Latest / Take1.5 Podcast: Stories from the Messy In-between / 콩글리쉬 하는 교포1.5세는 다 공감하는 이야기 파트2. 정체성은 어떻게 생겨날까? All About Identity Development for the 1.5 Generation

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콩글리쉬 하는 교포1.5세는 다 공감하는 이야기 파트2. 정체성은 어떻게 생겨날까? All About Identity Development for the 1.5 Generation · Take1.5 Podcast: Stories from the Messy In-between

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  What makes a person self confident self?
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  Assured, just knowing that you're enough, you don't have to
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  like fit into a certain box. You're just who you are as a
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  person and you're you're a good person.
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  You're OK, you know, there may be some rooms for improvement,
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  but you're OK. You're an OK person.
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  I think that's what can make people more self confident.
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  It's hard to feel that way as a, as a Korean American living in
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  the US as a part of the minority, because it's
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  inevitable that you're going to feel this, you know, like I
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  don't fit in. I want to fit in, you know, why
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  can I fit in? Like, is there something wrong
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  with me, you know? I'm not enough.
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  Yeah, whenever I feel like I don't belong somewhere, I tell
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  myself that you're you're good enough.
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  If that place makes you feel like you don't belong, maybe
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  that's it's not the right fit for you.
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  There's nothing wrong with me. There's nothing wrong with them.
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  And we're just like not a good fit.
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  That place might be a good place for other people and other
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  people might be very happy, you know, being there.
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  But then I'm not. And that's just how things are.
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  You know, I'm OK with that because I'm an OK person.
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  That's kind of the mindset that I want to my children to have.
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  Yes, as Korean American, as an Asian American, you're, you
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  know, you're going to experience discrimination and racism and
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  cultural conflict. You're going to feel like you
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  don't belong somewhere or anywhere that you go at time.
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  And it's not really just about you.
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  It's about that environment that people too, you know, we're not
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  like putting a blame on on them 100%, but it's, it's sometimes
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  it's not you, right? And, and it's OK.
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  If you feel that way, you're going to find a right place for
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  you. And then that's what life is
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  about, You know, it's about searching and really creating
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  and then finding the place and building your own place so that
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  you feel comfortable being in your own skin, right?
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  And, and that's still a journey for me.
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  Like, did I find the right place?
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  And like, kind of I want to, I want to make more improvement,
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  you know, so it's a lifelong journey.
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  Sure is. It's such a struggle.
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  I think, yes, being that in between space is uncomfortable.
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  Many of us Asian Americans or minority groups, we have the
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  internalized idea of what America looks like.
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  Because we have that idea, we feel like we are not that
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  picture image of America. We automatically associate that
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  with being not enough. What do you?
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  Think that's a big problem and struggle that we need to
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  overcome and work very hard as adults to change that
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  perspective in our society. We're just not used to something
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  in between so that we we don't like that and we just need more
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  exposure. You know, there are lots of
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  people who are in between and many different kind of, you
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  know, spectrum. We call ourselves with this
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  label Korean American, but who has the same experience?
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  Nobody really. And it's really about creating
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  and knowing, you know, how you are, in what way you are Korean
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  American, right? And and there may be kind of a
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  certain definition of, you know, like if you're born here and in
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  AUS territory, you know, and then spend how much time here,
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  you know, then that will make you become American.
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  Even with that, you struggle because the society doesn't
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  really see you as American. That's kind of, you know, the,
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  the perpetual foreigner, the immigrants experienced and like
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  early on, you know, and then it's what our kids experienced
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  now too. It didn't go away.
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  It's still there. We have better ways to deal with
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  it or we know what works better a little bit, but the kids still
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  experienced that. It's it's not, it's not gone.
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  So knowing all of that and become more knowledgeable and
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  about how to overcome that. And I think that's something
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  that we need to look at so that we can empower our kids, too.
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  So can we talk about that, give us some tips on what we could do
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  at home to empower our. Children, it's very, very
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  interesting that as a, as a clinician, because we like,
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  we've learned about these kind of, you know, identity issues
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  and I and I feel like people would be able to kind of talk
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  about it if I open it up. But then no, not even a
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  professional setting with skills.
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  It's hard for for somebody to talk openly about their identity
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  because it's like not they've never done it.
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  They don't have a language. I thought I didn't have that
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  experience with my parents because I was here alone and my
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  parents are in Korea. They really didn't have much
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  understanding. But then it's same for a lot of
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  other Korean American kids who are born here and living with
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  their parents. They still don't have that sort
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  of conversation about their cultural struggle or identity
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  issues and things like that. It needs to happen from very
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  early on and, and, and a different research show that
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  socialization and the conversation that parents have
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  and the parents initiate about racial and ethnic identities.
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  And that will make them understand their their identity
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  and also deal with their struggles in a, in a healthier
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  way and be more confident, you know, and, and that's also
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  linked to a better academic performance and, you know,
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  things like that. So there are lots of benefits
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  about talking about this openly within the family.
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  That's a really one big thing that parents will need to do.
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  How that looks like is really being open about your own
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  struggles, right? Today, you know, I went to post
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  office and the the person talked so fast.
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  I couldn't understand. Like if I were to be in Korean,
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  you know, I could understand everything and be so efficient.
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  But I feel like I'm this like traveler who came in a different
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  country. Like it was such a struggle.
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  I had a hard day just opening up about your struggle as an, as an
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  immigrant. I think that's helpful.
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  And, and also like asking questions to the kids about, you
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  know, oh, like I've noticed that you are the only Korean person
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  and in the class this year, you know, how does that feel?
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  And kids might be like, was I the only Korean?
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  I didn't even notice that, right.
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  But then that opened up the, the space for them to kind of talk
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  about those things. So later on, if they had issues
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  or if they had like awkward, honey, you don't, you don't need
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  to sit there mom. You know, I, I, I had this like,
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  experience and this kid didn't want to talked to me or, and
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  only hung out with, you know, white kids, for example, you
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  know, and I felt really awkward. I don't know what happened.
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  You know, Then, you know, it's really about like parents
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  initiating the conversation and opening up the door so that they
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  can talk about those things because those things definitely
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  exist. And those things definitely
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  happen from like, preschool years.
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  Yeah, yeah. And if they feel comfortable
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  opening up to their parents about this, it's kind of like a
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  like a medication really. It's not something that parents
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  can solve necessarily, but like being there to listen.
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  I think that itself can be a very good, you know, remedy for
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  for kids and they'll feel that connection, right.
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  So that's one, you know, talking and having that open
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  conversation. And in order for us to do that,
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  we as parents will really need to know like what sort of
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  cultural identity do I have, You know, what sort of experience
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  did I have as a Korean and Korean person, you know, living
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  in the US? So that's self exploration.
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  Self reflection is definitely, definitely like a fundamental
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  aspect of all this. It'll be beneficial for parents
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  to really listen to other people's stories like, and, and
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  that's why I like, I really truly mean, I love your podcast
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  because it gives you different stories, different narratives
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  about how people like Korean Americans experience their own
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  Korean American identity. It's all different, right?
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  And, and I wish all parents have this like curiosity and, and the
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  like know the need to know all these stories so that they can
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  expand their perspective on things and also not categorize
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  their children's own experience of their Korean identity.
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  There's no right or wrong, you know, answer to this to
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  understand their children's own journey.
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  It's about like knowing yourself, being open about your
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  children's identity and kind of being there for them, right?
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  It's not something that the teachers can do.
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  It's not something, I mean, it's something that they could they
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  can do later on in their lives. But, you know, if they can
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  figure this out early on, they're going to be able to
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  develop healthier identity. Yeah.
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  The struggle will be less. Yeah.
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  It reminds me of having a sex talk talking about adoption with
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  your kids. Start early on, be honest, be
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  open, and always be willing to listen, but knowing that you are
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  not the problem solver. Exactly.
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  Yeah. So there is that commonality.
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  Yeah, totally, totally. Yeah, I think, I think us
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  parents get into a lot of trouble because we think we
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  could resolve this problem. We have to solve this for our
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  kids. Yeah, How can we?
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  I have my own experience of going through things, and it's
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  ongoing and it's going to be very different from my children.
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  And how in the world would I be able to know, you know, what my
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  child is going through? I have no clue.
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  And the only support that I can possibly give is, you know, I'm
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  here. I'm here to listen whenever you
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  want to talk. It's, it's a humbling
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  experience, right? Admitting that I cannot know
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  everything. I cannot resolve everything.
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  And, and man, it's, it's really funny.
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  I married pretty early, like in my like mid 20s.
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  Took me a while for me to finally realize that oh, like I
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  can have a child now because I, I didn't want to raise my kid
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  like in, in America. I didn't want them to experience
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  any sort of discrimination and racism and conflict that I had
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  to deal with because like I'm the same person, you know, and
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  just because I'm in this different environment, like I
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  all of a sudden become a like a minority.
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  I just didn't like that And I always but you know, I'm never
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  going to do any sort of parenting and in America, you
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  know, things have happened. I stayed and then had my child
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  children here. I did like for my dissertation,
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  I looked at how like parents talk about, you know, race and
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  ethnicity can impact and that was kind of like a me search
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  really in my natural year because I was so scared.
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  I didn't know what to do and I was so scared and I was, so I
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  was like 8 months pregnant and I was doing a dissertation like
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  defense and the proposal and, and I was like, I'm I'm really
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  scared. I don't know what to do with it,
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  you know, but I'm going to figure it out, you know,
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  academically and professionally and personally.
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  And they gave me, it gave me a like relief that, you know,
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  there's some things that I can do right for my kids.
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  And, and it doesn't have to be like what I have to go through.
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  I can be of a resource and I feel OK about it, right?
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  I'm going to be so sad if I've been sad when my kids talk told
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  me about their kind of discriminatory experiences.
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  And and I'm like this early, like I can't believe it.
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  But then knowing all of that and like knowing what to do and how
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  to advocate for my kids and what sort of conversation that I can
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  have with my children, having that knowledge, it's so
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  comforting. I want other other parents to
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  feel that way about it too. Yeah, it's empowering.
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  Yeah, it is. Yeah, I mean, I, my kids were
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  born in New York, the older 2, but they grew up in the South,
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  here in North Carolina. My experience have been like I
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  had to catch up very quickly for my kids.
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  Living in New York. And New Jersey, I mean, there
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  are so many Korean people. I don't have to think about it
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  too much. I feel like although it has been
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  a struggle, lifelong struggle for me, but here I had to really
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  catch up really quickly so that I could teach my children how to
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  defend themselves when these things come right.
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  And it's inevitable that these things come in a very explicit
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  and non explicit ways. So I felt like I had to model
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  for them. And I don't think I've succeeded
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  every single time, but at least I feel like I have taught them
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  or model for them that hey, don't talk to me that way.
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  That is not allowed about race, about gender, about anything.
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  But, you know, I mean, of course, I wonder, oh, I don't
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  know if I did it the right way or I did enough, but how can I,
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  how can I? So it was, it's a very
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  interesting topic for me. And now that I have a grandchild
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  who's biracial. Yeah.
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  So that's a whole new topic, right?
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  Totally. As long as this child knows who
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  she is, she's loved, she's accepted and she's good enough
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  and she belongs in this family, that's really it.
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  And all, of course, all these things will she will have to go
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  through her own things in life. But as long as she knows that
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  her parents are supporting her extended family, grandparents,
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  Tiger grandma here. Totally, totally.
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  Yeah. Hey, you know, it's it's just
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  what it is. It's it's life, right?
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  Definitely, definitely. Like when it comes to bicultural
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  identity, it's about the, the integration, like how much 2
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  culture can blend in and coexist in a, in a, in a one place.
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  A lot of times, you know, we are like trying to be 100% Korean,
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  speak Korean, you know, at home and, and kids are like totally
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  opposite, you know, like in, in their like school, for example,
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  or how they think or, you know, the values will change and, you
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  know, as they enter the, the real world.
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  So if there is like a big separation between home and the
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  society, kids are going to struggle withholding on to two
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  values together. And so it's our parents job
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  really to introduce how those things can coexist.
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  You can be really Korean American in our society too,
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  right? Some of the the things that I
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  really try to do is to show up in school, like try to know a
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  lot of kids and they know me and you know, like I'm this person
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  from from my child's Korean home who enters the society, the
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  bigger society. It's not really just about being
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  there for your child, it's for your child's identity and kind
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  of showing that 2 cultures and. Coexist.
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  Right. And also for me personally,
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  staying in between places is always hard.
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  It's always a struggle and and what I try to do whenever I.
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  Like. Feel like there's a conflict,
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  like whenever I try to, I feel like I need to be more
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  Americanized or be American or act like I'm like 100% American.
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  Nowadays I really try to hold on to the opposite side of that and
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  try to bring Korean side of me little more so that I can be
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  both in in the environment that I'm in.
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  Several months ago, it was my daughter's birthday and she goes
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  to like local preschool. So I was trying to kind of thing
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  like what can be done, you know, to celebrate her birthday at
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  school. And the, the, the thought that
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  immediate thought I had was like, what's the most American
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  way to do this? Like, I want to do it right.
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  And I was like, Oh, yeah, maybe cupcakes, you know, like simple
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  vanilla, you know, vanilla frosting, nothing fancy.
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  Starbucks. And I thought to myself, like,
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  is this the way that I want to celebrate my daughter's
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  birthday? You know, if she wants something
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  else, you know, other than cupcake, I'll be brave enough to
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  bring that and try to introduce, you know, so I asked my child
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  and she said cupcake. So I brought the, the cupcake,
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  but I also decided to bring some sweets for the staff and I told
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  the teachers that, you know, like I couldn't resist this
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  Korean in me, you know, like in, in Korea, we celebrate birthdays
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  by sharing food with everyone. And I, I wanted to do that with
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  the teacher. So here are some treats, you
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  know, sweets for you too. Like I needed to be brave,
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  deliver that message. Why I, I wanted to do that so
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  that I could be that Korean and American in in one setting and
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  and I turns out that one of the teachers like, oh, like we do
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  that in our culture too. You know, we share food and like
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  this is such a great treat like thank you so much.
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  So we were able to create that bonding, you know, in the moment
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  by me being Korean. It was a fresh experience for me
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  because I always thought being Korean in an American Society as
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  it creates that distance, but then it sometimes can create the
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  connection. Too.
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  You are intentional about it, yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. And that that was helpful and
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  that made me kind of feel like, Oh yeah, I can be Korean
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  American. That's.
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  Great and that made me think about something We are adoptive
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  family so I have always been involved with adoption
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  community. One thing that I I really
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  wondered every time I go to 1 of dysfunctions, most of them non
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  Koreans adopting Korean children and they want to have that
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  immersion experience of food and humble and Prugogi and Chapchi
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  fans. You know these things like take
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  pictures in humble awesome. But I always wondered is, is
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  that it? Like, is there something beyond
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  Chapchi and Prugogi is what I thought, but I did not have an
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  idea what that would be. Our conversation today is really
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  giving me some ideas of, yeah, it could go beyond boogogen top
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  ten and really teaching these children about what it means to
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  be Korean American, right, Korean heritage.
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  Totally. You know, this is the
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  conversation that I have with my husband very often.
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  What sort of values that you like?
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  Like what sort of Korean values you like and you don't like.
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  And we kind of had the conversation with Yogi's and,
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  and, and, and that, that like humbleness, like how we ended
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  the conversation is like, no matter what, there is a value to
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  being humble because it's not, it's not really about not
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  showing what you've done or what you are capable of, but it's
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  more of understanding other people, like the other person's
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  perspective and valuing their presence and really thinking
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  about how we can make them feel more comfortable in my presence,
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  right. So it's about like thinking
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  about others before. And that's definitely so Korean,
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  right? And I want my kids to have that
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  value because it's so beautiful. It makes people like being
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  compassionate with other and being interested in other
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  people. And, you know, that's what makes
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  that connection no matter what, you know, I, I want my kids to
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  think of like value their relationship like Koreans do.
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  And now, like people say, you know, that has changed in Korea,
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  but like, what if it changed? Like I've experienced that, Like
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  I have it in me, you know, I can pass that down, you know, to my
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  children and have them experience that too and see the
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  value. You know, I think it's great
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  that we can we can do that. We are creating our own family
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  traditions and cultures that's really coexisting of American
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  being Korean, being, you know, mixed family, adoptive families,
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  all these components come together and we make our own
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  cultural identity of our family. So I sometimes I wondered, am I
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  doing it right? Doubtful, questioning.
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  But I think more and more I realize, hey, this is how it's
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  done in our family. This is our tradition.
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  This is our identity. Definitely, we're creating our
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  own. Right.
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  That's OK, right? Definitely, Yeah, as long as
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  you're intentional and you think about these, you know more can
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  be done, right? You know, no matter how I try or
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  if I'm delusional, this Korean, this will be passed down
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  throughout the generation. It's really unrealistic.
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  It'll be some form of being Korean American family rooted.
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  Totally. Yeah, totally.
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  Yeah. I think understanding that is
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  really a key, not a loss. It's like creating new things.
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  So exactly. Beautiful.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Exactly, So I'm curious, what does Korean American look like?
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  What was your idea? What we look like like.
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  Like a different hairstyle, The the like and, and, but like, one
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  thing that I know is like, take a tire and hold on.
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  We're more free to kind of express our emotions, you know,
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  so it's there the like not caring about what other people
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  think, you know, all those things.
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  But that is that the only one picture, like one image.
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  That's the image that I had in my mind.
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  But, but just because I'm not like that, like I, I'm still
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  when I was younger, when I wasn't really exposed to other
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  kind of Korean American immigrant families.
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  And now here, like I'm in New Jersey area where there are lots
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  of different stories and different forms of, you know,
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  Korean American that I'm exposed to that I have like more, you
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  know, understand. Yeah, Yeah.
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  It's funny because I was in Korea a few several years ago,
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  actually, and I was sitting in a cafe at Xundong, right?
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  You know, behind the people say, oh, you look like people.
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  Always wondered what that meant. What do you mean?
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  Like you look like people. So I was sitting in this cafe by
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  myself, and then this whole family of five walks by, right?
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  And I'm like, oh, they're people.
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  Yeah, because yes, yes. Totally, totally, totally.
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  Because yeah, they were wearing Nike shorts and you know, all
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  that stuff. So I'm like I was laughing by
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  myself going that's only. It's it's totally there.
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  I was in Korea for two months. My parents see me through this
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  Korean beauty. So they're like, what happened
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  to you? What have you done to yourself?
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  Are you not taking care of yourself within that two months,
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  as I stay with my parents, you know, I've kind of learned their
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  way of kind of doing it. So I kind of transformed a
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  little bit in a Korean way. And now I feel like I'm, I am a
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  Korean American who just went to go back to Korea for a couple
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  months. Hey, Gay.
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  Beauty is a thing, you know it's a thing.
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  Totally. I'm so impressed.
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  And you know, it's amazing. Yeah.
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  So yeah, just. Catch up.
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  Forget it. I know, I know, you know, We
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  just need to be honest with ourselves.
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  We have those like images and stereotypes and all those things
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  here too. And if we don't acknowledge
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  that, I feel like it's just like, it's just, it's just out
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  there implicitly. And like people like don't know,
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  I'm just like, kids especially take baths as their own, you
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  know? So I think it's helpful to know
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  all those. Last question for you, if you
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  were to describe yourself as food or movie or song, what
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  would that be and why? The image that came up to my
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  mind is eggs. It's Fridays.
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  Oh, it's something that can be easily done.
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  It can go across the cultures, can be very nutritious, very
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  accessible, just overall, like so easy.
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  You know, I've become and want to become that person, can go
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  anywhere and just be myself, you know, have my presence.
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  That's who I want to be and who I'm kind of, you know, working
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  on myself off to me because of my experience here in the US as
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  a bicultural individual. So yeah, eggs can go anywhere,
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  right? It can be cooked in many
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  different ways, right? So.
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  Yeah, I love that. Before having me today, I love.
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  Today's conversation is such a good topic.
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  Always very interesting to hear about other people's experiences
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  and point of views. Be honest with ourselves.
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  Be honest with our children. Start young talking about this
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  topic because it is the reality, even if we push aside, it
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  happens even today. So it's an important character
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  building and identity building for our children that it's it
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  should be part of our parenting toolbox, especially for Asian
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  American families because it is a huge part of who we are.
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