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Ep. 52 : All-Star Festivities Recap, Topps Chrome Release · Cards & Categories

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  Hello, and welcome everybody to episode fifty two of Cards and Categories. I
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  am Mike Coolard from Rasball, joined as always by my very good friend Jeremy
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  Brewer, also from Rasball, and we did it, buddy. It's the
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  one year anniversary. We made it fifty two weeks and in celebration, the
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  White Sox have dfaed Martin Malnado to like bring it full circle for us.
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  So congrats to us, Congrats to the White Sox. Moving on, it's
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  a big day here. It is exciting we made it. I don't know
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  that everybody believed we will, including ourselves. We were successful in May of
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  the year, so it is exciting. I think you were crazy when you
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  first suggested we start this up on the heels of all the workover at Rasball.
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  But teams, it worked out. It's just okay. At least that's
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  what I keep telling myself. So we're having a blast, that's all I
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  can say. Yes, Yeah, we've had a great year together. And
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  like I said off the top, here this is our fifty second episode.
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  We're recording this on July seventeenth. Technically our one year anniversary was July twelfth,
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  because that's the all star Break was a little bit earlier last year.
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  But yeah, if you were looking for something as you found this podcast here
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  as it's being released on the eighteenth, the Thursday, and you're just bored
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  out of your skull waiting for baseball to get back like me, certainly go
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  back check out the rest of the catalog. But I've got some great stats
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  here of like I went through and tallied up what we did in terms of
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  pumping out all those pods for the first year. So in our first year,
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  we charted in three countries. We charted in the US, Canada,
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  and Denmark. So shout out to our Denmark fan or fans out there.
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  We appreciate you you checking us out, but we are a regular charter out
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  in Denmark, so at least in the in the baseball category, I would
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  say not, I guess I should have that there's that one guy out there,
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  this listener, there's like one fantasy baseball league in Denmark. Well,
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  I hope that that person is kicking ass in their Denmark, their Danish Fantasy
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  baseball league and or maybe their card collector. Who knows, maybe, I
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  mean they might be. That's very true. So we're very all encompassing here.
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  Another another stat that I have is I went through and I totalled up
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  all of the fifty one previous episodes. We put out forty eight minutes worth
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  of content over this past year. That comes out to eighty two hours twenty
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  eight minutes. That's pretty intense. As Like, if you're going back and
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  looking at our our back catalog, you can see we we like to go
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  pretty deep. We've got some pretty long podcasts. But I think it's worked
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  out pretty well, and I'm I'm excited. Maybe this time next year in
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  terms of like the tiyear anniversary, we might eclipse the ten thousand minute mark,
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  which would be I mean at that point, well we're starting to get
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  into like Malcolm Gladwell territory will be podcast experts, right, yeah, I
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  mean ten ten thousand minutes. I think that's that's what's try. That's the
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  goal for next next year. Some listeners might say, maybe do it in
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  more podcasts than four hour marathons, but hey, there's multiple ways to get
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  there. We'll see how we do it. I think our longest one was
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  only like Pew twenty five, so I mean that's shorter than most feature length
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  movies nowadays, so I mean you can handle that. Yeah. The other
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  stat we have is we've had five guests, So five guests over the first
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  year and hopefully we can expand it out and get some more. But I
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  think we've had a great time having guests on meeting new people from rasball and
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  other places to just get some new voices and be able to especially during that
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  preview for the season that we went through and had guests, I thought that
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  was a great idea, So I think we'll continue that going forward. And
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  the last one we have is if you've been following along and purchased all those
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  PC cards that we covered, which nobody has because some of those one of
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  ones that we've cut covered are still out on eBay, but we put it
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  fifty four total PC cards into that personal collection, So I thought that was
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  pretty cool just to like go back and follow and see like how large our
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  PC is going. So yeah, I think I'm going to track that going
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  forward so that we can always know which cards we've been putting in and which
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  cards, you know, we might want to in the future, especially if
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  Aaron Judge and Bryce Harbor want to win some more Player of the Month awards.
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  Well, speaking of PC cards, I got something. I got something
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  for you because of this this occasion one year, I got you a PC
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  card. Okay, so what you got I'm gonna I'm gonna give you some
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  clues. Let you figure this one out, all right, you know me?
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  So what kind of card? I'm always I have a very clear niche
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  in my cards as far as the baseball cards. So give me. Give
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  me a type of card that you think I likely would buy for somebody.
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  What's the main characteristic, whether that that's a numbered an SP and auto what
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  what? What is it that I'm always buying? I would say, like
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  it's just a beautiful patch or like just some like especially in more colors the
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  better. Like if you can get a patch with like three or four colors
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  on it and you got like all of the Team Jersey colors incorporated into it,
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  that would be my guest from you. All Right, you're on You're
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  on the right track. Here, You're you're on the right track. And
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  then name one of your favorite long lock hair relievers. Who would that be
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  one of your favorite PC relievers with those wonderful, wonderful long locks. That's
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  a good question. I was gonna say when you said long locks. I
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  was thinking maybe my boy won't chi boat or won't beIN chow because he's been
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  rocking the flows. Uh, I mean it's not lance Lynn because you said
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  a reliever. I'm actually I'm not sure who'd you pick up? You gotta
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  go back. Dennis Eckersley, Oh my boy, Dennis, Yes, Dennis,
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  all right. So I've got you a Century Collection leaf two thousand and
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  five out of forty three, because they are forty three in Jersey, hatch
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  card for you. Here. I'm gonna show in the Cardinals jersey in the
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  Cardinals Jersey. I've been looking to get that card for a while. I'm
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  not even kidding. And it's even the patch. And this is what I
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  love about this patch is it's one of the jerseys. It was the you
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  can tell it's the breatheable because it has all little holes in it. And
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  so it's absolutely number twenty eight out of forty three game worn authentic jersey of
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  dens acuracy when he was on the Cardinals. I got I got you a
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  little present here. It's it's it's for you next time I see you.
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  Thank you so happy. One year. I'm disappointed you didn't get me anything.
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  But otherwise we're fine. I mean, uh yeah, we can amend
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  that, I can fix that, we can have But next year, next
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  year, will we'll pick this up on the back end. Yeah, we'll
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  trade back and forth, like what's the what's the traditional second year anniversary for
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  a pod gift? That We'll have to figure that out. It's it's probably
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  like a tops now numbered out of forty nine. Yes, something really bizarre.
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  Okay, well, let's get into some news and notes, and I
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  mean it's all about the All Star break that just happened and closed out last
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  night as the AL took home the game from the NL, which went against
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  what we thought what happened last week. We thought maybe the NL would finally
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  pull one out, but AL came out on top again with Mason Miller picking
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  up the win, Hunter Green the loss, and may class A the save.
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  Jared Duran was the MVP with a monster two run Tator to be able
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  to put the AL into the lead, and that came off of Hunter Green.
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  That's where the loss came from. Mason Miller Like that inning that he
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  threw was absolutely electric. He hit one oh four on the gun and just
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  kind of like really let it air out. That was awesome to watch.
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  Class A was awesome to watch. I really enjoyed the Shoho Tani homer two
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  just because like those are the type of Otani homers that really take my breath
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  away. The one that he hit where immediately when you saw him like crank
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  him back for the swing and you saw the position of that pitch, you're
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  just like that thing's gone, Like he's gonna absolutely annihilate it. And I
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  thought it was a It was a relatively entertaining All Star Game overall, a
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  little bit actually high scoring at five three. Usually they're very low scoring when
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  you have all these pitchers airing it out. And then obviously we had Paul
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  Schemes kicking off the game for the NL starting the game. That was pretty
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  awesome to watch, to be able to see him move through that first inning,
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  and especially MLB loved having him and Livy Dunn around for the all the
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  red carpet events, Like it was a little much as MLB is really trying
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  to write the coattails of live done there. But what were your big takeaways
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  from the All Star Game? What kind of stood out for you and what
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  plays are moments really will you remember from this All Star Game going forward?
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  Yeah, well, I mean there's a few things. First of all,
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  I think we still were right. The National League did win. They won
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  the Celebrities Softball Ball Game and the Futures Game. So two taken two out
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  of three, come on, that's that's okay. And the other downfall for
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  me because I know you weren't in town and even though we're a little ways
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  apart here in Illinois, I had a tornado touchdown about five miles from my
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  house during the All Star Game, So I missed a few innings in the
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  middle of it because well we had to make sure that the house would still
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  be here. But we survived, We made it, and I saw at
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  least six innings instead of and I think I missed somewhere between the sixth and
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  the eighth. But you know, for me, you know, Otani,
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  I mean showing off on the big stage, like taking taking Tanner howk who
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  has just been phenomenal this year, not just taking him deep, like taking
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  him deep, like making him look silly. I mean that that was absolutely
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  impressive to me. You know, I also think there was a lot to
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  be said for what like, as you said, that the young pitching talent.
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  I think that was a big takeaway for me is the number of just
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  young fireballers in there. Mason Miller did look fantastic. To your point,
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  I was excited to see Crochet out there, was excited to see how Spie
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  Spietani taking care of him. There's just a lot to see there of I
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  say, you know, it wasn't your old schooled you know, ten to
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  fifteen years ago, like it's all the big names, Well they're having a
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  good year or now. There's so many great young players and I absolutely absolutely
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  love that. And I have to also call out, you know, Bob
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  Nightingale. I don't know if you if you saw his his tweet after Otani
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  hit his massive home run, and I think what he tweeted out was the
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  last first home run the All Star Game since nineteen ninety four. He got
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  a good razzing over on Twitter for that because he forgot to put by a
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  Dodger in the tweed. Piazza was the last one in nineteen ninety which is
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  crazy considering like this the talent that rolls through Los Angeles that like Mike Piazza
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  in I think it was in ninety six. Yeah, because I found ninety
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  six. Ninety six is when the last Dodger home run was before Otani.
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  Yeah. Actually the teams that are like in last place, Terry Steinbach for
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  the A's back in nineteen eighty eight. That's the last time in Oakland A
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  hit a homer in the All Star Game, and the Diamondbacks had never done
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  it. But that's only since ninety eight, so that's not quite as crazy
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  as nineteen eighty eight. That's a long time. Hey, kntell Mark,
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  I look pretty good. So maybe next year. Maybe next year. So
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  oh, it was. It was. It was a great, you know,
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  All Star game. You know, I do like to feels like they're
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  are actually playing for something where your past that hasn't. I could not stand
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  David Ortiz walking around the field interview and everybody during the game. But I
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  think that's just the gimmick of the game itself. So lots fun, great
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  game. Please please please get different jerseys. Actually, I think that's going
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  to be happening. It did sound like in one of the interviews Manfred did
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  around this All Star Game, he commented that they're already looking into going back
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  to the old way of doing things, where people would or players would show
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  up in where their actual team jersey wrote her home equivalent, and then it's
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  also like it's just great to be able to see that representation for each team
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  as well as like, it was always my favorite part of the All Star
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  Game as a kid, just being able to watch all the players be named,
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  because especially back in the nineties, you know, we didn't have access
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  to MLB dot TV and weren't able to see all these players, and so
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  you saw them through baseball cars, you saw them through pictures here and there
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  in the newspaper or Sports Illustrated, But to be able to like really see
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  that player and see them in that jersey was really It's always been one of
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  my favorite parts. And certainly these jerseys that have all matched and ugly matched
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  have really ruined a lot of that expect because I do think that they'll probably
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  like with the route they'll probably end up going is like they'll wear their home
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  and way jerseys respectively for al n L and then do something in terms of
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  like a funky hat, which I can live with. Yeah, I was
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  actually thinking the opposite. It's gonna be like they with the team their own
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  hat and do something. But like it's gonna be some version of that where
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  they're still showing their team. But I would much rather prefer the jersey.
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  And you know, I actually loved them to have you know, a hat
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  that's you know, clearly m l or ale but still matching their team colors.
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  Like there's a way that or the inverse like have the you know the
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  Yankees hat or on Loon Soto, but it is color coordinated with the rest,
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  Like I think there's fun ways to do it. It's just a jersey
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  snaff foos for the season continues. I mean, I think I saw the
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  comments like it looks like we have a Beer League men's softball team out there
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  with with those things. It was it was something else, but hey,
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  it was a fun game. It was great to see at least the two
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  thirds that I saw, and I'll have to go back and catch it in
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  six through eight later. Luckily not much happened during those endings. Yeah,
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  you didn't miss a whole ton that that's sexually like when none of the scoring
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  happened, So you didn't miss out on a lot there. But yeah,
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  also with the All Star Game, we obviously had the home run derby with
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  Tiascar, Hernandez beating out Bobby Witt in the last round, which I think
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  that was the most dramatic part of the evening, with Bobby Witt Junior going
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  into those extra swings and hitting the last ball up against the left center field
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  wall, you know, just literally a foot short from being able to tie
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  up to Oscar Hernandez, but also mercifully at that point, I was kind
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  of ready for it to be over. It was a very long home run
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  derby with the new format, And I'll get your opinion here in a little
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  bit, but I'll share mine first in terms of, like I thought it
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  was good. I think I liked it, but it did drag a little
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  bit early on, especially with those bonus balls after your three minutes, that
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  it did feel like maybe if I had to tweak it going forward again,
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  that I would keep the same format open in the beginning, no tournament in
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  terms of like having the eight players go and get their thirty forty pitches or
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  whatever it was in the three minutes and then no bonus time after that.
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  Maybe like you get like some sort of bonus for extra length in your homer
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  but I do feel like if you're just kind of making that more straightforward process.
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  Saving the bonus balls for that playoff format, I think works better once
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  you get into the semi final and final, because I think what we also
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  saw during the home run derby was that guys were getting tired after having to
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  hit all those balls in the first round and get through that three minute stretch.
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  That a lot of them were able to focus more on the bonus balls
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  when they got to the semi final and final. And I think it can
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  work in that situation. It creates the drama, but I don't know if
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  you necessarily need it in that first round. Yeah, I think you hit
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  one of the big things that was the players got tired. It was a
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  lot, and I do think they just come by almost too many elements.
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  It's like called the speed round at the beginning. Then you have the three
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  outs and then if you get a long ball, then you get another.
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  Like it was just a little too much for me, and I'm gonna throw
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  a proposal out there. I would love to see them. I love the
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  format. I actually love the format of open first round and then kind of
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  going into the into the kind of head to head after that. I'd like
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  to see that first round just be the the three minutes already, you know
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  pitches that that is what it is. Once that's done, that's all you
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  get, like go through that and then i'd like to see them switch when
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  they gets ahead to head go back to the old school ten outs. I'd
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  like to see them completely flip that back because guys were getting so tired.
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  I'd like to see them kind of relax, get a chance, but put
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  a timer on it. Still put a timer on it, Like you get
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  ten outs, but you can't go more than you know, five minutes or
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  something. I don't know what it is, because you can't just take seventeen
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  pitches because you're you know, pitching coach can't throw. But i'd like to
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  see that because I think that's when you, you know, you really get
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  into this relaxed flow. You start to see the real big long balls in
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  there, like you get to really see them see that power, and they're
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  just not exhausting themselves with all those swings. So you know, I didn't
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  I think it was I thought it was exciting and I kind of liked to
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  better in some formats we've had in the past. I'm glad that they made
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  some changes. And the other thing i'd like to see is some way and
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  what with my proposal, I'm hoping this goes there is Like I think there's
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  you're just not getting as bigger the names get into that Home Run Derby as
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  you have in the past, just because it's a lot, it's a big
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  commitment and you know, you Shoheo Tani doesn't want to risk getting hurts.
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  You know, you know, Juan Soto is not gonna gonna go after it.
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  It's just not worth his time. Like it's so no offense to ta
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  Oscar Hernandez or Bohm or you know, anybody in that that range. But
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  like, man, we we didn't have some of the guys I would like
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  to see in that in that derby, So I'd like to see a little
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  more exclusivity coming back to the derbyan future years. Not sure how we get
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  there, but it was fun all around, yeah, And I mean I
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  do think that it is also just really funny that, like Pete Alonzo the
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  Home Run Derby King like bombed out so early, and I think it was
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  a bummer putting Marcelo Zuna on that stage, Like it just didn't feel great
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  trying to watch that. In terms of I mean, he's at a DUI
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  and a domestic violence issue that like it's not exactly some way I want to
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  be putting on that sort of stage where like it's very much like he's the
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  only thing going on in baseball for those three minutes when he's hitting, you
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  know, Like I just I don't feel right ever watching marcels Yeah, and
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  I can't ever like I'm impressed by like being able to for those announcers to
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  even just like hold it together that I I guess I don't know if I
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  can like quite put that mask on. And part of it too is like
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  Gunner really did not show up for this. Gunner Henderson did not play his
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  part in the home run derby in terms of like being that star power,
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  And so I mean I do think that like with the game getting younger and
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  younger, that will constantly have new stars kind of come through. And even
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  like Alec Bohm really impressed me. You know, he's never been a huge
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  home run hitter, but you can just see with his big lovers that it
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  worked in this format. So I think there's a possibility that we can find
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  new stars to kind of keep things fresh. If you know, Aaron Judge.
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  You know, Tanie don't want to do it every year, but it's
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  just gonna also require some of those new stars to play along and actually make
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  sure that they do their part. Yeah, I mean, let me throw
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  another suggestion, she just because it's fun. You know what if you had
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  kind of a veterans versus you know, future stars type type of format here,
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  and I'm just looking at home run leaders here, and if you would
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  have had thinking of your names, you had Aaron Judge, you had Jose
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  Ramirez, Ralfie Devers and Juan Soto on one side, and on the other
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  side you had Gunner Henderson. I think you can say, o, Tani
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  from from a young Gun perspective, maybe bring in a Alec Bohm and Nolan
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  Gorman and Elie de la Cruz like on the other side, like they have
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  to go against each other, and then the winner of the Young Guns heads
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  off against the the you know the error Judge. Let's be honest, if
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  he's if he's in there, we know where that's going. I think that,
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  you know, again, another way to really get some that young talent
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  on the big stage would be would be fun to watch. Yeah, I
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  think that would make a nice little interesting twist as well. It's like,
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  yeah, if there was some sort of team aspect to it, because it
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  did also feel like when this came into the prime time the home Run Derby,
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  it was much more of like a rivalry between Ale and and all,
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  partly because you know, there wasn't constant interleague and there actually like was just
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  not very much mixed mixing between the teams until you got into the World Series,
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  and so the All Star Game did feel more combative then I think it
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  does nowadays, which I don't know if it's necessarily like a good or a
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  bad thing, because I do like also seeing all these stars having good time
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  joking around meeting new people. Yeah, Like I saw one clip where,
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  like some of the social media going around where they were asking younger All Stars
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  like what celebrity would impress them the most that they met, and C.
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  J. Abrams's answer was actually O Tani And so like there's a lot of
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  that going around too, where there's just players impressed by other players, and
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  so yeah, I think if they can find some way to maybe like create
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  some extra drama through like what you said in terms of like stars versus bets
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  or al versus NL or some other sort of format maybe like right handed versus
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  left handed or something they could create another twist and yeah, Paul Ridy and
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  left he hitting at the same time. Yeah, yeah, both slinging at
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  the same time. There's some kid, little kidney outfit'll just getting taken out.
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  But yeah, Rob Manfred, if you if you need some ideas,
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  you know where to reach us. It is at cards categories at gmail dot
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  com. Does he live in Denmark? Sorry? All right. The other
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  big thing that we had happened over this past week is the MLB Draft,
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  and so I think we'll go into maybe a little bit deeper dive into next
• 23:11
  week because like I the like full results aren't even in Baseball Reference yet,
• 23:18
  so like that's actually kind of like a hallmark of the summer for me in
• 23:22
  terms of like sorting back through in dynasty rankings and trying to find new players
• 23:26
  to add to those watch lists. Because one of the things that I've always
• 23:32
  leveraged is I forget who did this study, but they did a study at
• 23:36
  some point where like the younger side of the high schoolers really perform better,
• 23:41
  like over the arc of their career, like Carl's career is a good example
• 23:44
  of this, where he came into the draft really young, and you can
• 23:47
  like really see it when you get into the Baseball Reference draft pages in terms
• 23:51
  of, like some of these high schoolers are coming out and they're actually like
• 23:53
  nineteen and some are like seventeen and a half, and like that makes a
• 23:59
  huge difference in terms of their development that you know, if you think about
• 24:02
  it. Obviously a nineteen year old would beating up high school competition a lot
• 24:06
  more so than a seventeen year old who's still kind of developing. So I
• 24:10
  really love doing that after each draft. But Baseball Reference doesn't have it even
• 24:15
  all loaded in right now, and even like Fangrafts, they're still tabulating their
• 24:19
  second and third day result analysis. So I figured we can focus mostly on
• 24:25
  the top end of the draft here, which had Travis Bizana from Oregon State
• 24:29
  going to Cleveland with the number one pick. Then the Red surprise everybody by
• 24:36
  not taking Charlie Condon, so Charlie Condon falls to the Rockies at third,
• 24:40
  which I think we can also start maybe even doing this analysis that Charlie Condon's
• 24:47
  got to be like the number one overall player in a first year player draft.
• 24:49
  Now, right, because like you're putting that type of bat in Coors
• 24:53
  Field, the ceiling just becomes astronomical. Yeah, you're right, you can't
• 25:00
  not take him, but it does not feel right because it's the Rockies.
• 25:03
  Like it's one of those I'm like, I feel like I'm setting myself up
• 25:06
  for heartburn for the next five years. But at the same point, like
• 25:10
  of anybody to be put in that scenario, like Conton's like the guy that
• 25:15
  was the perfect match for the Rockies, and you know, it's just it
• 25:19
  would be amazing to see what he can do there. I was very surprised
• 25:23
  that the Reds did not take him. At the same time, I for
• 25:27
  the Reds taking Chase Burns, who is probably the most ready pitcher in the
• 25:33
  draft, high end potential, top of the front line starter for a team
• 25:37
  that's got all this young hitting talent and questionable on the pitching side. I
• 25:42
  can see what the Reds are trying to do because the Conton's probably a few
• 25:45
  years away. He still had he's got some work to do, and you
• 25:52
  know, with the Rockies three four years away, maybe just the way that
• 25:56
  I liked to do things. So yeah, I think you're right. First
• 26:00
  your player drafts, is Condon with Azana not too far behind him, is
• 26:03
  probably going to be where where you're starting. Yeah, I think I am
• 26:08
  on board there too, And I mean I think my number three is actually
• 26:11
  the guy who fell seventh to the Cardinals, who lots of people had penciled
• 26:17
  in as like a top two or three pick. And I know fangrafts and
• 26:22
  baseball perspectives had Condon and Bazana and the Cardinals pick JJ Weatherholt as like their
• 26:29
  own kind of tier at the top. That it's kind of crazy that he
• 26:32
  fell down to the Cardinals as the As skipped over him, they took Nick
• 26:37
  Kurtz, the Socks skipped over him taking Hagen Smith, which I absolutely hated,
• 26:41
  like I in any other situation for the White Sox or any other team,
• 26:47
  like maybe Hagen Smith would would make sense there at the number five pick.
• 26:49
  But the White Sox don't need another like weird slot lefty, and they
• 26:56
  need a bat like they should have taken who went six, which is Jack
• 27:00
  cagleone to the Royals. I think that was another steal. But certainly weather
• 27:03
  Holt going to the Cardinals that seven sets them up really wonderfully because you don't
• 27:10
  need him to play shortstop. That Mason win has that held down, He's
• 27:15
  got the defense, and you can just let weather Holt. I think the
• 27:18
  reason maybe he dropped a little bit was because of his injury history. But
• 27:22
  you can mitigate that a little bit if you're able to slot him in at
• 27:26
  second base. You know, yeah, I I'm right there with you.
• 27:29
  Like the second the a's to Connitt Kurtz like you're just like you could almost
• 27:33
  see the path, like it it's gonna be a very good shot. The
• 27:37
  weather Hoolt falls to the Cardinals, Who's a team that wanted They wanted Weatherholt.
• 27:41
  They were excited about him, and he you know, if it hadn't
• 27:44
  been for that injury, he probably would have been I think he already was
• 27:45
  in discussion for first overall. I think he would have been a very very
• 27:51
  high likelihood that he would have been that top overall pick. And you know,
• 27:55
  the Cardinals say that they they've looked at him very closely, have zero
• 27:59
  concerns from a or ability perspective. So they're drafting just like I do.
• 28:03
  So it's you know, it's it's it'll be interesting to see. But I
• 28:07
  think there's a good chance the weather Hold is maybe the best hitter that comes
• 28:10
  out of this pure hitter that comes out of the class. Condon probably from
• 28:15
  a power perspective to be hard, and Bazana is going to be very very
• 28:18
  good as well. You also have to remember that this draft class is not
• 28:22
  the highest quality in general of drafting classes. You got spoiled last year for
• 28:26
  sure. Yeah, and so you know, it's it's kind of hard when
• 28:30
  you look year over year. I really think once you got past that first
• 28:34
  seven, like there was a pretty significant drop after after the Cardinals picked,
• 28:41
  and you know, as you started looking at some of the prep prep guys
• 28:45
  things like that, it's just the excitement wasn't quite quite there. Maybe a
• 28:49
  little bit excitement when the Mariners took a switch switch pitching pitcher. Uh,
• 28:55
  that's exactly where I was going to go next, because it's really great when
• 28:57
  you're going through the uh the actual like rundown and you see a guy on
• 29:03
  the bats throws on the MLB Draft tracker and it's an S S and that
• 29:08
  is I'm gonna butcher this so bad Gerangelo Kajente or I don't know how I'm
• 29:18
  it's not on Baseball Reference and so I don't know exactly how to pronounce that,
• 29:22
  but he is a switch pitcher from Mississippi State. I'm just gonna call
• 29:26
  him Durangelo because that's also that feels great rolling off the tongue. That's going
• 29:30
  to be fascinating to watch to see if he actually does get a shot to
• 29:34
  prove that he can switch pitch. And the other I think fascinating thing we'll
• 29:40
  see is whether or not Caglione sticks as a to a player in terms of
• 29:45
  pitching and hitting. Right now, obviously, the both of those franchises and
• 29:51
  the Royals and the Mariners want to tell that their new picks, you know,
• 29:53
  they're going to give them every shot. But we'll see how long that
• 29:56
  lasts for both of those guys. And because of that though, I mean,
• 30:00
  if Kaglione continues to be a two way player and like the Royals really
• 30:07
  commit to it, I mean, he's another player who I think I've probably
• 30:12
  gotten fourth in a first year player draft, behind who we talked about,
• 30:17
  because I'm not totally sure kagleone has the arm to pitch, but if he
• 30:22
  starts coming through like he could end up being the most fantasy relevant player out
• 30:26
  of this draft pretty easily. If he turns into some sort of power hitter
• 30:30
  relievers, I think where the route would go with him. Yeah, I
• 30:34
  think Kagleon's probably one of the highest variability from an outcome players that you have
• 30:40
  in here, because he he has crazy power and he's a very good pitcher.
• 30:44
  But he also is a pretty free swinger, like doesn't necessarily swing anything
• 30:51
  in the zone. He swings a little bit of everything anywhere and then makes
• 30:53
  really solid contact. So I think he's one of those that I you know,
• 30:57
  I could argue that if you're wanting to upside go with him. But
• 31:00
  if you're sitting here going, hey, I want I want somebody that I
• 31:03
  know is going to make an impact, I'm probably gonna bump them down a
• 31:06
  few spots maybe between behind you know, the two pictures there with Burns and
• 31:10
  Smith. But either way, like I I'll say, and I'm probably I'm
• 31:14
  throwing Kurts out. Like, don't get me wrong, Kurts is pretty pretty
• 31:18
  good. And wake Forest had to be thrilled with all the guys they had
• 31:22
  going in this draft because I think three of the top ten, yeah,
• 31:27
  we should have just unheard of, so they should have probably done better as
• 31:32
  a team, but I mean they were good all season, just like,
• 31:36
  yeah, baseball playoffs is a crap shoot, man, it absolutely is.
• 31:40
  But hey, it was a fun draft. I loved the Baseball draft relative
• 31:45
  to like the NFL Draft or anything like that, because they actually they can
• 31:48
  get through the draft, like I don't know how much of it you actually
• 31:52
  watched live, Like they're pumping through these picks and I just to sit in
• 31:57
  one of the rooms and see how much they went through, like, you
• 32:04
  know, I being a Cardinals fan, I've read a lot about the Cardinals
• 32:07
  prep and how different it was for them to prep for having a top pick
• 32:10
  rather than back of the back of the first round. And I think they
• 32:15
  literally just didn't know what to do when they realized whether it was going to
• 32:17
  fall to them, because they did not know they're pick till it like eighty
• 32:21
  so it was like, well, no brainer and go home for the night,
• 32:24
  guys type of thing. But I did love the fact that, you
• 32:29
  know, Manfred was getting through like every like five minutes or less, there
• 32:32
  was an announcement old player and teams were just absolutely on top of it.
• 32:37
  So it was fun to watch. I absolutely love love the draft. And
• 32:42
  there's gonna be a few names. We'll get into it. Like as you
• 32:44
  said here, not too too long, but I'm gonna put you on the
• 32:49
  spot and you can defer, but give me give me one name later down
• 32:53
  the draft. Later down the draft can be later for a S round something
• 32:57
  like that that you're kind of excited and maybe keeping an eye on as you
• 33:00
  kind of get into the first year player drafts. Who is kind of jumping
• 33:06
  out of you as a guy that you might want to invest a little bit
• 33:09
  in that maybe isn't jumping out to everybody else. Yeah, I mean,
• 33:13
  especially like I try to look through and find guys that could be quicker movers
• 33:19
  coming through systems. And I do think actually, like even though you were
• 33:25
  just dogging the A's and their pick with Kurtz there Tommy White going later in
• 33:32
  the in the first day in the second round to Oakland. I've always liked
• 33:38
  watching Tommy White play at LSU during college baseball season, and he has a
• 33:44
  great feel for hitting and just like he's a ballplayer, Like he's like a
• 33:50
  very classic like Todd Fraziery third baseman, where like I think there is a
• 33:54
  path where because he was there for so long and let's see, he is
• 34:00
  is twenty one, So it just the way that his game has developed over
• 34:06
  the years at ELSEU, I don't know if Whites got too much more to
• 34:10
  be able to add to his game, and so I wouldn't be surprised to
• 34:14
  maybe see the athletics push him along quickly, and because of that, I
• 34:19
  think you can move him up a little bit more in first year player drafts
• 34:22
  relative to where he was drafted. Part of it, too, is like
• 34:25
  the way that this draft went is lots of teams kind of in the middle
• 34:31
  ish rounds or like middleish picks of the first round, after like Tennis,
• 34:37
  started taking underslot guys to be able to try to save money to go into
• 34:42
  the second you can see it like in the second round and the comp picks,
• 34:45
  there's a lot more high schoolers to start going because they can take the
• 34:49
  money that they saved from that first round pick, you know, pay them
• 34:52
  a little bit less than their slot, and then use that money to try
• 34:55
  to convince a high schooler to not go to their college commitment. So because
• 35:00
  of that, it looks like Tommy White I think fell more than what he
• 35:05
  could actually be. And he's also going to be one of those guys where
• 35:07
  you're going through and looking at like those Spangrass rankings, those Baseball Perspectives rankings,
• 35:12
  Baseball America rankings, the actual like future value on him is going to
• 35:16
  be lower than what it will be for fantasy because he's bat first over glove
• 35:22
  and so because of that, I think he's like that type of player where
• 35:28
  it reminds me a little bit of like when Patrick Wisdom was like running hot,
• 35:30
  you know what I mean, where you're like, the war is terrible,
• 35:34
  but like from a fantasy perspective, it can work because the power is
• 35:37
  so tremendous. Yeah, you're not wrong there, So hey, I have
• 35:42
  to I have to throw one out as well, because you know, I
• 35:45
  only asked you because I had somebody yes too serious. So I'm gonna go
• 35:50
  to the exact opposite of the spectrum, becase you're talking about guy's moves quick,
• 35:52
  I'm gonna go with probably the best left hand from the draft to drop
• 35:57
  to twenty four, which is the of Kim Camminetti, which was cam Camanetti
• 36:02
  coming out of Arizona High School. And we're talking about a left handed that
• 36:07
  actually reclassified to get into this year's draft at a seventeen rather than the next
• 36:12
  year's draft, so we graduated early to get into the draft. He throws
• 36:15
  like ninety eight and he has a lineage, he can really spin the ball,
• 36:20
  and he went to Atlanta. I mean, you're talking about a team
• 36:24
  that's been taking high draft picks pitchers and they're seeming to work out, and
• 36:29
  they're moving them fast through the system. You're talking about a seventeen year old
• 36:32
  here that they can actually go slightly slower with. We're talking about the guy
• 36:37
  that's going to be up by the time he's twenty, and he's going to
• 36:39
  be just blowing gas. And so he's you know, he probably fell due
• 36:44
  to concerns from against maybe a sign ability perspective. You know, a lot
• 36:47
  of folks had him as a top ten, top fifteen type of talent,
• 36:52
  and he dropped a little bit down further. So I think that's people are
• 36:53
  kind of kind of looked past him based on age, based on being a
• 36:59
  little further down the draft. But I absolutely love high upside fireballer, big
• 37:04
  four pitch mix going to the Braves. There's nothing else that you want with
• 37:08
  a team that can develop pitching like that. Yeah, and I mean he
• 37:12
  was actually in consideration when you asked me that question that it's the same sort
• 37:16
  of thing where I mean, just look at how quickly they moved A.
• 37:20
  J. Smith Shaver and Kristin Waldrip and Spencer Schwellenbach through that system. That
• 37:24
  they seem to really have a skill than Atlanta of identifying young pitchers, honing
• 37:30
  in that arsenal quickly, and then moving them along so that they're ready to
• 37:35
  fire away in the major leagues. Okay, Well, one other topic that
• 37:40
  we have, well, actually I kind of buried this lead the entire time
• 37:44
  too. I was so excited about the anniversary and getting into all these All
• 37:46
  Star festivities that we are talking about twenty twenty four tops Chrome today. That's
• 37:52
  going to be our bigger deep dive. But along with that, we've got
• 37:57
  one more kind of bit of baseball card news, and that was I'll link
• 38:00
  to this in the show notes. Everything else that we discuss is always in
• 38:04
  the show notes, and that is did you see Matt Strom's belt from the
• 38:08
  All Star Game? That what he did is he I'm not sure like who
• 38:15
  made this for him, but they took a bunch of his baseball cards fashioned
• 38:19
  it into a belt. Lots of them are commons. I think there was
• 38:22
  like maybe one or two refractors, but the like piece to resist Dance is
• 38:29
  like right on the buckle. It's actually the Golden Mirror short print is like
• 38:34
  he's got one of those like into the belt. So like he had to
• 38:36
  go and hunt one of those down and get into the belt because yeah,
• 38:39
  certainly all those common cards weren't that hard to do. And I saw an
• 38:44
  interview with him that that was what he was most excited about too, that
• 38:46
  that's actually his own personal favorite card of his is that Golden Mirror short print.
• 38:52
  So I just thought that that was especially cool, kind of blending everything
• 38:57
  that we love about baseball together and it's a pretty it's a slick belt.
• 39:01
  I hope that he makes use of it, And like where is it during
• 39:04
  the regular season as well? Yeah, well there's there's actually uh and I
• 39:07
  don't know if it's where he got it from or not, but there's actually
• 39:09
  a website called card belts dot com and they make belts for different teams out
• 39:16
  of cards. Uh, you know, they're cool seventy dollars, but you
• 39:22
  know, that's that seems to you, you know, I'm just looking at
• 39:24
  one for the Dodgers here. As to your point, it's all it's mostly
• 39:28
  common cards and things like that, but it just it's they're one of a
• 39:30
  kind, basically art that you can have, and uh, when you actually
• 39:35
  go to look at purchase one, it actually tells you the list of all
• 39:37
  the players that are on the belt. And so this Dodgers one, I
• 39:40
  had asked some Austome Barnes, Clayton Kershaw, Cody belt and her David Price,
• 39:45
  you know, on and on on all the way through Oral Hirscheiser and
• 39:47
  uh, you know our favorite Gary Carter. So there's all kinds of kind
• 39:52
  of fun things there. So so I'm guessing that's where where he went got
• 39:55
  his custom belt made. But hey, card belts dot Com shout out,
• 40:01
  we do not have a sponsorship deal yet, but hey there's always a chance.
• 40:07
  Yeah he must have. And oh man, they have so many crazy
• 40:10
  belts on here. They have a Mustaches and all Mustaches belt. They have
• 40:17
  Desert Storm belts from this is like a very infamous set in card collecting,
• 40:22
  like Around the Desert Storm, the First Desert Storm War, like the first
• 40:27
  War in Iraq, of like the big political players. They made trading cards
• 40:30
  of them, and like the most absurd card from that set is a Saddam
• 40:35
  Hussein card. So I don't know if that's featured on any of these belts,
• 40:39
  but I can see it looks like this one's got Dick Cheney on it,
• 40:44
  most likely, I think, so. Yeah, lots of lots of
• 40:47
  Maybe you know, if you like your belt to come with some war criminals.
• 40:52
  Card belts dot Com got you hooked up. I'm just trying to figure
• 40:54
  out if I can go to work tomorrow with one of these belts on what
• 40:58
  somebody's gonna say? I think you should pick the garbage pale kids belt.
• 41:01
  Then you're that seems more work appropriate. It probably does. It's there's I
• 41:07
  don't know, the mustache belt, that's that funny glasses. There's some good
• 41:13
  stuff here. So we need to move on because I'm going to buy a
• 41:16
  belt. Yeah, this is not good. Let's move on to We had
• 41:21
  one addition to the sports card, the baseball card release calendar that was added
• 41:29
  since we last talked, and that was Top's Finus is coming out on August
• 41:31
  seventh. So that's a pretty quick turnaround here. As we are talking on
• 41:36
  July seventeenth, with the TOPS Chrome release date today, otherwise still the same
• 41:42
  sets that are coming out in August, with Panini Boys a Summer on the
• 41:45
  twenty first, Panini Prism on the twenty eighth, and Donris Shelved as a
• 41:50
  TBD. But that is going to be a quick turnaround in terms of,
• 41:52
  like usually there's a bigger gap between Chrome coming out and Finance coming out,
• 41:57
  so they're really coming out rapid fire, and I think a lot of it's
• 42:01
  going to also be they were trying to capitalize on the Jackson Holliday rookie card
• 42:07
  craze and hoping that he would really be cruising along in Major League Baseball right
• 42:10
  now, because you can see on like all the finest stuff that they're really
• 42:15
  featuring that Jackson Holiday card. And obviously Elie de la Cruz is gonna end
• 42:21
  up being the face of TOPS Chrome twenty twenty four, so you could see
• 42:24
  where they're trying to stagger and make this all work out. It's just kind
• 42:28
  of maybe not falling white into the order that Tops was planning when they put
• 42:34
  all these sets together. Yeah, that is is unfortunate, but hey,
• 42:38
  I absolutely TOPS Finance is just a great product, So it'll be kind of
• 42:44
  fun to see, you know, how how well that one plays through,
• 42:47
  and you know, stands up against some of those historic sets that Finance has
• 42:52
  always had, and the design this year looks, you know, almost I
• 42:54
  have to say, fire esque Tops Funk fire esque. So maybe they're going
• 43:00
  a hint there, but definitely going to be a set driven by some big
• 43:05
  names like Ala Moto, to your point, Holiday, Dela Cruz. So
• 43:08
  I hope to grab some, but I'm guessing this one's a pretty pricey set,
• 43:14
  if I if I recall, like almost all sets these days, Yeah,
• 43:19
  I don't know what the actual pre order came in at because they're out
• 43:23
  of stock and I can't see the pricing. Oh yeah, sure, it's
• 43:27
  fifty for a box. Yeah, that is rough because you don't get very
• 43:30
  many cards in a Finance box. You only get sixty total cards autos with
• 43:35
  two autos. But that's that is pricey because it's usually been a tick under
• 43:39
  two hundred traditionally. Yep. There we are, thank you Tops, yep.
• 43:45
  And with that, I mean we're going to keep the theme I think
• 43:47
  of over priced cards going. When we return from this break to top or
• 43:53
  talk twenty twenty four Tops Chrome. So stick around and we're going to take
• 43:59
  a short break and be back. All right, Welcome back, everybody.
• 44:20
  We are going to do an overview of twenty twenty four Tops Chrome, which
• 44:23
  is releasing today as we talk on July seventeenth. So we've been sorting through
• 44:30
  Twitter and read it and seeing like all the hits that have been coming through
• 44:32
  out there, and I mean, I think if you want to get some
• 44:37
  of our thoughts on the overall design from the twenty four sets, certainly go
• 44:42
  back to when we discuss Top Series one back in March or February Winter was
• 44:47
  released, because that's what they are using as the base design here for Tops
• 44:52
  Chrome per usual. But the difference is obviously moving it into a chrome finish
• 44:58
  and what Tops is here as well as being able to incorporate a lot of
• 45:01
  the really hot rookies into the actual base checklist as well. So you've got
• 45:07
  all of the big guys in terms of Elie de la Cruz and Jackson Holiday
• 45:14
  and Mason Win. For us, we got a level a little bit of
• 45:17
  Mason Win and that will really allow people to find something to chase, because
• 45:24
  yeah, it's gonna cost you a pretty penny they start ripping some of these
• 45:28
  items, and we were discussing during the break a little bit some of the
• 45:31
  breaks that we've seen out there and how maybe they're struggling to fill up a
• 45:37
  little bit because of some of the price points as well. Because what it's
• 45:42
  come down to is we've got the highest price per a blaster box we've ever
• 45:45
  had for a tops Chrome product. It's forty bucks for a blaster and that
• 45:51
  gets you twenty eight total cards. So you're paying forty bucks for twenty eight
• 45:57
  cards, that's not even including tax, and you're getting just a pithy two
• 46:01
  Sepia two pink refractors, both unnumbered guaranteed in there. If you're looking for
• 46:07
  a jumbo box where you're actually guaranteed three autographs, that's going to cost you
• 46:14
  four hundred bucks this year. And that was traditionally clocking in somewhere around the
• 46:17
  three hundred dish to three fifty range. It has been climbing more and more
• 46:22
  over the years, but I think traditionally it has been closer to three hundred
• 46:28
  than ever at this three ninety nine price. A regular old hobby box one
• 46:32
  autograph two hundred dollars. That is rough, rough, rough, As we're
• 46:37
  trying to also look at some of these odds, we'll get into some of
• 46:42
  the checklists and like what you can actually maybe get with some of those autographs
• 46:46
  as well. That makes this a little bit of a tough product. But
• 46:50
  what are your thoughts overall on this pricing and where, like I think that
• 46:55
  this might actually be pushing us to the point where like it might be tough
• 47:00
  for tops to move some of this stuff because like they've kind of killed like
• 47:05
  the supply and demand price point. You know, yeah, they are pushing
• 47:09
  this one. Like I think we've talked about before that it feels like chrome
• 47:14
  is starting to creep into the Bowman type area where you almost can't access it
• 47:20
  because if you want to actually if you want to be a collector and build
• 47:22
  out the set of chrome things like that, you've got to buy multiple of
• 47:28
  these boxes to get there, and it is gonna be tough, and you
• 47:32
  know, the the values is gonna be so heavily based in the hits.
• 47:39
  But at the same time, nobody's gonna want to let those singles go because
• 47:43
  man, I paid so much for a box, and so it's gonna be
• 47:45
  really interesting to see how the secondary market starts to react. And I have
• 47:52
  a feeling based on what I've seen with parallels and stuff, this thing's up
• 47:54
  produced quite well. I haven't seen how it's produced against his uh years in
• 48:00
  the past, but I have a feeling it's it's it's up there. It's
• 48:05
  it's done pretty well. Because I do say the cards look nice. The
• 48:08
  cards, I know, you know, we were kind of mixed on the
• 48:13
  the actual design for the paper in the series one, series two, but
• 48:17
  the chrome's chrome looks pretty good, especially the refractors. That that design is
• 48:22
  working a lot better, it feels like in the in the chromes. So
• 48:24
  excited about that. I think there's a few cool new parallels as well this
• 48:30
  time around, so I think there's a lot of excitement. But to your
• 48:32
  point, I think, you know, if you're gonna if you're gonna be
• 48:35
  getting chrome, if you're not a big big deep pockets here, I think
• 48:42
  you're you're gonna be haveing to focus on the either value box here there,
• 48:45
  which even at forty bucks, that's that's pretty pretty tough. You're you're gonna
• 48:50
  have to be looking at potentially uh, you know, fat packs or hangars
• 48:54
  as we get to that point in time. But most likely I think it
• 48:58
  breaks. I think it's gonna have to be layer breaks specifically, is where
• 49:01
  you're going to have to go. You know, be clear, you're not
• 49:06
  going to go after Elie de la Cruz on Jackson Holiday and player breaks because
• 49:09
  that that's just insane. If you want to talk about overpaying, that's where
• 49:14
  to go. But I think if you if you're PC in a player something
• 49:17
  like that, that's probably your best bet is to get into a pretty hefty
• 49:22
  box break and be looking to get your your PC guy. That's that's where
• 49:28
  the wins are going to be with Tops Chrome, at least from my perspective.
• 49:32
  Yeah, exactly, And it does look like top our Boy Tops production
• 49:36
  BB on Twitter has calculated the twenty twenty four odds here and in terms of
• 49:45
  just like total number of cards out there, So every base card's got one
• 49:49
  hundred and forty six, two hundred and fifty three base card, two hundred
• 49:52
  and fifty two base cards out there, and it goes down refractors about fourteen
• 49:59
  thousand. You're looking at around fifty six hundred each of the Sepian pinks that
• 50:05
  we were talking about negative refractors, This is still like something where I do
• 50:10
  pick these up. There's only three hundred and ninety six of each of the
• 50:15
  negative refractors out there. Those are very very rare. That I was reading
• 50:21
  earlier, there's technically not like pase hits in this product the way that they
• 50:24
  produced it, So I mean that would traditionally be kind of like a case
• 50:29
  hit, but it is something where if you find that out in the wild,
• 50:34
  any sort of negative refractor, I tuck those away because I think those
• 50:38
  have the potential to turn into something longer term, because there's just not very
• 50:43
  many out there and people will lose track of them. But yes, I
• 50:46
  will link to those odds in the show notes so that you can check them
• 50:53
  out yourself and kind of get into all the inserts as well too, Like
• 50:58
  this is a very insert heavy product, I think, even more so than
• 51:01
  it has been in the past. As somebody who has put together master sets
• 51:07
  of tops Chrome or I used to do refractor sets of Tops Chrome every year.
• 51:12
  Certainly really difficult to do that this year just because of the price point,
• 51:15
  because it required ripping a few jumbo boxes and then trying to buy in
• 51:20
  on lots. But as you said, it's going to be difficult, I
• 51:22
  think, to get some of the lots of twenty twenty four tops Chrome purchase
• 51:27
  for yourself off of eBay, because I think people, you know, if
• 51:30
  they're out there ripping blaster boxes and paying a dollar twenty per card, they're
• 51:35
  going to try to recruit some of their costs and it's just going to raise
• 51:37
  those prices across the board initially and it until I think. I do think
• 51:44
  that some of this stuff is going to be destined for maybe some sales recks
• 51:49
  here and there, especially if we have some of the big cards like the
• 51:52
  one of one Jackson Holidays, the one of one Ellie's Let come out here
• 51:57
  pretty soon, it's going to certainly d grade, just like the overall products,
• 52:01
  because I mean just looking at these odds too, like there's no way
• 52:07
  that this retail product, the blaster side, is ever going to be worth
• 52:13
  the forty dollars price point. Yeah, I agree, And you know,
• 52:16
  the other morning I'll give you is you know, we're we're talking about this
• 52:21
  on release day and don't buy anything, especially singles on release day. I
• 52:28
  was just kind of looking at, you know, some of the prices of
• 52:30
  sold cards on release day. I was actually surprised to see something like the
• 52:34
  Elle Rookies and things like that, only being like ten to fifteen bucks.
• 52:37
  But you're running out here and just seeing like inserts of Otani for this nineteen
• 52:44
  eighty nine insert for ten dollars, you know, just the base insert you're
• 52:49
  seeing, you know, any little prism refractors, things like that. Just
• 52:53
  the prices are already jumping down. Moto's prison refractor going for like twenty dollars.
• 53:00
  It's a little bit, let's say, all over the place, and
• 53:04
  so you want to be careful when you when you jump out there, especially
• 53:07
  on that first day release day, and things are going to be going pretty
• 53:10
  pricey. There's also gonna be some deals out there. Don't get me wrong,
• 53:14
  There's gonna be some deals because people don't know where to price, especially
• 53:16
  things like the negative. So it's definitely a cautionary tale of getting out there
• 53:22
  when there's a new release like Top Chrome, because there's gonna be some fun
• 53:27
  deals, but there's gonna be a lot of price inflation that you have to
• 53:30
  be careful with. Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, Well I hinted at the
• 53:35
  very large insert checklist, and we've got some repeats from what we've had in
• 53:40
  previous years. So obviously we've got the nineteen eighty nine inserts that line up
• 53:45
  with what was released with all of the base tops. You've got repeats of
• 53:52
  the traditional future Stars checklist. You've got the repeat of the Ultraviolet short prints
• 54:00
  from last year that were very popular. That's actually I really like these.
• 54:05
  They're really like Goofy in terms of really bright colors and then cartoonish drawings of
• 54:10
  these big stars. So Ellie's going to be the big anchor there from the
• 54:15
  Ultra Violet set, but I think that Otani and the Dodgers is going to
• 54:17
  be a pretty significant chase as well. You have Youthquake back as well too,
• 54:22
  which little surprised they went that route because some of those wonder Franco youthquakes
• 54:28
  have turned into quite the gross little card over time. But you've also got
• 54:34
  the repeat from the nineteen ninety nine Tops Chrome set, which I like it
• 54:37
  when they do rerun stuff from the nineties. I mean, it's just like
• 54:42
  a nostalgia factor, especially for us in terms of they went back and brought
• 54:46
  back the all Etch inserts, so those will have a very strong nineties just
• 54:54
  designed to them in the way that they look, and I think that's great,
• 55:00
  Like I want them to The one that I really want them to bring
• 55:01
  back is like the Hall of Fame bound ones, which have like aged really
• 55:06
  funnily from the nineties, especially given like how many steroid users were in that
• 55:10
  set. So it like a lot of those guys maybe put up Hall of
• 55:14
  Fame numbers but are never gonna sniff it due to the steroids. But we've
• 55:19
  also got the repeat of the TOPS Chrome buybacks coming back into this checklist.
• 55:23
  So you've got prism refractors X fractors and some of those negative refractors that have
• 55:29
  been re stamped of Otani's and acunyas from last year. I was reading it
• 55:34
  doesn't say on the Beckett rundown, but I think some of the Kunya ones
• 55:37
  are signed, but not the Otani ones, So that's something to keep an
• 55:42
  eye out for. They are doing the buyback program from the twenty twenty four
• 55:45
  set again with TOPS, where you'll be able to get money back for each
• 55:51
  MVP base card and parallel, but it is going to be a lot more
• 55:55
  difficult I think predicting that this year last year, even at this point when
• 56:00
  Tops Chrome was released, we knew pretty right away that is going to be
• 56:05
  a Kunya and Otani given the seasons that they're having as opposed to this year,
• 56:09
  it's gonna be a little bit more of a gamble, I think,
• 56:13
  right in terms of like we've talked about, Otani's been doing well in the
• 56:15
  NL MVP, but Bryce Harper's won back to back Player of the Months,
• 56:20
  Aaron Judge has won back back Player of the Months the AL but once what
• 56:23
  Soto's certainly in the mix there, and I think both sides, like you
• 56:29
  do have your front runners, but I think it's gonna be a little bit
• 56:30
  more of an interesting market play to see how the pricing of some of these
• 56:36
  stars ebbs and flows over the next couple of months as people kind of push
• 56:40
  and and poll, you know, within the leaderboard quote unquote for these MVP
• 56:46
  races. Yeah, I think you have to say, if there's like leaders
• 56:49
  in the clubhouse right now, it probably is Aaron Judge and Shohe Otani,
• 56:53
  But you know it's there. They're not that far apart in the Interestingly,
• 56:58
  like as the ALE guys seem to be like apping the NL guys to in
• 57:00
  this discussion to a degree, like with Judge and Henderson and Wit and Soto,
• 57:05
  like all right there at the top of of the league in the AL
• 57:08
  and really any one of them with a really strong second half or somebody else
• 57:14
  getting heard or dropping off could absolutely take it. You know, I actually
• 57:17
  uh would would maybe in the AL if I'm if I'm putting my money somewhere,
• 57:22
  I might be And this is what's gonna be really interesting. I might
• 57:24
  go after the guy like a gunner, Henderson. And you know that having
• 57:29
  Henderson when it could could be kind of interesting just with you know, being
• 57:32
  such a young player and still so collectible. There's gonna be like this dynamic
• 57:37
  of collectors wanting to keep his cards versus trade him in versus like Judge ones
• 57:42
  that you're like, app take my cards. It's you know a big deal.
• 57:45
  But and then on the uh where where it really gets interesting in the
• 57:47
  mL side is you could see how case for Elie Dela Cruz. Yes,
• 57:52
  that that happens, I'd be episode Yes, So what happens here? Would
• 57:55
  you get an Elie Dela Cruz card? You know out of ninety nine is
• 58:00
  it more valuable for the buyback wars and valuable to sell it like the values
• 58:06
  might end up being very wacky for a guy like Dela Cruz, and so
• 58:09
  it's just very interesting to see how that plays. I'm kind of with you
• 58:14
  here, I think I'm if I'm chasing that space, I'm probably going after
• 58:21
  like a Bryce Harper. I'm going to me, I'm probably going after a
• 58:22
  Gunner. Guys like that that are on really interesting teams, exciting teams.
• 58:29
  I always think guys that have won it in the past kind of get penalized
• 58:31
  by the voters, and so yourrotani's and the judges, I think that get
• 58:36
  penalized. So I'll probably be trying to pick up a few of those here
• 58:37
  and there, especially if I see him shows, just to have them back
• 58:43
  pocket and hey, if I hit, I'm thrilled. If not, I
• 58:45
  got a shiny piece of cardboard. Yeah, and Bobby wit Jr. We
• 58:50
  didn't talk Bobby wit Junior in that rundown too that I think he's gonna be
• 58:53
  I think a bit of a dark horse. But yeah, it is going
• 58:57
  to be interesting to see if people start investing in some of these guys that
• 59:01
  might be kind of in the top five mix for MVPs, right now and
• 59:06
  kind of boosting their values on the card market. The other thing I think
• 59:10
  it could do is that like because I mean, if Ellie has a hot
• 59:15
  month or two and really pushes that war total up and really starts putting up
• 59:20
  some crazy numbers, you're going to see I think the value of those inserts
• 59:23
  go up even higher than you usually would for rookie card inserts, which you
• 59:29
  know don't usually always hold their value long term very well, because like people
• 59:34
  would prefer to have the base card and the parallels of the base card.
• 59:37
  But if he is in the discussion for the MVP buyback and people are going
• 59:44
  to be turning in those MVP buybacks of maybe some of those Elie de la
• 59:47
  Cruz rookie cards, I think that they're going to move on to trying to
• 59:53
  collect some of those inserts. And he's in pretty much every insert checklist,
• 59:58
  so there's a there's no shortage of La de la Cruz tops Chrome insert rookie
• 1:00:04
  cards to choose from. But I think people might start navigating towards some of
• 1:00:07
  those, and we might see one of those really become like possibly one of
• 1:00:12
  the kind of like one B to the one A of the base card of
• 1:00:16
  like the face of Eli's rookie cards. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
• 1:00:21
  So then one other thing I want to call out, just as you
• 1:00:23
  kind of ran through the breakdown of some of the inserts, there's a new
• 1:00:29
  insert this year that I'm really really excited about. And I don't know if
• 1:00:31
  you if you've looked at it, it's the light box logo insert. And
• 1:00:37
  if you're talking about rare inserts that aren't numbered, you can only find these
• 1:00:40
  in retail products, the Value boxes and the Monster boxes. There's one hundred
• 1:00:45
  and twenty eight per player. And if you have not seen these, they
• 1:00:49
  make me think of like the team logo orders from the flagships, Like they
• 1:00:53
  look really nice. It is a very clean basically the whole background of the
• 1:01:00
  card where he's generally the background of the photo is the team logo and kind
• 1:01:06
  of a light box I want to call a neon type of view. And
• 1:01:09
  so I think those are very very slick cards. I think that that you
• 1:01:14
  know, they're going to actually kind of command a premium, kind of like
• 1:01:16
  the team logo cards, because I could see wanting to put together a full
• 1:01:20
  set there, and I don't think people are going to realize how rare those
• 1:01:22
  really are until all of a sudden they start trying to get it, get
• 1:01:25
  a hold of them. And those are going to be, you know,
• 1:01:29
  especially in a bass card scenario of one hundred and forty six thousand based cards,
• 1:01:34
  and you're talking rare than the vast majority of numbered cards with those light
• 1:01:39
  box logos. So is you know, every player has lightboard. I'm called
• 1:01:45
  a light box, light board, you know, whatever you want to call
• 1:01:46
  it. And so those those will definitely be fun ones. I think those
• 1:01:52
  are the ones you're going to find randomly in value boxes that people just don't
• 1:01:54
  know what they have. Yeah, absolutely, Like I think they are going
• 1:01:59
  to be slick, and especially for team collectors, like they're gonna be I
• 1:02:01
  think, pretty big cards to try to collect, and especially because there's going
• 1:02:07
  to just be not quite you know, like in Eli Dela Cruz on every
• 1:02:13
  team that like it allows you to find something cool to chase for your team,
• 1:02:15
  and I do agree that, like, especially this is where this design
• 1:02:21
  for twenty twenty four tops really starts to shine, is when you're getting like
• 1:02:24
  just really pushing it to the edge in terms of what's on the card.
• 1:02:30
  And yeah, I think these are slick, so certainly check out the show
• 1:02:32
  notes. We'll have a linked there, and then when we also get this
• 1:02:37
  post up on rasball dot com, we'll have a picture of it there.
• 1:02:40
  So we'll also have a pictures of some of the other cards that we've talked
• 1:02:44
  about, so certainly check it out there. Okay, well, let's get
• 1:02:47
  into maybe some of the autos. So I think the big thing that people
• 1:02:52
  are gonna be chasing here is it's a little similar to what TOPS has been
• 1:02:55
  doing with the Bowman Chrome and Bowman over the past few years, where they've
• 1:03:00
  been putting in Bowman first of historical players like Babe Ruth and Johnny Bench and
• 1:03:07
  Pete Rose and obviously like the ones that are still living, they've had the
• 1:03:10
  autograph parallels of those. They've done it again here with putting in some Sandy
• 1:03:16
  Kofax autos in twenty twenty four Tops Chrome. It's going to be a pretty
• 1:03:21
  significant chase. And it's they do looks like they look really good, they
• 1:03:25
  look great, and also it helps that Sandy Kofax has like just one of
• 1:03:30
  the most killer autos of all time, So that's really going to be a
• 1:03:35
  huge hit that people are chasing. But other than that, this autograph checklist
• 1:03:42
  of just like the base that you're going to be getting out of those jumbo
• 1:03:45
  boxes for those three autos and that one hobby. It is brutal man like.
• 1:03:49
  So it looks more impressive when you're scrolling through the autograph list on any
• 1:03:54
  checklist that you're looking at, because all the inserts pretty much have some sort
• 1:04:00
  of auto parallel to them, and those include the big stars, but those
• 1:04:03
  are very short printed, they're very limited cards. So usually where you're getting
• 1:04:08
  with those autos are the rookie chrome autographs. And I don't know if I've
• 1:04:15
  ever seen one this bad dude. There are so many players that like I've
• 1:04:19
  never even come close to hearing of, And I think it's gotten to a
• 1:04:25
  really like critical point this year that like, I think we'll start seeing it
• 1:04:30
  too. Like if you're out there watching breaks and stuff, I mean,
• 1:04:31
  you're gonna be seeing so many people flip over some of these autos that you
• 1:04:35
  know, they paid two hundred dollars for a box and it's like an immediate
• 1:04:41
  less than five dollars autograph because it's just a rookie that nobody's heard of in
• 1:04:45
  terms of you know, a backup infielder or a middle reliever. Let me
• 1:04:49
  see, like I mean, like, yeah, you have Chris Valiomont from
• 1:04:55
  the the Orioles, Like who's that? Like? I think you can go
• 1:04:59
  like every third name on this checklist and just be like who. And so
• 1:05:02
  it's gonna be really tough. I think as this product gets open more and
• 1:05:06
  more because these are the autos that are in those boxes for the most part,
• 1:05:13
  that like they especially the unnumbered ones. I don't know how many of
• 1:05:16
  them they put out there, but it seems like, oh, you've got
• 1:05:19
  the number sixteen hundred per player of unnumbered of unnumbered auto, the auto rookies.
• 1:05:28
  So when you when we again we talked about those lightboard you talk about
• 1:05:32
  the negatives, you talk about all these cards that are unnumbered but really short
• 1:05:38
  printed. You're talking about, don't you worry? You got your your uh
• 1:05:43
  what do we want to say? You got your Victor Bodnick's sixteen hundred of
• 1:05:46
  those and so you know it, man, You're absolutely right. I was
• 1:05:50
  actually looking at on eBay just to some of the early things being being posted,
• 1:05:56
  and I'm already seen autos like even Auto out of like four ninety nine
• 1:06:00
  like ten Bucks, like it's it's it's crazy because there is just people are
• 1:06:08
  just trying to get their money back. It's like, oh, here's the
• 1:06:10
  giant De Luca auto for the Rays, like best off O ten Bucks,
• 1:06:14
  like, I don't know what you want me to do here. And I
• 1:06:15
  think there's gonna be a lot of guys that are that are playing in that
• 1:06:19
  that arena. Yeah, I'm sure one of them's gonna hit at some point,
• 1:06:23
  but I think people are gonna be really surprised at how plentiful those autos
• 1:06:28
  really are. Yeah, and I mean they're everywhere, so like, yeah,
• 1:06:33
  that is I think gonna be the big disappointment if you are investing any
• 1:06:38
  of those hobby boxes or jumbo boxes, because I mean, those are usually
• 1:06:43
  the names that you're gonna be pulling as opposed to, you know, some
• 1:06:45
  of the really cool ones, like the Kershaw Venezuela dual autographed, you know,
• 1:06:51
  because there's a there's not very many of those out there and it's pretty
• 1:06:55
  easy to hit these autographs from all these rookies. I will say that one
• 1:06:59
  of the cool ones also very short printed though, because it's only one in
• 1:07:02
  every fifteen and fifty one hobby packs. One in every fifteen hundred and fifteen
• 1:07:10
  Jumbo packs are the seam head signatures. So this is a pretty cool checklist
• 1:07:15
  of just media members in baseball, you know, like Bust only, Don
• 1:07:20
  Orsillo, Gary Cohen, Joe Buck, Ken Rosenthal, Michael Kay, Ryan
• 1:07:25
  Rococo. That they are cool. It's a great design, especially like the
• 1:07:30
  Don Orcillo one, I think is one that people are really chasing because he's
• 1:07:34
  a pretty popular announcer and has connected really well with Red Sox fans and Padres
• 1:07:41
  fans over the years. So he's also got a beautiful, wonderful signature.
• 1:07:45
  It's a wonderful looking card. But not very many of those out there,
• 1:07:48
  and so I think those are going to be pretty hot collector's items too,
• 1:07:53
  as people are chasing those down because some of those guys, it's some of
• 1:07:58
  their debuts in terms of like getting into products. Some of them are repeats,
• 1:08:01
  like I know Only and Ken Rosenthal have had stuff in archives before,
• 1:08:05
  but it should be a nice little twist on the traditional auto inserts that are
• 1:08:11
  out there. Yeah, and I think that's the challenge of the product,
• 1:08:15
  and especially if you pay attention to all to social media, whether it's Facebook
• 1:08:21
  groups, whether it's Reddit, whether it's Twitter, whatever it is. All
• 1:08:26
  you see are the hits. The number of guys I've seen hitting Ellie de
• 1:08:29
  la Cruz Autos just today, like I only bought my one box. He
• 1:08:33
  said, look how great it was, Like, yeah, you bought the
• 1:08:36
  one box for two hundred bucks and you got one card worth three hundred like,
• 1:08:42
  and I think that that's really going to throw people off because it's so
• 1:08:45
  easier. You don't see the non hits every once and while somebody will show
• 1:08:49
  I Actually, one of the ones I saw was somebody had bought I think
• 1:08:53
  three or four value boxes. They tried to buck the trend with the hobby
• 1:08:59
  and they were so poorly cooliated that they ended up with like six Jacob de
• 1:09:02
  Grams and like things like that, and like, oh, how painful to
• 1:09:05
  buy, you know, four or five forty dollars boxes end up with like
• 1:09:10
  the same exact bass players. Yeah, in every single one. I think
• 1:09:13
  that hit tell two Ellis, so I think that you know, paid for
• 1:09:15
  a half of one box, but you know, yeah, well, and
• 1:09:19
  I've noticed too that like the quality seems not great this year on the tops
• 1:09:25
  crumb stuff. I don't know if it's because it's so highly produced or like
• 1:09:29
  they were in a crunch to get everything done. And like like I said,
• 1:09:31
  like when we were naming those inserts, we named barely a third of
• 1:09:35
  them. Like if you go into the checklist that we have linked in the
• 1:09:40
  show notes, you'll see there's a ton of inserts, and that just creates
• 1:09:43
  more quality control to check. But lots of these pictures that I'm seeing coming
• 1:09:46
  up on social media, especially like any refractor or parallel, it does seem
• 1:09:54
  like there's nicks on like the outside edges in terms of like whiting, it
• 1:10:00
  does seem that lots of these cards are not very well centered, which has
• 1:10:04
  been becoming more and more in an issue for tops Chrome over the past few
• 1:10:09
  years. As like you can tell that they're doing everything they can to just
• 1:10:14
  like really juice the money out of the market for this product. So I
• 1:10:17
  think it's going to be a pretty tough grade in terms of like the setout
• 1:10:23
  there, because all the graders between PSA, SGC and the like usually are
• 1:10:28
  very tough on Chrome cards overall. And if the quality control hasn't been there,
• 1:10:32
  and really it's been sorely lacking on lots of other places throughout you know,
• 1:10:38
  the past year or so since we started this podcast, that it would
• 1:10:41
  be, yeah, very unsurprising to see lots of low grades, especially as
• 1:10:46
  people kind of send in these Eli de la Cruz base cards. Yeah,
• 1:10:50
  that'll be very interesting to see how that plays, because I think you're absolutely
• 1:10:55
  right, it's and I think a lot of it's coming down to the centering.
• 1:10:59
  This the design this year is because there's an inner border on the cars
• 1:11:03
  is very clear when the scenerying is off, and so I think you have
• 1:11:08
  to be really careful with that when you're trying to to snag a deal,
• 1:11:12
  because the centering is going to be it's going to be questionable on a lot
• 1:11:15
  of these cars. Yes, something they keep in mind. Yeah. And
• 1:11:18
  then so we are getting to the point where you want to do it,
• 1:11:25
  you want me to do it? This got enough breath left? And I
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  think this is you. I think this is you all day. I think
• 1:11:30
  I think too. So i'll introduce it with if you've listened before, where
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  you know we do this every single set when we when we break them down
• 1:11:40
  to the flagship for the chron for the Bowman, and we have to run
• 1:11:44
  through every single base set parallel that we have. Let you know what it
• 1:11:49
  is, let you know how rare it is. Uh, there's just a
• 1:11:53
  few in Pop's chrome this year, and I have a feeling we don't actually
• 1:11:58
  have the full list because it seems, yes, that's kind of the thing
• 1:12:01
  that's going on here. So hopefully you got your drink, Hopefully you're ready
• 1:12:04
  to go the Palett's wet run us through the parallels to the base set.
• 1:12:10
  Let us know where they're falling and what you're excited about. Well, I'm
• 1:12:14
  also going to write off the bat break everybody's heart. No taco fractors this
• 1:12:17
  year, so if you were hoping for the taco fractors, that is not
• 1:12:23
  coming back. So I did not miss it. It just is not included
• 1:12:26
  this year. So here we go. It is voluminous. So for each
• 1:12:31
  of the base cards three hundred cards in the set, here are all your
• 1:12:34
  parallels. You have regular refractors, pink refractors, prism refractors, ray wave
• 1:12:42
  refractors, Sippia refractors, X fractors, negative refractors. All of those are
• 1:12:48
  unnumbered, so I think of that too. The ray wave is new,
• 1:12:54
  like they've had ray wave versions but never an unnumbered parallel like this before.
• 1:12:58
  As we just stated a little bit before, certainly the negative refractors are the
• 1:13:01
  ones that chase there the the rarest at one in every eighty nine hobby packs.
• 1:13:06
  And now we get into all of the numbered ones. We have magenta
• 1:13:11
  speckle refractors of three, fifty, purple speckle refractors of two, ninety nine
• 1:13:16
  sonar purple refractors of two, seventy five, purple refractors of two, fifty,
• 1:13:21
  aqua refractors, one ninety nine aqua lava refractors, one ninety nine ray
• 1:13:29
  wave aqua refractors, one ninety nine blue refractors, one fifty ray wave blue
• 1:13:34
  refractors, one fifty sonar blue refractors, one twenty five. That's this is
• 1:13:43
  a sold like. They did not triple up on these colors quite as much
• 1:13:46
  in previous years that it's gotten. That's absurd. And I'm not even halfway
• 1:13:50
  through the list at this point, am I. Now when you said triple
• 1:13:54
  up, they called drupled up on the grid all those greens. Yeah,
• 1:13:59
  yeah, that's next. So in the list that they have on Beckett,
• 1:14:02
  this one's also an unnumbered it's a light board logo that we were just talking
• 1:14:05
  about. It falls here because of just where the rarity is. And then
• 1:14:11
  you've got those quadruple of the green refractors. You've got green refractors ninety nine,
• 1:14:15
  green wave refractors of ninety nine, green ray wave refractors of ninety nine,
• 1:14:23
  sonar green refractors of ninety nine, blue wave refractors of seventy five,
• 1:14:29
  which I already said regular blue right of one to fifty. So yeah,
• 1:14:34
  okay, so that's another quad but the blue wave ones are only of seventy
• 1:14:40
  five, gold refractors of fifty, gold wave refractors of fifty, ray wave
• 1:14:45
  gold refractors of fifty, orange refractors of twenty five, orange wave refractors of
• 1:14:50
  twenty five, ray wave orange refractors of twenty five, black refractors of ten,
• 1:14:58
  ray wave black refractors ten frozen fractors are back again, and so those
• 1:15:02
  are of negative five. But I think it's like there's five of them that,
• 1:15:06
  yes, there's you see like them the way they're numbered, it's like
• 1:15:12
  negative three of zero is the way that they usually do it. But there's
• 1:15:15
  only five of those out there. Uh No, it's got to be more
• 1:15:19
  right because like, look at the odds on it. It's higher or it's
• 1:15:27
  lower than the black. So I don't know how many frozen fractors are out
• 1:15:30
  there. That's a good question. I'll try. I'll try to look that
• 1:15:31
  up, because you're you're right, you're looking at it, and I thought
• 1:15:34
  there was only five of the frozen frozen. You know what I think it
• 1:15:38
  is is because like I'm just gonna they're only in jumbo, That's what it
• 1:15:42
  is. Yep. So like, because the black refractors are one in five
• 1:15:45
  hundred and sixty four jumbos, frozen fractors are one in five hundred and six
• 1:15:50
  jumbos, So they're actually the frozen fractors are more common in the jumbos than
• 1:15:57
  the black of five. But because they're only in the jumbo, that's why
• 1:16:00
  there's only five of them. Okay, still not done. We have red
• 1:16:03
  refractors of five, red wave refractors of five ray wave red refractors of five
• 1:16:10
  printing plates. You've got your black, Cayenne, magenta, yellow, pre
• 1:16:15
  traditional, one of ones on that, and then you're one of one super
• 1:16:17
  fractors. That's absurd. I think, like if there's anything that maybe sums
• 1:16:24
  up a lot of like kind of what we've been talking about in terms of
• 1:16:27
  how much of this product there is, and like it's going to be impossible
• 1:16:31
  to put together any sort of rainbow, I think pretty much in terms of
• 1:16:36
  given how hard it's going to be to uncover some of these like really low
• 1:16:43
  numbered cards of especially just not big stars. But whenever you've got quads up
• 1:16:49
  on like the same color refractor, they just like, if anything, it's
• 1:16:55
  a little bit frustrating in terms of a collector standpoint, because like what was
• 1:17:00
  driving any sort of value I think out of the modern cards was having the
• 1:17:04
  refractors that are numbered and limited. But if you've got four different purple refractor
• 1:17:11
  variations, it makes all of them degraded overall, because like you just have
• 1:17:16
  so many different colors and so many different variations of the same color that you
• 1:17:23
  know, it's just not quite as special as just having that solo only purple
• 1:17:29
  they used to have, you know, you know, I think the way
• 1:17:31
  to go this year, if you're really gonna go bold, I think a
• 1:17:33
  full negative set. I think that that's where that's where it's at this year,
• 1:17:39
  because that's gonna be rare. But people don't know it, and uh,
• 1:17:43
  it's gonna be it's gonna be actually probably easier, so I could go
• 1:17:45
  after like a full set of purple refractors. Then there's something like that.
• 1:17:49
  So you're absolutely right, there's there's a lot there. I'd love to have
• 1:17:56
  a frozen fractor. It just sounds fun. Yeah, I've never seen one
• 1:17:59
  in the wild too. I think it would be really cool to see because
• 1:18:01
  especially just like the the Mister Freeze like vibe to them overall that they look
• 1:18:09
  really cool. I think the other kind of strange takeaway here is that they
• 1:18:15
  did not really I wonder if there was missing magenta refractors in this list because
• 1:18:19
  traditionally in that you're in the magenta color, they have more than one variation
• 1:18:25
  and they and so it's possible that this list from Beckett might be missing some.
• 1:18:29
  But yeah, of all of them, you would think that they would
• 1:18:32
  really want to hammer home on some of those more voluminous refractors to be able
• 1:18:40
  to just get more and more variations of they're out there. Yeah, it's
• 1:18:45
  there is just a lot of a lot of options. They all look great.
• 1:18:49
  I also say that, you know, the multi control aside, the
• 1:18:53
  cars look great, you know, this is for me, This is one
• 1:18:57
  of my favorite times of the year to go to car shows. After all,
• 1:19:00
  these are ripped on you know, uh, you know, first the
• 1:19:04
  first day of release and you've just got boxes and boxes of chrome cars.
• 1:19:10
  Guys are trying to trying to pawn off because they ripped you know, seven
• 1:19:14
  jumbos and so that's that's the good news about these cars is they do look
• 1:19:18
  great. H So you know, get a chance to get some some in
• 1:19:21
  your in your collection and enjoy enjoy how they look. Uh, just don't
• 1:19:27
  be expecting to complete any rainbows anytime soon. Yeah, I don't think so.
• 1:19:30
  And then I think the one other thing I wanted to call out was
• 1:19:33
  the Radiating Rookies checklist because I think these are going to be pretty popular.
• 1:19:38
  That they had versions of this previously, but especially when you're talking about like
• 1:19:44
  this also shows maybe like where people will maybe find some value in this checklist
• 1:19:49
  overall is that like it is a very very strong rookie class. And so
• 1:19:54
  all these guys have based cards in terms of like Elie de la Cruz,
• 1:19:58
  Coult, Keith Pca, Jackson Churio, Mason Wynn, Jason Dominguez, Wyatt
• 1:20:03
  Langford Junior, Camen Nio, Jordan Lawler, Evan Carter, Yoshinobu Yamamoto,
• 1:20:09
  Jung Hu, Lee Jackson, Holliday, Jackson, Merrill, that they all
• 1:20:14
  have these radiating rookies where it just it sounds like what it says, where
• 1:20:19
  it looks like there's a sunburst coming off of them, and they've got a
• 1:20:23
  color variation to them. These are very short printed and would technically again be
• 1:20:29
  like what would be a case it because they're one on every seven hundred and
• 1:20:31
  forty seven Hobby packs, and so I think they're going to be pretty popular
• 1:20:36
  in terms of I think I've seen the holiday one. It's it is really
• 1:20:41
  beautiful and it works really well with the twenty four design overall. I just
• 1:20:45
  kind of wanted to mention that of all the other inserts that maybe wether we
• 1:20:48
  skipped over, because I think a lot of them will kind of be lost
• 1:20:53
  in the wash of all the inserts out there. If you find one of
• 1:20:57
  these radiating rookies, certainly jump on it because they aren't numbered, but they're
• 1:21:00
  very very short printed. Yeah. Absolutely, I think I was looking up
• 1:21:04
  three. There's just slightly more than the negatives. I believe there's room in
• 1:21:09
  seventy of each of these cards and so that you're absolutely right. They're going
• 1:21:13
  to be hard to find. They're gonna be a little bit pricey, but
• 1:21:15
  they are very very very nice cards. Radi and Rookies has done well since
• 1:21:19
  they brought that out last year. Okay, well, yeah, I think
• 1:21:24
  that's gonna wrap us up on Tops Chrome. I think there's probably gonna be
• 1:21:27
  more news as it gets ripped throughout the next few weeks. And it's been
• 1:21:32
  a couple of releases since we've had a Super Factor controversy. So let's see,
• 1:21:38
  maybe we might get one out of the Tops Chrome set here in twenty
• 1:21:41
  twenty four. We know something's common, like it just isn't a release of
• 1:21:45
  a big product without some type of controversy. We'll see what it is,
• 1:21:48
  but we'll hit that next week. We just need to give a little time
• 1:21:51
  to marinate exactly. All right, Well, let's wrap it up here.
• 1:21:55
  Brew Let everybody know where they can find you on socials and read your work.
• 1:22:00
  Yep, find me over at Twitter slash exit Jay Brewer one seven reach
• 1:22:04
  out you have questions you want to chat? Absolutely great, we had to
• 1:22:08
  do there. And also find me over at rasball on Sundays doing your top
• 1:22:13
  one hundred hitter rankings and your hitter profiles. We'll have the top one hundred
• 1:22:17
  hitters debuting for the second half here this weekend, so make sure that you
• 1:22:24
  jump in. It's gonna be a fun little list to see as you have
• 1:22:28
  a few coup players coming back from injury. Kyle Tucker, maybe we can
• 1:22:31
  finally welcome you back to real life here and it'll be fun to interact there.
• 1:22:36
  So come on out, argue, debate, tell me how great it
• 1:22:41
  all is. Coolly, where can everybody find you? Yes, you can
• 1:22:45
  also find me on ras ball on weekends on Saturdays doing the waiver wire report.
• 1:22:49
  So it's getting into crunch time here in the second halfs let's get those
• 1:22:54
  fab dollars spent. It's going to be I think a big thing over the
• 1:22:57
  next couple of weeks. And you can also find on rasball all of the
• 1:23:02
  pictures of a lot of the cards that we've mentioned. So we rattled through
• 1:23:05
  a lot. I'm not going to post a picture of every parallel, but
• 1:23:09
  you can go through eBay and find those yourselves, and we will have some
• 1:23:13
  of the bigger cards listed there. So you can find it all one stop
• 1:23:16
  as opposed to maybe going through the show details here and clicking through all of
• 1:23:20
  them. But you can also reach me on Twitter slash x and blue Sky
• 1:23:26
  at mCOL seven same handle on both of those. You can email the pod
• 1:23:30
  along with Rob Manfred when he reaches out to us for our als our ideas
• 1:23:34
  at cards categories at gmail dot com. You can reach the podcast on Twitter,
• 1:23:40
  slash x at cards categories And that's going to wrap us up for this
• 1:23:45
  week. So thanks for sticking around, thanks for joining us on our one
• 1:23:48
  year anniversary, and here's to hit many more going forward. We'll be back,
• 1:23:53
  same time, same place next week. Thanks everybody being a