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11 | Stranger Things Full Series Discussion + Season 5 Theories · Let's Talk! An Our2Gens Podcast

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Let's talk. So Stranger Things season 5 is
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coming out? Finally.
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Yes, we are so excited because it's been so long, literally
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since the last season, like 2022.
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Yes, ridiculous. Oh my God.
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Ridiculous, but take it back to 2016 when it first started.
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You were a child. I was a.
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Child, I was like 10 or 11 or something like that and now I'm
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fully grown. That is insane.
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Just like the the kids on the show.
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It's like half of my. Life.
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It was crazy going back and watching season 1 and seeing how
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small and adorable all the kids were.
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I know. You guys were all so cute 10
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years ago. We're not cute now.
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No, you guys are beautiful and handsome and all those things
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that you're supposed to be. Whatever.
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But literally we love these kids on screen because they were
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perfectly the same age as us. And it was a show from my
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generation, but like showing love for yours.
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And I think that was such a great match because you had all
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of these different generations coming together and pressing
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play on Netflix for the same show.
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Usually we like different shows. So it was kind of jarring and a
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kind of amazing in the music and the nostalgia was just
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fantastic. Like I love it.
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Also, not to cut you off, but like 2016 is about to be 10
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years ago. I don't.
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Even want to think about that because it's 10 years ago, but
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also maybe three years ago in my head, right?
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Maybe I'm saying I'm saying, but it's just fantastic.
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You had this amazing cast of young child stars and they.
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Were all such great actors. Really, really great actors,
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right? I'm so surprised.
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Like, they killed it the whole way through.
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Yeah. Because if you, I can't tell by
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now, we rewatched the entire season series.
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All fours did. We did and season 2 is the best.
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Argue with them. You know, it's hard for me
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because I really like Season 4. Why?
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I'm not going to say why because obviously it's.
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So good, but also Season 1 because I love an origin story
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and that brought us into the series.
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And so it's difficult to put it, but I think I might go for 1/2
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and then three. 4123 I'm offended.
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It's 2143. OK, well, I want to know what
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everybody thinks. Yeah, no, because season 2 is
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the best, right? It's one in four, one in four
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for me that. No, no, I love season 2.
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It was set around Halloween. We introduced Max, which poor
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Max. Hopefully she lives in this new
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season. I don't know, like what people
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are hoping is going to happen, what theories are, but like, my
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actual theory is that she's not going to die.
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It's going to be like Dustin or Steve.
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You just hurt my feelings right there.
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Because yes, I don't. Because we know it's the end of
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the series. Anybody can get it right?
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Anybody. Anybody.
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I love all the characters so much I'm going to cry
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hysterically no matter who. Dies.
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When Eddie died, I was inconsolable, he said.
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I didn't run this time. You should have ran you.
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Should have ran him so much. But I mean, if we're going to
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talk about theories, I hope that Max makes a full recovery.
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I don't want her to have any remnants of what Vecna did to
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her. A few.
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Broken legs, a broken arm. She can't feel anything, she
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can't see anything. See, I just hope that she's back
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to being our our our lovely. Max Lovely firecracker, Max.
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I hope so too. But this is a horror and a
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sci-fi or whatever. It's just supernatural, no?
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It's kind of fantastic though, right?
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And like all of our characters and all of our monsters, every
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season was great because Season 1, we did not know that Vegna
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was the one controlling this whole thing.
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We didn't know it was just down to a Demogorgon, which was scary
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enough. And it was a great like start.
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And then it went to the Mind Flare.
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The Mind Flare had a proxy. And then it went to Vegna.
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And he's his ultimate big bad. And he's also #1 which is
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insane, yes. And he's Krill's son.
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Like he's this the guy they thought was the big serial
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killer in the murder house. Like it was actually.
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The sun, it was the sun. You knew something was sketchy
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though when they did like the flashback of him telling the
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story and they didn't show the sun a little bit They.
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Showed him when he walked in his honey was serving face, did you
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see? Harriet, he was like mogging.
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He was a beautiful little child, but no, he didn't focus on the
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kids at all, which is genius storytelling.
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Just hide it. It was there.
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All they did was replay all the things we already saw, but they
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hid it. From his perspective, he's a
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serial killer. Yes.
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He is a serial killer. He's a great serial killer.
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Fantastic. And you want to talk about stuff
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they withheld, they let us believe that Elle was the one
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who killed all the kids in the in the hospital.
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Lab whatever messed up. But then they started showing us
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more of their bodies and we saw that they're broken, like shows.
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I was like, oh, you got me, yes. Just like Chrissy and just like
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Fred eyes popped out, which Oh my goodness, just until that
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moment. The show wasn't very like
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graphic and like disturbing in that sense.
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Obviously people died and we saw blood and stuff, but this their
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bones breaking. Oh, just yeah, there was the jaw
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that got. Me and the eyes popping in, it
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was all very, very graphic. Very.
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And I was like, oh. I mean, great.
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Great. It's horror.
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What are you talking about? Poor kids, They were like
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teenagers. He's killing these teens like a
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serial killer and it's so disturbing and it's fantastic.
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Apparently he's going after Will in Season 5 one last time.
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Right, that's what it looks like on the 1st 5.
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Minutes yeah on the on the on the 5 minutes and on the teaser
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cuz he was like I need let's do this one last time right and you
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see this image of him floating right will and he's about to do
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the little thing with his claw with.
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The hand, yeah, yeah, so. It's him and Will this time
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we've. Got a thing for Will?
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Everyone's got a thing for Will Season 1.
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First off, we barely saw Will in season 1.
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He. Had to barely there just.
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I mean, he got paid half what everybody else got paid.
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Apparently right he was. In so few episodes.
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And then we did see him in season 2.
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Wasn't he asleep a lot too? Yeah, he was passed out and then
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finally in Season 3 we see him a little bit and all he does is
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clutch his neck. Oh yeah, he knows when the Mind
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Flayer is close because he can. Hovering.
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But he didn't know that it wasn't the Mind Flayer, it was
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Vecna. This whole time he was sensing
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the presence of Vecna. Right, because it's a hive mind,
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yes. Which Vecna?
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Just to be clear, Vecna is the one that created the mind Flayer
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because we saw this like fog shadow thingy when he first got
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there when L banished him there and he sort of morphed it to
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look like a spider just like the ones that he was.
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Playing with playing. With in the house.
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Absolutely. So he made but put it into its
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true form, essentially. Basically because it was just
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out there floating around. Yeah.
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And it does what he wants it to do.
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Exactly. So all of that was him.
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The rats exploding in the. Proxy and thinking about that,
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it was like in my you know when you get intrusive thoughts.
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Oh my gosh, mine. Were the goo the rat goo and all
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the people turning to goo because you could see bones?
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In it. And teeth and hair.
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And the sound, Oh my God, the sound of the design on the show.
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Disgusting. Disgusting, but very cool.
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Very, very cool. Yeah, but it's interesting that
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he needed a physical form to get back at these kids.
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Yeah, cuz the my employer itself couldn't make it through right?
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Even though we have one little piece in Russia.
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We do, which we don't know how that happened.
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I'm thinking they like found a way to steal it.
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I wouldn't be surprised because they were over there doing
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experiments on the on the Demogorgans.
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Demogorgans. Yeah, Demogorgans are the
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standing ones. Yes, yes, and the demo dogs are
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the see at the end of season 3 when the one was crawling out
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like a demo dog and then it stood up like a Demogorgon.
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And why was it like super light skin?
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See. Yeah, it was a little albino.
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Yeah, I was like. OK.
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We love diversity, OK? We love a light skinned queen.
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So yeah, honestly, I think for information wise, season 3 was
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the most informational. Absolutely.
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Season 2 was the best. Season 2 was amazing and I don't
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want anybody to think that I did not like there was not a season
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that I did not. Like no, yeah.
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It was very cool. Season 2 got bigger.
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You know, we got to go different places.
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We went to Philly, right? Or Chicago.
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Chicago. It was one of those.
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To meet to another big city and to meet 8 exactly.
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Her sister Callie. And so I love all the seasons,
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but there's something about four, maybe, because we get to
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meet Vecna finally, and we find out kind of Elle's origin story,
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all this missing information that we didn't have in there for
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her because she had been, she's been traumatized for a long
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time. Yeah, thinking that she did this
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thing exactly. And she didn't, actually, but
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she did open up the gate for the Upside.
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Down. She damaged it.
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So when she opened it up again in Season 1, it wasn't that much
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of A stretch. It was already there.
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Exactly. Exactly.
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And even though she created Vecna in that form, he was
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already evil. He was already who he was, but
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he really tried to play in her face.
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Like he was like he was nice. Even on IMDb he's listed as a
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friendly orderly. Friendly orderly.
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Stop playing with me, you. A whole lie, and you know it.
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You a whole. Lie cuz after he turned back
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into one slash Vecna like his hair was slicked.
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Back cheekbones were popping. Popping, Yeah.
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It's like OK. Again serving face.
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OK, you cannot be a bad guy unless you're gorgeous.
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Apparently those are the rules. But I think everyone else knew
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he was going to be important because apparently he was in
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like Shadowhunters or something. And then?
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Twilight like he's a. Guy that people have known for a
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long time. So when he popped up, people
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were like, he's important. He's important.
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I do pay attention to that too. With cast, I'm like, no way.
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This is just a small role, But I don't know if they knew he was
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going to be who he was. Like the big bad, the big.
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Bad of the entire series. Let us know until super late in
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subtle, you know, connection to him being Vecna.
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Very subtle. We did not know.
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Wow. I know, right?
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I'm sorry, but the Duffer Brothers and their whole staff
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of writers, it's just genius the way that they put this story
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together. I've seen the Duffer Brothers
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show Bible because it's available online.
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Is that right? How big?
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Is it it's just what they use to pitch the show.
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So it's not a whole lot. And you know, I think it was
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released or it was available to look at after season 1 and it
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didn't give anything away. Got you.
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But it was so they had pictures in there and they made sure to
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to to show tone. So they basically had such a
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clear vision of what this show was that it makes perfect sense
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that Four Seasons in, it feels this good.
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Yeah. Because even though it's been 10
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years in the making, we watched it really, really quick.
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We could binge this in a week. Yeah.
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Watching it that fast edition, I didn't see any mistakes.
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I didn't see anything. They made me go wait.
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That doesn't really make sense. Or go back and explain that not
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really, no. They.
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Got it pretty right. So yeah, I love.
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It shout out to them. Honestly, I love nerds.
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I love some nerds, you know? When will you create something
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and it's so major like this and it was an original idea?
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Yay, imagine that. Imagine that.
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Come on. But yeah, Season 5 is going to
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be epic, I know it. Someone's going to die for sure.
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And I know their music budget is about to be off the chain.
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I'm so. Excited, those pin drops have
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been amazing. So good.
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Shout out to Kate Bush though, because I'm.
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She's a hero of Season 4, I know.
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And that was a fun song. I mean, I don't remember it very
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much in the 80s. Maybe that just wasn't my genre
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I was listening to at the time, but that song was perfect for
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the show. Perfect.
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Like I don't know how long it took him to find that.
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But and just like you should do this and then mix it with like
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their actual score and like mesh it together.
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And then yes, Hopper was doing that with the sword, and he cut
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its head off. And it was like and.
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Nancy, we love Nancy. She's.
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Fire. She's turned into a like a tough
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chick. I love it.
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Yeah. And Jonathan?
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Not so much. But we all need an artist
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boyfriend. All he does is smoke weed now.
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I know with Argyle Argyle. I love Argyle.
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Love Argyle, he's got great hair.
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Phenomenal hair he's obsessed with.
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Eden they probably never see. Very Utah.
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Knowing Argyle, he'll probably hop in his little pizza van and
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fly up there just to just. To go see her.
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But do we know if he's like a main character or if he was like
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Eddie just one season? I don't know.
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I mean, he went to Hawkins. He did go with them.
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He drove him there. Did he drive back though?
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See, I don't know. I believe I did see him listed
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as a main character in the Fandom wiki.
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OK. Like he was a main character.
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Sometimes they put like reoccurring and stuff like he
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was a main character and I was like OK, so does that mean he's
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coming back? That'd be interesting.
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Because I want him like he's. Great.
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He's great Comic Relief because you always.
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Need it because things are dark. And they separate the kids so
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much that Dustin is usually our Comic Relief, but sometimes he's
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off doing something else. Yeah, because they separated him
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from the kids, I noticed. Yeah, see a lot.
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I'm not sure if I like that. Because because his bestie is
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Steve, so he has to hang out with Steve.
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Exactly. And it was Eddie.
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But him not being a part of the group anymore like that, yeah,
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kind of hurts my feelings. Right.
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I mean, I'm glad they addressed it in season.
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Was it 4? Is that when he came back from
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camp season 3? Three when he came back from.
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Camp Yeah, it was *. Court Yeah, right.
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And so they addressed it. You know, it's like he was
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basically separated from them the entire season.
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Yeah, but then. In season 4 that he didn't see
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them No because. They were all in California.
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Exactly. He's sketchy, right?
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Don't. Separate my boy from his.
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Friends I know Dustin is the best character anyway.
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He really is. I just love him so much.
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And like I said, they're all such good actors.
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But I believe every word that Dustin is saying.
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Yeah, every. Single word.
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When he's panicking, he is panicking.
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You were going to. Feel it.
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And I cried so hard too. It was not just because Eddie
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died, but because of Dustin's reaction.
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Yeah, he was heartbroken. He really loves his older
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brother. Figures.
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Yeah, Eddie's in the Steves of the world.
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But if we're going to talk about another theory, like if Vecna is
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still getting to people through their trauma, I think that
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leaves Dustin wide open. No, because he's really sad over
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broken over Eddie leaving, especially the way he did.
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True, because he had this hero moment and he had held him when
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he died and called him a hero. I'm like, and then had to tell
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his uncle that yes, he was good. He was.
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And that the talent is wrong. Yeah.
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Hellfire being a cult is such a lie.
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It is. I'm still going to wear my
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Hellfire T-shirt though. Oh, for sure.
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But do you mind like maybe providing some insight on like
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the Satanic panic thing? Because you mentioned it a lot
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when we were re watching it and I just I need to know like what
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that was about. It felt just like Jason, the
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head of the basketball team, talking to the town hall.
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That's exactly like everything that you saw in the news.
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If somebody saw like, I think there was a whole thing about
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playing records backwards because you know, you can spin
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it backwards and that there's going to be like words, devilish
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words in there that are hidden from the normal person if you
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just do it backwards. And just anything that they saw
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that they didn't understand, they were like, that's of the
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devil. And it just kind of got coined A
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satanic panic. And so how he riled up the whole
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town had to go hunt him. That's basically what it was
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like. That's crazy.
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That's crazy, hey? But I mean, OK, so looking on
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the outside us not knowing what the Upside Down is and Deborah
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Gorgons and Vecna and everything, looking on the
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outside, it seems crazy. I, to an extent, understood
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exactly where Jason was coming from because his girlfriend
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died, right? You're telling me that this
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girl, who I know is super sweet and has never touched a drug or
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an alcohol, went to Eddie's trailer to get drugs?
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OK, lie, right? If you're lying to me.
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And then she's broken in a way that a human couldn't.
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So what? Where are her eyes?
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And she's broken. Her body's broken like that.
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So it made sense to me that the last place that they saw him
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would yes, that's the suspect, right?
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And then it happened again, right before his eyes.
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And the only other person there was Eddie.
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He was like Eddie. Did that Eddie?
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Come on. Like I didn't see him touch her
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so that confirms that he used the the power of the.
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Devil. The Devil.
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Yes. So I completely understood Jason
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and he his crash out was valid. Was completely valid, but then
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again, no one felt sad when he died.
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Yeah, because he's got split in half when when the the thing
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happened Gate. Opened.
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Oh well, Oh well. If you blinked, you would have
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missed it. Yeah, yeah.
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His death was for two seconds Max.
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Oh my God. Well, because that's the thing.
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Like we always link ourselves to whoever our main characters are.
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Lucky for us, our main characters are heroes.
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They're trying to save the world over and over and over again.
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But yeah, I was not sad. Not at all.
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Because he was going against our main characters.
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Exactly valid cell and probably. He broke Max's music about.
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To say that I was about to say that he broke it so they even if
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they wanted to bring Max back out of it, they.
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Couldn't. They couldn't.
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So whatever happened to Max is his fault.
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Yeah, I blame Jason. Period.
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It's his fault. I mean, if they would have
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gotten to her a few seconds earlier, my legs wouldn't be
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broken. She ours would be broken.
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Her eyes would be fine. They would have pulled her out
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like they normally do. Yeah.
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And to go back to the first time that they pulled her out, that
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was such a cool scene. That was such a cool way to end
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the episode, Kate. Bush and she's running and
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everything is falling and collapsing around girls like
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this is fire. But we don't know if she got
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out. We don't until the next episode.
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Yeah, thank God that they dropped these all in one day,
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because do you know how mad I would it be if I had to wait a
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week? Eat it, eat it, but you know
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it's going to end on a cliffhanger.
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Because we only get 4 episodes, yeah.
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And my theory is that it's going to end when Vecna takes control
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over Will end of Part 1, and then we have to wait until Part
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2. That's my theory.
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OK, OK, Because I'm like. Because he wants Will.
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He does. But I don't know what he wants
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now because he already got his first goal right.
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If this was round one, which was to to break open and basically
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be able to take over. What's going on?
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And we see that. We see the particles floating
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through the air on the last episode and the clouds, the dark
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clouds with the lightning and the red and everything.
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So it's like, OK, is he gonna turn our world completely into
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the upside? Down I believe that is the the
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goal because he thought that our world was tainted, right?
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And that our behaviors as humans living, dying, going to work,
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eat, sleep, repeat, reproduce, die, whatever, right?
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That was flawed. And then he went to this other
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world that he was able to build in his perfect image and he
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thought that was great. So now he wants to take the
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upside down. And apply it to our world.
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Right. Which is wrong, but obviously
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that didn't happen completely because it's only in Hawkins and
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the military shows up to help out.
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So I'm sure they helped out with like da da da da.
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But I still think they're going to be a problem because they
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don't believe and like. They don't, and also they blame
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Elle. They think Elle is.
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Responsible. It's the problem.
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So they have to hide her again. Poor Elle, she's always getting
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hidden away, I know. That poor girl, I.
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Know. She got to regrow her hair too.
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It's. Like a be audacity, OK, you
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knocked me out and shaved my head again and then put me in a
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room that looks like the place that is traumatic to me with the
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same. Picture and the same picture.
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Oh my God. You know what Elle didn't do
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enough to those people. Period.
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Yeah, no. Because the way she super cool
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with the helicopter and how she actually that was very cool.
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Yeah, y'all, I know, y'all spent hours trying to get that shot
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right and you got it right. So congratulations.
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I love, I love how they do a whole bunch of practical effects
21:13
as much as you can, because this show is very is very.
21:16
You know, but at least they put Jamie in the Vecna suit
21:21
completely and then they just added the practical effects for
21:26
the vines moving around. But it's like completely makeup.
21:29
Yes, I love seeing somebody walk around.
21:31
I mean, wasn't the Demogorgon a person too?
21:34
Yes, yes, I love that suits. And then they just made them
21:37
look a little enhanced. It just feels scarier to me.
21:41
And also the actors acting off of that.
21:44
They get to watch an actual person running around.
21:47
Exactly. And you can really like get in
21:48
it, you know. So that brings me to the first 5
21:51
minutes that were released. How do you feel about about
21:54
that? Well, I love.
21:57
So there's another term in screen writing.
21:59
It's called dancing between the raindrops.
22:01
And I feel like the 5 minutes did that.
22:04
So we know in general what happened, but there's bits of
22:07
pieces that we don't know. So that filled them in for us.
22:11
And we're like, oh, OK, Vecna's been here since Will was in the
22:14
Upside Down and this happened and this happened.
22:17
And so I loved it. OK.
22:20
I hope that Season 5 really fills in whatever links we had
22:25
in the whole series because it's not for lack of storytelling.
22:30
It was for lack of time, you know, and it's like we're not
22:32
going to tell a 30 hour, you know, episode to get every
22:35
little it might. As well in this upcoming season
22:37
because three hours, sorry. Finale.
22:40
Sorry. In the movie theater fire, we
22:43
have to go. See to go see that.
22:45
Yeah, we'll come back and we'll talk about it.
22:47
You know it. But yeah, I do have a bunch of
22:49
questions too, because obviously in season, in the end of Season
22:54
1 leading into Season 2, we know that Hopper made a deal with the
22:58
lab basically saying like, I'll tell you where 11 is if you let
23:03
us go into the Upside. Down, yeah.
23:05
But then they go and they pick him up again and I believe that
23:09
that was the deal. Basically saying like keep 11
23:12
hidden or if they knew she was alive.
23:16
Is is the lab the reason why Hopper was putting out the egg
23:19
rolls for her to eat or you know.
23:21
And that's an interesting theory because he got picked.
23:23
Up at the end, he did. What did they say?
23:25
Yeah. What happened, you know?
23:27
Oh, I'd love to see that. Give me that like.
23:30
There's missing pieces here and there, so and like how?
23:32
Will Elle feel if she finds out that he gave her up?
23:36
And you know he didn't tell her because he lied about her mom.
23:39
He had that box the whole time, the whole.
23:41
Time. Yeah, Hopper still has some
23:44
issues. He is also traumatized again.
23:48
I mean, he served in a war and he lost his daughter and his
23:51
marriage. So he's been through some
23:53
trauma. He's also a candidate for Vecna,
23:55
too, now that I think about it. OK, so.
23:57
Everyone is a candidate. Every single one.
24:00
You know Will, of course, who we got who we got, Lucas.
24:06
Well, especially with what's happening to Max exactly.
24:07
You won't leave her side. Max herself, is she?
24:10
Still in there which I don't know if she is in there cuz 1111
24:14
tried to go into her mind in the void and she didn't hear her or
24:17
see her. Right, but she was able to save
24:18
her life. She was cuz she did die.
24:20
That's why the ground split. Yeah, but then she was able to
24:24
be brought back. Yeah.
24:25
So I don't know, but yeah, those are three candidates.
24:29
Yeah, Hopper, Murray's fine Murray.
24:33
Will always be fine. He's like a cockroach.
24:38
He ain't going nowhere. Not going anywhere.
24:41
He's a survivor, yes. But who else?
24:44
I don't know. Steve might be fine.
24:46
Dustin is a problem. Jonathan's fine.
24:50
Yeah, yeah. So I think there's a nice
24:53
handful of people who are candidates to be able to give
24:56
Vecna because I don't know, like I said, I don't know what his
24:58
second wave is and if he's still trying to take over people or
25:01
now if it's just something he does to stop people, you know,
25:05
got you. But after this traumatic
25:08
experience with Hopper, I'm hoping he kind of softens up a
25:11
little, hopefully. Yeah, because it looked like he
25:13
did when he saw 11 again at the end of four.
25:16
That was a really sweet moment when they touched each other's
25:19
bald heads and she said you look, he said that.
25:21
Fat, not fat. So I stole your look, kid.
25:24
I'm like. Because tell me why.
25:27
Let me do quick math real quick. Tell me why 16 year old me was
25:33
crying when he said please and for the life of me leave the
25:37
door open 3 inches. I was like.
25:40
That's adorable. I was crying.
25:44
You know what it is? It's this relationship between a
25:46
father and a daughter. Like, I don't like how society
25:51
makes it seem like dads in general are so not present and
25:57
don't know their kids as much as the moms do.
25:59
Because, yes, those are those men that are out there, but
26:02
there's so many good dads. And we don't get to see that
26:06
representation on TV as much as I would like to.
26:09
So when you see it, like Hopper's not perfect, but one
26:11
thing about him, he loves Elle. Loves loves her dad, right?
26:15
And so just to be able to see that relationship is.
26:18
Is important. Yeah, it is.
26:19
Yeah. So of course we're there for it.
26:21
Like, come on. Easy.
26:23
We love a girl, Dad. Right, we really do love a girl
26:26
dad. You have a girl, dad.
26:27
It's pretty great. I know it's great, right?
26:31
But yeah, I also did want to talk about Holly.
26:35
So, Holly. 'S Holly the little girl, Mike
26:37
the Wheeler? She's coming back so grown.
26:41
Yeah, she was this big when the show first started.
26:44
Oh my goodness, I feel old. But she's back.
26:48
She's a main character. She's on the poster.
26:51
I didn't even. Realize that she's on the poster
26:53
with Mike's mom misses Wheeler, Karen.
26:57
So they're 2 main characters in the trailer.
26:59
They're crunching down. They're like hiding and
27:02
something's going on in the house, and then they're also in
27:05
this tub and they're trying to hold their breath.
27:09
And there was a scene in the trailer where we see this figure
27:14
kind of like falling into the Upside Down, like Vacna did when
27:18
L Banished. And people think that's Holly.
27:22
Holly into the upside down. What do we do?
27:26
How do we? How did that happen?
27:27
How do we get here? Well, I feel like after the
27:30
world opens up, there's this huge crack, and I think the
27:34
earthquake lie is only going to last so long.
27:36
So long you kind of have to start letting people in on this.
27:39
Yeah. I mean, I think Misses Wheeler
27:41
is down for sure. I mean, she was going to get
27:44
down with Billy. So we know that she, you know.
27:49
Oops, she was gonna get down. She was.
27:52
The only reason she did is because she saw her husband
27:54
sitting there sleeping with her, with Holly.
27:55
Exactly. So she was like, I have a
27:57
family. I'm not gonna go.
27:58
I'm like what? You gonna do what you wanted to.
28:00
He really did. He probably would have showed up
28:02
if he didn't get flayed. Get flayed.
28:05
Yeah. So wait, did he go down to goo
28:08
and then get reconstituted? I know we didn't see.
28:11
That no, I, I think it was the mind Flare possessed him and
28:16
possessed Heather the the lifeguard, and then they
28:20
possessed other people and that possession made them go get.
28:24
Flayed. Got it.
28:25
I think they were like, I don't know, like the.
28:28
Soldiers. The Lieutenant, yeah.
28:30
They're going and getting people to go get flayed.
28:33
Right. And like half the town
28:34
disappeared and we didn't. That's one thing.
28:36
Yeah. We don't know what happened to
28:37
those people. They just kind of they're.
28:39
Just fine appeared, I mean, and they're just.
28:42
It's not like all these weird things keep happening in Hawkins
28:45
and it's like, yeah, every season a group of people just
28:48
disappear. And we're not concerned about
28:51
it. I mean, they were pretty
28:52
concerned. They called it like the devils
28:54
and Hawkins. They knew something was wrong,
28:56
like something was happening every so time.
28:59
Satan must have been Satan. Oh well, you know, that explains
29:07
it even better. He's pretty scary.
29:11
He is really scary because he can go into the thoughts that
29:16
you have that you don't share with anybody, you know, because
29:18
like, Max was praying and wishing that Billy would crash
29:22
his car and die and die. And then when he actually died,
29:26
she felt immediate shame and regret and guilt.
29:30
And so he's able to and, and Fred, Frank, Fred.
29:33
Fred, Fred about the car. Crash the car crash cuz he had
29:36
that scar on his face. Yeah, he was able to really
29:39
pinpoint all your insecurities. Chrissy with, Chrissy with.
29:42
Her mom and her issues it was. So what do we think Chrissy's
29:46
issues were? Do you think her mom was so cuz
29:49
she was so critical about her weight that she was like binging
29:52
and purging And yeah, I think. That's why she was throwing up
29:54
in the bathroom when Max saw her.
29:56
She was purging for sure. And then her mom was like in the
30:00
the memory voice over thingy, it's like, I will loosen up the
30:04
dress or the skirt for you, right?
30:07
I think that was her issues and she was like vulnerable.
30:10
Yeah, emotionally vulnerable for sure.
30:13
And then her boyfriend was Jason, who wasn't very.
30:16
He was weird cuz then he talks about how much he loved her and
30:18
everything in the pep run. Yeah.
30:20
And he was like Chrissy. I got you.
30:23
Calm down. I got you.
30:24
Not the time, my girl. More place, OK.
30:27
Anyway. It's a weirdo.
30:31
Such a weirdo. But yeah, I think, yeah, he's
30:35
able to really infiltrate your mind, just like the reference
30:38
Nightmare on Elm Street. Really cool.
30:41
Yes, well, first of all. We've got, I mean.
30:45
Creole so cool. He is pretty.
30:48
They were fangirling and fanboying when they got him to
30:51
sign on to the project cuz. It had to be a because it was a
30:55
meaty role. I mean, the whole monologue when
30:57
he's in the prison and it's eyes and just doing the whole
31:00
flashback. I mean, if we want to talk about
31:03
all of the people who they brought in, I mean they've got
31:06
The Princess Bride, as you wish. She's the mayor.
31:10
I mean just Joyce by herself. Yeah, I know.
31:12
She was like a sign on. Absolutely.
31:15
Just they were able to pull in all our icons from the 80s and
31:18
that's just it. Just y'all love this show
31:20
because it's current. It's got kids that are your age.
31:23
It's super cool. But then you were able to drag
31:25
us in because I remember I didn't want to watch at first.
31:29
You and your sister watched the first season and you kept
31:31
talking about it. I was like, fine, let me sit
31:33
down. And it felt so nostalgic.
31:35
It felt so real. They got every like the clothes
31:38
were right. The fact that it wasn't so clean
31:40
all the time and people had scuffed shoes and you know, our
31:43
bikes and our parents not paying attention to us and you know,
31:46
all these. I was like, it was just it.
31:48
Was great, but it was created and written by these two
31:53
brothers that lived in that time, so it makes sense.
31:56
Absolutely like a love letter and they know exactly what
31:59
they're talking about it. Was a love letter it.
32:01
Was and they really had all these these references and these
32:04
nods like the big Russian guy was totally Terminator easily
32:09
you know like they had all of these moments that it was like,
32:12
oh, that's so fun I see where you got that from.
32:14
You know it's. Like I understand the reference,
32:16
yeah. And although the women that they
32:18
discussed who were like the standard of beauty and you know,
32:21
the the magazines that the girls that Elle and Max were looking
32:25
at in the yeah and just spinning the.
32:28
Bottle like yes. It felt very good and so I know
32:31
that room was full of people who either lived in the 80s or.
32:34
Loved things, loved the 80s, you can tell.
32:37
Absolutely like it. It did.
32:40
See you. The best thing is when you can
32:44
witness a show that clearly has a bunch of love side to it and
32:48
it's not just done for the money.
32:50
Oh, man. And this show has so much love
32:53
and so much care. And so I'm like, of course,
32:55
yeah, I will sit down for two hours every single episode and
32:59
three hours for the finale next season to watch what you guys do
33:02
with this story and with these kids because I'm invested.
33:06
I have to know if, you know, something happened.
33:10
They're like, we can't do this straight.
33:11
I'm going to the Netflix building that's down the street.
33:14
I'm knocking on the door. I'm like, bro, give me, just
33:16
give it to me. Just.
33:18
I need it cuz you guys filmed it and edit.
33:20
I need it, I know it exists. Give it to me real.
33:26
Real yeah, I'm just I'm very excited cuz again, this has been
33:31
half of my life watching the show so I'm completely invested.
33:36
I know it was crazy and jarring for the actors to finally be
33:40
done with the shower because it was half of their lives too.
33:45
What do you imagine playing these characters for half of
33:47
your life and then now what? Do I what do I do?
33:51
You know, cuz you know. You can always come back cuz
33:52
they all run off and did things but then to come back and be
33:56
like this is home but now. It's gone.
33:59
It's gone. I know, right?
34:03
That must have been so jarring in the premiere that we saw.
34:06
That was the last premiere. In LA so.
34:08
Good, good and grown. And I was like, Oh my.
34:11
God it felt weird for me. I feel like all of y'all are my
34:14
kids. I've watched all of you grow up.
34:18
I have that problem when I when I see a child actor and you see
34:22
them grow up and then boom, now they're 25 and you're like,
34:25
whoa, whoa, whoa. I need you to calm down.
34:28
Take it. Cover up your mid drift.
34:30
OK? Take off a little bit of that
34:31
makeup young lady. Like what?
34:33
I'm not your mom, but I feel like it.
34:36
Imagine how it feels for Winona. Oh my goodness, I know.
34:40
You know, yes. Like, those are her kids, and
34:44
she was a child star. Yeah.
34:46
And to be able to, I don't know, impart wisdom?
34:49
On that, you know that those kids were okay on set because at
34:52
least they had a couple of child actors on set to look out for
34:56
them. Absolutely.
34:57
I hope everything was okay. I hope so.
34:59
I. Don't want to see a documentary
35:01
five years from now. I hate.
35:03
Hearing about children who are mistreated, period, but
35:05
especially on movie sets and, you know, podcasts and YouTube
35:09
channels and all that stuff. And it's like, protect the
35:11
babies, OK? The art is not worth that.
35:14
No, the people. Are exactly.
35:17
So they can grow up healthy and make more.
35:19
Good art exactly. And not turn around and
35:21
traumatize other people. I'm saying, you know.
35:25
I know we're going to cry. I just know that I already said
35:27
it. But I just somebody, multiple
35:30
people are going to die because it's fair game.
35:33
Yeah. I love when creators are able to
35:35
end something the way that they want it to.
35:38
But yeah, I just know I'm going to have my tissues and I'm ready
35:42
and we'll come on here. I might have tear like streaming
35:45
while we talk about it. I'm telling you voice robbery.
35:50
Oh my God. But we will definitely be back
35:52
after the 1st 4 episodes drop because we don't need to talk to
35:55
y'all about it. OK, because I know a lot is
35:58
going to happen. I just get into it.
36:01
And they, they know what they're doing.
36:02
Releasing on holidays, they're like, nobody's doing anything.
36:05
It's like you're. Right, I'm no longer doing.
36:07
Anything right, right, I had. Plans but but.
36:11
I will be sad. Period.
36:13
It really is great to be a part of this community cuz it's a fun
36:18
group. We always talk about being the
36:20
weirdos and in the fringes. Like who's more in the fringes
36:22
than these little nerdy D&D kids?
36:24
Exactly. And I just love that we've been
36:27
on this journey together. Cuz.
36:28
Same. Yeah.
36:29
So yeah, we all get to finish together.
36:31
I know. Cool.
36:32
So yeah, we're super excited. I know y'all are super excited.
36:35
We'll be back I promise, for Part 1 of season 5 and we're
36:40
going to talk about it. But let us know your favorite
36:42
seasons in the comment, your favorite characters, your
36:44
favorite songs, your favorite monsters.
36:46
Like we want to hear it all cuz. And your theories?
36:49
Please. Yeah, let us know.
36:51
I want to know what? You know all of it.
36:53
Yeah, yeah, it. Should be good, yeah.
36:56
Thank you all for tuning in. We love y'all weirdos.