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Do You Believe in Life After the Jellicle Ball? · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Are you blind when you're born? Do you see in
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  Speaker 1: the dark?
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  Speaker 2: Ah?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, if you looked at a king, would you sit
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  Speaker 1: on his throne? Would you say that your bite? Is
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  Speaker 1: it worse than your bark?
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  Speaker 2: People have said that.
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  Speaker 1: So those are lyrics from uh jelical Cats from the
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  Speaker 1: musical Cats.
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  Speaker 2: The musical Cats music.
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  Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, we will be discussing today. And as someone
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  Speaker 1: who as a person of listening to Macavity and Skimbleshanks
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  Speaker 1: the Railway Cat at least twice a day, that's just
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  Speaker 1: the way I thought of to start this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I am. I feel like, Okay, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: let's just dive right into it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Virginal, Let's like, let's like say hi, like blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blahh.
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  Speaker 2: Virgins Hi, It's me frand Toroto. I don't really like
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  Speaker 2: Cats the musical. It's not really music that I have
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  Speaker 2: ever really liked. Rose, you bought me tickets to see
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  Speaker 2: Cats the Jellico Ball on Broadway for my birthday.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of those.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually like kind of nervous that you wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: like it.
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  Speaker 2: I was nervous that I wouldn't like it. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: say that to you.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually kind of nervous that I wouldn't like it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean yes, And obviously we had a ball.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get into it. But Rose, in the
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  Speaker 2: time since I last saw you on Thursday, what's been
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  Speaker 2: going on? Anything fun, anything juicy in your social life,
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  Speaker 2: your personal life?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, this weekend was Memorial Day weekend, long weekend,
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  Speaker 1: and I went out of town. I was in the
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  Speaker 1: Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania. My friend friend Paul Leopold was
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  Speaker 1: is starting this sort of like art camp experience.
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  Speaker 2: Does that have a name.
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  Speaker 1: Called camp camp? And this weekend was sort of like
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  Speaker 1: the I don't know, like proof of concept, like test
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  Speaker 1: run of it. And a bunch of us gathered in
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  Speaker 1: a house in the Poconos in Pennsylvania and did a
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  Speaker 1: couple of days of programming, lots of like a group
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  Speaker 1: group workshops and an open mic night like cabaret show
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  Speaker 1: that I read something in. I also DJed a dance party. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it was really fun.
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  Speaker 2: Did you play the Klang Klang remix?
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  Speaker 1: I did? Yeah, I mean I like kind of had
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  Speaker 1: to and like it definitely you know, killed and was
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  Speaker 1: the moment that everyone got very excited about. But like,
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  Speaker 1: the thing is I now kind of have to retire
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  Speaker 1: that track?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think you should kind of. I think, Okay, DJ,
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing. Can I ask you a question about
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  Speaker 2: DJ culture, Like are there specific tracks where DJs have
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  Speaker 2: it in their back pocket and they're like, I know
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  Speaker 2: that the kids are waiting for me to play this
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  Speaker 2: song that they expect me to play like that or
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  Speaker 2: is it more kind of like if you're a DJ,
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  Speaker 2: you must never play the same thing twice and so
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  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you're expected to actually surprise everyone always.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, like you have to know DJ pretty well
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  Speaker 1: and see them pretty often too write their set list
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  Speaker 1: that well. I mean, I, you know, had a somewhat
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  Speaker 1: unique experience and that when I was DJing, the most
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  Speaker 1: often I had, you know, a weekly party I played
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  Speaker 1: pretty regularly. So yeah, like I did kind of have
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  Speaker 1: some signature tracks that people who came to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of my gigs were used to hearing. And I guess
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  Speaker 1: also as someone who plays whose sets are more kind
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  Speaker 1: of like trolley remix heavy, like, yeah, that's more a
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  Speaker 1: part of my experience. If you're playing like random, you know,
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  Speaker 1: voiceless techno tracks. Maybe people are not quite as used
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  Speaker 1: to that, but I kind of when I, you know,
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  Speaker 1: dj it again for the first time in a long
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  Speaker 1: time at Doll Invasion last year. I really had to
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  Speaker 1: build my set from the ground up. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: like I'm playing the same songs I was when I
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  Speaker 1: was DJing regularly almost a decade ago.
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  Speaker 2: However, when you were building that foundation, one of the
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  Speaker 2: bricks in It's in its foundation was the Klang Klang
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  Speaker 2: remix Wait is it called wait Man?
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  Speaker 1: Actually?
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  Speaker 2: Let me let me not actually give the track ID.
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  Speaker 1: I would never mind. No, it's a remix of a
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  Speaker 1: remix by Judy Garland, and it's very artful and tasteful
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  Speaker 1: and delicious. Yeah, it's a really good club mix. But
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  Speaker 1: I even I DJ'ed off of cdj's this weekend. It
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  Speaker 1: was truly back in business. That's amazing. I remember you
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  Speaker 1: were saying you wanted.
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  Speaker 2: To do a little DJ. You did a little DJ practice.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't actually, Oh, I thought you went. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: that never happened. I would go with you.
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  Speaker 1: But this weekend there were so The house we were
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  Speaker 1: in was this crazy airbnb that was giving kind of
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  Speaker 1: like seventies party house, Like I kept expecting to turn
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  Speaker 1: a corner and see a conversation pit, but there was
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  Speaker 1: a full in the basement. There was a full dance
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  Speaker 1: club like disco tech cool, as well as a speakeasy
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  Speaker 1: that was hidden behind us like opening bookcase. Okay, And
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  Speaker 1: why was I bringing that up?
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  Speaker 2: I think you were just describing the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh, because I did. At one point there was
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  Speaker 1: there was a full CDJ setup in that secret basement club,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just going to play off my computer
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  Speaker 1: but ended up like plugging it into the CDJs and
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  Speaker 1: I did kind of like a cursory like, oh, let
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  Speaker 1: me see if I can still mix thing, and it
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  Speaker 1: was like riding a bike.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, I need to learn how to DJ.
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  Speaker 1: I could like maybe teach you at now at this
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  Speaker 1: point I think I would you should be taught by
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  Speaker 1: someone better.
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  Speaker 2: But people don't go to d I mean, I know
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  Speaker 2: DJ school is a thing, but that's like ghosh, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like I feel like all the DJs that I know in.
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  Speaker 1: I need to have you need to have a friend
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  Speaker 1: kind of show you the ropes that that or at
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  Speaker 1: least that is what worked for me. And also I
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  Speaker 1: do think that at a certain point you need to
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  Speaker 1: just kind of like throw yourself into a situation where
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  Speaker 1: you are actually DJing for people and just kind of
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  Speaker 1: figure and that's the deadline. How was your Memorial Day weekend?
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  Speaker 1: What did you were on Fire Island again?
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  Speaker 2: It was really good. I was just gonna say, visions,
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  Speaker 2: if there's anybody that wants to teach me how to DJ,
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  Speaker 2: we teach me how to teach me. I also was
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  Speaker 2: gonna say, the virgins can't see, but we have kind
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  Speaker 2: of we kind of have the same haircut now, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you have more fashionable French bangs.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so happy that I cut off over five inches
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  Speaker 1: of hair. I have felt so free and it's actually
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  Speaker 1: been one of the first times where I've gotten a
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  Speaker 1: haircut like this dramatic and not regretted it immediately afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: You feel so free.
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  Speaker 1: My hair is so healthy because I cut what mostly
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  Speaker 1: what I was my stylist cut out were my highlights.
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  Speaker 1: So this is all very like fresh and I'm really
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  Speaker 1: just enjoying kind of growing it out, and I like
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  Speaker 1: having short hair for summer. It's just so much easier
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  Speaker 1: to deal with, and it's gonna grow, and it's gonna grow.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing about hair it grows.
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  Speaker 2: That was me doing the run from stateside.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, tell me, tell me about your holiday weekend.
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  Speaker 2: I went to Fire Island with my secret boyfriends, my
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  Speaker 2: not so secret boyfriend secret anymore. I mean I posted
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  Speaker 2: about him, but your secret.
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  Speaker 1: Boyfriend who he and I have now followed each other
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram? Really?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Wow, it's real, It's real. I it
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  Speaker 2: was really fab I would say that the highlight of
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  Speaker 2: my weekend. Well, I went to mother Disco, a party
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  Speaker 2: by Tom Capalonga and Emil Cohen. If you've never been,
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  Speaker 2: it was great. I had an absolute ball. Did you
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  Speaker 2: have a Jelica? But did I have a Gelica ball
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  Speaker 2: remains to be seen. I mean they did play I
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  Speaker 2: Feel Love by Donna Lumber I think three times.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so.
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  Speaker 2: They played one more time by fucking what is it?
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  Speaker 2: Daft Pop? They played that twice. I was just kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, wait, what do you DJs do? I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: so no shade to amal that way? Like everybody was
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  Speaker 2: loving and.
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  Speaker 1: That actually reminds me of a musical that I'm currently concepting,
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  Speaker 1: a Black Eyed Peas jukebox musical called American Elephunk Pump
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  Speaker 1: it Out exactly that's the number of at.
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  Speaker 2: The oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I was gonna say
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  Speaker 2: so then what was so? And obviously the finale song
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  Speaker 2: is where It's the love but where you know me
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  Speaker 2: so well? What's is the opening the.
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  Speaker 1: Opening number is I got a feeling the opening numbers.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta feeling.
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  Speaker 2: That's a pretty hard that's a pretty fucking bang harang intro.
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  Speaker 2: Are you sure that's like that's kind of you're blowing
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  Speaker 2: your load right off the bat.
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  Speaker 1: No, because there's still some that's the thing of the
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  Speaker 1: Black Yeah, they.
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  Speaker 2: Have so many hits, there's so much left to go.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that was, and.
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  Speaker 1: We are including select Fergie and Will I Am solo
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  Speaker 1: tracks like Scream and Shout featuring Britney Spears is in
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  Speaker 1: the musical. I mean that's yeah, it's fur delicious and
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: Big Girls Don't Cry is sort of the eleven o'clock number.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the same for the same reason. Destiny's
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  Speaker 2: Child are Beyonce songs. Okay, Fergie songs are black Eyed Peas.
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: Our black Eyed Peas songs are for when I exactly
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: when when I decide they're not they're not. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: album back to back No skips. I literally could not
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  Speaker 2: stop sinking pump it this weekend. I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: I have like a black eyed peas association with fire
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  Speaker 2: fire monkey business. Just really, you know, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: It fits. The most newsworthy noteworthy thing that from this
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  Speaker 2: weekend is that me and my housemates watched Mannequin starring
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  Speaker 2: Kim Katral.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've actually never seen it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I wish we had watched it together.
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  Speaker 1: What a fire island ass movie to watch?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I had never seen a movie.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: That is probably kind of bad and has an iconic
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  Speaker 1: track that Detox loves to lips like two.
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  Speaker 2: It literally, oh it does.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Nothing's gone to stop us now?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: De Talks has long done this really great performance where
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  Speaker 1: she does both does that number and just like stands
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  Speaker 1: like a mannequin with her purse open for people to
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: put money into it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen video of that. She's literally so talented.
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  Speaker 2: If you're not familiar with Mannequin the nineteen eighty seven,
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  Speaker 2: I have like sci fi rom com We're in Kim Katrell,
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  Speaker 2: who is an Egyptian deity from from a century centuries
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  Speaker 2: ago millennia ago. Is reincarnated into a mannequin, so.
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  Speaker 1: It's sort of like the Mummy, but for girls.
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  Speaker 2: It's, uh, well, the Egyptian thing is really never brought back.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's the intro of the movie, and
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  Speaker 2: then it never really comes.
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  Speaker 1: Back into like she is still kind of giving tep she.
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  Speaker 2: Is a mummy in the beginning of the film. I
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  Speaker 2: will say that it is honestly like, has Kim Katrell
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  Speaker 2: ever starred in a film? Like was this her only
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  Speaker 2: starring role?
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  Speaker 1: Question mark? She I think it might have been.
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  Speaker 2: The movie has a thirty percent of Rotten Tomatoes. I
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  Speaker 2: would say that that is a kind of I think
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  Speaker 2: that ranking is too low. I don't think it was
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  Speaker 2: an amazing movie, but I think that ranking is too low.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought that Kim Katrell was sub lime and
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: the movie I'm not going to talk about it for
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  Speaker 2: too long, but the movie is like also weirdly like
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: pro gay for nineteen eighty seven, Like there's this there's
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  Speaker 2: this like sidekick character that has pretty much the most
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  Speaker 2: lines out of anyone outside of Kim Katroll and the
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  Speaker 2: and the the love interest, and he's like a flaming
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  Speaker 2: homosexual kind of like Andre Leon Tally type gay guy
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  Speaker 2: window dresser. Wait, actually, can I just tell you something
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  Speaker 2: really funny about the plot? Yeah, Okay. Basically, there's this
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  Speaker 2: guy who he literally can't keep a job he keeps,
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  Speaker 2: he's routinely getting fired from jobs. He has a job
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  Speaker 2: as making mannequins and he makes he's making a mannequin
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  Speaker 2: in the form of Kim Control, and he kind of
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  Speaker 2: falls in love with this mannequin as he's making it.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, does he give it a hole? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: He does, Yeah, he gives it a two, well, three
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  Speaker 2: different holes to give it. He gives it. He gives
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  Speaker 2: a three different holes and a cock. I won't tell
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  Speaker 2: you where, Yeah, you can guess. But he's making this mannequin.
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  Speaker 2: He literally falls in love with it, and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, you're my finest creation. And then he's
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  Speaker 2: fired in this man well kind of well, he's fired
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  Speaker 2: from this mannequin making job, and then he and then
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, weeks later, he spots the mannequin
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  Speaker 2: in a window and he's like, oh my god, it's you.
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  Speaker 2: It's my creation. I'm in love with you. And he
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  Speaker 2: like applies for a job as a window dresser. And
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  Speaker 2: when he's like doing the window dressing, he discovers late
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  Speaker 2: at night that Kim Katrell comes alive. If he is
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  Speaker 2: the only one around, she can't be seen by anyone
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  Speaker 2: else as a human being. But when it's only him
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  Speaker 2: and her, she's a human being. And so each night
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  Speaker 2: toy story rules. It is literally toy story rules. And he,
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  Speaker 2: you know, stays up at night and makes fabulous window
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  Speaker 2: dressings starring Kim Coatrol in the window, and the window
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  Speaker 2: dressings go essentially.
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  Speaker 1: Viral to the window viral ral.
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  Speaker 2: Well, everyone's like crowds of people running up to the
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  Speaker 2: window screaming, oh, oh my god, this is the the
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  Speaker 2: coolest one do I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: As people are wanting baby, and they say really good
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  Speaker 1: window display.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and at sales are through the roof, baby.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing you need to get good
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  Speaker 1: sales is a really fierce window display. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: The competing department store next door, Ilustra, sales are down
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  Speaker 2: forty percent. They're like, we gotta get this window dresser.
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  Speaker 2: They try poaching the window dress they try poaching this guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I can't leave, I can't leave my my job.
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  Speaker 2: But really, what he's thinking, is like, He's like, I
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  Speaker 2: can't leave Kim Catral I need her to do what
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  Speaker 2: I do and her cock yes, and it's like it's
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  Speaker 2: so weird. It's like a department store rivalry based on
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  Speaker 2: window dressing. It's hilarious. Wait, nothing's gonna stop us now.
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  Speaker 2: Was nominated for an oscar.
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  Speaker 1: And it should have won.
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  Speaker 2: It should have won.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, well, I really need to finally watch Mannekin. As
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: we're on the topic of movies. I actually have two
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  Speaker 1: res yes for you and the Virgins. The first one
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  Speaker 1: is which I know you're planning to see, and we
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: will discuss at length on another episode. Maybe. I did
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: see Obsession yesterday, the krey Barker directed and written horror film,
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  Speaker 1: and my top line note since we're not going to
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  Speaker 1: go in depth now, is just I did really like it.
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  Speaker 1: I think we are getting a little bit caught up
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  Speaker 1: in what I will call long legs itis of everyone
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  Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, this is the scariest movie ever,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: this is the best movie of the year, and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a good horror movie. But it
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: was like likely overhyped, I think so, And probably part
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: of the problem was I waited so long into its
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: run for me, like I am usually like an opening
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: weekend diva that it has been. I've now gone through
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: weeks of hype with it, so it had to be
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a letdown. But I still really
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed it, and I especially enjoyed the performance by Indian Avarett,
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  Speaker 1: who is the lead actress, who's getting a lot of
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: very well deserved praise for it. But the people who
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: are saying that she's giving like Isabella Johnny in possession
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  Speaker 1: level performance, I don't know quite about that. Maybe she's
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: it's more like Miagoth and Pearl, which is still okay.
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  Speaker 1: She said that she was inspired by She said she
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: was inspired by Mi a Goths Pearl performance. Yes, so
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I'm very excited for you to see it so we
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: can discuss it. And I guess, like I would really
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: love to give you and the virgins maybe some some
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: food for thought just as you're watching it, to think
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: about ahead of our discussion. Is just like, what is
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: this movie kind of saying about our contemporary culture? What
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: is this movie saying particularly about straight people? To head
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: her a sexual culture movie?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big, big time?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, And yeah, I don't know. I think that's kind
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: of yeah. I just want to want to hear your thoughts.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: But the other film wreck I have for you is,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: so have you seen or heard of this film? The
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Mysterious Gaze of the Flamingo Not at all? Okay, So
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: we watched it this weekend at Camp Camp. It is
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a twenty twenty five Chilean film written and directed by
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Diego Sorry if I'm mispronounced. Athetis suspetus, and it is
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  Speaker 1: one of my few five star letterbox ratings of the year.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: It is a really beautiful art house film that takes
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: place in Chile during the AIDS crisis and is about
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: a house full of I mean, you know what we
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: understand now to be trans women at the you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: in the film and at the time, and in that culture,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you know, the cross dressers, gay men, you know, they
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: kind of they just call them all marigonne. And it
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: is this really beautiful, violent, sexy story about a young
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: girl whose mother is one of these trans women. This
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: like young I would say, probably like twelve eleven, twelve
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: year old girl was like left outside of their house
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: as a baby, and this woman, Flamingo Flamenco raised her
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and she is dying from AIDS and a lot of
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the other women at the house also have AIDS, and
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: it is The movie really dabbles in kind of magical
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: realism and surrealism. It has one of the best sex
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: scenes I've ever seen in film. It has some really
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: amazing tribute visual visuals. It made me absolutely sob incredible performances,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: especially all of the women of this house are really amazing.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: It's super funny but also really sad. I was gonna
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: ask if it was like a hundred if if it
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: was like one hundred percent prestige depressing or no, no, no,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: definitely not. It has. It has so many moments of
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: lightness and it's it's I think the magical realism kind
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: of lifts it out of being like a sad queer
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: movie because it does, like even kind of early on
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: hit some beats that I was like, okay, like in
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: a different kind of less well made movie, I really
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: wouldn't like.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: This, but.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: It just worked really fabulously, and I left the film
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: just kind of thinking like, oh my god, I love
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: trans women so much. I really I highly highly recommend
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I know you personally, I will love it. It is
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: definitely like Banano adjacent.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I added it to my watch list. As we were talking,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I immediately thought of Vanano. I'm gonna see it, like yeah,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: in the coming weeks. I can't wait. Okay, the film
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I saw an our house film. Have you heard about
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Blue Film?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I have heard about Blue Film.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen it yet, though I don't want to
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: talk about it at length. It is in a similar category.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: It is an American film that I saw I see,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: written and directed by Elliott Tuttle, and it's about a
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: camboy who has been offered fifty thousand dollars to spend
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: a night with one of his viewers, and he the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: man who opens the door, is like is wearing like
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: a ball of clava and wants to remain anonymous, and
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: sets up a camera and tries to like interview him
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: and ask him questions, and this story kind of unfolds
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: from there. I don't really I think you would like
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: this film, bros. If I'm like thinking about it based
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: on the specific things that you like or don't like,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: but maybe not. I don't know.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I'll probably see it because like it is, like you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: it seems to be the gay movie of the moment
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people I know are talking about
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm I am interested.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: The thing. The thing that I'll say is it's a play.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: It's literally just the two of them in an Airbnb listing.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: There's a nothing else that there's no other setting or characters,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: so it's just dialogue. It's a play. It's a low
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: budget film. You have to sign up your signe. If
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: you're watching, you're signing up for that. The other thing
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I'll say is that it's depiction of sex work I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: think is really fucking good. I think it is like,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I think the characters are extremely real, and I do
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: think that the film is trying to genuinely ask some
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: questions that are like questions that aren't typically asked in film,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and has there's an interest in the inner life of
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: a sex worker that is not always present in films
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: about sex workers, which I think is really cool. And
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I'll also say that, yeah, like the Gay Twitter is
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: kind of like, this is the most shocking movie ever.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: It's so you know, transgressive, blah blah blah, and it
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: is extremely transgressive like that when you there's like a
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: reveal of some kind and that becomes an extremely twisty,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: morally precarious, kind of like territory that the conversation turns into.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: But I do think that it's it's a fascinating conversation,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and I did I really liked the film.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, that made me excited to watch it. Eventually.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I'll get around to it.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not I wouldn't prioritize.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I do want to get to our cat's convos. So
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like, let's let's kind of move past the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: other stuff. I will let everyone know that I did
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: finish Malcolm in the middle, so we will discuss it
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: at some point. The finale of the Boys it is
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: not worth talking about. It was bad. So yeah, let's
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: talk about the jellical ball I girl.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: So, as we said at the beginning of the conversation,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: didn't I don't like this musical. I don't like it.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I I don't. It's too fantastical if you're an if
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: you are unfamiliar with cats the musical which when does?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: When did this come out? The nineties and the eighties
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: In the eighties, a musical by Andrew Lloyd Webber, which
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: adapts a really cooky book of poems by T. S.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Eliott that are like heavy only ts heavy on the ts,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: extremely surrealist. The plot centers, and I'm using the word
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: plot generously, a tribe of cats called the Jellicles uh,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: who are coming together for their annual ball uh and
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: one of them will enter the heavy side layer, which
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: is essentially their version of like Cat Heaven.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Gets to be Reborn. So the musical is at its
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: core a bunch of cats giving shows trying to figure
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: out who gets to die.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: They're auditioning for heaven for Heaven, yeah, yes, and it's
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: each Almost every song is like a kind of character
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: study song.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: It's like a cat being like, Hey, this is my name,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm into, this is why I should
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: get to be reborn. That's the whole musical, Yes, whole musical.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: There's there's an aging glamour cat called Grizabella, who all
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the other cats are mean to. There's a horny cat
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: named rum Tum Tugger. There's Gus, the theater cat. There's
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: all these cats. That's why it's called cats.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: There's all these cats, and it's literally in the text
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: of the musical. They are literal cats. They're purring, they
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: have tails, they have ears, they have like cat faces.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: They're prancing all around with cat like choreography. They're literal cats.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And I will also say the original musical is like
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: dead fucking serious, like it's it's it's I don't know, No,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be funny. There are jokes, there's like
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: surprise and delight. But the film is I mean sorry,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the movie, sorry, the musical and then obviously the movie adaptation.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: They're dead serious.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, but you said you have not seen the original, correct.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I've seen foot I've seen clips of the movie, which
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: is the musical.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, but like as someone who grew up watching the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: recorded the like pro shot version of Cats the Musical,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: which was like a big kind of VHS in the nineties.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I remember the advertisements for it on my.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I will say, like, yes, Cats takes its premise seriously.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: It is about a bunch of cats. But the show
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: is very silly, and it has this sort of of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: course cultural you know, fog of kind of camp and
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: ridiculousness around it. So I will say, like, it commits
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to the bit, but it is still like very self
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: aware of how kind of dumb.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I think it's self aware. And now, baby, I don't
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: know if at the time it was like, I mean,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: obviously there's like a I just feel like how it
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: was presented and it's very, very very initial, like at
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the very beginning, I feel like it was not aware
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I think it was. You can't have I think, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: furry leotards dancing around and not understand what you're doing
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: at least a little bit.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I think Andrew laid Weber took it very seriously, and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I think the production is somewhat aware of its bombacity.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, there we go. I I oh that it's settled.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I war is over.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: War is over? I really I went. So if you're
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: not aware there was a revive, there's a revival of
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: cats called Cat's the Jellicle Ball. It emerged off Broadway
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: last year question question mark the year before, the year before,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: and was a smash hit. I would say pretty quickly, no,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: like yeah, it was.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: The talk of the town. It was like it was
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: giving like, uh, you know Hamilton before.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Transferred vibes, Yes, same thing with O Mary it was,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and it transferred it to Broadway earlier this year, I believe.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: And it is the the the flip it and reverse
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: it of this staging is that the characters are not cats.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Nary a cat was found, but what we did find.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Was pussy puss see me ow cats, yes, and so
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: well for me, Well for me.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: The framing of this edition of Cats is not jellical
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: ball featuring actual felines. It is a ball set in
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: like modern day, set in like literally twenty twenty six,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Like the costumes are lifted from Fulton Street, Rainbow like
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: ast fucking wigs plus on fourteenth it's actually wig and
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: plus wig and plus thank you and thank you for
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: saying that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna let you dead named my sister.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And the each song when they're introducing these specific cats,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: it's like the houses. That's like the House of Macavity,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the House of Dots, the house, and they're presenting themselves
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: as runway as ballroom categories.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Which is you know, since this was first announced, it's
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: just such a genius concept that makes so much sense because,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: as we said, Cat's the musical, it's literally a bunch
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of cats giving shows. Yes, it is textually a.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Ball, it is lit it is a literal ball. And
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I think the other thing is like when I heard
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: about this musical, when I heard about this staging. I
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be dumb mad.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be too I thought
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: it was going to overcommit to the bit and that
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: it was just going to get old, and that I
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: would find some way to not be charmed and to
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: be cynical about it. And I was absolutely unable to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: summon up any cynicism.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: No, none, none, with pure joy, babe.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: If you're two and a half hours of pure ecstasy,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: unbridled joy, I from the I will say, like from
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the moment in the opening number when the cast kind
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: of snaps together and starts voguing down the stage in
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: perfect unison. I was locked in until the second the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: actors left the stage at the end of the curtain.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Call, and like it's absolutely same, and we're gonna like
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: dive right into this. I'll also contextualize, like I was
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: also feeling so skeptical. There were three three primary reasons. First,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Broadway the whitest art form humanly imaginable. All of the funders,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: all of the patrons, all of the consumers, all of
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the Broadway goers, all the whitest, often oldest kind of
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: demographic or crowd for any art form that you can
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: go to and so when I heard that there is
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: like a predominantly black, overwhelmingly black edition of Cats, the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: jellical ball in the imagination of Ballroom, that of which
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: you know, as is the case of any Broadway show,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: white people are the arbiters and funders and direct often
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: like kind of overseers of this thing. I'm feeling very
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: like worried about what a projection of whiteness is going
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: to look like on what is like essentially, I mean,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: ballroom is like my second favorite art form.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Next, you're just sort of like a cat. You were
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: like a cat arching its back with you. Yes, I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, standing on.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: End, you're like And then the second thing in my
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: mind is I was like, I think Cats is actually
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: a bad musical, and so I kind of feel bad
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: that all of these fucking ballroom divas have to like
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: do their fucking Dopez art form to like what is
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: ultimately like bad music and a bad musical. So I
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: was thinking about that. And then also, third, this is
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: my this is my most cynical I'm like, Oh, they're
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: like nineteen Broadway debuts in this production, a lot of newbies.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm worried that the divas aren't gonna be
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: able to sing?
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: You thought they were going to suck?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I thought that I was worried about this singing specifically,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm worried the divas are not going
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to be able to sing, which is baby?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: How wrong were you?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I was proven?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: So fucking don't you look stupid? Oh?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Do I ever? I mean the show opens with egg
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: on your face? I do. The show opens with a DJ,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: you know, sifting through a milk crate of vinyls and
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: he's lifting up different vinyls, being like, what should I play?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Should I play Donna Summer? Should I play like this?
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: And then he lifts up a vinyl of The Cat's Musical.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: And you know that DJ is played by one of
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the original cast members of the Broadway production of Cats.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was like all of these like winks and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: play and like calls back to the Dynasty of Cats
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: and the dynasty of Ballroom wrapped up in this production.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And he goes up and he plays anyway. So the
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: DJ goes up and he plays the Cats, the Cats
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: the musical as if they're about to do a ball
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: to this vinyl, which I think was very I thought
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: it was very clever and funny and fun girl. I
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: had to prevent myself from crying two separate times, and
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: then finally cried the third time. And we'll talk about
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: that cry. But another trope in this staging of Cats
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: the Jelical Ball, is that because it's a ball, there
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: are judges, they recruit judges to join them on stage.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: And like bear witness to the first half of the
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of the competition.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And listeners, this was gag city.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Gag city, bitch.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: This was gag city because the audience starts cheering as
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the judges are led up to the stage and the
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: judges are none other than renowned designer Mark Jacobs and
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Frans old Boss and a win tour.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Ah ah, it was a night that we were there.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: On the night that we were there, on the night
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that it happened, Diva, I was so googa gagged. It
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: also was amazing to watch rum Tom Tugger, who is hot,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: by the way, hot like essentially Gyra on Enna hot.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: He was shoving his cock in her bob, his pussy baby,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: his pussy cracked the lenses of her sunglasses with his cock.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I something that I think I routinely saw in this
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: production was that the players really got to be one
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: hundred percent ballroom like. There was a lot of call.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of references to cats, Like there
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: was like, you know, a girl that might wear like
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: kind of pigtail buns that look like cat ears are
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: like where the kind of like cat girl headphones with
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: free ear muffs or whatever. There are a lot of
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: fur coats, right, but ultimate like they got to be
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: literally just like ballroom divas. And I was like, oh
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: my god, all these cats are like little sluts. They're
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: all little sluts, and they're all cunty county like they.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: All have like hunting boots.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: They're all like fucking forty inch human units like and
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and also a lot of them.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Got to be I mean, misters, her unit might have
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: been longer than forty inches.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: It was some long hair. Maybe it was a well
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: over half the length of her body. When her body
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: was long and her body was long. The it got
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: this stage you got to be so stupid, like there
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: were so many different There are a lot of interjections
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and like extra bits of dialogue and jokes and punchlines
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: that they threw into the script.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: And also like that funny and that weren't like really
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: dumb down for the mainstream audience, and like I felt
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: very similarly as when the first time I saw O
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Mary on Broadway, just like so appreciative that this very
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: queer piece of work was being presented in this very
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: you know, non insulated queer space, but was really not
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: dumbing itself down for a predominantly straight audience.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly, it didn't. It didn't have to contextualize it. It
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: didn't have to contextualize itself, really, and you either get
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: it or you don't, and everybody because it's because the
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: cast is having so much fun and because outside of
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: like the first couple songs after the after the intermission,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: like it's just the most high energy show ever.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, who are your favorite Cats?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Obviously rum Tum Tugger played by Sidney James Harcourt. Oh
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: my god, he I'm like, why am I bricked up
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: at Cats? Right now? I was literally literally horny. I
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: was so under I was so hot for him.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: But for I will say my MVP of the show
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: was definitely the rumble teaser, the the railway cat Uh incredible,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: like one of the highlights of the show. Like I
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: think in the regular Cats that song. Uh no, sorry,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I meant Skimball Shanks, Kimble Skimble Shanks, the Railway Cat.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I think that really, that is a song that, like
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: always has existed to kind of wake up the second act,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: and in this show it was elevated to such an
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: amazing level. It was so much fun. It's one of
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: my favorite songs from the show. I also love Macavity.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Laomi, Yes, well, I love that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I like the number Macavity, which Macavity doesn't actually sing
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: in because Mcavity is not really a singing part. It's
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: more of a dancing part. And it was such a.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Great numb and a great use of Laomi are great
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: use of Laomi. I the diva that played Skimble Shanks
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and Sophia, Oh my god, she looked like she was
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: twelve years old. She was so fucking talented. There's a
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: moment in her song as Skimble Shanks where they're pretending
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: that they're on a subway, and it was top three
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: most favorite moments of the entire musical. City Rose and
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I are sitting next to each other, and throughout the
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: entire musical, not only are we along with the audience
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: routinely standing up and clapping because we are so rowdy,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: is so overwhelmed with a moment.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I literally elbowed the woman in front of me in
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the head, standing to a PLoud after memory, and she
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: did turn around and give me a dirty look. And
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to be like, well, why aren't you standing, bitch?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: And why aren't you standing? I also like you, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I that something that I noticed routinely throughout the whole
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: throughout the whole musical, would say, involuntarily at full volume
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: at a Broadway show, oh my god. Like we kept
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: being kept being like, oh my mid oh my god.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And it was really a show that encouraged that level
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: of participation. You know they say at the beginning to
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: make noise, interactive and interact like this is this is
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: not your mother's cats?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Ye, yes, oh my god.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: You better work. I just kept screaming that you better work.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna start doing that at all Broadway shows now. Yes,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: It'll be like the end of On My Own and
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: lay Miss, and I'll be like, you better work.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're seeing Nathan Laynon at them a salesman. You
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: better work.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like night mother, there's two women on stage.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: You better work, better work, Oh girl, ecstasy. I okay, Uh,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: if you don't know who LAMI is, you really should,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: sadly legendary is not.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: You might you might actually if you log open Instagram
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sure insta right she might be on Instagram at
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the story moment. She is an actual icon of the
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: ballroom scene, queen of the dip, and and she said
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: she she did two dips that I I felt, well,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: let me not actually, let me not say, let me
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: not say what I thought about the dips. But what
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I will say is that she was magnanimous and so
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: fucking funny. There's like a moment where she like does
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: this like she kind of like did her like hair
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: flip until she like went all the way to the ground.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was That was fun.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: The Cat all of the Cats just got to be
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: really contemporary and stupid and funny and fun. And it
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: to me, the reason I, at the beginning of this
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: conversation was talking about how the original Cats was dead
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: serious is that I thought that even though there's like
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: dead serious moments after the intermission that are you know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: they are what they are, ultimately I thought that they
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: it got to be really stupid, like in a way
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: that ballroom is, in a way that and and in
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: the way that Kats is. They got to kind of
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: be like, we know that this is stupid, and actually
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: like this is how we have fun like being and
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: we're leaning into the stupidity, and we can lean into
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: the stupid stupidity while having jaw dropping choreo and the
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: divas are belting like the music was. Everyone sounded good.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Everyone sounded great. They sounded amazing together. The orchestra was fantastic.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: It was one of the better things I've seen on
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Broadway in a really long time.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Same I haven't hed it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: It's also the kind of show that I feel like
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: would be really enjoyable to see multiple times. If that's
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: your fantasy, I would love to see it again. If
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: anybody wants to take me, I will go take us.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I want to sit on stage this time.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Oh I do not want that. I want to see
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I mean no.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I would like to, especially because there was a really
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: tall guy sitting in front of me and was blocking
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: my sightline for much of the first act.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: That's a sorry yawning.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we have to talk about memory. Obviously, they're
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the the gag of sitting in a Broadway house and
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: watching a black trans woman eat memory. One of the
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: most famous Broadway torch songs, maybe like the most ubiquitous,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: you know, Broadway ballad ever. Maybe it could be.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Playing none other than, but played none by none other
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: than Chastity Moore, who is a icon in the scene
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: famously walks beem queen face. I think I think she Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Anyways, it was such a moment of like unreality to
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: be experiencing that, like looking around and being like, oh,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: like that's so fucking cool that that is what I'm
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: experiencing right now. And she ate down. She looked incredible
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: voice and body. Both Tea loved her.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: And you know, all of these cats are all of
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: these cats are reinterpreted as like archetypes in the ballroom scene, right, So,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Macavity and her cronnies are kind of like pickpockets who, like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: you know, steal.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Like it's giving abundance.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's giving house of abundance. They're like stealing headphones,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: they're stealing wallets, They're like running through with their trash bags. Grizabella,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: her archetype is she's like a retired ballroom queen. Her
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: like her prime days are behind her. She's wearing an
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: old four coat and a beat up Louis Vuitton bag
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: with a garbage bag inside of it that has her trophy,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: like her time is like over quote unquote, you.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Have definitely seen this woman.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: You've seen this woman. You've seen this woman and you
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: are it was She was so real and heartbreaking. The realness,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the realness, and the song Memory has a kind of
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: banger rang third chorus like that is really like you've
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: heard Barbara sing it, You've heard Bet sing it, You've
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: heard every single tour song.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Diva one of the best to ever do it.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: And girle Anna. This the way it's staged is so genius.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: The direction for this musical overall, like I mean, they're
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: not it's there. It's no wonder that it's nominated for Tony,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: but it's so well directed. In stage, girl Rose and
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I I rose and I audibly crying during this song.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I was hearing your sniffles. I was like, Okay, now
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I can I can cry. Now you can let loose,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I can let.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: We need to get Lucy Luduca in magellical Ball.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, she would eat, she.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Could be, she can be Skimble Shanks is understudy.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: She good? Yeah, I'm like, who else should be in
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: this musical? Honey Balenciaga as Skimble Shanks honestly f K.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Twigs like can do like a you know, a limited
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: limited engagement?
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Uh, Law Roach as the Andre has he has he
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: been a guest judge yet? Uh? He has because he's
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: all he's a producer as well, right right, right, but
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: he's been he's been a guest judge. I think I
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: don't know if he's on the Broadway version, but he
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: definitely did it for off Broadway. Yeah, I Law would
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: be great as like the MC honestly or honestly, mister Msopheles. Uh.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: There are just so many divas that would eat in
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: this musical. I hope it. I hope you know when
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: A Cats in its heyday like was at one point
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the longest running musical on Broadway. Ever, I think overall
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: it's now the fifth longest running. Now I need Cats
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: the Jellicle Ball to be the fifth longest running musical
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: on Broadway.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I want to know, Okay, of these crazy cat names,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: which is the one you would pick as your chosen name? Okay, Okay,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Grizabella Macavity, gus Us, rum Tum Tugger, Magical Mister Mastopheles,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: DJ Griddlebone, munk A Strap, Mungo, Jerry, Rumble Teaser, Jenny
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Enny Dots, Bustiver Jones, Victoria, Bamballarina, Demeter, Cassandra and Skimble Shanks,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: tumble of Brutus, et Cetera, syllabub or jelly Orium. Which
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: one are you picking? What's your chosen name? Which one
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: are you putting down on that intake form at callim lord?
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: This is so tough because in a lineage of transgender,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: transfeminine names, Cassandra or Demeitter are par for the course.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we all know them.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: We all know, and we all know of Victoria.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you that we literally know Victoria.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: We literally know Victoria. But for me myself, I do
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: kind of think like the magical mix Mestopheles would be cute,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: but ultimately I must pick et Cetera. It's that is
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: such a fairy name, et cetera. It's such a god.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I've met a fairy named et Cetera
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in the Poconos with me this weekend.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's giving a hancho I think.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I would go with I really like Mungo Jerry as
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: a name, but it's kind of giving boy a little
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: bit well.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Jerry Jerry Spice girls.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, but I think I would probably go griddle
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Bombbamball Arena. I really like and Jenny Anny Dots.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Jenny Anny Dots is et cetera in the original or
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: is that an an a new character?
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, etcetera. I don't know. That's the thing
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: is like, I've never been a Cat's girl, like Andrelaid
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Weber's musicals. Like we all know, anyone who listened to
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: this podcast knows I'm a phantom diva down. You know, Cats,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: kind of similarly to Rent, was like one of those
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: shows that, like, I was very aware of. I knew
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the music, I like saw. I had never seen a
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: stage production of Cats before we saw the Jellica Ball.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I had only seen, you know, the pro shot and
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: the movie. But you know, it was very I'm very
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: happy that this was the first actual production of it
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen, because honestly, nothing'll ever nothing, we'll ever
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: top it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: No, go see Cats the Jelly Cale Ball on Broadway
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Get your tickets, now, get your tickets now, they're probably
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: a lot more expensive now post Tony nomination. They're probably
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: a lot more expensive now post like a Virgin official room.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Right right, that's so teat cat. But I think that's
• 50:08
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• 50:12
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• 50:15
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