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Bears Over Beers: Is Ryan Poles Setting Up A Big Trade? · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_00]: what's going on Chicago Bears fans and other dishes of bears over beers powered by second city gridiron.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Drossie here with my good friend, Brian Orangeuk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan, how you doing this week?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't great, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Season's getting closer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's starting to feel like fall in the mornings where I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hopefully it's getting nicer and more crisp near you as well and yeah man that means football is soon upon us and so we've got a lot to talk about you know as a season near closer and and beer start to shift a little bit this time of year two I'm curious to see what you have but excited to be with you and everybody else and yeah talk some shot man how are you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I wish the air was crisp here, but we've been having 90 plus degrees in the Midwest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, there's like a heat wave hitting right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been really hot this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was getting kind of cool in the mornings, but hopefully this doesn't last too long because I'm certainly ready for some fall weather.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, we're just what are we going to have away from the first meaningful games we've got preseasoned in our rear view mirror.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a couple of weeks here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since we've done an addition of bears over beer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely want to get on and talk with all of you here on the second city feed about
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[SPEAKER_00]: what's been happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got some fun stuff tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got I'm going to be giving away one of these stranglehold banners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just tweeted this out about an hour ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're watching for that, we're going to be doing that a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to give people time to enter the contest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Rob over a tally brand was kind enough to give us an extra to give out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know you got one, two, Brian, these things are gigantic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's five feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the Darth burden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of our lucky listeners going to be winning one of those here
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, it's going to be an exciting show excited to get this out to somebody and can't wait to see pictures of it flying proudly in someone's neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Brian, what do you got the glass today?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you drinking?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so normally I go into my fridge, but this won't fit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a bottle for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a quadruple Belgium.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's a quad as you can see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a from a brewery called Wirebacher in Pennsylvania.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's 11.8% and I actually got to try it on tap at my little spot in town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I told you guys about it's called Blue Ridge Beer Hub.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's delicious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I made sure I tried it before I bite it and uh look you could tell nice thing over here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Caramelie, it's potent, packs a delicious punch and but it's smooth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's when I'm drinking tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get this the summer finished off in the fall
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was thinking about that tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I did pick up my first October fest of the year, but it's just so hot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't what's that I almost did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's so hot out here right now that I'm like, I just don't feel in the mood tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was also thinking about getting like a coffee stout or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love those once it gets a little cooler and I saw a nice one tonight, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, I had to go with a theme of what we've been drinking lately, so I'm going to give another shout out to our friends at Goose Island, and I know you like this line, Brian, so I got this time the hazy beer hug.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is not the one that's 9.9%, this one is more like 7, I think, 6.8%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and this one's got peaches and guava in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems like a nice good summary beer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty pumped to try this one out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm assuming it's going to be kind of a lighter color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't have my bears overbears mug.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I drank out of it last night, but I do have a revolution brewing from the great city of Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to pour this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, as it looks like lemonade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but yeah, man, I am very excited to be drinking one out with you tonight, talking bears football, getting hyped for the season, giving away a Luther burden that you can see a nice and big full screen behind me, Luther burden flag tonight to one lucky listener, all kinds of stuff going guys, if you want to help us out by the way, while you're here, please subscribe to the channel and hit the like button.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cheers, Brian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cheers, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is pretty light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it crisp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've had that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I've had them on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really, really good beer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got Talley brand in the chat, Rob saying good luck when a stranglehold rally flag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can also get that on a t-shirt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you go to the product page, you will find a quote for myself there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So shout out Rob for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the stranglehold t-shirt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: product page, tallybrand.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, by the way, also you can get a discount at tallybrand.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you use the code beer all caps on your orders free shipping and a free sticker pack, your Darthburn sticker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all you got to do is put in the code beer to get a hold of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, yeah, we'll be giving it away here in a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brian, speaking of merch,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we should start right here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the bears just dropped a bunch of merch the other day, all themed around their new rival regersies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we haven't really had a chance to talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since it came out, I'm gonna try to get a picture of it on the screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, all bears fans have seen them by now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, what do you think of those rival regersies that dropped?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'll give you my thought progression, first thing I thought, because I saw orange helmets, I was not happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a fan of orange helmets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, with that said, I think it was more the color combination of the past orange that they've had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's typically been orange with orange and white.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that just looks kind of like my hat right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be accented with a healthy dose of navy in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what these are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I actually don't mind them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I might have even liked it better with orange or a sorry with navy pants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the orange being the accent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't mind these.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the numbers are cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually wish they didn't have the white trim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it reminded me of early 2000s and I was in college and I did create, I didn't mad in the franchises and I made my own uniforms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These kind of reminded me of the uniforms I would make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think fans are gonna be happier when they see them on the field and the guys are moving around and playing in them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the patch could have been smaller.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually would have liked,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the stripes on the side, they're a little bit odd to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they could be either smaller or bigger, but they're kind of like in between size, which makes it a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But overall, I like them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like also the straight navy and orange stripes socks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like those, there's no white in them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the colors jump out and I think like I said, I think it's gonna be really nice when we see them on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but I'm liking the orange helmet with the orange pants being that there's a navy jersey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, some people have pointed out looks like the fighting a line I, some people said it looks like Syracuse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Chcombris, or even made fun of us for looking like Syracuse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see those, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, let me just say, the people that are angry about the fighting a line I look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the inspiration for the bears, you know, on their color way, pop up bears all the monitors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no problem with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the bears every single week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say it's growing on me a little bit, not enough to want to purchase one of the jerseys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are some things that I like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like the hellest patch that I throw back to the 1983 trivia they did back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the orange numbers, because it reminds me, we've talked about it on the show before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The monsters are the midway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, throwback jerseys they wore and like the early 20 teens, I don't know, start wearing those around 2010.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those to me are my favorite throwback still and yeah, and this kind of reminds me of those a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I liked that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really do not like the vertical stripes on the sleeve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like something about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just you're so used to the the stripes going the other way and I just can't get used to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just looks like a design flaw to me, even though it's purposeful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the pants are fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The socks like you said, I think those look sharp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that I thought was cool and I don't really get the design choice in these is how they got the cursive monsters of the midway, but it's like written inside the collar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you not put that on the outside?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at least it's visible to people watching the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand the purpose of putting that inside the collar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it looked a lot cooler on the outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like how on the NBA jerseys they've got like the number of NBA titles, the teams of one on the back of the collar now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She put that on the outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the purpose of putting that inside?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that don't really like orange helmets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it looks sharp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think my biggest problem is the vertical stripes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I just don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, like I said, it's kind of been between for me, like either go all the way to the neck, which could be a neat little thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the white alternate we've had with the striped helmets, those have those longer stripes, or have it be smaller, you know, but it's kind of like, yeah, it looks kind of like a, it does kind of flaw, like you said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who knows?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think or you know, even tie it into the helmet somehow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it like looks connected more put the stripes vertical on the socks, you know, like make it make it look something like see, you know, a transition, but they didn't so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think once they're all together, they're going to look crisp and clean and fresh and and especially against the Packers and their piss yellow cream yellow uniforms that they came out with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it's going to be a nice nice makes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we have some snow that day too, which would make him even pop more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I was gonna mention that too, and glad you brought that up, that how, you know, you say that the horizontal stripes on the socks, but then the vertical sleeves, just doesn't match up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's my OCD.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I am very particular.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm one of those guys who will hang a frame and like get the level out, make sure it's exactly the whole, so like, when I see this, it's just throwing me off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: don't like it at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the sleeves are the biggest problem for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows, pretty much right now, maybe I'm ordering a jersey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But right now, not a heat, not, they're fine, but not enough to order jersey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if they ever bring back the early 20 teens throwbacks, I'll probably order one of those because I never got one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm, I'm just kind of waiting on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was one of the people that was hoping it would be more of a white color way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was disappointing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite thing about the whole thing is is the 1940s throwback logo with Chicago in the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the football that that is sweet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of the merch, you know, themed around that is very, very sharp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did order the Air Max 90s that are bears theme that got the GSH patch on the back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like those look really nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Order one of those when
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[SPEAKER_01]: thinking about one of the hoodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just so high at the prices on these are crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the hoodie with that Chicago with the throwback 40s logo kind of on the upper chest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of cool looking merch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that came out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the the bears logo that the team changed their twittle Twitter twittle Twitter profile picture that the old school bear on the ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love that logo too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, if if I didn't care about my marriage so much, I would have gotten a few of those things already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's this 400 dollar bill on your
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't know anyways, we thought it'd be worth throwing out talking about it because a lot of people can talk about social media lately and we definitely have thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll be wearing those on Christmas day, the rivalries outfit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how it looks in the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, maybe you'll have a couple gifts under the Christmas tree brine with some of that throwback merch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It, it, it have to be from you or our listeners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be my wife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say that much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a couple different ways we could take this next angle because we want to talk about the 53 man roster that was set this week, but also I mean, the thumbnail for this show on YouTube is about the rumors that are flying around still that the bears could make a possible trade still for an edge Russia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you go back the bears trading for Julius peppers, you know, just like in our, not Julius peppers, Cleo Mac, right before the season started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there's precedent that they can make a big move like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it's going to happen, Brian and who who's the guy that you would be targeting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but you put me on a spot, I don't think it's gonna happen, but if it does, that would be excited if it were a difference maker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, you know, it should bring it in a Mario Edwards type, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Josh Sweat is a name that's been floating around he'd be fun, I don't think it'll be Crosby, I think he's gonna at least stick in Vegas until the trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: personally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I wouldn't mind a, you know, a difference maker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just would like somebody to be somewhat young, you know, young enough to compete with us for the next few years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not someone that has one good year, like a Vaughn Miller.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't really be interested in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think it's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From the way that they sounded on the defensive line,
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[SPEAKER_01]: this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think today and yesterday, I feel like they're set there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they're expecting big things from Booker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dio has appeared to be making plays and practice throughout camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously they brought in Marcus Davenport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think they're going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they do, I would be excited because I feel like this is a good year to push your chips in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was more excited about going for a guy like Dexter Lawrence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was another detackle that was available recently, who was it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Need a van, be the van.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tampa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would have liked that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then we traded Javondexer, you know, they love what they see at November.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They like Jaden Loving, who's a UDFA that we were Ohio on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they got some young defensive tackles that I like, not big fan of Grady Jarrett, but we could use a difference maker upfront.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Richard Dent coined the rule of three when it comes to past rushers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he just got rid of our best interior past Russia in Geron Dexter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, they say Dio is a lot more effective on the inside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't mean he is effective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just means he's more effective, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not been effective as a past Russia period.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been a little bit better, but he's not a difference maker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not someone you really have to worry about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely don't have to double team him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would have liked that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just hope he's healthy to start the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he could be that guy opposite sweat to apply that pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then who knows, man?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe Van and Burger, James Lynch, they get enough push-up front.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because all that's what it takes is to get some pressure in the face of the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got to run outside the pocket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what a guy like sweat or booker can can just pounce because they have the athletic ability to break off their blocks, especially if he runs outside and get him down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I doubt it's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be upset if it did, but yeah, man, how about you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think Josh sweaters is worth possibly looking at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's been rumors about that for a while, but then a lot of people thought it was going to happen with Green Bay and Green Bay says, oh, no, we weren't considering that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw rumors out there that he could maybe had for like a third round pick, which I think would be worth it for this team if they can make it work.
18:08
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he's coming off 12 sacks, I think last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a couple years left on his contract.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe he has an out next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, Arizona obviously is not close to competing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he might just leave and they don't get anything for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think Josh sweat, maybe if you can pull that off, I'd be excited about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can add him to that rotation
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[SPEAKER_00]: awesome book are hopefully coming on and being healthy as we've talked about in this show constantly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, then you're talking about a decent past rush and, you know, Vandenberg just make it like you said, all these headlines in in the preseason, which is one of the reasons why one of the major reasons why they were comfortable letting uh draw on Dexter go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this guy is taken on two linemen and pushing them on their heels.
19:02
[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's got us all excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, I mean, I would definitely be making that call.
19:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that he is.
19:12
[SPEAKER_00]: We know polls has been aggressive, uh, speaking, speaking of all that.
19:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we brought up your contacts to kind of naturally we can flow into that conversation.
19:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, people maybe some people were surprised.
19:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I was not really surprised.
19:24
[SPEAKER_00]: They made that trade.
19:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the rumors had been out there for a few days.
19:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And some people were like, why would the bears trade a guy with a thin defensive line room, you know, and all of that?
19:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just to me, you look at it.
19:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jervand just didn't really fit Dennis Allen's defense never really had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not as explosives as they would want out of that position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and they didn't want to pay them next year.
19:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's what it really comes down to, and so, you know, they figured they'd get what they can right now.
19:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't a huge return by any means, but it was something, uh, how did you feel about the gervine texture tray?
19:57
[SPEAKER_00]: What was your own personal thoughts on that?
19:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I would, you'd always love to get more than than they got, but, um,
20:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he, the league has, has the tape, you know, and he struggled against the run, inconsistent as a past rusher, and a lot of people talked about a lot of his, his sacks were, they kind of just fell into his lap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't necessarily plays that, that he made and could do so consistently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I liked him as a player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was serviceable, but,
20:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to give these young guys a shot, you know, I hopefully cream sleeve is watching this because I told him when he was letting out his player rankings, I said you're going to have Vanneburg, he's going to be the guy that jumps more than any other player on this list in your rankings and sure enough it's looking like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would love to get, you know, some more aggression up front, some more three-down capability up front, you know, not just a
21:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Grady Jarrett is the real Albatross in that room, you know, and hopefully he can continue to improve as he appeared at the end of the season, but, but yeah, I'm not too too upset about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought we should have, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: gotten something from him and we did, you know, so he wasn't going to get that 50 option.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't going to, or you can't get 50 options non-first rounder, but you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't going to get a second contract in Chicago at least for $9 million.
21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're really going to have 15 plus million dollars no way.
21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just wasn't going to get that here.
21:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, it wasn't a scheme fit.
21:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think if he was dominant, you know, like he's kind of got that bill like a Chris Jones.
21:46
[SPEAKER_01]: If he was dominant like a Chris Jones at three tech, then we have a different conversation.
21:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was.
21:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I like him.
21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: He was he was a good bear who's good to the fans.
21:56
[SPEAKER_01]: He represented us well on and off the field, but I see why that business decision was made.
22:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm looking forward to seeing the young guy step up.
22:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And if we can add another pass rusher.
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: even with Booker and even with Diohelty, you know, more power to them, they're going to have you even more opportunities to have someone on one, you know, chances of the middle.
22:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Dave says in the chat, Josh Sweat and Montez Sweat, defense would be the sweatshop.
22:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So what?
22:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it would.
22:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think the Max Crosby things going to happen.
22:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I'd be overjoyed if they figured out a way to make it happen.
22:31
[SPEAKER_00]: The name keeps getting flowed out there, but like once he got sent back to Vegas just seems like he's all in on staying there.
22:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not impossible.
22:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I just just don't see it happening.
22:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see.
22:43
[SPEAKER_00]: the capital from the bears and making that work.
22:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But it seems like the just what thing could be doable.
22:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see what happens.
22:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we're following it.
22:51
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22:54
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's so hard to bet on baseball for me is it games every single day, you know, random stuff happens football, I feel like there's more you can study for the bets a little bit more, you know, it's one big game a week.
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24:41
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to save Ryan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't know what the NFL was thinking.
24:56
[SPEAKER_00]: sending New England to Seattle for the kickoff game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the most boring super bowls in recent history, and that's what you kickoff the season with.
25:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We could have had Chicago and Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, we're going to get New England and Seattle again.
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25:20
[SPEAKER_01]: There was so much hype over Drake May and the Patriots last year and Mike Frable
25:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And it came to a crashing screeching halt when they, you know, finally played someone that didn't enter their quarterback or, you know, was actually a good team.
25:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I wouldn't mind, you know, then getting a little slice of humble pie to start the year again, especially with all the crap and scandal that Rable went through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that was,
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I don't know if you call it a hate watch, but I'll call it a hate watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do fully expect the Seahawks to stomp them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, I'll be I'll be hammering Seattle to win that game for sure.
27:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And guys, as you get set for the NFL season, I want to just throw a shout out to that I'm doing a bunch of content right now.
27:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, continuing bears over beers with my good friend Brian here for the third year in a row.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just this week, I launched another podcast with a good friend of mine name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You may know him Kevin Keta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He, in the past, was the creator Big League Stu over at Yahoo's author, the book, Riggly World.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was the director at CHGO for the first several years that they were on the air and kind of in charge of helping that thing grow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super talented sports media guy in the Chicago area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kevin and myself launch the Bears by seven podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can find it on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you search Bears by seven, we would appreciate you guys subscribing to the channel.
27:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You can hear more from me over there.
27:51
[SPEAKER_00]: If you like bears, overbears.
27:53
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just search Bears by seven on your favorite podcasting platform.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin and I are planning on doing our shows on Monday evenings, keeping Wednesday free for bears over beers here on second city grid iron.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we are also going to be doing some bears by seven post game shows this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, help me out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want more content for myself, it's Bears by seven YouTube and your favorite podcasting platform.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we'll have to have Kevin on this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have a beer with him, talk some ball in the Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know for sure he would be down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He likes the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we will get that schedule.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got actually we got a few people that I think were lining up for guests this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked off air a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We should have some fun guests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So stay tuned for all of that.
28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's funny?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to a little bit of transparency vulnerability.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a dream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And many of you know that I played at UCF, you see my UCF, Garb, screwed about.
28:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a dream I ran into my old teammate Brandon Marshall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I was like, bro, I'm doing a podcast that you got to come on my podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I'll be running in a B-Marsh at some point this season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have him on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, funny dream where he was in it and he was like, all right, man, what's up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that'd be cool too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it'll take some more connections.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've not been able to reach him since, but we do have some cool guest lined up and some more ideas that we're discussing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, see who like it, you know, shout us a shoot us a message.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would you like to see us have a beer with?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good to take them on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you got to have some common friends still Brandon Marshall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to get that cell phone number, get them on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, the 53 man roster dropped Brian this week and a few surprises here and there, maybe with how many, you know, tight ends were kept, the wide receiver number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got some undrafted free agents sticking around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any big thoughts that you have, anything that's stood out for you on that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The two surprises to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that I expected to make the roster based on what I saw on training camp because I got to go we talked about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what I heard from the rest of training camp were running back Salvin on Med and receiver Caden Davis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I expected them to make the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought for sure a Med was going to make it over Rochon, which brings me to some thoughts that I want to get into,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just he's seen more explosive, more dynamic, more suited for the big play offense that Ben wants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and then Caden's same thing, you know, he was doing, he was making more plays than anyone in camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we talked about, he was clocked fastmen, anyone else regularly in camp, speed wise, and you see him blocking down field, he's a special team's guy too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, not surprised that they both made it back to the practice squad, but I did expect them to make to 53, and they did not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Other than that, no real surprises for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I was I was a little bit surprised that they only kept five wider severs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was that was the biggest one right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I wasn't that surprised on Rochon just because he's such a contributor on special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that when he got out there, he looked good getting the ball in in the preseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I especially think the second game he played pretty well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he we talked on the show before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that Rochon was always a guy who we wanted to see get more carries in those short-yarded situations.
31:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And he seemed to be just a pretty good downhill runner for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, obviously last year Kyle Manungai came on and kind of took that away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas like, well, you know, those are kind of the situations you want Rochon in there.
31:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Manungai was just crushing dudes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if anything, yeah, that just kind of came down to he could contribute on special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that then really values that.
32:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I think that's why he made the team.
32:08
[SPEAKER_00]: There's guys that flashed and they brought him back for the practice squad, you know, like Scotty Miller, he's played a lot in the NFL in the past.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked pretty good, especially and I think that first preseason game, he was looking pretty solid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing with Ahmed, fast dude, Kaden Davis, they had a lot of talent that they had to make some decisions on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I mean, I mean, there's some good stories like January, Kroma getting out there and making it, obviously, hanging around for a little while, getting his shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: James Lynch had a good preseason as well.
32:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And we already mentioned, Vandenberg, I mean, he's a draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You expect him to make the team, but I mean, he was one of the, I think, big surprises in the preseason for just how much that he flashed for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so well, and then you heard that sound come out this week.
32:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about contabies street having the best camp of any defensive tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was no one.
33:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to backtrack to what you said about Rochon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what what I was saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I you know, I talked about a mid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about on this show over the years, especially last year, we expected Rochon to have that more prominent David Montgomery role from Mr. Troit days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then Manangai filled that void admirably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, more so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He exceeded expectations.
33:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then what happened?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Manangai got hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, he was not even fully practicing today.
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: He was running around and Swift mentioned how he looked good,
33:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to imagine that a coach like Ben who wants to pound the rock and instill and flicked his will upon the defense, that having someone that can do that matters, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Extreme matters, more so maybe at least as much as a guy like Swift, who's healthy and Swift is looking amazing by all accounts, this camp.
34:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I was, I don't know if we didn't even talk about it.
34:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You might have seen my tweet.
34:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I was upset that we didn't get Jayden Blue who has dropped by the cowboys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was very high on Blue coming out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously he's got some maturity issues, which is apparently why he was cut by Dallas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he is a guy that I think Ben would have just, oh man, he would have been what he had fit, given the defense fits with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: as a running back in weapon with his speed and this offense and his ability in the passing game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he didn't do that, he pivoted and he went with Rochon and then they got a guy, Xavier Scott, who is over 220 pounds as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously there's some special teams versatility there where you kind of want more linebacker types, bigger safety types to do that
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants that, that, that, that Punisher style, which kind of has me now thinking, okay, next year in the draft.
35:10
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a number of guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A mod Hardy is one who is maybe drop in down draft boards because he got shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not all the way healthy yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is, I mean, he's breaking tackles close to what, um, uh, Gentie, uh, did in college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm getting ahead of myself
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like Ben wants more of that knuckles or that David Montgomery type secure in this offense.
35:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why they kept Rochon to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not going after the guys like a Jaden Blue or a film Motha who's another guy who's one of that bruiser types.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Rochon is a pro player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows the offense.
35:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's the guy that kind of does everything.
35:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He was like that in college.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you heard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: those stug running backs in college and he was fine to kind of do the dirty work there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of been the same way here.
36:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that carries value on a team with Ben Johnson at the helmet.
36:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And that can transition us to the next topic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, guys who are doing things the right way on and off the field that the coaches want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have those that aren't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there aren't many.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we know that's one of your your favorite guys, Brian.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's one of my favorites and so I'm kind of having a hard time on this one because I've been I've been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: eager to have him back, but one of our buddies that's on this channel, Ross Reed pointed out today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that the footage came out of Collar Gordon doing some more training.
36:51
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks good, and he seems serious.
36:53
[SPEAKER_01]: He's puttin' in the work, and there was a foot doctor he's working with who apparently worked with J.L.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and Johnson, and some other guys, I think Swift, and maybe some other guys on the team and throughout the league.
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I pointed out is this,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even in college, you see F was the vision one, but UCF was not a powerhouse program like the SEC teams or big 10 teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even at UCF, the doctors were in cooutes with the coaches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The doctors in the coaching staff were in one accord as far as what their priorities in the goals were.
37:32
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the doctors and I'm not saying all doctors are like this, but, but I absolutely from my experience in a division one program and I was just on walk on, but I saw it all the time.
37:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they would rather shoot you up and mask the pain and risk that long term injury if it may get you back on the field.
37:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've heard stories about some of these SEC programs doing the same type of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: as for the long-term players' help.
38:04
[SPEAKER_01]: They might give you lip service.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what a good coach or GM should do.
38:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But you have to wonder if some of that's going on right now with Kyler.
38:13
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Kyler seems the type that's that's confident in himself who he is right.
38:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been a dancer his whole life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to make sure his body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been through his injury stuff before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he doesn't want to come back and then have to miss games again.
38:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hopefully he wants to make sure that he's fully back.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He strikes me as a guy that wants to establish himself Spider-Man as a dominant force in this league.
38:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But he can't do it if he's not 100%.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want to risk getting re-injured.
38:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he might get that medical clearance from some of the higher ups in the medical staff.
38:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And they might say, you're not going to further risk injury.
38:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to make it worse, right?
38:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get you back on the field.
38:52
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the coaches are going to say, we want to back, we want to back, they trust the medical staff.
38:56
[SPEAKER_01]: but you have to have Kyler on the other end of the spectrum here and trust what he's saying.
39:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't really like the honestly, if there's one issue I have with Ben Johnson, it's kind of how he's throwing Kyler under the bustle a little bit.
39:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's not doing it intentionally.
39:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting asked questions, but the way he's handling it is not very diplomatic.
39:14
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's kind of like that that that dad who gets asked a question by his daughter from a hundredth time at dinner and is is not really graceful.
39:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I've been there and
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not being the most diplomatic or gracious to my children at that point and and that's not how I should be and and you know I feel like Ben could be a little bit, but they want to pressure on the player.
39:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a tricky situation and I get I get you know Because there's a question marks.
39:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get put them on the pub to start the year if he's not back after that fourth game
39:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I'm going to be a little bit worried, but I expect him to be to play the rest of the season, barring another unforeseen type of injury, but I'm still saddened with Spidey Man.
39:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just been really weird like you mentioned Ben, but then even Ryan pulls this week when he had that press conference and he was asked about he was even going to play again and he said I don't know that's pretty started like when your GM is like, I don't know this guy's going to play for us again, you know, and he was also asked about
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[SPEAKER_00]: if Kyler was working with outside medical counsel, there was like some miscommunication there.
40:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that kind of leads in nicely to what you were saying, where, you know, the medical staff might be in co hoots with the coaches and they're pushing to get them out there.
40:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But then Kyler is talking to his outside staff who you don't have that same kind of pressure from the organization on them.
40:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like,
40:38
[SPEAKER_00]: not yet because these calf injuries can lead to an ACL injury and we don't want you to want that to happen.
40:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so a lot of money at stake.
40:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So we need you to be sure that we're healthy here.
40:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that's probably what's happening.
40:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the communication piece between all sides has not been
40:58
[SPEAKER_00]: handled properly and you should never have a situation where the head coach and the GM are going in front of the media.
41:05
[SPEAKER_00]: They just don't know what's going on with one of your top tier players, you know, and maybe that's not their fault either.
41:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know who is to play.
41:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a weird weird situation.
41:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Really weird.
41:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the bears are a lot better when he's out there in the healthy and hopefully it's starting week five, we can get him out there.
41:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:26
[SPEAKER_01]: No, for sure.
41:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely frustrating and you know, I get it, you know, and a lot of people are saying, oh, he got the bag and then he bailed.
41:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't, I don't think that's the case, but again, I'm kind of a glass have full type of guy, you know, I don't, I don't typically think those sort of things, but you know, we know who we play week five.
41:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Green Bay.
41:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Green Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Green Bay, yeah.
41:54
[SPEAKER_01]: do the old string hold.
41:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice segue.
42:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me get the Twitter pick her up and we'll do the drawing.
42:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I just put out a tweet probably about 10 minutes ago saying that I was going to do this in 10 minutes.
42:09
[SPEAKER_00]: A nice timing on your part, Brian.
42:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just check the timestamp on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Eight minutes ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty dang close.
42:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty dang close.
42:17
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
42:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to share my
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully this works.
42:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you guys remember when we did the training camp giveaway.
42:25
[SPEAKER_00]: The first time I did it I thought the website was going to work totally fine.
42:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I get on there and you had to pay to use it and I actually paid to do a drawing because I was like streaming in my Twitter page and a bear us the buy like, oh my god, I got to pay.
42:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't even have another site lined up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I'm going to pay two bucks through this drawing.
42:43
[SPEAKER_00]: This one was free.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did this for the next training camp giveaway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This will work.
42:49
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
42:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to share my screens.
42:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys know this is totally legit here on bears over beers and we will pick the I don't want to share the audio here.
42:59
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll pick the winner of the stranglehold Darth Burton flag you ready.
43:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So I got on here.
43:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to follow me.
43:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to follow Brian.
43:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to follow Tali brand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's based on the retweets.
43:15
[SPEAKER_00]: You tell me one, Brian.
43:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is easy.
43:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do countdown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, burdens number is 10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do 10, second countdown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 10, and nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully get those last minute entries in, because here we go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pick it a winner, processing your giveaway,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got a 120 chance of winning, only 20 participants.
43:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:45
[SPEAKER_00]: We put it up kind of late.
43:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So big Todd at Bluegrass Kings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I speak Todd.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Big Todd is the winner.
43:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that profile picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
43:57
[SPEAKER_00]: No point.
43:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, listen, something you might not know about me, Dr. Oste is I love me some Bluegrass bro.
44:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a big.
44:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's big.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So happy for you big Todd, congrats man.
44:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait to see a pick.
44:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We should have had that in the in the in the rules.
44:13
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to show us a picture of where you end up hanging it.
44:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like congratulations.
44:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Very nice.
44:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So big Todd is the winner.
44:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Talking with a Tallybrand Rob, I think we're going to be doing more of these giveaways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So stay tuned to our Twitter feeds.
44:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you're following me at Ryan Drosty.
44:32
[SPEAKER_00]: That's D-R-O-S-T-E or at Brian Orangeuk.
44:35
[SPEAKER_00]: and we'll have more, I think the idea is we want to give away some almost every week leading up to Packer Week and week five to get people primed and frothing at the mouth to go into Lambo Field, Brian, and get that victory.
44:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I've got a banner myself and I mean that might have to get given away next week
45:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of which, we're going to be on a show next week.
45:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when the NFL starts, that'll be tricky.
45:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So watch the game with us.
45:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That's on the background when we watch with you.
45:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it'll be like a live show.
45:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll just be talking about the game and any other bare stuff that comes up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hanging out, drinking beer watching the game with us.
45:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's good to me.
45:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds very good.
45:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, anything we didn't hit that you wanted to talk about or we can't get home here.
45:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, there's been a lot of criticism of Ryan Poles as a GM and his draft picks on the defense, um, yeah, everyone's been talking about it.
45:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you had anything you wanted to state on that.
45:38
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it.
45:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I was by seven the other night a little bit.
45:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:41
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and so yeah, I'd say go check out that show.
45:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are a good job.
45:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I turned in for a good little bit.
45:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I think he, I think he's, um,
45:52
[SPEAKER_01]: None of us are immune to criticism.
45:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't think he gets credit where it's due.
46:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he gets plenty of criticism, but not enough credit.
46:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And
46:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's closer to a mid GM than he's great, but the thing I like about Paul's is he's young and he's growing and he's learning and he's got Ben now.
46:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm more confident in his...
46:22
[SPEAKER_01]: in his future than I am prior to Ben and the mishaps that he's thankfully learned from.
46:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but you got to give him credit to, not just put him down.
46:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, most of the criticisms have been about the defensive draft picks, you know, rightfully so, and the ongoing thing is that he hasn't been able to hit really in round three with the picks he's had like Amagaji and Zach Pickins and Vailus Jones Jr.
46:53
[SPEAKER_00]: this year, you know, we got Xavier on Thomas and Sam Rauschett in the third round.
46:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think those guys hopefully will pan out a little bit for him.
47:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously Xavier looked pretty dang good in the in the preseason.
47:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So we shall see, but you know, you look at the defensive side.
47:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I said this on Bears by seven.
47:12
[SPEAKER_00]: and you know he has had some decent finds late like Elijah Hicks was a seventh round pick and he's played some decent minutes he's not like a probal level player anything but always for a seventh round pick at safety he's been a he's been a decent player and if Austin Booker comes on like we think he can mean that's a fifth round pick.
47:32
[SPEAKER_00]: right there obviously monunga was a southern brown pick but keeping a defense you know booker in round five I mean that that couldn't that be in a heck of a pick if this season goes the way we think it can and then you got Jordan Vandenberg is a six-round pick this year you know so um i don't i think the history is not fully written on him as uh as a defensive drafter right
47:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and you have also Malik Mohamed this year that they got, you know, so I think the jury still out and you have a different coaching staff.
48:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, from last year in this year, you've got the same, but his first couple drafts, obviously, were with Flucing Co, but Lake Mahamo was a fourth round pick, and we obviously, first round pick, the guy who fell in our last, Dylan Daineman, and he's healthy.
48:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously huge bummer Kobe Bryant's the healthy but Thineman's healthy and he appears to be coming along nicely in camp, really excited to see him.
48:36
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a polls pick too.
48:37
[SPEAKER_01]: We could have gone defensive line, which maybe we should have.
48:40
[SPEAKER_01]: We could have gone offensive, but Thineman was the right pick at the time of my opinion, and that's a polls.
48:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have to trade up form, which a lot of people thought he might have, and he played it smart without his boy in cunning him, holding them back.
48:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so, you know, he gets credit for that, too, but, um, but yeah, I mean, I think, like I said, if you're going to criticize me, you got to give him his flowers, too, and he's got plenty of those.
49:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:08
[SPEAKER_00]: One last note here on Kyler, uh, because Rob checked out with Telly Brandy says, uh, Spider-Man's whole thing is getting knocked down by the same villain and still climbing back up.
49:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Soft tissue has been Kyler's green goblin.
49:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still in the suit.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not tired.
49:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright guys this has been fun it's been another addition of bears over beers we got the strangle hold banner given away so congrats again on that countdown the days to the start of the NFL season will be here next Wednesday night live with you as the NFL season
49:41
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49:50
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49:55
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49:59
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to hear a little more out of me throughout the week.
50:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Brian has cash is beer.
50:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that.
50:05
[SPEAKER_00]: How much you got left, bro?
50:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, yeah.
50:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It's two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A third of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two sips, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe fourth, even.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you, bud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There he is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right on time.
50:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Right on time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining us, everybody.
50:23
[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look forward to seeing you next week.
50:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.