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Steve Price | 14 August · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Bryce. Good evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 1: Great to have you with us. Now, predictably victorious worst
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Speaker 1: ever Premier to Cinder Allen, like her predecessor Daniel Andrews,
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Speaker 1: has jumped ship and taken off with a hefty pension,
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Speaker 1: leaving behind the binfire that is currently Victoria. I'll have
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Speaker 1: more on that shortly. This at the end of a
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Speaker 1: week federally where melons and delusion have dominated the political landscape,
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Speaker 1: and a week the Prime Minister would rather forget just
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Speaker 1: a little rosier overnight details in a moment. Imagine how
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Speaker 1: relieved Anthony Alberanezi was when the hardline phone in his
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Speaker 1: office rang last night and Donald Trump was on the
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Speaker 1: other end. You could see the relief in his eyes
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Speaker 1: at a hastily arranged media event at Parliament this morning,
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Speaker 1: and literally could hear it in his voice. Yesterday's aluminum
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Speaker 1: cashplash didn't move the dial, but the Japanese Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: Trump could move the dial. We'll have more on Matt shortly,
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Speaker 1: also coming up tonight on the program. In the middle
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Speaker 1: of a debt crisis in Victoria and three and a
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Speaker 1: half months out from an election where a government waste
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Speaker 1: will play a major role in the outcome. This week alone,
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Speaker 1: details in the Herald Sun reveal and astonishing six hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars of taxpayers money spent on coffee machines and
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Speaker 1: coffee beans in one government department, plus two point six
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Speaker 1: million dollars over ten years to rent pot plants. You
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Speaker 1: can't make this stuff up. Shadow Attorney General James Newberry
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Speaker 1: will join me shortly and he'll rate just Cinder Allen's
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Speaker 1: time in office. Plus we catch up with the likely
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Speaker 1: new member for Bendigo East, the MP from the NATS,
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Speaker 1: Andrew Lethling. Also tonight, a crisis in national health in
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Speaker 1: the national health system and conditions in hospitals around the
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Speaker 1: country have not improved since COVID and are about to
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Speaker 1: get a lot worse after the Federal government slashed private
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Speaker 1: health insurance rebates for older Australians. Shadow Health Minister and
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Speaker 1: Rusten on that, plus the waiting times for home age
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Speaker 1: care just get worse. Also tonight, both the Government and
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Speaker 1: the Federal Opposition seemed frozen over reforms to gambling legislation,
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Speaker 1: with divisions inside both parties on the changes. Are they
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Speaker 1: too harsh or not harsh? Enough, But what impact would
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Speaker 1: they have on the racing industry, especially the viability of
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Speaker 1: country racing clubs to survive. Aaron Morrison, CEO of Racing Victoria,
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Speaker 1: will explain plus Friday regular Campbell Newman on the slump
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Speaker 1: in the housing prizes nationwide and his take on the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister's inability to say sorry. But first we'll have
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Speaker 1: a look in a moment at that six hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars coffee contract paid by you and I and all
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Speaker 1: those other Victorians, and we will speak to the Shadow
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Speaker 1: Attorney General, as I said James Newbury in a moment.
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Speaker 1: But first to those student marches around the country yesterday
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Speaker 1: and the attacks on Pauline Hansen. Now, the first thing
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Speaker 1: to say about them is they would be like water
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Speaker 1: off a duck's back for Hanson herself. But the hypocrisy
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Speaker 1: and the juvenile ignorance those demonstrators shone a light on
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Speaker 1: are frightening. The indocrination of a generation of late high
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Speaker 1: school and early university students was on display yesterday and
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Speaker 1: of course earlier this year in a series of pro
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Speaker 1: Palestine and anti Israel marches that led to an explosion
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Speaker 1: of anti Semitism stoked by various radical socialist groups and
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Speaker 1: university unions. Now it appears that the same activists are
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Speaker 1: now determined to turn their attention away from Gaza and
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Speaker 1: start attacking Senator Pauline Hansen in a disgusting, aggressive campaign
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Speaker 1: of abuse. Just for a moment, cast your eyes at
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Speaker 1: some of the banners that were waved around by these
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Speaker 1: juvenile dimwitz yesterday. Hanson was called a racist, bitch, a fascist,
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Speaker 1: told to go to heat. And this nonsense comment from
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Speaker 1: one of the organizers, who said, how can you have
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Speaker 1: a normal day at school when you know a Pauline
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Speaker 1: Hanson One Nation government could take power and deport half
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Speaker 1: of your classmates? What garbage I mean? The organizer went
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Speaker 1: on to urge their protesting teenager mates that there was
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Speaker 1: no time to be complacent. Now, I presume this young
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Speaker 1: woman was referring to One Nation's pledge to crack down
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Speaker 1: on student visa over stayers who are illegally in the country,
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Speaker 1: illegally here benefiting from taxpayer funded education. And if it
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Speaker 1: is half that young woman's class, we have an even
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Speaker 1: bigger problem than we realize. Now, as usual, a few
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Speaker 1: Greens MPs hung around the edges of the Sydney rally
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Speaker 1: where incredibly disturbingly, if it's actly reported, said quote Pauline
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Speaker 1: Hanson's worst nightmare was the student crowd, and then directly referred,
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Speaker 1: according to The Australian Today, to Pauline Enhances as a
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Speaker 1: racist if I mean g that's intellectually adding to the debate,
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Speaker 1: isn't it now? As One Nation Deputy leader Barnaby Joyce said,
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Speaker 1: like yesterday, these kids were being indoctrinated.
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Speaker 2: They're not interested in politics. They're following instruction from a
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Speaker 2: socialist clique that has basically given instruction. I don't think
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Speaker 2: if you'd gone to those students four weeks ago and
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Speaker 2: said to explain to me the policies of the Labor Party,
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Speaker 2: the Greens One Nation in a proficient form, so much
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Speaker 2: so that you would actually go and strike and you'd
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Speaker 2: have much luck. What I do believe in is that
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Speaker 2: a group of Call for what is socialist left leaning
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Speaker 2: organizers have basically given inspiration instruction to students to manifestly
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Speaker 2: portray their political views.
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Speaker 1: While in Melbourne, to make matters worse, the masked a
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Speaker 1: mask coward one of the protesters with a mask disguising
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Speaker 1: his identity snatched the News twenty four microphone off our
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Speaker 1: reporter Georgie Dickinson, who had to chase down this week
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Speaker 1: moron to get the microphone back.
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Speaker 3: Similar sentiment to where caser is it written?
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Speaker 1: Sorry for give.
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Speaker 2: Him back, Give it back, give a give a buck give.
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Speaker 4: She saw her microphone back.
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Speaker 1: What a gutless fool wasn't even brave enough to show
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Speaker 1: his face, I mean, and snatched the microphone out of
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Speaker 1: a female reporter doing her job, and Georgie did in
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Speaker 1: a magnificent job. She did also access the intelligence of
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Speaker 1: some of those that were actually in the crowd. What
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Speaker 1: she got back is GOB's ackingly frightening. Have a look.
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Speaker 5: This is I don't like what she says against immigration.
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Speaker 6: To stand up for what's right and show what kids
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Speaker 6: want and what is that?
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Speaker 4: What do kids want?
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Speaker 1: Ah?
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Speaker 6: Freedom and what diversity?
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Speaker 7: Were here to say no to the fascist far right
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Speaker 7: policies of Pauline Handsome.
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Speaker 8: Protesting for what's right, and like what's wrong with what
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Speaker 8: she's doing.
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Speaker 6: Just how she acts and stuff like as my son says,
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Speaker 6: she is racist, sexist and a Nazi and just no
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Speaker 6: one really wants as a president or not president like Minister.
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Speaker 1: God help the future of this country if those people
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Speaker 1: are going to be running it one day, I mean,
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Speaker 1: not knowing the difference between a president and a prime minister.
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Speaker 1: What are we teaching these kids at school? I mean
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Speaker 1: Hanson herself. She nailed it by suggesting we should be
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Speaker 1: teaching children to think, not what to think. And as
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Speaker 1: she said, if you want to protest, then march about
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Speaker 1: the crippling cost of living, or march about the value
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Speaker 1: of your parents' house going back your inheritance disappearing. Of course,
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Speaker 1: it's much easier and less intellectually difficult to run around
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Speaker 1: supporting a deadly terrorist regime like Hamas or calling Pauline
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Speaker 1: a racial fascist bitch. Of course, these lefty, indoctrinated UNI
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Speaker 1: students will become, some of them the next draft of
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Speaker 1: hard left socialist labor recruits for the next generation of
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Speaker 1: state and federal labor members of Parliament, and sadly, come
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Speaker 1: election time here in Victoria, expect more of this Pauline
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Speaker 1: handsome hate speech. It will be out of control. Okay,
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Speaker 1: staying with Victorian politics, we're former premier to center. Allen
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Speaker 1: didn't surprise anyone today. She confirmed this morning what we've
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Speaker 1: all been expecting she is jumping ship, refusing to face
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Speaker 1: the people in an election as the former premier and
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Speaker 1: taking off with a lifetime pension. Some say as much
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Speaker 1: as three hundred thousand dollars a year. It could be
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Speaker 1: more many Victorians and she can have another job. By
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Speaker 1: the way, many Victorians wanted her to stay so she
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Speaker 1: could be booted out of her own seat. I'll talk
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Speaker 1: after the break to the National's candidate for that seat,
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Speaker 1: Andrew Lethling. Joining me now is the Liberals Shadow Attorney
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Speaker 1: General James Newbury. Good to see you again. A surprise,
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Speaker 1: just sent a jump.
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Speaker 4: No, because she didn't want to face the people, did she?
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Speaker 9: And as you said, she's heading out, probably costing Victoria
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Speaker 9: more than any other minister or MP in history in
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Speaker 9: terms of overseeing the fifteen billion dollars of corruption under
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Speaker 9: her watch.
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Speaker 4: And now we're paying for the pension for her.
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Speaker 9: So though almost no members of Parliament get a pension anymore,
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Speaker 9: taxpayers are footing.
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Speaker 4: That bill too.
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Speaker 9: And I think Victorians are pretty angry today knowing number one,
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Speaker 9: she's not going to be held accountable. Number two, she
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Speaker 9: cost us in terms of her lack of oversight over corruption,
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Speaker 9: and now we're paying for her to have lifelong pension
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Speaker 9: of a reporter three hundred thousand dollars a year.
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Speaker 4: Pretty rough trot, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Well. James Admitis reported today that she's going to take
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Speaker 1: off overseas. Now, no one begrudges her going on doing
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Speaker 1: whatever she wants once she's out of Parliament. But unless
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Speaker 1: she caused a by election, doesn't she have to stay
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Speaker 1: in her seat and attend Parliament before the writs are
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Speaker 1: given for the election to actually start.
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Speaker 9: Unless it's very shortly before an election, there is an
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Speaker 9: exemption in those circumstances. By the way, she hasn't been
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Speaker 9: in Parliament for the last couple of weeks before she
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Speaker 9: made her announcements, so we're paying for that too. But
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Speaker 9: you know, just before an election you can leave and
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Speaker 9: there is no by election requirement. I think the thing
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Speaker 9: that's upset Victorians is the lack of accountability. I mean,
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Speaker 9: there are just no consequences in this state anymore. There's
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Speaker 9: no financial consequence, there's no you know, consequence for what's
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Speaker 9: happened under her watch.
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Speaker 4: She's just jumped ship onto a really really big pension,
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Speaker 4: you know, a big cushion of a pension.
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Speaker 9: And I think Victorians are saying, hang on, we've paid
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Speaker 9: for all of this and now we're paying for it more.
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Speaker 4: What's up with that? And they're very fair questions.
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Speaker 1: What will a legacy be?
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Speaker 9: I think she's got to be the worst premiere we've
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Speaker 9: ever had. Now it's a hard competition against Dan. And
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Speaker 9: I can hear of you as right now throwing things
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Speaker 9: at the TV and saying what about Dan?
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Speaker 4: The difference is fifteen billion dollars.
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Speaker 9: I mean, Dan was shocking, you know, and you know
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Speaker 9: it's probably about a one percent, you know, between the
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Speaker 9: two of them. But this, this premiere, under her watch,
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Speaker 9: oversaw a fifteen billion dollars of corrupted money in this state.
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Speaker 9: And so I think the and frankly, we've also seen
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Speaker 9: a crime crisis which is caused the most shocking instances
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Speaker 9: of crime.
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Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw it, but only a
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Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, poor.
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Speaker 9: Trader across in Sunbury died as a result of a
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Speaker 9: crime and he shot front.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just a shock.
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Speaker 9: And most Victorians have heard about it and we're all
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Speaker 9: your heartbroken over it. This is the type of stuff
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Speaker 9: that's happened under Jacinder Allen so I reckon worst premieer
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Speaker 9: we've ever had.
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Speaker 1: One of the big issues this week, James, was the
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Speaker 1: revelation that the states, actually the corruption bodies, have been
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Speaker 1: stripped of many of their resources. Why would that be
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Speaker 1: happening at a time when we've got so much corruption
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Speaker 1: on the goat.
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Speaker 9: Well, because when corruptions occurring, well, what does a labor
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Speaker 9: government do. They starve them at funds to stop them
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Speaker 9: being able to investigate. I mean, it's the oldest trick
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Speaker 9: in the book, isn't it. I Mean, labor knows there's
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Speaker 9: corruption and funding goes down. You know, when IBAC was
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Speaker 9: looking into Daniel Andrews, guess what happened to Iback's funding.
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Speaker 4: It went down. Isn't that funny? I think we all
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Speaker 4: know why. That's the case. Funding for the.
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Speaker 9: Organization that processes freedom of information requests, funding goes down.
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is what's happening in Victoria. It is
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Speaker 4: just so wrong.
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Speaker 9: But there's hope. We've only got three months till an election.
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Speaker 9: We get a fresh start. We can fix the state
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Speaker 9: and that's what we've got to do. It's time to
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Speaker 9: fix this state.
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Speaker 1: Ben Carroll told me that integrity is non negotiable.
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Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, Ben Carroll's best mate, good May is heading
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Speaker 9: the Education Department as secretary, who was a key figure
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Speaker 9: in last week's Iback report. Ben Carroll hasn't sacked his
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Speaker 9: good mate, has he? You know, his planning minister made
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Speaker 9: a decision in relation to her property to exempt herself
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Speaker 9: from an activity center on the other side of the road,
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Speaker 9: broke the ministerial code of conduct. She's still in her job.
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Speaker 9: I tell you what, integrity is seriously optional in this
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Speaker 9: government and under Ben Carroll nothing has changed. And I
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Speaker 9: feel certain now that Victorians know it. You can feel
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Speaker 9: it in Victoria when you talk to people. Labor hope
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Speaker 9: that if they changed the name at the top that
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Speaker 9: suddenly Victorians would be tricked. Well, Victorians aren't being tricked.
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Speaker 9: Victorians know that this labor government's rotten. The corruption is
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Speaker 9: at the core of what's going on in this state government.
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Speaker 4: And it is time for change.
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Speaker 1: Just quickly, before you go, how do you spend six
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars on coffee machines and coffee beans, which
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Speaker 1: is one government department apparently has.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and a couple of million on pop plants. You know,
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Speaker 4: when you pay you I shouldn't laugh.
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Speaker 1: Really, I should know it's yours describe.
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Speaker 4: Money, isn't it, Steve?
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Speaker 9: You know, I think Victorians are looking on and I
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Speaker 9: keep saying this to Ben Carroll. I keep saying it
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Speaker 9: to the labor ministers. Every dollar the government gets in
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Speaker 9: its coffers was first earned by a taxpayer through blood,
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Speaker 9: sweat and tears, right like, I mean people have paid
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Speaker 9: tax after working hard to get that money. And I
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Speaker 9: mean people's blood is boiling now in Victoria. They're seeing
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Speaker 9: money being wasted on pop plans, coffee. I mean it
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Speaker 9: is app well, fifteen billion dollars of corruption. Let's not
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Speaker 9: forget that little figure. Victorians have had enough. It's time
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Speaker 9: for change. We've got to get financially responsible. We've got
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Speaker 9: to have some respect for taxpayers money. We've got a
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Speaker 9: clean up corruption, and we've got to stop the crime.
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Speaker 9: And we can do all that in three months.
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Speaker 1: All right, good on you. Good to see you again,
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Speaker 1: James Newberry. There. That election of course is done now
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Speaker 1: three and a half months away. I want to talk
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Speaker 1: federally now about the Albanezy government. This idea that they're
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Speaker 1: going to overhaul gambling and gambling and advertising. I mean
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Speaker 1: it's raising some pretty serious concerns across the racing industry,
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Speaker 1: warnings that the reforms could put country race clubs under
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Speaker 1: enormous financial pressure, if not even make them collapse. Here
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Speaker 1: was the Prime Minister this morning talking about the gambling reforms.
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Speaker 10: It's a personal view on inducements as a tool for
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Speaker 10: the gambling industry to keep people betting.
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Speaker 7: That they're on the top and they need to be
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Speaker 7: wounded back. That in particular, some of the inducements that
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Speaker 7: will encourage people into the system just.
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Speaker 1: Not on Aaron Morrison's The Chief Executive Racing Victorian joins me. Now, Aaron,
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Speaker 1: good to see you out. I think we can all
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Speaker 1: agree that these reforms are aimed at providing a safeguard
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Speaker 1: to stop problem gambling, but you argue that restrictions could
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Speaker 1: actually come as a cost to the regions. That's how
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Speaker 1: that's going to impact.
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Speaker 11: Thanks Steve. Well.
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Speaker 3: Firstly, I should be clear we absolutely support harm minimization measures,
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Speaker 3: particularly around vulnerable people and minors, and we understand that
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Speaker 3: the target of the reforms is around those types.
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Speaker 11: Of people, but we want to make sure that there
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Speaker 11: are no unintended consequences for the racing industry. One of
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Speaker 11: Australia's greatest industries.
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Speaker 3: We employ over one hundred thousand full time equivalent roles.
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Speaker 11: Most of those are in regional areas.
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Speaker 3: And when you think about participants and volunteers and all
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Speaker 3: the people connected, there's hundreds of thousands of people dependent
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Speaker 3: on racing and communities that are dependent on racing. So
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Speaker 3: there's real risk for real people, real jobs, real livelihoods,
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Speaker 3: and real communities at stake here if we get this wrong.
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Speaker 11: You think about the people that enjoy a punt.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's a couple of million people each and
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Speaker 3: every week enjoying a punt responsibly within their means, and
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Speaker 3: their activity basically funds the whole ecosystem. You know, they
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Speaker 3: provide all of the funding for us, something like eighty
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Speaker 3: five ninety percent of our funding comes from wagering, and
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Speaker 3: so we're keen to make sure that there aren't any
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Speaker 3: unintended consequences as these reforms come through for us.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we all support widely the need for
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Speaker 1: action on problem gamblers, but it seems to be targeted
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Speaker 1: at particular aspects of gambling. I mean, if I'm not mistaken,
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Speaker 1: the biggest problem gambling problem in the country is poker machines.
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Speaker 1: No one's even talking about pokeo machine reform.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, and it's a shape.
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Speaker 3: But that's the case, Steve like, we would represent less
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Speaker 3: than ten percent of all gambling losses and problem gambling
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Speaker 3: incidents is very minor on wagering. As I said before,
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Speaker 3: most people enjoy a punt. They enjoy the skill and
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Speaker 3: the thrill of doing the form and studying the form,
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Speaker 3: and they do so and brings great enjoyment to millions
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Speaker 3: of people who enjoy that pastime responsibly and have done
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Speaker 3: so for many generations. So I think there's a focus
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Speaker 3: here that threatens to be too broad. I heard the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister before speaking about inducements, you know, in that
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Speaker 3: particular terminology, I think refers to inducements to get people
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Speaker 3: to come into the ecosystem, and they're potentially already banned,
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Speaker 3: and there's an existing framework that should be being enforced to.
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Speaker 11: Stop some of that undesirable behavior.
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Speaker 3: But you know, we shouldn't be stopping what I would
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Speaker 3: consider general customer promotions that are a reasonable part of
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Speaker 3: any retail offering wagering. Otherwise, bonus bets, money back, specials,
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Speaker 3: guaranteed odds, that's all part of a normal sort of
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Speaker 3: consumer value added promotion. So you know, let's make sure
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Speaker 3: that the blokes in the pubs on a Saturday don't
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Speaker 3: have their normal bonus bets taken away and diminish the
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Speaker 3: enjoyment of a product that they've enjoyed safely for many years.
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Speaker 1: Talking to Aaron Morrison from Racing Victoria, I think you've
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Speaker 1: put some figures on. You know, we could see thirty
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Speaker 1: percent of turnover in the sport taken away if these
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Speaker 1: reforms are too strict. What would that do to those
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Speaker 1: country racing clubs that you talk about, which I think
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Speaker 1: if you look at it, Australians around the country have
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Speaker 1: a great deal of love. There's a sort of romantic
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Speaker 1: history to many of these country racing clubs and it
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Speaker 1: would be a dreadful change to our country if they
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Speaker 1: all disappear.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And there's such an important part of the culture
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Speaker 3: and fabric of Australian society and the country racing facilities
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Speaker 3: important community hubs and facilities and they exist only with
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Speaker 3: funding from racing authorities like us.
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Speaker 11: And we get all of our.
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Speaker 3: Revenue from wagering through product fees and taxes. We put
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Speaker 3: on the show and deliver the funding to those regional communities,
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Speaker 3: and they would be at risk if we saw a
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Speaker 3: funding reduction in the magnitude of thirty percent. We don't
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Speaker 3: have an alternative source of income just sitting on the sidelines.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: Any industry that's impacted to that magnitude would have to
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Speaker 3: make some really tough decisions and they could be the
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Speaker 3: first at risk, and that would be a real shame.
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Speaker 3: They would be an unintended consequence I think of bad
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Speaker 3: policy decisions.
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Speaker 1: The winter ball sports, Rugby League and AFL in particular
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Speaker 1: very good at lobbying politicians. Is the racing industry being
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Speaker 1: listened to as well as to what this would do?
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Speaker 1: And remind me again about how many people racing employ
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Speaker 1: in this country.
21:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, well over one hundred thousand full time equivalents, but
21:49
Speaker 3: in terms of people roles, volunteers, participants, it's in the
21:53
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands. So it's a very meaningful industry, one
21:56
Speaker 3: of the biggest industries in the state.
22:00
Speaker 11: Very actively speaking with government.
22:02
Speaker 3: We're looking for differential treatment as the bill is progressed.
22:06
Speaker 3: It needs to recognize racing sort of unique differences from sports.
22:10
Speaker 11: You talked about the ball sports before.
22:14
Speaker 3: And with sport in general, wagerings relatively incidental as part
22:19
Speaker 3: of the experience of watching sports. Wagerings not fundamental in
22:24
Speaker 3: the same way that it is for racing.
22:26
Speaker 11: It's part of the same product. It's actually inseparable.
22:29
Speaker 1: You know.
22:29
Speaker 3: People engage with racing with the full expectation of receiving
22:34
Speaker 3: wagering offers and ads, and that needs to be acknowledged
22:38
Speaker 3: and we need a differential treatment through the passage of
22:41
Speaker 3: this bill.
22:44
Speaker 1: Aaron, good luck, we'll talk again. I agree with you.
22:47
Speaker 1: The racing industry needs to be looked after all. Right,
22:49
Speaker 1: coming up after the break the smoke and mirror tactics
22:53
Speaker 1: by federal labor, I mean revelations at wake times the
22:56
Speaker 1: residential age care continue to blow out. The shadow helps me.
23:00
Speaker 1: Mister ann Rusten will join us on the program next
23:11
Speaker 1: welcome back to the Price with you in a moment
23:13
Speaker 1: we will discuss those age care bed wait times. It
23:16
Speaker 1: is something that every Australian should be concerned about, because
23:19
Speaker 1: one day you're going to have to deal with it.
23:21
Speaker 1: The big news today, though I mentioned at top of
23:23
Speaker 1: the program, the Victorian Premier just Senter Alan announced she
23:26
Speaker 1: will not contest her seat of Bendigo East at the
23:30
Speaker 1: state election, which is coming in November, and has been
23:33
Speaker 1: reported this afternoon she's actually going to head off overseas,
23:36
Speaker 1: which is a little surprising. But what was not surprising
23:40
Speaker 1: is the fact that she is going to jump. It's
23:43
Speaker 1: a bit of a disappointment for her biggest critics, who
23:45
Speaker 1: had probably hoped to boot her out from that seat
23:48
Speaker 1: in an election, also disappointed. I suspect the Nationals candidate
23:52
Speaker 1: for Bendigo, Andrew Leslane, good to see you again. Andrew
23:57
Speaker 1: wanted to take her on. Then you wanted to have
24:00
Speaker 1: a fight, fight it out to the end and beat it.
24:03
Speaker 10: Oh look, I think I did, but I you know,
24:04
Speaker 10: the challenge of obviously taking on the premiere was a
24:07
Speaker 10: huge task. But I guess with the federal swing we had,
24:11
Speaker 10: we had the momentum and we probably enjoyed the support
24:14
Speaker 10: we were created from that federal seat, So it was
24:18
Speaker 10: just something whether she was there or not.
24:20
Speaker 5: My focus was purely on winning the seat.
24:22
Speaker 10: Of Bendigo because for us to get a change of
24:23
Speaker 10: government that that seat's pretty important.
24:27
Speaker 1: I presume Jacinda's not having her farewell drinks at your
24:30
Speaker 1: pub tonight. That'd be fair to say.
24:33
Speaker 10: Very fair to say, but in saying that, I have
24:35
Speaker 10: been in business for twenty eight years in Bendigo and
24:38
Speaker 10: I don't know, honestly, don't think she stepped foot in
24:39
Speaker 10: any of my any of my venue.
24:41
Speaker 5: So I've never.
24:45
Speaker 10: Met Desinja and I've never actually had a discussion with her.
24:48
Speaker 10: I've said hello and goodbye on the polling booths and
24:50
Speaker 10: that's about it.
24:52
Speaker 1: On the way out, and she talked a lot about
24:55
Speaker 1: showing the children, the kids of Bendigo, that they could
24:58
Speaker 1: potentially become the premier. I mean, I just saw that
25:01
Speaker 1: as typical spin. I mean, those same children were robbed
25:05
Speaker 1: of the chance over Comwealth Games in Bendigo because their
25:08
Speaker 1: local member j Center Allen couldn't stand up to well,
25:10
Speaker 1: didn't want to stand up to Daniel Andrews who canceled them,
25:13
Speaker 1: and she was the Minister of the Games.
25:16
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it is definitely a lot of spin.
25:19
Speaker 10: I know we're realizing that, you know, I think she
25:21
Speaker 10: said in her first TRUCT introductive speech that she was
25:24
Speaker 10: going to look after the regions, but our regions have
25:26
Speaker 10: been left behind. And now you know that our Bendigo
25:29
Speaker 10: being the second biggest town in regional Victoria twenty five
25:31
Speaker 10: percent of us live in the.
25:32
Speaker 5: Regions, yet we get about twelve percent of the funding.
25:34
Speaker 10: So this city centric government has been letting down our
25:37
Speaker 10: regions too long.
25:38
Speaker 5: And whether she said in Bendigo or not, she's let
25:41
Speaker 5: us down. So I want to make sure I got
25:43
Speaker 5: a stronger voice for our regional towns.
25:47
Speaker 1: She also took credit for the new hospital there. I
25:49
Speaker 1: mean she was at the very pointy end of the government.
25:52
Speaker 1: She ended up being premier. She was deputy Premier and
25:55
Speaker 1: held very senior cabinet spots throughout her time. Was that
25:59
Speaker 1: fair enough that that hospital got built because of who
26:01
Speaker 1: she was as the local member.
26:04
Speaker 10: I think if you look back into history when the
26:07
Speaker 10: hospital was approved, it was a coalition government that approved it.
26:09
Speaker 5: So once again there was a little bit of spin
26:12
Speaker 5: in there, and they.
26:12
Speaker 1: Took fund at it for it. So hi funny that look,
26:16
Speaker 1: I mean, as deputy premier and premier, the government is
26:19
Speaker 1: so city focused. It's not funny. I mean all of
26:23
Speaker 1: the money and you must sit back as a resident
26:26
Speaker 1: of a large regional town and look at the waste
26:28
Speaker 1: of money on things like you know, metro training, the SRL,
26:32
Speaker 1: the suburban rail loop, that thing on the Westgate Tunnel,
26:35
Speaker 1: which no one uses. I mean, it has poured money
26:38
Speaker 1: into suburban electorates. Daniel Andrews was a genius out at
26:42
Speaker 1: Andrew because he wanted to win those suburban seats.
26:46
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I think when they came into government, you know,
26:48
Speaker 10: I think there was I think it was about a
26:49
Speaker 10: twenty billion dollar debt now towards heading towards two hundred billion,
26:53
Speaker 10: and that's eleven billion dollars a year in interest.
26:55
Speaker 5: I think when people realize.
26:56
Speaker 10: That that eleven billion dollars is not being spent on
26:59
Speaker 10: police or hospitals, or education or schools, It's being spent
27:04
Speaker 10: on interest alone. So it just goes to show that
27:06
Speaker 10: this government's so out of touch. It's certainly can't manage money.
27:10
Speaker 10: And you know, I want to make.
27:12
Speaker 5: Sure that, you know, we bring back some honesty and
27:15
Speaker 5: some you know, a.
27:15
Speaker 10: Genuine person with some transparency and accountability.
27:19
Speaker 5: In the in the seat of Bendigo East.
27:22
Speaker 1: Well. Just finally we asked the Liberals today whether they're
27:25
Speaker 1: going to stand a candidate in that seat up against you.
27:29
Speaker 1: They said, we don't know yet. What does that mean.
27:34
Speaker 5: Once again that'll be up to the liberal side.
27:35
Speaker 10: I mean, I think you know whether we don't even
27:39
Speaker 10: we'm not sure what Labour's doing.
27:40
Speaker 5: We're not sure what one nation's doing.
27:41
Speaker 10: So my focus will be purely on you know, going
27:44
Speaker 10: and meeting as many people, you know, trying to prove
27:47
Speaker 10: to people that you know, we do need change and
27:49
Speaker 10: I'm the right person for the job, and whether We've
27:50
Speaker 10: got a liberal candidate that supports us as part of
27:53
Speaker 10: the coalition. But you know, my focus will be definitely on,
27:56
Speaker 10: you know, making sure you know I can I can
27:59
Speaker 10: get over the line.
27:59
Speaker 5: So that's what I'll be targeting.
28:01
Speaker 1: Knocking on more.
28:01
Speaker 10: Doors, doing more letter box jops and doing the little
28:06
Speaker 10: things that you know at the grassroots that we really
28:08
Speaker 10: really missed out probably federally that I learned.
28:12
Speaker 1: Andrew, good to catch up again. Thank you very much, mate,
28:14
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Andrew Lettling there, the Nationals candidate for
28:18
Speaker 1: that Bendigo seat. Now I want to talk about this
28:20
Speaker 1: growing crisis in agecare. I've talked about this a lot
28:23
Speaker 1: on this program because of some personal issues with my
28:27
Speaker 1: own mother. New figures show Australians are waiting even longer
28:31
Speaker 1: to get the care they need. And Rustin is the
28:34
Speaker 1: Shadow Minister for Health and joins me now from Adelaide,
28:38
Speaker 1: my old hometown. Welcome to you. These waittime numbers, the
28:42
Speaker 1: average wait for a place in an age care home
28:45
Speaker 1: and now climbed to three hundred and fifty six days.
28:48
Speaker 1: Thousands of Australians also waiting months for support services. It
28:53
Speaker 1: seems the government's plan to help older Australians stay in
28:56
Speaker 1: their own home is in complete disarray.
29:00
Speaker 8: Look absolutely, and we saw the figures this week. And
29:03
Speaker 8: you know, the thing that probably horrified me more than
29:05
Speaker 8: anything else is that the Minister was out there crowing
29:08
Speaker 8: because there'd been a small drop in the wait times
29:11
Speaker 8: for home care packages. I mean they're still disgusting. I
29:14
Speaker 8: mean most people wait ten or twelve months to get
29:17
Speaker 8: a home care package. But because they're dropped by a
29:20
Speaker 8: few days, the Minister was out there crowing as if
29:22
Speaker 8: he'd done some great thing and older Australians were getting
29:25
Speaker 8: the care they needed when they need it. It really
29:28
Speaker 8: is a tragedy because older Australians are paying the price
29:31
Speaker 8: for the incompetence of this government in age care.
29:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw him up in question time with that
29:37
Speaker 1: answer to that Dorothy Dixon question. And Sam Ray's done
29:40
Speaker 1: an appalling job. He's been put in there, he's been
29:42
Speaker 1: given the hospital hand pass and he can't seem to
29:45
Speaker 1: sort it out. I mean the figures this week that
29:47
Speaker 1: you talk about South Australia, the Act are waiting on
29:52
Speaker 1: average three hundred and seventeen days to get an in
29:55
Speaker 1: home care package. I mean that's almost twelve months.
30:00
Speaker 8: Look it is and it is completely and utterly unacceptable.
30:03
Speaker 8: But you know, Sam raised doing a terrible job, there's
30:06
Speaker 8: no question about that. But you sort of have to
30:08
Speaker 8: have a little tiny bit of sympathy for the person
30:10
Speaker 8: who got handed the age care portfolio in a government
30:13
Speaker 8: that's declared war on older Australians. Because it's not just
30:16
Speaker 8: age care. We've seen it with the private health insurance.
30:19
Speaker 8: We've seen it through some of the tax changes that
30:21
Speaker 8: they stuffed through the Parliament in the last sitting fortnite,
30:23
Speaker 8: including capital gains tax on somebody who's just lost their wife,
30:27
Speaker 8: husband or partner. I mean, this is a government that
30:30
Speaker 8: quite clearly has declared war on older Australians and they've
30:33
Speaker 8: stuck a minister with l plates in charge of age care.
30:37
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had the daughter of a man who was
30:40
Speaker 1: in his early nineties and had been classified as urgent
30:45
Speaker 1: to get an in home care package and he died
30:48
Speaker 1: waiting for it to happen. My own mother, which I've
30:50
Speaker 1: mentioned to year before, she turns ninety two this year,
30:53
Speaker 1: wants to stay in her home. I sat down with
30:56
Speaker 1: her and had an assessment on the eighteenth of May,
30:58
Speaker 1: that's thirteen weeks ago. She was told she was assessed
31:01
Speaker 1: as eligible for a medium package. Still waiting, hasn't been
31:05
Speaker 1: told as soon as today that she's been told today
31:09
Speaker 1: it'll probably be another six months.
31:12
Speaker 8: And the Government is hiding the figures about how many
31:15
Speaker 8: older Australians are dying waiting for their care after they've
31:18
Speaker 8: been assessed as needing care and then stuck on a
31:21
Speaker 8: weight loops that goes on forever. And when you're ninety
31:24
Speaker 8: two being told that you've got to wait six nine
31:28
Speaker 8: twelve months to be able to get access to care,
31:31
Speaker 8: I mean, when you're ninety two, six nine and twelve
31:34
Speaker 8: months is a very long time.
31:37
Speaker 1: This idea that the government cooked up and Mark Butler
31:39
Speaker 1: came out and announced it just before the budget that
31:41
Speaker 1: they were going to cut off the discounts on private
31:45
Speaker 1: health insurance for Australians over the age of sixty five
31:48
Speaker 1: and over the age of seventy. That is just one
31:51
Speaker 1: of the most ridiculous pieces of reform that I've ever
31:55
Speaker 1: heard of. All that is going to do is to
31:58
Speaker 1: force people on lower income out of private health insurance
32:02
Speaker 1: back onto the public system, further crowding up the emergency
32:06
Speaker 1: departments in public hospitals.
32:09
Speaker 8: Look exactly, and I could probably speak for about three
32:11
Speaker 8: hours on all of the things that are wrong with
32:14
Speaker 8: this ill conceived policy. You know, first of all, older Australians,
32:17
Speaker 8: many of whom have paid their private health insurance for
32:20
Speaker 8: you know, ten, twenty, thirty, forty fifty years, probably never
32:23
Speaker 8: really drawn on their private health insurance, are now coming
32:26
Speaker 8: to the age when not only does it provide them
32:28
Speaker 8: with security, they're more likely to draw on it, and
32:31
Speaker 8: so they're at the coal face of this terrible decision.
32:33
Speaker 8: But the bigger piece of this puzzle is the fact
32:36
Speaker 8: that the government's claiming it's intergenerational inequity. Well, that couldn't
32:39
Speaker 8: be further from the truth, because if you force older Australians,
32:43
Speaker 8: who will draw on the health system more than younger Australians,
32:46
Speaker 8: into the public system, it's taxpayers who pay for it,
32:49
Speaker 8: and it's other Australians who are going to end up
32:52
Speaker 8: on longer wait lists for elective surgery. We want to
32:55
Speaker 8: see more ramping. We're going to see more people stranded
32:59
Speaker 8: patients in hospital at all because they won't be able
33:01
Speaker 8: to get the care that they need when they need it.
33:03
Speaker 8: So it is just the silliest policy in the whole world.
33:06
Speaker 8: And the reality is it's going to cost tax payers more,
33:08
Speaker 8: not less. The government might be able to book a
33:11
Speaker 8: saving on the federal budget, but the state budgets will
33:14
Speaker 8: actually pay more in terms of cost additional costs than
33:17
Speaker 8: the savings that have been booked to the federal budget.
33:19
Speaker 8: So it is just it is the silliest policy on
33:21
Speaker 8: every level, but the government's doubling down on it. So
33:24
Speaker 8: we hope that we'll convince the cross Bench and the
33:26
Speaker 8: Greens about how bad this policy is and maybe they'll
33:29
Speaker 8: vote it down with us.
33:32
Speaker 1: Or they'd be a disgrace if they didn't. There can
33:34
Speaker 1: be nothing more stressful than putting an elderly person who's
33:38
Speaker 1: desperately hanging on to their private health insurance because they
33:41
Speaker 1: want access to the system when they need a hip replacement.
33:45
Speaker 1: On the urgent dental work you put them through that stress,
33:49
Speaker 1: and they're going to start dropping things that they would
33:52
Speaker 1: otherwise treasure. They'll stop eating, people will stop eating to
33:57
Speaker 1: keep their private health insurance, so they'll go without a meal,
34:00
Speaker 1: or they'll turn the lights off in the house. I mean,
34:02
Speaker 1: this is just why does this government believe it has
34:06
Speaker 1: to attack older Australians who paid their way all their lives.
34:11
Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's a very good question and we should
34:13
Speaker 8: be asking the government that. But when we asked in estimates,
34:16
Speaker 8: this government is actually relying on the fact that older
34:19
Speaker 8: Australians will be so distressed and so anxious about their
34:23
Speaker 8: private health insurance that they will try and keep it
34:26
Speaker 8: by any means possible. And that could mean don't turn
34:29
Speaker 8: the heater on in winter, don't turn the air conditioner
34:31
Speaker 8: on in summer, don't go out for that meal that
34:34
Speaker 8: keeps them connected to the community. I mean, it is
34:36
Speaker 8: just incredible that a government would actually rely on the
34:40
Speaker 8: anxiety of older Australians not dropping their private health insurance
34:44
Speaker 8: so that they can actually take the money away from them.
34:48
Speaker 8: I mean, this government has got a lot of explaining
34:50
Speaker 8: to do about why it is constantly attacking older Australians
34:54
Speaker 8: as I said, it's not just this private health insurance piece,
34:57
Speaker 8: it's across the board. This government appears to declare war
35:00
Speaker 8: on older Australians.
35:02
Speaker 1: We'll watch the passage of that bill with great interest.
35:04
Speaker 1: Dan Russen, thank you very much for joining us from
35:06
Speaker 1: Adelaide tonight. Welcome back to the Price with you Row
35:13
Speaker 1: and Dean coming up at the top of the hour.
35:14
Speaker 1: I want to turn attention to the concerns about the
35:17
Speaker 1: housing market. I mean Labour's tax changes in that budget,
35:20
Speaker 1: high interest rates, smashing confidence right around the country. I
35:23
Speaker 1: mean we were on the brink here of a housing
35:26
Speaker 1: price collapse. Some senior economists say that the property slump
35:29
Speaker 1: of more than fifteen percent could actually trigger a recession.
35:33
Speaker 1: Others say we're already in one. It feels like it,
35:35
Speaker 1: doesn't it. Fred An not regular. Former Queensland Premier Campbell
35:39
Speaker 1: Newman joins, it's great to see you again, Campbell. I'll
35:41
Speaker 1: get to the property market in a moment. But you
35:44
Speaker 1: were a premier of one of the states outside the
35:46
Speaker 1: two big states in New South Wales and Victoria. I
35:49
Speaker 1: want to know what you made of the WA premier's
35:52
Speaker 1: comments about the Eastern states earlier today. Have a look
35:56
Speaker 1: at Premier Cook and what he has to say. It's
36:00
Speaker 1: a sign that these East Coast clowns simply do not
36:05
Speaker 1: understand Western Australia. I tried to do some work on
36:11
Speaker 1: radio in WA one time and I made a dreadful
36:14
Speaker 1: mistake and I regretted it ever since by replacing someone.
36:19
Speaker 1: And they all said behind my back, this blake's from Melbourne.
36:22
Speaker 1: He wouldn't know what he's doing. New Queenslanders and the
36:25
Speaker 1: West Australians and my family in South Australia, they think
36:28
Speaker 1: Victoria and New South Wales are another nation.
36:33
Speaker 12: They have what we do, particularly Victoria these days. Sorry mate,
36:39
Speaker 12: but look I went through the Army training years ago
36:42
Speaker 12: with quite a vibrant group of young WA guys and
36:49
Speaker 12: I learned at a very early age that WA's got
36:53
Speaker 12: the best beaches, the best pubs, the greatest girls, you
36:57
Speaker 12: name it.
36:58
Speaker 1: It's fantastic.
37:00
Speaker 12: Good on them, and they do tend to get a
37:03
Speaker 12: bad deal on the GSD and that's why I think
37:06
Speaker 12: they're right to carry on about the need for the
37:10
Speaker 12: underpinning of that money coming back to them. I support
37:13
Speaker 12: them on that.
37:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, my sister runs a business in WA has so
37:17
Speaker 1: for about forty years. She thinks we're all common criminals
37:21
Speaker 1: on this side of the country. I want to talk
37:23
Speaker 1: real estate and how surprises and what's going on in
37:26
Speaker 1: the real estate market. You have business in a property,
37:30
Speaker 1: how bad is it out there? And how much of
37:32
Speaker 1: an impact has these capital gains, tax changes and negative
37:37
Speaker 1: gearing changes had on the market.
37:42
Speaker 12: Steve, It's very clear that it's the government's budget and
37:45
Speaker 12: their tax changes that have done this. It hasn't happened
37:49
Speaker 12: for any other reason. They have put a wrecking ball
37:53
Speaker 12: through the residential property market and it's really quite disturbing
37:57
Speaker 12: to see the PM and ministers sort of sweep this away.
38:02
Speaker 12: Though it doesn't matter, it does matter. We know that
38:05
Speaker 12: for almost all Austrains, the single most important asset that
38:09
Speaker 12: they'll ever own is their own home. There are people
38:12
Speaker 12: out there who have bought in only the last year
38:15
Speaker 12: or two, particularly young people, young couples for example, who
38:19
Speaker 12: now are underwater. In other words, they own more than
38:21
Speaker 12: the property is worth. That is no laughing matter, and
38:25
Speaker 12: that ultimately has repercussions. I mean, banks do have covenants
38:30
Speaker 12: on loans that they require people to have a loan
38:34
Speaker 12: valuation ratio that doesn't rise above a certain level, and
38:39
Speaker 12: the banks will be looking, well, how do we manage this?
38:43
Speaker 12: That is quite different from people's ability to pay the interest,
38:47
Speaker 12: So you know, it's not a good thing. The economists
38:49
Speaker 12: are saying that it can lead to recession because it's
38:53
Speaker 12: what they call the wealth The wealth effect applies when
38:56
Speaker 12: prices are going backwards, people feel that they have to
39:00
Speaker 12: pull in their belts, they stop spending, they can serve
39:02
Speaker 12: their cash, and that then has a ripple efflect or
39:06
Speaker 12: perhaps the title wide effect through the economy. So it's
39:09
Speaker 12: quite serious, and you know the government have caused this problem.
39:15
Speaker 1: Look, the political connivance in all of this is really annoying.
39:19
Speaker 1: I said this on Shari the other night. If there
39:22
Speaker 1: had been an election coming up, you know, this year,
39:26
Speaker 1: they would no more have done that in the budget
39:28
Speaker 1: than whistle Dixie. I mean, because the election is two
39:31
Speaker 1: years away, they somehow have convinced themselves and Treasure is
39:34
Speaker 1: convinced them, Oh, you can do it now because you
39:36
Speaker 1: won't have to in two years time find an election.
39:39
Speaker 1: Knowing that you smash the value of someone's house.
39:45
Speaker 12: That perhaps is the way that I am thinking that
39:47
Speaker 12: really where they're heading now is that they could well,
39:49
Speaker 12: be a labor government trying to get re elected, hopefully
39:54
Speaker 12: the tail end of a downturn, the first downturn over
40:00
Speaker 12: thirty years. Try get pardon me, try getting re elected
40:06
Speaker 12: when you have presided over the creation of a recession.
40:10
Speaker 12: Jim Charmers and Anthony Albanese, I mean, that's really where
40:13
Speaker 12: they're going. So you know, it's quite extraordinary that they
40:18
Speaker 12: want to sort of reconsider what they've done. A Peter Badie,
40:22
Speaker 12: for example, would have been backtracking by now and apologizing
40:26
Speaker 12: and reversing policy.
40:29
Speaker 1: Matt Canavan today, just before you go, is calling for
40:32
Speaker 1: a full udit of more than four thousand international treaties
40:35
Speaker 1: which we're signed up to. What comes out of that,
40:39
Speaker 1: for me is what we're signing up to four thousand treaties?
40:43
Speaker 1: Surely not.
40:46
Speaker 12: Look, there are a myriad of treaties that we've never
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Speaker 12: heard of. And what that means, just to explain to people,
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Speaker 12: is that you have, for example, a treaty that might
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Speaker 12: be to do with the environment, and that then means
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Speaker 12: that the federal government can create federal vironmental legislation, as
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Speaker 12: they did back around nineteen ninety seven, which then sort
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Speaker 12: of says, well, we signed that international treaty. Therefore, under
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Speaker 12: the COMMW External Affairs Power, we're allowed then to create
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Speaker 12: legislation that overrides the States and has an environmental power
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Speaker 12: that allows them to then dictate what goes on across
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Speaker 12: Australia in a way that the founding fathers never never
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Speaker 12: actually envisaged. And so that means we've got some terrible legislation.
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Speaker 12: Environmental legislation in this country stops progress, It stops development,
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Speaker 12: the economic development of Australia. That's just one example. There
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Speaker 12: are so many more. I mean, you know, affecting finance,
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Speaker 12: the economy, social affairs, human rights. There's all sorts of things.
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Speaker 12: And I think it's a really good suggestion Onavan.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what I must do is get a list of that.
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Speaker 1: I'd be fascinating to read through the four thousand campbeller.
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Speaker 1: It was good to see him, my friend. I'll see
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Speaker 1: you next Friday night.