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[Georgia] The Fire on Fawn Drive · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: To Bless This Mess and the True Crime Podcast. I'm Kara,
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  Speaker 2: here with Stu. Say hey, Stu.
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  Speaker 3: Hey.
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  Speaker 2: I just forgot what I said. I had a glitch. Man,
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  Speaker 2: I've been forgetting words here lately. I couldn't remember the word.
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  Speaker 3: Now I can't remember what it is. Wash?
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  Speaker 2: No. What was the word I was looking for? I
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  Speaker 2: can't even remember it now. This is insane. Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: kept forgetting the word apron. Remember the other day I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I want a gardening, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: what's the thing? What's the thing? I'm telling you, it's
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  Speaker 2: these children. They take your brain cells when you have them.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of like cats take your breath when you sleep.
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  Speaker 2: That's baby's breath. No. That's they steal a baby's breath.
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  Speaker 2: That's the old wives' tales, too.
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  Speaker 3: They don't steal your breath?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: They do mine. Especially when you clean their cat box
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  Speaker 3: and there's poop in there.
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  Speaker 1: Ew. And it stinks.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Stuart, we just started the podcast. Can you not?
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  Speaker 2: Can you not? There could be new listeners right now
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  Speaker 2: that just shut us off, okay?
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  Speaker 3: That's why they're here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Don't write a review based on that. You can
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  Speaker 2: end now and just go about your business. Anyway, so
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  Speaker 2: we are back today and we are heading over to Athens,
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  Speaker 2: Georgia with a classic Southern College town.
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  Speaker 1: Or.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: I know. It's late, guys.
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  Speaker 3: It's only 9 o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: I know. It's a classic Southern college town that usually
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  Speaker 2: feels peaceful, tight-knit, and full of energy, but not today. Well,
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  Speaker 2: not back in January of 2001 when the quiet community
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  Speaker 2: was shaken when smoke was spotted coming from an off-campus
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  Speaker 2: home on Fawn Drive, if you're local. Now, what firefighters discovered...
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  Speaker 2: Inside that bedroom launched one of the most stubborn, baffling
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  Speaker 2: investigations the city had ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: It took decades.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I will say that the city has ever
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  Speaker 2: seen of an individual murder because, you know, they had those. Atlanta,
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  Speaker 2: Georgia has had quite a few crazy things happen. We
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  Speaker 2: had the Atlanta child killings.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And then we also had the bomber at the, remember
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  Speaker 2: they arrested that wrong guy? Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't they?
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  Speaker 2: Threw him under the bus.
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  Speaker 3: The security guard that found the bomb.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: They were like, oh, he's. He did it.
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  Speaker 2: You smelt it, you dealt it.
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  Speaker 3: He fits on the profile of a wannabe, whatever. Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he made millions off that, but they ruined his life.
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  Speaker 2: But this is one of those cases that really bothered
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  Speaker 2: the town just based on not being able to solve it,
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  Speaker 2: taking a very long, long time to do so.
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  Speaker 3: It did. It took decades for the truth about that
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  Speaker 3: morning to finally come into focus. But before we get
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  Speaker 3: into the police reports and details.
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  Speaker 2: Drink.
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  Speaker 3: Kara has a few quick porch notes.
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  Speaker 3: Did you?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I went to Scotland.
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  Speaker 3: Without me, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, grab your mason jar and let's get into
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  Speaker 2: today's episode.
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  Speaker 3: On the morning of Friday, January 19th, Cara, 2001, it
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  Speaker 3: was overcast and it was a cold day in Athens, Georgia,
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  Speaker 3: with morning temperatures hovering right around freezing. Shortly before 1130
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  Speaker 3: in the morning, dispatchers at the Athens-Clarke County 911 Communication
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  Speaker 3: Center received a call from an individual reporting smoke rising
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  Speaker 3: from a home at 160 Fawn Drive. Now, this is
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  Speaker 3: on the east side of Athens, just off Lexington Road,
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  Speaker 3: if you know where we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: If you're local.
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  Speaker 3: If you're local.
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  Speaker 2: We always like to throw in the roads. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you never know. Sometimes we get there and we're like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God, I live right around the corner from there.
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  Speaker 3: That really happened?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's a quiet residential street, or was, made up of
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  Speaker 3: small ranch-style homes and duplexes with large pine trees and
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  Speaker 3: open front yards.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if I had to pick one of my
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  Speaker 2: least favorite styles of homes, I'm sorry, but it's... The ranch?
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  Speaker 2: The ranch style.
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  Speaker 3: I just.
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  Speaker 2: Not my, I grew up in a ranch style home.
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  Speaker 2: That's the really long ones, right? Really long, kind of
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  Speaker 2: a flatter roof. Not flat, but like real low angle.
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  Speaker 3: Not as much slope to it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're real long because they're never like two stories,
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  Speaker 2: but you might get the similar square footage. I just
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  Speaker 2: don't like that style, you know? It's just not my thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's your cup of tomatoes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like ranch style beans either, so.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: What? There's something with the ranch style.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of like my ranch beans. In 2001, it
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  Speaker 3: was an area that was populated by a mix of
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  Speaker 3: working class residents and graduate students looking for affordable rent
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  Speaker 3: a few miles away from the main University of Georgia campus.
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  Speaker 2: Go Bulldogs! Is that what they are?
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  Speaker 3: I think so.
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  Speaker 2: The Georgia Bulldogs?
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  Speaker 3: It was far enough from downtown to avoid the noise,
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  Speaker 3: but close enough that a student could make an 8 a.m.
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  Speaker 3: class in 10 minutes. I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is nice. Parking's a bitch in college, let
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  Speaker 2: me tell you.
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  Speaker 3: It gets tricky.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: From what I understand.
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  Speaker 2: You know how many times in college I just chose
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  Speaker 2: not to go to class because the parking was tricky?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, and then they wouldn't get, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: remember my first time I graduated, the school wouldn't release
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  Speaker 2: my diploma or my transcripts for me to get a
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  Speaker 2: job because I had unpaid parking fines. Remember?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's how they get you.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I had to pay for them, and I was
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  Speaker 2: working at the school. I had gotten a job at
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  Speaker 2: the school before. At the time, too, right after I graduated,
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  Speaker 2: like a, not an internship, but like a summer job
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  Speaker 2: or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Lacky work.
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  Speaker 2: And anyway, so then when I went to go get
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  Speaker 2: like a big girl job, I had to pay my
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  Speaker 2: parking fines to finally get my diploma released.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it hurt your heart, too. It did.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, parking is just like, it's already hard enough
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  Speaker 2: to go to college. We're just now learning to be adults.
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  Speaker 2: And then you got to throw parking in there. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: being able to walk to class would be....
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  Speaker 3: Just living in the dorms.
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  Speaker 2: Alright, so the initial dispatch went out to the Athens-Clarke
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  Speaker 2: County Fire Rescue Station 5. So they load up and
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  Speaker 2: they head on over to the scene. And there is
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  Speaker 2: smoke just pushing out everywhere across the roof line. and
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  Speaker 2: then over the kind of the corner of the house
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  Speaker 2: so it kind of appears that maybe that's where the
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  Speaker 2: the fire is so they gear up and they bust
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  Speaker 2: down the doors heading into the home well inside the
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  Speaker 2: bedroom they make their way inside the bedroom visibility was
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  Speaker 2: very low from all the smoke crews quickly knocked down
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  Speaker 2: the flames burning across the bed And they were able
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  Speaker 2: to pop the window open to clear some of the
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  Speaker 2: smoke out of there. Now, as the room cleared, though,
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  Speaker 2: and that fresh air is coming in, they can have
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  Speaker 2: visibility again. They quickly realize this is not a standard
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  Speaker 2: house fire. On the floor between the bed and the wall,
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  Speaker 2: they found the body of 23-year-old Tara Louise Baker.
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  Speaker 3: And messy, messy. And many residential fire calls.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very famous soccer player. Or messy.
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  Speaker 3: Messy, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: First responders hoped that an occupant was simply overcome by
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  Speaker 3: smoke before they could get outside, but as soon as
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  Speaker 3: the crews stepped closer, it was unmistakable that Tara had
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  Speaker 3: died as a result of a violent attack before any
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  Speaker 3: fire had ever started. She had suffered blunt force trauma
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  Speaker 3: to her head, multiple deep stab wounds to her neck
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  Speaker 3: and upper chest, and ligature marks indicating strangulation. Her hands
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  Speaker 3: and forearms had also showed cuts and bruises consistent with
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  Speaker 3: defensive wounds, showing that she had fought back against her attacker.
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  Speaker 2: That discovery immediately turned the property into a sealed homicide scene.
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  Speaker 2: So they're having to block this place off now. Police
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  Speaker 2: detectives and arson investigators were called in right away. Now
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  Speaker 2: looking at the room, arson investigators verified that this was
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  Speaker 2: an intentional fire. Someone had poured a liquid accelerant across
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  Speaker 2: the bedding and the carpet and lit multiple ignition points
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  Speaker 2: to try to burn the crime scene down and destroy evidence.
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  Speaker 3: But because the doors and windows were closed, the fire
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  Speaker 3: didn't have enough oxygen to turn into a full-blown inferno.
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  Speaker 2: Classic mistake. You've got to have the triangle. You've got
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  Speaker 2: to have the triangle.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to have fuel and air and spark.
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  Speaker 2: Someone did not go to their Boy Scout Girl Scouts
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  Speaker 2: or just Boy Scout Girl Scouts. You learned about the triangle,
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  Speaker 2: how to start a fire.
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  Speaker 3: And keep it going. Instead, it smoldered and it filled
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  Speaker 3: the room with heavy soot. Ironically, that soot settled over
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  Speaker 3: everything and actually helped shield biological traces on the floor
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  Speaker 3: and bedding from being burned away. Preserving evidence detectives would
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  Speaker 3: end up needing years down the line.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so not only did they not do the fire properly,
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  Speaker 2: they actually helped preserve evidence. So let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: get into who Tara Louise Baker was. She was born
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  Speaker 2: on January 20th, 1977 in East Point, Georgia, which I
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  Speaker 2: feel like we've been through, passed through, something.
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  Speaker 3: On our way to or from somewhere?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't, I don't think it was a stop.
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  Speaker 2: It was like a, I don't know. It sounds familiar.
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  Speaker 2: And was raised in a supportive, deeply grounded family. Her parents,
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  Speaker 2: Quentin and Virginia Baker, were hardworking and devoted to their children.
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  Speaker 2: And Tara grew up along her siblings' side. And they
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  Speaker 2: had a very big emphasis on education, service, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just generally being good people. So when her life was
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  Speaker 2: taken on January 19, 2001, she was literally less than
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  Speaker 2: 24 hours from celebrating her 24th birthday. She graduated cum
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  Speaker 2: laude from Georgia Southern University, where she earned a reputation
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  Speaker 2: among her peers and professors for having a sharp mind
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  Speaker 2: and incredible work ethic. The drive led her straight to
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  Speaker 2: the University of Georgia School of Law. So she is
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  Speaker 2: a smart cookie and motivated. Cum laude, that's a big one, Stu.
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  Speaker 2: I think the only higher one is the magna cum laude.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay, I did in high school, I
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  Speaker 2: did achieve one of those. I can't remember which one,
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  Speaker 2: but by college I had, you know, parking. Parking was tricky.
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  Speaker 3: So you're just going to, oh, snobbery. I graduated one
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  Speaker 3: of those lotties.
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  Speaker 2: Well, in high school, but I don't think that counts.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think basically today you can just like,
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  Speaker 2: as long as you're still breathing, they're just like, here,
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  Speaker 2: here's a diploma.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a diploma. Well, I mean, I think one of
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  Speaker 3: my kids graduated that in middle school.
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  Speaker 2: One of your kids? Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I got a whole pile of them now.
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  Speaker 2: You got a pile of children.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: From kindergarten, middle school, first or second grade or third grade.
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  Speaker 2: If we homeschool, they can all graduate with it.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'll just give them all diplomas. I'll give
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  Speaker 3: them all stuff every day. For anyone who has gone
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  Speaker 3: through law school, not me, or watched a loved one
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  Speaker 3: tackle it, not me.
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  Speaker 2: Or me. I haven't seen anybody go through law school either.
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  Speaker 3: The first year.
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  Speaker 2: We're not running high enough circles for such things.
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  Speaker 1: No, no.
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  Speaker 3: case law every night.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: That sounds terrible.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: It does. You're just like in the case obsession so
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: that you can pull it whenever you have a case.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: And you're supposed to remember all this stuff. I know.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's like a... I don't know if I
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: could do that. I ain't got enough brain space for
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: all that.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: You barely read.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: I can barely read words that I'm supposed to know
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: on this piece of paper right here. So they're preparing,
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: they're reading pages of case law every night. They're preparing
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: for cold calls from professors and adjusting to the curve.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: But Tara wasn't just managing the stress. She was actually flourishing.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Her classmates and professors remembered her as an energetic, bright
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: presence who was always willing to share her notes, debate
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: points of law, or offer encouragement to peers who were struggling.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: That would be me. She was already working as a
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: student law clerk.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Stuart, you would have never made it into law school.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: To be up here. I could have made it. At
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: one point in time.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Like right now, I'm not motivated enough. I'll be like, no,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I ain't doing this.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny you say this about her? Every
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: time someone at work finds out I have four children
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: that are the ages that they are, they're like, wow,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: you seem to have it all together. You're smiling and
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: everything like that. It's like.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: What am I supposed to do? It's fine. It's the drugs.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Pain pills and antidepressants. And wine.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Why would you put pain pills in there? I'm not
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: on pain pills.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what you do in
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: your spare time.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: You think I'm addicted to painkillers.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: The drink is really good. Painkiller drink.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Isn't that the one with the... I don't know.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: They have them down in the Bahamas.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: That's the.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: God, no, I'm drawing a blank. Jagermeister?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: No. Painkiller is like all fruity and stuff.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: No.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: No, the painkillers we're talking about had Jagermeister in them.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I'll have to look up that recipe.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: That's not a painkiller then. A painkiller can't... We had one.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: A painkiller is from down, I think, in the Bahamas.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: They made them up someplace down there. And it's called
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: a painkiller. And it's like kind of orangish-yellow. It's a
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: fruity drink. It's real strong. And you say paink... So
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: when we go on our Disney cruise, we're going to
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: go get us a... We're going to the Bahamian cruise.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Bahamian cruise. We're going to get us a painkiller.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Are we now? And then I'll find the one with
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: the Jagermeister recipe and I'll mix you one up.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: No, I don't want Jagermeister. That sounds disgusting.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Have you ever had Jagermeister?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: I've had Jager bombs.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. There you go. We've had, that was way
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: back in the day.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Jager bombs, aren't they Red Bull and Jager? I believe. No. Yeah,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: you're not supposed to really have a bunch of those
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: because it's bad for you.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: No, Red Bull vodka.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: No, Jaeger and Red Bull.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: That's a Jaeger bomb.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bad combination, but they were good. They
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: were good. I still remember I can... It's like taste,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: you know, you get a real memory. I can still
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: see us in that bar down in... What was that
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: bar down across from the park? The... Marley's or Legend.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: That wasn't Legends. It was right across from the park,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: like Park Sansuchi and Park whatever in Lafayette. There was
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: a bar that.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: You walked right over there. Yeah, we were in a.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Whatever that was, I remember.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Yeah, it's the one that he's got
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: the multiple locations. What's the name of that?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Legends?
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Legends, yes.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: That's the Legends? No, I thought that was Marley's that
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: we were at. Is there a place called Marley's?
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, there's a Marley's. There's a Legends.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, I could have swore it was Marley's right there.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And we walked over to it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they got Marley's Sports Bar. There's Legends downtown.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, anyways, unless you're from that area, you're like, why
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: do I care? But anyways, I remember us drinking them
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: in that location many, many a year ago.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Yes. Many, many a times.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know where I was. Anyway, she was already
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: working as a student law clerk for a local attorney
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: in Athens and was volunteering in campus legal clinics. She
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: genuinely wanted to use the law to advocate for people
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: who couldn't easily afford representation.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: The timeline of Tara's final evening was reconstructed in detail
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: by investigators. On Thursday, January 18th, the night before her death,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: she spent the evening doing what dedicated first-year law students do.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: She was studying late at the law library on campus,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: getting ready for the upcoming spring term. She remained at
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: her desk until approximately 9.45 p.m. As she packed up
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: her books, a male classmate and close friend walked her
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: out to her car in the parking lot. They stood
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: by her car for a few minutes, chatting about class
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: schedules and study plans for the next morning. Tara told
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: him she was heading straight back to her rental over
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: there on Fawn Drive to get some sleep before her
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: early classes. She got into her car and drove off.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: That brief, ordinary exchange was the last confirmed sighting of
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Tara alive.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: When detectives officially took over the crime scene on Friday afternoon,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: standard procedure was to start with Tara's immediate circle. In
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: most homicides, victims know their assailant, so police systematically mapped
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: out her daily contacts. They interviewed fellow law students, professors, attorneys,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: and staff at the firm where she clerked, former boyfriends,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: casual acquaintances, and neighbors living on Fawn Drive. They collected
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: voluntary elimination fingerprints and DNA reference swabs from dozens of
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: men in her life, comparing them directly against the physical
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: evidence recovered in the bedroom.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Every single one of those individuals cooperated fully. Their alibis
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: were corroborated by phone records, receipts, and witness accounts, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: their DNA profiles were definitively ruled out. Detectives were left
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: with a completely clean victim profile. Tara had no known enemies,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: had received no threats, had no dangerous entanglements, and had
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: no disputes that could explain this level of targeted brutality.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: And that complete absence of suspects in her immediate circle
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: was what made this case so frustratingly difficult from day one.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: In typical homicide cases, investigators can follow a motive Like
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: a bad breakup, a financial dispute.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: There's usually a boyfriend involved or a husband.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Or a wife.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Because they're the ones that always... A wife.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: No. An upset wife.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: You know what? Those stories never come out because we
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: never get caught, Stu.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: That's not true. We just did one where she got
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: caught with the bulldozer and the front end loader.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, sometimes we get caught, but it's... If I recall...
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: She tried to blame her own son for that in
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: a court of law. She was quite the piece of work.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, and then the one before we did that was
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the mother's knows best where she tried to kill her son-in-law.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Okay. Those were bad examples.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: They're the exception, not the rule. The rule is we
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: get away with it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Okay. So anyway, the financial disputes, the workplace conflicts, an
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: escalating argument amongst neighbors or something. They usually have something
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: to go on, but with Tara, there was none of that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Every single avenue detectives explored led to an absolute dead end.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: It began to look increasingly like this wasn't someone from
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: her personal life, but an opportunistic stranger who slipped in
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: during the night, like Kara.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Because of the violent nature of the homicide and the fire,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the police department formally requested the assistance of the Georgia
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Bureau of Investigation. Or the GBI, if you will. Now,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the state medical examiner conducted a comprehensive autopsy, which formally
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: documented that Tara had been sexually assaulted before being manually
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: strangled and stabbed. So this was a super violent crime.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And they need to find out who did this because
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: there's no way that they stop. Now, one of the
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: most important forensic findings from the autopsy was that Tara's
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: airway showed no evidence of soot and her carbon monoxide
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: levels were completely normal. That proved conclusively that Tara had
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: stopped breathing before the fire was ignited. As she was
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: not killed by smoke, the fire was set purely as
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: an attempt to destroy evidence, but the dumbass did the opposite.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: But they still can't find him, so.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: No, they cannot. Sifting through the bedroom, GBI forensic specialists
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: recovered several items of physical evidence, including a cut electrical
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: cord from a desktop computer, that had been used during
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: the assault, clothing items, and bedding. Most importantly, forensic swabbing
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: from Tara's body yielded viable biological material containing an unknown
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: male DNA profile. Crime scene technicians carefully packaged those biological
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: swabs and sterile into sterile containers and placed them.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Sterile?
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Sterile. Sterile. Yes. What are you... Don't. You erased the deposition.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: But you're not going to go back and cut that out.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Nice. Listen, I have editing control, so when I can't
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: say a word properly, I can go back and edit
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: it out. You will remain the dumbass.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Fuck you. In your booty. Ew, still! Biological swabs in
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: the sterile, I'll just say it again just to screw
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: it up again, containers and place them into secure, climate-controlled containers.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: cold storage at the State Evidence Repository.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Which is a good thing they did that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is. They knew that the unknown profile was
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: their best shot at identifying whoever did this, but in 2001,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: forensic science was facing massive technological hurdles.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Now, at that time, the FBI's Combined DNA Index System,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: or CODIS if you will, was still in early stages.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: The national database contained only a tiny fraction of the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: profiles it holds today, and state laws governing which convicted
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: offenders were required to submit DNA samples were far more restrictive. Like,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: you ain't getting my DNA. Now it's like, you got
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: a traffic ticket?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Spit in this cup.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: You want to know your genetic history? Voluntarily spit in
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: this cup. On top of that, early DNA testing methods
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: required relatively large amounts of pristine DNA to generate a
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: complete profile. When the unknown... You're basically fucked today if
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: you do it, because they can get DNA... A little touch.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Touch DNA now.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Skin.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Now, when the unknown male DNA profile from the Fawn
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Drive scene was uploaded into the state and national databases
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: in the early 2000s, it came back with no matches.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: The offender simply was not in the system.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Over the next several years, the investigators kept grinding on
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: on this case. Detectives followed up on hundreds of tips,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: chased down reports of suspicious vehicles seen in the Eastside area,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: and re-interviewed residents along Lexington Road. They cross-referenced regional unsolved
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: assaults in Georgia, North Carolina, and Tennessee to see if
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: a traveling offender might be operating in college towns. But
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: every time, every single lead hit a wall. As the
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: years passed, the original detectives assigned to the case retired,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: transferred out, or they just passed away. The investigative binders
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: containing thousands of pages of interviews, logs, and lab reports
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: were packed into archive boxes and stored away into the
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: cold case repository.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's probably very difficult, especially if you're
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: a detective and something really bothered you and then you
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: pass away. You know, I was thinking, I was sitting
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: in a meeting at work and they had outlooks, you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: for like the next 25 years or whatever.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: And I was sitting there thinking, I probably should have
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: been paying attention to what they were saying, but I wasn't.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: So you started sidetracking, like, am I even going to
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: be here in 25 years? How long will I be here?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Will I see this? I thought there was a point
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: where I was like, I was thinking there's a point
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: where I'm going to be looking at this and be like, wow,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely going to be dead by then. So why
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: do I care? Anyways, I just, I probably should have
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: been listening to what they were talking about, but that's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: all I was thinking about it. So, yeah.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: So it's just like, Hope your boss don't listen to
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: this podcast.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't either.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Since this ain't behind the Patreon wall.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'd probably say that to his face as well.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I say some pretty crazy things at work. The one
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: lady was introducing me to a new person that came
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: into our group. And she's like, yeah, Kara's kind of crazy.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I was thinking, you don't know that half of it.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Bet you can't throw me under the bus. You can't
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: throw me under the bus like that.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay, but while the case sat cold on paper,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Tara's family refused to let her name fade away. Mind you,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: at work, I am pretty under wraps right now, Stuart.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I am not even nearly. I have not mentioned Ted
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Bundy or a serial killer yet. So every single year
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: on January 20th, her birthday, her parents, Quentin and Virginia Baker,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: along with Tara's siblings and close friends, gathered in Athens.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: They held prayer vigils, placed flowers, and stood in front
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: of local news cameras, They were just trying to keep
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: you know terror's face in the public eye that hoping
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: that one day because a lot of this comes down
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to there's cold case files all over the place where
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: they got dna and they could probably solve it but
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: it's it's honestly whoever's the squeakiest will yes getting into
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the detective's face and saying you're in the cold case
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: unit i want you to pull this back out like
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: bothering them is basically and that's unfortunate that we don't
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: have enough money just to process.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: All of the Well, you've got to have the time
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: and whatever. They've got to pull a case, and then
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: however long it takes them to work one cold case.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and there's like the time, the resources, the
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: money to send it to the lab.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: How do you pick which one? Well, that family keeps
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: calling us.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: They're bothering me. Yeah, so they made sure that incoming
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Athens police chiefs and the GBI directors knew who Tara was,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: continually asking them to pull the files and review the
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: physical evidence.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: That decade-long persistence by the Baker family, alongside other families
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: of unsolved homicide victims across Georgia, eventually triggered historic institutional reform.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: In 2023, the Georgia General Assembly introduced and passed House
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Bill 88, officially signed into law as the Coleman-Baker Act. Wow,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: having trouble here later on in the case here, Kara.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's getting late, Stu. You made a joke about 9.30,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: but here we are at 10.30.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Here we are at 11. The legislation was named jointly
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: in honor of Tara Louise Baker and Rhonda Sue Coleman,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: an 18-year-old high school senior from Hazlehurst, Georgia, who was
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: murdered in 1990 in another long, dormant, unsolved case.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Sounds like something maybe we should cover.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: You think?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe. We do the whole law base. Now, the Coleman...
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Do you understand what I'm saying? The law base, Coleman Baker.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: The Coleman Baker Act established a structured statutory process for
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: families of cold case victims across Georgia. Under the law,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: designated family members have the legal right to submit a
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: formal written request to law enforcement agencies.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I'm losing my voice. No, I've just got a frog
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: in my throat.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Shut up, Stu.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Now, I can still say that. To law enforcement agencies
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: for a comprehensive review of any homicide investigation that has
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: remained unsolved for more than three years. The statute specifically
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: mandates that agencies look at what investigative procedures that may
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: have been missed initially, assess whether forensic evidence can be
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: retested using modern technology, and re-examine witness statements. I'm sure
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: they just... I'm sure the.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: It's a good thing, but I'm sure law enforcement is like.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Oh, Jesus.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: We are going to be overwhelmed with all these cold cases.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Box up your donuts, boys. We've got to get to work.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: We've got to get going. Now, most importantly, the law
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: provided direct state funding to create staff and fund the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: GBI's official dedicated cold case unit. That's a huge thing
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: because you've got... Unfortunately, we live in a... You've got
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: to have resources and money to run anything.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Yes. This guy ain't working for free. They've got families
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: to feed.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: You have... to have the money there to do this.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: So that's a good thing that they, I think a
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: lot of times laws and things like that, or even
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: when you work in a company, they have a great plan,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: but then they forget the whole, like, we got to
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: fund it. You know, you can't just tell all these
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: investigators and stuff that, oh, you need to go work
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: like 24 hours a day on this and not, we're
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: not going to pay you. We've got to just use
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the resources to have because we created this law, but
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: they actually are putting money behind it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: So that's, that's a good thing. I was in the
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Marine Corps.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know what that means, Stuart.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: It means we usually had to tactically acquire things that
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: we wanted or needed.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: You don't know what that means?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: No.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Okay. Somebody does, and they're laughing.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: When the GBI cold case unit formally opened its doors,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Tara Baker's case file was among the very first prioritized
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: for a complete top-to-bottom reinvestigation.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Well, her name's on the bill. I mean, she's got
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: to get top priority.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Her and Ms. Coleman.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: In September 2023, GBI cold case agents pulled the original
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: evidence boxes from climate-controlled storage and submitted the biological swabs
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: to the State Crime Laboratory for advanced short-tandem repeat testing.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Modern forensic chemistry allowed technicians to extract clean, high-resolution DNA
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: profiles from older, degraded samples that earlier testing methods could
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: not fully interpret.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: The laboratory successfully developed a complete male DNA profile and
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: uploaded it back into the National CODIS database. And in
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: late April 2024, 23 years after the murder, the electronic
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: notification arrived at the GBI cold case office. The database
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: returned a direct definitive index hit. The unknown male DNA
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: recovered from the 2001 crime scene was an exact match
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: to a known offender profile already stored in the database.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: For the first time in over two decades, investigators finally
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: had an actual name. It was Edrick Lamont Faust.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Detectives immediately started digging into who this man was, and
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: it turned out that Edrick Lamont Faust was 48 years old.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: He was still living right in the Athens area. And
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: looking back at 2001, Faust was a 24-year-old at the
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: time of the murder. He had no affiliation with the
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: University of Georgia, had never set foot inside the law school,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: and shared zero mutual friends, colleagues, or acquaintances with Tara.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: He lived in a completely different neighborhood, worked irregular jobs,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: and moved through an entirely separate social circle.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: But what Faust did have was a documented and escalating
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: history of property crime, erratic conduct, and physical aggression in
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Clark County. In fact, just weeks after Tara's murder in 2001,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Faust had been involved in an unrelated, violent, aggravated assault
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: in Athens in That resulted in a felony arrest and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: subsequent prison time. Because of that felony conviction and subsequent
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: violent offenses over the intervening years, his DNA had been
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: legally collected upon conviction and entered into the state offender repository.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: For 23 years, his name had never appeared on any
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: suspect list, tip log, or interview note in Tara's file.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: But science had finally caught up with him.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: GBA.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: GBA.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: GBI agents, together with detectives from Athens-Clarke County Police Department,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: spent the next 10 days quietly verifying every detail. Drink.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: They confirmed the evidence handling logs, checked the chain of
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: custody dating back to January 19, 2001, and conducted surveillance
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: on Faust's current residence and workplace in Athens. On Thursday afternoon,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: May 9, 2024... Law enforcement moved in and arrested Faust
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: without incident near his home. He was transported to the
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Clark County Jail and formally charged on an indictment that
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: included malice murder, felony murder, rape, aggravated sodomy, and first-degree arson.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: After 23 years, 3 months, and 20 days, Tara's family
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: finally saw handcuffs placed on the man responsible for their
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: daughter's death.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. He did this and was able to
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: just go in and out of jail for years.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Years on end.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Doing bullshit, you know?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Doing God knows what.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: It's just like, at some point, it's just like, let's
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: just put him down, you know? Anyways, in February 2026,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the case of the state of Georgia versus Edric Lamont
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Faust officially opened in the Clark County Superior Court. That
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: reminds me when I said that. Remind me when we
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: do sit and sip and bullshit and We have to
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: talk about Krista Pike. No. Okay, that's all I'm going
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: to say. Yep, that's all I'm saying. That bitch. Western
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Judicial Circuit prosecutors methodically presented the evidence to an impaneled
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: jury over the course of two intense weeks. The prosecution's
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: theory of the case demonstrated that in the early morning
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: hours of Friday, January 19, 2001, Faust had entered the
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: home through an unsecured rear entry point while Tara was asleep.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Firefighters took the stand early in the trial to walk
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: the jury through the initial discovery of the fire and
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: finding Tara's body on the bedroom floor. Medical examiners followed,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: testifying to the severe blunt force trauma to her head,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: the defensive wounds across her arms, the stab wounds to
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: her neck, and the evidence of manual strangulation using the
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: cut computer printer cord. Physical evidence confirmed that Tara had
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: fought back with everything she had before being overpowered.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Now, the central anchor of the prosecution's case was the
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: forensic DNA evidence. State crime laboratory analysts and forensic specialists
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: took the stand to explain short tandem repeat testing to
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the jury. Because this is like, it is hard, I'm sure.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine having to explain? Because now when people
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: hear DNA testing, they're just like, oh, okay, yeah, that's like,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I don't need to know or understand behind it. But
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: could you imagine having to explain to the first jury
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: that you're like, we have DNA.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: This is how DNA works. Yes. This is how we
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: match it. This is how we collect it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're having to, and then I guess as
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the DNA progresses, but now even today, I feel like
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: if you just say DNA, people are going to be like,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: start tuning out and be like, okay, yeah, if they
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: say it's a match.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Back in 2024?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: No, I know. I'm saying like, no, I'm saying like today.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about referring to like, like say the Golden
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: State Killer when they had to explain familiar DNA, but
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: even then it was probably easier because people just hear
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: DNA and they're like.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's fine. I'm going to tell you. Yeah. Play
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: some Candy Crush.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Can I scroll TikTok or something? So they testified that
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: statistical probability of the DNA recovered from Tara's body matching
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: anyone other than Edric Faust was less than one in
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: several quintillion people. A number so astronomically large that it
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: represented an undeniable forensic certainty. Because a lot of times
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: it's like one in a billion.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: So you're saying there is a chance he's not the guy.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, we're saying there's a chance. The DNA was found
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: in locations and quantities that could only be explained by
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: direct personal contact during a violent physical and sexual assault.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Faust defense attorneys fought back vigorously against the state's scientific
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: evidence because why not? They focused their strategy heavily on
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: the 23-year-old gap between the crime and the arrest. Defense
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: argued the possibility of a second transfer DNA suggests that
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: storage conditions in the early 2000s might have allowed cross-contamination
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: and questioned whether the original evidence handling by early 2001
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: technicians met today's strict standards. Because, of course, they will.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, do they have... So if it had
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: to have cross-contamination... Back in 2001, then they would have
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: had to have taken his DNA in 2001 and it
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: would be sitting in the same lab. No?
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: No, they're saying they could have had the evidence boxes
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: and they just smushed DNA from one to another or something,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: cross-contaminated their evidence boxes.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm saying, but for that to happen, the DNA
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: was stored in these, the evidence was stored in these cold.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Climate, places well that's why they got to check their
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: chain of custody and all that other stuff i know
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: that but.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: For them for him to get it his dna them
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: him saying that it was contaminated in there his dna
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: would have to been in some other sample in there
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: for it to be contaminated with.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: It yes like well the dna is going to throw
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: shit to the wall yes i mean i'm surprised that
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: we're not reading where they they're like yes um oh
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: she knew she knew him and she was having a
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: secret affair and.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, but prosecutors systematically dismantled the defense's theory. They called
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: state evidence custodians to the stand with physical binders containing
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: the complete unbroken chain of custody. Every time those evidence
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: boxes had been moved, sampled, or transported over 23 years,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: it had been logged, signed, and witnessed. Forensic experts clarified
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: that transfer DNA cannot account for high-quantity concentrated male biological
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: material found directly on a victim's body. Furthermore, setting fires
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: around the room demonstrated clear consciousness of guilt and an
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: active effort to conceal the crime. Boom, motherfucker.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Boom, defense attorney. F you. He ought to know this
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: is 2024, dude.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Large quantities of DNA.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, you can't even touch anything these days.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe this guy was in his 1L year, his first
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: year of law school.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: He might have been.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: He hadn't pulled all the case law yet. After closing
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: arguments concluded, the case was turned over to the jury.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Deliberations lasted for more than 11 hours across two days
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: as jurors meticulously reviewed dozens of crime scene photographs, forensic logs,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: and timeline exhibits. On February 17, 2026, the buzzer sounded
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: in the courtroom signaling the jury had reached a decision.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: As the courtroom fell silent, the jury foreperson, Kara, read
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: the document, read the verdict.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I was the jury foreperson. Shout out.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Read the verdict. Guilty on all 12 counts, including malice murder,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: felony murder, rape, aggravated sodomy, aggravated assault, and first-degree arson.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Now, two days later, on February 19, 2026, Judge Lisa
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Lott presided over the formal sentencing hearing in a courtroom
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: filled with members of the Baker family, former law school classmates,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: and retired investigators, Judge Lott delivered the sentence. She sentenced
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Edric Lamont Faust to two consecutive life terms in prison
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: without the possibility of parole, followed by an additional 45
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: years to be served consecutively for the arson and aggravated
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: assault convictions. The ruling ensured that Faust will spend the
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: remainder of his natural life inside a Georgia maximum security
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: correctional facility.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: For Quentin and Virginia Baker, who had sat in the
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: courtroom benches, walked through legislative halls, and held annual vigils
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: for 25 years. The finality of that sentence brought a long,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: painful chapter to a formal close. The case of Tara
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Louise Baker stands as a powerful testament to what happens
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: when a grieving family refuses to be forgotten and how
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: modern forensic science, when paired with legislative dedication, can bring
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: accountability and decades after an offender thought they had gotten
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: away with murder.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: All right, well, that is the end of our case.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: So at least he was found out. Remember, guys, if
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: you murder somebody, they will find you eventually.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Not according to your thing. What? That little dinnertime crime
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: that you just did with the unknown.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, can you stop bringing up the.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Exceptions to the rules?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yes. When I say.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Something, all of a sudden, now you remember everything. You
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: can't remember anything I tell you. All of a sudden,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: you're like, remember that case you covered when you were
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: cooking stew the other day?
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I got nothing better to do than bust your chops.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so do you have... Let's lighten the mood. We
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: did throw someone behind bars this time, so that's a
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: good thing.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Do you.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Y'all need Jesus.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, I need Jesus. Are you ready? I need Jesus
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: to take the wheel because you're driving me bananas. What
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: was that sound?
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: A child. It's not a child. Stu's phone just started
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: playing Fleetwood Mac.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Or Stevie Nicks.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Stevie Nicks in the background.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Because she's a witch, Stu.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: That's what I hear.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: That's what you hear. And it's October. And so she
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: just started playing.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: She was on Coven.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, and so she just started playing. And it was
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: real muted, too. It was like it was backgrounds. We
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: couldn't tell. I thought someone said mama or whatever. It
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: was really like, where does that come from? So it
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: was just Stu's phone playing Stevie Nicks. All right, so
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: back to your y'all need Jesus.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: We need Jesus after Stevie Nicks has now entered. She's
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: here with us.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: She entered the chat.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: She has entered the chat.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: As the kids would say. New York Post coming to us,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: published September 21, 2026. From Zoe Hussain, $ 167 million Powerball
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: winner arrested for the fifth time for public intoxication.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Wait, how much?
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: $ 167 million, Kara, for public intoxication in a Walmart parking lot.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Florida or not Florida.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Florida.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: It has all the hallmarks of Florida. A $ 167 million
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Kentucky Powerball winner was arrested after he was found boozed
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: up and asleep in a sports car.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: You know, they have a whole show called The Lottery
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Ruined My Life, so.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Well, this guy sounds like his shit would probably run
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: way before it, and he's one of them people that
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have got a bunch of money. This is
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: the fifth time he's been cuffed since taking home the
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: big prize, according to reports. James Farthing was cuffed after
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: a caller reported seeing a white Ford Mustang stopped in
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: the middle of an intersection just before 3 a.m. in
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Georgetown on Sunday. The caller told dispatchers the vehicle was
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: later drove into a Walmart parking lot, according to the outlet.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Deputies arrived at the Megastore parking lot to find Farthing
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: asleep and alone in the running Mustang and had to
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: repeatedly knock on the window to wake him from a stupor.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: An arrest citation obtained by the publication revealed. The jackpot
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: winner from rural Kentucky allegedly showed several signs of impairment,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: including smelling of alcohol and marijuana, the old Mary Jane.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Bloodshot and watery eyes, slurred speech, and difficulty maintaining balance.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Farthing reportedly told deputies that a woman.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, it sounds like our two-year-old.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Yes. Drove him into the parking lot and left him there,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: but surveillance footage showed No one exited the Mustang after
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: it pulled in. The old Walmart cameras got him.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: They always get you. Don't go to a Walmart. Or
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: a Target for that matter.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: He was drunk parked in the middle of the intersection.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: None of this stuff ever happens at Target. This is
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: purely Walmart behavior. No one would do such things at
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: a Target.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: You don't think? No. He was cuffed on alcohol. I'm
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: going to look up Target stories. He was cuffed on
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: alcohol intoxication charges and booked into the Scott County Detention Center.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: This is the fifth set of criminal charges Farthing is
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: facing since winning the state's largest ever prize last year.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: How do bad people win stuff?
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Like $ 167 million too. I don't know
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: how much he took home.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: But even if you took home a third of it
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: or something after taxes and the payout, I mean, it's
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: just like, hopefully he, for his sake, hopefully he did
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: the Monthly payout and not all of it so he
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: has time to get his life together.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: No, evidently not. Evidently he didn't. He probably did a
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: lump sum. It sounds like he's got a pile of money.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: In late July, Farthing was hit with domestic violence charges
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: for allegedly strangling a woman at his home in Scott
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: County after a boating trip. He was also recently charged
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: in a hit-and-run that took place last November after allegedly
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: smashing his Corvette Carrow. into the back of another car
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: in Lexington and fleeing the scene. He was arrested this
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: February and charged. with intimidating a participant in the legal process,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: according to the outlet. He also faces charges of battery
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: on a law enforcement officer after allegedly kicking a Florida
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: deputy in the head in April 2025, just days after
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: his lotto went... I think we did this. I think
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: we covered this guy.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Did you.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think we covered him for doing something
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: in Florida.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: So he's still up to his shenanigans.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, the career criminal clinched the massive prize after buying
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Kara a $ 2 Powerball ticket from Clark's Pumpin' Shop in Georgetown,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: splitting his newfound fortune with his mom, Linda Grizzle.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, at least mom got some money.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Farthing is slated to be arraigned on public intoxication charges
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday. So while you're driving to work listening to this,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: you can think about old shithead who spent $ 2 on
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: a Powerball ticket.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I hope your commute's not this long, though, because
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: that's an hour to get to the end.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's what it is.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: So when you're going home, you can think about it
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: when you continue the podcast.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because if you're still listening this far on your
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: commute to work, you might be tempted to just run
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: into the wall or something.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: This guy has a $ 167 million Powerball.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: And you're driving an hour to work listening to us.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Ramble on.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: It's a rough... Sometimes I turn on this podcast. I've
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: been trying to check the sound at least. Because I
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: noticed that sometimes... We were trying to use an editing
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: software or whatever, but I don't like it, so I'm
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: not doing that anymore. I feel like sometimes it was
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: editing out where you were real quiet and stuff, but
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Stu doesn't always stay close to the microphone. And then,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: so I don't really notice that because I don't like to, like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like, let's see, yours looks pretty good right now,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: but we are not audio engineers whatsoever. If I die,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Stu don't know how to do any of this at all.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: I'll figure it out.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I know basic things. I know basic things on how
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: to put this out. It's all. So I do sometimes
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: listen to it and then I'm like, i laugh at
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: what we say though i'm like laughing at myself and
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: then i'm like stop karen why are you laughing at yourself.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: You did yes well i was like driving away to
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: go get your water cup and i'm like man why
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: is that stupid podcast you listen to.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Oh sister wives yeah oh yeah you know what i
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: want to watch and they were talking about i don't.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Know what they were talking about it was filthy oh
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: yeah because they were talking about some girl okay.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: We're gonna cut that out okay this is the main
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: thing Well, then.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: I realized that I got your phone out of the
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: stroller and I put it in the car. I'm like, oh. Okay, well,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: what happened.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Was they were watching. So they recap like reality shows.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: So they watched an old episode of Wife Swap, which
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I loved Wife Swap. I'm going to have to go
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: back and watch Wife Swap again. So anyways, well, they
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: were like.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Like full on swinger?
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: No, Wife Swap is a show where they take like
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: two completely different families.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: I was about to say, what are you watching this on?
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: No, it was on ABC or something.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Hornhammer.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: No, it was on ABC or something. So basically, they
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: took like, so say our neighbors across the street, they
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: would take like his wife and they would put them
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: probably in like some sort of like satanic worship. Like
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: something completely opposite. No, no.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: No.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: No, like, why do you imply we're satanic worshippers?
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: That that's no evenness.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Like like completely opposite people so they they swap the
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: wives and they go live there for a week or
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: whatever it is and then they come back and they're
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: always like so happy to see their family like i
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: missed you bob on it's like bullshit you went back
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: to your old ways there's no way a week changed
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: you anyway so they were watching this thing and so
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: they they go and like they'll kind of try to
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: look into some of the side characters on the show
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: you know maybe not the main ones like oh this
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: person had a friend or that was kind of weird
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: on the show Well, they looked up one of the
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: people that was on there and then they saw she
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: was commenting on the Instagram. So then she had like
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: a weird name. And they're like, man, that sounds like
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: an OnlyFans name. So then one of the people that
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: was in the show turned in now as an OnlyFans.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: And so while they were recording the podcast.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Which statistically is probably the wife.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't a wife. It was like a girlfriend
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: of one of the kids. Well, it's a female.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: So it was like a girlfriend of one of the
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: kids or something. I don't know. I don't know. I
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't completely the same. But anyway, so then they get
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: to the, they're like, let's look it up and see.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: So then they paid $ 30 for the OnlyFans video to
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: see what it was. And they were describing it. But
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: we're not going to describe it.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: No, we don't have $ 30. No. To go to these
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: OnlyFans pages and get multiple subscriptions just to. Call people
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: out for their foolishness.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: So anyway, so that's why you heard that.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Unless our whole podcast model shifts to we cover OnlyFans stuff.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: We subscribe to it and then describe it to you
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: on our podcast.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Well, no, one of their things is.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: And then you pay us for that.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: No, one of their things is they watch that Secret
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Lives of Mormon Wives, which is apparently like a bunch
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: of Mormon wives are on OnlyFans. So they do do
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: a deep dive on... each one of their OnlyFans, so
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: they subscribe for the month, and they, like, see what
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: they do. That was the one I explained to you.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Don't repeat what I told you. Don't repeat what I
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: told you.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Because you signed up to see it, and you showed
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: it to me?
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: No! What?
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't sign up to see anything. I was explaining
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: to you what the person on the podcast asked the
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: girl to do to see if she would do it,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: and she did it.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Anyways, so they do things like that, like, silly things
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: so all right well we're gonna end there so no
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: i wasn't listening to um dirty uh dirty talk on
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: my podcast or whatever.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: No no you could have been listening to 50 shades
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: of dragon or.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Something no that's uh no all right so that's it
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: stew do you have anything else to add no.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: He does not put enough in it i put enough
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: into this.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: All right, well, we'll be back on the sitting, sipping,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: and bullshitting this week. We were off last Friday from it,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: but we'll be back on this week, FYI, if you're
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: on the Patreon. So until then, stay safe, lock your doors,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: and keep that porch light on.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Bye, everyone.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Say bye, Stu.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: And bye, Stu. Don't you know it's.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Bad luck to be superstitious.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: But nothing else is working. And my head is really hurting.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm sick of all this worrying about things I
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: can't control.