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- 0:01Speaker 1: You just lost to a team that was eliminated in
- 0:03Speaker 1: the home World Cup and from the ten to twelve
- 0:06Speaker 1: to fifteen million people watching the game, and a place
- 0:09Speaker 1: where we're trying to grow the game, or where every
- 0:11Speaker 1: game is important. So yeah, of course you can lose games.
- 0:14Speaker 1: But are we supposed to be happy about that? Right?
- 0:20Speaker 2: What's going on? Everybody? Welcome back inside American Soccer. I
- 0:23Speaker 2: am USM and T insider Tom Boger. I'm joined but
- 0:26Speaker 2: one of the greatest players in US soccer history. My
- 0:28Speaker 2: good friend tab Ramos Tap You've been going all around
- 0:32Speaker 2: the World Cup calling some wonderful games. I've been at
- 0:35Speaker 2: the group stage with the US and the US's races
- 0:39Speaker 2: run at the group stage, finishing first, and the tournament
- 0:42Speaker 2: is getting towards the knockout rounds. Are we getting excited?
- 0:46Speaker 3: We are?
- 0:47Speaker 1: We are toime, and I have to tell you, I'm
- 0:51Speaker 1: so happy at the attendance of this World Cup. I
- 0:54Speaker 1: know a lot has been made, of course, about the
- 0:56Speaker 1: price of the tickets because it's super expensive.
- 1:01Speaker 3: Travel has not been easy.
- 1:03Speaker 1: There's a lot of negative to what's happened, But the
- 1:05Speaker 1: positive side is people are going to the game. You know,
- 1:09Speaker 1: I got to do the Ivory Coast versus Curse Out
- 1:12Speaker 1: game yesterday, and I thought, hey, this is going to
- 1:15Speaker 1: be one of those games where people maybe don't show
- 1:17Speaker 1: up because you know, obviously you know Ivory Coast with
- 1:20Speaker 1: the VSA issues, and then Curse Out. It's a small country,
- 1:23Speaker 1: so you figure they're not going to carry a lot
- 1:24Speaker 1: of people. The stadium in Philadelphia was absolutely packed and
- 1:28Speaker 1: the energy in the stadium was incredible.
- 1:31Speaker 3: I'm so surprised.
- 1:33Speaker 1: In a good way for everything that's happened around this
- 1:36Speaker 1: World Cup.
- 1:38Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, first of all, all of the
- 1:40Speaker 2: critiques of the ticket prices and greed and all of that,
- 1:43Speaker 2: it's fair. Both things gonna be true. But god damn it,
- 1:46Speaker 2: FIFA were right about the price point. Inside it sucks.
- 1:49Speaker 2: They didn't need to be I still think that you
- 1:52Speaker 2: don't need to run everything as a for profit, maximize
- 1:55Speaker 2: every dollar in penny for stockholders shareholders, but a tap.
- 2:01Speaker 2: They knew that we were all addicted. We could all
- 2:03Speaker 2: complain all all we wanted, but when the game started,
- 2:06Speaker 2: everyone was gonna shot up, pay up and show up.
- 2:08Speaker 2: But it is cool to see all of the fans
- 2:11Speaker 2: that are coming through. But we're here to talk about
- 2:14Speaker 2: the United States, who wrapped up the group stage with
- 2:16Speaker 2: a three to two loss to Turkey A, a game
- 2:18Speaker 2: that saw Poachattino come out with and almost completely rotated team,
- 2:22Speaker 2: a decision that you and I both agreed with. Just
- 2:24Speaker 2: Western McKinney and Ricardo Peppe kept their starting places from Australia,
- 2:28Speaker 2: and Peppe only started against Australia because poolsk wasn't available.
- 2:31Speaker 2: All that is to say, when the United States play
- 2:33Speaker 2: Bozzi and Herzegovina in the round of thirty two on
- 2:35Speaker 2: July first, one player from the starting eleven is going
- 2:39Speaker 2: to be starting that game. That's gonna beat Wester McKinney.
- 2:41Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the knockout runs later, but we
- 2:43Speaker 2: want to start with the Turkey A game. What it
- 2:45Speaker 2: all means, What do we learned? If anything? Turkey A
- 2:47Speaker 2: wins three to two. They scored the winner with literally
- 2:50Speaker 2: the last kick of the game. I'm pretty sure the
- 2:53Speaker 2: referee blew the whistle before the US even rolled it
- 2:56Speaker 2: for the kickoff, so it was at the death. It
- 2:58Speaker 2: was very unfortun It was some good, some bad, but
- 3:02Speaker 2: sapped overall in this game. Any big takeaways did we
- 3:05Speaker 2: learn anything.
- 3:07Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, you know, I think a couple of things,
- 3:10Speaker 1: and I think, as you said, we agreed that there
- 3:12Speaker 1: needed to be some rotation. Obviously, there's always you always
- 3:15Speaker 1: run the danger of losing a little bit of momentum, right,
- 3:20Speaker 1: because that's that's really this team has been sort of
- 3:24Speaker 1: the main fuel has been its energy, right, and you
- 3:28Speaker 1: don't you don't want to lose that. At the same time,
- 3:31Speaker 1: I have to say I saw the same exact intensity
- 3:33Speaker 1: from this second team that I saw from the first team,
- 3:35Speaker 1: and I think that's super positive. You know, the players
- 3:38Speaker 1: came in with the same confidence even though they hadn't
- 3:41Speaker 1: played many of them hadn't played before. You know, you,
- 3:44Speaker 1: I thought we saw this basically the same team. But
- 3:48Speaker 1: now I will say this as well. I think, if anything,
- 3:51Speaker 1: we did notice the difference in quality between the first
- 3:54Speaker 1: team and what potentially was our second team, right, which
- 3:58Speaker 1: makes things a little bit in terms of moving forward
- 4:01Speaker 1: and knowing exactly who our players are now. When I
- 4:05Speaker 1: saw the lineup to start the game, it gave me, unfortunately,
- 4:09Speaker 1: because of the last two years we've had with Bochettino,
- 4:11Speaker 1: it gave me some.
- 4:12Speaker 3: Flashbacks on me not knowing what's going on and.
- 4:15Speaker 1: Who's playing where right, because because in the end, I'm
- 4:18Speaker 1: really I'm really not sure why trust he played left back? Really,
- 4:22Speaker 1: you know, like't I didn't understand that. You know, you
- 4:25Speaker 1: have Arston who can do the job, he plays that position.
- 4:29Speaker 3: You played.
- 4:30Speaker 1: You know, you played three center backs if that's what
- 4:33Speaker 1: it was, if Trusty was one, but he really was
- 4:35Speaker 1: a left back.
- 4:36Speaker 3: So I didn't understand that part of it. But I
- 4:39Speaker 3: will stay with the positive that.
- 4:40Speaker 1: I thought the energy of the team carried us through
- 4:44Speaker 1: most of that first half, although it wasn't necessarily the
- 4:49Speaker 1: good soccer that we were playing.
- 4:52Speaker 2: Yeah, the intensity is the first thing I noticed and
- 4:55Speaker 2: really appreciated. And before Turkey scored their equalizer, I think
- 5:00Speaker 2: they're in danger of getting run off the pitch and
- 5:02Speaker 2: it was more intensity than quality, and that is totally fine,
- 5:05Speaker 2: particularly in those first ten minutes when you're playing with
- 5:08Speaker 2: a completely brand new team without some of your special
- 5:10Speaker 2: players or special players within the group. I was very impressed.
- 5:14Speaker 2: I really liked what I saw there. I think we
- 5:17Speaker 2: should start positive. But just to add to your point
- 5:20Speaker 2: to that, but I agree, like when I saw the eleven,
- 5:22Speaker 2: I don't I don't know why you need it like again,
- 5:25Speaker 2: we're splitting hairs, silly. It's completely inconsequential the criticism. I'm
- 5:29Speaker 2: about the Levy because we're not going to have this
- 5:31Speaker 2: line up again. But like Joe Scalley was the right
- 5:35Speaker 2: wing back and Austin Trusty was the left back or
- 5:37Speaker 2: left center back whatever like you said, however you want
- 5:39Speaker 2: to call it, and Tim Waye was left winging back.
- 5:41Speaker 2: I just I just don't really understand why it wasn't
- 5:43Speaker 2: Tim way as right winging back and Max Arson as
- 5:46Speaker 2: left wing back. I think that would have solved a
- 5:47Speaker 2: lot of issues going forward, which in turn would have
- 5:50Speaker 2: alleviated some pressure on the defense because they were going Turkey,
- 5:54Speaker 2: were going through the United States left side way way
- 5:58Speaker 2: too easily. But just with the positives. Christian Polisic, he
- 6:02Speaker 2: came into the game in the fifty eighth minutes, so
- 6:04Speaker 2: he played thirty two minutes plus stoppage time. And listen,
- 6:07Speaker 2: he completely changed the game when he came in. It
- 6:09Speaker 2: took him about three minutes to remind everybody, I'm the
- 6:12Speaker 2: best player on this team. Listen. Maybe he wasn't as
- 6:16Speaker 2: quite as great as he was in the first half
- 6:18Speaker 2: against Paraguay because that was basically a nine and a
- 6:20Speaker 2: half out of ten from him that day. But he
- 6:24Speaker 2: took away any fears that he was going to be
- 6:26Speaker 2: hampered physically or mentally by his calf injury and tad
- 6:29Speaker 2: I think that was very, very important. But Stina said
- 6:32Speaker 2: it after the game. He obviously our objective was to win,
- 6:35Speaker 2: but another objective was to get Christian thirty or forty minutes.
- 6:37Speaker 2: We did that. He looked great. We're very happy. How
- 6:40Speaker 2: did you see Christian Pulisic against Turkya?
- 6:42Speaker 3: Yeah, let me go back a.
- 6:43Speaker 1: Little bit on what you just said about about the lineup,
- 6:46Speaker 1: because I think you said it's in consequence show but
- 6:48Speaker 1: I but I think it it. You know, you start
- 6:51Speaker 1: to wonder why make changes that really don't make sense?
- 6:55Speaker 1: And if we see something that doesn't make sense, I
- 6:58Speaker 1: don't think what doesn't make sense us not to say
- 7:00Speaker 1: something about it. Oh, you know Tim tim Waya. Tim
- 7:04Speaker 1: Waya had been playing the right side all year right
- 7:06Speaker 1: for Marseille and he's and he played on the right
- 7:09Speaker 1: side for us always. So why is the World Cup
- 7:13Speaker 1: game the first time that you play on the left side?
- 7:16Speaker 1: You know, why is Trusty playing left back or left
- 7:19Speaker 1: wing back?
- 7:19Speaker 3: When you have.
- 7:20Speaker 1: Another left back if you don't want to play Robinson
- 7:23Speaker 1: and you have one who has, by the way, done well.
- 7:26Speaker 1: You know, Arvesten has done well for us, no reason
- 7:28Speaker 1: not to put him in. I mean, what happens now
- 7:31Speaker 1: if if Robinson gets hurt halfway through our next game,
- 7:33Speaker 1: who goes into that spot? Is it Arvesten or is
- 7:36Speaker 1: it going to be also Trusty? Because osin Trusty doesn't
- 7:39Speaker 1: play that position, and by the way, he didn't play
- 7:41Speaker 1: that position well either, so so that's not a place
- 7:44Speaker 1: for him to play. So so I don't that part
- 7:47Speaker 1: I don't understand. And I'll add one more thing before
- 7:50Speaker 1: we put this game away. In particular is that we've
- 7:53Speaker 1: been saying all along that you know, and Turkey was
- 7:56Speaker 1: on the verge of getting run over, but then they
- 7:58Speaker 1: started to connect passes. And this is what we've been
- 8:01Speaker 1: talking about on this show for the last few months.
- 8:04Speaker 1: When teams are good enough to connect passes through our press,
- 8:08Speaker 1: we cannot defend. And we showed yesterday that we struggled
- 8:11Speaker 1: defending against team that teams that can connect passes. You know,
- 8:15Speaker 1: you look at the art of Gooler goal, right, he
- 8:18Speaker 1: basically ran to our defense with wall passes. You look
- 8:21Speaker 1: at the second goal and it was sort of the
- 8:23Speaker 1: same them connecting passes and getting behind us.
- 8:25Speaker 3: So I'm a little bit worried about that. Tom. Now
- 8:28Speaker 3: let's get to the Christian poliitic I thought he looked great.
- 8:32Speaker 3: I thought he looked great. He came in and he.
- 8:35Speaker 1: Looked a level above everyone else, but art of Goouler,
- 8:38Speaker 1: obviously he looked to the level above. He made a difference.
- 8:42Speaker 1: And one important detail, if you remember, he got played
- 8:46Speaker 1: that bowl over the top, which he made a great
- 8:48Speaker 1: first touch, control into space and get into the box.
- 8:51Speaker 1: That was a full out thirty five yard sprint that
- 8:54Speaker 1: he had made. So if there was any issues with
- 8:57Speaker 1: that calf at all, we definitely would have seen him
- 8:59Speaker 1: on that sprint and we didn't see that. And I
- 9:02Speaker 1: think he's one hundred percent and that's great news for us.
- 9:05Speaker 2: Yeah, and honestly that that might have been the most
- 9:08Speaker 2: important sakeaway, particularly within the context like the team fought.
- 9:11Speaker 2: There's a few disappointments, but how far this team goes
- 9:16Speaker 2: in this tournament, a lot can rest on Christian polistic soldiers. Yes,
- 9:20Speaker 2: it's a team game, Yes, there are or there are
- 9:22Speaker 2: other like Balligan has been awesome in the games he's
- 9:25Speaker 2: played this tournament. He was one of the players rotated.
- 9:27Speaker 2: Yeadi el Card completely agree with that decision. Shouldn't have
- 9:30Speaker 2: come near the field. We talk about Max Arson. I
- 9:33Speaker 2: feel for him because if he's not even getting in
- 9:36Speaker 2: off the bench in that game, tad like I guess,
- 9:39Speaker 2: like if Anthony robbins, I think at this point now,
- 9:41Speaker 2: like Anthony Robbinson either picks up a knock or or
- 9:43Speaker 2: something happens where they need a left wing back, you
- 9:45Speaker 2: probably have to go to Arson because of what Tim
- 9:48Speaker 2: Waya looks like against Turkey. So I think that was
- 9:51Speaker 2: another That was another big takeaway for me is that
- 9:54Speaker 2: I was really looking forward to Tim way in this
- 9:56Speaker 2: game and he was one of the worst players on
- 9:59Speaker 2: the field straight up, and I was I was asked
- 10:02Speaker 2: by somebody, just like nobody within the industry, like kind
- 10:05Speaker 2: of a friend, like what's going on with way Like, I,
- 10:08Speaker 2: you know, is the moment too big for him? I
- 10:09Speaker 2: was like, no, no, don't disrespect him Way like that, Like
- 10:12Speaker 2: it was just he's been in a bit of a
- 10:15Speaker 2: rut in terms of form, and I was like, hey,
- 10:17Speaker 2: he never plays on the left, like you said tap
- 10:20Speaker 2: for Marseille for the US national team, and that's for
- 10:23Speaker 2: a reason. His best traits is is his verticality. He's
- 10:27Speaker 2: one on one dribbling his like he's like a traditional
- 10:31Speaker 2: winger like that plays on their strong footed side and
- 10:33Speaker 2: gets to the mline or they can go, they can
- 10:35Speaker 2: dribble by two. But like he's best on the right.
- 10:38Speaker 2: Pochatino has, like you know, the the dominant ie vision thing,
- 10:42Speaker 2: which is tab. I'm I think that I'm decent with
- 10:46Speaker 2: keeping up with new trends and being open to new information.
- 10:48Speaker 2: That one doesn't really do it for me, I don't
- 10:50Speaker 2: I don't see a correlation. I don't see weighing that
- 10:52Speaker 2: over a lot of other things. And the fact TAB
- 10:54Speaker 2: that you're putting a right footed player on the left
- 10:56Speaker 2: wing when the left back is Austin Trusty, he ain't
- 11:00Speaker 2: palmming forward, so you're kind of taking away the space
- 11:03Speaker 2: in that flank, Whereas if Weaya is playing right wing back,
- 11:07Speaker 2: I think he's much more natural, much more comfortable, and
- 11:09Speaker 2: much more effective. So this is gonna make like for me,
- 11:13Speaker 2: if Waya comes in off the bench, he's playing on
- 11:15Speaker 2: the right side in a knockout round game. I trust him.
- 11:17Speaker 2: We've seen enough of him. I know what he's like.
- 11:20Speaker 2: It was kind of the argument, to a lesser extent
- 11:22Speaker 2: of Polisic before the Senegal game. It's like, no, he
- 11:25Speaker 2: hasn't scored since December and it's been a lot of games,
- 11:28Speaker 2: but like, I kind of trust him to show up.
- 11:30Speaker 2: Way if he comes in off the bench in a
- 11:32Speaker 2: knockout run game, I'll still kind of trust him. But
- 11:35Speaker 2: this has been This was a disappointing performance for him
- 11:38Speaker 2: in particular.
- 11:40Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I think that's exactly right. I think
- 11:43Speaker 1: what what what I would have hoped for yesterday? And
- 11:46Speaker 1: again I was not going to hold Puchettino to a
- 11:50Speaker 1: result yesterday, although we wanted one, because you know, in
- 11:53Speaker 1: the end, you're playing. Yeah, you can say that Turkey
- 11:56Speaker 1: is playing for pride, but the Turkey's out of the tournament.
- 11:58Speaker 3: You have to beat them. I mean, they're out, you know.
- 12:02Speaker 1: But I think our takeaway yesterday was not going to
- 12:04Speaker 1: be so much the result. It was going to be
- 12:06Speaker 1: how do you prepare these these second guys for when
- 12:09Speaker 1: you need them later on? And I think you didn't
- 12:12Speaker 1: prepare weya for needing them later on because you put
- 12:15Speaker 1: them in a position where you're not bringing them in
- 12:17Speaker 1: later on in any game, right, you put them opposite side,
- 12:21Speaker 1: he's not going to play there. You put trust in
- 12:23Speaker 1: a position where he's not going to play if you
- 12:25Speaker 1: need them. So I didn't understand that part of preparing
- 12:29Speaker 1: the team. And now there was some positive for it.
- 12:31Speaker 2: I thought.
- 12:31Speaker 1: I thought, you know, Berholter proved like he's a guy
- 12:35Speaker 1: that can come off the bench and just give you
- 12:38Speaker 1: that energy that you know, if something happens to Tyler
- 12:42Speaker 1: Adams or McKinney in the center of the field and
- 12:44Speaker 1: you needed to bring someone in. I think that this
- 12:47Speaker 1: created no doubt that that's your guy, right. So I
- 12:50Speaker 1: was happy to see that, happy to see his energy.
- 12:53Speaker 1: So so there was some good too. But yeah, this
- 12:56Speaker 1: should have been a little bit more preparation of these guys.
- 13:00Speaker 1: Just hey, let me throw all these guys out there,
- 13:01Speaker 1: which which is kind of to me. It seems like
- 13:04Speaker 1: that's what it was.
- 13:07Speaker 2: I yeah, and I love the bur Halter point. Couldn't
- 13:11Speaker 2: agree more. I think, listen, he's got great technical quality,
- 13:16Speaker 2: he's a dog man, and I love that there was
- 13:18Speaker 2: a moment where uh Georrana got either heavily fouled or
- 13:23Speaker 2: undercut in the air for coach what it was in
- 13:25Speaker 2: the first half, and Burhlter took acception immediately gets in
- 13:29Speaker 2: the guy's face, turns around, helps you up. It's just
- 13:31Speaker 2: these little things that like kind of like probably over index.
- 13:33Speaker 2: But I like to see the second half the same
- 13:36Speaker 2: situation happen, except Burhalter's in the air, gets undercut, hits
- 13:39Speaker 2: the ground pretty hard. Like I was worried that he
- 13:41Speaker 2: kind of came down on his shoulders. Thankfully he got
- 13:43Speaker 2: up after a little bit. It was all right. Geor
- 13:45Speaker 2: Rana was right next to him, looked at him, looked away,
- 13:47Speaker 2: walked away, just like, come on, man, like I just
- 13:51Speaker 2: got your back in the first half and you're and
- 13:53Speaker 2: you're letting them lay there.
- 13:55Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think that it's you know, he's definitely
- 13:59Speaker 1: a play you want in the field, you want him
- 14:01Speaker 1: next to you. You know, you start to identify with
- 14:03Speaker 1: players like this because they're they're there. He's fully one
- 14:06Speaker 1: hundred percent of the team guy and and and you
- 14:08Speaker 1: want to see that.
- 14:09Speaker 3: Now he's a young player.
- 14:10Speaker 1: Obviously he took a yellow card on early which is difficult, right,
- 14:14Speaker 1: and you're always in danger of sticking your foot in
- 14:16Speaker 1: there and potentially you know, being out at some point.
- 14:21Speaker 1: You know, he was on the verge of yellow cards
- 14:23Speaker 1: the whole time, so you know, but that's young player
- 14:25Speaker 1: being over anxious.
- 14:26Speaker 3: I'll take that anytime. I really would. I was. I
- 14:29Speaker 3: was happy to see that. If there was one player
- 14:31Speaker 3: that I'm.
- 14:32Speaker 1: Going to say that stood out yesterday that I think
- 14:34Speaker 1: we can count on for the rest of this run,
- 14:36Speaker 1: how however long that's going to be, that was Sebastian Burholter.
- 14:42Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think that he'll start any games unless
- 14:44Speaker 2: there's a car red cards suspense, whatever it is. But
- 14:47Speaker 2: like I think he's going to come off the bench
- 14:49Speaker 2: every game that the United States are left in this tournament,
- 14:51Speaker 2: and I think that's a testament to him. But we're
- 14:53Speaker 2: gonna take a quick break here because we've wrapped up
- 14:55Speaker 2: the tur K game. Except there's one more thing I
- 14:57Speaker 2: want to talk about that we're going to get to
- 14:59Speaker 2: have the break, a bizarre press conference from Reso Pochettino.
- 15:03Speaker 2: We're gonna dive into that. We're gonna look into a
- 15:05Speaker 2: little bit to the Bosnia match on Wednesday, given our
- 15:08Speaker 2: projected starting elevens and much much more so. Please rate
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- 15:13Speaker 2: Amos wherever gets your podcast. We'll be back to really
- 15:15Speaker 2: good sooner. Welcome back to Inside American Soccer. The US
- 15:28Speaker 2: lost three two to Turkey A the last kick of
- 15:30Speaker 2: the game. I don't think that there's gonna be too
- 15:32Speaker 2: many big, big criticisms of the team of the performance.
- 15:36Speaker 2: They went into the game knowing that they finished top
- 15:37Speaker 2: of the group and that Turkey was finishing the bottom
- 15:40Speaker 2: of the group. Turkey A coincidentally tab playing their best
- 15:43Speaker 2: soccer when there's no stakes, no pressure, no uh no context.
- 15:46Speaker 2: Pretty interesting. That seems to be the moo of that team.
- 15:49Speaker 2: But I digress. We go into the press conference after
- 15:52Speaker 2: the game. Pochettino took longer than the other games. I
- 15:57Speaker 2: don't know if there's any correlation. Just felt like we
- 16:00Speaker 2: were waiting, felt like we were waiting. Just fine, totally normal.
- 16:03Speaker 2: But you know, gets into the press conference and off
- 16:05Speaker 2: the first question, which was a completely fair and genuinely
- 16:09Speaker 2: positive question, It was something to the effect of, particularly
- 16:13Speaker 2: in the second half, when after you went down to one,
- 16:15Speaker 2: your team fought, like what did you make of your
- 16:18Speaker 2: team's fight and and and you know, it's an easy
- 16:21Speaker 2: opportunity to say, all these guys are great whatever, and
- 16:24Speaker 2: he goes, what do you mean by fight? I don't.
- 16:26Speaker 2: I don't know the second half. I think we fought
- 16:28Speaker 2: for ninety seven minutes and I was like, okay, he's
- 16:31Speaker 2: not in a good mood. That's kind of great. And
- 16:33Speaker 2: then from there on it just got weirder and weirder.
- 16:37Speaker 2: One of the questions or one of the answers, he goes,
- 16:40Speaker 2: I'm happy. Maybe I'm not showing because your questions are
- 16:43Speaker 2: a little bit weird. I'm confused. Maybe the vibes is
- 16:45Speaker 2: like we go home tonight and Turkey stays in a
- 16:47Speaker 2: World Cup. Nope. And he did that a few times,
- 16:51Speaker 2: like he got asked the question a little bit later, like, hey,
- 16:55Speaker 2: what did you learn in this game? Something's that effect? Again?
- 16:57Speaker 2: Tap very basic stuff, and you know, goes, First of all,
- 17:01Speaker 2: I just want to say this, No one congratulated us
- 17:04Speaker 2: for finishing first in a very difficult group. I congratulate
- 17:06Speaker 2: the players, the staff, and the fans. Okay, now I'll
- 17:09Speaker 2: answer your question like it was really weird, tab And
- 17:12Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if this was him genuinely
- 17:16Speaker 2: being a little bit prickly in this moment, which I
- 17:20Speaker 2: maybe he was, or is this he's talking to the
- 17:23Speaker 2: players and he's trying to do that. Everybody's against this thing,
- 17:25Speaker 2: like I don't know, but it was weird.
- 17:29Speaker 1: Yeah, what's weird is that we have to have this
- 17:32Speaker 1: discussion really because I mean, which part is misunderstood here?
- 17:38Speaker 1: I mean, you just lost to a team that was
- 17:40Speaker 1: eliminated in the home World Cup and from the ten
- 17:43Speaker 1: to twelve to fifteen million people watching the game, and
- 17:46Speaker 1: a place where we're trying to grow the game or
- 17:48Speaker 1: where every game is important. So yeah, of course you
- 17:51Speaker 1: can lose games. But are we supposed to be happy
- 17:54Speaker 1: about that? I don't understand that part of it. I mean, yeah,
- 17:57Speaker 1: we're upset. We expected to win the game. Okay, so
- 18:00Speaker 1: we you know, we beat Paraguay and we beat Australia. Congratulations,
- 18:05Speaker 1: that's great. You're in first place. That's where we want
- 18:08Speaker 1: to be. But this was not This was not overall,
- 18:11Speaker 1: you know, a good performance. And I think for him
- 18:14Speaker 1: to be worried about the vibes of us being upset
- 18:18Speaker 1: over losing the game, well, I mean that's what's going
- 18:21Speaker 1: to happen. What would have happened if he was coaching
- 18:23Speaker 1: Argentina and same scenario. Put same scenario together, right, you
- 18:27Speaker 1: just won your first two games, you won the group.
- 18:30Speaker 1: I'm sure Germany was not celebrating yesterday after losing against Ecuador.
- 18:34Speaker 3: I mean, they they had won the group.
- 18:36Speaker 1: But I don't think Germany showed that they didn't care
- 18:39Speaker 1: about the third game.
- 18:40Speaker 3: They wanted to win the third game.
- 18:41Speaker 1: You want to go into the second round with momentum,
- 18:43Speaker 1: and that's important. And I understand about the changes.
- 18:46Speaker 3: We get all that. I think we've anything.
- 18:48Speaker 1: We're protecting Persatina and saying, hey, you know, you got
- 18:51Speaker 1: to make the changes good. But you then come to
- 18:54Speaker 1: the press conference and you're really happy. I mean, I mean,
- 18:58Speaker 1: I don't know that that seems weird to me, rather
- 19:01Speaker 1: than the questions. I mean, and by the way, we
- 19:04Speaker 1: I don't think any of us could have been any.
- 19:05Speaker 3: More positive about this team. I mean, they're playing great.
- 19:08Speaker 1: I personally said the other day is the best I've
- 19:11Speaker 1: ever seen a US midfield ever play.
- 19:13Speaker 3: And of course the coach gets credit for that. It's
- 19:16Speaker 3: not just a player that coach. But then when you
- 19:18Speaker 3: lose the games, you know, now you've got to face
- 19:20Speaker 3: the music. When it. You know, when it comes to
- 19:22Speaker 3: the press conference, is not good. You lost a game
- 19:24Speaker 3: to a team that was eliminated and had nothing to
- 19:25Speaker 3: play for. That's where you're gonna.
- 19:27Speaker 2: Get and tap like the questions like I people listening,
- 19:33Speaker 2: if you if you don't know me, like I promise
- 19:36Speaker 2: I'm not the like old journalists like you know. Oh,
- 19:39Speaker 2: he challenged us, Like, like, I'm being genuine when I
- 19:42Speaker 2: say the questions did not have a nice edge to them. Again,
- 19:45Speaker 2: the first one was was true? Like again, maybe it
- 19:48Speaker 2: was lost in translation, but I've heard him answer that
- 19:49Speaker 2: question before. I've sat in those press conferences. When I
- 19:52Speaker 2: asked the question about momentum, tap if I'm being self
- 19:55Speaker 2: critical about the way I asked the question. I asked
- 19:57Speaker 2: it too soft because I because I knew that he
- 19:59Speaker 2: was in a bad mo and I was like, I
- 20:00Speaker 2: don't want to set them off. I don't want him
- 20:01Speaker 2: to misconstrue this. And I gave it a couple of qualifiers. Ah,
- 20:04Speaker 2: I know you want to win all the games or whatever,
- 20:06Speaker 2: and you know, but is there any worry that you
- 20:08Speaker 2: lost momentum? Goes, explain what you mean momentum? I don't
- 20:11Speaker 2: understand quote to play with the same team we played
- 20:14Speaker 2: against Australia, to take a risk, to receive a yellow
- 20:16Speaker 2: card suspension, to risk players who has problems, I don't understand.
- 20:20Speaker 2: Germany lost momentum too, and they played with mostly the
- 20:22Speaker 2: same team against Ecuador. So you talk about Germany. I
- 20:27Speaker 2: had a friend who's in the Prescott press conference in
- 20:29Speaker 2: for the Germany game. Julian Nausman is getting a question
- 20:33Speaker 2: from a German media member. That wasn't a question, It
- 20:35Speaker 2: was his opinion on why he got the tactics wrong.
- 20:38Speaker 2: None of us did that right. And Tab, you talk
- 20:42Speaker 2: about the praise that that's coming here, it has been
- 20:44Speaker 2: wide spray, widespread, complete praise not just of this team
- 20:48Speaker 2: but of Mariso Pochatino over the last week. All of
- 20:51Speaker 2: that is completely one hundred percent earned. Overall. I think everybody,
- 20:55Speaker 2: even in that room that he maybe disagreed with. Everybody
- 20:58Speaker 2: overall thinks that this was an incredible group stage or
- 21:00Speaker 2: a strong group stage for the United States. But like,
- 21:04Speaker 2: were we supposed to give him a standing ovation when
- 21:06Speaker 2: he walked into the room. There are other countries. Shoot,
- 21:10Speaker 2: last night, there's a person representing Turkish media. Not only
- 21:15Speaker 2: is this person Tab wearing a turkey a jersey. The
- 21:18Speaker 2: turkey a jersey is signed by the players, and they
- 21:22Speaker 2: that person asked a question in the press conference. So
- 21:24Speaker 2: I'm sorry. If that's what you're expecting, you're not getting it.
- 21:26Speaker 2: You're not getting congratulations, profe, thank you so much for
- 21:29Speaker 2: saving you aside right like again. So that's why, like
- 21:32Speaker 2: part of me maybe thinks that this was him talking
- 21:34Speaker 2: to the players and he's a motivational guy, and it
- 21:38Speaker 2: was just again, this doesn't this doesn't change my opinion
- 21:41Speaker 2: of him. I think he's a good coach. I thk
- 21:42Speaker 2: he's a great motivator. I think a lot of things.
- 21:44Speaker 2: And I'm not this after this podcast episode, and I
- 21:48Speaker 2: probably won't talk much about this press conference other than
- 21:50Speaker 2: the laugh about it once or twice of like it
- 21:52Speaker 2: being weird. It's not as if this is going to
- 21:54Speaker 2: be some seminal moment. It was just we all walked
- 21:57Speaker 2: out of the room like that was weird, wasn't it.
- 22:01Speaker 1: The only thing I can add to that time is,
- 22:03Speaker 1: you know, I've been fortunate enough to have played in
- 22:06Speaker 1: Spain and have played in Mexico, and I can tell
- 22:09Speaker 1: you when you compare the press, American press doesn't have
- 22:13Speaker 1: bad intentions.
- 22:15Speaker 3: They really don't.
- 22:15Speaker 1: I mean, they may ask some serious questions at times,
- 22:18Speaker 1: they may misinterpret some things at times, like it always happens,
- 22:21Speaker 1: they may have it out for you because they don't
- 22:23Speaker 1: like you.
- 22:24Speaker 3: There may be some reporter. There may be some reporter
- 22:27Speaker 3: that just doesn't like you, and that.
- 22:28Speaker 1: Always that always happens, right, But in general, it's not
- 22:33Speaker 1: it's not a media that has bad intentions. We we're
- 22:36Speaker 1: all in it for the same We're all in it
- 22:38Speaker 1: to sell the game because we know where our game
- 22:41Speaker 1: is in our country. Regardless of how big the World
- 22:44Speaker 1: Cup is, we know how important it is that the
- 22:46Speaker 1: team does well.
- 22:47Speaker 3: We all want that. Otherwise there's no game.
- 22:49Speaker 1: We're not in the top five, six, seven, eight sports
- 22:52Speaker 1: in the country. Realistically, we want to get there, and
- 22:55Speaker 1: we can't get there if we bury each other into
- 22:57Speaker 1: the ground. So I think these questions were normal questions.
- 23:01Speaker 1: I don't know what there is gonna be upset about.
- 23:03Speaker 1: So I I just think at this point we we
- 23:06Speaker 1: just have to move forward.
- 23:08Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I totally agree. And just like
- 23:12Speaker 2: there has been a ton of praise, but again completely earned,
- 23:16Speaker 2: like this team those two games, like the performances, right,
- 23:19Speaker 2: you have tab Ramos the best midfield in US soccer history,
- 23:22Speaker 2: saying that was the best midfield performance I've ever seen, Like,
- 23:25Speaker 2: it doesn't get higher than that. And for me, I'm
- 23:28Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to the round of sixteen. And again,
- 23:31Speaker 2: like like we've said, just worth repeating, so it doesn't
- 23:33Speaker 2: sound like we're being overully critical or any of the answers,
- 23:37Speaker 2: like I think you and I in his shoes would
- 23:39Speaker 2: have made just maybe not the same exact changes, but
- 23:42Speaker 2: the same idea to this game. Like no, of course
- 23:46Speaker 2: you shouldn't have played Tyler Adams on the risk of
- 23:47Speaker 2: yell card suspension. Like we understand Tyler Adams might have
- 23:50Speaker 2: helped you win this game, but nobody's criticized you for
- 23:53Speaker 2: that like it was.
- 23:55Speaker 1: So we're going by the way, Tom, I'll just I'll
- 23:58Speaker 1: thend my part of it with this. I'll say, by
- 24:01Speaker 1: the way, you're gonna go play Bossian next, which we
- 24:03Speaker 1: expect to win, and then you go into the next
- 24:05Speaker 1: round and let's say, you know, Belgium pulls it off
- 24:08Speaker 1: today and you go and you loose to Belgium in
- 24:09Speaker 1: the round of sixteen.
- 24:10Speaker 3: It's not a good World Cup for US.
- 24:13Speaker 1: No, it's not a good one, so people aren't gonna
- 24:15Speaker 1: be happy, so expect that. So you know you're you're upset. Now, well,
- 24:19Speaker 1: let's let's what happens in the rest of the tournament.
- 24:22Speaker 1: Because we we our expectations are pretty high. That's why
- 24:25Speaker 1: you're here coaching the team.
- 24:27Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I had a player, a player at
- 24:33Speaker 2: another World Cup team currently at this tournament texted me.
- 24:36Speaker 2: It goes hey, man, like, do you know how much
- 24:39Speaker 2: Pochatino makes. I was like, yeah, it's like six million,
- 24:41Speaker 2: Like it's goods public figure, Like I'm not reporting anything,
- 24:43Speaker 2: I'm not portraying any competences. And a guy goes, damn
- 24:46Speaker 2: good for him, man, he earned it. Like more like
- 24:48Speaker 2: it was like players were like, yeah, like Pochatino is
- 24:51Speaker 2: getting paid good money for good reason because he earned it.
- 24:53Speaker 2: He deserved his resume and his coaching ability, and the
- 24:56Speaker 2: expectations are going to be pretty high. Tap to your point.
- 25:00Speaker 2: If they go out and around to sixteen, that is
- 25:02Speaker 2: equaling the twenty twenty two World Cup. And if you
- 25:05Speaker 2: and I sat down in January of twenty twenty three
- 25:08Speaker 2: and said, at the twenty twenty six World Cup, US
- 25:11Speaker 2: gets the ground of sixteen and goes out good or bed.
- 25:14Speaker 2: We both say bad and that's just it.
- 25:16Speaker 1: And by the way you're looking at if you go
- 25:18Speaker 1: out in the round sixteen, you will have beaten Australia,
- 25:22Speaker 1: Paraguay and Bosnia. That's your three wins, which is great.
- 25:27Speaker 1: That Bosnias is obviously European team that qualified later on
- 25:32Speaker 1: and that you know. But but it's not like you're
- 25:35Speaker 1: hanging your hat on. You know, we just beat Germany
- 25:38Speaker 1: and Portugal in the group stage and now we got
- 25:40Speaker 1: knocked out in the round of sixteen.
- 25:42Speaker 3: You're not.
- 25:44Speaker 2: Right, right, and why we're going to dive into this
- 25:47Speaker 2: in the preview to Bosia. But one thing to leave
- 25:50Speaker 2: is this team, first under burr Halter and then under Potchatino,
- 25:55Speaker 2: has been bad against European teams going back to I
- 25:59Speaker 2: think the draw against England was at the World Cup
- 26:01Speaker 2: in the group state, which is very good. The lost
- 26:03Speaker 2: of Netherlands started a winless run against European opposition that
- 26:07Speaker 2: they're gonna have to break against Bosia. But tap really
- 26:10Speaker 2: quickly when we talk about this Bosnia game, do you
- 26:13Speaker 2: have what you think or what you prefer the eleven
- 26:16Speaker 2: to be for this knockout Round game in San Francisco
- 26:18Speaker 2: on July first.
- 26:20Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I think we were all gonna end
- 26:23Speaker 1: up with the same. I think it's pretty clear now
- 26:25Speaker 1: that we have a base starting eleven. That's a good one,
- 26:28Speaker 1: and I think we can we can potentially beat any
- 26:31Speaker 1: team with this eleven, you know, and you know again
- 26:34Speaker 1: the given day, any given day thing, right, But this
- 26:38Speaker 1: is a good team that we have, so I'd go
- 26:40Speaker 1: with freezing goal. There's no reason for him not to play.
- 26:43Speaker 1: And then Freeman, Richards Reem and Robinson Desk all the
- 26:49Speaker 1: way on one side as a wing back winger, Pulistic
- 26:52Speaker 1: on the other side as a winger obviously in the center, Adams,
- 26:57Speaker 1: McKinney and Tillman and Battlegan up top. I think that's
- 27:00Speaker 1: that's our lineup, and that's clearly in my at least
- 27:03Speaker 1: in my mind, that's that's what I'm seeing.
- 27:07Speaker 2: Tap. Yeah, this is the We've done this every since
- 27:10Speaker 2: we our first show. This is the easiest answer I've
- 27:13Speaker 2: ever had to give to this question, and it's that
- 27:15Speaker 2: eleven and you started today's show with like it made.
- 27:20Speaker 2: It reminded me of like PTSD of the Other World.
- 27:22Speaker 2: We had no idea what lineup was coming. We had
- 27:24Speaker 2: no idea why anybody was playing. What if he has
- 27:27Speaker 2: a surprise for the body, What if he goes back
- 27:29Speaker 2: to that, What if.
- 27:30Speaker 3: It can't It can't be this time, It can't be.
- 27:33Speaker 3: It has to be the first time we get it right.
- 27:35Speaker 3: It has to be.
- 27:39Speaker 2: Really, does I think that whether they win lose a
- 27:43Speaker 2: draw up, there's a big change in this lineup that's
- 27:45Speaker 2: gonna be spent a lot of time that in the
- 27:48Speaker 2: post game show about that. But uh so, yeah, I
- 27:52Speaker 2: can Bosnia. We're gonna dive into it in a few days,
- 27:55Speaker 2: so stay tuned for that episode. No game is easy,
- 27:58Speaker 2: No knock around game is easy. But I'll tell you what,
- 28:01Speaker 2: it's better than getting Senegal. It's better than getting Ecuador.
- 28:04Speaker 2: Bracket shaping up for the US. But we're gonna dive
- 28:06Speaker 2: into all of that in much much more than the
- 28:08Speaker 2: next show. It's time for one more quick break. Next up,
- 28:10Speaker 2: we look back at tabs, predictions and spoiler alerts. They're
- 28:13Speaker 2: pretty good. Thanks for listening Inside American Soccer. Please right
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- 28:27Speaker 2: back to Inside American Soccer. Let's check back in on
- 28:30Speaker 2: tabs DraftKings picks to see how we did. DraftKings app
- 28:33Speaker 2: is now available nationwide, the easiest way to get in
- 28:35Speaker 2: the World Cup with just one app. Tab. Pretty good
- 28:39Speaker 2: from our last show. Let's start with Bosi and guitar.
- 28:42Speaker 2: You said Bosnia over guitar, and indeed you were right.
- 28:45Speaker 2: Bosnia the round of thirty two opponents for the US
- 28:48Speaker 2: m NT after that went over guitar.
- 28:51Speaker 1: As I always say, I get excited about my Draftkins picks,
- 28:55Speaker 1: and this one, this was an easy one because I
- 28:58Speaker 1: think guitar was coming off of an awful performance against Canada,
- 29:02Speaker 1: and I didn't think that. You know, we talk about momentum,
- 29:04Speaker 1: and I just didn't think they'd be able to recover
- 29:06Speaker 1: enough to uh to pull.
- 29:08Speaker 3: This game off.
- 29:08Speaker 1: I think, you know, Bosnia won the game, and they
- 29:10Speaker 1: actually won it a little bit easier than I thought
- 29:12Speaker 1: they would, but they did.
- 29:15Speaker 2: Yeah, put up a few goals that that felt like
- 29:17Speaker 2: it would have been a clean seat. Another game that
- 29:19Speaker 2: you thought it would be a clean shoit. I did too.
- 29:21Speaker 2: Canada Switzerland tab. You said one noil Switzerland had ended
- 29:24Speaker 2: up to one Switzerland, but Canada was pushing, push and
- 29:27Speaker 2: pushing at the end of draw would have been enough
- 29:28Speaker 2: for them to finish first in the group, but they
- 29:30Speaker 2: didn't get it. They finished second and qualify for the
- 29:32Speaker 2: knockout runs.
- 29:34Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that would be that would be a
- 29:35Speaker 1: close game, and it had to be a close game
- 29:37Speaker 1: because you know, Canada obviously was going to push to
- 29:40Speaker 1: keep that first place and stay stay in Canada.
- 29:43Speaker 3: Right.
- 29:43Speaker 1: Had they won, they can continue to play at home.
- 29:46Speaker 1: Now they have to travel, which makes it a little
- 29:48Speaker 1: bit more difficult. But I knew that Switzerland had a
- 29:51Speaker 1: better team and they would just do enough to win
- 29:54Speaker 1: the game.
- 29:54Speaker 3: And in this case they.
- 29:55Speaker 2: Did another game, the other one in Group D. It
- 30:00Speaker 2: was Paraguay versus Australia. Going into the game, you pointed
- 30:04Speaker 2: out a draw would see both teams go through, so
- 30:07Speaker 2: that felt pretty likely, and you called the one one draw.
- 30:10Speaker 2: It ended up no, No, I'm gonna go vir for
- 30:13Speaker 2: you here. I think you would have said one one
- 30:17Speaker 2: because zero zero might have been too obvious to people around.
- 30:20Speaker 2: And then it turns out this game had I think
- 30:23Speaker 2: I saw a stat somewhere, if not the lowest expected
- 30:26Speaker 2: goals total of a World Cup game since two thousand,
- 30:29Speaker 2: one of the very lowest, and so tab I think
- 30:31Speaker 2: both teams were happy to run around a little bit
- 30:32Speaker 2: past the all sideways and take their point and move on.
- 30:36Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 30:37Speaker 1: I thought that one of the two teams would score
- 30:39Speaker 1: a goal by accident and then the other one would
- 30:41Speaker 1: tie it somehow and they would both walk off holding
- 30:44Speaker 1: hands and everyone would be happy.
- 30:47Speaker 3: But this kind of makes me think about, you know,
- 30:50Speaker 3: the head to head type.
- 30:51Speaker 1: Break rule, which has made a lot of these match
- 30:53Speaker 1: Day three games irrelevant, and that's that's too bad.
- 30:57Speaker 3: In this case, obviously, two teams that are, you know,
- 31:00Speaker 3: with a tie.
- 31:01Speaker 1: They both qualified, so they didn't have to worry about
- 31:03Speaker 1: anything else, and they both did their job. At the
- 31:06Speaker 1: end of the day, you have to play what's in
- 31:07Speaker 1: front of you, and they both did and they both
- 31:09Speaker 1: get to the next round.
- 31:10Speaker 2: Yeah, and you talk about the head to head rule.
- 31:14Speaker 2: So Turkey A were stapled in fourth place because of that,
- 31:19Speaker 2: though it was possible that if there was a winner
- 31:22Speaker 2: in the Paraguay Australia game and then Turkey A could
- 31:25Speaker 2: have made it back and golden. They went into this
- 31:28Speaker 2: game knowing zero percent chance anything could change, whereas it
- 31:31Speaker 2: would have been a long shot in previous tournaments, but
- 31:34Speaker 2: they would have had at least a fighting chance to
- 31:36Speaker 2: get into that third space rotation.
- 31:39Speaker 3: Same with the US team.
- 31:40Speaker 1: Right, US had the six points in Australia and Paraguay
- 31:45Speaker 1: had three, so you know, if the head to head
- 31:47Speaker 1: wasn't in place, one of the two could have potentially
- 31:49Speaker 1: ended in first.
- 31:52Speaker 2: Yep. So we'll see if if that rules changed or
- 31:54Speaker 2: they keep it for the next tournament. But sticking right here,
- 31:59Speaker 2: USA Turkey tab you said to no, USA, that's the
- 32:02Speaker 2: only ones you got wrong. But we had no idea
- 32:05Speaker 2: really what lineup was coming. So I'm gonna give you
- 32:07Speaker 2: a pass on that one.
- 32:09Speaker 3: No, I you know, I'll take the full blame there.
- 32:12Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna accept your pass. I'll
- 32:14Speaker 3: just take the blame.
- 32:15Speaker 1: I got that one wrong, of course, I couldn't expect.
- 32:18Speaker 1: I did expect a lot of changes in the US lineup.
- 32:21Speaker 1: I thought that would definitely change the game. I did
- 32:23Speaker 1: expect changes in Turkey, which which happened this well, because
- 32:28Speaker 1: Turkey didn't play everyone they had been playing before, so
- 32:31Speaker 1: they had changes as well. But I didn't expect you know,
- 32:34Speaker 1: some of our players playing out of position and being
- 32:37Speaker 1: out of the game, and and maybe that made a
- 32:41Speaker 1: little bit of a difference so I can have uh,
- 32:43Speaker 1: let's just say that's gonna be my excuse for that pick.
- 32:47Speaker 2: That was a good coaching answer there, tab you started with,
- 32:49Speaker 2: I'm gonna take full blame. Well, you know I had
- 32:51Speaker 2: another lineups. Yeah. See that's how you handle press conference.
- 32:55Speaker 2: That's all. I think we wrapped it up evly there. Listen,
- 32:59Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for listening to South American Soccer.
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