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Cyclone talk with Bill Seals, Wade Lookingbill on the Hawkeyes & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Our number 2, Miller and Condon welcome back just past 1:00 on a
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Monday. Trent Condon, Ken Miller here
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until just before 2:00. At that time off the bench that
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comes up. Lucas Strange, Sean Roberts 2
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until 5. Overtime Iowa, 5 to 6.
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Wait looking Bill. Bottom of the hour.
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Bill Seals momentarily. Tomorrow we're going to talk to
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Matt Snyder, CBSSports.com on baseball.
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Did you see CB Buckner get embarrassed behind home plate in
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Cincinnati? I did not.
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Oh. It's priceless.
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He tried to ring ingenio Suarez or something like that.
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Suarez is right up twice in a row and Suarez thatches his
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helmet, wants a wants a look, was overturned, was a ball steps
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back in the batter's box, tried to ring him up again.
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Suarez says not so fast, goes right back to his helmet.
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Buckner is going to be embarrassed game after game
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after game. And I am here for it.
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Like I think most baseball fans are 'cause this guy's the worst.
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Hernandez got out at the right time.
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Yes, absolutely. He got out at the right time.
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Let's get Bill Seals in here. Talk some Iowa State with Bill
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Football, basketball is over. Women still in the news and Bill
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Seals joins us. Bill Trenton Kent, thanks for
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coming on. How are you?
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I'm doing great guys, just enjoying being back home after I
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think it was 12 days and nights in a hotel this month so getting
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reacquainted with home again. No, I get it.
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I wish you would had to stay in extra night.
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I don't think you would have been packing for Indianapolis
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because Michigan's a different animal.
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But we'll we'll never know. So let's go back to the game
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Friday night, Bill. I was, I was absolutely
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convinced Iowa State was going to beat Tennessee and then take
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their chances against Michigan. What what happened, Bill?
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Obviously the rebounding, offensive rebounding.
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They just killed Iowa State on the glass.
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There were some big dudes out there.
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Obviously not having Jefferson was a blow.
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I don't think it would have made a difference as far as whether
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the team would have played again or not.
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He certainly would have made a difference.
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He's a good player. But could you pinpoint where it
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went wrong for Iowa State on Friday night?
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Well, I think it all starts on the, on, on the offensive glass,
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just the the rebounding in general.
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And we knew that was going to be an issue coming in for a team
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without Joshua Jefferson. Likely it ends up being, you
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know, pretty sizable difference in that game.
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I think 4222 was the was the tally in 17 offensive rebounds
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for Tennessee. And there were just so many
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times there were Iowa State did what it needed to do, felt like
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in the half court to get a stop to maybe get out in transition,
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get some buckets that way. And it was just a second or
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third chance opportunity. You know, it wasn't even like
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they were they were swinging it back out for a three.
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It was just like a tip in just a clear path to the basket and a
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tip in a number of those Aquara carry.
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I mean, they just state them up on the boards.
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But yeah, it was it was a huge loss obviously with Jefferson.
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And I think it as you saw it play out certainly in limited
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Iowa State ceiling because I think with Jefferson, they they
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probably get by Tennessee in that game.
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And then, you know, you take your chances with Michigan.
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We saw what all ended up happening there.
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But I tell you what Iowa State would have loved to have take it
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taken its chances at 100% in that game.
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Absolutely. And you know, there's a lot of
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equating back going back a dozen years ago to 2014 and playing
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that Sweet 16 game. The loss to UConn, they went on
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to win the national championship that year was.
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That the Dustin Hoagg toothpick game.
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Was that the year? Might have been, but yeah, the
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end wasn't there and. It was in New York, I think.
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It was yeah. And MSG people, cyclo fans
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believe that they would have won a national championship.
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Thing wasn't healthy. Did the what happened though to
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Tennessee against Michigan did that may be negated or maybe as
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we get more a little bit more far removed, cyclo fans will be
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working themselves up with a lather again.
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Just Michigan was such a behemoth there and obviously
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it's different with Jefferson. Does it feel different I guess
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than 2014 though to you? Well, yeah, I, I think probably
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I, I think pretty, pretty similar.
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You know, it's just it's tough and and we all saw what Nyang
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meant meant to that team. And I mean, they'll Iowa State
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fans, I think they'll be lamenting this whole thing for
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for a while, even even with with with Michigan and and what I
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mean the machine that they are and, and how they just
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steamrolled Tennessee. I still think Iowa State with a
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with a healthy Jefferson, they they keep that a little bit
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closer game and you know, that would have been a one versus A2.
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So. And I think, yeah, I mean, Iowa
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State fans over the years, injuries and in situations like
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this, a lot of it seems like a lot of what ifs for for this
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team. And it was Iowa State's best
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team too. I mean, it's not like they're
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going into next season where they just lost a guy and they
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come go out in the Sweet 16 and you've got a Lipsy and Jefferson
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coming back, Milan coming back. I mean it kind of feels like
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this was T JS best team. You know, I'm not discounting
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what their chances are for next season.
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I think that'll that'll begin to play itself out whether Milan
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comes back or not. But you know, this was T JS best
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team. It kind of felt like for the
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last few years they were building up to a run like this.
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And then to have it, you know, yeah, an injury to Jefferson
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happened, what, 2 1/2 minutes into the Tennessee State game.
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I mean, it kind of feels like the Cyclones were were cheated
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out of out of out of something big here.
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Yeah, Keyshawn Gilbert injured last year as well.
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So it seems to get him at the at the wrong time.
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So where are you on Montchilovich, do you think?
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And and obviously he's, you know, he's going to kick the
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tires. He's going to see what's there.
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Not that mock drafts or the be all end alls.
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I have no idea who's doing them, whether they have any
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credibility or not, but boy, you don't see a lot of Manchilovich
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on very on on. You know, it's not like 75% of
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mock drafts have Manchilovich going late 1st, early 2nd.
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A lot of them don't have him in, but I don't think he's an NBA
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player. He's got a great shot and and
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yeah, they maybe he'll have more time to get it off, but you got
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to, there's other things you got to do.
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I'd be surprised if he if he keeps his name in.
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Where are you? Yeah, I think I I would, I would
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probably side with what you're you're saying there, Kenny.
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I think that I think it just depends on what meet Milan
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wants. I mean, he's he's had a great
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three-year run at Iowa State. They're they're losing some big
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players around him. There's some question marks that
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next year's teams going to be pretty young, really make
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between the freshman and sophomore classes.
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So is it time for him to make that next step and, and, and go
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ahead and, and go and get picked in the second round?
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I mean, you, you could probably say that he would be, I would
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think he would be a guy as a potential like a two way type of
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player, sign that two way contract to get into the right
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situation and, and let the chips fall where they may.
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Or does he maybe have some unfinished business and in the
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in the college level? You know, he one thing he
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brought up to me when I talked to him in the locker room after
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the game on Friday, as he felt like these three tournament runs
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that Iowa states had their last games have been stinkers.
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That the stinker is the word that he used.
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He's, he's felt like he hasn't really gone out like he's wanted
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to these three years. So maybe a sense of unfinished
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business. He did tell me, however, that in
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addition to that, he he would at some point enter his name into
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the draft and test the waters. I followed that up with the are
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you planning on, you know, if you if you don't stay in the
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draft, is it going to be back to Iowa State and not in the
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portal? And he told me yes.
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So I think that is good news for the cyclones that he I mean, he
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could command a pretty good chunk of change to to to
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transfer to go somewhere in the portal.
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But I think he likes well, he loves that what T JS done and
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got into that a little bit post game.
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So I, I think, you know, maybe some unfinished business would
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bring him back to Ames and I don't think it will be elsewhere
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in college if he does decide to come back.
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Bill, you wrote about after the game taming Lipsey and his
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legacy at Iowa State glowing things no surprise from Otsel
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Burger and and there's always plenty of that.
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We hear nothing but great things about him.
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We know what a basketball player he is, but you also got to know
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him obviously away from it and though on camera doing
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interviews and the like and hear nothing but great things.
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That guy, just an absolute, absolute winner there.
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We'll see what his future looks like basketball wise, but take
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us through and not just four years going back to his high
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school level. And I know you got to know him
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at that time as well, Bill. And just being able to cover
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Tamen Lipsy. Yeah, I mean, you, you, you go
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all the way back to his junior high days and and then do
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freshman year about this kid from Ames and everybody talking
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about obviously what Ames high schools produced over the years.
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And he was the latest phenom and ended up suffering that
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devastating injury. And he was like a five star USA
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Basketball guy. I think in fact, he his injury,
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he sustained I I think it might have even been in that Team USA
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setting that summer of his freshman year, if my memory
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serves me correctly. I think that's what 7-8 years
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ago now, it's been been ancient history.
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But you know, he rehabbed that. He didn't get the exposure.
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I think that he was wanting coming out with that freshman,
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sophomore year, he just kind of gradually starts, you know, he
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got got himself back into back to 100% and I think it was the
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perfect kind of the perfect fit. You know, Iowa State with TJ
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coming in needed someone like a Lipsy early on And and you know,
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Taman, Iowa State went all in on him.
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There were probably weren't well, there were not as many
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schools all in on him as they probably would have been 8th
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grade, 9th grade year when he was like a top what 5 star top
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1015 player, probably whoever did the rankings of the 8th
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graders or whatever that you know, and that that time period.
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But he was a five star future five star blue chip guy and it
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just all worked out. He ended up in Iowa State, a
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perfect fit. And you know, now I think what
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is it after 10 years, I think he's going to have his name in
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the rafters. He's a four year player, Iowa
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State graduate and go on to a big things, not not just, you
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know, in the basketball career, whatever he ends up doing there,
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but in in life, I mean, he's a guy that's going to be a great
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ambassador for Iowa State moving forward.
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I couldn't imagine a worse way to make a living than ranking
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eighth graders. By the way, What a terrible job,
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An eighth grader. Unbelievable.
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There were services, probably. No.
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I'm sure there were years ago. Yeah, absolutely.
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And the parents of those eighth graders eating it up and
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bitching the whole time. So what, does he have coaching
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in his future? Do you think?
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Bill, does Lipsy come off as a guy who wants to, you know, stay
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involved? And if it's not playing it, do
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you know if he's interested in becoming a head coach?
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You know, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Kenny, I I think he he certainly has that.
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I think he has that vibe about him.
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You know, we'll we'll see what the future full holds for him.
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I think that he he's going to try and stick it out, play, play
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basketball, keep that career going as long as he can.
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You know, one thing he did talk talk to us about on the post
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game on Friday is just how it's not going to be the same for
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him. You know, going into a
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professional setting versus the college setting, How in in
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college you're around your guys, your teammates, your coaches.
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Seems like when you're not in class, you're around your guys.
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It's not going to be like that in the pros.
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He kind of lamented that a little bit, how it's kind of the
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end of end of this phase of basketball and you get into a
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professional setting and it's going to be entirely different.
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So it does make you wonder how how the pro career plays out.
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You know, if he ends up out of the game in four or five years,
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who knows, maybe he does come back as like a grad transfer and
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Iowa State, I know TJ, he's probably planning on being at
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Iowa State in four or five years that he would love to have team
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and come back as like a grad transfer, a great grad transfer,
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like a a grad assistant kind of guy.
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Maybe if he's going to go after a Masters at that point.
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One question, we got to see a little bit of Nelson at the end
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of the year after the injury. What have you heard about Mason
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Williams during this red shirt year?
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Maybe the reason that Nelson ended up on the roster is how
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that kind of all came together with the injury that he had
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coming in as a transfer last season.
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Is Williams a guy that is anticipated to be a big part of
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next year's team? I think so.
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I think so Trent, you look at the the backcourt, the numbers
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there. I think at probably the best
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case scenario for him as he obviously he cracks the starting
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lineup and, and, and plays a role in that lineup from day
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one. I think even worst case scenario
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for him, he ends up like a Nate Heisey type of guy as a as a
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he's got that similar frame as Heisey too at 65, I believe
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19195. He's got a a similar frame as
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Heisey probably comes in maybe in that six man role would be
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the worst case scenario even, But I think he's a he's a
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rotational guy If he comes back next year.
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Had a great season at at Eastern Washington before transferring
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almost 14 points a game. I think and that you know all
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indications where he was playing hurt that sophomore season too
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and going through a lot of stuff injury wise, still almost
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averages 14 points a game. I think he because he's back
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healthy now, he was practicing scout team guy down the stretch.
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So it get you just look at with with Bateman coming back, with
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Tori coming back, they've got they've got some some talented
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freshman coming. And I think Yusuf Gray with that
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injury, I'm not sure what they could expect from him next
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season. But Wiggins you got you got to
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look at him as a guy who could be a rotational type player
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coming into that back court. So, but yeah, with Williams,
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he'll be a guy with two seasons of eligibility and I think he's
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a a rotational player for Iowa State if he comes.
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Back yeah, you mentioned and reminds you Nate Heisey what
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what a way for Heisey to go on. Obviously didn't go out getting
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to the play Michigan for a chance to get to the Final Four,
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but man, oh man, he averaged what, about 18 points, I think
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in the three games in the tournament.
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What an NCAA Tournament for Nate Heisey.
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His final collegiate eligibility.
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Yeah, you look at all those guys, the urgency and and there
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there was none that had more urgency than Nate Heisey in that
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three-game stretch. And and I think it just
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intensified even more when Jefferson goes out and Iowa
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State has to play small and it against Tennessee.
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Gosh, I mean, he was aggressive. I mean, as as aggressive as
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you've seen him during his his run with the Cyclone.
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So it makes you wonder how much uglier that game against the
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Volunteers get if they don't have Heisey show up with the
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type of game that he had. And that just was an anchor for
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Iowa State in the postseason. Bill, you ready for spring
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football? Let's do it.
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I'm, I'm coming, I'm coming around.
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We get we'll get coordinators on Wednesday.
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We'll get a couple of players. So yeah, I'm going to I'm have a
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couple days here putting together some maybe a little
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bit. Well, I'm putting together a
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post mortem on basketball. Looking ahead, some recruiting,
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football recruiting and yeah, we'll have that availability on
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Wednesday and, and get coordinators and, and kind of
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feel like officially shifting gears into football mode in a
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couple days. You know, Bill, it's crazy
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because most years it's not that you're on cruise control, but
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you know, the roster, you know the team, you know, all right,
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maybe they're they're struggling at outside linebacker.
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There's question marks there. I mean the whole thing.
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I mean your your list of questions has got to be a mile
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long. Yeah, yeah, more, more time than
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we're going to get. We're going to get 15 minutes
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with Bobbitt. We're going to get 15 minutes
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with Roll. So, yeah, I mean, what we'll get
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Carson Willick, that'll be an interesting story.
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He's one of those guys that did come back.
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We don't need a we don't need a name tag or a lanyard on on
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Willick to know who he is. So Cameron Pettaway, he'll be
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another one we'll get on Wednesday.
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But yeah, I mean, it's it's an entirely different feel.
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I've been doing this doing this a long time since the 1999
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season. And it's unlike any other
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offseason that I've that I've ever experienced.
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So it just seems like you're just just take it week by week
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here this offseason and navigating some different,
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different waters than than we have before.
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No doubt one on women soups will let you go.
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Obviously, there's still a chapter or two perhaps to be
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written when it comes to Iowa State women.
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Kenzie Hair. The latest there's I think 3 of
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the roster still remain, including Audie Crooks.
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And we still have not heard from as of yet.
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Pollard and Fenley both not publicly commenting as of yet.
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I know Birchie's been not hounding them, but certainly,
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you know, making querying them if they would like to talk.
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Both have declined to this point.
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Where are we going here, Bill? I mean, something, something has
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to happen. The transfer portal officially
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opens Wednesday. Trent tells me something's got
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to happen in the next 24 hours, does it not?
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Well, you've got to think that they, they, yeah, I mean, got to
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come out with something here at, at, at at some point.
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With only three scholarship players returning.
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I, I don't think it's any mystery that Coach Finley, the
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legendary leader of the program, probably going to retire after
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next season if something unforeseen doesn't happen.
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I mean, I, I would think that if he was going to retire, Kenny,
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if the announcement probably would have already come.
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I, I would imagine it would have come before all of these
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departures and then the radio silence from the administration,
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from the staff. So I, I think all indications
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are he's planning on coming back.
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You know, Iowa State probably not in position, you know, with
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the Rev share era and, and paying the players and all that,
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Cyclone's probably not in position to buy Coach Finley out
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and and move on from him for a price tag of what I think it's
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about $700,000. With one year left, that's what
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his price tag is. Yeah, yeah.
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And then you and then you look at whoever you hire what what's
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the buy out there. So you may be looking at double
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that and and that's before you, you know, you go in and and hire
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a brand new staff. And yeah, I just think all
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indications are Kenny, it's going to be one more season to
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coach Finley. You know, Jimmy Rogers can do it
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with a bunch of one year mercenaries that a lot of this
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rosters made-up of. Why can't the women go out and
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and bring in what, 789 scholarship players for one
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year? You know, maybe they can get
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some that that grew up. Maybe Cyclone fans are in the
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state of Iowa. Maybe that would entertain
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staying through a coaching change.
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I think 11 positive is the Comito girl from from Carlisle.
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I think she grew up cyclone fan her entire life.
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She's going to be a big time player.
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I think you know, even with all the the roster questions right
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now, she's going to come in and be a day one starter for Iowa
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State. You look at the other 3 coming
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back. I think if Paul.
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She had some injuries down the stretch, she probably would be a
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starter. So they've got 4 starters if you
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look at it in those terms. And then you're filling it out
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with role players, one year type, mercenary type players to,
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you know, put this team together and, and, and see what happens.
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But I mean, you've got Audie Crooks that to build around.
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So probably not going to be awful really.
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And in the Big 12 terms, anyway. Well, if I if Audie stays,
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you're right. If not, then perhaps it's going
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to trend toward Steve Prom. Finally, I just Bill, you're in
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the recruiting world. I'm I'm certainly not, but I
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just those players that went to play for Rogers didn't know he
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was going to be 1 and done. Pollard's not right.
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Pollard's not extending Bill Finley.
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He's not going to extend Bill Finley.
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I don't know how you get kids. I don't know how you get kids.
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We'll see. I want to be.
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Surprised. You'd be surprised in the, in
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the transfer portal era, I'm, I'm not sure what the total
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amount of Iowa State's Rev share would be.
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I know an audience getting beyond like the NIL in addition
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to the Rev share amount with some of her endorsements.
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But I mean, you'd, you'd be surprised in, in this the
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current era of college basketball, with all the number
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of players in the portal right now, you'd be surprised them
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that would love to come play for Iowa State, even if it's for one
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season, get to play at the Big 12 level.
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And, and, you know, we'll, we'll see how it comes together.
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Well, when the music stops and there's a bunch of girls still
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standing looking for a home, maybe that's where you fill your
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eye. I don't know.
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I hope it works. I'll be surprised.
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Bill Seals, cyclonereport.com. Great stuff, Bill.
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Appreciate it as always. We'll read your stuff from
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Wednesday, the coordinator opportunity.
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We will speak with you next Monday.
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Bill Seals, cyclonereport.com. Thanks pal.
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Looking forward to it guys, have a good one.
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Yep, you do the same, Bill Seals as we check in on Iowa State.
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Yeah, they all got name tags of football, but it's a good thing
22:17
they got that masking tape on the helmet with their name on.
22:20
It Who's this guy, right? He's Oh my God, We'll see where
22:27
it goes. Manchilovich.
22:29
Is he an NBA player to you? Yeah, he's elite at one thing
22:33
and we've seen that a lot. You know that guys that are
22:35
elite and he absolutely is a absolutely is a shooter that you
22:39
can find a home. AJ Green found one.
22:42
Yes, Kyle Korver found one. Korver found one.
22:45
Reggie Evans found one. Not as a shooter, rebounder.
22:47
He was in the rebounder. Some of you, you look.
22:50
At at 6 foot 8. At 6 foot 8 and you look at
22:53
these stats and then whatever you get your stats from used to
22:55
be in the newspaper, folks. I'll tell you about those.
22:58
But there he is, right at the top of the list.
23:00
Yes, If you're not first, he's second, right?
23:02
Every single year, every single. Where is he now?
23:04
He's in Iowa. No, he's in Florida.
23:06
He was at the Florida Iowa game. Well, maybe that's what I'm.
23:09
Thinking of yeah. And he's got a couple of kids
23:11
that are good basketball players.
23:12
Yeah, I think they play a little bit different than old dad did,
23:15
but he was a guy. That's that's why I think
23:19
Manchilovich has got a shot You do because you're elite at that.
23:22
They'll find a way. And he definitely has.
23:25
I mean, he can. Oh, he has a big time way, yes.
23:27
He's got to get better off the bounce.
23:28
And there's a lot of things that you can prove on, but then it
23:31
becomes a full time job. They take that elite skill and
23:33
figure out the rest. Absolutely.
23:35
So you think he's done at Iowa State that?
23:37
He's no, not you. Think he comes back and then
23:39
maybe goes. Neither way.
23:40
I don't have a strong inkling one way or the other, But is he
23:43
an NBA player? Yes, because he can shoot the
23:46
crap out of the ball. We'll take a time out.
23:48
Wade looking. Bill joins us next Miller and
23:50
Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio Network just past 130.
23:57
Miller and Condon couple more segments to go including Trent's
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was in Houston watching Iowa and Illinois collide and Wade joins
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us to put a bow on the season. As always, Wade, thank you for
24:19
what you do for Trent and I during the season.
24:21
We're much appreciative to pick your brain and you're to you to
24:25
share your knowledge with our audience.
24:27
So just a phenomenal season for 32 minutes on Saturday.
24:32
I'm guessing you kind of had the same feeling I did as a boy.
24:34
Boy, there's a chance I was got another game coming up next
24:37
weekend. But then just the final few
24:40
minutes, it did not end well. But you know what a pretty fun
24:42
season. Terrific ride from Mccollum's
24:45
first year. It really was, you know, I think
24:48
that they just had ups and downs and they lost at Minnesota but
24:53
played Iowa State tough, lost at Penn State, beat Florida 36
24:58
elite 8316 win, obviously just couldn't really ask for much
25:02
more. Wonderful season.
25:04
Definitely was. Let's go back first against
25:07
Illinois and and what we saw Iowa comes out on fire just
25:11
absolutely out 12 to two lead and and yes I already thoughts
25:14
of Indianapolis starting to creep into minds.
25:16
I know across the arena and people texting and making phone
25:20
calls, but you saw the size, the size advantage that is there and
25:24
I think definitely shows us going forward, you need that rim
25:26
protector man Yao. I mean that guy battled as much
25:29
as he could definitely throughout the course of this
25:31
season, but he is not your traditional center.
25:34
And and another question I kind of had going hand in hand with
25:36
that, What does a traditional center look like in Ben
25:39
Mccollum's scheme if they do find one of those guys in the
25:42
portal? Yeah, You know, so just real
25:44
quick with Illinois, you know, Bennis Sturtz was abusing Tyler
25:48
Boswell. You know, it's just that that
25:50
that kid, he looks overweight. It was the strangest thing.
25:54
It looks like he's gained weight, but they take him out,
25:57
brings brings to Yakovich. Then you got Waddler at the
26:02
point at 6-6 pages, kids 6-7 and it goes up from there.
26:06
And they just it was, they were just so big, you know.
26:11
So to answer your question, the problem with finding of a rim
26:16
protector, there's there's two things there's they're so
26:19
limited. You know, I love Trevin Europe.
26:21
I think he's going to be a great college player.
26:23
He can do a lot of things, stretch defenses, pass the ball,
26:27
handle it toughness, but he but he's not a he's not a rim
26:30
protector. So, so so now you got to go find
26:33
one. The best ones are going to go to
26:36
Duke and UConn and Michigan and play one year and go to the NBA.
26:41
So so then there's a handful of others that are on the market,
26:45
so to speak. I was talking to some people in
26:47
down and I was down in the in Houston that that that know
26:50
things and it's 2 1/2 three million.
26:54
You get a kid like that and again, there's not that many of
26:58
them out there. So So what does he look like?
27:00
You know, you saw the Akhtara kid play a couple years at Ohio.
27:04
They transferred to Tennessee really pretty limited
27:08
offensively, but catches lobs and protects the rim and that's
27:12
what you need, whether it's in I major college level.
27:16
You see that in the NBA with with Rudy Gobert made a $300
27:21
million doing that, you know, because he's 72, athletic to
27:25
protect the rent and block shots and catch lobs.
27:27
But there's are there 25 kids like that in the country?
27:31
There's not many. It's tough.
27:32
It's going to be hard. Andrew McKeever is a name that I
27:35
think a lot of people are going to get excited about.
27:37
I'm not sure he'll ever see the set foot in the state of Iowa
27:40
unless he's playing a game here with the Saint Mary's ties and
27:43
Jefferson's ties. Maybe some connection there to
27:45
Iowa State, but he's 72, averages eight points, 9
27:49
rebounds as a sophomore. So that's $2.5 million right
27:52
there. Wait, that's nuts.
27:54
I don't know if that even gets you a call back from the kids
27:57
ages. You know, it's it's like it is.
28:00
I heard numbers about kids that are on the Iowa team that I just
28:04
shook my head. But these these people know and
28:07
it's it's not going down. You know, it's, it's, it's not
28:10
going down. So that's a whole another
28:12
conversation. But it was such a good year.
28:14
I think you're right. It's it's it's rim protection
28:17
and they just got to get more athletic.
28:19
They're they're not bad, you know, take sage athlete, Isaiah
28:23
Howard athlete. It's just that they need instead
28:27
of take sage at 6-7, they need a couple guys that are 69 like
28:31
that. And then going back to Saturday,
28:34
the whole full Garrus thing was really interesting.
28:37
The minutes that he got or didn't get it was it was it was
28:41
a head scratcher for sure. No doubt you mentioned what we
28:45
saw at a Tate Sage and a guy that we definitely saw the
28:47
glimpses this year. I mean, I go back to the summer
28:49
and Ken and I'd have somebody on that was over at practice and
28:52
said Tate Sage, because his name continues to pop up like this
28:55
guy. Well, this guy was an absolute
28:57
stud this year and took it another step further during the
29:00
tournament. Shoots 39% from behind the arc.
29:03
We know the athleticism when he talked about upside and what he
29:06
still can become, That's like one heck of a building block
29:09
with Tate Sage. What you saw to him and what
29:11
he's going to be going forward, Yeah.
29:13
He, he could be a pro. I mean, I, I, I saw him, that
29:17
was a Friday night and he's, he's every bit of 6-8.
29:20
You know, sometimes you see those kids and they're like fix
29:22
sticks and a quarter, but he's every bit of 6/8 his brother is
29:26
in in the transfer portal. I think that's correct.
29:29
Actually was talking or is talking with you and I I think
29:32
so I think something like that would help if they could keep
29:36
the twins in state. You know, as far as you know
29:40
what, what the options Tate's going to have.
29:42
But if or when, when he comes back to Iowa in the fall, he's
29:47
going to be really good. He's got a chance.
29:49
And you know, again, you're talking about him.
29:52
Trey Thompson is a really good player.
29:54
You watch him in warm ups and you're like, man, that kid has
29:57
got a chance now. He's got a long ways to go.
29:59
But you know, Cam Fulgaris comes back, you know, maybe Tavian
30:04
Banks gets that year, you know, get a point guard, get the kid
30:09
from Storm Lake. I mean, get some pieces.
30:11
The kid from from Seattle or wherever he's from northwest
30:14
part of the country, they've got some pieces.
30:17
It's just, you know, now is the is the Wild West, whether it's
30:20
Ben Jacobson leaving, whether it's guys that are in the
30:23
portal. So you got to just almost start
30:25
over. Yeah.
30:25
Well, let me, let me get your take on Ben Jacobson leaving.
30:28
Right time to do it, coach. Yeah.
30:31
Great coach. You know, he, he turned the
30:32
Minnesota job down 10 years ago when it was, I think it's great
30:36
because I think Utah. So one of my dear friends play
30:39
the Utah State. They've had three head coaches
30:42
the last three years because they go there, They go 27 and
30:46
five, yes. And then they go to Cincinnati
30:48
or they go somewhere else. I think Ben's a great city. 55
30:52
brings some stability. Got 8/10/12 more really good
30:56
years now. The system he runs is not what
30:59
Utah State's used to, but I think he provides some some some
31:03
stability. Great coach.
31:05
I, I think it's a great hire maybe for, for, for Ben,
31:08
Obviously not for you and I, but there, there does come a time
31:10
when you got to let, let people go and find the next one.
31:14
You, I want to go back to Houston and seeing, seeing you
31:18
was great, seeing you and Greg Bruner and all these former
31:22
players and you guys up there. And I knew there was a big group
31:25
of you former players that were sitting together, what that's
31:28
like. And after we've talked about the
31:30
27 years, the 39 years since the Elite 8, all these different
31:33
things and this connection that you guys have all to the Iowa
31:37
basketball team, just what it was like all getting together
31:39
and seeing that squad 8 minutes away from a Final Four.
31:43
Yeah, so it was it was a lot of ex players and I tell you even
31:47
more so it was a lot of ex players that grew up in the
31:49
state of Iowa. I think that was kind of even
31:52
more looking back profound, especially for me now as I get
31:56
older. I was there with my daughter
31:57
who's a senior at Iowa and it just was a 48 hour adventure.
32:01
And you were there, Trent, that that that whole scene felt like
32:04
a like a like a tailgate. Before Iowa State football game
32:08
was outdoors and BBQ, you know, drink weather was great and it
32:13
just was people were excited and I think, you know, obviously
32:17
they hoped the game would go a little better, but I think the
32:20
excitement's there. It's just something where can
32:23
they can they keep it up? Can they, you know, there's
32:25
there's talk they're trying to raise 10s of millions of dollars
32:29
for actual true Carver innovation.
32:32
You know, it, it needs some refreshing.
32:35
Can they can they get some players in?
32:37
Can they keep players that they have?
32:38
I think they can because, you know, again, everybody's going
32:42
to get some type of money, you know, if you're a good player,
32:45
but then do you want to win? And hey, here's a style that
32:50
they one year ago they had no players on that roster. 0 Now
32:54
they had the Drake guys and Cooper was probably going to
32:57
come back, but they had zero kids on the roster.
32:59
Just think what he can do with, you know, now a full a full
33:03
year, 2 years, three years. I'm excited.
33:06
People should be excited. And the brand building that he's
33:08
done during this run, I mean, he did miss an opportunity to do a
33:11
national TV or radio hit. And why wouldn't you?
33:15
He gets it. He's selling his program.
33:17
No doubt about do either. You know this because I, I heard
33:20
it over Saturday as well. And Mccollum's brought it up
33:23
that Bennett Sturtz took a pay cut to come to Iowa.
33:26
Either of you have any idea how big of a pay cut that was?
33:29
I mean, the top level guys were making three and a half $4
33:32
million. Did he make a million?
33:34
Yeah, yeah, He was about 1.5, the estimates, the rumblings
33:37
that were out there. So yeah, he could have.
33:38
Made. I think that's pretty pretty
33:39
common. Probably double that.
33:41
Isn't that something? Yeah, I don't.
33:42
Think there's any question? Yeah.
33:44
Who does he have any question where?
33:45
How about 1520 years from now? How will Bennett Sturtz be
33:48
remembered here? Wade.
33:50
You know, it is, that's a good, it's really unique, you know,
33:53
because he was in Iowa City for what, nine months?
33:56
You know, I saw him, I saw him last April at this event in Des
33:59
Moines and he was getting ready for finals at Drake.
34:02
You forget that he still had to finish his course work at Drake
34:06
late April, early May than before even got to I was city.
34:10
You know, I think I think he and Ben will be tied together as
34:15
one. I, I think that's one that when
34:17
you mentioned Ben, you'll, you'll mention Bennett and vice
34:21
versa, because you know what this team would have been
34:25
without Bennett. Sturtz is a shell of what they
34:27
were. You know, Ben's a great coach
34:30
Now, don't get me wrong, but you got a top 20, top 25 first round
34:33
pick running the show that knows your system.
34:36
It was amazing. I think he will be will be loved
34:40
and and revered and just again, it's just hopefully the the
34:46
start of a great story to tell. Wade, I posed this a little bit
34:50
earlier when we were talking with Scott Dockerman and just
34:53
how this looks going forward. Bennett Sturtz is he's not a
34:55
generational guy. He's always going to have good
34:57
point guards. And you go back to Northwest
34:59
Missouri State, that's what we heard.
35:00
You might not recruit the best point guard, but every year he's
35:02
going to build the best point guard.
35:03
And that's what you're going to get out of Ben McCollum.
35:06
But what do you look at the way that they kind of had to play
35:08
this year and you look at it going forward, What do you what
35:11
do you think the end game kind of looks like when Ben McCollum
35:13
gets exactly once he what he wants roster wise?
35:16
How is this basketball team going to play?
35:21
I think it'll be similar. I think it'll be, you know, that
35:23
slow down, grind it out because because they're never going to
35:27
have Michigan athletes, you know, they're never going to
35:29
have probably even Illinois athletes.
35:30
But if you can find a taste stage, even every other year,
35:36
keep him around, develop him, sprinkle in some transfers they
35:39
got, you know, maybe get a foreign connection with with
35:43
with vulgaris, keep that going. I think they really have a
35:46
chance to to build something here.
35:50
You know, it's but it's it's just going to come down to to
35:53
resources, whatever that means, whether it's money or facilities
35:56
or pay for the coaches. That's that's one thing.
35:59
But if you can get talent and it doesn't have to be, you know,
36:04
Michigan type of transfer talent, if it can just be fairly
36:08
competitive and then you win that game Saturday and you get
36:13
you get UConn next Saturday. You know, UConn got they have
36:18
holes, they have war. You know they couldn't they
36:20
can't shoot great. So you never know.
36:22
You never know. It's not a seven game.
36:25
I think you and I talked Saturday was not a seven NBA or
36:29
seven game NBA series, right, where the best team is going to
36:32
win because you got to beat them four times.
36:34
They just had to beat him that one time and that was Saturday
36:36
and they were close, like Ken said, 32 minutes and they had
36:39
them. Wade looking Bill Wade, thanks
36:41
for doing this all season, man. Truly appreciate your wisdom and
36:44
your insight into a Hawkeye basketball over the years.
36:47
Wade, Thanks pal. Nice time you guys.
36:50
Thank you so much. Good to talk to you Wade looking
36:52
Bill, as we take a look back on the year, do you know what the
36:55
average the Iowa men did season ticket wise this year or there
36:59
what average attended? I think it was up 2000 from the
37:01
year. Previous 2000 tickets did they
37:04
did that top 11,010 thousand? I just remember hearing that
37:07
number. What do you think it goes up
37:09
next year? Can you get another 1500 on top
37:12
of that? I think that might be low.
37:14
Average 13,000 including everything, the non conference
37:17
buy games and everything. Is that a realistic goal?
37:20
And how many sellouts were there this year, do you remember?
37:23
There was a couple I think weren't there.
37:24
Weren't there a couple Big 10 games late in the year?
37:27
Didn't they sell out? There were?
37:28
I thought one did for sure the Purdue.
37:30
Game did, right. That was on a Saturday.
37:33
The Nebraska game did not. I do remember that it was close,
37:36
but it didn't. So maybe one, possibly two.
37:39
Well. That's going to change, one has
37:41
to assume, and I'm not saying it's going to change in
37:42
November. Well, and, and just, and this is
37:45
anecdotal, but the amount of people that I have heard from
37:48
here over these last couple of weeks and I checked out an Iowa
37:52
basketball, like maybe you would watch a big game every once in a
37:55
while. And just how how locked back in
37:57
they are and the frustrations and the drought and everything
38:00
else they came along with it. Those people are back and you
38:04
reinvigorate when you moved here.
38:06
That was it, was it. Iowa basketball was a huge
38:10
thing, yes, and it's a chance to get back to it now because he
38:13
had the right coach, a guy that gets it, you know, and a guy
38:16
that, boy, he knows how to coach doesn't.
38:18
It good God, I love the fact he was asked.
38:22
I think Sunday morning, you know, what'd you do last night
38:25
or what are you going to do to maybe it was Saturday before he
38:28
before his media or veils rather dried up.
38:32
I'll probably I won't sleep. I'm going to go back to the
38:33
room. I'll, I'll plug in the tape and
38:35
I'll and I'll watch to see where I screwed up, where I screwed
38:40
up. He's a brilliant coach.
38:43
Miller and Condon, our final segment trends, plays of the
38:45
day. Next it's the Iowa Sports Radio
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Network final couple of minutes. Welcome back.
38:49
It's Miller and Condon. Des Moines sports station one O
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6.3 KX&O, the Iowa Sports Radio Network's flagship 2O clock off
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the bench. Lucas and Sean tomorrow morning.
39:00
Heather and Alec get going right off the bat here at 6:00 AM TC
39:06
Plays of the Day. Circus Sports sponsored them
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tonight. A lot of full.
39:09
Is there a full card of baseball?
39:11
Seems like it is, yeah. I don't know if anybody's off,
39:13
but yeah, it's a big card coming up this evening.
39:16
We got 3 plays there. We got 2 plays in the Elite 8 on
39:19
the women's side of things. Let's kick it off with baseball
39:21
and don't bet against the streak.
39:23
Well, the Marlins have won three in a row.
39:24
By the way, do you see how they're doing it or who they're
39:26
doing it with? No starring for the Marlins.
39:29
Who's that game-winning hit? I think the last two games.
39:32
Owen Casey. Owen K.
39:34
Wow, look at that a while from now.
39:36
The guy going tonight, the Casey trade as we'll get to see
39:40
Cabrera. We're.
39:42
Going to play the Bartlett's laying -130 in that one, get
39:45
away -127 as well with the Reds tonight against the Pirates.
39:50
Have the edge on Burns in that pitching match up there, so get
39:53
a jump aboard there. And finally, I really like Nick
39:55
Martinez for the Rays and they're getting plus 140 tonight
39:58
on the road at Milwaukee. Need a loss for those Brew Crew,
40:01
right? Let's not let them race out in
40:04
front here with the Cubs off to a bit of a slow start.
40:06
So we're going to grab plus 140 there with the Rays pick #3 in
40:10
baseball. Then just going to play both the
40:11
favorites. In the women's side of things,
40:14
though, both underdogs pushed yesterday against UConn and
40:17
against UCLA. What?
40:18
Was the number in the UConn game Any idea?
40:21
I got an 11 1/2. There were 12 and a halfs also
40:23
in the market. It was right on the number and
40:25
it came down and they stretched it out there at the end, those
40:28
final. 3 UConn struggle in the game.
40:30
I'm talking about UCLA, sorry. Against Notre Dame that was like
40:34
28 1/2. It was that big, yeah.
40:36
And love Notre Dame in that spot.
40:38
Notre Dame was playing well, but still, I mean, the gap is just
40:41
significant. South Carolina's laying 14 1/2
40:44
tonight against TCU. Texas laying 9 1/2 against
40:47
Michigan I think. Both favorites cover.
40:49
My mind's just tainted with the Iowa Michigan games too.
40:52
Like Michigan was one of the few teams that actually pushed UCLA
40:55
and pushed UConn this year, but those two games against the
40:57
Hawkeyes just still linger in my mind.
40:59
Maybe too much, but I'll grab the Longhorns minus the 9 1/2.
41:02
So 5 plays, three in baseball, 2IN women's hoops.
41:05
I know we're four days away from you.
41:07
Making your picks on Friday before the final.
41:10
Yeah, it's the the Arizona, Michigan game.
41:13
Is it as much of A coin flip as the country?
41:15
Believes it is. Oh, absolutely.
41:17
You think it is? Yeah.
41:18
I can't get. Past Michigan, they're just so
41:21
dominant. They've got that proverbial
41:24
extra gear. I say that watching Arizona go
41:27
into their extra gear in the second-half against Purdue.
41:29
Well, Michigan struggled with Howard.
41:32
They did. They did.
41:33
Didn't Arizona struggle in one of the?
41:35
Games. You were very much a creature of
41:36
the moment. The last time you see a team,
41:39
yes, really dictates the way that you feel.
41:41
Yes, they had struggled. The first two rounds didn't.
41:45
Not Duke struggles. Right, not at that level, but.
41:48
And then Duke comes out yesterday, just says whooping
41:50
them. Because I think they had five
41:52
out of 6 where they didn't cover Michigan before what they did.
41:54
And obviously he gets Tennessee took it to another level.
41:57
So no, I do, I think it's going to be a coin flip.
42:01
That coin flip for me, not going to land exactly in the middle.
42:04
It's going to land on Michigan. I don't know what I'm going to
42:07
do UConn, Illinois, though. Well, we've got some time to
42:10
figure that out before we get there.
42:12
Absolutely good stuff. All right, yeah, it's baseball
42:14
for me tonight as well. Settle in, watch a little
42:17
baseball and see how that goes. All right, that's going to do it
42:21
for us. We appreciate you being here.
42:23
Coming up next is off the bench on the Iowa Sports Radio
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Network. Overtime Iowa still to come.
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