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PODCAST: Episode 801 - INTERVIEW: Dan Lorenzo Talks Patriarchs in Black and Their Approach to Their New Album "Home” · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  People always say, hey, like, you know, you or people like you
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  who liked Hades, why don't you write it an album or a song
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  like, you know, resisting success, the first Hades album.
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  And I'm like, I can't, you know, I, I, I'm like the worst phony
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  in the world as far as like, I don't know how to put a tie on.
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  I don't know how to act corporate, you know, I don't
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  think about what I should write. It just comes out, you know?
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  What's up everybodyitskefi@ghostcoltmag.com
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  I'm super stoked today to be joined by Dan Lorenzo of
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  Patriarchs in Black. How are you doing, brother?
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  Everything is good. Isn't it?
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  You know, the world can be falling apart, but we still have
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  music and we still have this community, which I'm super
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  grateful for. Yeah, the world is a little
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  crazy, but you know, I'm in my own little cocoon here with my
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  wife and, you know, I live in a gated community, man.
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  As soon as I go out, I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
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  But everything's good in my little circle, you know?
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  Yeah, for real. It's like man, but everywhere.
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  But yeah, man, new album Homecoming out soon on one of my
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  favorite labels. And I'm not just saying that.
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  People who watch our channel know that We have interviewed
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  most of the Meadowville artists. They do a great job in my
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  opinion. They have underground artists,
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  they have well known artists, and they treat them all the
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  same. So first of all, I see.
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  I hope that's been a fruitful relationship for you because you
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  know, it's still the music business.
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  I'm fond of saying it's the music business, not the music
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  friendship. But if you can work with your
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  friends, it's better. Yeah, yeah, Now everything's
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  going good. This is our second record with
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  them, our fourth album overall if you don't include our cover
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  CD. So yeah, we've been, like I
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  said, this is the second album with Metal Ville and people seem
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  to be loving it, you know, so I'm.
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  I'm stoked. I love the covers man.
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  Like every band starts out as a covers band, but when you have
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  like upper echelon people playing and making covers, it's
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  always a great hoot. Yeah, and as you know, we have
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  different singers on every song, so it's been really fun giving
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  different songs to different singers and come and be seeing
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  what they come back with, you know?
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  Right on. Let's back it up for a second
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  and talk exactly about that, because I thought it was a super
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  awesome approach. Obviously, you know, you could
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  work with anybody. There are some unbelievable
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  singers on this record, so many bangers and so many wonderful
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  vocal performances. Did you write?
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  Did you and Johnny write with people in mind or did you write,
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  start this project like every song is going to have a
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  different singer and I'm going to write to that singer?
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  Or did you write the material in and say, you know, who would be
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  good on this so and so? How'd you go?
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  Yeah, the second one. So basically, you know, I just
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  write people always say, hey, like, you know, you were people
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  like you who liked Hades. Why don't you write it an album
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  or a song like, you know, resisting success, the first
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  Hades album. And I'm like, I can't, you know,
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  I, I, I'm like the worst phony in the world as far as like, I
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  don't know how to put a tie on. I don't know how to act
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  corporate. I don't know how to, you know, I
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  don't think about what I should write.
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  I shit just comes out, you know. So, you know, I, we in the old
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  days, I used to have, we used to have Hades rehearsals and I come
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  up with the riff and I, this is before like you could even
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  record things on a four track. I remember distinctly my
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  drummer, Tom Coombs, like I'd write a riff.
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  He's like play that again and he'd do this and he like I would
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  play it again and again and again.
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  And, and it's like I have a really short ass attention span.
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  So that wasn't really conducive to me because the Haiti's guys
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  wanted to rehearse 3 * a week, whether we're doing shows or
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  not. And then when I started
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  nonfiction, it was a lot more spontaneity, which for me is
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  awesome. And with with Patriarchs in
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  Black, I just go upstairs or wherever sometimes in my car and
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  I write and I record it. And then I, you know, go to my
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  buddy's house, my buddy studio J Rod.
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  I record to a click track. So the song is finished.
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  Like my parts are finished by the time anybody else hears it.
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  I send it to Johnny. There's the drums.
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  And then I, you know, in my head I hear vocals and melodies and
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  lyrics sometimes. And then sometimes the singer's
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  like, no, no, no. I want to write my own stuff to
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  it. You know, that happens more
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  often than not. So I let I just think about
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  whose voice would be good for the song, you know?
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  Great. Thanks for unpacking that for
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  us. And yeah, such a killer record.
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  I really can't wait for people to hear this thing.
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  And it seems like you made a record with a lot of your
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  friends. So that's really cool that you
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  or you make or you became friends if you weren't already.
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  But I know though, these are, you know, some in some cases
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  close associates to yours and people, you know, just, you
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  know, you and Johnny know from the business.
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  I think it's a a great collection of people who
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  surprised you the most with their the job they did.
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  Let's think. So.
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  There's this guy named Joe Ferrara.
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  I wrote a song. It had a temporary title called
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  White Dog, and it became a Storm King.
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  But I had given it to Carl, like when I gave him the call like a
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  year ago. And I said to Carl, I said, man,
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  I have melody and lyrics for this song.
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  The call, it was called something Different.
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  And I fucking loved it. It's like, no, I don't want to
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  hear it, man. You know, let me work.
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  I'm like, all right. So like a few months go by, I'm
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  like, yo, man, you sure I can't send you what I have?
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  It's like, no, no, no, just hang on.
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  Don't do that. I'm going.
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  So he eventually wrote something, and he never finished
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  this, the tentative title song White Dog, which became Storm
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  King. So I'm like, shit, man, I want
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  this song on the record. So there's a band around here.
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  They really play in Maryland more often in Connecticut called
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  the Amish Outlaws. And their bass player has been a
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  fan of mine since he was 14 years old.
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  And the singer sent me a text out of the blue, just like, hey,
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  man, I have this great singer for you if you ever need
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  anybody. I'm like, you know what?
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  I, I, I never saw. I want to get in the record, but
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  it's not going to be enough time.
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  This guy, Joe Ferrara, who I never heard of before.
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  I mean, maybe I saw him because I've seen the Amish outlaws a
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  lot, but I didn't remember him. And he sang his ass off in less
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  than 24 hours. He sent me a finished song that
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  has been sitting around there with drums and Johnny Araya, you
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  know, Tom Araya's brother. He played bass guitar on it like
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  months ago. And the record had to be handed
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  in. And Joe finished the song like
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  24 hours after I gave it to him and his vocals just rushed it.
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  So that was really cool. And then like, you know, the
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  last person I spoke with on the phone was DMC.
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  It's still funny to me that, you know, he's involved with me.
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  He loves my riffs, He loves patriarchs and blacks.
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  So that's like still surprising to me, even though we've written
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  like, I guess 123 songs for Yorks and Black together in
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  about 7 or 8 songs for DMC and me, you know?
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  Amazing. Yeah.
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  We're big DMC fans and that's a great story about Joe.
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  Yeah. Carl, of course, is Carl Agell.
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  People know him best from COC Blind, but of course Carl is
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  currently the singer of several bands.
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  The Skull, like Heavy. Carl's a huge influence of mine
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  personally, and I've been very lucky to interview him a few
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  times. And even like remembered like a
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  10 year gap of interviews. There's like, yeah, yeah, you
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  were so cool. I was like, well, you're so
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  cool. So and then yes, such a great,
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  just a wonderful dude. His vocals crush on that song.
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  And then Kyle from X Order kicks things off with a very X Order
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  sounding song, like a very swampy NOLA metal song.
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  Kyle's very versatile and incredibles.
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  Another dude who could sing the phone book and it would sound
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  great. You know, I will say Dewey Bragg
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  from Kill Devil Hill, his not his performance because I know
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  the guy has incredible pipes. But that song surprised me with
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  what he put on it because I think people will not, will be
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  very surprised to hear this very beautiful angelic voice come
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  from this hard ass biker looking dude, right?
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  Yeah, I was just texting with him last night.
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  So I actually wrote that those lyrics in the melody line.
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  And that was the song is called Frisian.
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  And I titled the song that because the messing around on
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  Instagram contacting tattoo artist, which is what I do for a
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  living. And it said the word Frisian is
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  something like, you know what music gives you goosebumps?
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  That's Frisian, you know, so I'm like, oh, that's a really that's
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  AI never knew that. That's a cool title for a song.
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  And Johnny's mom passed away. Johnny Kelly's mom passed away
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  while we were making this record.
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  And so did my younger cousin. And the song is basically about
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  somebody in a hospital room. It's like going into the
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  hospital room. You can stay for a while or stay
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  till the end, meaning the end of life.
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  And I've waited my whole life to sing you this song.
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  But my now my time's over. It's time to go home.
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  And that's what the album means. Home means like where I am right
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  now, but it also means up there like, you know, when you pass
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  away and, or when you're driving and your navigation's like, you
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  know, you hit your address take taking you home.
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  The word just comes up a lot for me lately and I I thought it had
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  like a cool just vibe of, you know, all the different
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  connotations of the word home. But yeah, do we.
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  I knew he'd crush anything. He could sing.
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  I've sent, he sang on our first album and I've sent him a couple
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  things after that, but he didn't have time or just, it took him a
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  while, but I sent him this. I'm like, man, I need you to
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  sing this. So I sent it to him with me
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  singing, you know, really poorly.
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  I'm not a great singer, not even a good singer, but I had the
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  lyrics to the Melly and I don't even play on that song.
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  You know, I just, I wrote the violin parts, the Viola and the
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  lyrics to the melody. So it's probably the first song
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  I ever played on or the first song I've ever had on a record
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  where I'm not even playing on the song.
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  You know, right on. Maybe that's a an unexplored
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  extra talent now arranging and scoring and things like, you
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  know, classical music is. We know I can't play hardly
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  anymore. I got so much pain from my wrist
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  from up to here. It hurts when I play.
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  So maybe that's the future for me.
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  Oh, no. Well, I'm sure you can see a
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  specialist about that, you know. You know, first of all, I'm
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  sorry for your loss. We talked to Johnny right after
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  his mom passed away too. So I'm deeply sorry to hear
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  that. And you wrote a very nice
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  message on my personal Instagram that I don't barely use anymore
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  about my, you know, like my Last Post, I don't post there much.
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  I have I have like ghost cult accounts that I will manage
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  also. But thank you for that very nice
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  message about my mom because my mom passed away and it was a
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  very similar thing. And that song made so much sense
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  to me. And the album makes a lot more
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  sense to me now. So thank you for your, you know,
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  very it's compassion and empathy or lacking in the world.
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  So maybe we can inject it back with art and music, right.
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  So, you know, I imagine like every guitar player you just
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  have you jam and you write riffs.
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  But like obviously like every guitar player has like, oh, that
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  riff I never used or that demo I never saw all the way through
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  last time. But you know, I it's it feels
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  very fresh. It does feel like an out on one
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  hand. It's like, you know, I always
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  feel with you. I know what your influences are.
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  No, Johnnys influences from from project to project, drum to
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  drum, tuning to tuning. I know how he does.
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  But for you, like I imagine, like, you know, it's a whole new
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  process when you're writing for, you know, oh, the record.
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  I'm going to write a new record and I'm going to collect ideas
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  and I'm going to put them down. Do you?
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  Do you? I see you do a lot of pre
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  production and demoing yourself. Do do you do a lot of demo
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  processes before you even share that stuff?
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  No. So what I do is just like, like
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  I said, for the song, the call, the one that Carl Lagel sings
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  and John JD Deservio from Black Label Society on base, I was
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  either checking out of a hotel with my wife or I was driving in
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  my car and I went Bow Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
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  You know, and I I hummed that into my phone.
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  I'm like, this is fucking happening, this riff.
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  So I come home and Bobby Blitz once said something about me
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  really nice that I'll never forget.
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  And he's right. Like I hear the riff on my head.
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  I don't I think I don't know how to play it.
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  But then I pick up a guitar and I just start playing it in the
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  right key. Like I have a couple different
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  guitars upstairs. I always seem to pick the right
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  guitar with the right tuning, But so I I'll play that and then
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  I'll mess around with that riff and then I, I just played it
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  over and over again. And then where I see where it
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  takes me and then it takes me to the chorus and then I'm like,
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  OK, now where's the next step? So I don't really like, I don't
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  jam as far as like I don't jam with like Johnny and I have
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  never jammed together, believe it or not, in the same room.
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  We've never done that, but I have an idea of how I want to
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  lay this song out. And then what I do, Keith, is I
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  just say if the song is like, almost together Monday night,
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  I'll text my engineer like, yo, you got some recording time for
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  me Wednesday, Thursday or next week.
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  And then whatever he says, like, yeah, next week.
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  And I'm like, now I got to bear down and arrange this song the
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  right way, like in this usually songs done 100% of range until
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  he books time for me. And then I'm like, I got it.
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  I got to figure this out, you know.
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  Well, that little self pressure is probably really good for you.
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  Like that's a good expectation to set for yourself.
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  Like time, time management, man, just like everything else in
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  life, right? And you're doing this around
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  family and around your career outside of music and everything.
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  So respect, man, much respect. But yeah, it's a it's a great
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  sound in record. You, you and your crew have
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  great ears. And I'm still a fan of albums.
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  I grew up listening to albums on vinyl.
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  I went through all the things, tapes and CDs.
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  I love a sequenced album. And even though all these songs
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  have different singers, it still sounds like patriarch to black.
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  And it's, it's really well, like it's a real good journey to
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  listen to from start to finish personally.
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  Yeah, I, I really think Visioning was one of our.
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  I mean, people always say, oh, this is the best record, this
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  whatever. I thought Visioning was like,
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  that's an album that had to be listened to as an album, the
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  previous album. Not that it didn't make sense
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  song by song, but I, I really like, yeah, an album.
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  And, you know, there's some people who's like, oh, it's hard
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  to have continuity with all different singers.
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  But it's like, you know, my Spotify playlist, it goes all
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  over the map. But to me, it, there's
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  continuity in there. It's just fucking great music,
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  you know? So thank you for your kind
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  words. Yeah, no worries.
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  So these are the things that matter to me, the listener.
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  And I also have a podcast about vinyl where we listen to whole
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  discographies and yell at each other and disagree.
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  It's awesome. But like, yeah, listening.
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  I still care about records. I know that they say that half
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  the people that have like, buy records don't even have a
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  turntable. But you know what?
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  You're supporting a band you love if that's your jam, and at
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  least take them out of the plastic, because they do shrink.
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  They shrink overtime. You don't want to warp your
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  records, even if you're never going to play them.
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  They're beautiful. I'm sure it's like, amazing to
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  you to have vinyl now, having sold tapes out of your car and
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  it shows in the 80s and 90s and CDs and now it's amazing to
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  have, like, vinyl of these, this product.
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  I know Metalville does a very nice job on the physical stuff.
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  Yeah. I got a Radley Aaron record from
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  them that they sent me after talking to Lee.
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  And I love Lee. Like, she was like, seriously,
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  you remember that? I was like, how could I not?
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  I had the I used to carry my little Denon cassette tape bag
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  around with me everywhere in high school with the orange
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  headphones that were terrible and everybody.
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  Was that's a crush on her in the 80s, I must say.
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  Gorgeous and still beautiful and like the incredibly nice and
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  humble also. She'd be.
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  Maybe for the next record you could get her on a song.
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  She's so talented. Meadowville.
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  Make that happen for us. Yeah.
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  Man, was there anybody you couldn't get that you wanted?
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  Yeah, Phil Ensemble. I've asked.
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  I reached out to him, never heard back.
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  And he was a fan of nonfiction and Rex Brown.
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  I texted him for the previous record.
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  I said, hey, man, you know, how much would it cost to get you to
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  do a song? He's like, dude, I do it for
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  free, but I'm not allowed to right now.
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  I'm contractually, I'm not allowed to.
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  And then I think there was some people who just didn't respond.
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  You know, I finally tracked down and we're doing writing a song
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  together right now. Is this guy named Dan from a
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  band called 60 Watts Shaman? I, I have loved his voice for
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  years. I could never go to hold of him.
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  Like of course I got a hold of him right after we handed in the
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  home album. So we're actually writing a song
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  together right now. He sent me some stuff he did the
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  other night and I'm really psyched about it.
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  So I did get a hold of him. You know, JD from Black Label
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  Society is a huge New York Knicks fan, you know, and I'm
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  wearing my Knicks jersey right now.
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  Right on. That was really cool.
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  I mean he and I have jammed actually.
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  He played on the second album as well.
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  And Bobby Blitz, every couple years or so he has like an All
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  Star jam with like Chris Caffery and he lets me hang out with the
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  All Stars. And we do like covers, you know,
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  every now and then. Blitz we, I wrote the first song
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  hymns for the Heretic, for him. He I misunderstood him, it turns
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  out. I thought he wanted to be
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  involved like he's always he's a big fan of my riffs.
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  We know we did the Curse record together.
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  He's always been so nice to me, complimentary of my songwriting.
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  But he doesn't want to be what he says. 1 of many he doesn't
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  want to be 1 of 10 singers on the record.
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  And honestly, at this point in my life, Keith, I am having so
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  much fun with this. Like as much as I say love
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  Vessel of Light, that was my band previous to this and Nathan
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  Opposition is such a fucking genius and I love Vessel of
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  Light still right now. I can't even imagine doing a
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  record with just one singer, you know?
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  It's just, to me, it's so exciting having every song
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  potentially sounds so different from the next one, you know?
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  Right on, of course. Yeah, Blitz is great and JD is
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  another Jersey guy and I love of all this Knicks love they
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  finally had like a good season that we'll see what happens next
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  year. I'm a very jaded old school
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  Knicks fan because they won like 3 months before I was born and
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  then never again. But luckily I'm a Yankees fan
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  and the Giants have treated me pretty well except for the last
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  couple of years so I can't be too mad.
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  And Rangers in hockey. I would understand if you were a
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  Devils fan because how could you not be?
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  Hockey's I don't even watch hockey.
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  So for me it goes like basketball and then baseball and
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  then I grew up a baseball player.
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  But I'm just obsessed with the New York Knicks like that.
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  Yeah, yeah, they finally have a good team.
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  Yeah, let's see what happens. I hope next year they take it
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  another step forward. League isn't league isn't
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  parody. They anybody could win now.
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  I'm excited. I I hope we, I hope we win.
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  But yeah, maybe the Knicks can have you out there and play the
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  anthem or something. They need the luck.
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  I don't think, I don't think James Dolan would let me take
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  the guitar out of his hands. Oh, fair enough.
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  Yeah, right. He is a big guitar collection,
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  right? So yeah, man, just the killer
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  album. Fun hearing about those things
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  outside of those who you already mentioned, obviously.
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  Yeah, DMC, man, the guy is a legend.
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  That whole track is incredible. It really, it's also, I think
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  people are going to really key in on that.
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  I don't know if it's going to be a single, but maybe it should be
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  that. I listen to that track a bunch
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  of times and that and a few others.
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  And yeah, it's such a standout. DMC is just one of the best
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  humans ever, man. I got to meet him and talk to
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  him and he's amazing and his music's amazing still.
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  You know, it's funny because I was going into the studio to
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  write actually, no, do a new Black Sabbath cover.
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  And I sent the a riff I had that I found on my phone.
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  And I'm like, dude, what do you think of this riff?
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  And he didn't respond. And that's generally his way of
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  saying, you know, not really. So like half an hour ago, he's
• 19:02
  like, hey, man, can you send me that riff again?
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  I'm like, OK, so I said it to him again.
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  He's like, fuck yes. He's like, that's that's the
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  song has got to start just like that.
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  That's going to be a hit. That's going to be one of the
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  greatest. I'm like, I I so I called up
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  like, you know, you cracked me up, man.
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  I thought you didn't like it. I was going into the studio.
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  I would have actually recorded it that night, but you never
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  responded. So I thought you didn't like it.
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  He's like, I love it, you know, So it's still so funny.
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  You know, I can listen to it's tricky in my car one day and I'm
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  talking with DMC telling me he just freaks out from my riffs
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  like, you know, half an hour ago, maybe 45 minutes right
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  before we started this interview.
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  It's. Yeah, he's amazing, a big fan of
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  his comic book series. Daryl makes comics and and all
• 19:39
  his different things. He's got a band with your buddy
• 19:41
  Dukes. Then he has also you made some
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  music with Rob Dukes, Matt, Rob Dukes back in Exodus.
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  So, uh, maybe Rob will be, you know, in between Exodus things,
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  maybe you can come back for the next one That would be.
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  Cool. We're mixing a song right now
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  with Rob Dukes on vocals called a Kiss cover.
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  Strange Ways. Oh, amazing.
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  Yeah. I love the Almost Human cover.
• 19:58
  That's kind of funny that you brought that up, The strange
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  ways. Almost Humans like a super
• 20:02
  underrated song to me. I remember it very well from
• 20:05
  side 4 of Kiss Alive 2. That's how far back I go kiss.
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  Art. No.
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  Oh no. Was love gun.
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  That's right, love gun that's right that's right love gun.
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  It's that same era. They all kind of bleed together.
• 20:17
  It's you know, 50 years ago. I don't remember shit from
• 20:19
  yesterday. I don't know what I had for
• 20:20
  dinner last night. So anyway, all I know is music.
• 20:24
  I don't have room for anything else and, and maybe my lady.
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  But yeah, man, it's such a fun project and I do hope you keep
• 20:31
  this vibe going. And I'm I'm really excited.
• 20:34
  Beside sharing all this other stuff, obviously you are, you're
• 20:37
  constantly working on stuff. Anything else going on?
• 20:40
  Any chance of some Hades reissues on vinyl at some point
• 20:43
  again? It all came out last year.
• 20:47
  Everything, everything including an album called Hades Lost Fox
• 20:51
  Studio Sessions, which is just demo tapes and Katie's live on
• 20:55
  location just came out. It's it's such a good package.
• 20:59
  Guys going to kill me. He's from Albuquerque.
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  I can't think of the name of the label that released it, but it
• 21:04
  was funny because last year I got, you know, the copy of
• 21:07
  Visioning on vinyl. And then I I got pref non
• 21:11
  fiction preface non fiction in the no non fiction.
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  It's a wonderful lie, Hades. What came out last?
• 21:16
  The downside, save yourself live and locate.
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  It's like I was. I can't even believe I've
• 21:22
  released this many records in my life, you know, But yeah,
• 21:25
  everything is on vinyl. And in fact, I want to get you a
• 21:28
  share it for free. There's a company called Back
• 21:31
  from the dead. Send me an e-mail with your
• 21:35
  shirt size and your mailing address so I'll get you a Hates
• 21:37
  Resisting Success shirt, Back from the Dead and Season of Mist
• 21:41
  to make our officially licensed Hates Nonfiction, Vessel of
• 21:46
  Light and Patriarchs and Black. Shirts.
• 21:48
  Shout out to them. I know they have a print on
• 21:50
  demand company and all that jazz.
• 21:52
  So good stuff there Season amist.
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  Also friends of ours. So nice work man.
• 21:56
  Thank you so much. It's very generous of you.
• 21:58
  I was a huge fan, like I said, going back in the day,
• 22:00
  nonfiction ripped also. I love those records.
• 22:03
  It's a wonderful lie. Was on rotation for a while with
• 22:06
  me and yeah man, I'm glad you're still out there grinding away
• 22:09
  and doing your thing. I always like to end these with
• 22:13
  a wild card question, so knowing that you were a Jersey guy and I
• 22:16
  have a lot of history going from New York City to Jersey take me
• 22:20
  back in time. Wild card question.
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  What is your favorite show you attended as a fan in New Jersey
• 22:26
  as you could be local, could have been huge, whatever.
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  It is Plasmatics Coup d'etat, or we mentioned Almost Human by
• 22:35
  Kiss. That's actually Jean Paul
• 22:36
  Bouvier playing based on that. I saw him a couple years ago and
• 22:40
  I said, man, that is the shit coup d'etat.
• 22:43
  And he's like, man, everybody loves that album.
• 22:45
  But I went to see them less than 15 miles from my house at a
• 22:50
  place called Circus Circus and actually wrote about this in a
• 22:54
  book. I think the book is called The
• 22:55
  Circus. And I go in and now my dad had
• 22:59
  died and I guess unbeknownst to me, I was having panic attacks
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  and I this was probably my first time I really knew I had a panic
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  attack. I go to see the plasmatics and
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  the bombs are going off and shit's falling from the roof.
• 23:11
  The roof wasn't that high, the ceiling, and I remember having a
• 23:15
  lot of difficulty breathing and I really thought I was going to
• 23:18
  die. Like literally, I thought I was
• 23:20
  going to die. I ran outside and maybe it was
• 23:21
  just a panic attack or maybe there really was crap going into
• 23:24
  my nose and my lungs, but just. I'm such a big fan of the
• 23:28
  Plasmatics Coup d'etat album, and even though I've seen some
• 23:32
  great shows in New Jersey, just the intimacy of that small venue
• 23:36
  and my love for Coup d'etat, I mean, to me it's a perfect
• 23:39
  album. That was probably my favorite
• 23:42
  show I've ever seen in Jersey. Right on.
• 23:43
  That's amazing. I'm so jealous.
• 23:46
  That's a great story and I and I hope you've overcome your issues
• 23:51
  as an anxiety sufferer and panic attack sufferer.
• 23:57
  I have it. I'm on a high dose because I
• 23:58
  can't, I have trouble, but I'm on a very high dose.
• 24:01
  But it's all good man. We'll get through the musical.
• 24:04
  Help us. That's my higher power.
• 24:06
  Dan Lorenzo patriarchs and Black new album Homecoming out on
• 24:09
  Metalville Records. Our favorite, one of our
• 24:11
  favorite labels. We're not supposed to have
• 24:12
  favorite labels, but I do. Thanks so much for hanging out
• 24:14
  with me today, man. I appreciate you.
• 24:16
  And yeah, best of luck with everything and go Knicks.
• 24:20
  Thank you man, send me this link when you have it.
• 24:22
  I will do. We're going to share everything.
• 24:24
  See you soon.