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Overtime! · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

0:00
SPEAKER_01: Hello, and welcome to another uh episode of Pittsburgh Sports Memor Memories.
0:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm your host, uh Steve Wharton.
0:07
SPEAKER_01: As usual, I'm joined uh with my co-host, Tim Hannon.
0:12
SPEAKER_01: And uh today the two of us are going to go over overtime.
0:17
SPEAKER_01: We're going into overtime.
0:19
SPEAKER_01: Uh Tim, are we getting paid time and a half for this?
0:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh maybe not.
0:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
0:25
SPEAKER_01: Time and a half on our regular salary of zero.
0:28
SPEAKER_00: What's zero times time and a half?
0:30
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
0:33
SPEAKER_01: So we're definitely where we're we're working overtime.
0:51
SPEAKER_01: So there it's obviously there's nothing more exciting than overtime.
0:54
SPEAKER_01: It's uh all online, especially in like playoff games.
0:57
SPEAKER_01: And all of a sudden, whether it's sudden death or uh just uh, you know, it comes out of nowhere.
1:02
SPEAKER_01: These endings seem to come out of nowhere.
1:04
SPEAKER_01: And so um, some of these games we've gone over maybe in the course of other episodes of our podcast, but this is just the overtime pause part.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: So we'll just do a short synopsis, kind of how we got here, and then we'll do um the moment, and um, we'll probably have a couple clips and then uh the aftermath of that moment.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: So um without further introduction, um, let's jump right into it.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: And the first overtime game is um now, not all these memories are this sad, but some of them are.
1:35
SPEAKER_01: This one's kind of I think a sad one.
1:37
SPEAKER_01: So um the Steelers Denver game, the Tim Tebow game.
1:42
SPEAKER_01: Um I didn't write down.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember what year that was, Tim?
1:45
SPEAKER_01: Was that 2000?
1:47
SPEAKER_00: It was it was twenty it was twenty eleven.
1:49
SPEAKER_00: I remember this because uh Tim Tebow just posted on his Facebook page or something not following him that it was the 10-year anniversary of this play just recently.
2:01
SPEAKER_00: Nice, nice.
2:02
SPEAKER_01: Well, um just a little background, the Steelers go 12 and 4, and um I think we covered this a little bit in the Denver, the Steelers Denver um like uh rivalry series.
2:13
SPEAKER_01: Um uh they have to play a road game in Denver without Ryan Clark because um you know Ryan Clark doesn't want well Ryan Clark wanted to play, but Dan Rooney being the wise, he's a good owner and just the general good person would not let him play because of his uh sickle cell disease, and it would be a bad look for uh the NFL and the Steelers in general if Ryan Clark died.
2:38
SPEAKER_01: So and it would be bad for Ryan Clark, too.
2:41
SPEAKER_01: So a lot a lot of reasons that Ryan Clark couldn't play this game.
2:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, nevertheless, uh the Broncos are eight and eight, but um they had home field, and you say, well, wait a minute, how's an 8-18 get home field over 12-4?
2:55
SPEAKER_01: It's due that the uh Steelers did not win their division, and the Broncos did, and the uh the that AFC West wasn't that strong that year.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: So um, so we'll fast forward to uh this wild card game.
3:08
SPEAKER_01: Um we're gonna go the Broncos had a 20-6 lead in the game, but the Steelers came uh all the way back and they had tied it um at the end of regulations with 23-23.
3:20
SPEAKER_01: Um and this is the first game to be played as a non-sudden death format for overtime, which is now, I guess, the way they have it now, where uh if you score a touchdown, it's sudden the game's over, but if you kick a field goal, it's not because you know Brett Favre can't be sent home like that.
3:38
SPEAKER_01: So um it it really doesn't matter because Tim Tim Tebow completes his uh tenth pass of the game, but this isn't overtime.
3:50
SPEAKER_01: So at that point, Tim Tebow had completed nine passes in uh in 60 minutes of football.
3:58
SPEAKER_01: Um he completed it to the uh late Demarius Thomas, and it goes for 80 yards in the game-winning touchdown.
4:05
SPEAKER_01: And uh here we'll uh go and listen to the couple of this.
4:12
SPEAKER_05: Tim Tebow gets his first chance, first pass, first play of the no overtime.
4:25
SPEAKER_10: touchdown wraps it up one and done John O and can't believe it.
4:33
SPEAKER_01: Um so as you can hear, uh the NFL primetime crew had a lot of fun at uh at kind of uh the Steelers' expense there.
4:41
SPEAKER_01: Uh I guess not not too much.
4:43
SPEAKER_01: They weren't like they were more celebrating Tim Tebow than than you know sticking it to the Steelers.
4:50
SPEAKER_01: So but it it still kind of sucks that like that's the way that game ended, and that Ryan Mundy got totally fooled chasing the ball on that.
5:00
SPEAKER_01: I mean it really wasn't Ike Taylor's fault.
5:03
SPEAKER_01: He really should have had safety help, but I don't know.
5:07
SPEAKER_01: That was um so that led to a lot of aftermath.
5:11
SPEAKER_01: So the aftermath is uh the Broncos went up to New England the next week.
5:16
SPEAKER_01: And um, gee, how do you think that worked out for them too?
5:20
SPEAKER_01: Oh well, yeah, so uh they got blown out, and um it just kind of proved that Tebow wasn't a very good NFL quarterback.
5:27
SPEAKER_01: Once again, he literally completed 10 passes.
5:30
SPEAKER_01: They kind of ran like that option offense.
5:32
SPEAKER_01: And uh actually after that, Tebow never really played in the NFL again.
5:38
SPEAKER_01: Really.
5:40
SPEAKER_01: So he went to a couple other teams and he kept trying to be a quarterback.
5:44
SPEAKER_01: I think at that point, if he would have switched right then to tight end, he probably he would have been the next Rob Gronkowski.
5:52
SPEAKER_01: I I really I still think that.
5:54
SPEAKER_01: I know like you know, this this this like last offseason where he's in Jacksonville, he looked pretty bad, but I think like you know, somebody would have given him more than like one off season to you know, have a chance to prove himself.
6:08
SPEAKER_01: And he would have been a lot younger and you know, just all that.
6:11
SPEAKER_01: I I really I really still think that Tebow would have been a really good tight end if he would have switched after this first year.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: But so the Broncos they go on and they get a real quarterback like uh some guy named Peyton Manning.
6:26
SPEAKER_01: And then once they get Peyton Manning, uh they win a Super Bowl and they made another Super Bowl appearance because they had a really good defense and uh uh I would that was kind of Peyton Manning.
6:36
SPEAKER_01: He was at the end, he's at the Ben the Ben now stage of his career of like 2022, you know, like where he's okay and can kind of get you a few passes, but you know, he's not gonna win you the game just by himself.
6:50
SPEAKER_01: So um the Steelers for their you know side of the story, uh they really haven't made the play they have made the playoffs, but they haven't really seen a lot of playoff success then.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: I think they've only really what'd you say that was 2011, 2012.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: So like what they've won two playoff games since then?
7:11
SPEAKER_01: Miami and Kansas City, that's it, right?
7:13
SPEAKER_00: The Cincinnati game, too.
7:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh, since so three, yeah.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: So they really haven't had a lot of success since that playoff game.
7:22
SPEAKER_00: So Yeah, we we talked like you said, we talked about it in that Denver episode.
7:27
SPEAKER_00: I I was that was disappointing because um I maintain to this day that they had a better team in 2011 than the team that made the Super Bowl in 2010.
7:37
SPEAKER_00: But they got injured, they had a ton of injuries coming into that game and during that game, and even if they would have pulled that out in overtime, they would have been kind of hosed for the next week.
7:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh but they also didn't have Ryan Clark, and like you you kind of alluded to, Steve, that ended up being the dagger on that final play, not having him at safety.
7:57
SPEAKER_00: So it is what it is.
7:59
SPEAKER_00: It it's it's dunk.
8:00
SPEAKER_00: Good for Tim Tebow, good for the late Demarius Thomas, but it it was not a good memory for Steel World fans.
8:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, well, shifting gears to a happier overtime moment.
8:13
SPEAKER_01: And uh we just covered this in our uh podcast on the winter classic.
8:17
SPEAKER_01: So the winter classic with Sidney Crosby.
8:19
SPEAKER_01: A quick background in 2008, the NHL decides to have a big event game to try and improve the visibility of the league.
8:25
SPEAKER_01: They put a game outside on New Year's Day.
8:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh, this is a day normally reserved for College Bowl games.
8:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, so what does the league do?
8:33
SPEAKER_01: They want to hype, of course, you want to hype your biggest young star at the time, Sidney Crosby.
8:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, the Penguins had sucked up to that point, not really.
8:42
SPEAKER_01: And they only they had made the playoffs the year before, but it gotten eliminated pretty handily in the first round.
8:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, the Sabres for their part, it was uh Buffalo and Pittsburgh in Buffalo and Ralph Wilson or whatever High Mark Stadium or whatever it's called this week.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what it was called back then.
9:00
SPEAKER_01: Um they uh they have uh Ryan Miller.
9:04
SPEAKER_01: Um they had lost Daniel Breer and a couple other players the year before.
9:08
SPEAKER_01: So um so going into overtime, the penguins scrolled really early, like in the first minute.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: And uh do you remember who first scored that first goal?
9:18
SPEAKER_01: You maybe it's fresh in your memory, everyone, right?
9:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's Colby Armstrong.
9:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: Who didn't know he scored in that scored in the winter classic?
9:26
SPEAKER_01: Um Buffalo scored to tie the game in the second period.
9:30
SPEAKER_01: The game stayed tied.
9:31
SPEAKER_01: The ice really was in bad shape.
9:33
SPEAKER_01: I remember in the third period, they'd stopped the game a couple times, like one of the Zam bonies got frozen.
9:39
SPEAKER_01: So um but uh Letang uh Ty Conklin made some really big saves in the shootout.
9:46
SPEAKER_01: And uh Letang, like this is like Letang's, I don't know if that's his like it's definitely early on in Chris Letang's career, but he uh took a shootout and he he made a he scored a big goal to keep it going because um I think the the uh sabers had scored a goal to take a lead.
10:04
SPEAKER_01: And so uh Ty Conklin like keeps us in, and then of course Sidney Crosby ends the game with a beautiful goal over Ryan Miller, which we'll listen to right here.
10:17
SPEAKER_11: One for five this year, eight for twenty-six like eight when it's sticks right here.
10:26
SPEAKER_11: score Penguins win.
10:32
SPEAKER_11: Snow flying in their faces as they celebrate as kids they might have done twenty years or so ago in a two-on-two game.
10:41
SPEAKER_01: This was not that and uh Doc Emerick, of course, is like awesome, so it's a great call.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: So Doc was awesome there, and that was a lot of fun.
10:57
SPEAKER_01: And it kind of like, like we said before, that kind of launched the Penguins' uh run of success.
11:04
SPEAKER_01: Even up to this year, yeah.
11:05
SPEAKER_01: They I mean they had a little lull there, and we'll go over that a little later in the podcast.
11:09
SPEAKER_01: But um the aftermath, Buffalo doesn't make the playoffs even with 90 points for the season.
11:14
SPEAKER_01: The Penns do make the cup finals, but they lose to the Red Wings.
11:19
SPEAKER_01: Um the NHL goes absolutely crazy with winter classic and stadium series outdoor games.
11:25
SPEAKER_01: They seem to have played them everywhere from Reno to I don't know, LA.
11:29
SPEAKER_01: And so who knows where they maybe they'll play one in Hawaii uh in a volcano next.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
11:35
SPEAKER_01: So um going back to uh disappointing Steelers overtime losses, uh boy the Steelers have a lot more disappointment over time and success, it seems.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
11:47
SPEAKER_01: Um Steelers uh versus Titans.
11:50
SPEAKER_01: The I call this the Joe Nedney game.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: This is from 2002.
11:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, so just the uh lead up.
11:56
SPEAKER_01: Tommy Maddox had a great year, and the Steelers made the divisional round of the playoffs against the Titans.
12:02
SPEAKER_01: They had a big comeback against Cleveland the week before.
12:05
SPEAKER_01: But um in this game, the Steelers and Titans they go to overtime, and the Titans line up for a short field goal.
12:11
SPEAKER_01: And uh Bill Cower, he calls a timeout, the fireworks go off.
12:15
SPEAKER_01: It's like a five-minute delay.
12:16
SPEAKER_01: It's like the best case scenario for like icing a kicker.
12:21
SPEAKER_01: So on the next attempt, Joe Nedney, who had made the practice attempt when they called the timeout, they he misses the kick.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: But for some reason, like Joe Dwayne Washington definitely like lightly bumped him, but like why would you even be within a yard of him?
12:37
SPEAKER_01: So like Nedney, I always felt kind of backed into him.
12:40
SPEAKER_01: Like, because like if you could see if you watch this replay, like Nedney turns around and literally leans into him, I think.
12:47
SPEAKER_01: But they call it they call it roughing the kicker or running into the kicker.
12:51
SPEAKER_01: No, I think they call roughing the kicker.
12:53
SPEAKER_01: And uh on the third attempt, he gets a third attempt after missing that one.
12:57
SPEAKER_01: If he would have missed that, the Steelers would have got the ball back on offense and maybe could have kicked the field goal.
13:02
SPEAKER_01: Since this was the old fashioned, you know uh overtime NFL overtime rules.
13:09
SPEAKER_01: Nobody cared about Tommy Maddox not getting the ball at overtime.
13:12
SPEAKER_01: So on the uh on the third attempt, Nedney nails the kick, and the Steelers season is over.
13:18
SPEAKER_01: So here's that uh process of events.
13:23
SPEAKER_03: One would guess Cower will spend a timeout here and let Nedney uh think about it.
13:28
SPEAKER_03: It will be a 31-yard attempt.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's Pittsburgh calling for a timeout.
13:34
SPEAKER_02: No play, no play.
13:36
SPEAKER_02: But he got a warm-up hit, which isn't all bad either.
13:41
SPEAKER_02: And he made it, and he made it look at Nedney left, yeah.
13:45
SPEAKER_02: The skyrocket guy.
13:46
SPEAKER_02: Hey boys, it didn't count.
13:49
SPEAKER_02: Now it's 16 foot at the other end.
13:52
SPEAKER_03: Unbelievable.
13:54
SPEAKER_03: Hydrotechnical prematurity.
14:04
SPEAKER_02: You know, we're laughing about this, but this this couldn't you couldn't ask for anything to make it tougher on Joe Nipponney than these fireworks going on.
14:14
SPEAKER_02: It's kind of funny for everybody else, but I don't think this is very funny for Joe Nippy.
14:19
SPEAKER_03: Well, here's his chance.
14:21
SPEAKER_03: They'll spot it again at the 21.
14:23
SPEAKER_03: The 31-yard field goal by Neddi to advance to the AFC Championship.
14:30
SPEAKER_10: No, knocking down.
14:33
SPEAKER_10: Nedney got rocked.
14:35
SPEAKER_03: Nedney misses, and then a penalty flag down where he kicked the ball.
14:40
SPEAKER_03: It's running into the kicker.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: Number 20.
14:44
SPEAKER_02: Defense.
14:45
SPEAKER_02: Five yards.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: If Joe Nedney doesn't hit this kick, Jeff Fisher is gonna have he's gonna be in a tough spot.
14:53
SPEAKER_04: He met six one and Tennessee advances to the championship game.
15:05
SPEAKER_02: You cost us a game by calling that penalty.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh, and Bill Cower is upset.
15:14
SPEAKER_01: So uh that's some really who was the who was the color guy.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: I recognize him, but I didn't deirdor.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: That was Deirdor.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's it.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: That was that was some Steeler hate there.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: Am I reading into that, Tim?
15:25
SPEAKER_01: Or he was way too excited that Nedne got rough.
15:29
SPEAKER_01: And he was really mad that Nedy had to kick it a third time.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: I didn't I didn't realize that even when I listened to it the first time.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: Just listen to it just now.
15:35
SPEAKER_01: I was like, wow, that was some uh classic Steeler.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: He was really excited, and then uh you couldn't see obviously you can't see it because it's not a visual, but Cower ran and got in like the referee's face, and uh that was Ferrier there, had to pull him away.
15:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: And Cower had a right to be upset.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: It was a it was a tikky tack call because Washington dove and Nedney, like you said, kind of almost fell into him.
15:59
SPEAKER_00: I think Nedney even joked about like he said I'm a boxer.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: I mean he turns around.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: He literally turns around and leans into him in my now it's Washington's fault for being there.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: It is, but like at the same time, like okay, so I'm a kicker and I miss a kick.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm finding a defensive player and running into him.
16:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it it's a ticky-tack call to to have the whole season ride on you making that call.
16:27
SPEAKER_00: But to your point, Steve, like Dwayne Washington wasn't gonna block that kick.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: I like I hate that.
16:33
SPEAKER_00: Like we the Stewart's, I was a there was a game a couple years ago where they lost a game to the Chargers the same way.
16:39
SPEAKER_00: Do you remember that?
16:39
SPEAKER_00: It was like the it was the it wasn't overtime, but it was the interregulation where the Chargers missed the the game-winning field goal, but we hit we ran into the kicker because or we were off sides, I think, actually.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: It was offsides.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: But it's like you're not gonna block the kick.
16:52
SPEAKER_00: He's either gonna make it or he's gonna miss it.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: And if you're gonna block it, you're definitely not gonna do it coming off the edge.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: No, it's always up the middle.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:00
SPEAKER_01: And you can't jump.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: You can't like remember people used to get a running start and jump over the block.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: You can't do any of that anymore, yeah.
17:07
SPEAKER_00: So just let him kick.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: And like he missed.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, so so Tiki Tac call, I get my cow revs upset, but I still think that's on Dwayne because just in the Steelers, the way that game was going, it was it was what, 34-34 in overtime, Steve?
17:22
SPEAKER_00: I think.
17:25
SPEAKER_01: That was the game like Jeff Reed had kicked like a bunch of field goals that barely went through, if I remember correctly.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: They went through, but they weren't confidence inspiring, that's for sure.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, the way the the way that game was going, it was gonna be last team with the ball wins.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: Or or in the case of overtime, the team that won the coin toss was gonna win.
17:43
unknown: Yeah.
17:43
SPEAKER_00: So if if he misses that kick, I really think the Steelers would have driven down the field and won the game.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: So it just it hurt.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, the Steelers weren't great that year.
17:53
SPEAKER_00: They had a terrible defense, but they had this like Tommy Maddox-inspired, you know, score 30 points every game offense, and and who knows?
18:02
SPEAKER_00: Who knows what would happen.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the team that won the Super Bowl that year was Tampa Bay, and the Steelers had shut them down like three weeks before that, uh, in Tampa, so who knows?
18:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, see, you're getting into the the good aftermath there.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the Steelers um actually uh the Titans went on in uh what they they they beat, they lost to the Raiders, and it was the Raiders played Tampa Bay in the Gruden Bowl, and Bill Callahan didn't change any of his signals or anything, so John Gruden knows exactly like it wasn't even you can't even call it spy gate because like I mean uh it's like John Gruden coached the Raider.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean, what are you supposed to do?
18:41
SPEAKER_01: Like you would think if you like once again, like if I'm going that situation, I literally keep everything the same except for like one or two calls, and then just the key moments change those calls just a little bit, you know?
18:53
SPEAKER_01: But that's neither here nor there, and that's the Raiders' problem.
18:58
SPEAKER_01: But uh the Steelers don't go to the playoffs for a couple years until they draft uh, I don't know, some quarterback from Ohio named I don't know, Rothless Berger.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: I don't know who this guy is.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: Who knows if he'll ever be any good, you know.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: That Super Bowl, Super Bowl 37.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: I always thought that that's it, that would make a good documentary because uh Tim Brown actually came out at one point and said he thought Bill Callahan had this feud with Al Davis, and he he wondered openly, publicly if Bill Callahan did that on purpose.
19:34
SPEAKER_00: Just threw the Super Bowl.
19:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, basically, I mean I I I doubt it, but I I would love to see someone just do a documentary delving into the conspiracy side of that because John Lynch said that they knew their plays, yeah.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: Like like if you watch the highlights, they're like silver, silver, and it's like John Lynch is like, okay, he's gonna run a slant.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: It's like holy crap.
19:54
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: It's like Right.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you were gonna if you were Bill Callahan and you were gonna throw that game, the easiest way to do it without tipping off because you can't you if you're the head coach, you couldn't do that by yourself.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: You would need all the players on board.
20:07
SPEAKER_00: So the easiest way to do that would be to not change any of the calls against your former against the former coach.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: So I I don't think that's what happened.
20:16
SPEAKER_00: I just on record saying I don't think that's what happened, but I would love to see like somebody explore that conspiracy theory and you know put all the evidence up on it.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: Like I said, you don't have to change every call.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: Like if you just change like two or three key calls, it totally like now they're not gonna believe anything, you know what I mean?
20:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: Like you don't have to change your whole offense, just change it at like a on a key third down, like okay, this key third down, we're doing the opposite, or so you know, instead of saying it run a go, and like they're sitting on a slant, you're gonna get their seven points right there easily, and now John Lynch can't jump every route, you know?
20:54
SPEAKER_01: Or Dexter Jackson, I guess.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: Dexter Jackson was really the recipient of all this.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: He but he ended up signing for huge money, and he never did anything after that Super Bowl.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Bill Callahan did not was not a good thing for their franchise, but uh again, it's the raid like you said, it's the Raiders, who cares?
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Screw them.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: You know what?
21:15
SPEAKER_01: I I have a secret confession here, and this is like, you know, ooh, don't tell anybody, even though I'm telling everybody.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: I I love the Raiders.
21:24
SPEAKER_01: They're my second favorite team.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: Because you and you know why?
21:28
SPEAKER_01: Have I ever told you why I like the Raiders, Tim?
21:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh, because you want to get a lot of angry emails after this podcast?
21:36
SPEAKER_01: Because they're pure unadulterated evil.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: And we you just don't get to see, and they don't care.
21:42
SPEAKER_01: They don't they're not like New England who's evil but tries to pretend to be good.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: No, they're just they're just the bad guys.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: They're the bad guys, and you know they're the bad guys, and they're gonna be the bad guys.
21:53
SPEAKER_01: That's what they are.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: Silver and black, just win, baby.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: The Raider Rules cheat is what raider.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Raider Roll one is cheat.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: Raider Roll two, if you're not cheating, you're not trying.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: I I I totally respect that.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: I totally respect that's why I respect them way more than the Patriots.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: So I hey, just win, baby.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: Well, I will say that uh the the they did put the Steelers into the playoffs this season, so I think a lot of people are not as hateful of the Raiders, maybe, at the at the current moment.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you gotta root for the bad guy.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: I mean, hey yeah.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: But switching gears to a uh game that probably me and nobody else remember.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: Uh I mean I'm probably the only one that mem remembers this.
22:40
SPEAKER_01: Um we're going to uh USL Soccer, which if you said, what the heck is that?
22:46
SPEAKER_01: That would be the soccer league of the United States.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: That's the second.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: It's like the I don't know, the second league.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: If MLS is the top league, this is the next league.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: And this would be the Bethlehem Steel and the Pittsburgh Riverhounds.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: And I was actually at this game.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: I attended this game.
23:02
SPEAKER_01: And the reason that it's weird is because like they went to six shooters into the shootout.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: They had this game.
23:09
SPEAKER_01: So the background there, the Riverhounds play in the USL, which is the second league, and the Riverhounds, they make the playoffs after they they had missed some time, but they hired this guy, this coach, and he's still the coach of there, Bob Lilly, who's like a legend at this level of soccer.
23:23
SPEAKER_01: He's a very he's won the whatever title I I guess they call it a USL championship title, but he's won there.
23:31
SPEAKER_01: But um, so Bethlehem Steele is the minor league team for the MLS team, the Philadelphia Union.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, the gay goes to overtime after a goal by Ben Zabanski.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: Um the uh the Hounds can't hold the lead.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: Bethlehem ties it in the 74th minute.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: In overtime in the 94th minute, the Riverhounds score, but because they don't play sudden death, they have to play like another 15 minutes.
23:59
SPEAKER_01: And so in the next, oh they play two 15-minute over.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: So in the next 15-minute overtime in the 108th minute on a free kick, and I remember that was it was probably kind of the top of the penalty area, which is like really tough to stop.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: This guy, uh uh Santee Moore, he scored to tie the game, and he literally banked it off the the post, the side post, and went in.
24:22
SPEAKER_01: It was a pretty impressive kick.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: So they go to a shootout, and this is where it gets weird, is like there's literally five, all five shooters score for each team.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: Like, neither goalie, like, and the shootout was so great, like the it wasn't even like close upper corner.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: It was just like literally line up and kick the ball and it went in the net.
24:44
SPEAKER_01: And so it was literally gonna come down to who missed a kick.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, like it got down to like like when you you can't like it's not like hockey.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: Like, remember like uh Balsma kept sending like uh what's his name, the one guy from the Capitals just to keep doing his shootout.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: You have to go through your whole roster of players before you can repeat.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: So they got down to like some defensive player, the guy misses, and that's how Bethlehem wins.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: It's just a weird because I've never seen a game, like I've watched enough soccer now, like I've never seen a game go like six or seven shooters like that before.
25:20
SPEAKER_01: But hey, minor league saw it was a playoff, and that's how their season ended.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: So another kind of disappointing overtime sports moment for Pittsburgh.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: Um although I'm the aftermath, Bob Lilly, he had great success, and they uh they've made the playoffs every year since that.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: And uh unfortunately this year, due to a COVID outbreak, um, that cost them their season.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: They literally like it was weird.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: They just like the league was like, nope, you're eliminated, you forfeit.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: So good uh bad for bad for the Riverhounds there.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh Bethlehem Steel to their uh they actually moved out of Bethlehem and they they moved to the uh Chester, Pennsylvania, which is a suburb of Philadelphia.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: I guess it just they moved closer to the Philadelphia Union team.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: So um, hey, they have that going for them.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Um we'll have a link to that if you want to watch.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: It's it's a rather lengthy clip, but um you can watch the whole shootout and stuff if you're that into soccer, but that's just one of the weirder sock soccer things I've ever seen.
26:20
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, soccer shootouts are uh can be wild because it's it's um kind of easy to score.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: Like that's that's a problem, and and not like hockey where you know you could have a bunch of guys get stopped in a row or a bunch of guys score in a row.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, for it to go that long, that's pretty crazy.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think too, because yeah at this level the goalie like the goalie actually was a kid from pit.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: So and he really wasn't he what it wasn't even close to him.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: It was like it wasn't like oh it just grazed off his finger, like he do, like he literally was diving the wrong way, or he'd dive like two seconds too late.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: Like it was it was ugly, and the other goalie wasn't much better, like it was it was bad.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: But um, well, moving back to American football, um the Steelers versus Atlanta.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: Uh, once again, it's 2002, the Tommy Maddox season.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: And this game, this guess what?
27:20
SPEAKER_01: The Steelers don't lose this game, Tim.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: Yay! Do they win though?
27:27
SPEAKER_01: No.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: So um the background to this is Cordell Stewart got benched.
27:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's the Tommy gun offense.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: Tommy Maddox is the quarterback, and the Steelers, like we said, are scoring points at will, but unfortunately, the defense gives up points as quick as the offense scores them.
27:43
SPEAKER_01: Um, Atlanta has this guy named Michael Vick, and it's Michael Vick in his prime, so he's really tough to stop.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: So the game goes to overtime.
27:53
SPEAKER_01: Vick rallies the Falcons from seven point 17 points down in the fourth quarter.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: And after this offensive explosive explosion, you figure, you know, somebody would score in the overtime.
28:05
SPEAKER_01: The offensives actually went silent and the scores stayed tied.
28:09
SPEAKER_01: And there was a wild sequence to end the game with two minutes left in overtime.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: Maddox throws an interception.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: And the the Falcons like 2002.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: So I guess it's still early on in Heinz Field.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: People hadn't, I don't know, was Reeves still the coach?
28:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess Dan Reeves was still, it might have been Dan Reeves who's still the coach.
28:27
SPEAKER_01: The late, you know, boy, another the late Dan Reeves.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: Like he tried a 56-yard field goal, which was just impossible back, especially back then in Heinz Field.
28:38
SPEAKER_01: And uh until they miss, but they give like the Steelers great field position, and they try to hail Mary to Plexigo Burris, and he unfortunately he's tackled short of the end zone.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: Um I we have some uh audio from this.
28:51
SPEAKER_04: It's time for one hail marriage.
28:53
SPEAKER_04: One second on the clock.
28:55
SPEAKER_04: Atlanta is five men deep and putting one pillar.
28:58
SPEAKER_04: Maddox lets it fly.
29:00
SPEAKER_04: All the way down field.
29:02
SPEAKER_04: And it was caught.
29:04
SPEAKER_04: It's caught on one.
29:06
SPEAKER_04: There's no time, the game's over, home.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, that's definitely one of the crazier ties in NFL history.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, Vic goes to an NFC championship game, but he derails his career with the off-the-field issues.
29:23
SPEAKER_01: Um, it's one of the few times Bill Coward didn't win a game, he was leading by 10 or more points.
29:28
SPEAKER_01: He's kind of like, who's that owes?
29:30
SPEAKER_01: The Sean McVeigh, the coach of the Rams.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: Like if he's leading at like the half, like he almost always wins.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, he's kind of got like that Sean McVeigh thing going.
29:40
SPEAKER_01: Um the Steelers, like we already covered, they go on to beat Cleveland and they lose an OT at Tennessee.
29:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then once again, Maddox kind of hangs around until, I don't know, some some guy from Ohio, Miami of Ohio, comes in and replaces him.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that was a crazy game.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: That was that was Michael Vick and his and his like at his apex of being you know really unstoppable.
30:03
SPEAKER_00: Um and like you said, probably the craziest thing about that game was you know, everybody's scoring a boatload of points, and then it goes to overtime and nobody can score.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: Like that that's I think that was the weirdest thing about that game.
30:15
SPEAKER_00: It was it was kind of ironic.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh and then and then for the game to end on the one-yard line on a Hail Mary.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: Definitely, definitely a memorable game.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's dunked that it and that the Steelers didn't win, but I mean they also didn't lose.
30:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's definitely a memorable game in Steel War history.
30:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it's just like you know, normally like it get like a Hail Mary gets knocked down or tipped around and then hits the ground.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: But no, this one uh he completed it, but it didn't it didn't count for anything for passing yards.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: That's the only thing it and reception for plexico, so um going back to college football, um I kind of have this I call it the Pit BC trilogy, and these are the 2002, 2004, and 2020 games, and all these games went to overtime.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: So uh we'll run through these.
31:09
SPEAKER_01: Um in 2002, Pitt won on an overtime kick.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, this is a game featuring Super Bowl winning Steeler backup quarterbacks, that of uh being Brian St.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: Pierre and Rod Rutherford, if anybody remembers them besides the Brian St.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: Pierre impersonator guy.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: I don't think anybody tried to impersonate Rod Rutherford, but um it was like what a weird game too.
31:34
SPEAKER_01: Like I think I've talked about this before.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: Everybody left with like two minutes to go.
31:38
SPEAKER_01: Like I think uh Pitt had punted and there was still like two or three minutes left, but Pitt had all three timeouts, and Pitt got the ball back and drove down to kick a game-tying field goal.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: And like it seemed like once that once the game went to overtime, everybody that had left came back to their seats.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if they were just like sitting out in the great hall kind of watching the TV monitors to see if they can get a head start on the your rush or what, but um just some notes, like I forgot about this guy, David Abdul.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: He was the kicker for Pitt that year, and he actually after that had some uh he had some tough luck.
32:15
SPEAKER_01: He he ended up kicking the game-winning field goal after Pitt Pitt totally um stuffed um BC in their half.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: No, and uh Pitt got the ball first, and they kicked David Abdul kicked like a 40-yard field goal, and then in BC got the ball second, and then their overtime.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: I think Pitt partially blocked the field goal or something, and it didn't go through, so Pitt won.
32:40
SPEAKER_01: But um David Abdul had some definitely some tough luck.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: Um his friend Billy Gaines, I don't know if anybody remembers this, had died in front of him in a fall of the church.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: And the reason they were staying at that church to begin with is because their the apartment that they had been staying at had burned down, so they had to have temporary housing in this church.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: And so um, and then later that year, he actually, David Abdul, after all that, his apartment burning down, his best friend dying in front of him, he actually hold his friend until the paramedics showed up.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: It was very traumatic.
33:12
SPEAKER_01: He broke his leg in a uh car accident and so and it was kicking, it was a kicking leg, so he was never really quite the same after that.
33:21
SPEAKER_01: And um for all that, uh as for the rest of that season, uh Pitt went on to win the insight.com bowl.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think insight.com is still around.
33:30
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it is, but um and the highlight of the insight.com bowl that year was uh fantastic catch by Larry Fitzgerald, which is just an awesome highlight.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: Maybe we'll put that in the links.
33:45
SPEAKER_01: Um so moving on to 2004.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: I think we I covered this in the Walt Harris season, um, pit 20 BC 17.
33:52
SPEAKER_01: It was a crazy game and a crazy season.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: Um here we got with this Tyler Palco ran over a BC safety in this game.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: Here we'll play the uh clip of that.
34:02
SPEAKER_10: Here's a fleet flicker.
34:05
SPEAKER_10: Herman back to Palco, and Palko delivers the big hit.
34:11
SPEAKER_10: Peter Sheehan just got knocked over by the quarterback.
34:16
SPEAKER_06: That's big East football.
34:18
SPEAKER_06: Everyone huddled around.
34:19
SPEAKER_06: Is Palko okay?
34:23
SPEAKER_06: Sheehan wants his hat.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: So uh I don't know if you recognize the voice on the color commentator there.
34:31
SPEAKER_01: Uh that was one Mike Tomzak.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: So uh Mike Tomzak doing some uh color commentary covering the the Pit Panthers.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: So uh that was uh that that was that was really was like it seems like so like trivial that like a quarterback running over a safety, but that like BC was kind of dominating the game till that point.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: And for whatever reason that fired up.
34:53
SPEAKER_01: I remember I got fired.
34:54
SPEAKER_01: I remember I was at that game and I jumped up and I like everybody you can hear the crowd in the background just go nuts.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of weird that that was the play, and it seemed to turn the turn the tide for Pitt.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: And then of course Durell Revis made an amazing tackle on a fourth and goal, and then uh Pitt kicked the field goal.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: I think once again, Pitt got the ball second first in overtime, and they kicked the field goal, and then on like I think it was either a fourth down or a fur uh one of the plays, like Pitt hit the uh running back for uh BC and he fumbled, and Pitt recovered the fumble, and that was that was it for uh BC.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: So uh um as for the aftermath, Pitt went on to uh the fested bowl and they uh promptly lost to Urban Meyer and Alex Smith, and they kind of went back to mediocrity there for um well for at least a couple seasons until uh Dave wants that.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: Kind of turned things around, took him three years, but yeah, that was a fun game, and and like you said there, you could hear the crowd just go nuts because he he just totally ran over the guy for Boston College.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: And uh you just yeah, you don't you don't necessarily see you might see like a Jerome Bettis type player or you know, somebody like that do that, but to see the the quarterback just truck a guy, um, that that fired everybody up.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: And and then it was also weird to see that game end with a fumble.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's the the college with those with their overtime format, you know, a game can end that way, but like literally the guy fumbled, pitchfalls on it, and that's the end of the game because that was their half of the overtime they needed to score.
36:32
SPEAKER_01: I remember holding my breath after the guy fumbled because I wasn't sure if they're gonna call it a fumble.
36:36
SPEAKER_01: And I saw the like official running in, and like I know I didn't start going nuts until I saw him like he signaled with his arm the other way.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: And as soon as he saw him through that, I remember I just like let out like the biggest cheer.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: I was like, yes, you know.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: It was like just like one of those, okay, is it a fumble?
36:51
SPEAKER_01: Are they gonna call it a fumble?
36:52
SPEAKER_01: Because like it was right in our end zone, like and I could see the ball hit the ground, and it was kind of close.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: He was kind of in the air, like they hit him, and he kind of the running back went in the air and the ball came loose.
37:03
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, well, maybe they won't call it, maybe they will, you know.
37:07
SPEAKER_01: And Pitt definitely fell on it.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: It was like an obvious recovery, but yeah, when the official came in and signaled, you know, the other way, you knew it was over.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: That was a fun one.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: That was definitely like so Pitt's 2-0 versus uh overtime versus Boston College, and then that was one of the last time.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: I think that was one of the that was uh on BC's way out the door to the ACC.
37:30
SPEAKER_01: So Pitt would not play Boston College for a while.
37:34
SPEAKER_01: I think they played him one other time before this next game, which we did cover in, I think what was it, most pit way the lose podcast.
37:43
SPEAKER_01: So this is 2020.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: And it's pit 30, BC 31.
37:47
SPEAKER_01: And I call this the Kessman giveth and Kessman Taketh away game for the uh former kicker Alex Kessman, who actually played in the pros this last season and went two for five, missing like a not the bit of for well, not foreshadowed, but whatever.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: He missed a bunch of extra points in the pros, too.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: So uh Pitt plays BC all the way to overtime and forces overtime.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: And Alex Kessman in all his glory, he hits a 58-yard field goal to tie the game with under a minute to play.
38:19
SPEAKER_01: So uh here, we have some audio of that field goal, which is unbelievable.
38:24
SPEAKER_01: They better make sure they don't cover up that center.
38:26
SPEAKER_01: New rule in College.
38:27
SPEAKER_05: 58 yards.
38:29
SPEAKER_05: This would be a career long for Alex Kessman.
38:32
SPEAKER_05: Good hold, good snap, puts his foot into it, has some leg, and it's good! Oh my goodness!
38:41
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
38:43
SPEAKER_01: So that's the Alex Kessman giveth part of part of our podcast.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: And it's a 58-yard field goal, and he had done stuff like I remember he kicked a 55-yarder in the open end of Hydesfield in the rain.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: So this kid can kick long field goals.
38:59
SPEAKER_01: He's got the leg.
39:00
SPEAKER_01: It's just his accuracy is very wanting, as we'll see.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: So needing a TD, Pitt picks up a in over.
39:08
SPEAKER_01: So the game goes to overtime.
39:09
SPEAKER_01: Um, there's a crucial fourth down they pick up, and then they scores what should be the game tying touchdown.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: So unfortunately, now we get to the Kessman taketh away part of our podcast.
39:25
SPEAKER_01: Chessman to tie it.
39:27
SPEAKER_10: And he misses it!
39:33
SPEAKER_05: Kessman hit a 58-yard field goal at the end of regulation and send it into overtime, and he missed the extra point in the extra session.
39:42
SPEAKER_01: The cardboard cutouts are rusting the field in Chestnut Hill, Chris.
39:46
SPEAKER_01: That's obviously uh COVID times, so there was nobody there at this game except for the players.
39:52
SPEAKER_01: But um, yes, that's the Alex Kessman taketh away part of our of our podcast.
39:58
SPEAKER_01: Um I I don't know what to say um about that one, except for um, you know, hey, maybe maybe pits finally pulled themselves out of that kind of silliness for a while.
40:09
SPEAKER_01: So but um that's the way it went when that game.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: So fun times, huh?
40:16
SPEAKER_01: Fun times.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: And that that's that's just that's classic.
40:20
SPEAKER_00: That was such a classic hit loss.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you had no idea what it was like to be a pit fan, I'd say just watch that game because a normal team would just have missed the almost 60-yard field goal at the end of regulation, or they would have not scored a touchdown to tie it up in overtime.
40:38
SPEAKER_00: Right?
40:39
SPEAKER_00: Like, that's how a normal team loses.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: But pit, like they can't.
40:43
SPEAKER_00: They have to think of like unfathomable ways to lose football games.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: That's like, well, this has never happened before.
40:50
SPEAKER_00: What if he makes the longest field goal in the history of the school and then misses an easy extra point that I could kick?
40:56
SPEAKER_00: What if we did that?
40:57
SPEAKER_00: It's like they're sitting in a script room writing this out.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, I I agree with you, Steve.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's what made this last season so special was you know, they they actually didn't do all that, and I'm still in shock because so many years, so many decades of us sitting through games like this.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, that was just classic, classic pit.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, the aftermath is Pitt does get six wins, but they lost in their game 45-3 and Clemson 52 to 17 in blowout fashion.
41:30
SPEAKER_01: So the and I I totally respect them for this.
41:33
SPEAKER_01: And maybe it was just because it was COVID and there weren't a lot of bowl games.
41:36
SPEAKER_01: They didn't go to a bowl game.
41:38
SPEAKER_01: And for six wins in that season, I think that was total I wish they would do that more often.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: Like in a season like that, it's just like, no, we're not going to a bowl game, you know.
41:48
SPEAKER_01: But um, good for Pitt.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: And maybe that the football gods kind of rewarded them with uh this season since you know they didn't go to a bowl game.
41:56
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: You believe in the football gods there.
42:01
SPEAKER_01: Um continuing on with our uh boy, there's a lot of misery on this, on this.
42:07
SPEAKER_01: I apologize for anyone who needs needs therapy after this one.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: All right, well, here we go.
42:14
SPEAKER_01: Um settle under your seats, get your comfy cushions, uh, load up on the snacks because it's gonna be a long time.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: And that would be the Pens Flyers five overtime game in 2000.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: And I don't think we've really covered this game in any way, shape, or form, have we?
42:32
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think so.
42:33
SPEAKER_01: So this this probably is one that deserves its own podcast, and we probably have to in in you know some point in the near future.
42:40
SPEAKER_01: So um the pens and flyers meet in the playoffs, and the pens lead the series two games to one.
42:47
SPEAKER_01: And the the the score literally they tied the score, and the score stayed tied for five overtimes.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: And I didn't write down.
42:57
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember when they scored during this game?
43:00
SPEAKER_01: Like, was it in the third period?
43:02
SPEAKER_01: I can't I I didn't write that down.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I don't I don't remember.
43:06
SPEAKER_00: I just remember that they didn't score in the first four and a half overtimes.
43:10
SPEAKER_01: It it it literally the game took in real time seven hours to play.
43:16
SPEAKER_01: Seven hours.
43:17
SPEAKER_01: I mean I can't think of man I mean cricket sometimes takes like eight hours or a day or two to play, but I can't think of any I can't think of any other activity besides like even work.
43:29
SPEAKER_01: I mean to take seven hours.
43:33
SPEAKER_01: I can't think of anything else that I mean I don't know.
43:38
SPEAKER_01: Uh wow.
43:39
SPEAKER_01: I I seven hours it ended at 2 35 in the morning.
43:42
SPEAKER_01: Um the concession stands ran out of food.
43:45
SPEAKER_01: It was so late, like I guess like during they had ordered pizzas, but like I guess it got so late that there were no more pizza places open after a certain time in the morning.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: So there was no pizza left, there was no food.
43:59
SPEAKER_01: Um Keith Primu finally puts us all out of our misery and scores uh seven minutes and fifty-nine seconds to go in the fifth overtime.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: Um just for just for uh Penguins goalie Ron Tugnet made 70 saves.
44:16
SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know, Ron Toughluck was kind of his nickname.
44:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh the Flyers goalie uh Brian Boucher, uh he made uh 58 saves himself.
44:26
SPEAKER_01: And I think I think it was uh three to two was the final.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: I think the final three to two.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: And after that, obviously, I mean the penguins lose the next two games in the series.
44:36
SPEAKER_01: Just whoever won that game at that point was probably gonna win the series.
44:40
SPEAKER_01: And um the penguins don't beat the Flyers in the playoffs until the 2008 Eastern Conference Finals, which is unbelievable.
44:47
SPEAKER_01: They went literally from 1967 to 2008, and they never beat the Flyers in the playoffs.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: But um here we'll play the uh play the uh unfortunate highlight of this uh goal here.
45:01
SPEAKER_08: It'll come out relatively easy.
45:02
SPEAKER_08: It's Keith Primo requires.
45:04
SPEAKER_08: Keith Primo Scott! There it is! Keith Primo, the much maligned standard of the Philadelphia Flyers, wins this game in the fifth overtime.
45:18
SPEAKER_01: So, like, I don't know who was all there at 2 30 in the morning in the Civic Arena to celebrate that, but uh Keith Primo was, and Keith Jones and that I I I don't I didn't write is that I think that's still one of the longest game in NHL history, too.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: I there might be one that's longer, but yeah, I think there was some there was like a game in the 30s or something, but I mean in terms of the modern era, and and uh there was a game a couple of years ago that went, I think, almost that long, but you're you're it would be harder to have that kind of game today because uh the roles that they've changed since the year 2000, where they've made it a little more open, a little more offensively geared.
46:00
SPEAKER_00: That was the deadpoc era where the New Jersey Devils and teams like that were just grinding everybody to a halt.
46:07
SPEAKER_00: And uh and I remember that the thing I remember about that game was uh the overtime period would start, there'd be a lot of skating for maybe three or four minutes, and then the the the last 15 minutes of the overtime would just be you know a lot of just back and forth, no no real good scoring chances.
46:24
SPEAKER_00: Like the ice was bad.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: It was like if if you were gonna score, you had to do it early.
46:29
SPEAKER_00: And I think what was that goal?
46:30
SPEAKER_00: The Keith Primo goal, Steve, like seven minutes into that overtime.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's an odd it was an odd time to score it, but like there's interviews, like I I I read so like Yager was like, Can you he said that I figured he said to like one of his teammates like can you please just score to end this game?
46:45
SPEAKER_01: Like everybody was tired, nobody could move, like you said.
46:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they played literally two games, yeah.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: Four four overtimes.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: That's two games and you know, that's six periods, seven periods of hockey.
46:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they were they were literally halfway through a third game.
47:03
SPEAKER_00: Right?
47:04
SPEAKER_00: Is that am I doing the math correctly?
47:06
SPEAKER_00: It's five overtimes, so so yeah, three periods, three overtimes, that's two games.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: Then a fourth and a fifth.
47:12
SPEAKER_00: So it's yeah, they were literally halfway through a third game.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: That's insane.
47:17
SPEAKER_01: No wonder they ran out of food.
47:21
SPEAKER_01: Uh, moving on to even more depressing penguins overtime stuff.
47:27
SPEAKER_01: And this one hurts.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: I think this one, I don't know.
47:30
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I didn't really do an aftermath on the Penguins Flyers one.
47:34
SPEAKER_01: I think uh I think that I don't know if that or the Casparitus.
47:40
SPEAKER_01: No, see that they were still they still made the playoffs after that game.
47:43
SPEAKER_01: So the Penguins didn't really we'll go over that later, but um so move the Penguins Islanders, and this was overtime too.
47:51
SPEAKER_01: This is 1993, the David Volick goal.
47:54
SPEAKER_01: And um uh the Penguins are looking for the three-peat, it would have been the first three-peat since actually the Islanders in the 80s.
48:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, they actually won the president's trophy for the best regular season record.
48:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think they had a 16 or 17 game winning streak during the season.
48:11
SPEAKER_01: They have four players that score a hundred points.
48:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know, they have a ton of Hall of Famers on the team.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, but this this Islanders teams, they're a plucky team, and they're coached by Al Arbor, who was the coach when they won all those four Stanley Cups in a row.
48:29
SPEAKER_01: So this guy knows how to coach and knows how to win.
48:33
SPEAKER_01: And um, like I said, the Islanders they do force a game seven and they get the game to overtime, where we'll pick it up with um I guess David Volick in all his glory here.
48:46
SPEAKER_10: Wait for one.
48:48
SPEAKER_10: Here they come.
48:48
SPEAKER_10: Two on one volleyball shoots tears! David Volick Islanders, and they'll be a new Stanley Cup champion in 1993.
48:59
SPEAKER_01: So um, I don't know what to say about that one except for um well, the aftermath is the uh the Islanders did lose, they had to play Montreal the next series, and Montreal was on like this magical run with Patrick Wall.
49:12
SPEAKER_01: They had Patrick Wall was uh playing it out of his mind, and they did lose to uh Montreal, and Montreal went on to win the Stanley Cup, and I think, if I'm not, that's still the last time a Canadian team won the Stanley Cup, correct?
49:26
SPEAKER_01: Yep, so 1993, so they're getting in the Bengals territory with stuff there.
49:34
SPEAKER_01: Um the Penguins, unfortunately, they they lose the dynasty.
49:39
SPEAKER_01: They but everybody blames like Scotty Bowman, like because yeah, Scotty Bowman was the problem there.
49:46
SPEAKER_01: Um unfortunately, like the penguins declare bankruptcy and they don't really win another cup for 20 years.
49:52
SPEAKER_01: They don't really compete.
49:54
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we'll see here in the next thing, but they they really kind of like I don't know if they really they they made the finals one other time before the lockout, right?
50:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess that was that against Florida?
50:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's the only other time.
50:10
SPEAKER_01: The conference finals, yeah.
50:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
50:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that hurt.
50:14
SPEAKER_00: That was their best team.
50:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the 93 team was better than the 91 and the 92 teams.
50:19
SPEAKER_00: It was just their best team that they ever had.
50:22
SPEAKER_00: And it sucks that the Penguins like top five worst moments ever are all against the stupid New York Islanders.
50:30
SPEAKER_00: I just I I hate that franchise so much.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: It's like and the Flyers, the Flyers ones that that that hurt because it was the Flyers, and you hate the Flyers so much.
50:42
SPEAKER_00: But they would have had to play the Devils in the conference finals had they won that series, and the the Devils were way better.
50:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh, or they would have had to they would have had to play Dallas in the Stanley Cup final.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: Like the Penguins were just in 2000, they were kind of on like a magical run with Ron Tugnut, a veteran goalie.
50:56
SPEAKER_00: You know, they weren't that good of a team.
50:58
SPEAKER_00: But 93, I I mean, oh, and and they would have played Wayne Gretzky.
51:04
SPEAKER_00: It would have been Mario versus Wayne Gretzky in the finals.
51:08
SPEAKER_01: Kings because yeah, because the Kings, yeah, they had to play the Kings.
51:11
SPEAKER_00: And and that whole rivalry, that would have been so good for hockey, that would have been so good for Mario's legacy.
51:17
SPEAKER_00: It just, you know, to have David Vullock for that goal, that that just it to this day, it still really, really hurts.
51:26
SPEAKER_01: It's probably one of the bigger disappointments in Pittsburgh sports history, quite honestly.
51:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, going to a more positive Penguins moment, uh, the Darius Casparetis goal in overtime of 2001.
51:39
SPEAKER_01: And uh, I think we we've covered this in another podcast.
51:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, the penguins play Buffalo in Buffalo.
51:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think uh this was a series winning goal.
51:49
SPEAKER_01: I was this game six or two.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: It was game seven.
51:51
SPEAKER_01: It was game seven, yeah.
51:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh they have Jager and Mario, but the Sabres, once again, if you have a goalie in hockey, it's kind of like a quarterback in football.
52:01
SPEAKER_01: You can you can pull rabbits out of the hat with a pretty mediocre team.
52:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, and Hasick, he just keeps the Sabres in the series, just making amazing save after amazing save.
52:11
SPEAKER_01: And of course, it goes into overtime when when Casparitis uh scores is now famous goal and some fun with this.
52:23
SPEAKER_12: Taking over on the play is Robert Leng is gonna trigger.
52:25
SPEAKER_12: Here's Casparitas whisting one.
52:27
SPEAKER_12: Hey! Shoots and scores! The Pittsburgh Penguins have won the series in overtime.
52:35
SPEAKER_12: Darius Casparitus.
52:37
SPEAKER_12: And ladies and gentlemen, Elvis has just left the building.
52:44
SPEAKER_01: So that's a much more fun moment to relive.
52:47
SPEAKER_01: Uh uh, yeah.
52:50
SPEAKER_01: I mean he beats uh what I forgot.
52:52
SPEAKER_01: What was his quote after beating like Casparitis?
52:55
SPEAKER_01: Ah man, he had a fun quote.
52:57
SPEAKER_00: He he's he he said something like um I guess he had scored against Hoshik once before, and he said, I own that guy now.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he he was you know, he wasn't being like cocky, he was being like silly, but it was it was this classic, Darius Caspar.
53:14
SPEAKER_01: It is so um the aftermath, uh the Penguins, like we said, we they lost to the Devils in the conference finals, and then the next season they basically trade Yager for a hot dog and tickets to the Washington Monument.
53:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh uh and they really they they enter a serious down period in the franchise history, and they they go through bankruptcy again and the lockout, and they really don't recover until 2008 with that when they make the playoffs again against the Senators.
53:44
SPEAKER_01: So and then the winter classic and all that.
53:47
SPEAKER_01: So um this really was their last kind of like it could have been like you know, that could have been the Penguins' last like hurrah in Pittsburgh if you know Mario hadn't saved them.
53:57
SPEAKER_01: So could could be saying Darius Casparitas's goal in overtime was the Penguins' last, like kind of shining moment, but thank God we don't have to say that, huh?
54:08
unknown: Yes.
54:10
SPEAKER_01: Um sticking with the uh happy theme for the Penguins, um seems like the Penguins have had a lot more success in overtime than the Steelers or well Pitt had a couple good good runs there.
54:22
SPEAKER_01: Um Nick Benino goal, he eliminates the Capitals in 2016 the game six.
54:27
SPEAKER_01: Um do you uh do you remember taking the SAT, Tim?
54:31
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
54:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay, here's an SAT question for you.
54:34
SPEAKER_01: And maybe we should petition them to put this on.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: Uh Islanders are to Penguins as Penguins are to blank.
54:45
SPEAKER_00: That would be the Washington Capitals.
54:47
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
54:49
SPEAKER_01: Or you could, you know, you could go, you know, I would say, you know, Islanders are to Penguins as Steelers are to Indianapolis Colts, you know, it's just or the Jets, you know, it's just just for whatever reason, it doesn't matter.
55:03
SPEAKER_01: It beats beats them.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: So um so the Capitals and the Penguins meet again in the playoffs, and once again the Penguins get the better of the team from Washington.
55:13
SPEAKER_01: Um and the Capitals were the favorites to win the cup that year.
55:16
SPEAKER_01: I remember a lot of people picked them to beat the Penguins in this series, and it wasn't like unlike it wasn't unreasonable.
55:23
SPEAKER_01: Like, well, that's not unreal.
55:24
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like you didn't feel like it was just being anti, you know, you're just being biased.
55:28
SPEAKER_01: You thought, well, that's probably reasonable.
55:30
SPEAKER_01: They're they're a really good team.
55:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, but unfortunately for the Capitals, the HBK line was absolutely unstoppable.
55:37
SPEAKER_01: And um here we'll have some fun listening to some Capitals miss misery here.
55:44
SPEAKER_11: As Haglin moving to the net, it's spiked down to the air by Jordi and later around behind.
55:47
SPEAKER_11: Kessel up with it there.
55:49
SPEAKER_11: Pedwin around in front.
55:50
SPEAKER_11: Haglin is shot! Lucky number 13, Nick Benito, has ended the series for the Penguins.
56:13
SPEAKER_01: My favorite part of that highlight clip is that like like Doc Emmerich's like really good with hockey, so he waits till they're done blowing the horn, right?
56:22
SPEAKER_01: And as soon as he tried the time, I was like, F you, Doc Emmerich! Good move by the guy in the horn.
56:31
SPEAKER_01: But then I love Doc Emmerich.
56:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if it was like Keith Jones or you know, Mike Milberry, it would have been even better.
56:37
SPEAKER_01: But but that was just funny.
56:39
SPEAKER_01: And of course, the poor capitals are they're the uh Washington Generals to the Pittsburgh Penguins, Harlem Globe Trotters, and they just can't get to break.
56:49
SPEAKER_01: So uh, and the you know, the aftermath, the penguins uh go on to win the cup, and uh they repeat as cup winners the next year also.
56:59
SPEAKER_01: Um the caps do get do finally get their the win a cup, and they they have to do it in 2018 by beating the penguins.
57:06
SPEAKER_01: So maybe the Capitals have kind of had that monkey off their back, the Catharthus, finally beating their you know, nemesis, the Pittsburgh Penguins.
57:15
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and good good for them.
57:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the Ovechkin was destined to to win one eventually.
57:22
SPEAKER_00: So I I don't know.
57:23
SPEAKER_00: I was I wasn't happy for them, but I was I don't know, I was kind of happy for them a little bit.
57:28
SPEAKER_00: I didn't want them to beat us to get there, but you know, it still felt good to that Benino scoring that overtime goal.
57:34
SPEAKER_00: That that was the year the Capitals the Capitals actually had won the president's trophy that year.
57:38
SPEAKER_00: So to your point, everybody was you know picking them to win the cup, and it just felt so good to beat them again.
57:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it was like odd.
57:47
SPEAKER_01: It was like was that the series where they I remember they kind of dominated and we just would like they would be it seemed like they would be in our end and then we would just like counterattack and get a goal.
57:56
SPEAKER_01: It was it was like it was an odd series, if I remember correctly.
58:02
SPEAKER_00: You could argue that they were the better team, but we just played the better series.
58:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh I I'm happy with that assessment.
58:08
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we won, so that's all that matters.
58:11
SPEAKER_01: Um moving on to teams that for some reason Pittsburgh owns, um, that would be Steelers Jets 2004.
58:19
SPEAKER_01: And this one has to be painful for Jets fans, and they've had they've they've had their painful memories here.
58:27
SPEAKER_01: Um The Steelers are 15-1 and they're having a magical season.
58:31
SPEAKER_01: They have rookie quarterback Ben Rothesberger playing well.
58:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, the Jets are coming into Heinz Field, and they have Chad Pennington and uh Curtis Martin.
58:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, so the game goes to overtime.
58:43
SPEAKER_01: And the game goes to overtime because Doug O'Brien misses two field goals in regulation.
58:49
SPEAKER_01: Um the deal, the Steelers defense holds the Jets in overtime, and Ben drives the Steelers down for a 30-yard field goal to win it for them.
58:59
SPEAKER_01: Um we'll listen to the uh fun and frivolity here.
59:05
SPEAKER_03: That'll tell you whether the Jets win.
59:12
SPEAKER_03: He missed it.
59:16
SPEAKER_04: Well, let's play some overtime.
59:20
SPEAKER_01: So he definitely misses it, and Dan Derdorf is very disappointed.
59:24
SPEAKER_01: So we'll go to the uh we'll play the game winner here by uh Mr.
59:31
SPEAKER_01: Jeff Reeder.
59:43
SPEAKER_03: Number three from 33.
59:48
SPEAKER_03: And the 16 and one Steelers move on.
59:54
SPEAKER_01: This is a crazy game.
59:56
SPEAKER_01: I still can't believe they won this game, and this is like how many years ago?
1:00:01
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they hadn't really did have no business winning this game.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_01: Like Ben played a really bad game, and I think they gave up a special teams kick return for touchdown in this one.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_01: And I this was ugly.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_01: Doug O'Brien, this was like because Heinz fields really tough to kick in.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_01: So like a 43-yard field goal is almost like a 50-plus yard field goal.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_01: And Jeff Freed, like you can't like if you watch the replay of that, that his field goal, the game winner, was drifting to the right, too.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_01: It just got through just in time.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_01: So and that was in the open end.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_01: Jeff Freed had to kick that in the open end.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_01: So, but Jeff Reed was like really good at kicking in Hinesfield in the bad old days there of Hinesfield.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_01: So, but uh, I mean a great win for the Steelers, um, poor loss for the Jets.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, the aftermath was the Steelers lost to the Patriots in the EFC Championship game.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh, maybe the Patriots stole some signals, maybe they didn't.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
1:00:57
SPEAKER_01: We'll never know.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_01: But the Patriots won the Super Bowl that year.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, as for the Jets and Herm Edwards, um, he did play to win the game, but um, it didn't work out so well for for Herm because he actually, in one of the rare instances that a coach got traded, he got traded to Kansas City in 2006.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_01: And boy, that really is a Jets move, isn't it?
1:01:17
SPEAKER_01: They just trade their coach the whole year.
1:01:19
SPEAKER_01: Like two years later, it's like, ah, we're gonna trade you to Kansas City.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_00: The the amazing thing about that era, Steve, was how many seasons came down to a field goal.
1:01:32
SPEAKER_00: So 2002, you had the Joe Denny kick that we covered.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_00: 2004 you had this Jets game, 2005 you had the Vanderjack kick in the Colts game, and then 2007, Jacksonville eliminated us on a last second field goal.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_00: So you literally had like four straight playoffs that you know, two went against us and two went for us, where everything came down to a kick.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_00: It was just crazy how many how many games came down to a field goal attempt back back in that time frame.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, and it I guess like you said, it was kind of like a mixed bag with the Steelers.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I guess when you go to overtime, you know, anything it just proves anything can happen.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_01: The ball can bounce anyway once, and the kicker could miss the couple field goal.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, that that was tough.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_01: That was a tough way for the Jets to go out, you know.
1:02:22
SPEAKER_01: So uh moving back to hockey and uh hop happier uh happy memories.
1:02:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, Brooks Orpick eliminates the Islanders in 2013, game six.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_01: I think this is the only time the Penguins have beat the Islanders in the playoffs.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_00: It's it's it is the only time they've beaten them in the playoffs.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_00: It's like the only happy islander memory of all ever.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_00: So let's let's for sure celebrate it.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_01: Bask in the glory of Brooks Orpick here.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_01: Um the pen the Penn finished the season at the top of the Eastern Conference and they're playing the Islanders.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_01: And uh actually Thomas Bokoon replaced Marc-Andre Fleury in this series.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_01: Um and Brooks Orpick, he picked a really good time to score his first uh playoff goal.
1:03:10
SPEAKER_07: Malkin holds the puck in for Kennedy.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_07: Return to Malkin.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_07: Now Orpick with a drive.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_07: He stalls.
1:03:19
SPEAKER_07: Brooks Orpick sends the Pittsburgh Penguins to a second round meeting with the Ottawa Senators at the 7 49 mark of overtime.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_01: And the best part, that was in New York.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_01: That was in the old Nassau Coliseum, I think, too.
1:03:37
SPEAKER_00: So right in the middle of their stupid chant, too.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_00: That was be that was the best thing about that.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_00: Just like they were in the middle.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_00: Oh, our season's over.
1:03:49
SPEAKER_00: Take that Islander fans and all the other times you killed us.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and your four Stanley Cups and coming back from three down three game, no, no wins the three game.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_01: Was it three game?
1:04:02
SPEAKER_01: Three-game deficit, yeah, yeah.
1:04:04
SPEAKER_01: Um uh I I think what the penguins lost in the conference finals, I think, to Boston that year.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_01: Yes, they did.
1:04:12
SPEAKER_01: And it was like a four-game sweep, so it wasn't even really that close.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, the penguins, unfortunately, they didn't they don't win another cup until they go to go through two more coaches and a general manager.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_01: So that that was kind of like one of the few highlights, I guess, of that 2013 kind of till 2016.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_01: So moving from hockey to uh football, uh Pitt WVU 1997, the backyard brawl.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, so the background, um, this is Walt Harris's first year at Pitt, and he takes a dismal team.
1:04:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, they hadn't won more than what four games or three games in I don't know, five years, six years, maybe longer.
1:04:58
SPEAKER_01: And they get and gets them to a five-win season.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_01: So it's the last game of the year, and that you know, back when Sanity ruled college football, that would you would play your rival, and Pitt's biggest rival at that time because Joe Paterno didn't want to play us every year, was um well no, I guess they did play Penn State every year in the 90s, too.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, they um the big rival was definitely West Virginia.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_01: Outside of Penn State, Notre Dame, West Virginia is the yeah, definitely one of the bigger rivals.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they would probably rank it, what?
1:05:30
SPEAKER_01: Penn State, West Virginia, Notre Dame, and Pitt Rival Land.
1:05:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's how I would rank them.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would I would agree.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_01: So and so Pitt needs this to become pole eligible.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_01: West Virginia just wants to ruin Pitt's season.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_01: They just want to beat Pitt, they don't like Pitt.
1:05:47
SPEAKER_01: They express it in their own little special cheer.
1:05:50
SPEAKER_01: So and uh the game is against uh WVU and it's in Morgantown.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_01: So um the game goes to overtime and it goes to actually to Triple over time.
1:06:01
SPEAKER_01: And um, because this is after they changed the rules to you couldn't end in a tie.
1:06:07
SPEAKER_01: So down 38-35, and with Pitt on the 32-yard line, and uh having a 50-yard field goal with a not very good kicker.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_01: Walt Walt Harris decides to go for it on fourth and 17.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_01: And Pete Collins actually competes a pass to Jake Hofer for the first down.
1:06:30
SPEAKER_09: They need 17 for a first down.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_09: Gonzalez complete first down Hofer.
1:06:39
SPEAKER_09: What a gutsy call.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
1:06:43
SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_01: Terry Murphy catches it T D pass a couple plays later.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_01: We'll play uh it's for you.
1:06:53
SPEAKER_01: ya.
1:06:55
SPEAKER_09: It is second and ten from the 13.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_09: Gonzalez to the end zone.
1:07:01
SPEAKER_09: It's caught.
1:07:02
SPEAKER_09: Touchdown.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_09: Terry Murphy and the pick there's number one.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_01: Well, there you heard it.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh Terry, Terry Murphy pulls one out.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_01: Jake Hoford pulls out probably the bigger play fourth and 17.
1:07:17
SPEAKER_01: That's unbelievable that they converted that.
1:07:20
SPEAKER_01: And uh really it was the first time they got the six wins in a long time.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_01: It uh kind of respectability, not like greatness, like they had a great season.
1:07:30
SPEAKER_01: But um, so I mean they're back to being respectable.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_01: They're not a total doormat and laughing stock.
1:07:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, the aftermath, um it it's you know, they're they're respectable.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_01: Pitt goes on to get blown out in the Liberty Bowl, 41-7 by a Brett Farveless Southern Miss team.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_01: So um, I don't know who was on that little old Southern Miss team, but it wasn't anybody uh I'd have to look up it was note.
1:07:56
SPEAKER_01: Um Walt Harris brought the team back, but uh never really got them over the hump.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_01: They kind of got to like you know the 6'7 win mark every year with him, and they just never could go any farther.
1:08:08
SPEAKER_01: And finally he uh kind of criticized the uh university and stuff, and that was kind of the end of Walt Harris, and um that's kind of how it went for uh the that pit team in '96.
1:08:21
SPEAKER_01: Um so on that note, I think that's a good way to end the uh podcast of overtimes on a successful uh pit touchdown there, you know, kind of make up for some of the bad, but um just never know, Tim.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_01: You never know which way it's gonna go in these overtimes.
1:08:38
SPEAKER_01: I think is the biggest one, you know.
1:08:39
SPEAKER_01: And you know, I don't know.
1:08:42
SPEAKER_01: Maybe it just seems like we had a lot more negative on this list than positive.
1:08:45
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:08:46
SPEAKER_01: Did I miss any positive ones that that you can think of?
1:08:49
SPEAKER_01: Or off the top of your head?
1:08:51
SPEAKER_00: Off the top of my head, um the the the Chris Kuhn at school that put the penguins in the Stanley Cup final in 2017.
1:08:59
SPEAKER_00: I I that one was a great memory for me because I I remember just the that was in it that was in the second overtime, and and and it dawned on me at some point during that overtime, like it was game seven, and I thought I'm either going to see one of the great moments in the history of me being a fan of this team or one of the worst moments, right?
1:09:20
SPEAKER_00: Similar to that Islanders game seven.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_00: It's like when it's game seven, it's like this is either gonna be amazing, memorable, you're gonna want to relive it years later, or it's gonna really hurt to every time you think about it.
1:09:31
SPEAKER_00: And those moments are you know, those don't come about often, and and that was a great moment.
1:09:37
SPEAKER_01: So that's the only one I can think of that I I can that you didn't um oversight on my part, but um Craig Anderson was really played well that series.
1:09:47
SPEAKER_01: If I remember correctly, and uh the penguins were kind of fortunate to get one by them there in overtime, but I think the penguins were the better team, definitely in that series.
1:09:56
SPEAKER_01: It's just once again a goalie at hockey, man.
1:09:59
SPEAKER_01: You don't have to have the greatest team in the world if you just have a really good goalie, it really evens everything out.
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