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What is going on with the Sig P380 · Live to Shoot - Defending our 2nd Amendment Rights

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  Well, welcome to the live Shoot podcast.
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  My name is Jeff Dolan and I've been a licensed firearm doer for the last 18 years.
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  In this podcast, we talk about.
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  All things related to the Second Amendment, as well as anything else going in the world of sports story or anything else I might find interesting.
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  So yes, this is the podcast where we cut through noise, stand up for our God given rights, and talk about what keeps us free.
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  The Second Amendment.
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  Today we're gonna dive into a topic that's got a lot of people buzzing.
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  We mentioned it last week but that's a, a six hour P three 20 and the safety concerns that have been going on.
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  We're gonna talk about, you know, the background of the gun military contracts report issues, how law enforcement and military are responding and what SIG Power has to say.
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  So, so let's get started.
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  So the P three 20 released in 2014 by sig.
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  It's a striker fired modular handgun.
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  It hit the market with a lot of popularity.
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  Over 2.5 million units have been sold, but.
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  The P three 20 started making waves in 2017 when it won the US Army's Modular Handgun System competition being at Glock and others For a$580 million contract, the Army adopted the two versions of M 17, which is full size and the compact M 18.
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  And these became the fire standard firearms across all branches of the US military.
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  From military police to pilots, you'll see these pistols on belts and chest res and across the world.
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  Law enforcement jumped on board too with over thousands of agencies.
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  Started to use P three 20 to their issuing P three 20 to their officers.
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  But this is when things got start to get sticky.
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  Since it's released reports of surface of at the P three 20, discharging without trigger pool, something nobody wants to have happen.
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  The safety concerns started gaining traction around 2017.
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  Right after the military contract was announced, a US Department of Defense report from the year noted that during testing the P three 20 could fire if dropped at certain angles.
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  And that can be a problem if it's your duty weapons.
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  Six hours responded quickly modifying the trigger mechanism and officer, you know, a voluntary upgrade to civilian owners.
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  They claim the issue was fixed, but the reports kept coming in a 2020 investigation documented over 80 entries from the alleged un commanded discharge.
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  And.
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  Court cases started piling up over a hundred losses, alleging that the P three 20 design is defective particularly because it lacks external safety like some other strike of hard pistols such as Glock.
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  In June, July, 2025, a jury ruled against SIG and awarded them 2.35 million to a plaintiff who's P three 20 fired while unholstered citing a defect.
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  Then in November, a Philadelphia jury hit SIG with an$11 million verdict for an Army veteran injured when his P three 20 went off in his jacket.
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  Jacket.
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  So, so how has law enforcement been responding?
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  Well, it's been a mixed bag.
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  Several police departments have pulled the P three 20 from service.
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  We're talking big names like Milwaukee, Dallas the Transit Police in Philly.
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  Philly and agencies in Alabama, Connecticut, Florida, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin.
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  On the federal side, things even got heated in July, 2025 when ICE issued a memo banning the P three 20 and ordering a, a switch to the Glock 19.
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  This came after a 2020 ICE report noted a spike in unintentional discharge after adopting the P three 20 with 12 incidents and seven injuries in just 18 months.
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  The US Army's global Strike Force also halted the use of the M 18 citing safety concerns after a transit.
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  Tragic incident went on a Fe Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming where an airman Braden Lun lost his life to win a P three 20 discharge.
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  The Air Force is now inspecting their entire M 18 arsenal, the Army who, spearhead the, the P three 20, though isn't budging despite the 2024 FBI ballistics resource facility re, FBI research facility report that just started becoming public raising concerns that the M 18 striker safety lock and SR wear, the Army says they're standing by their pistols.
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  They argue the FB i's findings.
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  Couldn't be consistently reproduced and following up.
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  Test with Sig.
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  Meanwhile, the Michigan State Police, after initially raising concerns, have resumed issuing their P three 20 testing, showed no stances.
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  So the split, you know, response tells me one thing, there's a trust issue.
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  Some agencies are jumping ship, others are doubling down, you know.
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  For me, this type of inconsistency isn't good.
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  Now what sig say, well, they've been pretty vocal.
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  They're not backing down their stance.
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  The P three 20 is safe, period.
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  They say it cannot, under any circumstance, discharge without a trigger pull.
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  They pointed to rigorous testing by the US military, federal, and state, and law enforcement and independent labs, all of which they claim proved the P three twenty's reliability.
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  SIGs even released videos breaking down the pistol.
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  Safety features like the trigger safety make ahead of them and the prevent discharge unless you know the triggers deliberate.
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  Pool.
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  They argue that many report incidents are due to user error and proper hol string nagging on gear.
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  Failure to follow proper, safe handling procedures.
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  SIGs also quick to note that the unintentional, unintentional discharge happen with all firearms, not just P three 20.
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  So now they're throwing everybody under the bus, right?
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  They've had legal wins.
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  12 federal lawsuits claiming the P three 20 can fire without a trigger pull, have been dismissed, including one by a unanimous, unanimous eight person jury.
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  But this is where I get set skeptic, SIGs pushing, you know, hard on the user error angle and.
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  While I agree, there's training and discipline are critical, the volume of accidents, especially with trained professionals, seems to suggest that there's more to it.
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  The FBI report obtained by a shooting influence pointed to specific issues like an unseated striker safety lock spring and warm sewages.
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  That's technical stuff, but it could explain why some guns might fire under stress, like one officers running or drawing from the holster.
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  Sig said they've worked with the FBI and Michigan State Police and are following up tests showing no problems.
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  So where does that leave SIG?
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  Well, it, you know, the P three 20 is innovative.
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  And it's trusted by thousands.
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  These, but these safety concerns, in my opinion, cannot be res ignored.
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  SIGs got a responsibility to keep pushing transparency, releasing all the testing data, not just the highlights.
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  They need to prioritize training with agencies and that the, safe handling and continue to be accountable.
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  The controversy's far, far over, but one thing's clear.
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  Our freedom to bear arms comes with the responsibility to demand the best from those to me, I wouldn't be buying a P three 20 right now.
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  I know people love it.
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  People have tons of them.
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  Sit back because you know, one of the most important things about a gun for me is that when you pull the trigger, it goes bang.
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  And when you don't pull the trigger, it doesn't go bang.
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  Those are the two main things.
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  You can talk about external safeties and all that, but your number one safety is your trigger, your finger, and it can fire without using that.
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  Those are concerns.
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  So we're gonna keep watching, you know SIGs not backing down and, but the story's not going away either.
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  So if you haven't subscribed to this podcast send me a message.
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  Tell me what you think.
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  Tell me what you think of your P three 20.
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  Love to hear about it.
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  And if not, have a safe shooting and have a great weekend.