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Issue 403: Getting Weird with the Force · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the note Paulty.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, this is Nick and Ostasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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  Speaker 2: The Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch, and you
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  Speaker 3: It's that time again for aggressive negotiations. You're sweet, sweet
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  Speaker 3: a very strange glow of force energy coming from the
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  Speaker 3: middle of it. And I don't know. I thought I
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  Speaker 1: It's my r My Force Arara has truly taken over
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  Speaker 1: the airways at this point, and it's my true self
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  Speaker 1: revealing who I am. But more importantly, wouldn't the true
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  Speaker 1: measure of real ascendants from a Jedi be being able
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  Speaker 3: something that the first season and the second season of
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  Speaker 3: and or both reference is the Racottans, who we know
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  Speaker 3: from the Knights of the Republic game, are very big
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  Speaker 3: part of that game, in the lore of Star Wars
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  Speaker 3: history in the distant past. But you know, we're also
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  Speaker 3: aware of things like this planet that Yoda visits right
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  Speaker 3: in the Clone Wars. We have the Mortis arc in
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  Speaker 3: Clone Wars. We've got this whole other galaxy in Ahsoka,
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  Speaker 3: and where then the Witches of Datamir came from. And
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  Speaker 3: all of this just kind of weird stuff, right, that
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  Speaker 3: seems to connect us to a much I mean, talk
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  Speaker 3: about taking a step into a much larger world, right.
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  Speaker 3: Something I was thinking about though for you in the
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  Speaker 3: thought process that we may possibly be getting a film
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  Speaker 3: from James Man goold about you know, very early Jedi,
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  Speaker 3: the beginning of the Force, YadA YadA. Who knows exactly
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  Speaker 3: what it may or may not be and if it
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  Speaker 3: ever even gets made. But do we want things to
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  Speaker 3: give us more explanation around all of these mysteries or
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  Speaker 3: is there something to be said for allowing the mystery
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  Speaker 3: to stay a mystery and therefore allowing the audience to
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  Speaker 3: kind of make up whatever it is that they want
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  Speaker 3: in their own minds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I've come down firmly on the side
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  Speaker 1: of leaving a lot of things a mystery, because the
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  Speaker 1: only thing you can possibly do is disappoint people unless
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  Speaker 1: you absolutely stick the landing. And by sticking the landing,
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  Speaker 1: and I know everybody's going to sit to yeah, fanboy,
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  Speaker 1: all that type of thing, but.
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  Speaker 4: Sticking the landing is like Clone Wars.
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  Speaker 1: I never would have if you had posed this question
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  Speaker 1: to me and said, do you want to see the
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  Speaker 1: planet that is the wellspring of the forest the galaxy?
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  Speaker 4: And I'm be like, Oh, that's no, that's a terrible idea.
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  Speaker 4: What on earth?
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  Speaker 1: Why on earth would you do that? That's crazy? But
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  Speaker 1: then we go there in the Clone Wars as you
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  Speaker 1: alluded to, and oh, well, okay, that was actually more
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  Speaker 1: delightful than I thought it would be, because the trick
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  Speaker 1: is to go a little crazy. What I mean by
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  Speaker 1: that is finding that well spring of the force and
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  Speaker 1: seeing all that type of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Like we went a little.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy there, Like it was just it was to borrow
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  Speaker 1: a term that that we use in our circle.
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  Speaker 4: It's bonkers.
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  Speaker 1: It's not safe. And so the fear becomes if they
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  Speaker 1: start going into explaining quote unquote things, then they're going
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  Speaker 1: to follow the urge of well, we have to make
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  Speaker 1: sure it's a this, or it's a that, or it
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  Speaker 1: has to.
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  Speaker 4: Fit in this way or that way.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, the beauty of the prequels and the Clone
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  Speaker 1: War series and the Bad Batch and everything like that is, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's connective tissue that goes in. It's not dictating what
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  Speaker 1: happens with the story. That's where I think the trick becomes.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they're obligated to and I would if
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  Speaker 1: I were sitting there in their like little Jedi Council chamber,
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  Speaker 1: I would be counseling them as a default to be
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  Speaker 1: against it unless they could throw an idea out there
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  Speaker 1: that wowed me so much I'd be like, Okay, just
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  Speaker 1: crazy enough that it could work if you let yourself go.
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  Speaker 4: Nuts with it.
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  Speaker 3: I think utilizing those clone wars arcs is really the
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  Speaker 3: correct jumping off point for this discussion, because the thing
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  Speaker 3: about them is is that they may answer one to
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  Speaker 3: two questions, but they then raise forty seven and it's yes.
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  Speaker 3: And to me, I think that is the correct way
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  Speaker 3: to do this that if you were you know, I
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  Speaker 3: think the same thing happened. And I was thinking immediately
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  Speaker 3: as you start talking like Okay, yes you can do this,
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  Speaker 3: but then what happens if you do it badly?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Which most people got up in arms about the whole
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  Speaker 3: idea of the Midichlorians from the Phantom Menace, right, But
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  Speaker 3: to me, what the beauty of met Midichlorians was not
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  Speaker 3: that they answered how people had the force. What they
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  Speaker 3: did is they raised so many more questions than about
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  Speaker 3: this microscopic life form and how they are a part
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  Speaker 3: of every living being in all of this stuff, that
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  Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, what Lucas was actually doing was creating
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  Speaker 3: even more depth with even less answers than creating more answers,
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  Speaker 3: you know, And I think that's the thing that people
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  Speaker 3: kind of missed. And so therefore, where if we are
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  Speaker 3: going to kind of dive into some of these mysteries,
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  Speaker 3: which I don't think there's anything wrong with doing. I
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  Speaker 3: mean again, I think the whole thought process of maybe
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  Speaker 3: even and or inadvertently or you know, maybe who knows,
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  Speaker 3: on purpose kind of setting up some ideas that they
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  Speaker 3: might actually utilize in an old Republic style setting. You know,
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  Speaker 3: that's great to me. At the same time, again, I
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  Speaker 3: think there really are you know, I think you rightly
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  Speaker 3: put it, there are two roads you can walk down
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  Speaker 3: with this. You either walk down a road that allows
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  Speaker 3: some of an audience natural questions to be answered, but
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  Speaker 3: then naturally raises many more questions, so you're always leaving
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  Speaker 3: audience members with a sense of mystery. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that's the thing maybe that kind of Star Wars in
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  Speaker 3: general actually tapped into, right, is that there was this
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  Speaker 3: sense of spirituality and mysticism and those type of things
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  Speaker 3: in this series that a lot of films at the
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  Speaker 3: time had completely gotten away from because we had really
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  Speaker 3: dug into gritty realism in film right and Lucas kind
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  Speaker 3: of rightly understood that the stories that stay with us
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  Speaker 3: tend to be one that have these metaphysical questions to
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  Speaker 3: them layered in and they don't have to be, you know,
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  Speaker 3: ones that overtake the story, but there are layered in
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  Speaker 3: there because they're natural questions that we have as human beings.
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  Speaker 3: And so yeah, I mean I think it's a really
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  Speaker 3: interesting question.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that let's take the Mangal things, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's the birth of the Jedi quote unquote
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  Speaker 1: whatever that's rumored. Cool, no problem with it right again,
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  Speaker 1: so you know you can do it right, You can
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  Speaker 1: do it. It's a trick, you gonna have to walk
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  Speaker 1: a tight rope. But I would offer that the source
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  Speaker 1: material from Lucas's day exists there where I think it's
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  Speaker 1: the episode one novelization. Don't come at me if I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting it wrong, but I know I've read it in
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  Speaker 1: one of the materials that's quote unquote cana whatever you
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  Speaker 1: want to call it.
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  Speaker 4: Where knowledge that the Jedi existed before knowledge of the Midichlorians.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're going to get into like the origin
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  Speaker 1: of the Jedi or something like that, and even more
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  Speaker 1: interesting movie to me is somebody who suddenly figures out
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  Speaker 1: how it all works. What you're talking about, the metaphysical
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  Speaker 1: question where somebody's sitting there and they're like, why can
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  Speaker 1: we do this? How is this even possible?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And then you can get into things of like the
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  Speaker 1: story of the first Lightsaber what did that look like?
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  Speaker 1: And we know that when Lucas was developing the sequel trilogy,
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  Speaker 1: one of the concept things that came out of it
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  Speaker 1: was what did the first Lightsaber look like? And it
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  Speaker 1: was like two pieces of wood wrapped around a crystal
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing. So it's like, that's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta be willing to get crazy with it, right,
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  Speaker 1: because if you have a movie that's being made by
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  Speaker 1: a conglomerate, oh, a lightsaber can't possibly work like that,
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. Whereas Lucas and the team
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  Speaker 1: he had assembled were free and willing to look at
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  Speaker 1: something and be like, well, what if a Jedi just
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  Speaker 1: made the crystal give a beam of light using the
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  Speaker 1: force or something? And that, in and of itself, to
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  Speaker 1: your point about raising more questions points us in the
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  Speaker 1: direction of, oh, well, maybe the Jedi really have gotten
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  Speaker 1: really far away from their roots because their most signature
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  Speaker 1: weapon didn't even need the technology that they've built around
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  Speaker 1: it in that modern age, and it showed their own
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  Speaker 1: sort of straying away from the true pure thing, which
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  Speaker 1: gets even more into Lucas's whole thing about like being
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  Speaker 1: as close to the natural world as possible is the
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  Speaker 1: way that you should be living your life. Like you know,
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  Speaker 1: just having this discussion right here, that sort of thing
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  Speaker 1: gets in there. But I promise you, and this this
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  Speaker 1: gets back to the warning. I would have somebody heard
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  Speaker 1: the words that just came out of my mouth and said,
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  Speaker 1: you're crazy, that's nuts, that's there's no way that's going
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  Speaker 1: to work. That's a dumb idea, right, And it's like
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  Speaker 1: you have to be willing, as Lucas was to say,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if somebody thinks it sucks. This is
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  Speaker 1: the story that has to be told. This is what's
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  Speaker 1: necessary two things, and not care whether people loved it
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  Speaker 1: or not. What was his quote was like he thought
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  Speaker 1: it was like building a house and people said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you should build a white house and I but I
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  Speaker 1: wanted a greenhouse. So I built a greenhouse and that's
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  Speaker 1: the house that I wanted. And I don't care whether
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  Speaker 1: you like it or not. I'm paraphrasing there, but words
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  Speaker 1: along those lines.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: One of the you said there that I really liked
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  Speaker 3: is the whole idea is that there are a couple
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  Speaker 3: that really stood out. One is that you really truly
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  Speaker 3: have to have a very deep understanding of the Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars universe to be able to plumb these kind of depths, right,
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  Speaker 3: because what you talked about was this idea that you're
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  Speaker 3: going to go crazy. But then when you think about it,
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  Speaker 3: it all seems to connect. And that's the thing when
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  Speaker 3: you think about again the Mortis arc or the Yoda arc. There,
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  Speaker 3: this is way out there stuff, and yet it feels
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  Speaker 3: like it fits, and it feels in a way that
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  Speaker 3: answers again some of my questions but leaves me with
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  Speaker 3: so many more, Like, you know, who are these priestesses
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  Speaker 3: that are on that planet with Yoda that have all
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  Speaker 3: of these different faces? They seem to be one and
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  Speaker 3: the same, you know, and yet different and all of
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  Speaker 3: this crazy stuff right, and yet the crazy feels right.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's that's really the interesting thing to me,
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  Speaker 3: is that the crazy has to feel right, and you
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  Speaker 3: can do crazy and it turned into something else, right,
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  Speaker 3: It can come at you in a way that comes
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  Speaker 3: off like maybe some more of the you know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to throw shade, but you know, it comes
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  Speaker 3: off more like the stuff you see in less successful
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  Speaker 3: versions of Star Wars that we've seen. I'll just leave
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  Speaker 3: it at that.
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  Speaker 4: Less creatively successful versions of Star Wars.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and so, and that's where again I I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to come down on the side then when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to this question, which is that you can absolutely
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  Speaker 3: delve into these types of topics, but you have to
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  Speaker 3: do it in a way that makes me feel as
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  Speaker 3: though that I am satisfied with the answers I get
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  Speaker 3: as a person, and wow, because you just did something
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  Speaker 3: that I wasn't expecting, yet at the same time didn't
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  Speaker 3: leave me feeling like there were no more mysteries to
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  Speaker 3: plumb the depths of That's the thing is, like I
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  Speaker 3: they're always is this is the beauty of Star Wars,
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  Speaker 3: and I think this is where it kind of works
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  Speaker 3: the best, right is where theyre always more mysteries to plumb.
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  Speaker 3: And you can do this in the most metaphysical way, right,
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  Speaker 3: or you can kind of do this in the way
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  Speaker 3: in which I think like the Bad Batch or something
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  Speaker 3: like and or have done where it's like, Okay, we
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  Speaker 3: have this time period and we're going to plumb the
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  Speaker 3: depths of what does it mean for the Empire to
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  Speaker 3: be ruler of the galaxy for almost twenty years?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean and there even though those two shows exist
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  Speaker 3: and as long as as well as Rebels, I still
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  Speaker 3: feel like there's so many other questions that you could
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  Speaker 3: answer in that time period. Those shows didn't give me
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  Speaker 3: the end all be all right.
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  Speaker 4: I think that this gets to.
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  Speaker 1: The heart of why anybody would feel trepidation about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: an upcoming project having to deal with X Y or
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  Speaker 1: z is. I think we're both getting right back to
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  Speaker 1: that whole point of it can't be conceived of in
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  Speaker 1: a boardroom or blessed by a committee.
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  Speaker 4: It has to be something that's I am not a committee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those things where it has to
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  Speaker 1: be something so unafraid of failure, but it's something that
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  Speaker 1: still gives you something to think. I would say that Solo,
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  Speaker 1: a Star Wars story is the same thing. Oh well,
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  Speaker 1: he's got the falcon, but we know that he's just
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  Speaker 1: about to work for Java, So what else is going on?
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  Speaker 1: I guess to your point about the questions. Oh okay,
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  Speaker 1: you've answered these things, but there's still so much more
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  Speaker 1: I want to know about. And it's a right goss
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  Speaker 1: darn travesty that I'm not going to get that to
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  Speaker 1: make another solo movie just as an animated series or something. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: like the channel is there open to you, you cowards,
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  Speaker 1: give me another solo Star Wars story movie. I don't
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  Speaker 1: care what the medium is. Have it is just like
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  Speaker 1: an animated flip book. I don't care, just something anyway.
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  Speaker 1: It really does have to do with who's at the Helm.
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  Speaker 1: And let me qualify it further by saying, if you
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  Speaker 1: have a really creative filmmaker at the Helm, that's one thing,
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  Speaker 1: But if you have corporate directive shaping the store, that's
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  Speaker 1: where things can really you know, I mean, look, just
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  Speaker 1: not to put too fine a point on it, I'm
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: not even talking about Star Wars and specific or Disney
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  Speaker 1: buying it. Just so that people don't think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: don't get your hackles up sort of thing about that
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I'm going back and I'm revisiting some movies,
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  Speaker 1: you know, through through the years, stuff like that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: showing old stuff to my kids, new stuff to others.
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  Speaker 1: And I just watched Tommy, the movie adaptation from nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy five of the Who's Rock Opera, and the movie sucks.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry if I'm offending anybody, it sucks, but it sucks
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  Speaker 1: in a glorious way. You know what update the reference.
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  Speaker 1: It sucks in a Megalopolis way in that I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love Megalopolis because it's fearless, because it's nuts, because
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  Speaker 1: it's unhinged. It is a film you're completely unafraid just
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  Speaker 1: to be like boom, here it is and walk away,
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  Speaker 1: and here's I spent more than one hundred million dollars
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  Speaker 1: making this thing. That's what needs to happen if we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get into this territory. The complete absence of
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  Speaker 1: fear in what you're going to make, and the complete
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  Speaker 1: willingness to be crazy with it, but not in a sterile,
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  Speaker 1: anadyne or cynical way. We've gotten crazy in Star Wars.
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  Speaker 1: We've also gotten cynical crazy in Star Wars. And that
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  Speaker 1: is what the problem is.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I do think that that is the thing that
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  Speaker 3: as you're talking about, Look, Star Wars is made by
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  Speaker 3: an our tour who is telling his story. Consequences be damned, right.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't care because he's using his own money to
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  Speaker 3: tell his story the way he wants to and whether
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  Speaker 3: you like that story or not, because that's the story
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  Speaker 3: he has to tell, because it's something inside him that
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  Speaker 3: was driving him, right. And I think that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: the thing that you're getting at then with if you're
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  Speaker 3: going to kind of talk about these types of depths
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  Speaker 3: and Star Wars, you have to be willing to just
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  Speaker 3: do what's best for the story, regardless of kind of
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  Speaker 3: whether or not.
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  Speaker 4: People immediately love it.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing that we've seen obviously in Star Wars
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  Speaker 3: is that people have begun to come around to Lucas's
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  Speaker 3: way of thinking, especially when it comes to the Clone Wars,
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to the prequels. I mean, there is
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  Speaker 3: a new appreciation for those things because people have been
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  Speaker 3: able to kind of let go of their own preconceptions,
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  Speaker 3: come back to it with a different state of mind,
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  Speaker 3: and realize, Oh, that's what was happening, that's what's going
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  Speaker 3: on here, that's the thought process, And I think that's
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  Speaker 3: the thing of kind of doing the crazy, right. So
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  Speaker 3: much of filmmaking these days is about, Okay, we just
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  Speaker 3: got to give people the same thing but different, and
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  Speaker 3: one of the things that Lucas was doing was not that,
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  Speaker 3: And especially again when it came to the prequel era
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  Speaker 3: and exploring some of these mysteries. I'm not giving people
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: what they want. I'm giving them what I want because
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I'm the storyteller and this is the story I have
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: to tell for the universe I created, And this is
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: what's coming out of me as the storyteller, not because
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: somebody wants it, because that's just what's there. And that's
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: where I think, you know, and all the conversations that
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: you know, we kind of get who should run lucasfilm,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: And oh is Dave Feloni too?
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: And is he got too much Star Wars Lord? It's like,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: that's the dumbest question I've ever heard. Why, Because you
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: can't have too much Star Wars lore if you're making
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Star Wars. I think it's George Lucas had too much
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Star Wars lore because he is Star Wars and and
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: so like anyway, I don't that's probably a whole o
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: their podcast. But all this to say is like I think,
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to telling these type of stories, you
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: do unequivocally have to be unafraid, Yeah, to get nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna give you two things here. One.
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  Speaker 3: You want to get nuts, let's get nuts.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: I'll give you two things here. One.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing is like, oh, you know, I understand
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  Speaker 1: when people are like, oh, well, you know, maybe somebody
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  Speaker 1: native to lucasfilm is too you know, too internally focused.
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  Speaker 1: They're not going to try to grow the audience. They're
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: not going to try to get crazy. They're not going
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. But then you look at Ahsoka
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  Speaker 1: season one. It never even occurred to me that to
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: go outside the galaxy before I saw that, and I
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: was like, oh wait, why didn't I think of that?
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  Speaker 4: That's the that's great, that's where we're going. That's great,
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  Speaker 4: all right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, okay, we're going to the Hamptons. Anybody who
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: watch Seinfeld gets that reference. And then I'm going to
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: close with a contentious thing and go right into the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: sign off and not even give you a chance to reply.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: But you know, we both keep praise on Lucas because
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: he did the I'm going to tell what the story
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: is necessary. He didn't play it safe with the prequels,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and when you play it safe with a prequel. That's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: when you get Rogue one, a Star Wars story. So, Matt,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: where can people find you online?
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Well, you can find me all over social media under
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: the name Matt Rushing zero two. Of course, here on
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the network you'll find me with our post talking about
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: every single chapter the Harry Potter series, one chapter time,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: and then over on the TFM network you'll find me
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: doing a bunch of shows. One is the six o
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: two Club, where we talk all about the franchises we
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: love and sometimes some Star Wars. In fact, we may
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: be having a crossover coming very soon. But you could
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: also find me doing a lot of Star Trek talk
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: over there, so check all of that out. But John,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: if people wanted to catch up with you and maybe
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: respond to what you just said before we went into
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: the clothes, where can people find.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, nobody wants to reply to me about that?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You can find me as kessel Junkie on your social
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: network of choice. You can of course reach out to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: us at the nerd party dot com slash contact. We
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: still have a couple of listener letters we're going to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: get to and you can listen to me here on
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the nerd Party on house Lights, which I think is
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a delightful show because it's usually me half drunk, ranting
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: at Tristan and Darren about why they're wrong about their
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: movie opinions. And recently we've been talking about the screen
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: movies and they're not horror fans and they don't know
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: what they're talking about.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: So check out Houselights.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: But Matt, with all of that said, I think I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: hear the dinner bell back at the Jedi Temple, so
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's time to close these negotiations.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: John, negotiations are clothes. Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.