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Midnight Juggernauts · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's the program, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right, we've done all the
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work for you. All you have to do is push, play
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and listen. And funnily enough, I didn't
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even think of this. It is close to midnight in
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Australia. Tonight we are talking about
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Midnight Jugnats. It's actually the morning here
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for me. But Midnight Juggernauts is is
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the band today. And this technically never even
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went on the list. Josh had one of those moments
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where he was like, hey, I'm keen to do another one and I started
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scouring and I I pulled up one and he was like, you know what I
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think we'd be we'd be more apt to do this one.
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So, midnight juggernauts Josh, tell me about Tell me about this
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band, why you wanted to do them well.
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Jabber and all were friends. Prior to getting into music, but
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it's only later on that I start to show him different bands, and
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this is sort of the first Aussie band we sort of bonded on.
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I I saw these guys opening for Tame Impala back all the way in
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2013, and I just remember thinking they sounded amazing.
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They actually blew away Tame Impala on the night.
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And I'm not someone that you know, really.
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Maybe not gets into the openers, but like, you know, I'm usually
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there just for the main set and I heard them doing sound check
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beforehand. I'm like, what's this Spacey,
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dancy, funky sort of thing that I can hear?
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And it was them that a lot of that makes sense.
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First of all, saying that they opened for Team and Paula like
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immediately I was like that was the missing piece that like I I
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couldn't put together like that. That makes a lot of sense to me.
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So Jamie, obviously you get pulled into this midnight
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juggernauts. You know, Josh already kind of
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explained this is something he kind of threw to you.
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So talk to me about midnight juggernauts and why you wanted
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to talk about them. Well, it's funny because the way
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I got introduced is Josh was like, I'm going to a gig at The
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Corner, which is like one of the iconic pub venues to see a band
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in Melbourne, he goes, I'm going to a gig.
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Do you want to tag along? I think this was, I think either
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early 2014 or in late 2013 or early early 2014 and I was just
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like, yeah, sure. I've never been to a pub gig
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before that, so I was keen to go along.
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The only other, I guess, gig I've ever been to prior to that
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was I saw at the Sydney Myer Music Bowl.
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The Swedish House Mafia. One final tour.
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That was the only gig I've been to previously which is I guess
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more of a concert. So I was like Oh yeah, pub gig.
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I see what this is like and then you know you get into this room
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dark dingy sort of thing. And yeah this band comes on and
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plays these really since poppy. Yeah, dancy tunes and I'm like
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this sounds mad and. As soon as I heard them, while I
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was like, yes, I can get down with this, I do one thing that
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hasn't come up yet and you know, maybe it was just the state of
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mind that I was in when when listening there, there there's
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times where they kind of venture.
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There is like a gothic nature at points not like overt, like
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there does feel like there's like kind of sad times involved.
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You know, maybe this, maybe that's something I'm just
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putting on them because I think, I think when I made my first
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pass, I was still listening to my first pass or making my cuts
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for Bauhaus. So maybe maybe I'm getting
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things jumbled up. But yeah, so let let's move to
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the next segment because I don't, I don't want to start
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giving things away. There's not a lot of music here.
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It it it winds up to be 37 songs.
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I think it was what, three albums and a couple like bonus
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tracks. So it's a 15 song thing.
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So how are you going about Josh picking 15 for this?
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Like, how do you present this band?
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I made a playlist a while ago with my top songs from the band,
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but what was kind of difficult. Or made that difficult to an
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extent was for whatever reason Uncanny Valley just just went
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off. Spotify Australia just wasn't
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there at all. So that actually what you're
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saying before about me changing the idea of of I think we're
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going to do Midnight Trust. Gemma and I never considered
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midnight juggernauts because not all their albums were on there
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but that become live around the time we were talking about doing
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this show and I'm like Nah, sorry, we're going to do this.
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So that's sort of. That that's what sort of led us
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here. But yeah, it's still hard to cut
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down the songs. Sometimes I find it harder when
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there's less albums because I don't know, I feel like you're
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more open and you're more forgiving to songs, whereas with
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a big discography you just take, you know what's essential.
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So plenty of times in our chat leading up to this conversation,
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both Josh and I had to throw out the lock it in GIFs and GIFs to
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Jamie. You had you had some issues
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here. So how did you get down to your
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15 for this? Well I shortlisted 30 so that
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was a great start, having twice as much as what I needed.
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I basically I think my method was I put in my essentials which
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I think. Gave me a top about 5:00 to 8:00
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that I'm like, yes, I need to have these in the list, but then
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to get the next 7 songs of the 15, I had songs going up and
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down my list constantly. The songs where I see the name
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and go, Oh yeah, that definitely should be in.
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And I listen to it and listen to it against something that's in
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my top 15 and kind of. Checks and balances to see what
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I think is more appropriate to be in the list and what I feel
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more strongly towards. And yeah, it it was hard.
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I think it got to the point because I was listening to this
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like compared to the other shows we did.
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I've not had to listen to a list as often as I had for this one,
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to just get my songs right because they have such a high
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for me, quality level or nostalgia level something, but.
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It's right up there and so many of the songs are, especially
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because I think I mentioned previously I'm an album listener
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from start to finish and especially Uncanny Valley, it's
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a great blend of music that goes from track to track and saying
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for the Crystal access. So that's why I listen to songs
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and because I listen to it in album play, I go, yes, this is
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great, but trying to. Single out songs, It's really,
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really hard. I'm oh, which?
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Don't know. You spoke about your initial
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shortlist and mean, what, 30 out of 37 songs?
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That's basically 3/4 of their output, right?
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Not much of A shortlist. Yeah, it's pretty much the whole
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list -7. I mean to to to both of your
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points. Like I, you know, my my first
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pass. I think my official first pass
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was 19 is what I what I told the group but that was because I I
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when you're doing a 15, you have to be a lot more selective on
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your first pass or or at least I do.
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So like I I didn't want you know these like really tough
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decisions coming through as I'm trying to whittle down the last
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couple. I think technically speaking, I
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I think I did like 22 or 23 and then I just kind of nipped a
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couple off before I was like, all right, let me sit down and
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and get these last four off. I found myself and I, I I I
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think to Jamie's point I accidentally did this.
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I didn't. I don't think I did it on
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purpose. I loved on my first pass uncanny
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Valley and I think that still rings true.
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But I think I found it easier to cut stuff from that because of
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what Jamie was saying is like, when you take them out of
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context, they don't work as well.
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So I was like, all right, well, I'll take the easy outs where I
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can get them. Whereas there's like here, here
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was the thing I kept balancing with this band is there's a lot
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of times where they pop you right in the mouth with what
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they are. And I was like, okay, Yeah.
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Like, I always am drawn to that because I always like to be able
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to go this. You can listen to this.
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And this is exactly what they do.
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And then there's moments where it's like you kind of got to
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wait for what they do. Like you got to, you got to, you
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know, just give it 45 seconds and and you know, it'll it'll
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pop into something different and you'll be like, okay.
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That's that's what they are. And like I said, strangely
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enough, there's points where like, again, maybe I was just in
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a place when I listened to these, but like it was kind of
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there. It was kind of sad.
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And I was like, okay, like, I can, I can dig what these guys
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are doing. There isn't There's like a
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centralized like dancy thing, dancy Spacey thing going on but
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it isn't just that So where we've all said kind of different
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things which makes me worry about because we already only
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have 15. But Josh, based on everything
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we've said so far, how many do you think we'll get through
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unanimous? I'll go.
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Before. OK, yeah.
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Four. What do you think, Jamie?
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I'm thinking 30. Alright, so this leaves me with
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the number I always want to take is on the board and it seems
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optimistic at this point. Or do I go pessimistic?
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I can't see us getting less than three.
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I really can't it's it's on the board.
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I'll take it five, I I think. Def taxes and and are stealing
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your number. Yeah, like, that's pretty much
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always. So that's that.
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Yeah, it is what it is. All right.
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So we're going to take a quick pause and when we come back, we
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won't play the game. It's the program, and with that
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the name of the game is deprogrammed.
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The three of us have combed through the Midnight
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Juggernauts, discography, 37 songs for the record and have
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cut them down to 15 each that we are now going to mash together
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in an attempt to create a top ten circuit for you in case you
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have never heard of Midnight Juggernauts.
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Which surprisingly enough, I did get a couple response.
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Well, I got, I should say, a response.
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And funnily enough, another Australian Who knew?
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All right, I don't really have a true starting point, so I'm just
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going to start at the top of my list here and work through the
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albums, I think. How about ending of an era?
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Nope. Yes, Okay.
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So we've got two there. It's going to be like that.
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I think you can get some twos in here.
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So, Jamie. Yes.
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Josh. No.
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All right, Josh. I know we mentioned Tammy and
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Pala before, so I think I'll go with Vital Signs because Tammy
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and Pala actually covered that song, but I think Vital Signs is
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probably the best single Off the Crystal axis.
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Absolutely. Yeah, I got it too.
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Yep. Good.
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There we go. We got one vital.
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Oh funnily enough, I typed that in and it says Tame and Pollock.
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First one is vital signs. Second one is vital signs.
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Tame and Pollock cover. Oh, it disconnected from the You
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guys aren't going to be able to hear this, but is this one of
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those ones where it takes a second or is my volume to low?
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Oh my God, it just keeps disconnecting.
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That's what's happening. Oh, I can hear.
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Something. There we go, Oh, it's going OK,
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I think. I think, Jesus Christ, it keeps
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switching back to my phone. That's what's happening.
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It just all I heard was this really screeching guitar at The
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Nowhere. A lot of the the songs off The
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Crystal Axis have this real. It's a real uneasy album.
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Like it, I don't know, it just seems really tense and I know
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you sort of mentioned like gothic themes and then like sort
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of sadness before. And I think that album,
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especially it it, it does seem like a pretty heavy album.
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What's what's funny is like, so I, I failed to mention this in
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the lead up is, you know, as I'm listening to Dystopia, as as I
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often do, the first album kind of really does set the tone for
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what to expect, right? And I was like, OK, well, this
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is as hard as it's going to get. And then as I get into the
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Crystal Axis, I'm like, Oh no, that isn't as hard as it gets.
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Like this. This is really telling me
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something different. So yeah, like, you know, I I had
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some decisions to make. All right.
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So we got one, Jamie. Well, I think I'll go with what
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I think will probably be a big hit and probably one of the
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songs that people stumble onto 1st when they hear midnight
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juggernauts, and that's into the Galaxy.
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Yeah, but we already knew that, didn't we?
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Like, this is this is like a perfect midnight juggernaut
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song. Yeah, glad to hear that.
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It's a good choice. Yeah, I got it too.
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And I believe that was one of the answers we got on the
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Facebook machine. That's the Song and Ballad of
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the War Machine. So that would have been that.
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Those are the two songs I heard them soundcheck in the Botanian
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poll and I'm like, what is this this spicy but dancy thing that
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pops up in every description for the song, but it's just the best
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version of it. Yeah.
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And I think especially with the way the Midnight Juggernauts
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make their songs, it's like got this nice long lead in that kind
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of gets you interested in the track and then they hit in with
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the drums and then the vocals come in and it's just great.
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Yeah. So this is one of those ones
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where I was where I was like, yeah, you kind of kind of wait
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for it, but you know, it's worth the wait.
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It it really does what you're hoping for and benefits of a
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short discography. You know, if if this was a
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longer discography and I'm really trying to blast through
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to try to make my first cuts, you know, maybe I don't give it
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that 30 seconds it needs to get to this point, you know, but
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which would have been a mistake, clearly.
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All right, Well, and this is another one where like as I'm
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listening to the songs leading up to our conversation.
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It's like, oh, yeah, this is yeah, this is good.
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So I probably would have made room for it anyway.
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All right, back to me. You know what?
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I'll just keep going down the line.
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How about shadows? Yeah, absolutely.
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Oh yeah, that puts us at. Three, that bass line is
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amazing. Like, it's the same chord
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progression the entire song, but you sort of don't care because
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that bass. Yeah, I love the double drum hit
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on the beat. Yeah, that's exactly what I was
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talking about leading in. There's songs like this where
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like, it immediately gets you, immediately hits you right in
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the face of okay. Check this.
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And then it's got the the drums, it's got the bass line.
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You know, like okay. Cool.
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Like this is something I can expound upon about what this
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band does. And then here you go, there's
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the spaces stuff. I say stuff like that and you.
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Guys probably can even hear that, so I'm listening.
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Yeah, it's it's that that that that whole first album and it
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was. I like that you mentioned before
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you like this is gonna be hard cutting it down and you got to
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the Crystal Axis dystopia. To me, I almost found that easy
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to cut down because to me that's almost like a best of, even
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though it's not, but like the standout songs they've really
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got. You can't say radio potential
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now, but it may sound like songs made for the radio, like big
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singles, and they've got big hooks and it's not necessarily
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molding together as much as an album as say, Crystal Axis does.
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It's quite dense the whole way through, but it's there's so
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many good songs on there. I actually think it kind of
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makes it easy to cut off the songs that aren't as good
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because. The best songs on there, You're
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into the galaxies, your shadows, they just stand out so much
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because they're so good. No, absolutely.
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Like I think I found with dystopia especially you'd listen
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through all the tracks and because they have more or less a
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hard cut off and a hard start, you can listen to the start and
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go ah yes or no. So where the other ones like
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they bleed into another and you really have to give them the
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breathing room to be able to make a decision.
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All right, Josh, Where you wanna take us?
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Well. I'll stay with the theme of
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dystopia 9 lives. Yes, OK.
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Nope. That's that's probably good for
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the rest of the. So that's two.
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All right, Jing? I think I'll go with my second
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favorite song on the Crystal Access, and that is Dynasty.
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Yeah. Nope.
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All right. So that's it.
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As before the Crystal Access songs though, it's still very
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good. It's just hard to cut down.
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Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
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All right. Well, let's try that out.
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Let's find out. I'll venture into Uncanny Valley
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here. How about Ballad of the War
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Machine? Yeah, absolutely.
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This is how I realized I stuffed up my number.
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I didn't look at the key songs and went, yeah, that makes
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sense. That sounds kind of hypnotic in
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the chorus. The harmonies are like very
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psychedelic. Oh yeah, you know what I love
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about the song as well, which I only just recently found out
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about back in the day when music videos were a thing.
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Like I went on YouTube to when they were a bigger thing.
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I went on YouTube to watch the music video for this song and
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it's, you know, your typical 48360 P quality.
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The starting one minute doesn't make any sense.
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And then the music kicks in and you go because like the first
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minute I'm like, am I watching the right thing?
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And then you hear the music and you're like, OK, it's such a
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weird kind of music video. And the fun fact I have for this
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is when I saw this band live with Josh, the uniforms that
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they wore in that music video they wore on stage at that gig.
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Like some Soviet era inspired dictatorship type uniform if I
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had to describe Justin. But if in the in the sort of
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words of Arnie, Donnie, you've probably heard the term from
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there but something you say a lot in Australia they're called
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units. They're not juggernauts.
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They're a bit weird, some of the some of the things they put up,
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like I don't know where they're going, but I'm like, you know
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what you do you you're a good band, but I have no idea what
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what you're talking about or. I feel like, you know, yeah,
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they've got a weird sense of humor.
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Ballad of the War Machine. It makes sense to me, like, you
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know, what better machine than Russia?
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You know, there you go, Sure. All right.
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So Ballad of War Machine was me. And just like that, by the way,
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we're right at Josh's 4. So, you know, my 5 doesn't look
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so crazy. There's there's there's a good
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amount of play left. So.
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All right, Josh. Now, I actually don't know how
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to say this word, but this is the other or one of the singles
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of Uncanny Valley Memoriam or Memoriam.
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I don't know. To me, yeah, this song, it's got
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this sort of bittersweet feel. And I feel like sometimes when
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you get a band that gets the right of new albums that they
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they sort of hit a stage in their experience where they can
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sort of, you know, write a great song like this without.
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Really trying too hard or making it sound like they're trying too
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hard. Like if this sort of hook was on
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the first album, they would have put 100 more hooks on it and it
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would have been more on your face.
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But it's just sort of there. They're just good at writing
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songs by this stage. I don't have it.
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So that was a two ask peers, sorry.
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All right, so, ah, OK, so I think I'm gonna go with deep
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blue lines. Well, yeah, Dream pop.
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No. I'm a real, I'm a real slut for
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those sort of SIM strings. Any any songs with like SIM
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strings in them, it just hits me in the right way.
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Actually, for the Song Exploder podcast, I feel like this would
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be one of those awesome songs that song exploded could like
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separate each part on how they put together the final track.
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Like, imagine hearing those synthy strings isolated, how
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airy they would feel. Well, not to be a smart ass, but
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they are sort of isolated at the start of the song.
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There's some drums there, so not not fully isolated.
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Maybe some very soft. Body bass pedals, but it's good.
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All right, so I've been the odd man out here, the last couple.
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So let me see if I can get in here again.
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How about Winds of Fortune? No, that's enough for me to.
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OK. You know, we will skip the
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playing it because you guys can't hear it.
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Anyway, folks, what? Yeah, yeah, that's some stuff.
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Folks, just so you know, I am working on these issues as they
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come up. So, all right, Josh.
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Well, just just to give you some credit, Justin, it's not an
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issue. It's just Jamie and I are in the
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same suburb, so if I played music loud enough for my house,
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you might have been able to hear it.
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But going over the Atlantics, kind of.
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Kind of difficult. So it'd be a good effort, but
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you know, probably would push Russia into war if I heard music
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that loud from America, I think. Ballad of the War Machine.
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Yeah, yeah. Okay.
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So I think for the next song I'm gonna go for song off the EP
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Aerials called Rabbit Hole. Yeah, I got it.
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That's enough for me. This song, if you listen to it
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in the car, the bass, the deep bass sound, just like it's like
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the whole car vibrates. I just love how dark that song
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is. It's really.
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I don't know how to describe it, but it's totally unlike anything
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else in their discography. I love that the name is an apt
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description as well, like you kind of gotta go down the rabbit
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hole with them like I. I was enthralled by that.
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I was like, oh, cool, like, and you know, a lot of times when
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there's a song like Rabbit Hole, like Blink 182 has a song called
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Rabbit Hole and it's great. I love it.
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But it's it's more like what you would think.
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It's, you know, I won't go down that rabbit hole with you.
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Whereas it's it's not about the lyrics, it's about musically
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they're taking you on a rabbit hole.
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I was like, oh, that's cool. I like that.
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Yeah, it's, it's funny, Justin. Initially when they released
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this and it took me, if you usually get used to it, it was
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actually entitled Woods for whatever reason on iTunes.
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Whereas everywhere else I've seen it online it's been rabbit
27:15
hole. But they're both sort of good
27:17
descriptions because it's both like this song's just so dark
27:20
and and and without using any guitars probably.
27:23
It's heavy in atmosphere you can create.
27:24
It's just it like hits you right in the stomach.
27:27
You know, right in the pin. All right.
27:31
Jamie, they didn't hit Jammer in the stomach.
27:32
Yeah, no, just us. All right, Jamie, you're up.
27:38
I think I'm gonna go with probably a brighter poppy tune
27:43
of theirs. Sugar and bullets.
27:47
Nope. Nope.
27:48
Can't save you. Sorry.
27:51
Damn. I mean, it was bound to happen.
27:54
I mean, you know, I already broke the seal last go, so I
28:00
just, every time I listen to that song, it's so bouncy.
28:03
And yeah, I write it. That's the that's the other
28:07
thing like there's there's times where just calling them pop or
28:14
like a simple simple dream pop works, you know what I mean?
28:18
Like there that definitely exists in this discography and
28:23
you know that was the balance is finding the deeper.
28:28
Versus the surface and I I think I kind of alluded to that in the
28:31
first pass is like what is my balance of of this this deeper
28:36
like like a rabbit hole versus you know what is you know a
28:41
clean cut punchy in the face pop type thing.
28:44
So I, I, I definitely went through that a lot.
28:49
I'll just go back to the top of my list here.
28:51
How about this was also an answer.
28:53
We got road to recovery. Unfortunately not.
28:58
I don't have that, but like that that song gives me memories.
29:03
Like again, weird tangent. But back in the uni days when
29:09
playing games on my phone was more common than what it is for
29:12
me now, there was this racing game was on Need for Speed game
29:16
and the opening track that they played when you opened up the
29:20
app was right to recovery. Ah ah, it's.
29:24
Kinda hard, yeah. To me, when I think of this
29:28
song, I think third single, because you've got into the
29:31
Galaxy and you've got shadows and you're like, how do you
29:34
follow this up? This is a really good song.
29:36
I just couldn't find room for it.
29:37
My 15. Yeah, probably one of those
29:39
where if you had 20, it probably would have made it.
29:43
Oh yeah, big time, Josh. I'm gonna go to a song of the
29:52
crystal axis that I think. Has this great atmosphere and
29:55
that's called the great Beyond, absolutely.
30:00
And it leans into that gothic feeling you mentioned before,
30:04
Justin. This song is really eerie and
30:06
sort of cinematic. I think it's hilarious then that
30:09
you specifically said, hey, this is something you mentioned
30:12
Justin and then I don't have it. It's just the way it goes, mate.
30:18
Yep, but it's a 2, so I have a feeling.
30:22
Already that this conversation's gonna could get Yeah, we already
30:25
got 7 in the combo. I think the thing I really love
30:30
about that song is the second-half of it, when it gets
30:33
harder and heavier cuz it starts off so airy and then gets so
30:39
heavy at the end. It's great.
30:41
Yeah, they could it it's it probably they're not renowned
30:44
for their guitar work but that that's solo at the end.
30:47
I just the song builds and builds to and then like it's
30:50
like all the energies put into this big distorted like you know
30:52
quick. I wouldn't even pull it a solo,
30:55
but it's just them strumming the guitar so hard it's, you know
30:58
the whole song just dies after that.
31:00
It's like, you know I've got my angry out.
31:03
That's it in the song. All right, Jamie, I'm gonna go
31:11
off another one of my top songs from Uncanny Valley, and that's
31:17
systematic. Yeah.
31:20
Yeah, me too. Yep.
31:21
Yeah. Oh wow.
31:23
We've hit five. Yeah.
31:25
Out of 15, we've hit 5. Yeah.
31:29
But that that bass line, this this song.
31:34
Just beautiful harmonies as well.
31:35
But I like how the album this follows Master of Gold, and it
31:39
sort of seems like one really big song.
31:43
That goes to Jamie's point earlier, like, you know, I found
31:49
it easy to cut things because they all kind of went together.
31:54
But then when you play, I think I did the same thing.
31:58
Master of Gold, Systematic. Both made my first pass.
32:02
And I was like, I feel like I can present Systematic on its
32:06
own. For some reason, Master of Gold
32:09
didn't fit that bill for me. But maybe I just kind of do.
32:14
This, well, this song, that part at the end, it sort of sounds
32:21
like a weird guitar solo. Only after seeing it live did I
32:25
realize it was just him actually coming.
32:28
That melody just with some weird like filter on his voice and I
32:31
was like what I was when I first said I'm like, what, it's hard
32:36
pedals he using on that. Then I realized no, it's just,
32:39
yeah, it's just making weird sounds.
32:40
It's good, but I like that creativity.
32:44
Yeah, man, that puts a little different spin on them.
32:50
All right? So now we're back to me and I
32:54
keep passing by this song and. You know, hopefully it's not for
32:57
good reason. Hopefully, hopefully.
33:00
It just hasn't grabbed me yet. How about this new technology?
33:06
Sorry mate. You know, I was almost confident
33:11
that Josh would have this. It's not on my list, but I was
33:15
honestly expecting Josh to say yes to that cuz I know that's
33:17
one of the songs he brings up as one that he digs off Crystal
33:22
Access. Well yeah, it's difficult cuz
33:25
Crystal Axis. That would be my favorite
33:28
midnight juggernauts album, but I didn't want to have too many
33:32
songs off that album in my list of 15.
33:35
Again, it's probably another one that would have gotten on when I
33:37
had if I had 20. There you go.
33:41
All right, Josh. I think I might go with
33:48
Lifeblood Flow off the crystal axis.
33:51
It has a real sense of urgency that I don't think they have in
33:55
as many of their songs. It's not on my list
33:59
unfortunately, and. Unfortunately.
34:01
It's used. Cannot save you, friend.
34:05
Sorry. All right, Jamie, I'm gonna go
34:13
off a song that I really like so much that I did a controversial
34:16
take around it a few years ago with Josh, and that is fate to
34:21
read. What was the controversy?
34:27
Cuz I think he told me to do a top 10 playlist of midnight
34:31
juggernauts. And in my top 10 playlist cuz I
34:34
like this song so much I included like the instrumental
34:38
lead up to the song and you're like how could you put that over
34:42
other songs? And at the time, I was like,
34:44
well, it leads into the song Soil and I really think the
34:47
song. So I put it in there and you're
34:49
just like you're an idiot. You just love wasting numbers in
34:53
your countdown list. You know, the first nothing
34:55
thing and then this one you just like, yeah, let's put the
34:58
instrumental over, you know. You know, I've learned my
35:03
lesson. I've only put the key song,
35:06
Fayta Red. I haven't put the instrumental
35:08
in. I'll tell you what, Jammo.
35:11
This was very closely getting in, and I almost put it in just
35:13
because I knew you would have it in here.
35:15
But I could. I couldn't find the space for
35:17
it. This is one of those songs that
35:19
I don't know that it was one of the 19, but I'm pretty sure it
35:24
was that first short list of, you know, when I got it down to
35:27
like 22 or 23. This is definitely one of those
35:32
ones. If there was 20, it would have
35:33
made it for me. Like it was one of those hard
35:36
cuts and I just, you know. Kind of to echo Josh's point, I
35:40
just didn't have room for it, so it just it just didn't make it
35:45
123. Fellas.
35:47
I got 4 left, I've got 2. Well, there you go, Okay.
35:51
So we'll just do. 3. Okay.
35:54
So we'll do the two rounds and then, you know, we'll just dump
35:57
out, cuz for me it'll only be two, and for Josh it'll only be
36:03
one. All right, how about?
36:08
I don't have a good feeling about this one.
36:10
Laura versus the Laura versus the Savage pack.
36:15
Yeah, I got that. I knew.
36:17
I knew that was another one I was confident Josh would have on
36:19
his list. Unfortunately, it didn't make my
36:21
cut. But again, me knowing Josh, I
36:24
was like, I know how much he digs this song.
36:27
Got two though. Just has this weird sort of
36:29
strut to it that I can't really describe them having in many of
36:33
their other tracks. I don't know.
36:34
It's quite cool. Strut.
36:37
I love it. Relentless.
36:38
That's a great description. I like it.
36:42
All right, Josh. It's funny, we're talking about
36:46
Fate to read before, and one of the songs that sort of kept out
36:49
for it was HSL. I think it's sort of similar in
36:53
that it sort of builds and HC. To this point, HSL, HSP, You can
36:59
tell us so much near midnight I'm starting to think about
37:00
food, but. Yeah, just sort of.
37:03
It's it's almost crowd rocky and and very robotic.
37:06
And then it finally gets to this big dancy sort of chorus and it
37:09
goes back again. You wonder how it all happened.
37:11
You know, it hurts because that was #16 for me.
37:17
Ah, it is what it is. Then you die.
37:20
Can't save you. Can't save you.
37:23
All right, Jamie, I'll go with another land.
37:30
Nope. Nope, I don't even know where.
37:33
Again, it's. I love it for the reason that it
37:36
just builds and then has a big explosive second-half of the
37:42
song. All right, let's try this one.
37:49
How about seat option? Now I do like that song.
37:54
That's a good song, but not on my list, no For me as well all.
38:00
Right. All right, Josh.
38:06
I'm sad that no one else has this but Verrago again, That was
38:11
one of the ones close, but no dice.
38:16
Nope. All right.
38:19
And I guess this would be your last one, right, Jamie?
38:23
Yep. Streets of Babylon.
38:28
That's another dream poppy sort of song, but very pleasant.
38:33
Nope, unfortunately. All right, so I'll just dump out
38:36
my last two here. I didn't play these, cuz judging
38:41
by the conversation we had, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be
38:44
alone on these. I've got 20,000 leagues.
38:51
That's a good song. That's solid.
38:54
That's what he's doing, is a Bowie voice on it.
38:58
And then so many frequencies was my, yeah, another solid one.
39:07
I can't believe this. I got five.
39:09
I got it right. All right.
39:12
And just for S's and gigs there, Josh.
39:17
What's your last one? I think that was all in mine,
39:22
unless I missed one, but yeah. All right then.
39:27
Let's see what we got here. I'm going to shake this up to
39:32
put the five we got on top. I Can't Believe.
39:37
Yep. Into the Galaxy Shadows, Vital
39:40
Signs, Ballad of the War Machine and Systematic RN.
39:44
And then what do we get here? Eight that we need to trim down
39:48
to 5. We've got ending of an Era, 9
39:52
Lives, Lar versus the Savage Pack, The Great Beyond Dynasty,
39:56
Memoriam, Deep Blue Lines and Rabbit Hole as I read those.
40:01
Is there one, Josh, that you're thinking, man, come on, we
40:05
should have got that there. Are.
40:11
I'm just trying to think of where I should go for what I
40:13
think some more difficult track or a sign.
40:15
I just think is is great and I think I'm just going to go with
40:17
this song. I think is great.
40:18
That's memoriam. I have the feeling that Jamie
40:24
will not argue against that and I was the odd man out so.
40:28
Yeah, I think it's, again, another iconic song.
40:31
I think it's one of the singles of Uncanny Valley.
40:36
Great tune. Yeah, absolutely.
40:39
Would think that it's one of those ones that should be in a
40:42
list of top songs all. Right.
40:45
And so same question to you, Jamie.
40:47
Is there one where you're like, I can't believe we didn't get
40:49
that one. I think for me to try and ensure
40:59
we have a good spread, I like the Great Beyond.
41:04
It's another one that I think is something that if you're patient
41:08
enough to get through the whole song, you really are rewarded.
41:13
Thanks Gemma. That was going to be my next one
41:16
Again, great lines and all that. Justin being the the the ever,
41:21
ever present breaker of hearts. But yes, let's go ahead and grab
41:25
that. That puts us up to seven.
41:28
So we only got 3 left here. All right.
41:32
So we've got ending of an era. So this is the here comes the
41:37
question. We've already got three from
41:40
Uncanny Valley. Do do we want good
41:44
representation here? Do we kind of want a little
41:46
everything? Because if so, then we probably
41:50
lose deep blue lines at this point.
41:55
I mean, I rated highly, but what songs from Dystopia and Crystal
42:00
Access could we put in? All right, so obviously Shadows
42:04
is already in. We've got ending of an era and
42:07
dystopia left from dystopia that I just.
42:13
Read that wrong. We got Shadows and then Ending
42:15
an Area and Nine Lives Left from Dystopia and then Crystal Axis
42:19
has Lar versus the Savage Pack and Dynasty and then Ariel's
42:25
obviously. Do we include that as
42:27
representation? Is Rabbit Hole one of the ones?
42:31
I personally like as much as I think it is a cool take on
42:36
there. Music.
42:39
I feel like the three albums, full length albums are a bit of
42:42
representation. I don't necessarily think that
42:45
that track from the EP is something that someone who's
42:48
getting introduced to the band should listen to over their core
42:54
discography. I disagree with that.
42:59
I think it's sonically different to anything that they've done.
43:03
You need something from the end of their career because let's
43:05
face it, they're probably not going to do any new music now
43:08
and it's a song that will shake the shit out of your car.
43:11
It might be good for you if you've got any.
43:13
If you've got any injuries, you need a massage, Just go in your
43:16
car, turn the volume up, just let it shake.
43:18
Yeah, they're all serious. I I I think, I think if if we go
43:24
333 and then one from the AP that's a perfect mix.
43:29
That that is clean. But my my problem I have of that
43:32
is like it's developing something that's new and
43:35
different for them more in a sense.
43:38
And considering that like you said, they seem to be done for
43:42
whatever reason, it doesn't really go anywhere.
43:45
It's kind of like a dead end. You get excited about what they
43:48
could do and then for 10 years they don't do anything.
43:52
But that's the thing. The three albums they're going
43:55
to find that easily this a pay. Not necessarily.
43:58
And I don't think this is a song that people should miss out on,
44:03
especially considering it's so dark and unlike anything they're
44:06
done. I think it really would add
44:08
another, like, shade of color to the playlist.
44:13
There's no pop anthem here. There's no spaceiness or
44:17
prettiness. It's dark and it's really
44:19
intense. Nothing.
44:20
You know for that a lawyer should stay in.
44:28
Freaking thing. Trying to technology is really
44:32
kicking my ass today. Is it this new technology?
44:37
Halo Worst thing is no. I wish it was.
44:43
That would make a lot more sense.
44:48
I really can't think of any other puns, but that pun sucks
44:51
that bad. I probably should've missed
44:53
that. Alright, so here's what I'm
44:54
gonna do. I'm gonna go ahead and.
44:58
Override Jamie here and I'm going to use my final say on
45:01
Rabbit hole. Yay.
45:06
Because I kind of agree with Josh, I feel like this is
45:09
something people probably should hear, even if it's just to shake
45:14
the shit out of their car. It's probably the weirdest logic
45:20
I've gone with so far. So it's got good ice.
45:25
It does. It's a different kind of a
45:29
build, too. It's a different kind of a build
45:31
that I just really enjoyed. I forgot to delete this.
45:36
Let me delete that before this whole thing.
45:39
I mean if Spotify played nice and I guess we can maybe touch
45:44
on this later after the fact, but cuz I think one thing it's
45:50
worth noting whoever's uploaded their tunes to Spotify.
45:55
Has done awful job this this. The quality of some of their
45:59
tracks is clearly not there, that that's kind of like how I
46:04
don't know if it's their label or what whoever.
46:08
Like, that's how irrelevant they kind of feel, like all the way
46:13
they're being treated on Spotify.
46:14
Because some of the tracks just, they have either areas or weird
46:18
artifacts in them, and they don't even have their full
46:21
discography that they've actually made.
46:25
Because there's a truck that they released that I think was
46:28
meant to be like attached to Uncanny Valley, but for whatever
46:34
reason, they just didn't include it on Spotify.
46:40
Jamie, I agree for you for the the most part, because there are
46:43
some parts in the songs that sort of skipped one of those one
46:45
in nine lives that's been killing your ICD, but the song
46:48
you're talking about that was a B side to a single.
46:53
So that doesn't necessarily has to be on Spotify.
46:56
Not everyone puts their B sides, but it's on Spotify.
47:02
Oh yeah, yeah, the songs called Mystery on Wine for anyone that
47:05
would like to hear it. I think it's on YouTube.
47:09
But yeah, that not every band puts their B sides on Spotify,
47:13
particularly from, you know, 10 or 11 years ago.
47:16
But it is a great song. I would have, I would have put
47:18
that in as well. Don't you worry.
47:20
You know that. So I think this this kind of
47:23
cleans up these last two though. So we have dystopia versus
47:26
dystopia, crystal axis versus crystal axis, If I'm hearing
47:30
everybody correctly that kind of puts it.
47:33
I think that's more like a 3221 is probably wrong, but I think
47:41
that one from one more from dystopia, one more from crystal
47:45
axis. So we've got ending of an era
47:47
versus 9 lives. Anybody have a strong opinion on
47:51
which one of those? I put ending of an error higher
47:54
on my list, but they're both on my list so I haven't got really
48:01
too much stake in the game. I just think, yeah, ending of an
48:04
error is higher. So I'd go with that one.
48:07
Ending of it, yeah. Ending of an error.
48:10
Like I had Nine Lives, but ending of an era.
48:14
I don't know. It's probably more of a single
48:17
sort of thing than 9 lives. 9 lives is a good album track, so
48:20
you probably put ending of an error through.
48:23
All right, boom. And then our Crystal Axis songs
48:26
are Lara versus the Savage Pack versus Dynasty.
48:32
Dynasty is so high on my list, I personally have to vouch for
48:36
that one. Like it's my #3.
48:39
I really think this song, every time I listen to it again that
48:44
that last three songs or last three tracks of the album that
48:49
meld together. Just wonderfully this kind of
48:53
kicks it off. And for that reason, yeah, I
48:55
think it's one top songs that I think should be on that list.
49:01
We'll see. Well, I'm with Lara against me.
49:07
Well, but no, we've we've Lara versus the Savage.
49:14
I just love the sort of weed sort of rivets got.
49:17
It's kind of kind of different, something they've done most
49:21
retaining enough of their Spacey elements later on.
49:26
I don't know. I think you got to put the strut
49:28
in the playlist there. There's Dynasty.
49:30
Dynasty, whoever. It said we've got the great
49:34
beyond in the playlist, which is, you know one of the deeper
49:37
cuts off that, I think, yeah, they really need that.
49:41
You push comes the shuttle. There's I think Virus and Savage
49:44
Pan would be a concern for someone to get into immediately
49:48
because it is catchy, but it's also.
49:53
So that sounded like you're a little quiet there.
49:55
It sounded like he was going to bat for versus the Savage back.
50:01
I think he just didn't want to be confrontational.
50:03
He wanted to step away from the mic.
50:06
Yeah, My earpod died, I think. Can you hear me?
50:08
Yes, yes, we gotta know. So we have a 1V1.
50:15
I've already used my final say. I had both of them.
50:20
So I don't know do we. I mean based on what we have
50:26
here let me let me read our nine into the Galaxy Shadows.
50:30
Vital Signs, Ballad of the War Machine, Systematic Memoriam,
50:33
The Great Beyond Rabbit Hole ending of an era.
50:37
When you when you look look at that which one rounds out our
50:40
list better and question being. Do we want one that kind of fits
50:46
in or do you want one that kind of sticks out?
50:48
I guess kind of being Josh's point, right?
50:54
Yeah, yeah, no, I get that. I mean, again, you know how we
50:59
have these weird ways of making a decision for what should be in
51:02
a playlist? Just looking on Spotify to see
51:05
which of the two songs has the higher play count and it is Lara
51:09
verse the Savage Pack. Don't know if it's because it's
51:12
higher on the album track. Or because it's the more popular
51:16
song. But I think the fact that the
51:21
Die Hard fans who listen to the midnight juggernauts have
51:24
listened to the song more frequently.
51:26
I think I'm based on that. I'm happy to concede here and
51:31
place it in the list there. We go, he's a good black Gemma
51:36
there. We.
51:36
Go do what I can. All right, so here's our ten
51:39
before we crank up the heat. Into the Galaxy Shadows.
51:43
Vital Signs, Ballad of the War Machine.
51:44
Systematic Memoriam, The Great Beyond Rabbit Hole Ending of an
51:47
Era. Lara versus the Savage Pack.
51:49
Now Josh, I read those 10 to you.
51:52
Which one jumps out as the one? Look, I'm sure we want to have a
51:58
conversation about this, but I really do think Into the Galaxy
52:04
is, you know, the The Midnight Jug and what song.
52:09
I'm searching for the word but I can't find it.
52:11
But I don't know. To me, it's just a person.
52:14
It's the essence of midnight juggernauts.
52:17
Yeah. I think if I was to ask Josh the
52:21
same question, I would have said what do you think is the one and
52:24
why is it into the Galaxy? So yeah.
52:28
I think, I think the fact that, you know, I only got what, 2
52:33
responses and one was Josh prompting somebody to respond.
52:39
And this was one of the songs I I think that says something as
52:43
well. So I I can't argue it.
52:46
It's so early on into the career and it's a tone center to what
52:50
to expect from the band. So yeah, I'm I'm with it.
52:54
And how many times did we say Spacey today?
52:57
Like, I mean I think that even the title is apt into the
53:02
Galaxy. Spacey.
53:03
I'm I'm into it. So.
53:06
Here we go. Into the into the Galaxy is our
53:08
number one shadows. Vital signs, Ballad of the War
53:11
Machine. Systematic Memoriam, The Great
53:13
Beyond Rabbit Hole Ending of an era.
53:15
Lara versus the Savage Pat. Let's let into the Galaxy get a
53:19
moment in the sun. And I definitely recommend if
53:48
you ever get the chance. Well, actually, why?
53:51
It's kind of cool with me cuz touring or playing anymore, but
53:55
if you're ever lining up for a gig and it's a big concert hall,
54:01
go to a gig where they're playing first.
54:03
It sounds amazing from outside and inside.
54:08
Yeah, I think the last. Opportunity I had to actually
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see the Midnight Jugnats live. I was overseas.
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Josh message me going there. They're playing and I'm like,
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that's unfortunate. I'm in Japan.
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Uh, this was end of 2014 and since then they haven't done
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another chic jello. You know what happened?
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I told them to wait to postpone their gig until you're back, but
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I forgot to tell them. Probably what that play for
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about 9-10 years. Oh yeah, that changed the
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message. Guys didn't know Josh has it
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like that. All right, well, there we go.
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We've done it. We have gotten you into midnight
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Juggernauts. And this is, again, this is one
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of those bands that like that this show is all about, like, I
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had zero idea of who this was. And you know, you know, I don't
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know, man. Like there's a lot of bands that
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you could say that about. But like, you like to shine a
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light is what I like to do. I like to shine a light.
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And this is a band with only three albums, and.
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I also want to say 2 1/2 hours. It's it's worth listening to
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just all of it. And I guarantee you if there was
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anything that you liked that you heard today, just listen to the
55:26
whole thing. You know it'll it'll do you
55:29
good. You will appreciate it and I
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would appreciate it if you went to patreon.com/oh Hi Justin.
55:35
A dollar a month gets you in the door.
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I'm working better at creating more content there.
55:41
As I mentioned, I'm kind of in between machines and.
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Like I've tried to make, I also realized that I kind of have to
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do oh hi Justin's without music now.
55:53
So I think those might start coming again at a more regular
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pace. But we would love to have your
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board. It gets you access to
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you can get that pretty much almost immediately and then you
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And with that midnight juggernauts, learn them and
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Bye.