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Cops describe "smell of death" but did "loving daughter" brutally murder her own dad and 6-year-old-daughter? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Investigators say they knew things
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Speaker 1: didn't add up when they came to the house to
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Speaker 1: complete the missing person's report. Smell Ride. There's a foul
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Speaker 1: odor in the house and the detectives ask about that.
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Speaker 1: She says, Oh, I had some rotten meat and I
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Speaker 1: headed in the scene. Okay, I don't like any story
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Speaker 1: that starts off when visitors arrive at the door they
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Speaker 1: smell a foul odor. I guess I should be used
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Speaker 1: to that now in my line of business, but I'm not.
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Speaker 1: I might see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. You know what, Jackie, I want
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Speaker 1: to hear that one more time. Take aless to our
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Speaker 1: friends at ABC. This is Jake Peterson. Investigators say they
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Speaker 1: knew things didn't add up when they came to the
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Speaker 1: house to complete the missing person's report. Smell Ride. There's
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Speaker 1: a foul odor in the house and the detectives ask
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Speaker 1: about that. She says, oh, I had some rotten meat
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Speaker 1: and I headed in the scene. Okay. I hardly know
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Speaker 1: where to start with that intro. But first of all,
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to break it down and put
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Speaker 1: it back together again. Joining me, Judge and lawyer Ashley
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Speaker 1: Wilcot at Ashley Wilcot dot com, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: FBI National Joint Terrorism Task Force, Retired former New Jersey
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Speaker 1: Police detective Steve Rogers also with me, renowned psychoanalyst out
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Speaker 1: of LA doctor Bethany Marshall and medical examiner for the
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Speaker 1: State of Florida. And I got a feeling I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: need an Emmy on this one. Doctor Tim Gallagher joining
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Speaker 1: us right now to Dave Matt Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Dave Matt. It's never a good sign when
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Speaker 1: you go to the front door and from the front
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Speaker 1: door you smell a foul, you know what, Dave Mack.
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Speaker 1: As much as I love you, I'm gonna have to
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Speaker 1: go to doctor Gallagher and Joe Scott Morgan on this,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher. People often say, how do you know?
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Speaker 1: How do you just know? For instance, remember in the
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Speaker 1: Top Mom Casey Anthony case. I'm sure you can't forget
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Speaker 1: that coming from the State of Florida. When investigators opened
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Speaker 1: Top Mom's trunk, they said there was an overwhelming foul odor.
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Speaker 1: Remember it top mom's own mother. When she realized Kelly,
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Speaker 1: two year old Kelly was missing, she immediately called police
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Speaker 1: and says she's been missing for thirty days. It smelled
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Speaker 1: like a dead body. In her words, not mine the
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Speaker 1: damn car. She is. Cindy Anthony is a lay person.
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Speaker 1: She would not be used to the smell of dead bodies.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher sadly, we are. Once you smell that smell,
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Speaker 1: you know what it is instinctively. Nobody even needs to
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Speaker 1: tell you what it is. Help me out, doctor Gallagher.
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Speaker 1: You smell that smell, you know there's a dead body. Oh? Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of one of the curiosities of nature. It's
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Speaker 1: a smell that, once you encounter, you never forget. The
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Speaker 1: smell of a decomposing human is absolutely different than that
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Speaker 1: of anything else, even a decomposing animals or decomposing meat.
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Speaker 1: It's a very strong, pungent, sickly sweet smell that once
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Speaker 1: you smell it, it could be years before you smell
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Speaker 1: it again, and you will recognize it immediately, you know.
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Speaker 1: Jose Scott Morgan and professor forensics at Jacksonville State University.
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Speaker 1: When I was in law school studying away taking civil
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Speaker 1: procedure and tax classes. I had no idea that one
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Speaker 1: day I would specialize in the smell of dead human bodies.
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Speaker 1: But that's where we are today, Okay, Joe Scott. Every
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Speaker 1: sense that you have, every sense is used at a
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Speaker 1: I'm seen and when cops open that front door and
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Speaker 1: they smell that smell, I mean, their instincts have got
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Speaker 1: to kick in. Yeah, they do, Nancy, And you have
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Speaker 1: to you have to keep you have to rain that
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Speaker 1: in because there's part of our primal brain that goes
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Speaker 1: to this idea. You know, doctor Gallery was talking about
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Speaker 1: how you don't forget to smell. I think that there's
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Speaker 1: something primal about it that causes fear to rise up
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Speaker 1: in as humans. And we're all humans, even if you're
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Speaker 1: a crime scene investigator. But you have to keep that
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Speaker 1: in check and keep your wits about you. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: everything's assaulted. Your eyesight, your smell, even your sense of
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Speaker 1: touch is impacted by this environment. Straight out to former
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Speaker 1: FBI National Joint Terrorism Task for Steve Rogers. Steve, you're
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Speaker 1: in New Jersey. I'm sure you were around September eleven,
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Speaker 1: as was I in New York. And I'm going to
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Speaker 1: make a comparison that day when I walked out of
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Speaker 1: court TV, every thing was deserted. I walked right down
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Speaker 1: the middle of Park Avenue from let's say thirty ninth
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Speaker 1: all the way to fifty fourth. Walking down the middle
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Speaker 1: of the street, I mean, that's like walking down I
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Speaker 1: seventy five and there are no cars and the smell,
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Speaker 1: and I had never smelled it before. And I've been
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Speaker 1: on a lot of crime scenes, but the odd smell.
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Speaker 1: It smells like burning electrical equipment. I've been on a
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Speaker 1: lot of arson scenes where electrical equipment was burned, but
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Speaker 1: this had a different smell to it. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you remember that, but there was a smell
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Speaker 1: that you knew that's what it was. And that's how
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Speaker 1: I'm comparing this. It's nobody has to tell you or
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Speaker 1: explain what it is until a cop. You smell that,
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Speaker 1: and you better bring in the cadaver dogs, well can Nancy,
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Speaker 1: You're right And as your yes you said, it's a
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Speaker 1: smell that lives with you forever. It's something that you
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Speaker 1: do not forget. And look when the police officers in
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Speaker 1: this case, and I know in past cases when we
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Speaker 1: did go into areas where you knew your instate kicked
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Speaker 1: in that there was a dead body, which goes into
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Speaker 1: mine now as your training and that is you have
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Speaker 1: a crime scene here, you need to protect it. You
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Speaker 1: need to bring as you say, the dogs in and
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Speaker 1: then begin an investigation. To Dave Matt, Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, Dave, explain to me why were cops
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Speaker 1: there and who answered the door. Cheyenne Jesse called in
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Speaker 1: a missing person's report on her father and her daughter,
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Speaker 1: claiming that they had left town and that she hadn't
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Speaker 1: heard from them in quite some time. So police came
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Speaker 1: out the next morning to do a follow up report
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Speaker 1: with her based on her phone calls that they were gone,
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Speaker 1: and it was, as you said, right at the front door.
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Speaker 1: They're there to follow upon a missing person's report and
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Speaker 1: they're hit with the smell. So let me ask you this, doctor,
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, you heard what Dave Matt just said. Bethany,
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Speaker 1: have you ever gone in somebody's house where they have
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Speaker 1: a lot of pets and apparently they don't know it
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Speaker 1: stinks like it smells like overwhelmingly like urine. The other
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Speaker 1: day I got a lead on a cold case and
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Speaker 1: went to a scene, a rural scene way out in
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Speaker 1: the country with canines, and before I left out a
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Speaker 1: long drive back, I asked, the people kind of used
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Speaker 1: their bathroom. So I came in. The moment I stepped
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Speaker 1: in the house, it was it almost knocked me out.
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Speaker 1: It was like someone had poured ammonia. And I went, wow,
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Speaker 1: you have such a beautiful home, because to look at it,
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Speaker 1: the home was neat as a pin. It was perfectly
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Speaker 1: in place. They ended up. I found out they had
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Speaker 1: eight cats that lived in the house. Long story short,
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Speaker 1: this person has I mean, can they not smell the
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Speaker 1: smell on the house. They just answered the door like
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Speaker 1: nothing's wrong. Can't they spray some light or something for
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Speaker 1: pete saite? Do they are they immune to it? You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: Sometimes not only do people not smell, sometimes they don't see,
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Speaker 1: especially hoarders or people who have mental illness. I'm treating
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Speaker 1: a couple in my Beverly health practice where they come
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Speaker 1: in dressed beautifully. You know, the wife nailed, are perfectly done,
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Speaker 1: her hair, she's in the beauty industry, and the husband
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Speaker 1: keeps complaining the house is messy. And I didn't I
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Speaker 1: thought he was just being a complainer. He sent me
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Speaker 1: pictures from his iPad the other day. You would think
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Speaker 1: it was a homeless encampment inside their house. She cannot
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Speaker 1: see the mess and she has bipolar illness. There's debris
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Speaker 1: piled everywhere, there's a dog. The dog defecates in the house.
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Speaker 1: It's like somebody just threw up all of their possessions
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Speaker 1: all over the place. So yeah, sometimes people don't smell,
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Speaker 1: sometimes they don't see, and often it's a variant of
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Speaker 1: obsessive compulsive disorder. But it's a very shocking situation to
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Speaker 1: go into a house and to know that somebody has
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Speaker 1: no idea the squalor they're living. In Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, the mother Cheyenne Jesse, reported the two missing
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Speaker 1: to deputies yesterday morning. She said maybe they were in Georgia.
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Speaker 1: Turns out they weren't in Georgia. They were just about
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Speaker 1: a half mile down the road at the landlord's house.
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Speaker 1: In this storage shed is where deputies found the bodies
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Speaker 1: of Mark Weekley and his granddaughter Meredith Jesse. Investigators say
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Speaker 1: Cheyenne Jesse killed the two in her father's home around
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Speaker 1: July eighteenth. A gun and a knife were used deputy
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Speaker 1: says she hid the bodies inside the home for a
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Speaker 1: few days, then put the bodies in toats. Eventually she
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Speaker 1: put the totes in this storage shed. Wow, you are
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Speaker 1: hearing from our friend at ABC Action News. That was
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Speaker 1: j Peterson. That is extremely rare, guys, to be accused
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Speaker 1: of murdering not only your father but your child, and
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Speaker 1: then to keep the bodies in your home before you
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Speaker 1: transport them in toakes elsewhere. Hold on, Todave Matt Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. Let's just start at the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, start with a welfare checky yell, Let me
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Speaker 1: hear the whole thing. The missing person report, Okay. Shyanne
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Speaker 1: Jesse called in a missing person's report on her father
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Speaker 1: and her daughter, saying that her father had taken her
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Speaker 1: six year old daughter and gone to Georgia from their
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Speaker 1: home in Florida. When police came to do the follow
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Speaker 1: up interview to find out more information, they were hit,
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Speaker 1: as you said, right at the door, with that foul
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Speaker 1: smell that they immediately recognized as decomposition. They proceeded into
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Speaker 1: the house where they saw candles they could tell they
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Speaker 1: were air fresheners everywhere, and that she seemed to not
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Speaker 1: be aware of her surroundings and that it was bad.
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Speaker 1: They also noticed inside the living room what appeared to
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Speaker 1: be bloodstains on the couch on a love seat, as
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Speaker 1: well as cut marks that appeared to be made in
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Speaker 1: the couch and a love seat from a knife. They
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Speaker 1: could see blood spatter on the walls. It was all
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Speaker 1: right there to be seen and shy, and Jesse was
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Speaker 1: trying to tell them a story for dad taking off
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Speaker 1: with her daughter and going to North Georgia to the
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Speaker 1: medical examiner from the state of Florida, very well known
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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher. Doctor Gallagher, is there any way you
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Speaker 1: can estimate how many homicide scenes you've been to? Oh,
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Speaker 1: that's a good question, Nancy. It seems to be more
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Speaker 1: and more of these days, unfortunately, but I would estimate
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Speaker 1: it's getting close to four or five hundred by now.
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Speaker 1: You know that same way here I try people ask
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Speaker 1: me how many cases I've tried, how many cases I've handled.
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Speaker 1: It's up in the thousands. And I know that's hard
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Speaker 1: to take in. But when you look at having been
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Speaker 1: in criminal law for years and years and years and
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Speaker 1: you just do the math, that's how many it is. Guys.
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Speaker 1: Medical examiners don't just sit in the morga all day
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Speaker 1: waiting for a dead body to show up. They have
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Speaker 1: typically a fleet of investigators that also investigate homicide scenes
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Speaker 1: right along with homicide investigators, cops, sheriffs. They go to
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Speaker 1: the scenes very very often. You know, it's amazing to me,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, how police keep doing what they're doing. They
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Speaker 1: come in, they've got this woman saying, my father and
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Speaker 1: my daughter are gone. They took off their missing The
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Speaker 1: cops can smell a dead body. They see blood on
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Speaker 1: the sofa and on the walls, and this woman is
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Speaker 1: speaking to them like she doesn't notice it. Doctor Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: how many crazy bizarre situations have you been in when
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Speaker 1: you go to a crime scene? I mean, what do
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Speaker 1: you recall? What do you do in that circumstance. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, again another good question, that's going to a
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Speaker 1: bizarre scene is kind of the normal thing for me. Now.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I lecture quite extensively throughout
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Speaker 1: the United States and a couple of countries, you know,
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Speaker 1: just on that. You know, it's it's just too numerous
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Speaker 1: to mention. You know, over time, as you realize you
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Speaker 1: develop a sixth sense as to whether somebody is telling
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Speaker 1: you the truth or whether they're trying to deceive you,
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Speaker 1: and you and the police officers do develop this sixth
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Speaker 1: sense or so whatever you want to call it, and
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Speaker 1: become very skeptical and become very suspicious and then intensify
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Speaker 1: their investigation. Joe Scott, let me refer to you by
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Speaker 1: your professional name, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor Forresick Jackson State University,
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Speaker 1: an author of Blood Beneath My Feet. You know a
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Speaker 1: lot of people will be repelled by that title. Not me.
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Speaker 1: It made me want to get it immediately and read it.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, when you go to a saint, this, this
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Speaker 1: is what is you know. I try to work a
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Speaker 1: case out like a Rubic's cube, and I work it
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Speaker 1: and work it until I try to figure it out.
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Speaker 1: How can she go to the door. The whole place
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Speaker 1: smells like a dead body. She calls the cops. She
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Speaker 1: calls the cops to the crime scene. They come in.
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Speaker 1: There's blood on the sofa, there's a blood on the walls.
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Speaker 1: And she's looking at them with a straight face, saying,
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Speaker 1: her dad and her little girl left, they went out
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Speaker 1: of town. And she's actually filing a missing person's report,
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Speaker 1: and she's been telling her relatives the same thing that
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Speaker 1: they took off. Yeah, you know, if it wasn't so tragic,
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Speaker 1: you would you know, it could be in Hollywood as
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Speaker 1: a comedy routine. And one of the interesting things, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that I have found over my years working cases is
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Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of people may witness or
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Speaker 1: participate in the ending of someone's life, but then at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, they have no idea, they
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Speaker 1: have no idea what to do with dead bodies. Because
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Speaker 1: that's the problem, isn't it. You enter into something that
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Speaker 1: escalates really quickly. You end somebody's life in some ghastly manner,
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Speaker 1: but then you're stuck with the bodies. What do I
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Speaker 1: do with them? And here she's left with this carnage
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Speaker 1: that's at the home. You've got the sofa that's been
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Speaker 1: sliced up, You've got blood stains everywhere, and then this
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Speaker 1: odor that permeates everything. How do you explain this away
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Speaker 1: to the authorities too? Dator Bethany Marshall, psychoanais joining me
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Speaker 1: out of la you know what, Joscott Morgan said, hold on,
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Speaker 1: I'm right now being joined by Ashley Wilcott, judge and
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer. You can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com.
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Speaker 1: Before I go to Bethany for a professional opinion, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: you're in court every day, sitting on the bench, hearing
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Speaker 1: stories just like this. We're talking about the scene, the blood,
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Speaker 1: the smell. But think about it, her daughter, Meredith is
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Speaker 1: just six years old. I'm sure you can remember your
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Speaker 1: children at age six. I mean, we're talking about the
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Speaker 1: crime scene very clinically and marveling, and how she can't
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Speaker 1: figure out that everybody can smell dead bodies, but her
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Speaker 1: and her father fifty and her daughter six. I mean,
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Speaker 1: let's bring this to life. We're not talking about some
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Speaker 1: clinical scene that Joe Scott Morgan presents his students at
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. This is real and if this is true,
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Speaker 1: this twenty five year old woman has murdered not only
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Speaker 1: her father but her sixty year old little child. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and don't forget the first responders when they walk in
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Speaker 1: and see all this, that's what they think about, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: not just preserving the scene to collect evidence, but that's
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Speaker 1: their immediate gut. They're like, what do you mean she's
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Speaker 1: talking about a father who's disappeared and her six year
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Speaker 1: old daughter. And you have to realize, I as a
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Speaker 1: judge them on the first responders, your heart sinks because
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Speaker 1: you think, oh my gosh, this means the inevitable bill.
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Speaker 1: There has been some brutal, terrific situation in which a
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Speaker 1: six year old and an older father are most likely gone.
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Speaker 1: And so it is. It's devastating to those have to
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Speaker 1: respond and hear what's actually happening to two people. And
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Speaker 1: you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, I'm just trying to wrap
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Speaker 1: my head around it because typically when I go to
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Speaker 1: court and I know you're going to back me up
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Speaker 1: on this, Ashley, I occasionally would look over at the
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Speaker 1: defendant and think why. I mean, do they have any
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Speaker 1: idea about the wake of pain they've left behind them?
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Speaker 1: But the state's job is not to prove why. Although
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Speaker 1: Jerry likes to hear a motive, but I don't get it.
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Speaker 1: How can somebody be so delusional that they can't smell
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Speaker 1: what nearly knocks everybody out on the front porch? They
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Speaker 1: what are they immune? Do they not notice all the
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Speaker 1: blood stains and the sofa ripped up? And then the
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Speaker 1: story that they're telling doctor Bethany Marshall, I've prosecuted and
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Speaker 1: covered cases where children kill their parents. It's extremely rare.
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Speaker 1: How rare is it? It's parenticide? Mattri's side, Patris side.
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Speaker 1: To not only kill your father, How rare is that?
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Speaker 1: How rare is it to kill your own child? Nancy?
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Speaker 1: It is extremely rare because usually when a parent kills
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Speaker 1: a child, like we think of Kasey Anthony, they're killing
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Speaker 1: the child because they are either getting back at another
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Speaker 1: caretaker or another parent, or they're getting the child out
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Speaker 1: of the way so they can have some idealized life.
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Speaker 1: Maybe she met a new guy, Maybe she met a boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: she was dating somebody. She felt that if she had
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Speaker 1: her six year old little girl, that six year old
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Speaker 1: little girl would get in the way. This is what
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Speaker 1: we saw with Casey Anthony. Right she started dating, she
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Speaker 1: was out on a strip or pole, she was out shopping.
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Speaker 1: She wanted to she wanted to have a love life,
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Speaker 1: and her little girl was in her few. But then
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Speaker 1: to change, to take the homicidal instinct that you have
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Speaker 1: towards your child and then directed towards your parent at
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Speaker 1: the same time. I actually can't think of the case
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Speaker 1: right now. Where a person kills both the parent and
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Speaker 1: the child, usually it's one or the other. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Hannah Lawrence WTVC. Chayanne Jesse grew
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Speaker 1: up in both Walker and Catoosa Counties. That's where I
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Speaker 1: found her family earlier. Today, family members describe what they
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Speaker 1: saw in the Florida home where Mark Weakley and his
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Speaker 1: granddaughter were brutally murdered. The blood trail. It's just unreal
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Speaker 1: to snail and to chake and scoop and love her
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Speaker 1: shovel and quton and toats and a moutin two hundred yards.
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Speaker 1: I don't see how she could do it. Police and
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Speaker 1: Florida say Cheyenne Jesse got in a fight with her
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Speaker 1: father on July eighteenth before she killed him. She's in
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Speaker 1: jail tonight, accused of also shooting and stabbing her six
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Speaker 1: year old daughter to death before hiding both of their bodies.
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Speaker 1: Keith submitted that she's stout it. She's confessed crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Jesse's family got a call from her
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Speaker 1: on July twenty eighth saying her dad and daughter were
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Speaker 1: missing to cover up the murder, but her stories didn't
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Speaker 1: match up. Supposedly Mark was supposed to have cancer. She
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Speaker 1: couldn't answer which doctor he went to see cancer. Janna
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Speaker 1: says her stories always seemed to contradict themselves, so when
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Speaker 1: they found out Jesse confessed to the murder, they realized
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Speaker 1: why she was beginning to make up stories. Just all
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Speaker 1: started falling back into place, all the comments and everything
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Speaker 1: that she had said before him. But for Jesse's former
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Speaker 1: classmate Polly Bridges, this was a big surprise. I was
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Speaker 1: shocked because I couldn't really she did it because she
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Speaker 1: was she was friendly, tell you in school? Why I
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Speaker 1: just our friends. Stephanie Stennistazzi at WTVC reporting on two
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Speaker 1: dead bodies, I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. To Dave Matt Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. So I'm understanding that she this
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Speaker 1: person twenty five year olds Cheyenne Jesse, a young mom,
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Speaker 1: murders her six year old daughter, Meredith and her father
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Speaker 1: Mark fifty. That's overwhelming to me that she could overcome
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Speaker 1: her father, Anne had the heart to murder her own daughter.
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Speaker 1: But I believe you mentioned she put their bodies in
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Speaker 1: toats and tried to hide them at a neighbor's yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: After the killings, she actually left them on the floor
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Speaker 1: where they died for four days. For four days, those
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Speaker 1: bodies decomposed in that house, she left them. But after
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Speaker 1: that fourth day she came back to the house and
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Speaker 1: she was hit with the smell like we've talked about already,
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Speaker 1: and decided that she had to do something. She claims
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Speaker 1: that she had seen a TV show and got the
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Speaker 1: idea of hiding their bodies in totes, the big plastic
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Speaker 1: tubs that we get. She scooped the bodies up because
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Speaker 1: they were decomposing, put them in the toats, and then
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Speaker 1: loaded them in the back of an suv and drove
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Speaker 1: them to a shed a couple hundred yards out the
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Speaker 1: back door of this house and stashed the bodies there.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's actually the show Criminal Minds. So I
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Speaker 1: guess Dr Bethany Marshall, this was all like a TV
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Speaker 1: show to her. She got the idea of disposing with
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Speaker 1: the bodies from the TV show Criminal Minds. Well, what
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Speaker 1: it tells me is that this was not premeditated. That sure,
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Speaker 1: maybe she saw a TV show. Maybe she thought it
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Speaker 1: would unfold in some prettable way where she could easily
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Speaker 1: hide the bodies, but Napcy she did not adequately prepare
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Speaker 1: a dumpsite. You know, most people who commit homicide think
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Speaker 1: ahead just a little bit about where they are going
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Speaker 1: to store those bodies, and usually it's not in a
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Speaker 1: plastic bin at a neighbor's house. You know, they think
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Speaker 1: ahead that there's going to be an odor or a
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Speaker 1: smell that you know, they're going to have to clean
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Speaker 1: up the crime scene. She was in some kind of
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Speaker 1: a state where she did not see what the house
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Speaker 1: looked like. She did not imagine people could see into
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Speaker 1: her and into the nature of the crime that she
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Speaker 1: had just committed. It helps me again, she might might
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Speaker 1: have been in some kind of a psychiatric state. Perhaps
23:47
Speaker 1: she's very low functioning. Perhaps she's profoundly selfish and she's
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Speaker 1: gotten away with everything in her wife, so she can't
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Speaker 1: imagine that she would also not get away with this.
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Speaker 1: But or she's just lue low IQ. But something's wrong
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Speaker 1: with her because she didn't see in herself what other
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Speaker 1: people immediately saw in her. Doctor Bethany Marshall no offense,
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Speaker 1: But have you ever seen a criminal case where you
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Speaker 1: don't think somebody's mentally ill. Ever, no, no, actually okay,
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Speaker 1: because in my mind, and we just heard who said
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Speaker 1: this was not premeditated, Oh it was you. Sorry, doctor Bethan,
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Speaker 1: need to pick on you. But as she willcot, premeditation
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Speaker 1: does not require a long plan so that she's poisoning
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Speaker 1: someone over a period of weeks or months. No premeditation
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Speaker 1: can be formed in the twinkling of an eye when
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Speaker 1: you raise the gun of polar trigger. That's long enough
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Speaker 1: for premeditation. And the law looks at it like that,
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Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter if you were poisoned or shot
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Speaker 1: in the head, you're dead, okay, And if you have
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Speaker 1: a moment to consider it under the law, that qualifies
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Speaker 1: as premeditation. Absolutely it happens a second. You're absolutely right, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The other thing that I have to say is premeditation
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Speaker 1: is one aspect of it. But the other aspect I
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Speaker 1: always want people to keep in mind is this mental
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Speaker 1: health diagnoses, right, the DSM five. That's one thing that
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Speaker 1: is different from an insanity defense in court. And so
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Speaker 1: I often see unfortunately heinous crimes like this where a
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Speaker 1: parent might have some type of mental health diagnosis, which
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Speaker 1: is very legitimate, very real needs treatment, but that does
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Speaker 1: not necessarily mean they were insane under the legal definition.
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Speaker 1: As a defense to Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, you go into
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Speaker 1: a scene like this, what's the first thing you do?
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Speaker 1: And remember, she got a lead on you. It's been
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Speaker 1: days since these murders occurred. But I mean, I gotta
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Speaker 1: believe Joe Scott that leaving the bodies to decompose on
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Speaker 1: the dining room floor for almost a week, you gotta
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Speaker 1: have a lot of forensic cabinets. So where do we start? Boy,
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Speaker 1: we do. We've got a basket full of Nancy And
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Speaker 1: to quote, to quote one of my forensic heroes and
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Speaker 1: the father of modern forensics, Edmund lecard to, every contact
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Speaker 1: leaves a trace, So it doesn't matter, it doesn't really
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Speaker 1: matter how long it has been since the crime was
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Speaker 1: actually committed. Every time she has contacted the body, all
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Speaker 1: of the injuries that have resulted as a result of
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Speaker 1: her crimes that will leave a trace. Moving the bodies
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Speaker 1: about she's got there might be drag marks that are
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Speaker 1: left behind, say in the blood that's trailed to wherever
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Speaker 1: she's manipulating the bodies. It sounds like she had a
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Speaker 1: long time with these bodies. Then getting the bodies out
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Speaker 1: of her residence and into these plastic containers. Again, you're
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Speaker 1: creating more evidence by transferring it over and then placing
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Speaker 1: it in a vehicle and transporting it. So literally, what
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Speaker 1: we have is a primary scene where this was perpetrated,
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Speaker 1: we have a kind of an intermediate scene with the vehicle,
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Speaker 1: and then we have a final resting spot. So every
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Speaker 1: time she has contacted something that could be through her hands,
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Speaker 1: she might be stepping in blood. And then not to
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Speaker 1: mention whatever weapon she's used, I think I've heard knife
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Speaker 1: and in firearm. Everything is going to leave a trace
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Speaker 1: behind to doctor Tim Gallagher, are renowed medical examder, joining
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Speaker 1: me out of the state of Florida, Doctor Gallagher. So
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Speaker 1: she got to jump on the cops. There has been
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Speaker 1: quite a period of time since she allegedly stabbed her
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Speaker 1: father twelve times and shot him, and then you've got
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Speaker 1: the daughter to deal with too. What can you expect
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Speaker 1: to find when bodies have been put in those containers
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Speaker 1: and so much time has elapsed. Well, unfortunately, here in Florida,
27:52
Speaker 1: that's not an uncommon scene to attend what typically happens
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Speaker 1: after you get past the odor when you open up
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Speaker 1: these totes, and especially if their waterproof, as the body decomposes,
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Speaker 1: it releases a lot of fluids, a lot of the
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Speaker 1: decompositional fluids in that is the decompositional bacteria, which provides
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Speaker 1: you the pungent or actually the putrid odor. A lot
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Speaker 1: of the times we've come across scenes in this way
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Speaker 1: where people are in barrels in these fifty five gallon
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Speaker 1: drums and their entire body is liquefied and all that
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Speaker 1: is left is the bones. But in this case, more
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Speaker 1: than likely the skin has turned black, the flesh has
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Speaker 1: gone liquefied, and most of the organs are decomposed at
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Speaker 1: this state. Well, in a state like that, how can
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Speaker 1: you tell that he has been stabbed multiple times? I mean,
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Speaker 1: how with the body decomposing in that manner, how can
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Speaker 1: you come up with a cod cause of death? That's
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Speaker 1: a good question, a lot of it, and you'll had
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Speaker 1: to inspect the bones. You'll see butcher type marks on
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Speaker 1: the bones, and you can also see bullet wounds, especially
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Speaker 1: if it's through the skull. Those are very well deserved
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Speaker 1: in cases of decomposition, guys, I don't understand what could
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Speaker 1: possibly be a motive to kill your child and your dad.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend at WTVC, Hannah Laurence.
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Speaker 1: Shy and Jesse went to middle school and some of
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Speaker 1: high school and Ringold before graduating from Ridgeland High School.
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Speaker 1: Jesse and her daughter had her daughter, Meredith a year later,
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Speaker 1: and that's when they moved to Florida with Jesse's father,
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Speaker 1: Mark Weekly. Jesse's aunt and uncle tell me that she
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Speaker 1: called them on July twenty eighth to say that Weekly
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Speaker 1: and her daughter were missing. On August second, boxes containing
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Speaker 1: their bodies were found in her father's shed. According to
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Speaker 1: Polk County officials in Florida, Jesse shot and stabbed the
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Speaker 1: two on July eighteenth before her parents safe something whatnot,
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Speaker 1: and she called till the twenty. I had to call
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Speaker 1: us to even let us know that they were supposedly missing.
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Speaker 1: But she had text fifteen different people, two different stories.
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Speaker 1: Because me and Mama Janice Weekly, I would mean herd
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Speaker 1: meet up and read each other's taxes off to each other,
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Speaker 1: and her said one time, mind said nothing. Crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, investigators say they knew things didn't add
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Speaker 1: up when they came to the house to complete the
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Speaker 1: missing person's reports. It's all right. There's a foul odor
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Speaker 1: in the house, and the detectives asked about that, and
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Speaker 1: she says, oh, I had some rotten meat and I
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Speaker 1: headed in the sink. She made the statement that she
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Speaker 1: saw criminal minds on television and that gave her the
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Speaker 1: idea to put the bodies in the Toads. Family friend
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Speaker 1: Fred Poor says Weekly was very close to his granddaughter.
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Speaker 1: You take his life the baby. Sheriff Grady Judd says
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Speaker 1: Jesse did not like her daughter, and she showed little
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Speaker 1: emotion through the interview process. Shy Anne Jesse is charlesed
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Speaker 1: with two counts of murder. Well, our friend Jake Peterson
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Speaker 1: and ABC Action News didn't like her daughter. I mean, children,
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Speaker 1: of course, can be very irritating and drive you crazy sometimes,
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Speaker 1: but that overwhelming love you have for them, it's hard
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Speaker 1: for me to imagine not liking your child. Cops arrive
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Speaker 1: for a missing person's report, they're just knocked over at
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Speaker 1: the front door by the smell of dead bodies. They
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Speaker 1: can't help but notice blood on the sofa and elsewhere.
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Speaker 1: But where is Mark Weekly? Shyne Jesse's dad and her
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Speaker 1: six year old little girl, Meredith. It doesn't take long
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Speaker 1: for cops to figure it out. But I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: determine any motive to make her stab her dad and
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, what was the cod on the little six
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Speaker 1: year old girl? What's the potential motive, Dave Matt, the
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Speaker 1: actual cod we had, Mark Weekly was shot three times
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Speaker 1: in the head. Meredith, the six year old girl, she
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Speaker 1: was shot once in the head. Now they both had
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Speaker 1: stab wounds, but they're having trouble determining how many stab wounds.
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Speaker 1: There actually is a motive, and it centers around We're
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Speaker 1: going back to the Casey Anthony thing of relationships, and
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Speaker 1: Cheyenne had been in a relationship with a man for
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Speaker 1: a number of months, actually living with him. It was
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Speaker 1: the relationship that she had with her daughter, Meredith that
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Speaker 1: caused the new boyfriend to back out of a marriage proposal.
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Speaker 1: They had a very contentious relationship. He talked about it
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Speaker 1: at length that Cheyenne and her daughter constantly fought. They
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Speaker 1: constantly didn't get along. And imagine a six year old
32:58
Speaker 1: child arguing with a mother and a mother who's not
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Speaker 1: bellwell balanced. This was a volable relationship and the one
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Speaker 1: thing we've been able to figure out. And you heard
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Speaker 1: the man make the comment. Her dad, Mark Weekly, loved
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Speaker 1: his granddaughter Meredith and never would let anything happen to her.
33:15
Speaker 1: But Cheyenne was the mom and she did not like
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Speaker 1: her daughter at all. Okay, you know what all this
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Speaker 1: business about not liking the daughter? Asked you, Wilcot, judge lawyer.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at asked you Wilcot dot com.
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Speaker 1: I feel sick. I feel sick because this is all
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Speaker 1: over a man. No offense, Doctor Gallagher, Joe Scott, Steve
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Speaker 1: Rogers and Dave Mack. But over a man. You know,
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Speaker 1: my grandmother used to say, you know what men are
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Speaker 1: like buses. There'll be a new one that'll come along
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Speaker 1: in about fifteen minutes. I mean, no offense, guys, because
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Speaker 1: you're awesome, But over a man, you would kill your
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Speaker 1: own child. I mean, do I have to say? Top
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Speaker 1: mum casey Anthony? Even further back, Susan Smith that got
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Speaker 1: rid of all of her little boys, strapping them into
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Speaker 1: their seat belts and pushing the car into the water
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Speaker 1: and watching it go down so she could marry the
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Speaker 1: rich single guy in town who was so not in
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Speaker 1: love with her. I mean, I don't get it. Do
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Speaker 1: you need a man that badly? Ashley? I don't get
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Speaker 1: it either, And you know Nancy or the question it
34:29
Speaker 1: always begs the question for man again. I see a
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Speaker 1: lot of this on the bench, and the question becomes,
34:34
Speaker 1: why did they get to have chunching in the first place,
34:36
Speaker 1: because clearly they're not going to have the protective capacity.
34:39
Speaker 1: They're going to choose a man, choose a partner, choose
34:41
Speaker 1: a person over their child. In my world, I see
34:44
Speaker 1: it way too often. I will never understand it. I
34:48
Speaker 1: will never get it. But that's what these criminals do
34:53
Speaker 1: and they should not have children in their care. The
34:55
Speaker 1: last thing I have to say, you have to wonder
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Speaker 1: how she treated that six year year old child during
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Speaker 1: the six year old child's life, because I do not
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Speaker 1: believe that it comes from being a doting mother for
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Speaker 1: six years and taking amazing care of this child too.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to kill the child today. I suspect that
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Speaker 1: child was abused and neglected during the six years. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, I couldn't agree with Ashley Moore with me,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst out of la and boy I bet you've
35:22
Speaker 1: got a lot of business out there. I told you,
35:25
Speaker 1: every time I go out there, it looks like I'm
35:28
Speaker 1: on another planet. Do you remember the story I tells you,
35:31
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. When I went down, I called it Rodeo Drive.
35:34
Speaker 1: I was quickly corrected rodeo drive. And all the women
35:39
Speaker 1: were super tall, super like abnormally skinny, with big fake prestesses,
35:47
Speaker 1: and they perfectly tinted. I mean, it looked natural. But
35:51
Speaker 1: everybody can't be blonde, okay, statistically, I mean. And I
35:57
Speaker 1: just came home feeling really pad about myself to keep
36:02
Speaker 1: telling myself that's not real. Okay, that's just that's not real.
36:08
Speaker 1: So I guess you. I guess you have a lot
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Speaker 1: of business. But back to this case, I don't get
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Speaker 1: it over a man. And first of all, I don't
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Speaker 1: believe that she could have a normal relationship with anybody,
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Speaker 1: a normal, happy relationship. And so I doubt pretty seriously
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Speaker 1: that this guy whoever has said I'd love to marry you,
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Speaker 1: Shyenne Jesse, except for that six year old daughter. That's
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Speaker 1: the fly in the ointment, that's the quote from Caddyshack,
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Speaker 1: turn in the punch Bowl. I mean, I don't believe
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Speaker 1: that for one minute either. However, in his court testimony,
36:45
Speaker 1: he seemed to blame the little girl, saying that the
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Speaker 1: little girl was I forget what language he used, but
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Speaker 1: that the little girl was difficult, that, as our reporter
36:54
Speaker 1: just said, the mother and child had a contentious relationship,
36:58
Speaker 1: as if the six year old could really fight with
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Speaker 1: a mother in a prolonged way. So it could be
37:05
Speaker 1: that both of them aligned to themselves against the little
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Speaker 1: girl and you know, a paranoid way, it's all her fault. Okay,
37:13
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Wait a minute. I've seen these situations
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Speaker 1: where the one, especially in Adrian Jones, the stepmother led
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Speaker 1: the natural father into the abuse. They both did it,
37:25
Speaker 1: but it's like the parents gang up on the child. Okay,
37:29
Speaker 1: what a horrible, horrible life for this six year old
37:34
Speaker 1: little girl with her mom and the boyfriend ganging up
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Speaker 1: on her. But I want you to take yeah, I
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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our friend Cameron
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Speaker 1: Polam and ABC Action. Niese, in her own words, accused
37:49
Speaker 1: murderer shy and Jesse explains to police the fear that
37:52
Speaker 1: forced her to take matters into her own hands so
37:56
Speaker 1: many times, and I just save with her. Essie is
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Speaker 1: talking about her six year old daughter, Meredith, telling detectives
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Speaker 1: she was so afraid of the little girl she had
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Speaker 1: to hide the kitchen knives. For the first time since
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Speaker 1: the bodies of Jesse's daughter and father, Mark Weekly, were
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Speaker 1: discovered at the family home in August, we're hearing the
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Speaker 1: original interrogation of the only suspect, one in which detectives
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Speaker 1: say Jesse lied and misled them around each corner, first
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Speaker 1: claiming her father and daughter had run off, then saying
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Speaker 1: the killings happened in self defense. To make sure that
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Speaker 1: I'm not alone with her because of her mentality. Meredith
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Speaker 1: had recently been diagnosed with bipolar disorder shortly before the murders,
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Speaker 1: Detectives describing Jesse as worried a new relationship might sour
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Speaker 1: due to her problems at home. I hadn't had a
38:44
Speaker 1: lot of mental problems, but I don't think that I
38:47
Speaker 1: had never shoot George ADNERD dollars. You know a lot
38:49
Speaker 1: of people have bipolar That does not equal insanity. I
38:54
Speaker 1: want to go to former FBI National Joint Terrorism Ask Force,
39:00
Speaker 1: former cop police detective Steve Rogers, Steve, how do you
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Speaker 1: go about proving this because I find it really difficult
39:09
Speaker 1: to believe that this mother killed in self defense, that
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Speaker 1: she was finding with her father and she killed him,
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Speaker 1: and that she was quote afraid of her six year
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Speaker 1: old little girl. How with a forensic evidence do you
39:24
Speaker 1: disprove that? Well, to begin with, Nancy, let's keep in
39:27
Speaker 1: mind that, Look, the mother had the presence of mind
39:31
Speaker 1: to plan an elibi, that's number one. She also had
39:35
Speaker 1: the presence of mind to plan a cover up. So
39:38
Speaker 1: you know, when when we go down the road of
39:40
Speaker 1: this type of investigation, yes, we interview friends, Yes we
39:44
Speaker 1: interview relatives, We look at all of the physical evidence,
39:48
Speaker 1: but we also looked at the elibi, and they cover
39:52
Speaker 1: up and and and that's how you prove it. Look,
39:54
Speaker 1: it's when a person creates an elibi, as you know,
39:57
Speaker 1: and does what she did to cover up the crime.
40:00
Speaker 1: It points towards the fact that the person is absolutely,
40:03
Speaker 1: without a doubt, guilty of committing this crime. So you know,
40:07
Speaker 1: it'll go back to motive. Your prior guests did talk
40:10
Speaker 1: about a motive, but at the end of the day,
40:12
Speaker 1: the person hangs themselves through what they you know, to
40:15
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, I still don't understand why she were com
40:18
Speaker 1: police report her daughter and father missing, especially with the
40:22
Speaker 1: overwhelming smell of decomposing bodies and blood on the sofa.
40:27
Speaker 1: Why would she do that, Auntie. It's very curious to
40:30
Speaker 1: me too. I think that some criminals do not see
40:35
Speaker 1: in themselves what other people see in them. Remember Casey Anthony,
40:39
Speaker 1: she as soon as her daughter went missing, as I
40:42
Speaker 1: said earlier, she was out on this trip or pole,
40:44
Speaker 1: she was out partying. She went to her boyfriend's house.
40:47
Speaker 1: She you know, she lived like La Bella vita, like
40:51
Speaker 1: her tattoo, and she didn't imagine that other people that
40:56
Speaker 1: that would arouse suspicion in others. I really think that
41:01
Speaker 1: they tell themselves lies. They tell themselves that they haven't
41:06
Speaker 1: done anything wrong, and if they don't think they've done
41:09
Speaker 1: anything wrong, other people will not think they've done anything wrong.
41:13
Speaker 1: They're like little kids who, you know, eat the cookie
41:17
Speaker 1: out of take the cookie out of the cookie jar
41:19
Speaker 1: as soon as the parent leaves the room, and the
41:21
Speaker 1: parent comes in back in and says, where's the cookie, Oh,
41:24
Speaker 1: I didn't eat it. You know, very transparent kinds of lies.
41:28
Speaker 1: It comes from a very childlike way of viewing the world.
41:31
Speaker 1: I guess they convinced themselves. They've got all their bases
41:34
Speaker 1: covered and they start believing their lie, like Tom mom
41:37
Speaker 1: or like O. J. Simpson or Susan Smith. Question to you,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, is it true? Now?
41:46
Speaker 1: This is going to just push me over the edge
41:48
Speaker 1: if you say yes that CPS Child Protective Services had
41:52
Speaker 1: been at the home the day before the last day
41:56
Speaker 1: Meredith was seen alive. If so, plain to me why
42:01
Speaker 1: and why'd they leave the little girl there? Child Protective
42:03
Speaker 1: Services had been involved with this family with the relationship
42:08
Speaker 1: between Cheyenne and Meredith. The report that we're getting is
42:13
Speaker 1: that a family member who was down there visiting the
42:17
Speaker 1: week before all this took place, witnessed Meredith with fresh
42:23
Speaker 1: bruising about her neck, back and chest and actually entered
42:28
Speaker 1: into a discussion with Meredith where, according to this relative,
42:32
Speaker 1: Meredith said that Child Protective Services was threatening to take
42:35
Speaker 1: away the child and she would never let that happen.
42:38
Speaker 1: So they got into a conversation with Cheyenne Jesse about
42:41
Speaker 1: her daughter and they see the daughter's face, did you
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Speaker 1: say face, chest and arms, her neck back and chest,
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Speaker 1: nick back and chest covered in bruises, I mean, Ashley Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: really you're the juvenile expert. It why I mean, I
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Speaker 1: know I sound like a broken record, but I feel
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Speaker 1: like we should just fire everybody would defacts as a CPS,
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Speaker 1: move out of the building and just start over, because
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Speaker 1: I believe that they should all be put in jail.
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Speaker 1: I just can't Sometimes take another child abused, they know
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Speaker 1: about it and they do nothing and the child is killed. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: system fail. You know, I've said that so many times
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Speaker 1: on your show. I sound like a broken record. And
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. I know a lot of individual case managers,
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Speaker 1: supervisors for defects, very good people, very well intentioned to
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Speaker 1: do an excellent job. The problem is when you have
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Speaker 1: these children that fall through the cracks, when you have
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Speaker 1: marks and bruises on a child and it is not
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Speaker 1: something that can be explained by a very normal, correct
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Speaker 1: way of For instance, they were on their scooter and
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Speaker 1: fell in the street and these are the scrapes and
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Speaker 1: this looks like the scrapes. They're very different types of
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Speaker 1: bruises and marks. So you have an instance like in
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Speaker 1: this case that's just been described, the child cannot remain
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Speaker 1: where the child's at risk, and so I couldn't agree
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Speaker 1: with you more. It's a system fail that it's so
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Speaker 1: preventative to prevent the child from then being killed by
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Speaker 1: the mother. It just is mind blowing. In this case,
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Speaker 1: police have called it a double murder of the worst kind.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this and then a Lakeland mother
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Speaker 1: could be sent to death row for murdering her daughter
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Speaker 1: and father. Cheyenne Jesse found out her fate late tonight.
44:36
Speaker 1: A jury found her guilty earlier this week of shooting
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Speaker 1: them and stabbing the two back in twenty fifteen. Jesse
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Speaker 1: stuffed their bodies into plastic bins then hit them behind
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Speaker 1: a neighbor's shed. A judge's taking the jury's decision of
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Speaker 1: death into consideration before making a final ruling. You were
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Speaker 1: hearing our friends at Action News ABC to Dave mag
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Speaker 1: this has to go in front of a judge and
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Speaker 1: he or she has to adopt the death penalty decision
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Speaker 1: by the jury. Will it happen, Nancy? It's up to him.
45:05
Speaker 1: The choice now is the judge can either sentence her
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Speaker 1: to death and she'll head to the death row, or
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Speaker 1: he can sentence her to life without bail or without parole.
45:14
Speaker 1: You know I'm looking at her picture now, Cheyenne Jesse.
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Speaker 1: You know what Jackie? Look at her? I tell you what,
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Speaker 1: if I met her on the street, I would go
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Speaker 1: to the other Jackie just said, I would run. The
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Speaker 1: way she is looking at the camera, it looks as
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Speaker 1: at any moment she's going to unleash talents and rip
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Speaker 1: the throat of her out of whoever's taken this picture.
45:40
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I know it sounds crazy, but both Jackie
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Speaker 1: and have the same do you agree, jack I mean,
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Speaker 1: just looking at her, she looks so evil and mean
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Speaker 1: the look in her eyes. Can that be possible? Or
45:56
Speaker 1: am I or am I projecting because of what I
45:58
Speaker 1: know about her? You know, Nancy, I saw that same photo.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm looking at it right now. It's scary.
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Speaker 1: She looks angry, she looks hateful, malevolent. You know, you
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Speaker 1: keep asking the question why would she kill both her
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Speaker 1: daughter and her father? And I started thinking about Kasey Anthony.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember that Kasey Anthony was bragging to one
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Speaker 1: of her girlfriends that she was going to get her
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Speaker 1: parents house that I think either that one of the
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Speaker 1: parents was sick or they were going to move away,
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Speaker 1: and that all the parents money and house was going
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Speaker 1: to be hers. So now, obviously Kasey didn't kill her parents,
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Speaker 1: but there was also a fantasy of getting them out
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Speaker 1: of the way so she could get the spoils of
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Speaker 1: their life, so she could have their assets or resources.
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Speaker 1: And it does make me wonder. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: ifs weekly the father had resources, but maybe this her
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Speaker 1: mom not only wanted her daughter out of the way
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Speaker 1: so she could have an idealized life, but maybe she
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Speaker 1: felt her dad was holding her back and if he
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Speaker 1: was gone that she could just be free to use
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Speaker 1: the house, you know, eat the food, you know, lie
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Speaker 1: on the sofa, eat chips, as you used to say
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Speaker 1: about Casey Anthony, and do whatever she wanted, not have
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Speaker 1: to work date Mary. You know, she and her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: were living in a trailer on his family's compound, so
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Speaker 1: the idea of how having the dad's house might have
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Speaker 1: been a motivator too. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace crime story signing off Goodbye Friend,