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3/30/26: Oil Crisis Expands, Israel Blocks Palm Sunday, Scientists Go Missing, Larry Wilkerson On Iran War · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: Joining us now to talk about the rapidly escalating economic
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  Speaker 1: poly crisis. We have zab Amari, who is the editor
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  Speaker 1: of Unheard.
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  Speaker 2: Great to see Usora, good to see you man, Thank you,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. So let's start with the picture with
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  Speaker 1: regards to oil, which is not looking great. We can
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  Speaker 1: put C four up on the screen here. So as
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  Speaker 1: of this morning, right now in the markets, I think
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  Speaker 1: WTI is at about one hundred and one dollars, Brent
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  Speaker 1: is at whatsager like one point fifteen somewhere around there.
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  Speaker 1: But we have this Bloomberg analysis where a lot of
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  Speaker 1: analysts are saying this is going to get a lot worse.
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  Speaker 1: That reality has not completely sunk in. So what they
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  Speaker 1: say is the biggest oil supply shock in history has
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  Speaker 1: reached the one month mark. Prices of surge, growth forecasts
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  Speaker 1: are being cut worldwide. Shortages are emerging across Asia, Thailand
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  Speaker 1: to Pakistan. But the energy industry is warning the crisis
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  Speaker 1: is only beginning, and they float the possibility of oil
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  Speaker 1: going to two one hundred dollars a barrel. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: are you in agreement with this analysis that we have
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  Speaker 1: not even grappled yet with the reality of how bad
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  Speaker 1: things are currently, let alone how bad things are going
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  Speaker 1: to get.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I tend to agree with some more gloomy analysts
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  Speaker 3: out there, the reason being that what's not taking into
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  Speaker 3: account is the difference between this crisis and the nineteen
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  Speaker 3: seventies oil crisis that followed the the Young Kippur War.
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  Speaker 3: In that case, it was a matter of a political
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  Speaker 3: decision by the Opek, the Arab OPEK members to shut
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  Speaker 3: off or turn on the tap, right, That's all that
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  Speaker 3: that was involved, and once they decided politically to turn
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  Speaker 3: the tap back on, oil float again. In this case,
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  Speaker 3: the reason why this could be much more severe than
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  Speaker 3: the nineteen seventies poly crises that are related to oil
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  Speaker 3: is the fact that even if the political decision were there,
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  Speaker 3: if the political will were there to turn the tap
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  Speaker 3: back on, there is damage to the entire ecosystem that
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  Speaker 3: makes possible the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf
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  Speaker 3: through the Strait of Hormuz and into the global markets.
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  Speaker 3: You have severe damage to oil facilities in Obviously the
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  Speaker 3: GCC states, to varying degrees, some Iranian strikes have hit
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  Speaker 3: those in response to, I should say to Israeli attacks
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  Speaker 3: on Iranian oil infrastructure. You have shut in fields in Iraq,
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  Speaker 3: where you know, a country that in given day you
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  Speaker 3: have like four point three million barrels is now down
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  Speaker 3: to like one point six million barrels. And after a while,
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  Speaker 3: when fields are shut in for a long time, it
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  Speaker 3: takes a long time to turn them back on. So again,
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  Speaker 3: even if Iran tomorrow were to capitulate, which doesn't look
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  Speaker 3: likely at all, and we're to reopen the straits of Hormuz,
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  Speaker 3: the fundamental structural problem, the damage, the fact that in
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  Speaker 3: many of these cases, for example, and that this is
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  Speaker 3: not oil with LNG, but the Qataris have called force
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  Speaker 3: majure for three to five years. So that's all going
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  Speaker 3: to take a long time to get back online. And
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  Speaker 3: during that time, you're going to see price spikes. You're
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  Speaker 3: going to see you know, right now, I just read
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  Speaker 3: today in the New York Times that you know, two
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  Speaker 3: Australian states, two of their provinces have made public transit
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  Speaker 3: free and response, you're going to see more and more
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  Speaker 3: of that. You're going to see fertilizer plants that rely
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  Speaker 3: on petrochemical products go offline. That affects farming. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the the ramifications are huge and legitimately like mad Max
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  Speaker 3: level terrifying. And the crazy thing is that it was
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  Speaker 3: all a choice. It was a war of choice. It
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  Speaker 3: was Donald Trump and his coterie deciding to do this,
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  Speaker 3: not something that was imposed on the United States or
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  Speaker 3: the world the way like the pandemic was, where it
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  Speaker 3: was just this random freak event. And okay, whom can
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  Speaker 3: you blame here? There is blame. It's like Bed and
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so crazy.
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  Speaker 4: So let's put C two up there on the screen
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  Speaker 4: actually to under you know, basically to underscore what you're saying.
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  Speaker 4: This is from the Atlantic Welcome to a multi dimensional
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  Speaker 4: economic disaster. And what they specifically tie here is the
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  Speaker 4: AI boom to a lot of the cheap energy, and
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  Speaker 4: of course the data center already build out and drain
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  Speaker 4: that all of these AI data centers were already having
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  Speaker 4: on our power grade. This does not at all reflect
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  Speaker 4: a situation where you're going to have massive increases not
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  Speaker 4: only an energy cross globally, but they also talk about
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  Speaker 4: how the Gulf Arab States are basically the guaranteurs and
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  Speaker 4: investors of some one hundred billions of dollars into these companies.
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  Speaker 4: These AI companies are basically the backbone of the US
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  Speaker 4: stock market, and SOB you and I, you know, we've
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  Speaker 4: been deeply concerned about the US industrial base now for
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  Speaker 4: quite some time. So we could have a financial crisis,
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  Speaker 4: an energy shock, and we're already going through effectively an
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  Speaker 4: industrialization or a reverse industrialization as a result already of
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  Speaker 4: nearly the last year of policy. Like what does that
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  Speaker 4: look like, not just for Trump's agenda, but for all
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  Speaker 4: of us, as you're saying, in the health of our country.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So the one spot, as you said, at least
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  Speaker 3: on equities markets, was were all these AI companies and
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  Speaker 3: the whole AI revolution and the potential growth that was
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  Speaker 3: that it was driving, even as it also threatened joblessness,
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  Speaker 3: I should say. But that was in two ways dependent
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  Speaker 3: on on cheap energy. One was, of course you mentioned
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  Speaker 3: that you know, the data centers take enormous energy to run. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: that's one. And second it was also dependent on just
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  Speaker 3: oil flowings. And therefore these Arab states having money that
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  Speaker 3: they can then invest in these projects, they're not going
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  Speaker 3: to invest if they're not making money. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: very it's as simple as that. So that's like a
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  Speaker 3: double blow to the economy like one of the few
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  Speaker 3: bright spots in the US and the US economy that
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  Speaker 3: otherwise was lagging in other ways, that had been way
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  Speaker 3: too much focused on services and and and kind of
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  Speaker 3: low level services and high level financial services and so on. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: but now we're we're at the cutting edge of the
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  Speaker 3: AI revolution, or we were until this war was launched.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have my issues with the AI revolution, but
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that if the bubble pops, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be extremely painful. And let me just read because
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  Speaker 1: there's one other angle of the hit to AI here
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  Speaker 1: that was not immediately apparent to me that the Atlantic
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  Speaker 1: lays out in this piece. They say one of the
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  Speaker 1: clearest examples of the problems are advanced memory and training chips,
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  Speaker 1: which are among the most important are by far the
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  Speaker 1: most expensive components of training any AI model. Currently, most
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  Speaker 1: of these are produced by two companies in South Korea
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  Speaker 1: and one in Taiwan, is something all of US have
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  Speaker 1: focused a lot on. These countries in turn get a
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  Speaker 1: large majority of their crude oil and much of their LNG,
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  Speaker 1: which helped fuel semiconductor manufacturing from the Persian Gulf. The
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  Speaker 1: chip companies also require helium, sulfur and bromine, three keyt
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  Speaker 1: inputs to silicon wafers, largely sourced also from the region.
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  Speaker 1: In addition, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, and other regional
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  Speaker 1: petro states have become keaton backs in the American AI
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  Speaker 1: firms that purchase most of those chips. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that's a really important example. But I also think so
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  Speaker 1: up that it just underscores. You know, it's almost impossible
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  Speaker 1: to wrap your head around the disruptions here. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the best analog we can look to is our recent
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  Speaker 1: past history history with the combination of the Russia Ukraine
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  Speaker 1: War and COVID obviously, which just screwed up supply chains
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  Speaker 1: in a million ways ways that even you know, experts
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  Speaker 1: could not fully anticipate. How it would you create problems
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  Speaker 1: and backlogs that would then go onto fuel inflation and
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  Speaker 1: have all of these residual both real economic and political effects.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so infuriating, this may scary, terrifying. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know which objective to pick, but I read in
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  Speaker 3: The Times also today that President Trump had said at
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  Speaker 3: one point, well, I'm not worried about the oil because
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  Speaker 3: it's really the Asian countries that are most dependent on
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  Speaker 3: Persian gulf oil. And while that may be true, it
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  Speaker 3: reveals such profound ignorance of what a fun jimal commodity
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  Speaker 3: like oil is like. Right, if you pinch supply in
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  Speaker 3: one corner of the world, prices rise everywhere else, and
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  Speaker 3: and and and and and just in general that you
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  Speaker 3: gum up the whole economy when you do that. So
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  Speaker 3: unless you're willing to impose domestic for the US export
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  Speaker 3: controls right where we don't, we don't we keep our
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  Speaker 3: own oil for ourselves, and that could also cause all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of problems unless we're willing to do that. The
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  Speaker 3: fact that you know, this very important choke point in
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  Speaker 3: the global economy is being squeezed is also bad for
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  Speaker 3: the United States. It was just part of this broader
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  Speaker 3: mentality where I think the the American right and the
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  Speaker 3: Trumpeans got too high on their own supply. Yes, the
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  Speaker 3: US is blessed in many many ways. We have we
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  Speaker 3: became the world's largest energy exporter in the world. We
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  Speaker 3: have these two oceans, you know, protecting us from any
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  Speaker 3: kind of immediately enemy or anything like that. So there's
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  Speaker 3: there's these natural advantages this natural bounty that the United
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  Speaker 3: the United States has, and all Americans should be grateful
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  Speaker 3: for it. But there are limits, right, we might want
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  Speaker 3: to deglobalize, and I've never been a fan of the
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  Speaker 3: kind of globalization that was that revealed its limits during COVID,
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  Speaker 3: where suddenly realized that supply chains were way too far
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  Speaker 3: flong and at the in position of the slightest straight
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  Speaker 3: stress they would snap, and you know, we couldn't produce
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  Speaker 3: our own mass or protective equipment and so on. That
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  Speaker 3: was a problem, and we should move toward maybe a
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  Speaker 3: less globalized world. I agree with that, but still we
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  Speaker 3: are living in a globalized world to some extent, so
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  Speaker 3: that you know, this attitude of oh well, beggar thy neighbor,
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  Speaker 3: it's just going to be China's or India's problem if
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  Speaker 3: oil stops flowing out of the Persian Gulf is stupid
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  Speaker 3: and it's arrogant, and I think we're all going to
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  Speaker 3: pay the consequences for it.
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  Speaker 4: And to that point, I actually I think we have
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  Speaker 4: a good piece here. Let's put C six up here
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  Speaker 4: on the screen. How the Iran war has alreadyrippled across
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  Speaker 4: the world. Now, as you said, look, it might be
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  Speaker 4: China or India's problem. It might be South Korea's problem.
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  Speaker 4: South Korea, by the way, is oh I don't know
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  Speaker 4: a top ten trading partner, so as Japan last time
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  Speaker 4: I checked. They're pointing out South Koreans are being told
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  Speaker 4: by their president to take shorter showers. In Thailand another
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  Speaker 4: actually vital ally in the region. They're saying, you need
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that you're wearing short sleeves to work
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  Speaker 4: so that we can cap air conditioner use. I'm we're
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  Speaker 4: looking at news out of India where this is personally
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  Speaker 4: tragic for me and for all the white tourists in
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  Speaker 4: New Deli. Butter chicken has now disappeared from Indian menus
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  Speaker 4: because they don't have the cooking gas to be able
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  Speaker 4: to make it dosa. Apparently there's a huge shortage. I
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  Speaker 4: talked to my family recently. They're rashing cooking gas and
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  Speaker 4: they're looking at it. Their Sri Lanka is taking shortages
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  Speaker 4: there as shortages, and they're actually encouraging the work week
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  Speaker 4: to reduce and c seven. This is part of the
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  Speaker 4: point of what you're talking about, is that the Asian
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  Speaker 4: shortage has already hit because of the way the tankers
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  Speaker 4: move across the globe. But what this map shows is
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  Speaker 4: that actually we're about two weeks away from some of
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  Speaker 4: the major impacts and closure simply because of length of
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  Speaker 4: the tankers. Now, the big question, as you said earlier,
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  Speaker 4: is about Donald Trump and his hubris by getting us
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  Speaker 4: into this situation, but solving a crisis like this, from
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  Speaker 4: what we saw during COVID not exactly his strong suit.
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  Speaker 4: So what do you think that the actual impact of
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  Speaker 4: this shortage will look like in terms of his administration,
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  Speaker 4: who are clearly scrambling, like, realistically, what can they do
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  Speaker 4: to get us out of this?
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  Speaker 3: I really don't know, because what it comes down to
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  Speaker 3: is recognizing, strategically speaking, that Iran has this had always
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  Speaker 3: this potential to close the straits of horror moves, that
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  Speaker 3: they were able to always do that, and now they've
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  Speaker 3: exercised it, and there's no return, there's no easy return
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  Speaker 3: to the status quo anti. In other words, the Iranians
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  Speaker 3: will want as part of any negotiated settlement, they will
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  Speaker 3: want some control over the state of home moves, and
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  Speaker 3: we should try to negotiate that. But the point is
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  Speaker 3: that that looks to the US An enormous strategic blow. Right,
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  Speaker 3: we expended all this energy, and at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day you have to grant the Iranians what they
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  Speaker 3: always possessed but now have decided to exercise in response
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  Speaker 3: to this war. So that's a blow to US strategic prestige,
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  Speaker 3: a really potent, incalculable blow. We can't even begin to
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  Speaker 3: measure the scale of it. Otherwise you're going to be
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  Speaker 3: facing obviously a blood bath in November in the in
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  Speaker 3: the elections, you're still going to unface that. It's only
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  Speaker 3: a question of how bloody the blood blood bath will be.
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  Speaker 3: But if you think about it, there's a great tweet
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  Speaker 3: this morning. I saw someone said the objective of the
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  Speaker 3: war has become to restore the status goo anty before
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  Speaker 3: the war. Dumbest war ever. It really is, like, what
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  Speaker 3: is the point of this operation now? Is to open
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  Speaker 3: the straight up harm moves which was opened before we
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  Speaker 3: went in none of the other The regime hasn't collapsed,
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  Speaker 3: its will has hardened. You know, it can still fire
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  Speaker 3: ballistic missiles. As a front story in the New York
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  Speaker 3: Times today basically saying the US keeps saying, you know,
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  Speaker 3: five one hundred percent of Iran's capacity has been destroyed.
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  Speaker 3: And that very evening, you know, an Iranian missile will
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  Speaker 3: fall on some US facility in Saudi Arabia and destroy
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  Speaker 3: a very kind of expensive command and control aircraft. So
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  Speaker 3: what's the point anymore? And again, I think the endpoint
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  Speaker 3: will be some capitulation, some recognition of Iran's ability to
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  Speaker 3: control the straight of hornor moves. And that's like a
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  Speaker 3: Vietnam level debacle in terms of a blow to US prestige,
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  Speaker 3: which hurts me as an American to think that we'd
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  Speaker 3: have to do that.
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  Speaker 2: I would.
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  Speaker 1: So I wanted to get your reaction to Trump's truth
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  Speaker 1: this morning, which obviously directly relates to the war, it
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  Speaker 1: also relates to the economic outlook. Appears to be another
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  Speaker 1: yet another Trumpian blatant attempt at market manipulation. Here he
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  Speaker 1: watches the treasury bond yields very closely. He watches obviously
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  Speaker 1: the oil market, the stock market very closely. And so
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  Speaker 1: this morning each waited out or truth down. The United
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  Speaker 1: States of America is in serious discussions with a new
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  Speaker 1: and more reasonable regime to end our military operations in Iran.
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  Speaker 1: Great progress has been made, but if for any reason
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  Speaker 1: a deal is not shortly reached, which it probably will be,
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  Speaker 1: and if the Hornmonu Street is not immediately open for business,
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  Speaker 1: we will conclude our lovely stay in Iran by blowing
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  Speaker 1: up and completely obliterating all of their electric generating plants,
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  Speaker 1: oil wells and carg island, and possibly all desalinization plants
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  Speaker 1: which we have purposely yet not yet touched these. This
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  Speaker 1: is him pre announcing war crimes. By the way, this
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  Speaker 1: will be in retribution for our many soldiers and others
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  Speaker 1: that Iran has butchered and killed over the old regime's
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  Speaker 1: forty seven year reign of terror. Thank you for your
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  Speaker 1: attention to this matter. I think people probably know you're
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  Speaker 1: not a fan of the Iranian regime. You are quite
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  Speaker 1: a viciferous critic of the current government in Iran. But
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  Speaker 1: what do you make of what Trump is claiming here
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  Speaker 1: about how there's a new more moderate regime in place
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  Speaker 1: that he's totally working on a deal with.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know where to begin it. That's such a
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  Speaker 3: like a kind of stupidities, pile the top stupidies. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know where to start. So first of all, I
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  Speaker 3: watch Iranian state TV. You know, twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 3: Just to read the mood. There is no in the regime,
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  Speaker 3: is there. It's called the Islamic Republic of Iran. It's
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  Speaker 3: become more militarized. What's happened is all the restraining forces,
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  Speaker 3: which believe it or not. As much as a fan
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  Speaker 3: of I was not by him, he defined my life.
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  Speaker 3: The course of my life would have been completely different
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  Speaker 3: if he weren't around. By Iata Lahamine was a restraining
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  Speaker 3: force relative to the kind of younger commanders that are
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  Speaker 3: in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. These are the people
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  Speaker 3: who are in charge now. There is no indication. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: they're taking heavy, heavy blows, but they think that they
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  Speaker 3: have they to I'm going to use a polite word
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  Speaker 3: for it, instead of what comes to mind. They think
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  Speaker 3: that they have the United States in an economic and
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  Speaker 3: energy vice script, and they're gonna squeeze and squeeze until
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  Speaker 3: there is a kind of humiliating cry to uncle. And again, yes,
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna take enormous hits. But this is a huge,
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  Speaker 3: huge country of nine million people, four times the size
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  Speaker 3: of Iraq. It's going to take a long time for
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  Speaker 3: it to wear down. Long before that Trump with the
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  Speaker 3: economic pain will be sort of too much for Trump.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the first thing, is that his assertion that
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  Speaker 3: Iran is you know, has the regime has changed, there's
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  Speaker 3: just no sign of that. Second, the hitting of the
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  Speaker 3: desalination plants. Actually, Iran relies very little on these kinds
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  Speaker 3: of plants. It's America, is Gulf Allies and Israel that
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  Speaker 3: are much more dependent on these sorts of facilities. And
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  Speaker 3: as Iran has proved, it can hit those and create
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  Speaker 3: calamitous effects for lots and lots of people who live
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  Speaker 3: in those in those countries. And again same thing with
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  Speaker 3: the electricity infrastructure, the power plants, they can they can
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  Speaker 3: do that just as quickly, except Iran's electricity system and
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  Speaker 3: the grid is far less centralized, so that if you
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  Speaker 3: hit a single plant, it won't have the kind of
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  Speaker 3: effect that it would have. For example, if you do
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  Speaker 3: it did an analogous thing. If they did the analogous
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  Speaker 3: thing to a country like Israel, whose you know, power
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  Speaker 3: system is much more centralized, you hit one note and boom,
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  Speaker 3: Israel goes into darkness. So, I mean, these threats aren't everyone.
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  Speaker 3: This is not some secret intelligence it's all this all
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: in the public records. So it just this stuff that
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: he says, like it was funny when he was about
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Rosie O'Donnell a decade ago. This kind of bluster, it's
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: really really depressing as scary when it's you know, the
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: world on the precipice of geopolitical and geoeconomic calamity, and.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: You don't detect as you're watching Iranian state TV, you
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: don't detect any of their tends to sort of like
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: soften the line and create an opening to sell to
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the public some sort of you don't see any of that,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: not at all.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Every night it's about revenge, the Daughters of menab the
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: school that got hit early in the operation, you know,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: and this is a culture that thrives on martyrdom Islam.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: So every time you kill a commander, he creates like
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: a mini the only like the closest equivalent is a
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Catholic cult to the Saints. Like it becomes some new
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: basis or it'll be you know, they killed actually they
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: hit a police station, the Israelis did, and they hit
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: a street sweeper, just a guy, like a random guy.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: So of course he becomes like this, you know, his
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: coffin is laid out and people line up in huge
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: numbers to touch the coffin and then rub it on
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: their faces to get like a blessing from his active martyrdom.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: That's the kind of people you're talking about. And again,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: so much of the perception about what Iran is or
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: the kind of people is driven by this. You know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I'm part of it, This Iranian diaspora, very secular, very embittered.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I understand the embitteredness about the regime. But they they
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: led us, I think they led us policymakers for years
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: to believe that that's how all Iranians are and forget that. No,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: it's a scheite Muslim country. Lots and lots of people
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: are not cynical about their religion. When you hear when
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: they talk about you know, Imam Hussein and Martyrdom Carbala
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: and all this sort of iconography of bloodied saints who
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: give their lives for a greater cause, they like really
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: mean it. Yeah, I mean it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: That's a good transition to talk about what unfolded in
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Jerusalem and this international religious crisis. And we brought you
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: in as a Catholic to explain some of these things
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to us. So in any case, Israeli police blocked on
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Palm Sunday, Cardinal Pizzabalah, who is the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: from entering the Church of the Holy Sepulcher for Palm
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Sunday services. Now because of the security situation. My understanding,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: SOB is that he knew, you know, we're not going
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: to be able to do our normal thing here, but
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: we're going to come in, we're going to broadcast to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: you know, to the world, to the global Catholic community,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: and he was blocked from doing that. You know, they
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: expressed their outrage. We got a Huckabee statement, et cetera.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: So first, if you could just if we could just
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: start there, these realis have now sort of like back down, apologizes,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: et cetera. I'll get to that in a moment, but
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: if you could just explain why this was such a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: significant thing for Catholics the world over.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, it's because Church of the Holy Sepulcher,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: where Chris, not just Catholics, whe Christians believe, you know, Jesus'
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: body was late to rest after his death, and so
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: that's very important. And Palm Sunday begins Holy Week, the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: most the holiest week of the of the Catholic and
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Christian liturgical calendar. And it's been centuries since the Latin
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: patriarch who represents the Catholic Church in the Holy Land
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: has been unable to access. I mean, through all the
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: vicissitudes of the centuries, all these wars and things like that,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: he was still had been able to access the Church
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: of the Holy Sepulcher. So that's a very it's a
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: very very serious and grave thing. Now we can get
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: into it. My understanding, to be fair to this is
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: it sounds like some middling kind of middle level policemen
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: did something stupid. But the reason why I think it
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: touched off this wider outrage is if this were a
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: single incident on its own, you could sort of say, okay, well,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: you know, it is what it is, but it's patched over.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: But it comes in this larger context of an Israeli
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: society where this kind of sectarian chauvinism to which the
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Jews themselves had long been subjected, you know, elsewhere, has
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: now become increasingly prevalent. You know, the sort of the
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: youths who go around roughing up Catholic owned Christian owned
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: businesses that attempts to squeeze out the Armenian Quarter, the
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: spitting on Christian evangelizers and this kind of stuff. So
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: it comes within this wider context that's much more febrile
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: in the Old City than it had been. It comes
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: in a context in which the police forces, ultimately the
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: domestic security forces in Israel are led by Minister ben Vier,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: who is this convicted even byder Israel's own law, is
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: a convicted felon and a kind of really nasty ethno
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: chauvinist figure. He is basically kind of like an Israeli
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: equivalent of a kind of Serbian, you know, national chauvinist
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: that's from the nineteen nineties. And it comes against the
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: context of of course that during the Gaza War, the
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: shelling of the Holy Family Church, the Catholic parish in Gaza,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: and the attacks on the West Bank on all. By
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the way, I should say, one of the things that
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: bothers me as a Catholic is the way sometimes people
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: speak up for people for Palestinians in the West Bank,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: but only emphasize the Christians. It's like whatever horror is
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: visited upon the Muslim Arabs, it's like, oh, well, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: but don't do this to the Christian and of course
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I have a degree of extra solidarity as a Christian
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: with fellow Christians.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: However, you know, the.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Rising kind of settler aggression in the West Bank effects
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: not just Christians but others as well. So sorry that
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: was a long answer. But the piece against the backdrop
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: of all of this, then that single incident of a
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: policeman probably just doing something stupid, stands.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Out in a way that wouldn't have otherwise. Probably.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you making that point because I think
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it's a really important one about how Look, I think
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: we can all be honest. There's a lot of Islamophobia
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: in this country in general, and there's a lot of
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Islamophobia specifically within the Republican Party. They sometimes I mean,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you ask Laura Lumri, she'll tell you outright, not shy
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: about it. And so to me, when you see an
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: incident like this, you know, I'm a secular person, but
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I believe everybody should be able to practice their faith.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I believe in basic human rights being you know, applied
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: equally regardless of your faith, or your color, or your greed.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And so to me, part of what you get from
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: this is, oh, you think they're just going to attack
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: or hate like the fake people you've otherwised as like
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a bad guy. No, no, no, this applies across the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: board once you have this ethno supremacist ideology and culture.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I look, I think I became much
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: more I'll be honest, I became much more vocal about
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: what was happening in Gaza in the wake of the
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Holy Family shelling. But I think I'm not alone in that.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Lots of lots of concerned right of center Christians and
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Catholics then started to feel like, well, they can also,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: they should, They can and should speak up for civilians
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: in Gaza generally, rather than just merely our own coreligionists. Because,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: after all, the whole parable of the Good Samaritan is
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: a reminder that, you know, the idea of who my
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: neighbor is should be uncomfortable for Christians. You should not
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: be just merely my kin. That would be easy to
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: count my own either bloodkin or religious fellow kin as
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: my neighbor. It's much more the Christian challenge to see
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the other who is different from me also as belonging
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: to God ultimately being made in the image of Gonzagar.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: From what I can tell this cardinal has exemplified that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: spirit of Christianity as well.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was talking to Chrysol earlier. I mean he
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: offered himself. I know he was being attacked yesterday. Storre
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: of you noted this, I think by Laura Lumer for
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: wearing a cafea. He literally offered himself in exchange for
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: in Israeli hostage. And after many of those strikes, took
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: great aims to actually I think he went to Gaza
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: right and actually in the ruins of this church which
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: was struck, just to make sure that these people were
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: religiously ministered to. So this is somebody who genuinely does
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: live up to that. Now to your point, let's put
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: D two up there on the screen. The Israelis are
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: now saying that the Israel temporarily asked worshippers from all
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: fates not to worship at the holy sites to protect them.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: They have since reversed that policy. For the next one
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: guy's D three Prime Minister net and Yahoo saying that
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: I have instructed the relevant authorities that he'd be granted
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: full and immediate access. But to the point, overall point
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: of what you are making from what I saw nowhere
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: at this time was any rabbi or Jewish worshiper told
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: that they could not go to some of the holier
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: sites for in Jerusalem. And that kind of demonstrates the problems,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: like you said, with the police force and with many
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: of the other people who are genuinely in charge and
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: empowered in Israel, even including Ben Gavie Smotritz and some
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: of these like full blown Serbian style ethno nationalists. Now,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I guess bigger picture, and I think this is what
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: matters more than anything. What I want to continue on
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: strategically is this invasion of Lebanon. Guys, let's put the
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: next one up there on the screen. We have the
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister just yesterday this is basically nowhere in terms
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: of its coverage in the US has ordered the military
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: now to expand the invasion of southern Lebanon to include
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: all the way up to a further porter that would
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: put some one million people, one million people who will
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: be displaced, and they're even saying internally in the country
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: they can never be allowed to return. Chrystal said earlier,
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: so that this is actually larger square footage actually in
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: terms of land than Russia did whenever in its current
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: invasion of Ukraine or occupation of elements of Ukraine, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: yet there is silence actually not only from Western media
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: but really from Western governments around the globe. What do
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: you think the lasting impacts of this occupation and probably
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: annexation of Lebanon will be.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I think that of all people,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the Jewish people should be uncomfortable with population transfers. I mean,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: you know, look at Israel's founding, there was a massive,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: obviously population transfer that happened. It's because the Arab States
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: rejected Israel's creation and wage war and they lost that war.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: And in that time, in the aftermath of World War Two,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: it was quite common to move populations around en mass
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: in order to create new nation states. So therefore, I
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: don't actually, you guys might disagree, but I don't blame
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Israel uniquely as being at because that happened when Israel,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: when India and Pakistan were separated from each other. That
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: happened of course to lots of German speaking populations across
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Europe in the wake of World War Two. It's why
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: the city of Dunzick, the German city of Duncik, became
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: the poly city of Gadunsk. So that is a in
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: the nineteen forties. As recently as the nineteen forties, the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: mid twentieth century, it was still like a norm, a terrible,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: terrible norm. But we were supposed to have then since then,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to have learned from that and think that moving populations
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: around willy nilly, and it's kind of suffering that that
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: imposes is not something we do because, for one thing,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: for Israel's own security, it breeds another generation of Lebanese
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: or Godsans who are on the move or have been
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: forced into camps and so on, and are extremely embittered.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: So tactically it's bad, but also morally again, I think
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: that if there's one of the lessons of the Jewish
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: twentieth century is not to move populations around in this
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: way and just you know, to openly talk about it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, I saw an op ed in the Jerusalem Puss. Again,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: it's not even the newspaper's view, to be fair, it's
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: just the single op ed, but it was like, well,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: you know, we really need to move people out of Gaza.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Was basically upshot again, like this kind of talk has
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: become completely normalized, is.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this yeah, I saw that op ed
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: that was just outright calling for ethnic cleansing. And they say, oh, well,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: if we don't want to be the oppressors forever, then
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I guess we just have to get rid of the people.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: As if that's as exactly as if that's a moral
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: or ethical approach. Last question I have for you, so
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: if we could actually just go back to the net
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yaho tweet here about you know him basically saying like, okay,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: we've we've changed your mind, but I wanted to linger
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: on the on a piece of this. He says. Over
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the past several days, Iran has repeatedly targeted the holy
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: sites of all three monotheistic religions in Jerusalem with ballistic missiles.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: In one strike, missile fragments crash meters from the Church
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: of the Holy Sepulcher. I've heard him mention this a
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: number of times. It makes me very uncomfortable. There was
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: previously a rabbi who floated, hey, we could do a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: false flag, we could bomb Alexa Mosque, and then we
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: could you know, use that as our excuse. First of all,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: then all the you know Muslim countries, all the Arabs
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: are going to fight against Iran, they're going to be
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: so mad that Iran did this. That will help solve
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the problem. And then second of all, you know, that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: opens it up for their own sort of like you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: views of rebuilding the Temple, which important both to Christians
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and to Jews. But if you could just speak to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: how combustible this situation is, and you know, it's something
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: that I kind of have a hard time as a
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: secular person, have a little bit of a hard time
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: wrapping my head around. I feel like it's a bit
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: of a blind spot for myself because you're right, like
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: people in Iran genuinely hold their faith, right Christian evangelicals,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: they really mean the things that they believe, you know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the you know, the especially more fanatical Jews in Israel,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: like they have certain ideas about how they're going to
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: bring about their own end times fantasies. So could you
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: speak a little bit to that peace as well?
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Well? I think look, does does does the Iranian regime
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: fly some missiles, like including ones with submunitions that are
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: not always accurate and could like a fragment could have
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: hit the Old City, Yes, And so that's like I
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: don't I'm not inclined to think there's some uh, you know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: bb attempt to create a false flag. BB is still
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: has although he has nutters in his orbit, he himself,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I think has his head on straight enough to know
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: and not to mess with things like that. That's my belief. However,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I think to your to your larger point, that that
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: this is a moment of extreme danger for the world,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: in part because of the energy and economic issues that
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: we talked about, and then you layer on top of that,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: or maybe it's the fundament the deep theological issues, which
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: is why I think it's just so irresponsible for the
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Trump administration to get into this war that basically every
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: other predecessor had had resisted, right because again, you you
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: open up this whole world of potential consequences that are
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: very it's very hard to put you know, these in
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: these these these these creatures of Pandora's box. Back inside
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: you have the economic dimension, you have the energy dimension,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: and then you have the religious dimension of potential harm
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: to holy sides. Whoever does it, however does it, whether
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: it's on purpose or accidental. Just this is why you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: George W. Bush wasn't inclined to do this war. This
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: is why Trump himself in his first term was this
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: inclined to do this war. So the fact that this
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: second time around he sort of threw the dice and said,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: you only live once with the most sensitive region in
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: the world, basically is is something from each I can't
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: forgive the Republican Party ever again, like all the other issues,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: the world can go to hell, right, compared to being
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: responsible stewards of that region and not like messing with
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the world in that way. Yeah, the Republican Party, the
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: fact that it could not prevent a president coming to
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: power who would be this irresponsible needs to go away
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: for a long time and meditate. And that's what we
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: will do, I think. I mean, every poll seems to
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: suggest that the midterms are going to be brutal. Probably
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight is going to be brutal. It's just
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: the party is irreformably irresponsible.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, share you more so.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I'm great to see you. Thank you so much. It's
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: great to have your insights on all these issues.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Thanks man. Be well.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Now, we also didn't want to keep our eye off
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: of a very strange story that's happening here on us soil.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: We have multiple missing scientists. We have mysterious drone swarms
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: over us basis. We have a few congressmen which are
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: asking big questions is about this. One of them is
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Representative Eric Burlson, and here is what he had to say.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: General McCasland apparently walked out of his home, left all
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: of his devices and never came back. And Monica Reza,
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: she was on a hike as well and mysteriously disappeared.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And I've heard of others.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: We've already sent a letter. When I first came in,
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: I heard of another gentleman, and I'll keep that name
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: to my out of respect. I sent a letter to
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: the FBI investigating the suspicious suicide of another individual who
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: had worked alongside you know, other whistleblowers like David Grush
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: and Jake Barber who had come forward so their colleague
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: is mysteriously committed suicide. We've already sent the letter to
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: the FBI to investigate that, and that is an ongoing investigation.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: So to catch everybody up on top of this drone store,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: we have all these missing scientists, right and now let's
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: put this one up here on the screen.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: This is E two.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: This was a married mother who vanished last year. Could
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: potentially have actually been tied to these missing and dead
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: US scientists. This fills in some of the gaps that
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Representative Burlson was saying big picture for those who haven't
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: tuned into the story at all, we have about five
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: missing scientists all across the nation. NASA engineers major figures
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: at the Air Force Research Laboratory. Many of them were
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: actually overseeing like futuristic metal for rocket engines in terms
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: of their projects. One of them, obviously, is this retired
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: General William mcclaskin. Now, his disappearance is really strange because
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: we had previous incidents involving Wright Patterson Air Force Base,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: and the tying of all these things together has had
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: a lot of people in the UFO community really concerned about, like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: what exactly is happening here we were talking. I mean,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: your mind immediately starts to go to like three.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Body Problem if you've ever had that book.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: But I mean, look, I don't know how crazy that
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: is because now we're also in a time of war,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: and in that time of war, what we've actually seen
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: are all of these drones that have just been hovering
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: apparently over a US Air Force base. Can we skip
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: ahead to E five, please, because in the midst of
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: this missing scientists wave, we have quote multiple waves of
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: unauthorized drones recently spotted over a strategic US Air Force base.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: This was the US Air Force base at Barksdale in Louisiana,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: and it was quote under a shelter in place order
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: on March ninth, so nine days after the US Iran
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: war launched a report of unmanned aerial systems operating over
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: the installations. This is the same Air Force base which
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: houses those B fifty two bombers and plays a critical
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: role in the command and control of the Air Force
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: nuclear defense capabilities. I will note on this one I
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: could see it both ways as a UFO person. Drone
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: swarms over nuclear bases is like UFO like it goes
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: back for decades. This has happened multiple times a strategic
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Air command, specifically the nuclear arsenal, seems to be monitored.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: But when you combine all these things together, in fact
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: that we're at a time of war, you also have
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: to ask the main reason why normal national security officials,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: who are not UFO people at all ever got involved
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: in the story people like Rubio and others, is people
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: in the Air Force and in the Army kept coming
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: to them and go, no, you don't get it, Like
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: there are drones hovering over our bases. There are things
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: that are just monitoring what we're doing, and they're like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: oh my god, this could be Russia or China.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Now the more they dig, it's not Russia or China.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: This one.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I actually could see a situation where this one is Rushao,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: China specifically, also because they're the ones who are helping Iran.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Remember the whole Chinese weather balloon situation. It's not like
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: you would put this out character for all of them,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: but if you put it all together, it's very mysterious
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: and it's scary. And for those who think I'm a kook,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: it doesn't just have to be UFO related. Do you
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: know how many nuclear scientists that we've killed in Iran
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: with the Israelis. The Israelis are black bragging about it
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: right now, how they've killed two missing nuclear scientists already.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Didn't I just read earlier in the A Bloc we
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: hit a specific part of Tehran University. What do you
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: think that's for? It's from military related nuclear related research.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: So this is a campaign, which I mean is very
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Manhattan Project kind of Oppenheimer where it could be UFO related.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: It also could be related here to the war with
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Iron the scientists, though, I should clarify this has been
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: a month long, if a year long thing, so is
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: somewhat disconnected.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: But I do think the stories are linked.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there's three obvious possibilities. One
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: is the connection to the UFO stuff. And by the way,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: part of what really raised eyebrows is the one of
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: these scientists who this one disappeared was the general, Major
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: General William McCasland. And his disappearance occurs shortly after Trump
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: announces like, Okay, we're going to release all of this
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: like UAP material and let you know what's going on there.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Not that we have I think a lot of hope
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: about just how transparent that will be. But that was
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: part of what raised eyebrows. And his is first of all,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the circumstances are very range. Okay, he left Albuquerque on foot,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: like left his home on foot, didn't have his phone,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: there was clothing found again coming right in proximity to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: this UAP directive coming out. He was actually in the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Podesta the twenty sixteen Podesta WikiLeaks emails, as someone who
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: quote had firsthand knowledge of UAPs. He oversees this classified
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: space weapons program at right Patterson. Saga, correct me if
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But that's where the supposed New Mexico. Yes,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: there's that's that's the idea in the UFO conspiracy community
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: is that the craft was taken to this right Patterson airbase.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: It's the subject of a lot of the sort of
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the conspiracies in the space. So when he goes missing
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: in these weird, this weird way, it's very eyebrow raising.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: The other one that is the most eyebrow raising is
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Monica Jacinto Reza, who worked under him under his program.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: She's the one who was studying this you know, very
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: advanced nickel alloy. And again the circumstances are really weird.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: She was hiking with a group of people, not alone,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: hiking with a group of people. Vanishes they were, you know,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: she was some thirty feet away from her companions, and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: then she's just gone and they've found no sign of
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: her whatsoever. Extensive search volunteers, dogs, helicopters, the works, no
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: sign of her whatsoever. So look like I was saying
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: three possibilities. One is some sort of relation to the
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: UP program, perhaps you know, wanting to silence them, etc.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: That's one possibility. The other is foreign intelligence. The other
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: is just a coincidence. You know, it's a violent country. Unfortunately,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: weird and bad things happen all the time. It's certainly
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: not on the realm of possibility that this is all
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: just coincidences. So you've got those two, and then you've
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: got about three others. Some of them are more or
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: less sort of tangentially related. Certainly some of them. I
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: think it's probably like people trying to put pieces together
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: that don't totally fit. But it's enough that a former
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: assistant director the FBI, Swecker, was inner by the New
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: York Post, said hey, these should really be investigated in
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: connection with each other, Like these shouldn't be separate investigations.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: They should at least be looked at, which tells you
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: it's not just cookery. There's at least enough here. And
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Osaga said it certainly wouldn't be the first time that's
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: high level scientists at like the the bleeding edge of
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: you know, nuclear or you know, physical sciences that they
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: would be targeted. And so I think that's why it's
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: at least significant enough to kind of flag here without
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: fully hitting our tinfoil hats off.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Whether it's Russia, well, my hat's on my hat.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think you need the tinfoil hat to look
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: at this and be like this at least bears looking
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: into whether it's lagging, looking into et cetera.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Whether it's Russia, whether it's China, whether it's Tri Solarens.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Everybody has an as an interest in killing scientists, right,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: everybody has an interest in killing I.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Literally just read Three Body Problems, so yeah, So reading
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: that and then seeing this, of course I instantly was like, oh,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: what's going on here?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: The show is.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: It's not the greatest thing ever.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Made, but it was okay.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: It was okay, but we started watching it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I like it so far. It's all right, it's you guys.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: The book is always better, right.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Apparently there's a Chinese version. They did a well in China, obviously, yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Chinese book. So I think China did like a multi
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: episode series where it's like akin to like an HBO
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: style prestige show that's supposed to be good. So if
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I don't even knows where I could watch it, I'll
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: watch it as long as I have subtitles I'd be
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: happy to watch.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, I would check that out too.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Okay, we've got focus and standing by. Let's get to it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: So for more on the Iran War, of are very
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: fortunate to be joined this morning by Lawrence Wilkerson. He's
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a retired US Army colonel. He was former chief of
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: staff to a Secretary of State cole in pal Vietnam
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: veteran and also former faculty member at the US Naval
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: War College, and was a prominent critic of the Iraq War.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Genuinely one of my heroes. Certainly, great to meet you, sir,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and great to have you one just you, sir, could
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: be waiting, yes, of course. So let's go ahead and
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: start with some of the latest Here recent interview that
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: President Trump gave to Financial Times, we can put some
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: of the highlights, if you want to call them that,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: up on the screen here. He told the Financial Times
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: he quote wants to seize Iran's oil.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Quote.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: To be honest with you, my favorite thing is to
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: take the oil in Iran, specifically considering taking carg Island.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: He compares it to Venezuela, saying the US could control
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: oil there indefinitely. Also claims Iran has no real defense. Quote.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think they have any defense. We could take
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: it very easily. Acknowledges that carg Island would require a
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: lengthy occupation. He also says we've bombed thirteen thousand targets,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: We've got about three thousand targets left, and claims that
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: regime change has effectively already happened. So your reaction to
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: some of what President Trump is claiming here in this interview.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: I think we're seeing Donald Trump do his best to
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: create an aura around this decision to go to war
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: and neron that looks successful, and he's having great difficulty
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: doing it, whether marshaling forces to show the American people
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: that he can do that, or whether it's actually describing
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: the situation in Iran. I bring it to my group's attention,
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: and most of them know what I'm talking about. That
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: when I used to be on the game floor in
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: some of the biggest simulations of war games, the United
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: States played Global for example at the Naval War College,
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: where former Secretaries of Defense or in one case, sitting
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: Secretaries of Defense would play the president in the game.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: These were very serious games, and one of the things
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: I would always ask the people on the game floor,
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: is how are you doing or some question like that.
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: And if a Navy captain or an Army colonel came
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: back to me and said, we're accomplish our objectives, I'd
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: take him in the corner and chew his butt out
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: and I would say, that's not what I asked you.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: Are you accomplishing your mission? You can bomb the hell
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: out of the world and accomplish your objectives so many bombs,
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: so many targets, so many airplanes, and not be accomplishing
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: your mission, and they would look back at me with
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: some amazement Ooh oh, is that right, sir? Okay, let
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: me get back to you. That's what I would say here.
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: You can drop all the bombs in the world, you
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: can be accomplishing your plans and all that, but if
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: they aren't leading you to accomplishing your mission, it's nonsense.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: And that's what's happening here, partly because no one has
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: articulated the mission.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Sir. I'm actually really curious, considering your experience in the
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Bush administration. The current plan is now to go in,
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: or at least one floated plan is to go in
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: use US ground troops to seize one thousand pounds of
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: uranium somehow just be on the ground for days or weeks,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: be able to take that without taking any casualties or
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: minimal casualties, potentially with the eighty second Airborne that would
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: be surrounding them from a military strategic level, also genuinely
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: as somebody was engaged, probably in similar conversations there at
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: the time. I mean, how fantastical of a plan is that.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: What are the realities of being able to successfully be
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: able to pull that off, not only just to extract
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: the uranium, but also to make sure that there's minimal
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: US casualties.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: First of all, I don't think General Keen, and I
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: don't know him that well, but I've seen a little
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: bit of his activities, and I know something of his
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: objections to this entire process. They weren't heated, of course,
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: but I don't think anyone is going to give the
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: real evidence or facts of what's going to happen. I
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: see forces moving from Naha and Okinawa the fifteenth MEW,
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: I believe the forward deployed MEW. I see forces moving
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: from southern California, from Washington State, from Fort Kentucky, from Ramstein.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: Of course, all manner of forces moving toward or supposedly towards.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: Some of them haven't even received a warning order yet.
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: If you can believe that the area, what that means
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: in terms of what's been stated, I think is very
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: difficult to ascertain. I hope, probably because the military is
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: obfuscating it and doesn't want anybody, including the enemy, to
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: know what we're going to do. But I think you're
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: right in terms of the array of forces being put down,
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: it looks as if we're going to have some more
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: or less conventional forces to protect as well. They can
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: those special operators who are going in to try and
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: find something that we want, and for what doctor Ted
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: Postal has told me up at Ameriatus, Professor Mit, the
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: most serious thing is and I think Ted's right on this.
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: He thinks, as the North Koreans did and fooled us
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: in two thousand and two. I was there when they
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: did it. They have the capability to match the enriched
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: uranium to the warhead to the crumbshaw or whatever missile
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: and send a new crew weapon at Israel. And they're
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: fast perfecting that deep underground in a laboratory that they
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: built especially for this purpose. If that's the case, I
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: suspect that's principally what we're after. I don't know, but
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: I would say that's probably the main target we're after,
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: and I think we have less than a fifty percent
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: chance of achieving success.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: So you believe that decision may have already been made.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: And how does how does that change the game? You know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: obviously Iran has talked a lot about their goal in
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: this war is to establish some level of deterrence, so
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: they're not constantly being you know, threatened and bombed by
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: the US and by Israelis. So how does the strategic
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: calculus change for US if Iran has decided like, Okay, well,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I guess we're off to the race here.
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: That's a very good question one a group of US
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: were pondering until the wee hours last night. And I
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: think there's another dimension here that is crucial. We have
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: seen devastating accuracy based on truly excellent intelligence all through
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: the region by Iran, from Erbil and Kurdistan to our
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: own embassy in Baghdad to the two aircraft that crashed
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: over Iraq. By the way, one of those aircraft, we
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: have it from good authority, was actually hit by a
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: shoulder fired missile. It wasn't an accident. It actually was
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: hit by a missile and went down to other things
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: that they've done in countries like Bahrain where they destroyed
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: our entire fifth fleet capability and cutter and Saudi Arabia.
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: Now think of this for a moment. We know that
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: Iran has a second set of targets in countries in
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: the region. It is waiting to see which of those
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: countries actually support materially support these actions that are supposedly
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: coming up by these ground forces from the United States
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: and perhaps Britain. They are then going to execute that
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: second and if they execute that second target list with
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: a devastating effect that they did the first, the global
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: economy is going to go into depression because it will
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: take out almost all the capacity. Whether it gets through
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: the strait or not will be irrelevant because it will
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: be destroyed. This is significant, and we're not even paying
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: any attention to it.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Sir.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: How worried are you about the use of nuclear weapons
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: by Israel, by Iran, by the United States.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: Very especially Israel. I would put the order of probability
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: in that order, Israel first, Iran possibly second. If Ted's right,
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: and I don't think I don't even think Donald Trump.
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: I hope I phrased that properly. I don't even think
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump would resort to nuclear weapons.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: Tell us about that with Israel. Then you've dealt with
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: the Israelis, You've studied them for a long time. Why
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: are you so worried about it?
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: I remember in seventy three, if it hadn't been for
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: the Soviets and US and Henry Kishener to a certain extent,
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: bringing the pressure that both capitals brought on Israel, go
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: to my heir at the time. I think they had
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: already uploaded one or two bombs and were going to
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: drop it on the Egyptian Third Army, which was putting
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: them in peril at that moment. What really saw that
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: was the Israelis managed to flank that army and didn't
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: need the nukear weapon. But go to my air at
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: the time, maybe it was for public consumption. Told a
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: BBC reporter and it was on the top front page
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: above the foal of one of the London papers the
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: next morning that in response to his question, would you
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: use a nuker weapon? She didn't bat an eye.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: She said, yes, you were telling us before the segment started,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: there were some headlines jumping out at U this morning
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: is really priss, in particular about Jade Vance potentially looking
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: for an off ramp and wanting to put Israel's interest
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: to the side, which would be necessary in order to
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: even begin to explore an off ramp. Do you put
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: any credence in that reporting? And what OFFERMP exists for
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: the US at this point?
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: I think we should declare victory and quit. That's what
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: I think. And Trump's a genius said lying about it,
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: So I think with the MAGA base at least, although
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: it's becoming even more fragmented than he thought, probably by
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: this time, I think still he'd have enough core there
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: that would believe him no matter what fantastic lies he
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: told about it. But declare victory and quit and tell
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: Nata Yahoo he's on his own. The only problem with
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: that is what we just discussed. Wouldn't Natanya, who being
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: on his own, seeing the Jewish state of Israel disappearing
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: under his feet to be credited to him in history?
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: Would he not use a nuclear weaponr too, and as
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: a military professional, he wouldn't use one. He'd have to
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: use quite a few to have any impact on a
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: vast country like Iran, ninety three million people, the size
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: of Western Europe. One nuclear weapon of the kilotonage that
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: israel Is would not do very much. If he dropped
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: it on to run, of course, it would be bloody,
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: it would be terrible, be horrible, Eroshima Nagasaki. But I
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  Speaker 6: don't think he would do that. He'd drop it on
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  Speaker 6: these military targets. They're significantly underground, and that's not going
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  Speaker 6: to do very much. So he'd have to use many
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  Speaker 6: of them, and then the genie is truly out of
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  Speaker 6: the bottle.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, last question for you, sir, you served in Vietnam.
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  Speaker 4: We were reading a quote from General Westmoreland this morning
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  Speaker 4: from nineteen sixty five. He said, there's no scenario where
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  Speaker 4: US Marines would ever engage with the Vietnamese in the
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  Speaker 4: very first weeks of the war. DC parallels here with
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  Speaker 4: some of these deployments.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us about I do.
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  Speaker 6: The major parallel I see is we went in I think,
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  Speaker 6: with reasonably good intentions, and we ruined it all and
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  Speaker 6: we didn't recognize it for fifty nine thousand plus casualties later. Now,
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  Speaker 6: there were other reasons Johnson committing that huge amount of troops.
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  Speaker 6: He did. I think President Johnson knew. He knew George
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  Speaker 6: Ball had told him. This is a case study I
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  Speaker 6: taught at Women Mary that it wasn't going to do
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  Speaker 6: any good. And LBJ actually said, and I quote, oh
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  Speaker 6: ho ain't going to be moved by no bombs. That's
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  Speaker 6: a direct quote from LBJ. And he knew it. But
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  Speaker 6: he knew also that if he cut and ran from Vietnam,
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  Speaker 6: he would lose the election. And so he didn't, and
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  Speaker 6: some thirty thousand added to that fifty nine thousand killed
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  Speaker 6: later we finally left. This is a similar situation and
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  Speaker 6: with a much different administration which I don't think even
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  Speaker 6: knows how to make national security decisions.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Retired Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: your time this morning. We got a lot on it.
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  Speaker 1: This We hope you'll consider coming back.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you, take care.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you guys to watching. We appreciate it. We'll have
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  Speaker 2: a great show for you all tomorrow. We'll see you then.