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Rugby Direct - Episode 183 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 2: Alligant Smith with me Liam Napier.
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  Speaker 3: We reconvene once again in the Rugby Direct studio with
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks retaining the bleaters Low for a twenty
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  Speaker 3: third straight summer on the back of a thirty three
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  Speaker 3: twenty four win over the Wilby's at Eden Parker will
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  Speaker 3: get into that very shortly as well. We'll also wrap
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  Speaker 3: up the Black Ferns World Cup campaign, but let's get
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  Speaker 3: into bleeders Low first and foremost. Ligam your initial top
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  Speaker 3: line reactions to the All Blacks shaking off the Wallabies.
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  Speaker 2: At Eden park.
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  Speaker 4: I think we largely got what we expected Elliott, the
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  Speaker 4: bounce back, the response, but still questions lingering over this
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  Speaker 4: All Black team after that performance. Some inconsistencies within that game,
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  Speaker 4: blowing some big leads and I think we got what
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  Speaker 4: we expected from the Wallabies as well, highly competitive, they
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  Speaker 4: didn't go away. They've got a depth of character and
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  Speaker 4: resilience that they haven't had before. So a pressure relieving
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  Speaker 4: victory for the All Blacks, wasn't it coming off the
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  Speaker 4: darkest day? Perhaps a bit of a shred of light
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  Speaker 4: you bank the bledder is low, so the trophy cabinet's
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  Speaker 4: not entirely bere But yeah, I think more evidence is
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  Speaker 4: required before there's any form of conviction that we can
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  Speaker 4: definitively say that this All Black team is progressing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think the consistency is the issue, and we weren't
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  Speaker 3: going to answer that question on Saturday night at Eden
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  Speaker 3: Park because for consistency you need to bank wins back
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  Speaker 3: to back to back and we won't really be able
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  Speaker 3: to judge that, or at least leave the current turned
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  Speaker 3: a corner until probably the end of the season, if
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  Speaker 3: indeed that is the case. So well, I think the
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  Speaker 3: All Blacks did well though was Their attacking shape looked
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  Speaker 3: a lot better against the Australians. They were able to
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  Speaker 3: bend the line a little bit better, but most of
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  Speaker 3: that came from the man wearing the number nine jersey
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  Speaker 3: cam Reyguard. Now we've just got back from the airport
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  Speaker 3: and heard from Jason Ryan who described him as phenomenal.
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  Speaker 3: That performance last night. It showed what a difference he
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  Speaker 3: can make to this All Blacks team. And to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: head and shoulders, he is around the half back role
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  Speaker 3: for this All Blacks team at the moment. He sparked
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  Speaker 3: everything last night, or a lot of their attack at
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  Speaker 3: the very least, his snipes around the ruck, his defense
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  Speaker 3: is ball carrying.
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  Speaker 2: It was just a sublime performance. It wasn't even perfect.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't you know.
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  Speaker 3: He was a couple of errand box kicks. There was
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  Speaker 3: a knock on at one point, but by and large
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  Speaker 3: and he was the beating heart of that All Blacks attack.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, And I think we've become accustomed in years
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  Speaker 4: gone by. Obviously Aaron Smith was superb, but he still
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  Speaker 4: played in an era largely where Dan Carter was there,
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  Speaker 4: where Richie McCall was there, and even in this era,
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  Speaker 4: it's more about your artist severe type characters. In terms
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  Speaker 4: of so you think about inspirational figures, it's largely been
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  Speaker 4: first fives and loose forwards. Well, cam Reguard has to
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  Speaker 4: be the most influential player in the All Black team,
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  Speaker 4: and he's played thirteen tests yea, a handful home, a
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  Speaker 4: handful of starts. But as you say, his hid and
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  Speaker 4: shoulders above and just his size, like he says, running game,
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  Speaker 4: his support lines, his boot. He not single handedly changed
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  Speaker 4: the shape of that attack, but he just made a
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  Speaker 4: massive difference because he holds those inside defenders. And it's
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  Speaker 4: certainly the best that we've seen that All Black attack
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  Speaker 4: this year. That they did have all the ball in
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  Speaker 4: that film, they scored three tries in the first twenty
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  Speaker 4: four minutes. They had a lot more space and freedom,
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  Speaker 4: they played with width, they largely kept the ball in hand,
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  Speaker 4: a lot less kicking I think than previous weeks.
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  Speaker 5: But the set piece was much better.
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  Speaker 4: It's not the same team the spring box to the Wallabies,
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  Speaker 4: but the set piece wasn't vastly improved and the high
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  Speaker 4: ballwork as well. So some big improvements, but yeah, some
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  Speaker 4: big concerns I think. And the way they blew leads
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  Speaker 4: and allowed the Wallabies to come back.
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  Speaker 3: At twenty points to three up, the All Blacks should
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  Speaker 3: kick on with it there, and they were up by
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  Speaker 3: that margin at twenty four minutes. As you say, and
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  Speaker 3: they didn't really and this is on the sniff test
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  Speaker 3: rather than me having any stats to back it up,
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  Speaker 3: but they didn't really see a lot of the ball
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  Speaker 3: for the last fifteen minutes of that first spell and
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  Speaker 3: Australia were able to get two tries out of it.
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  Speaker 3: What concerns me the most is that interior defense inside
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  Speaker 3: the twenty two when Australia able to build a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of pressure and they did well, I thought, just
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  Speaker 3: being able to gain a meet hero there and all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden they're in the twenty two and able
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  Speaker 3: to snipe and able to put some pressure on the
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  Speaker 3: All Blacks defense. So that's the worry for me is
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  Speaker 3: that the defense from the All Blacks still isn't right.
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  Speaker 3: They weren't able to squeeze the Wallabies, they weren't able
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  Speaker 3: to get defensive winds down that area of the park
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  Speaker 3: and when they got into the twenty two it was
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  Speaker 3: all I don't say easy, but it was fairly straightforward
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  Speaker 3: for the Wallabies to be able to get some points
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  Speaker 3: when they went down that into the park.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and similar they scored in similar ways. Australia were
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  Speaker 4: very deliberate in their directness around the ruck they hammered
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  Speaker 4: away there before sweeping wide, and that was clearly a
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  Speaker 4: tactic that joshmat or Mike Cron or someone had seen.
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  Speaker 4: They sucked in the All Blacks defenders and then they
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  Speaker 4: went a little bit wider and there's effectively no one there.
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  Speaker 4: It was all too easy when they did those get
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  Speaker 4: that pay in the All Blacks twenty two. I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to shine the light massively on the officials, but
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  Speaker 4: I think it's worth touching on. The Italian referee was
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  Speaker 4: a massive focal figure for the Wallabies in the second
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  Speaker 4: Test in the British and Irish Lions in Melbourne, so
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  Speaker 4: clearly there is a bit of anks to hang over
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  Speaker 4: from that, but he blew twenty five penalties. He was
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  Speaker 4: a massive influence and presence on this game.
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  Speaker 5: For me both ways.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking at some of those rock penalties and decisions
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  Speaker 4: and it's like wow, like what I think twenty five
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  Speaker 4: penalties generally is too much. You need to take a
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  Speaker 4: bit of a step back. But I do want to
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  Speaker 4: make the point that that's not the reason that Australia loss.
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  Speaker 4: Has been a lot of fallout from that across the
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  Speaker 4: ditch around Harry Potter's yellow card.
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  Speaker 5: I think the oblicks.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, the Wallabies conceded the last five or six penalties,
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  Speaker 4: so a lot of anks around that. For me, that's
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  Speaker 4: not reason the Wallabies los lost. Look at your start,
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  Speaker 4: look at other factors of the game. But I don't
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  Speaker 4: think he should be the referee should be getting such
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  Speaker 4: big time test matches when he's not performing on that stage.
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  Speaker 3: You know he's not and I don't. I think the
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  Speaker 3: big issue with me in PRT is that he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: seem to have a feel for the game, and that
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  Speaker 3: is an intangible but twenty five penalties, regardless of the
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  Speaker 3: amount of fringing, is too much and maybe he could
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  Speaker 3: have gone to the card pocket a little bit earlier
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  Speaker 3: to try and stuff some of that out, but he
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  Speaker 3: just didn't seem to have a lock on how the
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  Speaker 3: game was transpiring in front of him. And I felt
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  Speaker 3: this on a number of occasions now when Party has
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  Speaker 3: been refereeing, is that his first instinct is to blow
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  Speaker 3: his whistle rather than allow the teams to play. And
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  Speaker 3: I think he is one of a number of referees
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  Speaker 3: that have been elevated above their station far too early
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  Speaker 3: by World Rugby. It's a complicated game to referee at
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  Speaker 3: the moment Rugby and we could all use the rule
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  Speaker 3: book being you know, whittled down a little bit. But
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  Speaker 3: it seems like a really northern hemisphere approach to bring
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  Speaker 3: up these referees. And Nick Shekelly is another one who
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  Speaker 3: I just do not think is at international standard. I
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  Speaker 3: know he's got his fans up north, but to me,
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  Speaker 3: Parti and Alma Shekelly, it's almost like World Rugby are
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  Speaker 3: trying to tick a box and go We're helping out
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  Speaker 3: George and Rugby by getting this refere on the world stage. Well, simply,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he's up to it, and I think
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  Speaker 3: Party needs to take a step back. There are a
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  Speaker 3: number of good referees around the globe. Luke Pearce seems
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  Speaker 3: to have fallen off the face of the earth. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure what that's about the English reef, so I
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  Speaker 3: think Joel Jute needs to take a week step back.
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  Speaker 3: There needs to be some sort of pathway change around that,
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  Speaker 3: because there are too many referees being elevated too early.
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  Speaker 3: Having said that, I agree with you that that wasn't
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  Speaker 3: the referee the reason the Wallaby's lost last night thirty
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  Speaker 3: six miss tackles to the All Blacks eleven James Economissing
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  Speaker 3: touch on two occasions.
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  Speaker 4: Three was it ye kick the ball out on the
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  Speaker 4: fall from another restart.
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  Speaker 3: That is the reason why the Wallabies lost last night,
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  Speaker 3: and in fact, they weren't really able to play in
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  Speaker 3: the areas of the ground that they wanted to often enough.
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  Speaker 3: I thought they'll pin back in the All Blacks territory
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  Speaker 3: for for long passages of the game. As I said before,
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  Speaker 3: when they did get into the All Black staff, they
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  Speaker 3: looked dangerous, but they just didn't play in the right
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  Speaker 3: areas of the park and with the ball for long enough.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I saw a colleague, Sam Bruce of
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  Speaker 3: ESPN who we had on the pod, well we're on
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  Speaker 3: his pod last year suggesting he thought the Wallabies played
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  Speaker 3: most of the rugby. I don't think they did. I
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  Speaker 3: think the All Blacks played most of it. The Wallabies
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  Speaker 3: took their chances when they had them, but I felt
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  Speaker 3: like the All Blacks dictated things. And that goes back
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  Speaker 3: to the fact when the All Blacks are twenty two
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  Speaker 3: points to three up, they really should have kicked on
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  Speaker 3: and being ruthless, and that was a word that came
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  Speaker 3: out from Ardie Savia in the post match media conference
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  Speaker 3: is they need to be ruthless. They need to be
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  Speaker 3: when they're twenty points to three up, even if you
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  Speaker 3: don't score any more points in the half, you get
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  Speaker 3: some stops, you make some big tackles, you make those
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  Speaker 3: moments and you go into the break at twenty points
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  Speaker 3: to three or even twenty points eight or ten up
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  Speaker 3: at a half time. Different game from that point. But
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  Speaker 3: they are putting themselves under a little bit more pressian
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  Speaker 3: They probably need to at the moment, the All.
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  Speaker 4: Blacks they are and look, it's hard because there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of positives to take out of that game. We
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  Speaker 4: touched on Cam Roy guard Cody tay Tylor was a
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  Speaker 4: massive influence coming back. I thought Jordi Barrett probably had
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  Speaker 4: his best test this year. Wallace to Tt and Will
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  Speaker 4: Jordan were prominent with ball in hands. So the All
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  Speaker 4: Blacks did a lot of things well. But then it's
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  Speaker 4: just that lack of conviction, whether it's a mentality thing,
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  Speaker 4: clocking off and allowing the Wallabies to come back and
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  Speaker 4: get it within three points at halftime and not finding
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  Speaker 4: a way through those momentum swings, not having a big
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  Speaker 4: time player stand up and you can look for a
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  Speaker 4: few excuses because there were a number of disruptions to
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  Speaker 4: the All Blacks. They finished that game with Quinte Pyre
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  Speaker 4: on the wing. Another positive was a bench Patrick Tuopolo
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  Speaker 4: to Samasoni Takyajo and well Quinte Pie and Peter Lucky
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  Speaker 4: I thought made a real impact when they came on.
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  Speaker 4: But it's still patchy and that's what we've seen consistently
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  Speaker 4: from this All Black team throughout this Rugby Championship and
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  Speaker 4: even going back to last year. They finished the Raby
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  Speaker 4: champions with a fifty percent record and that's where they're
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  Speaker 4: potentially hitting now. So have they improved at all under
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  Speaker 4: Robinson at this point, I don't think you could say they.
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  Speaker 2: Could they No, No.
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  Speaker 3: I think at the back end of last year, I
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  Speaker 3: think there were signs. Yes, they lost to France, but
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  Speaker 3: it felt like with that England win which was built
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  Speaker 3: on some some real toughness and really not playing that
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  Speaker 3: well but still emerging with the win Ireland, the best
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  Speaker 3: test of the year dropped against France. You know, at
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  Speaker 3: started to France and then a poor performance against Italy,
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  Speaker 3: but it felt like they were making some shifts and
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  Speaker 3: then obviously took a big steps backward against Argentina and
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  Speaker 3: again that big loss against South Afy a couple of
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  Speaker 3: weeks ago. So they're not stagnant necessarily.
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  Speaker 4: But the body of work is not there to say,
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  Speaker 4: here's the incremental improvements, here's the back to back performances,
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  Speaker 4: here's the long instances within games or when they're under pressure,
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  Speaker 4: they're responding that body of work is not there.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: And again when it got back to twenty six to
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  Speaker 3: twenty four, it felt like, and look, everyone's got a
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  Speaker 3: different perspective on how the game unfolds, but you kept
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  Speaker 3: waiting for the All Blacks to crack that game open,
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  Speaker 3: whether it was before half time and they're already up
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  Speaker 3: twenty points to three, but just to put the foot
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  Speaker 3: on the throat. Then again after halftime, you know, twenty
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  Speaker 3: to seventeen after the break, Yes, I put a couple
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  Speaker 3: of penalties on the board, but didn't feel really like
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  Speaker 3: Australia had earned getting back to twenty six to twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: I mean then the greatest respectcause it felt like the
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  Speaker 3: All Blacks are playing most of the rugby. But therein
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  Speaker 3: lies the problem is that the All Blacks have played
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  Speaker 3: most of the rugby, but weren't getting their rewards and
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  Speaker 3: that had the door open to Australia to potentially come
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  Speaker 3: through and steal the game.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. One area Shirlia did well was disrupt the All
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  Speaker 4: Blecks breakdown. Frase mcwright, Harry Wilson Hooper, Nick Frost. I
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  Speaker 4: thought that the Wallabies full pack really disrupted and competed
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  Speaker 4: well at the breakdown and that's where they actually got
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  Speaker 4: a lot of pay. That's how they came back into
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  Speaker 4: the game. So that'll be a massive area of focus.
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  Speaker 4: The All Bleck's ball carrying was good at times, but
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  Speaker 4: I thought they're cleaners, lacked a bit of urgency and
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  Speaker 4: body heights. Ye, so I think Australia tick for them
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  Speaker 4: won the area of the game. But by and large,
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  Speaker 4: the All Blacks had a lot of a lot of territory,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of front foot possession, and it's that ruthlessness
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  Speaker 4: to put teams away when you have that dominance. And
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  Speaker 4: we've seen teams throughout this Rugby Championship score points quickly
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  Speaker 4: when they have that momentum, and the All Blecks did
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  Speaker 4: that and patches, but then they buttoned off and it's
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  Speaker 4: it's that area that of conviction, of ruthlessness that this
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  Speaker 4: All Black team is yet to convince, and Artie Severe
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  Speaker 4: spoke to that, I think very well postmatch he said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we need to be hard on ourselves. We
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  Speaker 4: need to help hold ourselves accountable because effectively, what he's
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  Speaker 4: saying is this isn't the benchmark.
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  Speaker 5: We need to be better. We need to improve, and
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  Speaker 5: that's very evident.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 3: So you touched up before Bodenbartt goes off early in
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  Speaker 3: the game. Relatively speaking, they also lose Ethan to Grootz
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  Speaker 3: and then Caleb Clarke goes off injured. But in terms
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  Speaker 3: of Boden Barrett, how much of an influence is his
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  Speaker 3: loss because he's not going to be going to Perth.
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  Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie, you would suspect will start at ten, but
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  Speaker 3: as we look forward now it's a big loss for
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks.
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  Speaker 2: But McKenzie, you know, no stranger to filling that ten jersey.
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  Speaker 5: He's not, but he is this year.
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  Speaker 4: He's a one test at ten in Hamilton when there
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  Speaker 4: was a rafter changes and it didn't go very well.
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  Speaker 4: I think McKenzie is a different player. He's an accomplished
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  Speaker 4: ten certainly at tests at super rugby level. He guided
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  Speaker 4: the All Blacks in their best performance of last year
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  Speaker 4: against Ireland in Dublin, so I think he will take
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  Speaker 4: a lot of confidence from that. He's the best goalkicker
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  Speaker 4: by quite some distance, so that helps as well. He
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  Speaker 4: I think he challenges the line, digs into the line
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  Speaker 4: a lot more than Boden, so that could help their attack.
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  Speaker 5: But I think he still has.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know whether it's flightiness or a brain explosion,
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  Speaker 4: but he has a mistake in them or a rash moment,
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  Speaker 4: so that's a bit of a concern. And it did
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  Speaker 4: feel like the All Blacks attack wasn't quite as sharp
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  Speaker 4: when he went off, and I don't know whether other
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  Speaker 4: factors are at play there potentially, but it is a
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  Speaker 4: big opportunity for him because a bone better.
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  Speaker 5: We don't know yet, has to have scans.
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  Speaker 4: AC shoulder injuries without surgery can be anywhere from two
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  Speaker 4: to twelve weeks, so who knows how long bon is
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  Speaker 4: going to be sidelined. They haven't called in anyone for
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  Speaker 4: Perth this week, and you think that's a bit of
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  Speaker 4: a risk.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a big risk. Look, it's one flight
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  Speaker 3: and you know it's what's seven and a half hours
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  Speaker 3: to get there, but they've left here. We're recording this
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday. They're not taking any cover. They'll train on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: If Damian McKenzie rolls an ankle or does his knee
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  Speaker 3: or what. You don't wish that on them, Robin Love
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  Speaker 3: for that matter, then by that point you fly someone over,
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  Speaker 3: it's probably first until they train, they probably don't even play.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a risk, not just to have an
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  Speaker 3: extra body there. And yes, you know someone coming in
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  Speaker 3: fresh and cold may not know the calls necessarily, but
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  Speaker 3: surely they're better to have some ten cover because what
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  Speaker 3: is the case if McKenzie goes down Rebon Love obviously starts,
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  Speaker 3: But where does your teen cover come from the bench?
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  Speaker 3: Do you look to Jordi Barrett who had one test
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  Speaker 3: at ten and it's probably the next natural playmaker and
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: the team you know hasn't played ten and six years
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: and there was only a one off against Aamibia. You
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: look to a cam Roygard potentially to slide out to
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: ten with Christy and Ratama the I mean, it's worst
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: case scenario thinking, but I'm surprised that they haven't. You
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: handed Josh Jacob or someone a plane tick and see
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: come with us to Perth, even if they ended up
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: sitting in the stands for a week for the game.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Brother, Yeah, I think it's it is a resp because
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: every squad usually has three tens, three half backs, three hookers.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: They very specialized positions. Del Blecks have called in Tavita
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Mafialo as covered for Ethan the group. Now that's largely
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: for a posed scrummaging I think. And also Elie Norris
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: is back Andrew been listed as injured in recent weeks,
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: so maybe they're down on loose head props there. But yeah,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't want to be going into attest a couple
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: of days out having flown someone over. You could argue
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: perhaps James O'Connor's performance was affected by flying all the
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: way from Europe arriving on the Monday. I don't know
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: where they're necessarily affected as kicking, but it is a
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: long way to travel and it is disruption, So yeah,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know why they're not erring on the side
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: of caution and calling in in a Josh Jacob.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: To provide Scott Barrett will be sis during the week
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: hat of Clark as well with an ankle indrets or him.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Golf will be assessed as well as the week goes on.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: So if we look at this from an All Blacks
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: team perspective, they're going to have to replace McKinsey with
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Barrett Sorry vice versa degree will be out and you'd
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: suspect this might be to Mighty Williams first start of
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: the season since he's come back. You see there being
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: too many other changes, you know, Barrett Vye injuries pinned
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: in Caleb Clark as well.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know whether Caleb Clark plays. I don't
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: know how bad it is. He told us at the
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: airport today is feeling a lot better than last night's
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: but it's the same ankle he reinjured, So maybe they're
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: weerr on the side of caution. I thought he was
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: really good and his power carries. He terrorized Harry Potter.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: He was good in the air. If Caleb's out, there's
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: two options, really, isn't there, Lisa fining Anooku or Riko
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Ohanney and I'd go Lester. I think Ricco's had his
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: chance and didn't take it, And I think we need
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: to see Lester and Lester's probably seen more as a midfielder.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: He's spent basically two years in France playing midfield, so
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: maybe there's some concerns under the high ball.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: But you think about bringing him off the wing.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: He's a real power option and I don't think at
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: this stage you could replace Quinta Pyre off the bench.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: He's been very good in his contributions, very direct, powerful carries.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Taking his chance.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: So if you don't go Lester in the starting team,
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you can bring him onto the bench.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably a fair assumption. Billy Procter
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: at the center again, I thought it had a solid test,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: considered a penalty, and it's probably found defensively lacking. A
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: couple of times it felt like Leroy Carter has sort
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: of made some of the spot tackles that you'd probably
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: expect Proctor to make them in terms of getting so
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: elity and a guitar to ground. But it seems like
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: they are going to persist with Billy Proctor because, without
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: speaking too deeply to the all Blacks on this, it
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: does feel like the more opportunities they give them, the
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: more they believe it will click and things will get
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: into place, and it might just be something that clicks
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: into gear and it's a you know, Eureka moment, he's
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: got it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: There was that one frustrating rock penalty unnecessary, and yeah,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: a couple of distribution moments that went well for him,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: but it's still not clicking.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: But I agree.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I think they will stick with them, partly because they
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: are potentially going to have to make changes elsewhere. The
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: All Blacks were relatively confident that Scott Brott would return
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: next week, so maybe he comes straight in for two
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: per VI, but well, McKenzie coming in, potential change on
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: the on the left wing, change at loose heads.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: You have to make some changes to the bench.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think you want to be tinkering too much,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: given how important it is to register successive wins. But
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I think you could still say that that Billy hasn't
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: taken his chance. That was Bill Black's best attacking performance largely,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: and he still didn't really shine. You look at the
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: way Quinn impacted things when he's come on Jordi Barrett's
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: match winning moment again, and we just haven't seen enough
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: of Billy, particularly on attack, I think, and just on
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Leroy Carter I really like what he's done coming into
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Test rugby. He doesn't look overwards and those two tackles
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: on sauy Lee and Iktl completely punching above his weights,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: drawing on the seventh scene, and he's highly involved from
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: the wing. Goes looking for work, so does Sevu. But
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Sevu's just really erratic. You don't know what he's doing.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I think Leroy overplayed his hand when he got held up. Yeah,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: but he scored one. Try doing that, so I don't
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: think he could be too harsh on him having a crack.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: But I like the fact he goes looking for work
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: and the All Blacks are compensating for his height by
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: using Jordi Barrett in the backfield.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: I thought that that worked well. So I think he's
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: really taking his chance.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if He've been very impressed by him on both
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: sides of the park, left wing, right wing, and you
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: know not every wing can play both sides, but he's
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: shown that he can, and yeah, I think he's surely
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: going to play the third letters line looks to be
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: a real keeper for the All Blacks. And it's all
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: about taking your opportunities. I mean, you think back morning
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: another were injured in that Eden Park game squad an
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: early try I went off a few moments later. He
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: wont be back this week and maybe interviewed two is
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: more his time frame. But you know, things can change
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: pretty quickly in the All Blacks environment. Just in terms
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: of that big picture in the Rugby Championship, the spring
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Box overnight putting a real score on Argentina sixty seven
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: points to thirty. In terms of the overall standings, you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the boxer leading the way in the Rugby Championship by
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: just a point, but it is going to be potentially
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: decided who knows on points difference and in which case
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: the Springboks have got a massive head start there fifty
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: five plus too the All Blacks negative six, so you
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: know it's all to play for, and you know the
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Warbies could come through and sneak it the next weekend.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Argentina out of the record, but it's going to go
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: probably down to the wire. It's twicking them to decide
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: this Rugby Championship next weekend.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know this definitively because I remember a
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Rugby Championship I'd intended to test at Alice Park when
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: the Springbots had to score x amount of points to
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: win the Raby Championship. But somebody said today that this
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: is the tightest Raby Championship in history. It's certainly captivating
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: and it is going to come down to the wire.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: I can't see the All Blacks going to Perth and
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: getting a bonus point win. I think it will be
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: plus three tries.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: It is more difficult these days than I.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Think it's going to come down to a knife edge.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: I think the Wallabies are going to improve. They're on
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: home soil. They get Will Skelton back, Rob Valentini and
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: potentially Tom Liner as well. I saw the called and
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Josh Flick Fluke yep Fluke. I don't think he's a
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: big game changer. But maybe there's some injuries concerns in
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: their midfield. But they'll be stronger, particularly for having Skelton
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: back in that mix. So I'm nervous for the All
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Blacks and Perth and I can't see them going there
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: and getting a bonus points. So it's certainly the box
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Rugby Championship to lose. Yeah, And would that game being
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: at Twickenham.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah. If it was in Argentina. If they're going
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: to Buenos Aires, then it might be a different story.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: But let's see what Felippe countinpo me can magic up
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: when they go to London Town this week. Are all
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: to play for this weekend? Roll attack, quick break, come
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: back and wrap up the Black Ferns and their World
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Cup campaign Here on Rugby Directs.
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  Speaker 5: It's Rugby direct talks me.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: You're back with Rugby Directs and Black Ferns taking the
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: bronze medal at the Women's Rugby World Cup won by England,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: who were the tournament favorites. So comfortably against England this
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: morning ra against Canada this morning thirty fe three thirteen,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: the Black Funs beating France forty two to twenty six,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: but game was kind of done when they leave thirty
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: nine to seven. Look, those third fourth playoffs are tough
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: games to play. No one wants to be playing them.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: The Black Ferns pretty much did or you could ask
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: of them in terms of putting in a score. They
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: probably clicked off a little bit too early around the
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: hour mark and allowed France to get a wee sniff
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: and closer within thirteen or one stage. But I think
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: would you deem it a successful tournament liam on the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: on the basis of what we've seen for the Black Fans.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: No, No, I don't know. You can't they win in
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: as defending champions, and while that is.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Skewed, I think, you know, look, give them all the
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: credit they deserve for winning that final, but they were
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: up against a phenomenal English team who had been dominant
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: for or have been dominant for eight plus years, so
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: there's a bit of context around them in terms of
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: coming into this tournament. But I think you could have
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: deemed the tournament as success of the Black Ferns have
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: made the final, and I think what paints that more
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: starkly is the fact that Canada are largely still an
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: amateur program, and so for all the money and resource
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: that's been invested in the Black Ferns, I don't think
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: you've seen enough improvements from that team, and to lose
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: that semi final.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: It is extremely disappointing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Yes, great to bounce back and when the third and fourth,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: but I don't deem this tournament a success, And I
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: think when it comes time for the review that we
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: be serious questions asked about why they didn't make their final.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I think there are a number of factors.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: We did talk about a couple last week around where
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the Super Rugby or pick is preparing players adequately, don't
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: have a huge amount of answers for that. England's pumping
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: a lot of money into their women's premiership and not
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: many other unions in the world are able to one
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: match that or to even have the interest in doing that,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: and I think that creates is going to create some
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: issues over the next few years. And there's a lot
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: of candidate Canadian players at play in that English competition,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: so while their own pathways are not great and the
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: funding's not there, that's playing top quality games against a
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: lot of English players and worldwide players. But England at
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the moment are kind of dictating terms in women's rugby
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: and I don't see that changing or picky you know
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: link with Australia. Don't think that solves too many issues
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: around it. So you might get a few Black fans
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: going up and playing in that women's premiership on loan
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: or on sabbaticals, whatever it might be. But in terms
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: of just being battle hardened to be honest, I can
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: only see England getting better and better just because, as
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I said, their pathways are so elites. They've got a
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: lot of money poured in from the financial mic that
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: they have and again interest level wise from you know, Australia,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: other countries around the world don't think it's there for
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: the women's program.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: No, I totally agree.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: And yeah, that level of investments on the whole matters.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: It hasn't matter for Canada, but I think they are
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: the exception to the rule and you've got to really
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: praise them for what they've done and.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: To get to that stage.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: But I agree, I think England will get better and
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: better because of depth, because they are fully professional and
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: everything that comes with that that you wrap around your squads.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: So yeah, and also John Mitchell gets his first World
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Cup title.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: That's right, he had denied in two thousand and three
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: by stealing Wartlock.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Gets the chocolates this time again.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe the second coming, what is the second coming perhaps
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: of John Mitchell, who knows what he's up to next.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: You see Alan Bunting sticking around. I believe my understanding
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: is he's off contract with the Black Ferns. I'm not
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: sure whether he wants to seek or renewal or not.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: But today he's some changes the coaching set up for
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: that team.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, potentially I think they might.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: And the only hard thing is there's no obvious successor
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: that just stands out as the how.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Long is John Mitchell contracted for Eland rugby? Is time
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: to come home?
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Can you afford him?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well that's it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: There's not really any standouts, especially if you look for
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: a specialist women's coach that has been coaching a women's environments.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: You know, Willie Walker has done it with the Blues
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: women's side, Crystal Carl has left and gone overseas. From
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs, Whitney Hansen maybe potentially an option who's been
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: around Mutha Tu Blair Baxter coach Canterbury and Matter two
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: in their first Sea So it's not like there are
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: huge options from a New Zealand perspective standing up. But
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: whether there's anyone overseas you Canada's he coached all right,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: you look to He's going to be fascinating for New
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Zealand rugby. But I think this tournament has created a
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: lot of questions and it's been a successful tournament overall.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Full world rugby and the Women's World Cup, but I
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: feel this is the only market it could have been
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: successful in. New Zealand obviously embraced it in twenty twenty
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: two after that delay, but it's only in three stadiums
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: in the northern part of the country. As I've touched
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: on women's rugbies on the upwards traductory in the UK.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: In Australia in four years time, will it be embraced
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the same way?
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Don't know.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not sure that they got behind the woman's Football
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: World Cup in a big way, but football certainly has
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: a much bigger profile in Australia and it helps massively
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: when your national team is competitive, is going to progress,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: has a profile and you could argue Rugby Australia's.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Investments or priority in their women's.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Games actually lagged in recent years rather than pumping them up.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: So yeah, big test for the women's game and where
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: it stands to take outside of that market where it
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: is really really really well supported.
• 31:11
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• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Eliam myself will be in Perth counting down to the
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: second leathers low cup test, looking forward to that and
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: maybe a schooner or so and seeing a couple of quakers.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Rude, not too absolutely. What's the Australian fish but a
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• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what though, Yeah, yeah, what's the Western
• 31:39
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• 31:41
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