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The Boy Who Killed His Twin: The Tragic Case of Benjamin and Meghan Elliott · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's four point four to one in
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the morning.
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Speaker 2: Right, the absolute dead of night.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. The world outside is completely dark, it's completely silent.
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Most of us at that exact hour are just wrapped
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up in the safety of our beds.
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Speaker 2: We've been sleep totally oblivious, right.
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Speaker 1: Totally oblivious. But I want you to imagine your phone
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rings or actually imagine you're the nine to one to
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one operator picking up the line at that specific moment.
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Speaker 2: Oh man, what a call to get.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because what you hear in the other end isn't
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just a typical cry for help. It's a seventeen year
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old boy and his voice is absolutely cracking. He is
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shivering with panic, right, and the very first words out
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of his mouth are I just killed my sister.
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Speaker 2: It's chilling, it really is.
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Speaker 1: And then right after that he says this phrase that
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just completely shatters the reality of the situation. He says,
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I thought it was a dream.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that right there is why the case of
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Benjamin and Megan Elliott is one of the most well
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terrifying mysteries in modern law.
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Speaker 1: Because today, for this deep dive, we are pulling from
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a massive stack of sources. I mean we've got trial transcripts,
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expert neurological testimonies, and all that extensive investigative reporting from
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CBS's forty eight Hours.
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Speaker 2: We're really looking at the bleeding edge of neuroscience here exactly.
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Speaker 1: We are trying to answer one seriously chilling question, Can
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your body actually commit murder while your mind is entirely asleep?
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Speaker 2: Right? We are unpacking the parasomnia defense, which is also
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known as the sleepwalking defense, and it forces us to
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look at the absolute darkest corners of human consciousness.
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Speaker 1: It does, and I want to set the tone right
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up front for you listening. If you are coming into
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this expecting like a traditional true crime story, Yeah, like.
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Speaker 2: Hidden insurance policies or secret double.
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Speaker 1: Wives, right, or simmering family resentments, just throw that out
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the window.
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Speaker 2: Right now, coletely, this is not that kind of story.
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Speaker 1: Now. It's a collision between a massive family tragedy, the
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actual biology of the brain, and the incredibly rigid legal
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definition of human intent.
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Speaker 2: Right Because to even begin to grasp how a seventeen
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year old kid ends up on the phone with nine
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to one one confessing to a brutal stabbing, we have
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to understand the environment where this.
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Speaker 1: All happened, we do. So we are in Katie, Texas.
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It's this sprawling, very comfortable suburb just northwest.
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Speaker 2: Of Houston, very typical middle class America exactly.
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Speaker 1: The Elliots were the kind of family you might, you know,
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pass in the grocery store and you wouldn't even think
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twice about them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. When you look at Kathy and Michael Elliott, the parents,
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you basically see a masterclass in stability.
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Speaker 1: Totally. They built this really loving, quintessential suburban life. Kathy
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was highly engaged in her career. She was a senior
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manager with the Girl Scouts of America.
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Speaker 2: Right, and Michael took on the role of the state
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home dad. He was the one managing the daily chaos
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of raising the kids, keeping the house running smoothly.
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Speaker 1: And they were a really outdoorsy family too. They spent
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their weekends camping, going on hikes.
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Speaker 2: They liked collecting survival gear, pocket knives, that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which are hobbies that are just deeply woven into
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the fabric of suburban Texas life. Honestly.
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. And they had an older daughter, Elizabeth, who
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was already out of the house and thriving.
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Speaker 1: At college, right, which leaves the twins, Benjamin and Meghan,
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seventeen years old, born.
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Speaker 2: On the exact same day. They shared that undeniable twin bond,
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but their personalities were incredibly distinct from one another.
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Speaker 1: Very distinct. Meghan had this beautiful, really sensitive soul, but
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she was definitely navigating a complex internal world.
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Speaker 2: Right. She had been diagnosed with autism as a teenager,
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and the medical records, along with family accounts, note that
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she battled severe depression.
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Speaker 1: She did, yet the months leading up to September twenty
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twenty one, they really felt like a massive turning point
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for her.
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Speaker 2: They did. She was experiencing this profound creative awakening. Megan
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was writing these deeply expressive poems, she was drawing, making art.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she even took this incredibly brave step of
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launching her own YouTube channel to showcase.
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Speaker 2: Her work, which is huge for someone with autism who
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occasionally struggled with in person social dynamics. The internet gave
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her a really safe canvas exactly.
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Speaker 1: She could curate her interactions, build a little community, and
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just find her voice. Her family noted a very tangible
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shift in her demeanor.
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Speaker 2: She was visibly happier. I mean, she and her brother
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were touring university campuses together, basically mapping out their entire
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adult lives.
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Speaker 1: And Ben was right there with her through all of it.
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Everyone in their orbit describes him as this quiet, deeply intelligent,
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kind of nerdy guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, with a very dry sense of humor.
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Speaker 1: Right, and he was mechanically inclined. He was always taking
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things apart just to see how they worked. His singular
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dream was to study mechanical engineering.
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Speaker 2: He was deep into his SAT prep too, Just a
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normal driven high school kid.
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Speaker 1: But his most defining characteristic, according to all the sources
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we looked at, wasn't his intellect at all.
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Speaker 2: No, it was his role as Megan's protector.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. They shared the same friend group, walk the same
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school hallway, and they communicated in that sort of shorthand
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language that only twins really possess, right.
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Speaker 2: But because Megan's autism sometimes made social situations overwhelming for her,
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Ben basically functioned as her buffer.
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Speaker 1: We have all these statements from family friends, people like
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Drew Whittikar, who emphasized that Ben was always running interference
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for her.
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Speaker 2: Always, if Megan felt uncomfortable at a party or a gathering,
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Ben was the one standing right by her.
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Speaker 1: Side, subtly managing the whole situation, just making sure she
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felt safe. The thought of any animosity between them was
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literally unfathomable to the people who knew.
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Speaker 2: Them, completely unfathomable. There was zero history of sibling rivalry, none,
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no hidden jealousies, no blowout teenage fights that the parents
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were desperately trying to sweep under the rug.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the neighbors told reporters they were completely blindsided. There
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were absolutely no red flags in this house.
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Speaker 2: Which makes this case feel like an impossible paradox.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, it's honestly like looking at a locked room mystery.
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Instead of the physical doors being locked from the inside
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to hide the killer, it's the perpetrator's own mind that's locked.
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Speaker 2: That is a great way to put it right.
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Speaker 1: Because if there's zero motive, zero anger, and absolutely zero
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history of violence, where does the violence physically come from?
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Speaker 2: Well, answering that requires us to really zoom in on
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the micro timeline of September twenty eighth, in those early
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morning hours of the twenty ninth.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into the timeline, because the mondaye nature
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of that Tuesday evening is almost painful to read through.
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Speaker 2: It really is Michael and Ben spent the evening just bonding.
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They were playing this video game called Survive the Nights.
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Speaker 1: It's a survival horror game, very popular with teenagers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and during this gaming session, Michael hand's been a gift.
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It's an Air Force survival.
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Speaker 1: Knife, just a normal gift in their family, totally.
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Speaker 2: Michael had recently acquired it new Ben love mechanical tools
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and outdoor gear, and just casually gave.
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Speaker 1: It to him, a completely innocuous father son moment. And
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then eventually the whole household just power down for the night.
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Speaker 2: Everyone goes to the respective bedrooms. But Ben, being a
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typical seventeen year old kid, doesn't just go right to.
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Speaker 1: Sleep, of course not. He gets into bed and immediately
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starts scrolling on his phone.
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Speaker 2: Right and the digital forensics on this point are completely airtight.
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Ben's phone registers active use.
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Speaker 1: Like swiping and tapping.
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Speaker 2: Yes, engaging with the screen right up until exactly four
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to seventeen. AM.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Wait, So if the phone goes dark at four
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point seventeen and the nine to one to one call
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is logged at four point four.
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Speaker 2: To one, we are talking about a twenty four minute.
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Speaker 1: Window a twenty four minute void where an entire family's
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universe is just destroyed.
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Speaker 2: And in those twenty four minutes, a sequence of highly
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specific physical actions takes place.
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Speaker 1: Based on the physical evidence and the fragmented memories Ben
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later provided, right.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, he gets out of his bed, He walks out
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of his room and navigates the dark hallway.
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Speaker 1: Of the house, and he enters Megan's bedroom.
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Speaker 2: Right, and in his hand is that Air Force survival
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knife his father had literally just given him hours earlier.
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Oh oh man. He turns on the light switch in
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her room. Megan is asleep in her bed. He approaches her,
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and he stabs her twice in the neck.
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Speaker 1: The autopsy reports are just devastating to read. One of
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those wounds was four inches deep.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it severed both the carotid artery and the jugular vein.
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Speaker 1: The suddenness of it is horrifying. The medical examiner even
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noted she likely didn't have time to scream.
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Speaker 2: Though Ben did later recall hearing what he described as
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a half scream.
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Speaker 1: Right. But the most psychologically jarring part of this entire
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timeline is what happens the very second after the violence.
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Speaker 2: It's the awakening. He describes this violently abrupt awakening. The
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fog just evaporates.
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Speaker 1: And he suddenly finds himself fully conscious, standing over his
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twin sister, holding a blood covered knife.
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Speaker 2: The physiological shock of that realization is instantaneous. He drops
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the knife right there on the floor.
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Speaker 1: He grabs a pillow and frantically presses it against her
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neck to try and staunch that catastrophic bleeding.
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Speaker 2: But realizing the sheer severity of the wounds, he actually
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abandons the pillow right.
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Speaker 1: He sprints back down the hall to his own bedroom,
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rips his phone off the charging cable and dials nine
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to one one.
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Speaker 2: And the audio of that nine one one call is
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something that truly stays.
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Speaker 1: With you, It really does. The operator asks what the
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emergency is, and Ben just blurts out, I just killed
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my sister.
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Speaker 2: The operators obviously trying to orient to the situation and
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asks for details, and Ben is just sobbing, he's hyperventilating.
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Speaker 1: He says, I thought it was a dream. I took
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my knife and I stabbed her. Please, I don't want
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her to die.
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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, And he's simultaneously screaming for his parents
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down the hall. The dispatcher immediately pivots to life saving instructions.
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Speaker 1: Trying to guide him on how to perform CPR exactly.
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Speaker 2: On the tape, you can actually hear Ben desperately counting
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out the chest compressions one, two, three, his.
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Speaker 1: Voice just fracturing with absolute panic on every single number,
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and the.
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Speaker 2: Sheer volume of this chaos finally breaches the walls the
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master bedroom. Michael, the dad, wakes.
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Speaker 1: Up right he hears the dispatcher's voice coming from the
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phone speaker. He runs down the hall, bursts into Meghan's room,
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and he is.
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Speaker 2: Met with the sight of his son, completely covered in blood,
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looking up at him and saying, I killed Meghan. I'm
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so sorry.
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Speaker 1: The paramedics were there in minutes, but honestly, a severed
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carotid and jugular is a fatal combination. Almost immediately.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she had no heart beat by the time they arrived.
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Speaker 1: I keep getting stuck on the sheer dissonance of this scene.
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I mean, you have the calculated precision of navigating a
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dark house.
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Speaker 2: Right, finding a light switch targeting a specific area of
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the human.
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Speaker 1: Body exactly, and then literally a split second later, you
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have the chaotic, fumbling reality of a panicked kid trying
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to do CPR.
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Speaker 2: And that dissonance is the very foundation of the massive
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legal battle that followed. The brain is desperately trying to
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synthesize fragmented data, like.
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Speaker 1: When Ben recalls that half scream or the physical sensation
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of the knife in his hand.
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Speaker 2: Right, He's trying to impose a linear narrative on what
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was actually a chaotic neurological event.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but I have to stop you there, because if
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we are really exploring the idea that his mind was
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completely asleep, how does the body pull this off? That's
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the big question, because my entire understanding of sleepwalking is
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based on pop culture or funny family stories.
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Speaker 2: Right, someone bumping into a coffee table.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, mumbling gibberish, walking around like a clumsy zombie with
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their arms out. Yeah, navigating a hallway, operating a light switch,
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and using a knife with lethal precision does not sound
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like a sleeping person to me. It sounds like someone
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who is wide awake.
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Speaker 2: Well, you are the only one who thought that. Yeah.
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The Harris County prosecutors asked that exact same question.
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Speaker 1: Of course, they did.
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Speaker 2: When the police arrive at the scene. The gears of
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the justice system immediately engage. They don't look at a
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kid doing CPR and think, oh, a neurological misfire.
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Speaker 1: No, they look at a body and a bloody weapon,
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and they see a homicide exactly.
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Speaker 2: Ben is taken into custody immediately. He is placed in
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handcuffs in the back of a police cruiser.
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Speaker 1: Where he sits in the dark for three hours.
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Speaker 2: Three hours while the crime scene unit swarms his childhood home.
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Speaker 1: Sitting alone in the back of a squad car, marinating
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in the horror of what just happened.
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Speaker 2: And then as the sun comes up, they transport him
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to the Harris County Sheriff's office for an interrogation with
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Detective fred Or Munoz.
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Speaker 1: A two hour interrogation, and there is no lawyer present
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in the room.
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Speaker 2: None. A seventeen year old kid operating on zero sleep,
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an unimaginable trauma, sitting across from a seasoned homicide detective.
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Speaker 1: Which is wild And during those two hours, Ben is
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remarkably compliant, isn't he very?
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Speaker 2: He actively volunteers his phone password. He tries, to the
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best of his ability to articulate his internal experience to
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the detective.
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Speaker 1: He tells Muno's that the entire event felt like a
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really realistic nightmare.
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Speaker 2: Right, he uses a specific phrase, everything feels real but
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also off at the same time, and.
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Speaker 1: He acknowledges remembering the weight of the knife and the
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act of turning on the light.
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Speaker 2: Yes, But interestingly, he is totally adamant that he only
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stabbed her once, which is a detail that sharply can
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fl with the medical examiner's finding of two distinct wounds.
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Speaker 1: Right. So, prosecutors Megan Long and Maroon Kutani review these
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interrogation tapes and.
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Speaker 2: They do not see a confused sleepwalker.
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Speaker 1: No, they see a calculated first degree murderer. And they
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build this huge theory on a combination of behavioral anomalies
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and physical evidence.
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Speaker 2: Let's break down the behavior first, because it's a huge
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part of their case.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because when I read the forty eight hours transcript
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of this interrogation, my jaw literally dropped.
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Speaker 2: It's a tough rate.
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Speaker 1: Detective Munos eventually has to inform Ben officially that Megan
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is dead, that she didn't survive the attack, right.
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Speaker 2: And Ben's response to that news is just a quiet, flat.
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Speaker 1: Hmmm hmm, just a completely subdued, almost vacant response to
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the most devastating news a human being could possibly receive, and.
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Speaker 2: The conversation doesn't stop there. Shortly after absorbing the fact
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that his twin sister is dead, Ben shifts the topic.
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Speaker 1: To his SATs.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he begins discussing his upcoming SAT schedule with the
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Hump Side detective.
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Speaker 1: He talks about his college applications and his plans to
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pursue mechanical engineering like it's a normal Tuesday.
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Speaker 2: Now on paper. The prosecution looks at that and says,
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that reads like a psychopath totally.
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Speaker 1: It reads like someone completely devoid of human empathy exactly.
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Speaker 2: The prosecutors also lean heavily into the nine one one
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call audio. There are specific moments on the tape where
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Ben's voice drops to.
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Speaker 1: A whisper, right, and the state's theory was that he
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was whispering intentionally to avoid waking his parents down the hall, which.
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Speaker 2: Would suggest a consciousness of guilt, that he was actively
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trying to hide the crime in those initial moments.
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Speaker 1: And they paired these behavioral interpretations with the physical environment
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of the bedroom.
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Speaker 2: Right. Remember the pillow, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Ben claimed he grabbed it to staunch the biting well.
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Speaker 2: The prosecution argued a much darker intent. They cleaned the
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pillow was placed over her face and neck to muffle
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her screams, ensuring the parents remained asleep.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, And then there's the whole digital footprint. Not
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only was he on his phone until four to seven
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teen am, but he had actually manually disabled his school
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alarm for that morning.
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Speaker 2: Which is a massive red flag for the state. Why
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would a teenager turn off his morning alarm if he
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genuinely intended to wake up for a normal Wednesday at
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high school?
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Speaker 1: Right? And then you look at the physical state of
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the bedroom itself.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if someone is truly sleepwalking, flailing around in a
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totally confused state in the dark, you would expect absolute
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chaos like.
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Speaker 1: Knocked over lamps, frenzied blood spatter all over the walls.
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But the scene was remarkably contained. It looked precise.
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Speaker 2: To really solidify this narrative, the prosecution brought in doctor
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Mark Pressman.
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Speaker 1: He's a highly credential psychology arry and.
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Speaker 2: He testified to the specific nature of violence during sleepwalking.
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Doctor Pressman argued that true parasomnia related violence is almost
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exclusively characterized by primitive, reflexive.
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Speaker 1: Aggression Okay, wait, so it's like a startled cat. If
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a cat is deeply asleep and you accidentally step on
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its tail, it's going to lash out, scratch you, hiss,
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and immediately bolt. It's an immediate primal defense mechanism. But
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a startled cat isn't going to calmly walk into the kitchen,
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open a cabinet, retrieve specific mouse trap, and systematically hunt
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down a mouse.
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Speaker 2: That is the perfect analogy, and it is the absolute
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core of doctor Pressman's testimony. He argued that sleepwalkers simply
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do not engage in complex, gold directed multi step sequences.
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Speaker 1: Because the brain power just isn't there.
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Speaker 2: Right, The cognitive architecture required to think, I will get
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out of bed, locate a specific weapon, remove it from
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its sheath, navigate to a specific room, visually identify a
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target by turning on a light, and execute a lethal strike.
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Speaker 1: It just doesn't exist in the deep stages.
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Speaker 2: Of sleep exactly. He also pointed out that Ben's memory
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of the tactile sensation of the knife contradicted the profound
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amnesia that is typically associated with slow as sleep disorders.
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Speaker 1: I mean, hearing the prosecution side laid out like that,
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it sounds like an ironclad case for premeditated murder.
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Speaker 2: It really does.
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Speaker 1: But I keep coming back to that interrogation room, the
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HM pivoting to the SATs because interpreting human behavior in
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the immediate aftermath of a catastrophic trauma feels a lot
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like reading key leaves. It's so subjective, it.
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Speaker 2: Is notoriously unreliable. And to truly understand Ben's behavior in
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that room, we have to look closely at the neurobiology.
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Speaker 1: Of trauma, like dissociation.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, dissociation or emotional detachment. When the human brain, and
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particularly an adolescent brain where the prefrontal cortex is still
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years away from full maturity, when it is confronted with
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a reality that fundamentally shatters its universe, the system overloads.
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The amygdala, which is the brain's fear center, is just
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flooded with cortisol and adrenaline.
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Speaker 1: So it's like a house taking a massive lightning strike.
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To prevent the entire electrical grid from just taching fire
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and burning down, the main breaker just trips, the power.
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Speaker 2: Shuts off, the psychological breaker trips. If fully processing the
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reality of I just butchered my beloved twin sister would
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result in total psychological annihilate.
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Speaker 1: The brain defensively detaches from the emotion.
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Speaker 2: It has to. It retreats into the mundane, the routine,
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the predictable. So the brain says, I cannot process death,
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so I will process my standardized testing schedule.
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Speaker 1: Wow. So it is not evidence of cold blooded calculation
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at all.
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Speaker 2: No, it is the sound of a human mind desperately
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trying to find a stable anchor in a reality that
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has literally just dissolved around it. It's the brain's error
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message that makes so much sense.
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Speaker 1: But while the prosecution is laser focused on his bizarre
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demeanor and the physical sequence of the stabbing, the defense
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realizes they have to completely shift the battlefield.
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Speaker 2: They had no choice. The defense team, led by attorneys
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Kerry Hart and Wes Rucker, knew they couldn't contest the
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physical reality of the scene.
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Speaker 1: No, because Ben held the knife, Ben caused the fatal wounds.
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That was undeniable, right.
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Speaker 2: So the only path forward was attacking the underlying mechanism
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of intent.
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Speaker 1: And to do that, they didn't look at the police reports.
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They looked backward, at the Elliott family tree, and at
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the actual electrical activity inside Ben's brain.
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Speaker 2: They retained doctor Gerald Simmons. He is a triple Board
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certified neurologist and a leading specialist in sleep disorders.
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Speaker 1: And what is crucial to understand here is that doctor
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Simmons did not simply accept the case and rubber stamd
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a sleepwalking defense for a paycheck.
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Speaker 2: Not at all. He was initially highly skeptical of the
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whole thing. He required exhaustive proof before he would testify, right,
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And what.
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Speaker 1: He uncovered was this deeply entrenched, multi generational history of
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complex parisomnia.
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Speaker 2: This wasn't some convenient excuse invented for a murder trial.
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The family history is wild.
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Speaker 1: It is when Ben was much younger, his older sister
19:39
Elizabeth vividly remembers waking up in the middle of the
19:42
night and she finds Ben just standing completely silent, perfectly still,
19:46
right next to her bed, deeply asleep.
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Speaker 2: Just staring into the void. And there's another documented incident
19:51
at a friend's sleepover too.
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Speaker 1: Oh the donut story.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the friends woke up to find Ben sitting upright
19:57
on the living room couch, fully asleep, casually eating a donut.
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He was chewing, swallowing, completely oblivious to his surroundings.
20:06
Speaker 1: But doctor Simmons looked beyond just Ben. He mapped the
20:09
genetics of the entire extended family.
20:12
Speaker 2: And the genetic anecdotes sound like a sitcom until you
20:15
realize what they culminate in.
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Speaker 1: Right, because Kathy's uncle, so Ben's great uncle, was a
20:21
legendary sleepwalker in the family.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, decades ago when he was a teenager. He
20:26
once sleepwalked straight into the bathroom while Kathy was taking
20:29
a shower.
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Speaker 1: And he wasn't just aimlessly walking, he was carrying a
20:32
handful of tools he had retrieved from somewhere else in
20:35
the house.
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Speaker 2: Completely asleep. Yeah, and there was an aunt who would
20:38
routinely wander out the front door and walk around the
20:41
neighborhood in the middle of severe.
20:42
Speaker 1: Thunderstorms, also completely asleep. So the genetic loaded weapon for
20:46
parisomnia was clearly present in Ben's DNA.
20:49
Speaker 2: Genetics provide the blueprint, sure, but doctor Simmons needed to
20:53
identify the immediate biological trigger.
20:55
Speaker 1: Why did the gun fire on that specific night in September?
21:00
Speaker 2: Right, and he found the catalyst in a seemingly common condition,
21:03
obstructive sleep apnea.
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Speaker 1: Okay, this is where the science demands a really deep dive,
21:08
because most people hear sleep apnea, and they think of
21:11
like a middle aged guy snoring loudly on the couch.
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Speaker 2: Right, maybe feeling a little groggy the next day at work.
21:16
Speaker 1: Exactly, how does a breathing issue transform a teenager into
21:21
a lethal threat.
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Speaker 2: Well, to connect those dots, we have to map the
21:25
actual architecture of human sleep.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's do it.
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Speaker 2: Because sleep is not just a uniform state of unconsciousness.
21:32
We cycle through distinct phases throughout the night. We have
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light sleep, and we have REM sleep rapid eye movement, and.
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Speaker 1: REM is where we experience those really vivid, cinematic narrative dreams.
21:45
Speaker 2: Right yes, And crucially, during REM sleep, the brain releases
21:49
neurotransmitters that essentially paralyze the voluntary muscles of the.
21:54
Speaker 1: Body, which is an evolutionary safeguard basically to prevent us
21:57
from physically acting out our dreams sleep. So if I'm
22:00
dreaming about like running away from a bear in the woods,
22:03
my legs don't actually kick the wall next to my
22:05
bed exactly.
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Speaker 2: But then we have non REM slow wave sleep. This
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is the deepest, most restorative stage of sleep. This is
22:13
where the brain performs physical maintenance and memory consolidation. And
22:17
here's the critical difference. During slow wave sleep, the brain
22:21
does not terrolyze the body. The motor cortex, the region
22:25
responsible for movement, remains highly active and totally capable of
22:29
receiving commands.
22:30
Speaker 1: Wait, why would evolution allow our bodies to move when
22:33
our minds are in the absolute deepest possible stage of unconsciousness.
22:37
That seems like a design flow.
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Speaker 2: It does, but it likely goes back to early human survival.
22:42
Think about our ancestors sweeping on the ground. Okay, even
22:44
in deep sleep, they needed the ability to adjust their posture,
22:49
roll over to avoid a sharp rock, or even exhibit
22:52
low level defensive movements if a predator brushed against them.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I see, And they needed to do all that
22:56
without having to fully wake up and interrupt the restorative
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seas process.
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Speaker 2: Right. So, the basal ganglia, which is a part of
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the brain that stores ingrained habitual motor programs.
23:05
Speaker 1: Like walking or opening doors.
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Speaker 2: Or driving a car. The basal ganglia can function autonomously,
23:12
but the prefrontal cortex, which is the seat of executive function, logic, morality,
23:17
conscious awareness, that is completely powered down.
23:19
Speaker 1: And enter the sleep apnea.
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Speaker 2: Exactly obstructive sleep. Apne means the physical air we literally
23:24
collapses during sleep. It cuts off the supply of oxygen
23:28
to the brain, which is terrifying it is and the
23:30
brain detects the rising carbon dioxide levels and realizes it
23:33
is suffocating. So in a panic, it triggers what neurology
23:37
is call a micro arousal.
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Speaker 1: It forcefully yanks the sleeper out of deep slow wave sleep.
23:42
Speaker 2: Just enough to force a gasp for air to clear
23:45
the airway.
23:45
Speaker 1: So you have a brain that is submerged in the
23:48
absolute deepest, heaviest stage of sleep, and suddenly a biological
23:51
alarm bell screams breathe or die yes.
23:54
Speaker 2: And this creates violent neurological whiplash. In a neurotypical brain,
23:59
you gasp, you settle, and you go right back to sleep.
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Speaker 1: But in a brain genetically primed for parasomnia.
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Speaker 2: This sudden micro arousal creates a catastrophic malfunction. The sleeper
24:08
gets trapped in a twilight state. The primitive survival oriented
24:12
parts of the brain.
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Speaker 1: Boot up, the basal ganglia boot up, the body is mobilized, but.
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Speaker 2: The prefrontal cortex, the conscious pilot, fails to wake up.
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Speaker 1: Oh Man, think about it like a computer system. It's
24:24
like the hardware suddenly turning on. The fans are spinning,
24:28
the hard drive is worrying, the monitor is glowing. The
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machinery of the body, the limbs, the eyes, the spatial
24:34
awareness is fully operational. Yes, But the software, the operating
24:39
system that actually holds Ben's personality, his love for his sister,
24:43
his knowledge of right and wrong, that software has been
24:47
completely uninsolved for the night.
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Speaker 2: The body is just operating on a primitive, corrupted script.
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Speaker 1: And doctor Simmons proved this wasn't just a theoretical model
24:55
for Ben, didn't.
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Speaker 2: He He did. He brought Ben into a specialized sleep
24:59
lab and can to two exhaustive overnight polysomnography studies space
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six weeks apart.
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Speaker 1: He wired Ben's scalp to monitor his brain waves, strap
25:08
sensors to his chest to measure his respiratory effort, monitored
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his muscle activity.
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Speaker 2: The works and the data from those studies was highly,
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highly abnormal.
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Speaker 1: Because think about your own sleep. Usually, when you get
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into bed, it takes you what forty five minutes maybe
25:22
an hour to slowly descend through the light stages of
25:26
sleep before you hit that deep, heavy slow wave stage
25:29
where you are just dead to the world.
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Speaker 2: Right. But doctor Simmons found that Ben's brain was plunging
25:34
into that absolute deepest stage of slow wave sleep in
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just eleven minutes.
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Speaker 1: Eleven minutes.
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Speaker 2: That rapid onset is a massive neurological anomaly. Now overlay
25:44
that eleven minute descent onto the digital timeline of the crime.
25:47
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, let's do the math. Ben's phone usage
25:50
stops at exactly four seventeen am, the nine to one
25:53
one call is placed at four four one am. We
25:55
have our twenty four minute window.
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Speaker 2: Right. If Ben puts his phone down and falls asleep
25:59
immediately at four seventeen and his brain plunges into slow
26:02
wave sleep in eleven minutes.
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Speaker 1: That places him in the deepest stage of sleep at
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exactly four point two eight am.
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Speaker 2: Right in the absolute center of the window.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: At that exact moment, his sleep apnea triggers a micro arousal,
26:14
the airway collapses, the brain panics, that basil gangly activate,
26:18
and the prefrontal cortex stays completely dark.
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Speaker 1: It's a perfect storm.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Simmons looked at this data and testified with absolute certainty.
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He told the court Ben definitely killed his sister. He
26:30
did it, but I believe it was part of a parasomnia.
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He didn't do this voluntarily.
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Speaker 1: There was no motivation, which brings us to the most
26:37
difficult legal concept of this entire story. The defense isn't
26:41
claiming self defense here. No, they aren't even claiming insanity,
26:44
where someone knows what they are doing but is driven
26:47
by a delusion or voices. They are arguing an absolute
26:51
lack of.
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Speaker 2: Men's rea mensred the guilty mind right. The entire foundation
26:56
of Western criminal law, dating all the way back to
26:59
the Enlightenment philosopher, is built on the premise of free will.
27:02
It assumes that humans are conscious, rational actors making deliberate choices.
27:07
Speaker 1: To convict a person of murder, the state must prove
27:09
two elements beyond a reasonable doubt. First, the act as
27:12
rieus the.
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Speaker 2: Guilty act the physical commission of the crime right.
27:16
Speaker 1: But second, and equally important, they must prove the mensraea
27:20
that the act was committed with conscious intent, knowledge, or
27:23
extreme recklessness.
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Speaker 2: The state has to prove you meant to do it right,
27:27
and if.
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Speaker 1: A neurologist can prove that your prefundel cortex was physiologically offline,
27:32
the legal argument is that you literally lack the biological
27:36
capacity to form intent.
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Speaker 2: You are not a human being committing a crime in
27:40
that moment. You are a biological automaton experiencing a malfunction.
27:45
Speaker 1: And as impossible as that sounds to a layperson, there
27:48
is profound legal precedent for this. The sources we looked
27:51
at dive into the landmark nineteen eighty seven case of
27:54
Kenneth Parks up in Canada.
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Speaker 2: That case is wild. It is the holy grail of
27:59
this walking defense, and it blows doctor Pressman's theory of
28:03
simple reflexive actions completely out of the water.
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Speaker 1: It really does. The Kenneth Parks case forces us to
28:09
reconsider the absolute limits of the sleeping brain. Parks was
28:13
this young man with severe financial and gambling stress, and
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he fell asleep on his living room couch.
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Speaker 2: And while entirely in a state of slow wave sleep,
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he stood up, put on his shoes, walked out of
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his house, got into his car, and successfully drove fourteen
28:26
miles across the busy streets of town.
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Speaker 1: He navigated traffic lights, he made turns.
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Speaker 2: While completely asleep. He arrived at his in law's house,
28:33
let himself in, retrieved a tire iron from his trunk
28:37
and bludgeoned and stabbed his mother in law to death.
28:41
He also severely attacked his father in law, who barely survived.
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Speaker 1: He drove fourteen miles while asleep. That is just staggering.
28:49
Speaker 2: And after the attack, still in this twilight state, he
28:53
drove to a nearby police station. He walked into the lobby,
28:57
his hands slashed to the bone with severed flexs tendons
29:00
from the knife slipping during the attack.
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Speaker 1: And he told the officer at the desk, I think
29:04
I have killed some people.
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Speaker 2: He felt absolutely no pain from his severed tendons until
29:08
he finally fully woke up inside the police station.
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Speaker 1: Is sheer complexity of driving a car across town makes
29:15
turning on a light switch and using a knife in
29:17
your own house look incredibly simple by comparison.
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Speaker 2: Exactly during the Parks trial, leading sleep experts demonstrated that
29:24
driving a car, once fully learned and practiced over years,
29:28
becomes deeply encoded in the basil ganglia.
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Speaker 1: It is an habitual motor program.
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Speaker 2: Just as you might drive home from work and realize
29:35
you don't remember the last five miles because you were
29:37
lost in thought.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I've definitely done that right.
29:39
Speaker 2: The basil ganglia can execute the entire sequence of driving
29:42
without any conscious input from the prefernal cortex whatsoever.
29:46
Speaker 1: And the Canadian jury, faced with overwhelming electro andcephalogram data
29:51
proving Parks's severe parasomnia, they actually acquitted him of murder.
29:55
Speaker 2: They did. They ruled he lacked mensre, and the Supreme
29:59
Court of Canada later upheld the acquittal, establishing a monumental
30:03
legal precedent.
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Speaker 1: So the legal pathway for Ben Elliott to be acquitted
30:07
absolutely existed. The science supported it, the precedent supported it.
30:11
Speaker 2: But the reality of a courtroom is very, very different
30:14
from the sterile environment of a sleep lab.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: In February twenty twenty five, the trial begins in Harris County,
30:21
and sitting in the gallery enduring an unimaginable hell, are
30:24
Kathy and Michael Elliott.
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Speaker 2: The parents are trapped in an excruciating predator I mean,
30:29
they have already buried their daughter and now they are
30:32
watching the state attempt to incarcerate their surviving son for
30:35
the rest of his life.
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Speaker 1: Both Kathy and Michael were called to the witness stand.
30:39
The emotional toll was just palpable in the room, Kathy
30:43
wept as she vehemently defended the bond between her children.
30:46
Speaker 2: She insisted to the jury that Ben would never ever
30:50
intentionally harm Megan.
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Speaker 1: And Michael had to publicly relive the absolute agony of
30:55
the nine one one call, recounting the site of his
30:58
son desperately trying to perform cps are on his sister.
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Speaker 2: The defense leaned entirely into the science and the sheer
31:04
absurdity of the prosecution's motive.
31:06
Speaker 1: Right they put doctor Simmons on the stand to walk
31:09
the jury through the polysymnography charts, the sleep apnea, the
31:12
micro arousals that eleven minute descent into slow wave sleep.
31:15
Speaker 2: They painted a highly compelling picture of a biological glitch
31:19
that just destroyed a family.
31:21
Speaker 1: But the prosecutors were relentless. They continuously pulled the jury's
31:25
attention away from the brain scans and back to the
31:27
physical reality of the crime scene.
31:29
Speaker 2: They hammered on the two distinct stab wounds, arguing that
31:32
a second strike indicates a conscious decision.
31:34
Speaker 1: To ensure lethality, they highlighted the deactivated school alarm, the
31:38
whispered nine to one to one call, and above all,
31:41
the bizarrely detached conversation about sat scores in the interrogation room.
31:47
Speaker 2: The prosecution argued that a loving family history does not
31:50
magically erase the physical facts of those twenty four minutes.
31:54
Speaker 1: So, after hearing weeks of dueling experts, the case goes
31:57
to the jury and they deliberate for roughly four four
32:00
to five.
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Speaker 2: Hours, which, in the context of a highly complex murder
32:04
trial hinging on intricate neurological testimony.
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Speaker 1: Four hours is remarkably.
32:09
Speaker 2: Fast, very fast, And when they return to the courtroom
32:12
they deliver their verdict. They find Benjamin Elliott guilty of murder.
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Speaker 1: They wold sale reject the parasomnia defense.
32:18
Speaker 2: The speed of that deliberation speaks volumes about the immense
32:21
burden of proof required in these cases.
32:23
Speaker 1: Right because you're asking twelve everyday citizens, none of whom
32:27
are neurologists, to override their fundamental lived experience of the world.
32:32
Speaker 2: Common sense dictates that if a person walks down a hallway,
32:35
turns on a light, and plunges a knife into someone's
32:37
neck twice, they intended to do it.
32:39
Speaker 1: Asking a jury to ignore that visceral reality and equit
32:43
based on abstract brain wave data and the concept of
32:46
a deactivated prefrontal cortex is an incredibly steep hill to climb.
32:50
Speaker 2: It is a really tough pill to swallow for a jury.
32:53
Speaker 1: I think the sheer brutality of the act overwhelms the science.
32:57
When a jury looks at autopsy photos of a sever
33:00
carotid artery, the human instinct for retribution, the need for accountability.
33:05
Speaker 2: It often drowns out the clinical explanations of sleep architecture.
33:08
Speaker 1: It just feels fundamentally wrong to let someone walk free
33:11
after causing that much devastation, regardless of their brain state.
33:15
Speaker 2: But the jury did do something highly unusual during the
33:17
sentencing phase.
33:18
Speaker 1: They did while they convicted him of murder, the jury
33:21
formally requested that the judge show leniency in sentencing.
33:25
Speaker 2: The prosecution was pushing for a sentence exceeding forty years,
33:28
which would effectively ensure Ben would spend the majority of
33:31
his adult life in a maximum security penitentiary.
33:34
Speaker 1: And under Texas law, the maximum penalty was life. However,
33:38
Judge DANIELA. Lecaio handed down a sentence of fifteen years.
33:42
Speaker 2: It reads like a compromise.
33:43
Speaker 1: It really does. It's the justice system saying we cannot
33:47
legally let you walk away from a body. But we
33:49
acknowledge that the circumstances here are profoundly bizarre and uniquely.
33:54
Speaker 2: Tragic, and the reaction of the parents to this outcome
33:58
perfectly encapsulates the paradox of this entire phenomenon.
34:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, they publicly pleaded with the judge for leniency, stating
34:06
repeatedly that Megan, who loved her brother deeply, would have
34:09
wanted mercy for him.
34:11
Speaker 2: They continued to visit him in prison, but at the
34:13
same time, the investigative reporting noted a really chilling detail.
34:17
Speaker 1: Oh, this part is so dark.
34:19
Speaker 2: After the incident, before the trial even began, the parents
34:22
temporarily moved out of their house, and when they moved
34:25
back in, they installed loud alarms on all the bedroom doors.
34:28
Speaker 1: That single detail is the most profound illustration of the
34:32
terror of parasomnia.
34:33
Speaker 2: Because they believed his sleep whileking defense completely. They believed
34:36
he lacked conscious intent.
34:38
Speaker 1: Yet they were so deeply terrified of his underlying biology,
34:41
terrified that the basil ganglia might boot up again while
34:44
the conscious mind slept, that they had to install mechanical
34:47
safeguards in their own home.
34:48
Speaker 2: They were protecting themselves, not from their son, but from
34:51
his unconscious brain.
34:53
Speaker 1: Ben is currently serving his fifteen year sentence in a
34:55
Texas prison. He will be eligible for parole in twenty
34:58
thirty two.
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Speaker 2: The interviews he has given, he steadfastly maintains his innocence.
35:03
Regarding intent, he has said, I would never have done that.
35:06
I loved her. She was my best and closest friend.
35:09
Speaker 1: His legal team is actively preparing an appeal. But as
35:12
we step back from the specifics of the Elliott family,
35:15
the broader implications of this science are honestly staggering.
35:19
Speaker 2: They really are, because the medical literature suggests that up
35:21
to four percent of the adult population experiences some form
35:25
of violent parasomnia.
35:27
Speaker 1: Four percent is a massive number that translates to millions
35:30
of individuals walking around with a biological quirk that could,
35:33
under the exact wrong sequence of stressors, result in violence, and.
35:36
Speaker 2: It forces us to confront a glaring inadequacy in our society.
35:40
Our entire legal framework, inherited from centuries of enlightenment philosophy,
35:44
is structurally incapable of processing crimes born of biological glitches.
35:48
Speaker 1: When modern functional MRI technology and sleep studies prove that
35:52
our bodies can execute complex, violent tasks while the conscious
35:56
self is completely absent. The legal system just short circuits.
36:01
Speaker 2: Are we incarcerating a malicious actor who made a bad choice,
36:05
or are we locking a malfunctioning biological machine in a cage?
36:09
Speaker 1: It really makes you wonder how many people are currently
36:12
sitting in prison cells right now, serving life sentences simply
36:16
because their families couldn't afford a triple board certified neurologist
36:20
like doctor Simmons.
36:21
Speaker 2: How many people are locked away for a nightmare they
36:24
physically couldn't wake up from.
36:25
Speaker 1: So I want to pose this directly to you, the listener.
36:28
Put yourself in that jury box in Harris County.
36:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about it. You have heard the agony of
36:33
the nine one one tape, you have seen the crime
36:35
scene photos of the two stab ones.
36:36
Speaker 1: But you have also reviewed the polysomnography charts, the familial
36:40
history of sleepwalking, and the absolute void of any rational motive.
36:44
Speaker 2: Could you look a grieving family in the eye and
36:47
quit a young man of brutal killing based purely on
36:50
the electrical activity of his brain?
36:52
Speaker 1: Or does the sheer violence of the action demand a
36:54
blood price? Does it demand accountability regardless of whether the
36:58
conscious mind was awake or asleep.
37:01
Speaker 2: It remains the ultimate unresolved collision between the human mind,
37:05
the physical body, and the eyes of the law.
37:08
Speaker 1: To bring the tragedy of today's deep dive into focus,
37:10
we have the Elliots, a family defined by love and stability,
37:15
completely annihilated in the span of twenty four minutes.
37:19
Speaker 2: An act that leading neuroscientists argue is the result of
37:22
a catastrophic microscopic misfire in the brain's architecture triggered by
37:27
sleep APNA.
37:28
Speaker 1: But the rigid machinery of the law, driven by the
37:30
common sense of twelve peers, categorized it as deliberate murder.
37:34
Speaker 2: A seventeen year old girl with a beautiful soul is gone,
37:37
and her twin brother will spend his most formative years
37:40
navigating a Texas penitentiary.
37:42
Speaker 1: And as we look forward, this case really serves as
37:44
a harbinger of legal battles to come.
37:46
Speaker 2: Because neuroscience is advancing at an exponential, terrifying rate, we
37:50
are rapidly approaching a horizon where brain mapping will definitively
37:53
indisputably prove exactly when a human body is operating without
37:57
the consent of its conscious pilot, and.
37:59
Speaker 1: When that tech achnology fully arrives in the courtroom, we
38:02
will not merely be asked to rewrite the criminal code.
38:05
Speaker 2: No, we will be forced to completely dismantle and redefine
38:09
what it fundamentally means to be a conscious human being
38:12
responsible for our own physical forms.
38:14
Speaker 1: Until that day, the tragedy of the Elliott family stands
38:18
as a harrowing reminder of how terrifyingly fragile the boundary
38:22
between a nightmare and waking reality truly is.
38:25
Speaker 2: It is a boundary every single one of us crosses
38:27
every night when we close our eyes.
38:28
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this deep dive.
38:31
Keep questioning the world around you, keep looking beneath the surface,
38:34
and we will see you next time.