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Shadows on King Road: The Idaho Murders Case Study · Crime Night

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  Speaker 1: Picture of the scene. It is four point zero zero
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  Speaker 1: am on a freezing November night, November thirteenth, twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: You're inside this large, three story wooden house built right
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  Speaker 1: into a hillside at eleven twenty two King Road in
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  Speaker 1: the rural, snowy town of Moscow, Idaho.
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  Speaker 2: Right and Moscow is you know the kind of tight
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  Speaker 2: knit college town where people don't always lock their doors?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: How's your typical off campus student rental usually buzzing with activity,
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  Speaker 2: but at this hour it's finally quiet, well except for
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  Speaker 2: maybe the lingering hum of a Saturday night winding down.
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  Speaker 1: But on the second floor, a twenty one year old
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  Speaker 1: student named Dylan wakes up to these really strange noises.
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  Speaker 1: At first, she rationalizes it. She thinks maybe her roommate
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  Speaker 1: upstairs is just playing with her dog. But the noises persists,
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  Speaker 1: and then she hears crying coming from down the.
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  Speaker 2: Hall, which is terrifying. And then a male voice murmurs
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  Speaker 2: softly through the thin drywall. He says something like it's okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to help you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh God. So Dylan creeps out of bed. She cracks
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  Speaker 1: her bedroom door open just a few inches, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just to peek into the pitch black hallway, and out of.
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  Speaker 2: The shadows, a figure emerges. He's dressed entirely in black.
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  Speaker 2: A mask covers his mouth and nose, leaving only his
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  Speaker 2: eyes and these distinct, bushy eyebrows visible.
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  Speaker 1: And the stranger just walks directly toward her. He locks
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  Speaker 1: eyes with her for a split second.
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  Speaker 2: You know, even speak, does he.
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  Speaker 1: No, he doesn't speak, He doesn't attack. He just simply
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  Speaker 1: walks right past her frozen body, heads toward a sliding
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  Speaker 1: glass door at the back of the kitchen, and vanishes
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  Speaker 1: into the cold night wow, leaving her absolutely paralyzed in
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  Speaker 1: the dark.
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  Speaker 2: Just completely frozen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that chilling moment is where we begin our
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  Speaker 1: deep dive today into one of the most notorious and
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  Speaker 1: frankly mystifying crimes in modern history, the Idaho for murders.
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  Speaker 2: It really is a case that gripped the entire country.
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  Speaker 1: It did, and our mission today is to take you
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  Speaker 1: step by step through the sources we've gathered to understand
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  Speaker 1: this impossibly tight timeline, the intense digital manhunt, the psychological
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  Speaker 1: profile of an unlikely predator, and that sudden legal twist
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  Speaker 1: that left the victim's families permanently fractured.
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  Speaker 2: There's just so much to cover here, there is.
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  Speaker 1: So let's unpack everything that happened after that sliding glass
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  Speaker 1: door closed.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So, following that terrifying encounter, Dylan operates purely on
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  Speaker 2: survival instinct and confusion. Yeah, she locks herself in a
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  Speaker 2: basement bedroom with another surviving roommate, Bethany, and they remain
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  Speaker 2: completely paralyzed in that room for hours.
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  Speaker 1: And the timeline here is what tricks a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people up, I think, because it isn't until eleven fifty
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  Speaker 1: five am, which is nearly eight hours later, that a
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  Speaker 1: nine to one one call is finally placed.
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  Speaker 2: Eight hours later, right.
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  Speaker 1: Friends who were called over to the house finally dial
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  Speaker 1: emergency services to report an unconscious person.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, the phrasing of that nine one one
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  Speaker 2: call tells us a whole lot about human psychology. Oh
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  Speaker 2: so well, the dispatcher logged it as an unconscious person
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  Speaker 2: because the friends and roommates simply couldn't process what they
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  Speaker 2: were actually looking at. When the Moscow Police Department arrives,
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  Speaker 2: they aren't met with someone passed from a party. They
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  Speaker 2: walk into an absolute waking nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: It's just horrific. On the second floor, they find twenty
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  Speaker 1: year old Xana Kernodle and her boyfriend, twenty year old
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin. They had been attacked with what police classify
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  Speaker 1: as an edged weapon, and Xana's fingers were nearly severed,
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  Speaker 1: which indicates this desperate, violent fight for her life.
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  Speaker 2: It's awful. And then moving up to the third floor,
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  Speaker 2: officers find best friends Maddy Mogan and Kaylee Gonkav, both
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  Speaker 2: twenty one, attacked in the very same bed. Oh wow yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and Kaylee also showed severe defensive wounds. The forensic analysis
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  Speaker 2: basically points to a blitz attack. It was fast, it
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  Speaker 2: was merciless, and it was designed to overwhelm the victims
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  Speaker 2: before they could fully wake up or fight back effectively.
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  Speaker 1: But in the middle of this calculated, horrific slaughter, the
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  Speaker 1: killer made a single.
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  Speaker 2: Mistake, one massive mistake.
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  Speaker 1: Left behind on the bed, just partially tucked under the covers,
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  Speaker 1: next to the victims was a tan leather knife sheath
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  Speaker 1: for a cow bar combat knife, and.
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  Speaker 2: That physical eye them that sheath is the linchpin in
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  Speaker 2: this entire case. Absolutely, But before law enforcement could even
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  Speaker 2: begin to process the microscopic evidence on it, the public
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  Speaker 2: cut wind of the story, and the internet sleuths immediately
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  Speaker 2: turned their crosshairs on the surviving roommates.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the vitriol directed at Dylan and Bethany was just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: People online were demanding to know why someone wouldn't call
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  Speaker 1: nine one one immediately after seeing a masked man in
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  Speaker 1: their house, Which is so unfair.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I always think of the human brain's trauma
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  Speaker 1: response like a circuit breaker in a house. When a
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  Speaker 1: massive surge of electricity hits like a threat, your system
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  Speaker 1: simply cannot process. The breaker trips to prevent a total
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  Speaker 1: electrical fire.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good analogy.
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  Speaker 1: Your brain physically shuts down the reality of the threat.
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  Speaker 1: You tell yourself a story just to survive the moment.
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  Speaker 1: You convince yourself it was a strange guest, or a
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  Speaker 1: bad dream, or some weird prank, just to avoid facing
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  Speaker 1: the unthinkable worst case scenario.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that involuntary survival mechanism is thoroughly documented in
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  Speaker 2: trauma psychology. We constantly seek rationality in highly irrational moments.
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  Speaker 2: Right the public sitting safely behind their keyboards miles away,
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  Speaker 2: they just couldn't comprehend the literal physiological paralysis of real trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Blaming the survivors was just a way for those Internet
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  Speaker 2: sleuths to make a terrifying random event feel somehow controllable
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  Speaker 2: in their own heads.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. But while the Internet was spinning those wild accusatory theories,
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement was already pivoting from that physical knife sheath
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  Speaker 1: to a massive digital dragnet.
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  Speaker 2: And the urgency there was driven by the timeline, which
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  Speaker 2: was terrifyingly narrow. Digital forensics pulled from the victim's phones
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  Speaker 2: showed that at four am, Xanner received a door dash
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  Speaker 2: food delivery.
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  Speaker 1: Four in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Right, her phone data reveals she was scrolling on TikTok
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  Speaker 2: until exactly four twenty twelve am. And based on the
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  Speaker 2: nine to one one call and surveillance audio from a
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  Speaker 2: neighboring house, the killer is gone by four to twenty am.
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  Speaker 1: So wait, that leaves a window of roughly eight mins
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  Speaker 1: for someone to enter a home, navigate a pretty complex layout,
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  Speaker 1: execute four people on two different floors, and.
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  Speaker 2: Leave just eight minutes. Yeah, that is wild.
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  Speaker 1: And to map that window, police didn't just look at
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  Speaker 1: the house. They pulled surveillance video from the entire surrounding neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: And this isn't like watching a continuous movie, you know.
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  Speaker 2: No, I imagine it's exhausting.
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  Speaker 1: It is a painstaking process of stitching together these disjointed
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  Speaker 1: three second clips from dozens of ring doorbells and security
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  Speaker 1: cameras just to create a digital canvas. And from that
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  Speaker 1: huge mosaic of footage, they finally identify a vehicle, a
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  Speaker 1: white twenty eleven to twenty thirteen Hyundai Elantra. It's caught
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  Speaker 1: on camera passing the dead end street repeatedly executing this
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  Speaker 1: really anxious, deliberate pattern.
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  Speaker 2: Soarts circling like a shark. The vehicle finally parks in
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  Speaker 2: a specific camera blind spot behind the house at exactly
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  Speaker 2: four point zero four am. Wow. And sixteen minutes later,
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  Speaker 2: at four to twenty am, that exact same car is
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  Speaker 2: seen speeding away from the neighborhood at a high irate
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  Speaker 2: of speed.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this, because the proximity of those events
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  Speaker 1: is just staggering. The door dash driver drops off the
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  Speaker 1: food at four point zero am. The killer parks at
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  Speaker 1: four point zero four am, so close you have to
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  Speaker 1: wonder about the mechanics of that specific moment was the
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  Speaker 1: killer already nearby, watching from the dark tree line, just
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  Speaker 1: waiting for the delivery driver's tailights to fade.
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  Speaker 2: It really highlights the volatile, adrenaline fueled reality of that night.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this wasn't a sterile controlled environment. It was
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  Speaker 2: a chaotic, moving puzzle. The killer risked walking into an
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  Speaker 2: active house where people were obviously still awake in eating food.
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  Speaker 2: But that white Alantra gave police their first tangible lead
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  Speaker 2: to broadcast out to other agencies.
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  Speaker 1: And the breakthrough comes just days later. Campus police at
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  Speaker 1: Washington State University in Pullman, which is a nineteen minute
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  Speaker 1: drive across the state line from Moscow, are scanning their
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  Speaker 1: own parking lots and they spot a twenty fifteen white.
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  Speaker 2: Alantra nineteen minutes away right.
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  Speaker 1: They run the plates and the registration comes back to
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  Speaker 1: a student named Brian Coke.
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  Speaker 2: And getting a name is just the first step. Digging
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  Speaker 2: into the background of that name is what elevated this
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  Speaker 2: investigation into a chilling psychological study.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely. Brian Coberger was a twenty eight year old PhD
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  Speaker 1: student in criminology. He was actively studying the minds of criminals,
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  Speaker 1: having just earned his master's degree in criminal Justice from
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  Speaker 1: d Sales University.
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  Speaker 2: His academic pedigree is highly significant here. At the Sales
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  Speaker 2: he studied under doctor Catherine Ramsland, who was a renowned
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  Speaker 2: forensic psychologist. She literally wrote the book on the BTK
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  Speaker 2: serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, really the BTK killer?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. She focuses heavily on the gap between a killer's
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  Speaker 2: fantasy and the messy, chaotic reality of actually committing a crime.
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  Speaker 1: And Coburger seemed obsessed with mapping that exact emotional landscape.
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  Speaker 1: The sources show that while at d Sales, he posted
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  Speaker 1: a detailed survey on Reddit, specifically asking individuals who had
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  Speaker 1: committed crimes to detail their experiences.
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  Speaker 2: Right, trying to get into their heads.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't just ask about logistics. He asked questions
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  Speaker 1: like what were you think, thinking and feeling? And how
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  Speaker 1: did you select your target? He was essentially trying to
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  Speaker 1: crowd source the internal mechanics of violent behavior, and.
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  Speaker 2: That academic obsession bled directly into his real life actions.
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  Speaker 2: When investigators secured a Warren for his cell phone records,
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  Speaker 2: that data revealed a distinct pattern of digital stockings.
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  Speaker 1: This part is so creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Between July and November, Coberger's phone pinged the cellular towers
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  Speaker 2: servicing the victim's house on King Road twenty three separate times.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty three times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and these pings almost exclusively occurred late at night
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  Speaker 2: between ten zero zero pm and four zero zero am.
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  Speaker 1: So he was canvassing the property for months. But on
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  Speaker 1: the actual night of the murders, his phone data does
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  Speaker 1: something incredibly suspicious. It goes completely dark.
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  Speaker 2: Conveniently, he either turns.
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  Speaker 1: The phone off or puts it in airplane mode right
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  Speaker 1: before he leaves his apartment in Pullman, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: reconnect to the network until four four eight am, when
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  Speaker 1: he's taking this long, circuitous route on arc back roads
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  Speaker 1: back to Washington.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a crucial point about digital forensics. As
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  Speaker 2: a criminology student, he likely understood that cell phones act
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  Speaker 2: as tracking devices, pinging sector antennas even when you're not
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  Speaker 2: making a call. Sure, so he turned his phone off
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  Speaker 2: to avoid placing himself at the crime scene, But he
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  Speaker 2: failed to realize that the absence of data is in
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  Speaker 2: itself a form of data. Creating a two hour digital
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  Speaker 2: void during the exact window of a quadruple homicide while
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  Speaker 2: your car is caught on camera is highly incriminating.
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  Speaker 1: I just keep thinking. If he's studying how to evade capture,
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  Speaker 1: why drive a highly identifiable personal vehicle to the scene,
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  Speaker 1: and why I bring your phone at all, even to
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  Speaker 1: turn it off.
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  Speaker 2: It comes down to the paradox of arrogance. In a
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  Speaker 2: university classroom, you control all the variables. You write papers
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  Speaker 2: on optimal criminal evasion. Yeah, but actually committing a violent
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  Speaker 2: physical assault is exhausting and it's chaotic. Yeah. Reality hits exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The heart rate spikes to one hundred and sixty beats
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  Speaker 2: per minute, tunnel vision sets in, and that academic mask
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  Speaker 2: just slips. He probably believed his theoretical knowledge made him
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  Speaker 2: smarter than the police, but that very arrogance led to
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  Speaker 2: sloppy practical mistakes.
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  Speaker 1: And the ultimate mistake being his return to the scene.
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  Speaker 1: At nine to twelve am, which is five hours after
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  Speaker 1: the murders. His phone connects to the network right back
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  Speaker 1: at the King Road house.
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  Speaker 2: Five hours later, while the surviving roommates are still trapped
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  Speaker 2: in the basement. He drives back and lingers in the
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  Speaker 2: area for nine minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Why would he do that?
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  Speaker 2: Well. The psychology behind returning to a crime scene usually
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  Speaker 2: involves either a panic over lost evidence like maybe realizing
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  Speaker 2: the Knight Sheath was missing, or a compulsion to revel
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  Speaker 2: in the aftermath and watch the police response.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And you know, the public and the families were
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  Speaker 1: left grappling with the motive for so long. Why target
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  Speaker 1: this specific house, Why these four students.
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  Speaker 2: It's the biggest question. The courts have kept the official
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  Speaker 2: motive tightly sealed, but analyzing his background reveals a deeply
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  Speaker 2: disturbing profile. Coburger was employed as a teaching assistant at
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  Speaker 2: Washington State, but he was terminated from that position shortly
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  Speaker 2: after the murders.
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  Speaker 1: And the sources show the termination stemmed from his antagonistic behavior,
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  Speaker 1: specifically toward women. Female students and faculty documented a pattern
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  Speaker 1: of deep misogyny. He reportedly argued that women had no
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  Speaker 1: business pursuing higher education and should adhere to traditional homemaker roles.
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  Speaker 2: And if we connect this to the bigger picture, this
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  Speaker 2: rhetoric aligns very closely with the in cell or involuntary
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  Speaker 2: celibate subculture. It's this digital ideology built on a foundation
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  Speaker 2: of intense resentment, entitlement, and the desire to retaliate against
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  Speaker 2: women for perceived romantic rejection.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredibly toxic.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, these online spaces act as echo chambers, essentially providing
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  Speaker 2: a permission structure for violence.
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  Speaker 1: The sources indicate he may have modeled his behavior after
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  Speaker 1: Elliott Roger, a mass murderer who attacked the California Sorority
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  Speaker 1: back in twenty fourteen out of this overwhelming anger toward women. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Coburger actually took a university course that critically analyzed Roger's manifesto.
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  Speaker 2: And the psychological parallel becomes even more apparent when you
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  Speaker 2: look at the digital footprint left in the wake of
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  Speaker 2: the Idaho murders. In the weeks before his arrest, a
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  Speaker 2: user operating under the alias Papa Roger began posting in
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  Speaker 2: a Facebook discussion group dedicated to.
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  Speaker 1: The case Papa Roger, inserting himself right into the conversation exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And this user wasn't just observing. He was highly combative.
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  Speaker 2: He was arguing with other members and constantly trying to
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  Speaker 2: position himself as the smartest person in the.
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  Speaker 1: Room, just like his Reddit study.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he posted survey like questions remarkably similar to Coburger's
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  Speaker 2: Reddit study, asking things like how did the killer hold
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  Speaker 2: the knife prior to entering the scene, And he.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't stop at theoretical questions, Papa Rogers stated as a
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  Speaker 1: matter of fact that the murder weaper was a fixed
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  Speaker 1: blade knife and that the killer had left the sheath behind.
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  Speaker 2: On the bed, which is insane.
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  Speaker 1: He posted this detailed physical evidence well before law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: had released any information about the knife sheath to the public.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Because narcissistic offenders often struggle to stay away from
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  Speaker 2: their own crimes, inserting oneself into a live online investigation
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  Speaker 2: is a classic digital power play.
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  Speaker 1: It's all about control exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It allows the offender to relive the thrill of the
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  Speaker 2: crime while simultaneously mocking the authorities for not being as
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  Speaker 2: smart as they are.
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  Speaker 1: Well, while he was playing games online, the real world
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  Speaker 1: investigation was closing the net. On December thirteenth, a month
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  Speaker 1: after the murders, Coberger and his father embark on this
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  Speaker 1: cross country drive from Washington State back to his family's
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  Speaker 1: home in Pennsylvania for winter break, and.
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  Speaker 2: During that drive they're pulled over twice by police in Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: I remember saying that, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The bodycam footage captures Coburger staring blankly, completely silent, while
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  Speaker 2: his father handles the whole interaction with the officers. Once
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  Speaker 2: they reach Pennsylvania, the FBI is already waiting. They set
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  Speaker 2: up round the clock surveillance on.
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  Speaker 1: The family home, and the surveillance teams watch him meticulously
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  Speaker 1: detail hill his white olantra. He's wearing surgical gloves, scrubbing
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  Speaker 1: the interior from top to bottom, desperately trying to erase
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  Speaker 1: any physical history from the vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: But you can't scrub awaid genetics, No you can't. When
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  Speaker 2: the family placed their household trash on the curb, investigators
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  Speaker 2: executed a covert trash pull. They secured a DNA sample
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  Speaker 2: from the garbage and send it straight to the lab
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  Speaker 2: to utilize a technique called investigative genetic genealogy or IgG.
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  Speaker 1: Which is fascinating. Let's break down how IgG actually works,
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  Speaker 1: because it's this massive shift in how crimes are solved.
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  Speaker 1: Police don't just run DNA through a criminal database hoping
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  Speaker 1: for a direct match anymore, rightbout this note. They extract
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  Speaker 1: the microscopic DNA profile left on the button snap of
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  Speaker 1: that nice sheath, and they upload it to public open
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  Speaker 1: source genealogy websites.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially, they're looking for genetic cousins. Once they find distant
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  Speaker 2: relatives who share specific blocks of DNA. Specialized genealogists build
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  Speaker 2: massive family trees backward to find a set of common
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  Speaker 2: ad ancestors. Then they build the tree forward, tracing the
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  Speaker 2: descendants until they isolate a male of the right age
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  Speaker 2: living in the right geographical location. It is quite literally
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  Speaker 2: the process of reverse engineering a suspects identity, and it worked.
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  Speaker 1: The lab confirmed that the DNA pulled from the Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: trash belonged to the biological father of the man who
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  Speaker 1: left his DNA on the knife sheath in Idaho.
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  Speaker 2: The genetic math was undeniable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so on December thirtieth, just after midnight, heavily armed
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  Speaker 1: SWAT teams breached the doors of the Pennsylvania home and
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  Speaker 1: took Brian Coberger into custody.
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  Speaker 2: And then the legal machinery ground forward for over a year.
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  Speaker 2: The state of Idaho formally announced its intent to seek
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  Speaker 2: the death penalty. Coberger's defense team filed numerous motions to
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  Speaker 2: challenge the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: They really fought it.
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  Speaker 2: They presented an alibi, claiming he was simply out driving
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  Speaker 2: and stargazing in rural areas on the night of the murders.
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  Speaker 1: Stargazing on a cloudy, freezing night with his phone completely
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  Speaker 1: disconnected from the network while a vehicle met his is
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  Speaker 1: caught on video circling a home where four people are
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  Speaker 1: subsequently killed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the claim. The defense also filed motions
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  Speaker 2: attempting to strike the death penalty by citing a recent
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: autism diagnosis.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, this part was wild to read about.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: They argue that Coburger's lack of facial expression and stoic demeanor,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: which the media frequently labeled a sinister stare, were actually
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: manifestations of autism.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: The argument was that a jury might misinterpret these neurodivergent
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: traits as a chilling lack of remorse and thereby expose
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: him to an unconstitutional execution.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: And to be clear to you listening, we are simply
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: reporting the legal strategies employed by the defense team, and
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: their filings were definitely not endorsing the validity of using
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: an autism diagnosis to explain away demeanor in a homicide case,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: right exactly. But the judge systematically denied these motions, and
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a high stakes public trial was scheduled for August twenty
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: twenty five.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: But then the legal landscape fractured entirely just weeks before
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: the trial was set to begin, Brian Coberger walked into
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: the courtroom and changed his plea a total shock, he
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to four counts of first degree murder.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: He admitted guilt in open court. The motivation was purely transactional.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I mean by pleading guilty, he secured a deal that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: permanently took the death penalty off the table, accepting a
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: sentence of life in prison without the possibility of.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Parole, and that sudden resolution created a really agonizing rift
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: among the victim's families. The justice system often requires victims
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: to weigh the desire for ultimate punishment against the grueling
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: emotional toll of the actual legal process.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah the sources note that Ethan Chapin's family publicly supported
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the plea deal. They expressed a deep desire to just avoid.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: A trial, which is completely understandable.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, they didn't want their family to endure weeks of
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: gruesome crime scene photos, cross examinations, and the massive media
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: circus that would inevitably descend on the courtroom. For them,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a guaranteed life sentence provided a definitive end to the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: leagual nightmare.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Conversely, Kaylee Guncalf's family felt profoundly betrayed by the state.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Her father voiced intense frustration, feeling they were robbed of
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: true accountability.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted the state to lay out every single
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: piece of evidence under oath. They wanted to force the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: suspect to sit in a courtroom and face the full
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: weight of his actions, and most importantly, they wanted to
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: know the specific motive.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: But a plea deal silence is that narrative?
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: The defendant simply admits guilt and is sent to prison.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: There is no legal requirement to explain the why. The
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: public trial was the only mechanism the families had to
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: uncover the full story and understand the terrifying logic behind
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the targeting of their children. Now that void of unanswered
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: questions is just permanent.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: It really forces us to confront a difficult reality about
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the legal system. The resolution of a case does not
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: always equate to the resolution of grief.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: No, it rarely does.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: The sheer scale of this tragedy is difficult to measure.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: We've examined how a matiicl less planner, armed with advanced
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: academic knowledge of criminal behavior, attempted to execute a flawless crime.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: He wore a mask manipulated his digital footprint and obsessively
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: cleaned his vehicle.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yet the entirety of that academic preparation was undone by
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: a microscopic error on a single metal snap of a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: knife sheath, compounded by the relentless futuristic capabilities of investigative
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: genetic genealogy. Exactly, but our focus really must remain on
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the immense loss at the center of this timeline. Madison Mogan,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: the only child and the absolute pride of her parents,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Kaylee Guncalves, who was on the verge of moving to
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Texas to launch a bright new career. Santa Cernodle, remembered
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: as a light hearted, fiercely independent soul who lifted the
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: energy of every room she entered. And Ethan Chapin, a
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: natural leader, deeply devoted to his triplet siblings, four vibrant
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: lives permanently erased.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: It's just devastating, and I want to leave you with
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a final thought, tom all over regarding the nature of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: this suspect. Koberger spent his academic career dissecting the failures
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and mistakes of violent offenders in a sterile university environment.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: But we now live in an era of inescapable surveillance.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Our cell phones map our coordinates to the yard. Our
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: vehicles are cataloged by dozens of doorbell cameras. The moment
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: we turn a corner and our very DNA can be
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: mathematically isolated by a distant cousin taking a recreational ancestry test.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: It poses a fascinating question from modern criminology. Has the
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: advancement of technology officially rendered the concept of the perfect
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: crime obsolete?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Or does possessing a high level education in criminal justice
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: simply manufacture a predator arrogant enough to meticulously build the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: very trap they inevitably fall into. Does the belief that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you know all the rules blind you to the one
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: microscopic mistake that will cost you everything? Something for you
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: to think about until our next deep dive