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The Motels · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's Deprogram, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right.
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We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is press play
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and listen. My name is Justin and I am band
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curious and that means I like to find new bands.
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And you know, the word new is kind of loose here, but I do
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like to discover bands and I like to gather my friends to
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talk about said bands. And in the process, we're going
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to come up with a top 10 starter kit for you to get into the band
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as well. And today we will be party
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professionals. Yes, we are going to be talking
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about the Motels. And Gavin, you moved to the
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front of the line here. I feel like this was put up by
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somebody else and you just kind of jumped on.
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But talk to me about the Motels. Yeah, thanks for having me on
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the show again. I love being here.
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It's cool to be here with Brian, too.
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We did R.E.M. and and and Duran Duran most recently, I think.
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And Anderson, I've heard all your episodes and it's really
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cool to be on with you. Thank you.
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Yeah. So you know, Justin, I'm kind of
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a new wave apologist, you know what I mean?
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So I'm an 80s kid and I really love lots of stuff from that
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era, but I love those early MTV bands that really kind of made a
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big impact. It kind of shaped my aesthetic,
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my style, what I thought was cool when I was young and trying
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to figure that out. And I really kind of take it as
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a personal challenge to like, kind of defend bands from the
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80s that have sort of obvious flaws.
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You know, I would throw the motels in there, you know, and
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kind of really try to give them a serious look and say, wait a
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minute, this isn't just like some silly whatever new wave
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band or something. There's something here if you
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look close to be like respected and and and I don't know, and
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like valued. And so I wanted to do that with
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the motels. So that's why I'm here.
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Sometimes it'd be that it'd be that simple.
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We were trying to fill out the panel, and because we're kind of
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in between some stuff, I tossed it to you, Brian and I, you
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said, here, let me go listen to a few.
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And you said, yeah, yeah, I'll, I'll do this.
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So talk to me about what makes you say yes to the motels.
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Well, so I after doing like the Duran Duran episode, like I, I
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really, you know, because I used to kind of put like Nu Wave off
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like I was never like a huge Nu Wave fan.
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I kind of played during Duran Duran, you know, just growing up
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like, you know, like in the Moody 90s and stuff.
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It was, you know, you know, new wave was was not cool, but like
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I got really I really became like a Duran Duran fan from that
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and like I was like, you know what I'm missing so much.
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Like I like, I need to get into this, like, and, and even like
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doing research on the band, looking them up, you know, you
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know, and even, you know, Gavin used the word.
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But like, I, I don't know if this is what I would think of
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when I think of new wave. Like this is like it's like pop
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rock. It's like maybe that's what new
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wave is. And I'm, I've been like, you
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know, like, you know, like I, I hear new wave.
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I think of like fuck of seagulls or, you know, something like
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that. But like this was like kind of
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in my zone. Like, you know, yeah, I'm like,
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you know, one like the 90s guys. But like, I'm also big into like
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power pop and like stuff like that.
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And like this kind of fits in that power pop.
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And I, I discovered when I now Duran Duran did have a tie to my
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childhood because I grew up listening to it because my aunt,
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you know, babysat me and played it constantly, but a lot.
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But there was this like nostalgic feeling I got from
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Duran Duran. And when I listened to this,
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even though these songs I probably a couple of months, I
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never heard before, a lot of them I, I, I heard this saying
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the other day and, and, and it, I don't remember where I heard.
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I wish I remembered, but some of these songs made me nostalgic
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for a time that I never existed in.
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Yeah, like it was like I just pictured some of these songs in
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like in, in like playing like in The Karate Kid.
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I know they weren't, but they just, they, I just got that like
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nostalgic warm feeling from some of these songs that like maybe I
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did hear them in the background at some point when I was, you
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know, you know, six or seven years old, 67.
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But like, but yeah, like it, it I, I definitely, I, I, I
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definitely, you know, I, I love, like listening to every genre of
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like, I'll do, you know, I'll do rap, I'll do rock.
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I'll do you know, you know, power pop like this.
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This was a great a great chance for me to pop, to pop into
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something that I've never listened to before.
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So the other panelist on said panel that is kind of in between
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at the moment. We're we're working out the the
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framing and there's another person possibly coming in.
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So it's, it's just up in the air.
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So we wanted to keep you busy, Anderson, same thing.
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I kind of tossed it in there and said, hey, do you guys want to
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do this? And Brian said immediately,
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yeah, I'm, I'm on board. And then, Anderson, you went and
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checked it out. What made you say yes to the
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motels? Oh, I love the 80s, and any
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chance to do an episode is something I'm probably going to
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jump on as soon as I can. But yeah, I did the same thing
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as Brian. I stopped and listened to a
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couple of songs. I said, oh, this is them, OK.
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And they fit into that. You know, at first I thought
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that song was, you know, if you would have asked me, I would
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have said it was the Pretenders or someone in that vein.
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And I'm like, oh, OK, well, this is the Motels.
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This is going to be fun. Yeah, listening to the whole
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thing, it was a lot of fun listening to these guys.
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I'm really happy I took the dive.
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I don't think you're out of pocket to like compare them to
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the pretenders. I you know, I definitely, I'm
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always hesitant to say like, you know, it sounds like it sounds
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like, you know, but like for sure, number one, I, you know,
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as as I first hit play, like I'm like, OK, I know why Gavin's
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here. Like I, I get that.
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But like, you know, it, it does give you that Blondie that
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pretenders that you know, it's, it's musically not always like
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going to blow your mind, you know, like it's not always going
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to be like, oh man, this is like super interesting.
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Like it's, it's mostly about her, right?
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Like. It it.
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It's I, I like the music a lot. It's her what that separates it.
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And, you know, that's kind of a lot of the answers that I, that
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I got about this band is, is Oh my God, she rules.
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And I keep saying she because I literally just got home.
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So I don't have my research up in front of me.
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Martha Davis. Ah, there we go.
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But like, yeah, like that seems to be like the, the thing about
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the motels. And again, that means I was on
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base, like I wasn't, you know, another band.
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Again, I I'm loath to make comparisons, but we did the
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waitresses a couple years ago. Like it's definitely like there,
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like it's in that space. And it's not like none of this
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is going to blow your mind, but it's all going to be in that, in
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that space, in that groove and enjoyable, which is ultimately
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like that's all that really matters.
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Did I enjoy this? So I think we only took 80s
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records, if I'm not mistaken, because somebody answered when I
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asked, somebody answered like a 2018 song.
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I was like, I know we didn't cover that, but yeah.
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So. So when you're putting together
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20 for this one, Gavin, is it like just straightforward or is
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there like a little gamesmanship here?
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No, this was straightforward, Justin.
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They had, they had five records from 1979 to 1985, and then they
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did a record in 2020 that I didn't include.
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I haven't listened to it. Might be great, I don't know.
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But I just covered that run of five records from Los Angeles.
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This is a Los Angeles band, we should say.
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That makes sense. So Brian, I, I mean, again, like
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we kind of turn this around relatively quickly.
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When you're putting together you're 20 for this, is there
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something you're looking at? Yeah, I kind of did it the same
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way like I did Duran Duran. I was like, OK, well, what's
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going to bring, you know, like, like a younger generation extra
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into, into this? Like what's going to, you know,
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you know, the other, the other people that are my age, you
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know, 46 to 43 years old, like what are like, what's going to
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make them listen to this? And, you know, forget all their,
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all their, you know, hatred towards the 80s.
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And then like there were a bunch that like I said, just like made
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me feel warm and like, made me feel like, oh, this is like, so
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this is so like deliciously 80s. Like I said before, it's, it's
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deliciously 80s like this. And it was, it was tough.
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There was one album I gravitated towards more.
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You know, they started out it, it seemed like in the earlier
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albums more like a rock band. And then like towards the end,
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you know, they, you know, you know, as the, you know, mid 80s
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happened, yeah, they evolved towards that.
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But I, I, I liked it all. It was tough.
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It was tough making the final cuts.
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Yeah. Just just just looking for the
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things that I thought would hit on different kinds of fans
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because they did have a couple different genres of rock and pop
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kind of mixed in there. Again, this is kind of quick
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turn around, Anderson. Did that play to your advantage
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or did that make this more difficult?
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Getting to 25 was easy. Getting down from that was kind
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of awful. Yeah, what I was doing is his
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guys got a lot of flavors for having like a pure 80s sound.
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They and that was one of the things I really enjoyed while I
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was listening to it, just you know, a solo is coming, but you
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don't know what instrument they're going to use.
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And that was fun. Yeah, I get that.
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I I, I guess, I mean, at this point I did my first pass months
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ago. I don't, I honestly don't
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remember how much got through in my first pass, but I know that I
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approached it more like Gavin, like I tried to make this like
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as straightforward as possible, like not overthinking.
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And you know, sometimes that means you end up making hasty
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decisions. One thing that I've been trying
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to do a little bit more lately is balance.
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Like see what the Internet says and if there's like a a list
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somewhere kind of balance, you know, my last 2526 against what
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the Internet says and see if I'm on the right track at least.
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So I did a little bit of that. I wouldn't say they were the
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last couple cuts were brutal, but like, but that's because,
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like I said, I was trying to just not think about it.
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I just this deliciously 80s is is apartment and I feel like
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it's a very agreeable band. So like, it's really, I don't
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think we're going to have too tough a time.
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But that said, that doesn't necessarily mean we're going to
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hit a bunch of homers, right? Gavin, based on everything that
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we've said so far, how many do you think we get through
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unanimously for the final say? Oh yeah, I'm going to say that
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we can nail down. We got a four person panel.
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It's always like, oh, it's tough.
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I think we can nail five of these down to the floor.
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Yeah, I like that. What do you think Brian?
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5's off the board. Yeah, that's, I mean, I was
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thinking like I was thinking 5, but I'm going to go.
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I'm actually going to go. I'm going to go right below.
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I'm going to say. I was going to say 6, but I felt
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like that was reaching so I'm going to say. 4, OK, seems like
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probably 4 is probably a good call.
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What do you think, Anderson? I don't think 6 is reaching at
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all. I'm taking that.
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There you go 4-5 and six are off the board and I'll go instead of
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going up to yeah, you know what, I'm just going to take 74567
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again if I get if, if I get it, that means we're most of the way
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there anyway. So I think there there might be
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a couple that that I want. So with that, we're going to
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take a quick pause. And on the other side of it,
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we're going to play the game is to program Jack.
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And with that, the name of the game is deprogrammed.
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The four of us have come through most of the Motels discography
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and plucked out 20 songs that we're now going to match
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together in an attempt to create a top ten sort of kit for you.
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In case you are like me and have never heard of the Motels before
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this. Often times I'm loath to start
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with a hit, but this is this. I got this on almost every
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single response so it's a good it's a good checking check in
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spot. How about only the lonely?
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
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Yeah, had to be, right. Yeah, it is.
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Hold on. Yet again, not quite at the
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ready. There it is again.
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I got that answer for like almost every single answer or
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almost every single person said it and it was on every list.
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And then I think I showed showed you this, Gavin, when we were
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working on it. Maybe not this record I found at
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the record store, like shortly after we talked about doing this
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episode. Yeah.
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So I scooped it up. And then so then I was like, oh,
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yeah, only the only boom. All right, one.
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Day I did the same thing. Yeah, right.
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I mean if you can find some motels records for it seems like
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they go for relatively cheap so might as well.
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Yeah, I think that's her most consistent record too, from 82,
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from 1982, All for One. That's a yeah, yeah.
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All right, one down and Gavin, where you want to go?
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I'm going to go all the way to the beginning, to 1979.
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If you guys haven't seen the cover of that record, it's
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really great. Their first album, The Motels,
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I'm going to take an amazing song called Celia.
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Yes, I got it. Yeah.
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Oh, I don't have that. Well, you're wrong.
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I know I'm wrecking. See, I'm wrecking your list
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already. You bring these kids in here,
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that's what happens. Celia's crazy dude.
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It they'll, I'm gonna, I'm gonna recite a couple lyrics here.
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Celia's like, yeah, she's like, she's like broke this dude's
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heart. And her friend is telling her
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like, and she's really in trouble.
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And she says, I heard him talking.
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I heard him say he wasn't going to kill you, he was just going
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to fuck up your pretty face. If I was you, I'd take the next
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train out of town. I'm telling you, the man is mad.
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He's mad as hell. And he's got a gun, girl.
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He's got a gun, Celia. See what you've done?
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And you got to blame the victim. It's the 80 or the the 70s, you
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know what I mean? But yeah, that's a crazy ass
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song, dude. It's so good.
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It's so good. And you know what's funny is I
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didn't even make this connection.
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A lyric in the song is train, right?
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Got to make. I'm making a leap here.
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Just bear with me. One of the answers I got was
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last train to Clarksville and I was like, did you misread that?
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I I didn't say the monkeys. I asked did the motels cover the
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monkeys? Guy goes, if they didn't, they
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should have. All right, Celia gets a three.
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That's OK. I didn't expect that to be like
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a a high on the list, but I love that song.
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So, all right, Brian. Where do I start?
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All right, I'm just going to start with ones that I like.
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Well, I like them all because they're on my list, but how
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about where do we go from here? Yeah, no, yeah.
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All right, we'll take a three there.
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Again, where do we go from here? Nothing sacred 123.
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Actually just listened to that one in the car on the way back
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from picking my kid up. All right, Anderson.
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Where do I want to start? That's always the fun question.
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Put a second record and whose problem am I?
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Oh, I don't. Have that one.
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I. Don't.
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Yes, I had that. OK, I was.
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Going to say because that wasn't Gavin's problem.
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Yay. That's actually one of the few
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answers that I got that I didn't have.
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Yeah, is that a 2? That was a 2 not high on the
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list, but still alive after one round.
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So yeah, all right, I got 2 answers for this one.
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So I'm I'm propping it up way on my list and this is kind of a
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pulse taker. I loved this song.
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I thought it was really clever. Take the L.
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Oh yeah. Yeah.
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Hey, all right. Yeah, that's a great song.
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Take the L out of Lover, it's over.
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It's over, right? Take the LS, like take the L
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train or something, you know? Yeah.
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Yeah, Duke Ellington. Yeah, that was up early.
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Both your both your picks Justin were early videos videos on MTV
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singles you know. That makes sense, I just was
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again listening to this one earlier today and just feeling
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really good about that pic, but apparently I just was able to
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sniff out the singles OK. Sometimes the cream rises to the
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top. Yeah, sometimes.
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All right. Boom.
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Take the L is in and Gavin. So OK, I'm going to try to.
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I can never like explain this right, but I'm going to give it
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another shot. So British new wave bands and
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American new wave bands are totally different.
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And it, and it speaks to what you were talking about Brian,
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about like listening to this band and kind of saying like,
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Oh, this is kind of like a pop rock band that, you know, that
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has like the power pop tendencies and like, and you
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know, and then you name check the pretenders who were very who
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leaned farther into like rock than other new wave bands.
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And when I talk about new wave, I cast a wide net because it
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kind of what it capture. I try to capture everybody in
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that blanket that just like was outside of the mainstream.
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And the difference, I think in the two countries was that like
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new wave in England was I'm not going to I'm I'm going to keep
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this short. It was a logical progression
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from weird kids that were into Bowie, fucking Roxy Music, you
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know, T Rex and they went through punk or their older
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siblings were went through punk and and they they were real
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bands that kind of like came up, I would say organically into a
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new strange kind of music. A lot of the kids were ordering
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hearts and building synthesizers and that's where you get the
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Flock of Seagulls and stuff like that.
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Duran Duran's definitely in that camp in America.
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It was seen as like a style or a fashion that was happening and
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and really proficient musicians that had been in other scenes,
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sometimes going way back. They were older than the kids in
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England put together a band and and like called it like use.
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It's kind of like flavor of the month.
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And we're like, we're going to be a new wave band Now, where is
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like, let's say if country had been really popular, they would
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have been in a country band where in England they could only
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have been in a weird band, you know?
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So like hits band had guys that had been in glam bands in the
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early 70s, Motels had guys in it that had been in southern rock
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bands. One of the guys was in a band
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from Atlanta called Rd. Turkey, you know what I mean?
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So it's like, but then it's like, hey, let's put on this
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beret and chop the sleeves off our sweatshirt and get some Ray
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Bans, you know what I mean? And it's like, we're in a new
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wave van now. So I think quality American new
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wave is rare. That's why a band like R.E.M.
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Is so fantastic because they were, they were a home grown
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original, you know, but so you know, it's hard to imagine now,
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but in LA at the time, the motels would have been getting a
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lot of shit on the street for how they dressed.
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It would have been getting shit from the rock establishment in
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the clubs. They would have been seen as a
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threat. They would have been called
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homophobic slurs. They would have been labeled as
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punk rock. They would have been called a
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punk band, which is all hilarious in retrospect, you
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know, but it was a very real thing then.
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And I think that what, you know, the themes that make them new
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wave to me, there's, there's a feel of like nocturnal Los
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Angeles in their music, right? There's like a romantic fatalism
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that you could pull back to, like Phil Spector and like the
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girl groups, you know? And there's like an urban
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isolationism in their music. And they were and the and and
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they were early to the video game because they were in LA
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where the cameras were. You know, they were like buying
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bread at the bread store. It was like there was producers
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and it was easy like, But people wanted to film anything in LA so
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the LA bands got videos made and were on MTV really early.
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Yeah, that's my little motels rant.
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So. Nice.
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Yeah, I took I, I'm staying on the first record, 1979.
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I took the, I took the closer off that record.
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I took a song called Counting. Oh yeah, yeah.
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I have it. No, that was one of the five I
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caught, Yeah. So I I sent.
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So I didn't want to say anything in the chat.
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I sent this song, I sent this to to John and I was like, yo, I
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said, yo, when you listen to the counting, like tell me you don't
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hear wish list by Pearl Jam. So if so, if you that and even
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in like in the chorus part, you know, it's a very like
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restrained build and it's like a which is which I I love it.
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It's like a tension that goes nowhere, but like, I love that.
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Like I, I, I love that that tension, that building goes
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literally nowhere. It just because it just, it just
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goes up and up and up and it never gives you that release.
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And actually that's like, that's like why I that that's like one
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of the first songs that I moved up in in my list.
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Like when I make my So what, when I when I make my list, I
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never talk about this. There is the closing timeline.
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Why closing time I have no idea. So when you guys send me the
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list, I copy into my own playlist immediately.
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Then I add the song closing time by semisonic OK and I move it to
26:32
the top of my list. So I listen through.
26:36
I give everything a listen. Things that are like an instant
26:38
for me like I fuck yes I need this.
26:41
I move in my list above closing time.
26:45
So when I listen to my list and I hear closing time, I know I've
26:49
hit the end of my picked songs and I don't know why it's
26:55
closing time. It's to the point that now when
26:57
I make a playlist on Spotify, it always suggests closing time.
27:04
That's awesome. Nice, I totally get that because
27:07
when closing time comes on, I also want to turn off the radio.
27:16
I take the three there, Anderson.
27:20
Yeah. I mean, that's a three that's
27:22
going to be a really easy to push me over.
27:26
Where do I want to go now? What's Wait wait?
27:29
Hold on. Yeah, yeah.
27:30
Yeah, sorry, sorry. Yeah, Ryan, it's sorry.
27:34
OK, I went. I went on a rant there and OK
27:38
anyway, all right, I'm going to the last album, the one that was
27:41
so super 80s and I loved it. This is the song that I was
27:44
listening, I was listening to on the way to pick up my kid from
27:47
college and I played it like 3 times in a row.
27:50
This is the song that gave me the most warmth and made me
27:53
picture a a scene in product kid that never happened.
27:58
Hungry. No.
28:00
No, no. No.
28:03
I wish I had that. It was so, yeah, I, I when I
28:08
heard the the chorus, like I'm hungry for some reason, I
28:12
pictured that scene where they're at like the like the
28:15
putt putt or like the arcade place when they're when, when
28:19
Daniel's talking to, I can't remember the girl's name when
28:22
they're talking outside and like, you know, making up if
28:24
they got in a fight. For some reason that song played
28:26
in my mind with that scene even though it never happened all.
28:33
Right now, it's actually your turn.
28:37
Here we. Go, Anderson.
28:39
All right, I'm going to follow Gavin's lead and just jump aside
28:44
for a minute. Did anyone else pick up that
28:48
Martha Davis is one of the three most important people in the
28:51
world? No.
28:53
No. Oh, yeah, with Clarence Clemons
28:57
and Fee Waybel P Wabel is the lead singer of the Tubes.
29:01
You might remember them from Don't Fall in Love.
29:04
She's a beauty, One in a Million Girls.
29:07
And Clarence Clemons is the fast player on the E Street Band.
29:11
But yeah, yeah, E Street and Bill and Ted's Excellent
29:14
Adventure. They were the three most
29:16
important people in the world. Oh wow, I forgot that.
29:21
Interesting that's. Awesome, that is.
29:24
Awesome that was that was my old Ted bitch and I am let's go back
29:29
to all for one. This one gave me just such a
29:32
really cool like Blues bar ref changed my mind.
29:38
Yeah. Yes.
29:41
OK, no, I'll be the odd man out there.
29:45
Yeah, this is the album that I gravitated to the most.
29:48
This album was spectacular. Yeah, that makes sense though.
29:51
All right, we're doing OK here. That 2 is hanging around at this
30:01
point. Well, I think it's time for me
30:09
to go all the way back to the beginning.
30:10
How about anticipating? No, yeah.
30:15
No. Boom.
30:20
I like when the band does the thing right from the jump.
30:22
I always love it. Yeah.
30:25
Oh, I didn't think of that. Yeah.
30:26
Yeah. So, all right, anticipating
30:29
grabs A2 and Gavin. Oh, I should also say I like I
30:36
read like a thing about how Morrissey, I'm a big Smiths fan.
30:40
Morrissey when he was a kid, teenager, he went to LA on like
30:46
to stay with like a relative in the right around like 79 or 80
30:52
and was obsessed with the motels.
30:56
I saw them a bunch of times and was like a kind of a groupie,
30:58
you know, like hanging around trying to see them, which was
31:02
this interesting fact for all my Smiths fans out there.
31:05
I took Crybaby off. Careful the second record.
31:08
Yeah. I don't.
31:13
I don't either. That was a great one.
31:16
I love. Craig yeah, that.
31:19
Was the one I was considering doing next actually.
31:23
All right, Crybaby grabs A2 and Brian.
31:29
I don't know if we've hit careful yet, but I'm going to
31:31
hit careful. How about envy?
31:36
No. Yes.
31:39
I know, OK. All right.
31:43
We're all going to be dancing around each other, it appears.
31:46
Yeah. All right, Anderson.
31:51
Yeah, my 6 is starting to look back.
31:56
Let's see if we can hit a dinger here suddenly last summer.
32:00
Yeah. Yes.
32:02
Yeah, I had that. That was a good song.
32:05
Hell yeah. Was that a single?
32:07
I thought that I thought that was their big hit.
32:09
Yeah, that one. And then I heard a little lonely
32:13
and I'm like, OK, there are two hit wonder.
32:14
Perfect. Yeah.
32:15
That makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
32:18
One of those songs that stand out it just.
32:19
Yeah, it felt like a single all. Right, boom, boom, boom.
32:26
Let me mark that down. Suddenly last summer.
32:37
Boom, boom and boom. All right, where do I want to go
32:45
next? Oh, just like that, we're out of
32:50
NTP too. These twos are still alive.
33:04
Let's see, I'll go to Little Robbers as well.
33:07
How about remember the Knights? Yes, love that song.
33:13
No. No all.
33:15
Right, 2 gets to hang around for a little bit.
33:22
All right, Gavin. OK, hot take.
33:27
I'm gonna get controversial. I just got to bear with me here.
33:32
So I took he hit me and it felt like a kiss.
33:36
I got it. No.
33:42
No, no, that was like instantly gone for me.
33:46
Yeah. No, I didn't.
33:47
I didn't take it just because title doesn't play well in 2026.
33:53
So let me so let me let me challenge you guys on that.
33:57
So obviously Martha is not advocating for domestic
34:04
violence, right, Right. I think it's a pretty clever,
34:08
challenging, interesting, courageous song for her to
34:12
write. I think she's I think she's
34:14
speaking about that part of all of us that, you know, a part of
34:19
love and attraction can be dangerous, can be somebody
34:26
that's maybe not good for us or whatever.
34:28
But what what's really interesting about it for me is I
34:31
think she's much like on Celia. I think she's playing with that
34:38
old girl group thing, like the songs, like, you know, my, my
34:44
boyfriend mistreats me, but they don't understand what he's
34:46
really like. Like leader of the pack.
34:49
They all thought he was bad, but I knew he was sad, right?
34:52
And what that generation of bands did, whether they were
34:56
punk or new wave or whatever, they took old forms of music and
35:01
like supercharged them. Like the Sex Pistols did that or
35:04
the Jam did that with, with R&B, right?
35:08
And so it kind of feels like she's taking that Phil Spector
35:12
thing and like, supercharging it into, like, punk extremism.
35:15
Like the theme of it. I'm going to take this theme and
35:19
I'm going to turn it up to 11, right?
35:21
In a cartoonish way. And I mean, the lyrics, the
35:26
lyrical turn at the end is like, shocking.
35:29
It's hard to like shock you in a song still in this day and age.
35:34
And like that song still is fucking you go whoa.
35:38
Like that song is fucking heavy. And like I, I, I kind of just
35:42
take my hat off to her. I think it's a real feat that
35:45
she pulled off there. That's a that's a difficult
35:47
tightrope to walk. For sure, I'm glad you explained
35:51
it because. Yeah, I was going to just say.
35:54
I liked it. But that work it is good but.
35:59
I mean it is more. Than that I, I, you know, I
36:01
think somewhere in my brain like I clocked how, how, what the
36:06
you, I think you nailed it. Like the, the tightrope she was
36:08
walking. I think I clocked that.
36:10
And I was like, man, like it's not easy to kind of throw this
36:13
out there and make it feel acceptable.
36:17
I guess is the word I'm looking for.
36:19
Like to, to not make it feel like it's this gross thing that
36:22
she's, you know, glorifying and it because it, it never felt
36:26
like she's just glorifying domestic violence.
36:29
It never felt like that. So, yeah, I also understand the
36:34
idea of just the name being a put off because I'm not going to
36:37
lie, initially that that was my issue too, is it almost didn't
36:42
make my last cut. And then I, I listened to it and
36:44
again, I was like, no, I I want this song on my list.
36:47
So, yeah, All right, grab some too, Brian.
36:52
Yeah, I was just thinking about that.
36:54
Like, you know, 1993, you know, Justin, we went to go buy the
37:00
new record by Nirvana and one song was blocked out because of
37:05
the title. It said waif me, but that's not
37:07
what the song was about. It was, you know, it was about,
37:11
you know, rapists being raped in jail because they deserved it.
37:15
Yeah. Anyway, let's go.
37:21
I'll go back to the last album again.
37:22
Let's go to just another song that instantly went to the top
37:25
of my my list. Hello, cries and whispers.
37:30
Oh man, no. No.
37:32
No. Damn, I'm streaking out.
37:34
I'm in shock here, all right? I'm not playing Shock anymore.
37:40
All right, Anderson. And I still have some from
37:44
shock, just not those ones. I'm going to see if I can join
37:49
Brian and the bin with this one. She takes a couple of genres and
37:57
kind of matches them together. And Gavin, I think he just
38:00
talked about leader of the pack and she mixes it with surf music
38:05
and you get tragic surf and it was like gloriously cheesy.
38:13
Yeah, I don't have it. That's a cool hit.
38:16
I don't have it. I thought you were going to see
38:19
a different song that I would bring up.
38:22
I'll say this, that is an answer I got.
38:25
So you weren't wrong, it's just we didn't have it to save you
38:31
so. Very LA song, yeah.
38:33
Yeah. I was not expecting to be saved
38:36
there. All right, I'm going to.
38:39
I'm going to dive into shock. Since Brian keeps striking out,
38:46
I'm going to go with the title track.
38:47
How about shock? No.
38:50
No, I don't have that one. Late late cop.
38:53
OK, I'll take the banner there, Gavin.
39:00
Well, we might cover the whole shock record here before we're
39:03
done. I'm going to take a state of the
39:05
heart. No.
39:07
No. That was my other late come from
39:11
that album. Oh my.
39:12
God. Oh well, Brian.
39:19
All right, I'm I'm changing records when, when my answer
39:26
from about, you know, having different genres and everything,
39:30
you know, there's this one brought me to like Jessica
39:37
Rabbit singing in a freaking nightclub.
39:40
Total control. Yeah, absolutely yes.
39:45
Fuck yeah, dude, that song is amazing.
39:49
It is such a beautiful song. Yeah.
39:52
And I was like, I was like, I was like, yo, this is not a new
39:55
wave. This is Blues.
39:59
But it was, it was, it was excellent.
40:02
Yeah, yeah. And again, like, really
40:04
expressing this thing about relationships that you don't
40:09
want to admit out loud, you know, it's like, like that.
40:12
It's like, really cool. That's such a powerful song.
40:16
Yeah. You know, I, I, I said that I
40:18
gravitated towards this record and and now we have 3 through
40:22
from this record. Yeah, so or a four.
40:27
Yeah, we're at 4 right now with a couple rounds left, I think.
40:31
Hey, quick question. I on my paper, I have marked
40:34
envy down as two, but on my yeah.
40:37
OK, So who was it you had envy? It was me, me and somebody else.
40:42
Me obviously the other one on my paper, it's marked as two, but I
40:46
didn't mark it on my my Google. All right, so let's see.
40:51
Total control was Brian so Anderson.
40:56
All right, you know what? I don't care.
40:59
I'm still going to try to get something through from shock.
41:02
How about icy rap? No.
41:06
No, Yeah. What is it?
41:10
Icy red. Icy red No.
41:13
Wait. You know we hate that album.
41:17
We all have it, but just. Not record, just different
41:22
songs. Apparently, yeah.
41:26
I'm starting to wear down here, 123-4567 We got a couple more
41:32
rounds in US, I think. How about?
41:38
Mine. How about how about danger?
41:43
No. No.
41:46
No, I'm sorry. Bend OK, All right.
41:50
Danger grabs A1 and Gavin. I took days are OK off the
41:58
second record. Yeah.
42:01
Yeah, I. Cannot.
42:03
I cannot make it official. Official.
42:06
But we'll take three. Yeah.
42:09
Boom, boom, boom. All right, right.
42:14
Well, yeah, we'll take a win when we get one.
42:17
I'll stick on that. I'll stick on that one.
42:19
How about slow down? No.
42:23
No. No, I don't have it.
42:27
OK. OK, Anderson.
42:32
OK, this one I I feel like every time an episode of Cops play,
42:39
they owe the motels a nickel. Footsteps.
42:44
No. No, no.
42:47
No, cannot save you, their friend.
42:52
All right, let me shuffle this about.
42:54
We got a couple more rounds here, I think.
43:00
How about Mission of Mercy? Yeah.
43:06
No, no, All right. We'll take a turn there.
43:10
At least it didn't get binned. All right, Gavin.
43:18
I took night by night off shock a closer.
43:21
No, no, we're gonna we. Have to, right?
43:30
Yeah. I only have one left from shot
43:34
though. Oh boy.
43:34
Yeah, I got 2, but yeah, we get our old for six.
43:38
Yeah, I've got 2 as well. All right, Brian.
43:43
I still have two songs left from All For One, which I'm afraid to
43:48
play because I feel like our list is going to be heavy
43:51
though. Like I almost don't want another
43:53
one of those to go through, but I do because it was a good
43:56
record. All right, I'm going to.
43:58
I'm going to go with The Little Robbers, the title track.
44:03
No, that was a weird song. Is that kind of like a what?
44:08
Is it like kind of a reggae song or something?
44:10
It has a weird or calypso or something.
44:12
I don't. Know like is it?
44:14
Yeah, there was a lot of there were a couple songs like that
44:16
where I'm like, this is this is definitely like mixing it up.
44:20
This is not like I said, this is not.
44:23
She blinded me with science like which I think of when I think of
44:26
new wave, I think of like corny stuff like that.
44:30
This this like reset my my entire my entire viewing of of
44:36
new wave music. Yeah.
44:39
Big tent, man, there's room for everybody.
44:41
That's right. Yeah.
44:43
All right, Anderson. I think I'll stay on Little
44:48
Robbers. I'll go with one of her
44:51
storytelling ones. How about Into the Heartland?
44:54
No, no, All right. I think this is our last round.
45:00
OK, listening to to how these last couple.
45:03
Yeah, that seems fair. Yeah.
45:04
All right, I'm not thinking any of these really have a shot, but
45:11
how about Bonjour Baby? No.
45:17
Yeah. Hey, all right, you know what,
45:22
I'll take that. It didn't get bit.
45:24
That's good for me. Hey man, the 80s are about
45:28
having fun. What's more fun than a song
45:31
called Bonjour Baby? Right now I see what happened.
45:35
OK, all right, Boom and boom, Gavin.
45:42
I took people, places and things off the second record.
45:46
No. No, that was close though.
45:51
I got it. Hey, nice boom and bloody boom,
45:56
all right, Brian. I don't think my last song off
46:01
of off of Shock because I just want to see if we get this here.
46:07
Shame. Yeah, yes.
46:10
Yeah. Wow.
46:15
Well, I mean, there you go. I'll have some redemption.
46:19
Is that four or three? That's all four of.
46:22
Them that's a four. That's a four, Oh my Lord.
46:25
We wailed it from all of them. Binge.
46:30
We finally hit on 10 and now and now the torch passes the Gavin
46:35
that's. Right.
46:37
Yeah, right. Let.
46:38
Me get this into place and mark that as a unanimy all.
46:49
Right, Anderson, I'm going to go back to All for One for my last
46:57
song off of there, so LA. Yeah.
47:01
Yeah, I have it. I do not.
47:05
I'll take a three. Yeah.
47:07
Yeah, good. But I think we're starting to
47:09
kill them twos. Well, maybe not.
47:11
We'll see here. All right, let me shift this up
47:14
and I'll dump out. Let's see, you already did that
47:21
one off of Careful. How about party professionals?
47:27
Yeah. Yes.
47:29
No. No.
47:31
I don't care. I got a 2.
47:33
That's if party professionals didn't get binned.
47:37
That makes me happy. Let's see, how about trust me
47:42
off of little Robbers? No, no.
47:46
Yes. Hey, all right.
47:50
And then last but not least off of shock, New York Times.
47:56
No. And yes.
47:59
Hey all. Right.
48:02
Boom, I think that's the best dump out I've ever had.
48:06
Yeah. Yeah, I'm happy to help all.
48:09
Right. Let me shuffle that around.
48:12
Get a game that means Gavin's 5 is going to win out 12345
48:18
because it is impossible to get anymore.
48:21
All right, let's see if we can make this a little bit more
48:24
difficult. Gavin, what do you got left?
48:27
I took careful off the second record.
48:32
Nope. No.
48:35
And I took tables turned no. No, that was probably 26 for me.
48:44
That was literally 21 for me, just for the record.
48:49
All right, Is that it? Yes.
48:53
All right. So Gavin is out, Brian.
48:58
All right, I have a couple Isle of you.
49:03
Nope. All right, Monday shutdown.
49:09
Also no. OK, art fails.
49:18
One of my last cuts. OK, I think that's it.
49:22
Double check because my hair is messy.
49:26
Yeah, that's it. All right.
49:28
And then, just for fun, Anderson.
49:32
Just got one left a song that the title is Ron because it's
49:37
really neither one porn reggae. Nice.
49:46
Nice. I've listened to that and I'm
49:49
like, oh, Bob Marley's glad he's gone.
49:52
We covered almost all of All for One, almost all of shock.
49:57
We covered all of Little robbers and all of careful between us,
50:04
yeah. Wow.
50:06
Yeah, that's wild. All right, so let's see what we
50:10
got through automatically. Only the lonely take the L
50:15
suddenly last summer. Total control, shame.
50:17
And again, that is going to put us at 5:00, so Gavin will have
50:21
our final say here. All right, let me see what we
50:25
got for threes 12345 there's six threes.
50:33
So I think those twos are done. I mean unless Gavin decides to
50:38
take a 2. So we've got Celia.
50:42
Where do we go from here? Counting change my mind days are
50:48
OK and so LA so I'll ask you first, Gavin, is there one of
50:53
those that's jumping out at you that's like man, that should
50:57
have gone through? Yeah, I think we got to take
51:00
Celia off the first record. Any Yeah, I'm fine.
51:04
OK, I was going to say any hesitation Brian now.
51:06
OK. All right.
51:07
So same question to you, Brian. Is there one that you're kind of
51:10
looking at like man, let's let's go ahead and grab that?
51:19
I am, but there's already so much on All for One, so it's
51:26
it's tough. Well, I I the probably the the
51:37
the one song that I grabbed that I I put top my list first
51:41
counting. OK.
51:43
Yeah, yeah, 'cause it's. Right.
51:47
No, two, yeah, 2 from that record, OK.
51:50
Boom. That gives us three from that
51:53
record. Yep, 03.
51:55
Yep, total control, Celia and counting.
51:58
Oh OK, I hit tool control right in the wrong spot.
52:01
We just, we just don't have anything off careful yet.
52:04
OK. So, well, let's see, what does
52:06
that put us at 7:00? So let's ask Anderson.
52:11
Is there one jumping out at you? Well, there's two jumping out at
52:15
me and Gavin picked 1 and Brian picked the other.
52:18
Oh great job guys. We'd make it totally easy for
52:25
me. Let's pull one off it.
52:31
Careful. How about days are OK all?
52:33
Right. Yeah, that'd be cool.
52:35
That's the odd man there. So boom, that brings us up to 8
52:42
and that has us. We've covered everything, right?
52:46
Little Roberts has one, Careful has one.
52:47
Motels has three. All for One has 2.
52:53
The the only other song I was thinking of is where do we go
52:56
from here? OK, I think of the other threes
53:03
it's it's the strongest over so LA and change my mind.
53:07
It also would, you know, equal out representation a little.
53:10
It would give us a second from little robbers, Yeah, if we
53:14
think that's important. I mean, I'm OK with that.
53:19
All right, are you good with that going into song #9 Gavin?
53:24
Yeah, that's cool all. Right boom, that's our song 9
53:28
and there are two threes left. And of course you do not have to
53:32
pick either threes. You can pick any of these motel
53:34
songs that you like, Gavin. Yeah, there are songs that got a
53:42
2 that I like better than the threes that are left.
53:47
I'm looking at Crybaby off the second record.
53:50
I think that's a really strong song.
53:52
Of course I'm looking at He Hit Me and it felt like a kiss.
53:56
I don't know if I can do that to you guys.
53:58
You can look. Yes you can.
54:01
It is your. Pic I do that.
54:02
You can pull something out of your bin.
54:05
Can I do that to the women of the world and my partner?
54:09
I still have to come home tonight, so we'll see.
54:15
Let me see. Like Mission of Mercy is a big
54:18
song for them. I like people, places and
54:22
things. Oh, you know what?
54:24
I know what I want to pick. OK, so I really love remember
54:29
the night I have that 7 inch. It was a single.
54:33
It was a video. I think it's a really beautiful
54:36
song by them. It's kind of a classic, like
54:39
like it goes back to a earlier era of music.
54:43
But I'm going to take Remember the nights.
54:46
That's a no brainer. Boom.
54:47
All right, let's shift that and then I'll run this down.
54:51
Boom, boom. All right, so we've got only the
54:56
lonely. Take the L suddenly last summer.
54:58
Total control. Shame, Celia.
55:00
Counting days are OK. Where do we go from here?
55:04
And remember the nights If I read those 10 songs down to you,
55:09
Gavin, is there one that's jumping out at you as the one?
55:13
Yeah, I think you have to take suddenly last summer.
55:15
I mean, that's their greatest pop song, probably their most
55:21
catchy song. That's what I'd probably take to
55:24
put up at end of the year. Now they have maybe more
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interesting songs, but but that's kind of like the
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superstar of the bunch, I think. What?
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Do you think, Brian? Yeah, I agree, Lee said.
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You know, I, I, I, I think he said it perfectly.
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There are more interesting songs like I'm some of the other fours
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and threes. I usually try to, to pick one of
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the unanimous for the number one and out of the other number
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fours. I, I do think it's like the most
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it's, it's like the most, yeah, not the most interesting, but
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definitely the one that has the most pop quality that's going to
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that that's going to grab somebody.
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There you go. What do you think, Anderson?
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OK, this might be a hot take, but looking at what we put
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through, Gavin and Brian are right.
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OK. You know what?
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Being being right is a hot too. Yeah, no, I love that.
56:31
Like I, I, I I braced myself for hot take.
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I. Was like, uh oh, what's going
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on? OK, now look, you know, look
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looking, looking ahead and it, it checks all the boxes.
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So let's, let's not beat around the Bush.
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Let's grab suddenly last summer as our number one.
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I'll get it queued up underneath us.
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I'll run this down one last go and we'll get on out of here.
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Suddenly last summer is our number one.
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Only the lonely take the L total control.
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Shame Celia counting days are OK.
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Where do we go from here? And remember the nights rounds
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out to 10. With that, let's let Suddenly
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Last summer get a moment in the sun.
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Yeah. I mean, not to keep harping on
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the there's more interesting songs idea, but I don't think I
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think interesting is what will keep people.
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But I don't think interesting is what's going to get people.
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I think you got to get them first and I think that song does
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it the best, so. Something like accessible.
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Right. And then you get surprised by
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how interesting they actually are.
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So hey, we did it. We turned you on to the motels.
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Boom. You're very, very welcome for
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