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- 0:00in 1988 someone found a small stripe muscle in Lake St.
- 0:03Clair. and it was about the size of a fingernail.
- 0:06Nobody had seen it in North America before.
- 0:08And within a few years, there were actually billions of them coating pipes,
- 0:12boats.
- 0:13And the bottom of the Great Lakes.
- 0:14It didn't look good. A lot of the fish populations went down.
- 0:18It would like the lakes were changed quite significantly.
- 0:21Then the Great Lakes pulled off something that no other freshwater system
- 0:26in the world has managed. And that's what we're gonna talk about
- 0:28on today's episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 0:30I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
- 0:32Marine biologist and science communicator here to tell you
- 0:35all about what's happening with the ocean.
- 0:37Today we are talking a lot about ~ invasive species,
- 0:42right? It's a we're gonna talk about some of the stories ~ that usually
- 0:46end in the same way. some something arrives,
- 0:47they take over, and then use is like this is here forever,
- 0:50we can't do it.
- 0:51And you feel helpless because you see these animals here.
- 0:53And how are you gonna get rid of them?
- 0:54How do we get rid of them in the Great Lakes?
- 0:56Like these mussels and other like lionfish.
- 0:58How do you get rid of them into the ocean?
- 0:59And there's all these things that you you look at and you're my gosh,
- 1:02how are we doing? ~ but this episode shows two places where people did push back,
- 1:06and the numbers have proved that we can manage some of these invasive species.
- 1:11I'm not saying it's easy, but it's something that we can do.
- 1:15~
- 1:16Just to kind of give you an I an idea,
- 1:18like I've been watching the Zebra Mussels for a while.
- 1:21This this whole invasive zebra mussels thing since high school.
- 1:24So I was in high school in the 1990s.
- 1:26they were the poster poster child for it's too late,
- 1:29quote unquote, it's too late. And and I've been waiting a long time
- 1:33to tell the other half of the story.
- 1:35This was something that I did a project on in my science and society class,
- 1:39which is one of like my favorite classes looking back at at high school.
- 1:42And it it's something that,
- 1:44We never really talk about in terms of pollution.
- 1:49This is a type of pollution. And we've been talking all about pollution this week.
- 1:53We had, the author of the second edition of Marine Pollution,
- 1:57Dr. Judith Weiss, who's here to talk to us on Monday about all
- 2:00the different types of pollution.
- 2:01Then we start to dive in. We looked at sewage in New York Harbor and how it's,
- 2:04we stopped the flow and the harbor started to recover.
- 2:07~ and recovered. Now we have, a great ~
- 2:10organization that's looking at whale counts because the whales are back
- 2:13and the Mendaton are back. the next day we talked about on Wednesday
- 2:16we talked about drugs in our water like pharmaceuticals.
- 2:19to try and stop the dose and and and we see that the the lake can recover
- 2:23and we have the technology to do that.
- 2:25And then yesterday we talked about plastic and it it only grows when
- 2:29we make more and so that we know that we can stop making it
- 2:31and everything is better.
- 2:33Now, every one of those pollutants needs us to keep adding it,
- 2:37right? Like the like plastic, pharmaceuticals,
- 2:40sewage, everything is added in there.
- 2:42But this one, the biological pollution,
- 2:45breaks that rule, right? A chemical spills and gets diluted over time.
- 2:48an invasive species as a population gets bigger because it reproduces.
- 2:53And that's why like some scientists call invasive species like biological pollution.
- 2:59living things in the wrong places and changing the system around it.
- 3:02That's what we need to do. So let's let's talk about,
- 3:06the zebra muscle situation and how that started and then how we we're
- 3:10and getting to the point where what we are doing to really stamp this out.
- 3:14Cause I think it's it's really important when we think about
- 3:17the ramifications of this.
- 3:19So the big cargo ships that you see in at ports carry water in their hulls
- 3:23to keep them steady, It's a called ballast.
- 3:25So a ship takes on water in one port,
- 3:28sails across the ocean, and pumps it out into another.
- 3:31So if it arrives in Hamilton Harbor here in Canada in the Great Lakes,
- 3:34~ in Lake Ontario, then it will,
- 3:36it'll pump out that water. Now
- 3:40Not anymore, but it did that's what it did.
- 3:41So along with that water comes whatever was living in it.
- 3:44So it could be larvae, tiny crustaceans,
- 3:46fish eggs, plankton. a ship's ballast tank is is pretty much a free ride across
- 3:51the planet. And
- 3:52In 1988, a small striped mussel was found in Lake St.
- 3:56Clair. It's the little lake between Lake Huron and Lake Michigan.
- 3:59And it was a zebra mussel, native to the region around like the Black
- 4:03and Caspian seas in Eastern Europe and Western Asia.
- 4:06It almost certainly arrived in the ballast water.
- 4:09That's what pretty much we have on ocean-going ships.
- 4:12it spread pretty quickly. So zebra mussels and their close cousins,
- 4:15the quagga mussel, can pack in about 20,000.
- 4:20per square meter. That's how that's how close they can get and that's
- 4:23how dense they can get. And they're small,
- 4:25like they're like the size of a fingernail.
- 4:27and at some of the power plants intakes,
- 4:29so the pipes that that bring in the water,
- 4:30people have counted up to 750,000 per square meter.
- 4:34they clog the pipes, jam valves,
- 4:36they they damage cooling systems
- 4:38I remember I worked for one of my first jobs in private environmental consulting.
- 4:42I worked for a company, a wastewater company,
- 4:45that would try to get rid had like a type of natural chemical that these erbamos
- 4:51didn't like. And they would they would help industry get rid of them from their
- 4:55pikes because they would clog them up so much.
- 4:58Now, the estimated economic damage in North America since they arrived runs between
- 5:02one and one and a half billion dollars.
- 5:05that's a pretty large sum of money,
- 5:06especially when you look at all the stuff that happens along the Great Lakes.
- 5:09And they changed the lakes themselves,
- 5:11like completely. A single adult can filter up to two liters of water a day.
- 5:15And Lake Erie's muscle population can filter a volume of water equal
- 5:19to the whole basin in a single day.
- 5:21Now, Lake Erie is not the biggest lake,
- 5:23but it's still a pretty big lake.
- 5:25And that made the water clear,
- 5:26which sounds to be good news. That's great.
- 5:28Like it make it nice and clear.
- 5:30But clear water here means the plankton at the bottom of the food
- 5:33web has been stripped out. There's like a lot of the the brownness or
- 5:37the the the murkiness, I guess,
- 5:39of the water was plankton. And when you don't have plankton,
- 5:43the fish that depend on it, including like the young species like walleye
- 5:47and leg trout, pay the price. they're not there anymore.
- 5:49And unlike a spill, the mussels
- 5:52didn't fade over time. They reproduced every year.
- 5:55There were more and more and more.
- 5:57That's the type of biological pollution we're looking at.
- 6:00It's not like that it dilutes,
- 6:02it multiplies. So now let's head south to a warmer water and a fish that's pretty
- 6:06beautiful, venomous a little bit,
- 6:07and very hungry. it's the stuff that nobody really recognized,
- 6:11like lionfish. Lionfish are stunning.
- 6:14red and white stripes, long fan-like fins,
- 6:16a crown of venomous spines. Like they're pretty cool.
- 6:19They're native to the reefs of the Pacific and the and the Indian Oceans.
- 6:23And for years, they were a popular fish in home aquariums.
- 6:27And in mid-1980s, lionfish started to turn up along the Florida coast.
- 6:31And people were like, where did this come from?
- 6:33And most likely the explanation is that they were released from the aquariums,
- 6:36like the marine aquarium hobby.
- 6:38So essentially people had them in the aquariums.
- 6:41And they said, what, we don't want them anymore.
- 6:42We don't want to ret we're not going to return them to the store,
- 6:44which is what they're supposed to do.
- 6:45They don't want to kill them. So they release them into the ocean because it's
- 6:48the ocean. It's one big ocean.
- 6:50This is where they should be. Well,
- 6:51yeah, they do belong in the ocean,
- 6:53but they're from Indonesia. They're not on the Atlantic.
- 6:55They're not in the Caribbean. So since then,
- 6:58they've actually spread through the Caribbean,
- 6:59the Gulf of Mexico, and the US as far north as Carolina.
- 7:04I've gone diving in the Caribbean multiple times and I see them
- 7:07on every single dive. It's actually
- 7:09Quite insane to see them. The only time I didn't see many of them
- 7:13was in Grand Cayman, and that was pre-COVID.
- 7:16So that was quite a long time ago.
- 7:17Now they had every advantage. A female lionfish can spawn every three to four days,
- 7:23releasing more than two million eggs a year.
- 7:26their venomous spines mean almost nothing in the Atlantic wants to eat them.
- 7:30So there's no natural predators.
- 7:32And the native fish had never seen a predator like this before.
- 7:35So they didn't know like to swim away.
- 7:37So lionfish had been recorded eating like more than 70% of the native species that
- 7:42were on there, the native fish that were on there,
- 7:44because they're predatory species.
- 7:45And in 2008, two scientists from Oregon State University,
- 7:48Mark Albans and Mark Hicks, measured just how much damage they do.
- 7:52On a small experimental reef in the Bahamas,
- 7:55they compared reefs with lionfish to reefs without.
- 7:58Over just five weeks, the reefs with lionfish saw about 79% fewer young native fish
- 8:03settling into that area. That's crazy.
- 8:07Like young fish are like the reef's future and lionfish are eating.
- 8:10And I've covered this on Ocean Dakota Live ~ earlier this week,
- 8:14where we talked about how if you have a coral reef that is suffering from bleaching,
- 8:19having the layers of fish that you need.
- 8:22To make sure that there are fish to take off algae,
- 8:25to allow young corals to settle after a pretty devastating like
- 8:29six month bleaching event or six-month heat wave event.
- 8:32It's really important to have those there,
- 8:35to have that like layers of fish and and a and a healthy food web.
- 8:38If you don't have that, then the coral reefs are not going to be able
- 8:41to survive for very long. So now you have like we talked about two invaders,
- 8:44right? We two different places,
- 8:46very different places, one freshwater,
- 8:47one marine.
- 8:49And like I want to talk now like how how people are are fighting back,
- 8:53because that's really what this comes down to.
- 8:56This is not anymore where we're just like,
- 8:57hey, these species are here. We're just gonna have to deal with them.
- 9:00That was part of it. But there's been research going on for decades
- 9:03to kind of figure out how we can get rid of them.
- 9:05So between eight 1959 and the mid 2000s,
- 9:08the Great Lakes picked up a new invasive species,
- 9:10roughly like every six to seven months.
- 9:12It wasn't just the zebra mussel.
- 9:13Some had more impact than others.
- 9:15And scientists have said no other freshwater system on the planet
- 9:18was invaded that often. It's almost like a war of the species.
- 9:22And it's because, the Great Lakes are such an important navigation area into central
- 9:27Canada and the US. Now today there are close to 190 non-native species established
- 9:34in the basin. And about two-thirds of the ones that have arrived after 1959 came
- 9:39in the ship's ballast water. So Canada and the United States went after the ballast.
- 9:44Like that's that's you found the the the problem.
- 9:46Now you gotta go after it. So in nineteen ninety-three,
- 9:48ships coming into the Great Lakes from the ocean have to swap their ballast water
- 9:52out and it's at sea, replacing the fresh or brackish water with salt water.
- 9:57So it gets rid of all those animals that were in there.
- 9:59And anything that stays around,
- 10:01get if they're freshwater, they're gonna get killed by the salt.
- 10:04And the idea was simple like freshwater hitchhikers from the from the port
- 10:07in Europe usually can't survive a
- 10:08With a full strength ocean water.
- 10:10And the the early rules had some gaps.
- 10:13So ships that said they had no ballasts on board often still carried leftover water
- 10:18and sludge in the bottom of their tanks,
- 10:19and invasive and invasions kept coming in.
- 10:22So between 2006 and 2008, both countries,
- 10:25United States and Canada, tightened up the rules.
- 10:28Ships had to flush even those empty tanks with salt water.
- 10:32And every ship heading into the St.
- 10:33Lawrence Seaway would have its tanks checked.
- 10:35So they were all inspected. In 2022,
- 10:38two Canadian scientists, Anthony Ricciardi at McGill University and Hugh McIsaac
- 10:43at the University of Windsor, looked at what happened next.
- 10:46They compared three 13-year periods from 1981 to 93.
- 10:5119 new non-native species were detected.
- 10:54From 1994 to 2006, 26 were detected.
- 10:58So obviously that the f now they're gonna have to really flush them out.
- 11:01From 2007 to 2019, after the tougher rules,
- 11:05just four not native species came in.
- 11:07That's an 85% drop. The invasion rate in the Great Lakes is now the lowest it's been
- 11:12in two centuries. So we're starting to see some progress here.
- 11:16There's still obviously some work to do,
- 11:18but there's some progress here in not allowing more in and trying to get
- 11:21rid of the ones that are already here.
- 11:23And Ricky already put it this way.
- 11:25He goes, I'm aware of no other documented case
- 11:27In which the invasion rate of a large aquatic system has been suppressed through
- 11:31a management intervention. Like the same lesson as New York Harbor.
- 11:36Find the door to the problem that comes through and pretty much close it.
- 11:40That's the idea, And in 2017, an international treaty on ballast water management
- 11:44came into force. So ships around the world now have the to manage their ballast
- 11:48water too. So it's not just people coming into Canada or the US or the St.
- 11:51Lawrence Seaway. Now closing the door.
- 11:55works for new arrivals, but what about the lionfish already here?
- 11:58You can't flush an ocean. Like it just doesn't work that way.
- 12:01So once the lionfish had spread across thousands of kilometers of reef,
- 12:06most people assumed nothing could be done.
- 12:08you'll never catch every lionfish in the Caribbean.
- 12:11That's just not going to happen.
- 12:12And a team led by Stephanie Green,
- 12:14~ working with Isabel Cote at Seven Fraser University,
- 12:17asked a different question. What if you don't catch every single one?
- 12:22they worked on 24 coral reefs near Eleuther Island in the Bahamas.
- 12:26On some reefs, divers regularly speared lionfish,
- 12:29removing somewhere between 75 to 95% of them.
- 12:32enough to keep their numbers below the level where they start to wipe
- 12:36out the native fish. Others were left alone.
- 12:38The results came out in 2014 on the reefs where lionfish were kept low.
- 12:43native prey fish numbers went up by 50 to 70 percent fish that matter
- 12:47to local fishers like nasal grouper and yellow tail snapper they came back
- 12:51too and Stephanie Green summed it up like this by creating safe havens small pockets
- 12:56of reef where lionfish numbers are kept low we can help native species recover
- 13:01and we don't have to catch every lionfish to do it
- 13:05And that idea caught on. So in Florida,
- 13:07the state now runs a lionfish challenge.
- 13:09In 2024, 285 divers removed 31,773 lionfish.
- 13:15Holy cow. The highest total since the challenge started in 2016.
- 13:21One diver speared 915 by himself.
- 13:24And the lionfish ended up on restaurant menus,
- 13:27where it turns out like they're quite delicious.
- 13:29I've actually had them before.
- 13:30They're they're they're quite meaty.
- 13:31Noah has even promoted eating lionfish as a way to help control them.
- 13:35we are very good at overfishing.
- 13:36Overfishing an invasive species,
- 13:38it's not a bad thing. So the thing is,
- 13:41I think what I want you guys to keep in mind here is you don't need
- 13:45to completely win. Keeping an invader low gives the local ecosystem time to recover.
- 13:50But the thing is, like ballast rules close one door and
- 13:54There are still others that are still open,
- 13:56right? You have recreational boats moving between lakes,
- 13:58aquarium and pet releases, bait buckets,
- 14:01and invasive carp moving north through US rivers.
- 14:04And there are programs out there to try and keep them out as much as possible,
- 14:09but we can't control everything.
- 14:11Like zebra and quagga mussels aren't leaving the Great Lakes.
- 14:13They're still there. The wind is keeping them from reaching new lakes
- 14:17and keeping new species out. They're even
- 14:19Have been experiments to try and keep them out of smaller lakes and even just like
- 14:23eradicate them from smaller lakes by dosing the lakes.
- 14:26I don't know the exact chemical to use,
- 14:28but it's usually natural and it doesn't affect the rest of the lakes because they
- 14:31do a lot of studies around that.
- 14:33Now lionfish aren't leaving the Caribbean either.
- 14:35They're gonna be there. The wind is managing them reef by reef.
- 14:38So it's all gonna be down to local management and whether the local authorities
- 14:42or the countries or the islands that are around there have the ability
- 14:45and the resources to do this type of stuff.
- 14:48And it's like this is where where you come in,
- 14:50I mentioned earlier, if you have a boat and you're going from lake to lake,
- 14:54which is fine. I want we want people to be on lakes.
- 14:56But the thing is you should clean,
- 14:58drain, and dry every time you move a boat,
- 15:01canoe or kayak, anything, or a paddle board even,
- 15:04from one lake or river to another.
- 15:06Sometimes it just takes a couple of larvae pieces to attach onto
- 15:09a paddleboard and then it goes into another lake and it starts to
- 15:12it starts to invade that lake,
- 15:14Clean off any kind of plants, mud.
- 15:17Anything struck under the hull or a trailer,
- 15:19Drain all the water, anything that will go into the water,
- 15:22like clean them off, drain all the water,
- 15:24including the bilge and live wells.
- 15:27Let everything dry before you launch somewhere new.
- 15:29And in Ontario, it's it's pretty much the law.
- 15:31Since January 1st, 2022, you have to remove aquatic plants and animals
- 15:37and drain the water before you move the boat overland.
- 15:39Fines could run up to at least $350,
- 15:42which doesn't sound like much,
- 15:43but for a recreational boater,
- 15:44you don't want to have to pay that much.
- 15:46we saw a zebra mussel spread from the Great Lakes to inland lakes,
- 15:50largely on boats and trailers.
- 15:51And the ballast ruse close the big door,
- 15:54they're less likely to come in through through the ports.
- 15:57you clean, drain, and dry, that closes the small ones.
- 16:00you're the one who's who's holding them shut.
- 16:03Like we want to close these doors.
- 16:05We want to close these areas that they can come in.
- 16:07Now, this week we had five episodes.
- 16:09The first episode was all about the different types of pollution.
- 16:12Then we broke down four different types of pollution,
- 16:14Sewage in New York, drugs in the lake,
- 16:16plastic in Canada, invasives in in the Great Lakes.
- 16:20Obviously, a focus on Canada because I'm Canadian.
- 16:22I'm I'm close to these ~ ideas,
- 16:24but this is happening all around the world.
- 16:25And the pattern is pretty much every time.
- 16:28We find where the problem comes from,
- 16:30we act on it, and give nature time.
- 16:32It responds faster than most people expect.
- 16:36You'd be surprised when policies go into place.
- 16:38Getting them in there sometimes is tough,
- 16:40but once they're in place and they're enforced properly,
- 16:42they work. Like look at the Great Lakes.
- 16:45It was home to over 150 non-native species,
- 16:49invasive species, Once a bit more often than any other freshwater system on Earth,
- 16:53and is probably one of the biggest freshwater systems on Earth.
- 16:56And now it's holding the door shut,
- 16:57like with ships flushing their their tanks at at sea and boaters cleaning their
- 17:01hulls at the launch. pollution can breed,
- 17:04sure. And it can spread and it can hide.
- 17:06And we've shown again and again that we can stop it.
- 17:09All we have to do is put the policies in place and enforce those policies once
- 17:12they're in. Mistakes happen. Sometimes they're bigger than others.
- 17:15Totally understand. as the world becomes more globalist and we're we're
- 17:19all mixing in, we have to ensure that there are
- 17:23Policies and regulations in place and laws enforced to ensure that everything
- 17:27is not being changed. one study that I was a part of,
- 17:30it was really just a more of a exercise,
- 17:33I guess, is we looked at how similar the fish populations got within
- 17:37the Great Lakes over years. So we had data all the way back from the 1800s,
- 17:41and we looked at it presently at the time was like mid 2016 and we or mid 2012.
- 17:46And I I looked at it.
- 17:48Like as the years went by, the decades went by,
- 17:51we started to see a like it it was less diverse and more similar because
- 17:56of the lock system, because of all the travel,
- 17:59these fish are able to get into different places and there are certain fish that
- 18:03will dominate others. And it changes the diversity,
- 18:06it changes the biodiversity that we see,
- 18:08and it can switch up the system.
- 18:10Having other species that come in from other places around the world that
- 18:14can take advantage of these like Asian carps and so forth,
- 18:17that becomes a dangerous situation because it can change habitat.
- 18:20Anything that changes habitat can really have an effect on the populations that
- 18:24are here, whether they're fish or invertebrate populations.
- 18:26And this happens not only in in the Great Lakes or in lake systems
- 18:29and freshwater systems. This is happening in the oceans.
- 18:31We just saw that with the lionfish.
- 18:33It's great to see them in the southeast Pacific,
- 18:35but not in the Caribbean, not in the Atlantic.
- 18:38which we gotta make sure that we keep them where they belong and to make sure that
- 18:41the systems where they are are pretty safe.
- 18:43And this happens in ecology all the time.
- 18:46~ and it and it changes how a system will run with underwater.
- 18:51And I think we have to be very careful on how that diversity gets affected
- 18:55in that way. But that's it for today's episode.
- 18:57I would love to hear your thoughts.
- 18:58If you're listening to this on Spotify,
- 19:00I love Spotify because it has a comment section.
- 19:02I normally listen on Apple, but I'd love Spotify for the comment section.
- 19:05So let me know what you think about this episode in Invasive Species.
- 19:08If you have a story to share, love to hear that.
- 19:10Also, you can just hit me up on my socials.
- 19:13The links are in the show notes to see to have that conversation.
- 19:16Cause this is the beginning of that conversation.
- 19:17Unfortunately, podcasting, I can't get responses back quickly,
- 19:20but I would love to hear what you think.
- 19:22because ideas are what leads to solutions.
- 19:25And we really need a lot of solutions.
- 19:27So thank you so much for joining us.
- 19:28Thanks for being a part of this community I can't wait to talk to you next time.
- 19:31This has been another episode of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.
- 19:34I'm your host, Angela. Have a great day.
- 19:35We'll talk to you next time and happy conservation.