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- 0:00Host: My guest today is Beth Buelow. She has a book called
- 0:07the Introvert Entrepreneur. She's really involved in this,
- 0:15this whole area of study around introverts and specifically with
- 0:24entrepreneurs. And she writes for Psychology Today, she's you
- 0:32know, been featured in ink and Fast Company in Forbes. And
- 0:40she's just awesome. And she's the sweetest, sweetest lady. So
- 0:49Beth thanks for being here.
- 0:53Beth Buelow: It's a pleasure to be here.
- 0:54Host: So are you an introvert? That's my first question.
- 0:57Beth Buelow: I am absolutely I feel like I fall pretty, pretty
- 1:00squarely on the introvert scale. Although over the years, as I've
- 1:04taken the assessment, I inch a little bit more towards the
- 1:07middle, which I see as a very healthy thing. And I'd like to
- 1:10share a little bit more about that, because I think a lot of
- 1:14introvert entrepreneurs find that as they grow their
- 1:17businesses, they do start to inch a little towards the middle.
- 1:20Host: Well, what really even is an introvert to start, I think
- 1:23there's probably some, you know, misconceptions that people have
- 1:26about introverts. So can you kind of clearly define that term
- 1:29for us?
- 1:30Beth Buelow: Introversion and extraversion has to do with
- 1:32where we gain and drain energy. And I must say I'm doing a
- 1:36rather simplistic definition of it just for ease of explanation
- 1:40and to get to kind of the root of it. So introverts gain energy
- 1:44through solitude and drain energy during social
- 1:47interaction. And while I don't like to think of them as
- 1:51opposites, again, for purposes of simplicity, if you think of
- 1:55extroverts as the opposite, they gain energy through social
- 1:59interaction and drain energy, when left alone to their own
- 2:03devices for too long. And so we all fall on a spectrum, that all
- 2:07of us have introvert and extrovert energy in us, like I
- 2:10was saying, you know, when you asked me that question, I'm
- 2:14definitely an introvert. But I have cultivated and been able to
- 2:18learn to tap into the extrovert energy that I have within me,
- 2:22that allows me to be an entrepreneur, you know, to do my
- 2:26business to talk to people like you, it's there, I think it's a
- 2:30matter of forming a healthy relationship with it, you know,
- 2:34recognizing it, and learning how to pull it out. In the context
- 2:38of being an introvert, as opposed to trying to be a fake extrovert.
- 2:42Host: What exactly is the introvert entrepreneur? And, you
- 2:45know, why did you start studying this and write this whole book
- 2:49about it?
- 2:49Beth Buelow: Well, what I love about the introvert
- 2:52entrepreneurs that describes me and it describes who I serve,
- 2:56and it's, it's kind of an under tapped or I should say, under
- 3:00represented group of people who are making big strides in
- 3:04business, but the, the literature, the work that's out
- 3:07there is not all of these something that resonates with
- 3:11us, because there does tend to be a message of bigger, faster,
- 3:15more and more and more. And you've got to be out networking
- 3:19constantly. It's all about sales. You know, you have to be
- 3:23outgoing and, and all of that in order to succeed. And introverts
- 3:28who are drawn to entrepreneurship, feel an
- 3:31initial excitement, and they have that initial energy around
- 3:35creating their business, taking their message out into the
- 3:39world, you know, working with clients and customers and all of
- 3:43that. So there's an initial rush, if you will, of energy
- 3:47that happens, then as they start to kind of you know, the
- 3:51honeymoons over and you start to kind of dig into to everyday
- 3:55life and, and getting into ways that you can make your business
- 3:59more sustainable, it's sometimes challenging to find information
- 4:03to find affirmation, that the way that you are in the world as
- 4:08an introvert is number one, okay? You know, it's, it's
- 4:11perfectly normal. And number two, that it's possible to
- 4:15balance your energy, your tendencies, your preferences
- 4:19with the need to be able to go out and sell and network and
- 4:23market and do all of those extroverted activities that are
- 4:27required. So this book and my, my mission is to fill that gap,
- 4:31you know, to, to reach out to the introverts who feel that
- 4:35entrepreneurial call and say, You can't number one, you can do
- 4:39this, you know, and you can do this in such a way that you
- 4:43don't burn out because you're trying to meet the extrovert
- 4:47expectation that is so prevalent in all of the information out
- 4:51there. Here are some ways to honor who you are without
- 4:55selling your soul to use that kind of cliche.
- 4:58Host: What do you think are some of the misconceptions that
- 5:01people have about introverts in general?
- 5:04Beth Buelow: It goes to how they how they're perceived in social
- 5:07situations. And that's one reason why I like to separate
- 5:10out the definition from and say it's about energy. It's not
- 5:14about personality, people will think that introvert equals shy
- 5:17when I give presentations. And I ask people what word comes to
- 5:21mind when you hear the word introvert, it is always shy,
- 5:24even from people who know better, they say, you know, our
- 5:27minds typically default to the stereotype to the single story
- 5:31that we have about introverts, that they're shy. And introverts
- 5:35sometimes internalize that, you know, from a young age, when a
- 5:38child is, you know, starting to walk and talk, parents are
- 5:41looking for social skills, you know, they're looking for
- 5:45evidence that that child is going to be, you know, socially
- 5:48well adjusted. And that's, that's talking that's reaching
- 5:51out to other kids wanting to play with them and wanting to be
- 5:55social. And if a child is not, if they're already showing those
- 5:59introvert tendencies of needing a lot of downtime alone time, if
- 6:02a parent isn't tuned into that, they can already start putting
- 6:06that label of, well, you know, little Beth, she's, she's just
- 6:09shy, you know, it's okay. And then you grow up with that
- 6:13label, and you don't ever really question it. And so you think
- 6:16that when you go to a party, or a networking event, or any other
- 6:20big social outing, and you're uncomfortable, or you find it
- 6:23really exhausting, that it's because you're shy, as opposed
- 6:27to well, perhaps it's about your energy. And about being an
- 6:30introvert, that's interesting. You know, people will say, well,
- 6:34introverts Don't you know, I'm a people person. I'm not an
- 6:37introvert. Well, an introvert can be a people person, it's
- 6:40just that we need to have a certain ratio of alone time to
- 6:44people time, that allows us to reach out to people. So for me,
- 6:47you know, it might be I need two hours of downtime for every one
- 6:51hour, I'm out and socializing and interacting with people. And
- 6:55that can include and what's important for the entrepreneur
- 6:58to understand is that includes clients and customers, it
- 7:01includes the time you spend on the line, I remember the day I
- 7:05realized that just because I'm sitting alone in my office, and
- 7:08I'm on the computer, maybe I'm blogging, or I'm on social
- 7:12media, or reading articles and commenting, it's still noisy,
- 7:15there could not be a peep coming out of my computer. But you
- 7:18realize how noisy it is when you shut the lid on your laptop, for
- 7:22instance, and you walk away? And it's like, wow, that's like I
- 7:26just hit the mute button. So it's recognizing all of those
- 7:29different places that you are interacting with people and
- 7:32understanding for yourself, what's the balance that you
- 7:36need, so that you have the energy to do those things, when
- 7:39it's called for it stimulation? You know, it's just a different
- 7:43form of stimulation than when you're talking with people. I
- 7:46mean, you know, email, and you think of how easily you can get
- 7:50overwhelmed. Or if you have too many tabs open on your browser.
- 7:53You know, that's another way that we can create over
- 7:56stimulation for ourselves that if you start to become aware of
- 8:00it, and how much it's draining your energy, then you can start
- 8:03to manage it a little better.
- 8:05Host: Yeah. So do you think introverts can they be
- 8:08charismatic? Like, can you go so far as to say you could be
- 8:11charismatic and still be an introvert?
- 8:13Beth Buelow: Absolutely. I think that it's a different kind
- 8:16of charisma. You know, as I mentioned before, it's not about
- 8:20being a fake extrovert. When I get up on stage, I don't want to
- 8:24try to be charismatic Allah, Tony Robbins, or any of these
- 8:27other you know, high energy speakers. So charisma doesn't
- 8:31necessarily have to do in my opinion, with being, you know,
- 8:34really high energy and really extroverted. It has to do with
- 8:38an inner power and inner confidence and trust, and being
- 8:42able to sincerely connect with other people, just like they say
- 8:45the best conversationalist are those who are the best
- 8:49listeners, not necessarily the best talkers. I think those with
- 8:53charisma are, it's not necessarily somebody who's like
- 8:56larger than life. It's somebody who emanates a very powerful,
- 9:00positive presence that helps other people feel connected to
- 9:03them and feel good about themselves. And I think you
- 9:06know, introverts absolutely have that power at their disposal.
- 9:10Host: What are the challenges there for an introvert
- 9:12salesperson or entrepreneur?
- 9:14Beth Buelow: First, it has to do with recognizing that you can
- 9:17approach those processes on your own terms, that you have
- 9:21inherent strength, that it's not about having the gift of gab.
- 9:26It's not about being able to, you know, talk up a blue streak
- 9:31or any of that I remember I was Do you ever watch the show the
- 9:33Prophet? There was an episode when he was you know, of course,
- 9:36visiting a company and meeting the various staff and he met the
- 9:40person who was the salesman, and he said, So what makes you good
- 9:44at sales or, you know, what's, what are your strengths? And he
- 9:46says, Well, I'm a really good talker. And as soon as I heard
- 9:49that I was like, and that's gonna come into that's going to
- 9:53end up in trouble later on. So introverts can have this story
- 9:57that it's all about talking and what Marcus proved a little bit
- 10:00later in that same episode was that it wasn't the salesman's
- 10:03ability to talk that was an asset. I don't know, I think he
- 10:07did eventually find an asset in that person. But he basically
- 10:10kind of took the reins and said, Here, let me let me demonstrate
- 10:14what really needs to happen here. And he asked questions,
- 10:17and he listened. And it's something that I think we know,
- 10:20intuitive, like, Oh, of course, how do I like to be sold to? I
- 10:23like for somebody to listen to me to ask questions to find out
- 10:26what I really need, and to be honest with me if they don't
- 10:29have it, and if introverts can get through this idea that it's
- 10:34kind of the the cheesy car salesman, and you know, what's
- 10:37it gonna take to get you into my practice today? That it's really
- 10:40about listening to somebody and asking good questions. And, and
- 10:45being a, you know, a guide and a witness for, for what they for
- 10:48solving their problem. A lot of it is mindset, and then
- 10:51realizing that if you that you have some inherent strengths as
- 10:54an introvert in that, we often are really good listeners, we
- 10:59often do have that strong feeling of curiosity about the
- 11:04world about other people about their needs. And we'd like to
- 11:07put the spotlight on others, if you can bring those ideas into
- 11:11your sales process, that you're really taking something that
- 11:14might have seemed like a challenge, and turning it into a
- 11:17strength. And to release this, this story or this idea that I
- 11:21have to be able to answer all of their questions so much as it's
- 11:26about, I have to ask the right questions and trust that those
- 11:29answers are going to come out. So it can be you know, it's such
- 11:33a mental, it's such a mental game, you know, the inner game
- 11:36of sales is I think introverts can, if they understand that
- 11:40those assets are there for them, they can cultivate the other
- 11:44skills that they need to be successful.
- 11:46Host: So you actually just wrote an article that was connected to
- 11:50some research that came out about introverts, extroverts,
- 11:53and then ambiverts. Tell us what ambivert means. And then tell
- 11:57tell us about this study.
- 11:59Beth Buelow: Well, remember, in the beginning, I talked about
- 12:01introverts and extroverts all being on a spectrum. And most
- 12:05people lean one way or the other. But there is a group of
- 12:08people who fall squarely in the middle, and they're called
- 12:12ambiverts. So think of ambidextrous, you're
- 12:14comfortable, you know, writing with either hand ambiverts are
- 12:18comfortable gaining energy through social interaction or
- 12:21solitude. And I often think of it as a Friday night test. So
- 12:24think of Monday morning. So it's Monday, and you're already
- 12:28looking forward to Friday, and you say, ah, Friday, five
- 12:31o'clock, I can't wait to walk into my house and do what you
- 12:35know. So an introvert most likely their default is going to
- 12:38be I can't wait to decompress. I can't wait to not have to answer
- 12:42email or not have to talk to anybody. Yeah, I have to go to
- 12:45something on Sunday. But that's okay. I have the next few days
- 12:49to rest. And gear up for that an extrovert would be like, Oh, I
- 12:53can't wait for Friday, I get to put on my you know, my my party
- 12:56clothes and go out to hear the band with my friends or I'm
- 13:00having a dinner party on Saturday night. The ambivert
- 13:03doesn't necessarily have that strong default on Monday,
- 13:06they're going to be like, Well, I just want to kind of want to
- 13:10see how things go. You know, I don't have a default setting.
- 13:13You know, where I as an introvert, I don't think you
- 13:16would ever find me on a Monday saying I can't wait until go to
- 13:20that party on Friday night. No offense against the people who
- 13:23are giving the party but it's just not what would come
- 13:27naturally. So ambiverts fall in that middle. And there was a
- 13:30researcher named Adam Grant of the Wharton School of the
- 13:33University of Pennsylvania. And he looked at, he did a
- 13:36personality survey more than 300 salespeople, and then he tracked
- 13:40their sales records for three months. And interestingly
- 13:43enough, he started with the premise that it would not be the
- 13:47extroverts who outperformed the introverts, he figured that
- 13:50introverts would probably do better. And he was proven right.
- 13:54But what he also found was that people who fell in the middle
- 13:58outproduce them both, so those ambiverts did better than the
- 14:01introverts, and the introverts did do better than the
- 14:04extroverts, actually, let's see, ambiverts earned 24% more sales
- 14:08than introverts did, and 32% more than extroverts. And what
- 14:11he posited was that the ambiverts can naturally engage
- 14:15in this really flexible dance between, you know, speaking and
- 14:18having enthusiasm and talking with the prospect, and then
- 14:21being quiet and listening and asking questions and just
- 14:25creating a great spaciousness around the conversation. Those
- 14:28were the people that were the most successful, and so they
- 14:32weren't, they weren't persuasive. They were
- 14:34influential, but they weren't pressuring, you know, again, a
- 14:38very spacious kind of environment for that
- 14:40conversation. So I think introverts can take heart in
- 14:43that number one that you success in sales doesn't just belong to
- 14:47the extroverts, and that you can cultivate some of those ambivert
- 14:51skills and for introverts, that means being confident and and I
- 14:54hesitate to use the word bold because it implies that the
- 14:58opposite is timid. I don't think that we're timid in sales
- 15:01conversations, but we can do kind of hold back questions or
- 15:05hold back thoughts? Because we want to process them or we want
- 15:08to save them in Newbury think, oh, I can just follow up later.
- 15:12And so the being bold, would be asking them right there in that
- 15:15moment, you know, extrovert yourself as a verb during that
- 15:19time in order to strike that balance that that the ambiverts
- 15:22have found.
- 15:23Host: I think that's fascinating. We're running out
- 15:26of time best. Where do you want people to go to learn more about
- 15:29you? And check out the introvert entrepreneur?
- 15:32Beth Buelow: Yeah, my website is home to my blog, podcast and
- 15:35books. So that's the introvertentrepreneur.com. And
- 15:39from there, you'll find my presence on all sorts of social
- 15:43media. And of course, you'll find links to the introvert
- 15:47entrepreneur, the book.
- 15:49Host: So if somebody is out there, just the last little
- 15:51thing who's listening in and maybe they've they've never,
- 15:54they've always written off the idea of having their own
- 15:56business, or they've always written off the idea of being in
- 15:59sales. What advice would you give to that person
- 16:02Beth Buelow: To challenge your assumptions and your stories,
- 16:05you know, which requires first of course, being able to look at
- 16:08them and identify them. And for introverts, that story is often
- 16:12I'm not a good networker, I'm not good at sales. I don't have
- 16:16the energy to sustain a business, challenge all of those
- 16:19things and, you know, find resources like my book like
- 16:23other there's several other great authors who've written
- 16:26about introversion, then of course, entrepreneurship, but,
- 16:29you know, seek out resources seek out support and and learn
- 16:33how to, you know, embrace your introversion so that you can
- 16:36work with it instead of against it.
- 16:39Host: Awesome. Well, thanks for encouraging us and inspiring us
- 16:42and helping us to challenge some of those beliefs.
- 16:45Beth Buelow: I appreciate it.