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JT Tuimoloau Returning To Ohio State For 2024 · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Hello, and welcome to a very special live episode. It seems like we're
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  all we're doing is live episodes these days of the Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning Podcast for
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  Saturday, January thirteenth. I'm your host, Tom Moore. The Akron game
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  in two hundred and thirty one days, the game against Michigan in three hundred
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  and twenty two days. And as I said earlier, we just do live
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  episodes because just news continues to break right around the time we're going to record
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  these episodes, and it's like, well, let's just get it out now,
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  no need to wait. Tony Gerder Minute bucke Huddle dot Com joins me
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  today and Tony the news this time is J T. Twoey Moloow, returning
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  for his fourth season. Former five star defensive end, multi year starter for
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  the Buckeyes at defensive end. Boy, the Ohio State team, the Ohio
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  State collective, the Ohio State brotherhood, whatever you want to associate, whatever
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  you want to credit for all of this. It sure seems like things are
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  working and the mood around Ohio State football is real, real different than it
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  was two weeks ago. I don't even know what you're referring to. Two
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  weeks ago, Tom, the only thing going on right now is everything is
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  great and sunny, even in the sleet in the reign of Columbus Ohio.
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  Right now, as the two PM has hours now become like the returning hour
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  for Ohio State Buckeye juniors and JT. Twey Molowow a twenty eight career starts
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  coming back to Ohio State, joining just about everybody else to this point.
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  And yeah, it would be impossible for Buckeye fans not to be excited about
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  the continued developments, especially what you know, not just what it means now,
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  but obviously what it's going to mean next season for the Buckeyes. And
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  what it's going to mean for the Buckeyes next season is, boy, they've
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  got a veteran defensive line returning in a year when it looked like they might
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  not have any defensive line starters returning. The four members of the Ohio State
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  twenty twenty one defensive line recruiting class JT. Tooey, Molowell and Jack Sawyer
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  on the edges, Klick Williams Mike Hall on the interior. That was a
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  class that at the time everyone was extremely excited about. Tons of talent.
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  Boy, these four guys coming in all together. The downside of that is,
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  well, after the third year typically a lot of those guys tend to
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  turn to turn pro. And even going back to mid December, I was
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  thinking, boy, if they just got two of these guys back, that
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  would be you know, probably a really big win compared to how this could
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  go for them. Now they've got three of them back. Mike hal the
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  only one who ended up turning pro, Ian Marvin Harrison the only underclassmen so
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  far who have announced they're going to turn pro. We're still waiting on word
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  from Trevon Henderson. But man, among the defense, this is Ohio State
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  has had a lot of talented defensive lines. But to have three of these
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  guys back for their fourth year, plus Ty Hamilton, who was another guy
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  who you know was not in that same class, but it was someone who
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  could have theoretically turned pro. He's coming back as well. Plus you've got
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  some talented guys behind them. Boy, that that is going to be a
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  defensive line to be reckoned with this fall and getting Tyleek Williams back was huge.
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  Ty Hamilton has thirteen career starts compared to Tyler Williams twelve to give you
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  an idea that Ty Hamilton is almost the forgotten guy, but started I think
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  seven games at No. Stackle for the Buckeyes this year. And to get
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  those three, the three juniors in particular, especially with the way Jack Sawyer
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  finished the season three sacks against Missouri and the Cotton Bowl really look like not
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  unlike J T. Twoe Mollowa in twenty twenty two against Penn State where they
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  have their defining games, and so that potential is always there, and you
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  know, to get these three guys back, and then also Ty Hamilton announcing
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  his return as well. Those four guys, I mean, to have four
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  guys on the defensive line like that with experience with them, they've seen it
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  all, but have also experienced a lot of frustrations and heartbreak. That sort
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  of thing will fuel them. I mean, that's one of the main reasons
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  why they're all coming back is to get rid of that heartbreak. For sure.
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  I think that's something that it's easy to point to the nil, and
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  the nil maybe makes it a little more financially viable to make that decision.
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  But if they win the national championship this year, you might be ready to
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  move on now. I mean, how many times did we hear the phrase
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  unfinished business? Jack Sawyer talked about it after the Cotton Bowl, that zel
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  Burke talked about it after the Cotton Bowl. Both of those guys are back.
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  I think that that's clearly a motivational thing, and it's also I think
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  there's a little bit of a snowball effect where if you you know pure you
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  know, you'll never you know, your mother saying if someone else jumped off
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  a bridge, would you jump off a bridge? There's a certain point where
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  if all of your other teammates are sticking around, or most of your other
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  teammates are sticking around, why wouldn't you stick around? If you know,
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  then you're not the crazy person who gave it up. Then you're kind of
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  linking arms and kind of you know, linking arms and jumping off that bridge
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  together with a certain degree. But there's a certain yeah, I think,
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  I think there's a certain momentum that brings you know that they can cut factor
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  into this kind of decision too. Yeah. Well, and it's not jumping
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  off the bridge. They're all staying on the bridge and just all standing there.
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  And that's something Tyleek Williams said when we talked to him between the the
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  Michigan game and the Bowl game about his decision, and he said what his
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  teammates will be doing factors into his decision as well, because he didn't want
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  to be the only one to come back. I believe he was the first
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  one to announce you that he was coming back. But it sure seemed like
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  the way Jack Sawyer talked, the way Tyley Williams talked beforehand, like this
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  is all leading leaning this way, like there are there are conversations like as
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  of right now, and things can change, but you know, like a
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  month or so ago, like we're all coming back now. Things can change
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  between now and then. But you know, obviously the plan has continued on
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  as it was set essentially that day, and now you go into twenty twenty
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  four with not only unfinished business, but real leadership. You've got a You've
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  got also young guys behind them, and also juniors behind rising juniors behind them
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  that they're able to pass all of this stuff on and not just leave a
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  legacy in terms of the way they want to go out in twenty twenty four.
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  But how to do it? You know, how to stick around because
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  I don't think anybody expected three fourth of this defensive line class to be seeing
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  their senior seasons. No, I definitely didn't. And you know, these
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  are not guys who are passing up sixth round, seventh round draft projections.
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  These are you know, therese are guys. Some of these guys have been
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  projected in the you know, late in the first round. You're not Marvin
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  Harrison is a top five pick. Marvin Harrison has was going to go pro,
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  was always going to go pro. When you're a top five pick,
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  the coaches tell you, please go pro. It would be stupid for you
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  to come back. That's even even with whatever nil money you're going to get.
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  You're not going to raise top five pick NFL contract kind of money,
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  so it would be a little bit irresponsible to come back in that role.
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  But if you're a late first round pick, the math has changed a little
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  bit and you can you can now make a you know, bring in a
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  decent amount of money. And I'm going to hit a couple of questions here
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  that were comments here that we've gotten. One from Buckeye zero one love the
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  strategy using more money on retaining players than recruits. It feels like college football
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  is maybe remember like the NCAA basketball teams that would bring back, you know,
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  would have the veteran team and you didn't have you know, you didn't
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  have any future lottery guys, but you had like four juniors and a senior,
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  and those teams always kind of made a run in March. It feels
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  like you're sort of turning college football is turning a little bit more into that.
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  That's sort of what Michigan did. And we have a Michigan fan in
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  the comments here that I want to get to because it's actually a you know,
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  an interesting and insightful comment. We'll get there in a minute. But
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  you know, it's it feels like you're sort of seeing a little bit of
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  a shift in terms of what team construction looks like now under the new realities
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  of college football. Yeah, the NFL Draft is in Detroit this year.
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  Cleveland, No, it's it's Detroit. Yeah, And so like you know,
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  months, like this time a year ago, we're thinking there's gonna be
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  so many buck guys that are gonna have an opportunity to be first round picks,
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  and you know, you go and cover it and talk to all these
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  guys and now that's there's gonna be one guy. And I think a lot
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  of that is because of NIL in terms of I don't need to go and
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  set my family up for life right now, I can. I can stay
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  and set them up for the next year quite nicely and set myself up quite
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  nicely, and then that will be there because right now, I think on
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  CBS Sports Draft rankings, j T Twoey Moloow is the number four edge rusher
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  and like the number twenty three player listed, and I think if I look
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  at the number twenty three player last year in the draft, they signed a
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  four year, thirteen million dollar deal. So you're talking like three and a
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  half million a year. And I'm not saying that's what JT. Moloaw is
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  getting right now, but I'm saying they can. They can find a happy
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  medium, and then that three and a half to four to five to six
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  million will be there next year with another outstanding year with outstanding defensive linement all
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  around you, and this could elevate you to top ten, top fifteen pick
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  territory. You always hear about guys, and this is not specific to JT.
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  This is kind of a more broad comment on guys in the past who
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  you know, Hey, my mom lives in a bad neighborhood. I want
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  to go pro and be able to move her to a new house somewhere.
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  You can do that with nil money. There's you're not making thirty million dollars
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  in nil, but there are guys who are making a million dollars. You
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  can move your mom to a better house, or set your family up in
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  a better situation, or you know, set aside some money to put your
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  whatever cousin, younger brother through college, like all of that stuff you can
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  do with nil now. So that has really sort of changed some of the
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  dynamics of, you know, some of these decisions. And this is a
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  really interesting comment Master Toy Museum, nineteen seventy nine. As a Michigan fan,
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  I'm excited to see Ohio States players return to school. Michigan set a
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  standard and returning players to school. I hope this becomes the norm moving forward.
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  Great for the fan. I don't disagree with any of that. I
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  mean, I think Michigan sort of had the did the run it back thing
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  last year and they brought Blake Korum back, and they brought back a whole
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  bunch of you know, a whole bunch of the guys, the Mike Sainmerstill's
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  and all those guys who turned out to be real difference makers on this year's
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  Michigan team. It feels like, you know, you have the programs sort
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  of chasing the recruits and you know, throwing big, you know, throwing
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  the bag at oh I don't know, let's pick a college at random,
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  Texas A and m let's say just to just high pathetically. I don't know
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  that that model is working necessarily as much as you bring in the guys who
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  want to come in and get developed, and you develop them and then maybe
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  you can talk them into sticking around and having a veteran sort of model.
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  And you look at Georgia, you look at Alabama under Nick Saban. We'll
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  see what Alabama looks like moving forward. That's a whole separate conversation. But
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  it feels like the bring in the guys, and you know, it's not
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  like you're not going to get some nil money at Alabama or Georgia or Ohio
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  State or Michigan or whatever as a freshman. But you bring those guys in
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  and then you keep them around a little stability in college football. That's also
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  not probably a bad thing. And then you can sort of supplement through the
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  transferport Yeah, I think if you're not using the transfer portal, you're doing
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  it wrong. CC Dabosweeney there. But you also part of keeping your guys
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  is fending off other colleges as well, and I think that's where it gets
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  back to the quote unquote brotherhood. Yes, d ni L the the culture
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  that you have. And as Ryan Day will tell you, you also kind
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  of suss this out in recruiting in terms of you're you're checking all of these
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  boxes on players, who who is likely to stay through all of the drama,
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  who is likely to be swayed? And if somebody is swayed by another
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  team, if you kind of get that idea, then they're going to be
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  lower on the packing order in terms of taking them. So a lot of
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  stuff that you have to check boxes now on guys, and then this is
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  one of it. And you know how the poachability of this recruit that sort
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  of thing and the ability to keep them. And you know Michigan has done
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  it. Obviously they did it. We can go back to two thousand and
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  seven time with Mike Hart, Chad Henny and Jake long didn't go well for
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  them, what better this time for Michigan. But it wasn't too long ago
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  that Chase Winovich in the revenge tour that didn't go well for them either,
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  But this one obviously did work for Michigan. And when you look at the
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  just the experience they have and they had and knowing that they're going to be
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  losing a lot of guys, this is one of those things where we know
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  this the last time, so you kind of give everything you've got and I
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  think you'll see some of that from Ohio State this year as well. All
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  going to also have to wrap this semi soon. I have real real life
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  stuff that I will have to handle shortly. Stupid adult responsibilities. That's okay,
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  We've got about ten more minutes. I do have some more questions from
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  the audience. I do want to get through. Let's start with Buckeye zero
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  one, Ty Hamilton taking Mike hallspot, possibly Edward Houston rotating in hero Canoe.
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  I think the first thing is Edward Houston is coming in as a defensive
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  end. I'm not you know, he may grow into a three tech.
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  The other stuff I think, you know, for he may grow to a
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  three tech. I would expect him to start as an edge rusher and sort
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  of start there and maybe that changes later in his career, maybe it doesn't.
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  What about the other stuff, Ty Hamilton taking my call spot Hero Canoe?
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  Where does he fit in? What's your expectation there? Well, I'm
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  going to tell you this, Ty Hamilton doesn't think that's my call spot.
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  He thinks that's his spot. And you know, they both started seven games
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  this year. I think they started once together as well. So yeah,
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  I mean my call was Ty Hamilton has been the run based nos tackle and
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  yet he's also been very effective in the backfield this year. I think what
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  thirty eight tackles to Mike calls twenty four tackles. I believe this year something
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  like five tackles for lost two and a half for my call or something like
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  that was not a great year for my college. We've talked about in the
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  past, but they're semi different players. But Hamilton was very good this year
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  year. And yeah, and I'm with you on Edric Houston. He's a
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  defensive end for now Hero Canoe, I think they need him to be somebody.
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  I'm wondering if they separate Hero Canoe and Caden McDonald like they did Mike
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  Hall and Tyler Williams, because I think Hero Canoe Kate McDonald, one of
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  those guys is the number two nose tackle. It's just which one is it?
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  And can Taiwan alone get involved at three tech behind Tyler Williams And can
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  Cad McDonald or Hero Canoe be that that other guy? And when we talk
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  to Larry Johnson maybe in a couple of weeks, I'll say, I don't
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  know where anybody's gonna play. They're all gonna learn it all and then we'll
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  go from there like he has for ever when it comes to defensive tackles and
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  and they'll all have to play both like they're gonna learn no stackle, They're
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  gonna learn three tech that sort of thing. And then the other thing you're
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  gonna with with the defensive ends that Ohio State has now, you're going to
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  see more three four defensive end alignment in terms of like the rushman stuff where
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  you've got Cayden Curry sliding insider, j T. Twey, Moloow sliding inside
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  on passing down. So even if they don't necessarily have a third or fourth
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  defensive tackle that they love or trust right now, they're going to get away
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  with a lot of that by playing more defensive ends inside. I think,
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  yeah, they're going to see probably some different defensive alignments this year. There's
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  certainly a lot more flexibility in what you can do when you have all these
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  different pieces. You can sort of mix and match two quick things on the
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  interior before we move on to the next question. Hi Hamilton, I have
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  said this before, I will say it again. I think maybe the most
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  underappreciated Ohio State player because he just a lot like his older brother DeVaughn,
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  came in without any of the recruiting hype. He was a three star and
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  it's a local kid and you go, oh, well, you know it's
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  not the South Florida guy or it's the guy out of Texas. It's oh,
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  it's from Pickerington. He's from Pickerington and it's Threetar and isn't that nice?
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  And he's a local kid. And then he just kind of keeps contributing
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  every single year and people keep you know, he sort of gets lost to
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  the shuffle. And I'm guilty of it as well, where I do the
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  narrative of the twenty twenty one recreit in class and well Ty Hamilton was there
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  a year before that, so he's not in that twenty twenty recruiting class,
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  but he's been as everybody, as big of a contributor as all of those
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  guys. So first of all him. Second of all, you mentioned all
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  those names, did not mention Jason Moore, who I think is you know,
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  he was maybe the highest ranked of the defensive line recruits last year for
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  Ohio State and was banged up this year probably you know, probably fits in
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  that three tech mold at some point. I don't know that we even saw
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  him this year on the field, but that was I think more due to
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  injury than anything else. But that's He's another name that is someone I'm very
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  interested to see coming up this spring. Drowsey Dragon says This is like eight
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  Mike Dos guys coming back. I mean, do you remember, do you
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  remember the Mike Dos press conference after the two thousand and one season, and
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  everyone was so sure, so sure that he was going to turn pro,
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  and then he came back, and that was an Ohio State team. It
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  was also not coming off you know, exactly the greatest end to its season
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  Michigan in two thousand and one, and that was obviously not at all the
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  norm back in those days, especially to beat them in in Arbor, but
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  they had lost to South Carolina in the Outback Bowl just a couple of days
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  before that. And then Mike Doss comes back, and I don't know that
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  I was expecting Ohio State to be a national championship level team in two thousand
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  and two, but Mike Doss was a returning All American, was really the
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  heart and soul of that defense. And I mean that was a team that
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  was led by its defense, obviously. So you know, this is I
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  don't know if it's eight Mike DOS's, but boy it is. You know,
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  you're sort of you're sort of seeing this decades version of that kind of
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  return. And if I recall correctly, Mike Dawes said, I'm coming back
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  to win a national championship, and it's like you just went seven and five.
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  Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Because I don't know
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  that you're aware, but you know, I will credit Phil Steele. I
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  think he had Ohio State thirteenth to start the season the year in two thousand
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  and two, so he saw it happening obviously as well. But yeah,
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  that was a two time All American coming back. You're getting a two time
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  All Big Ten player coming back in JT. Twym Molowow. But you're getting
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  a bunch of other All Big Ten players coming back as well. We'll see
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  what with Travon Henderson does the Mecca Booka was the second team last year.
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  I think Tyler Quiams is maybe his second team this year. So there's a
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  bunch of guys that are of note for sure. And Will Howard and and
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  Will Howard. Yes, yeah, this is this is an interesting mixture of
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  Ohio State using NIL to kind of help keep some of those guys together,
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  but also they've brought in some guys through the portal as well, Quinn,
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  Shawn Judkins, Will Howard and going to guess things are business is not done
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  being transacted in the portal on the incoming basis for Ohio State, whether that's
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  this month or after spring ball. And I know if you look at the
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  portal right now, there's not a ton of names in there. I'm just
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  going to remind everyone. Once your head coach leaves, you have thirty days
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  to enter the portal. So Alabama players have another trying to remember where I
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  was to figure out what night that was. I think that was Wednesday night
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  this week Wednesday night, So they have another twenty eight days to enter the
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  portal. So there may be some more names in the portal in the next
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  month and we'll see. And then wherever Alabama hires their no head coach from
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  there may be more names from there in the portal as well, so we'll
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  keep an eye on that for you. Let's wrap up with this one from
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  Kyle best OSU defense in the past ten years. I'm gonna I'm going to
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  make you answer this question two different ways, Tony, what is the best
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  OSU defense in the past ten years? And will twenty twenty four meet or
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  exceed that standard? I think it's either twenty nineteen or twenty sixteen, And
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  let me. I'll answer this better when I know who all they're getting from
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  the portal in case on anybody else lands. But there's the potential to have
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  a secondary as good as twenty sixteen. I just even with these defensive linemen
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  coming back, I don't know that there's a Bosa and I don't think there's
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  a Chase Young. And that's what each of those two defenses had. And
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  when you have that, it makes everybody better. Now collectively, maybe this
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  group can get there and shoot this defense this year. In terms of all
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  of your analytical things, Tom was one of the best in the last ten
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  to twenty years in college football, so it probably already ranks ahead of the
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  nineteen and sixteen teams perhaps, but best of your LSU defense in the past
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  ten years potentially. But I'm not going to say that just yet. Give
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  me, give me a month, give me twenty eight days, Tom,
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  Yeah, Gully, Tony, why do you need four more weeks? I
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  don't know, could be anything. Yeah, Well, I suspect this will
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