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  Speaker 1: So let's talk ball and what to expect this season
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  Speaker 1: with Josh Pate The Lake Kick with Josh Show, also
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  Speaker 1: now doing stuff with ESPN as well. He continues to
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  Speaker 1: absolutely kill it covering college football and he joins us
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  Speaker 1: here on the Mack and Bone Show, Josh, how you doing, man?
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good. I was just kind of letting my mind
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  Speaker 3: wander as it is wont to do when you were
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  Speaker 3: talking about the transfer portal era. Yes, I was driving
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  Speaker 3: back from Florida yesterday up to Nashville. You see the
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  Speaker 3: RVs on the road, and it's normally people who are
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  Speaker 3: probably sixty and older that have those stickers on the
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  Speaker 3: back of their RVs. It's a map of the United
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  Speaker 3: States and they just has the states filled in that
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  Speaker 3: they've been to. That's really what they should do on
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  Speaker 3: the rivals page, not just with the tourism sticker.
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  Speaker 2: Ball. That's a hell of a call, man. That is beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So earlier on Josh in the show, we did a
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  Speaker 1: segment acc talk with West Durham and we didn't get
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  Speaker 1: the Clemson, which and we obsess over Clemson the teams
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  Speaker 1: we usually talk about, but they got they got left
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  Speaker 1: on the cutt room floor. Clemson fans are mad, so
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  Speaker 1: we promised them. I know you talked to Dabbo this summer.
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  Speaker 1: It was a very good interview, and we promised them
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  Speaker 1: Clemson talk with Josh paid. So you talked to Dabbo
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  Speaker 1: and I thought he's pretty honest about about you know,
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  Speaker 1: last year and stuff. But he's also still defiant Dabo
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  Speaker 1: right about you know, don't count us out, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: almost likes the fact that some people are kind of
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  Speaker 1: counting them out this year. What did you get from
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  Speaker 1: from what Dabo said to you? And what's your gut
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  Speaker 1: feeling about Clemson this season?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 3: I have been around situations before, Not to name any names,
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  Speaker 3: but I've been around situations before where you're going into
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  Speaker 3: a season, the expectations are really low, and even though
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  Speaker 3: the coach and the people at the program say all
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  Speaker 3: the right things, you can kind of tell they know
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  Speaker 3: they're going to need a lot to go right this year.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So I see it up that way to
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  Speaker 3: make sure I emphasize it is not that way at
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  Speaker 3: Clemson at all. Now that doesn't mean anything to what
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  Speaker 3: the result is going to be this year. But if
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  Speaker 3: the only reason I'm saying that is because I have
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  Speaker 3: had some questions when I do national stuff or talk
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  Speaker 3: to national people, and they'll they'll assume that since their
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  Speaker 3: expectations of Clemson are lowered this year, that must be
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  Speaker 3: the vibe around the program. The vibe around the program
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  Speaker 3: is they're about to win a national title. Out feels
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  Speaker 3: around the program so defiant. We could call it that,
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  Speaker 3: we could call it just hopelessly optimistic. I think that's
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  Speaker 3: positive quality, by the way, just generally in humans. I
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  Speaker 3: like to see that more than the alternatives. I hung
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  Speaker 3: out with him for two days over there a couple
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  Speaker 3: of months ago, I guess, and he just laid out
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  Speaker 3: every facet of the program. You go into Dado's office,
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  Speaker 3: there is a binder. I had no idea they made
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  Speaker 3: binders this big, but they have a binder that is
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  Speaker 3: roughly as tall as my grandmother was, of every single
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  Speaker 3: facet of the program. And he's just flipping through it,
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  Speaker 3: just laying out the program, but lay specifically you know
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  Speaker 3: what went wrong last year. Obviously, he's talked a lot
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  Speaker 3: about bringing Sad Morris in, which was his you know
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  Speaker 3: the switch he flips the first time it went bad
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  Speaker 3: after high expectations in twenty ten. So the hope there
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  Speaker 3: is he pulls the nose up again. But I think
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  Speaker 3: the hope around there too is they're searching for one
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  Speaker 3: of the same things a bunch of teams in the
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  Speaker 3: SEC are searching for. You could say this about Bama,
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  Speaker 3: you could say it about Oklahoma, LSU. He couldn't run
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  Speaker 3: the ball last year. So we keep on looking at
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  Speaker 3: these traditional power programs who all suffered from a variation
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  Speaker 3: of the same ailment and they couldn't run the ball.
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  Speaker 3: It's a miracle Bama made it to the playoffs and
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  Speaker 3: won a game, but still they won a game because
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  Speaker 3: they faced one of those other teams that couldn't run
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  Speaker 3: the ball. So it's a bunch of teams searching, a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of programs searching for a way to get back
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  Speaker 3: to what they all did once upon a time. And
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  Speaker 3: to me, even more so than Vizena and talking about
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  Speaker 3: quarterback and offensive coordinator, just the overall DNA, the overall ethos,
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  Speaker 3: what you're about, that's really what will determine what Clemson's
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  Speaker 3: able to do this year.
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  Speaker 4: Josh, who do you think is under more pressure this year?
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  Speaker 3: Is it?
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  Speaker 4: Dabo? At Clemson? To find that magic again, or is
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  Speaker 4: it Beamer in the same state trying to find consistency
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  Speaker 4: with this program that he hasn't really found yet.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's easily sane. In fact, I challenge
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  Speaker 3: anyone who answers that question. Otherwise, how do you justify
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  Speaker 3: answering it any other way? Because you've said the word
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  Speaker 3: again with Dabo, Well, that means he's done it. That
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  Speaker 3: means he's got multiple championships, not just one. He's got
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  Speaker 3: multiple championships. And if he were to never win another game,
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  Speaker 3: his legacy is security. He's a Hall of Famer. They'll
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  Speaker 3: name stuff after him if they haven't already. Shane and
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  Speaker 3: I am. I love Shane Biemer. I'm very close to him.
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  Speaker 3: But if we're just talking about the Wikipedia page, if
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about the resume you've got, you've had a
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  Speaker 3: couple of hopeful blips on the radar screen. They almost
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  Speaker 3: made the playoff two years ago, and I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to discount that. That's a big deal. And you know
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  Speaker 3: it was all leading up to last year. We got
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  Speaker 3: Lenora Sellers here, we got Dylan Stewart here. We were
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  Speaker 3: coming off a year where we knocked on the door
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  Speaker 3: of the playoff. Well, history says, or at least in
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  Speaker 3: my mind says, we're supposed to take the next step,
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  Speaker 3: We're supposed to be a playoff team. Well they weren't.
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  Speaker 3: And then you come into this year and it's just
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like there's a ton of juice, which
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  Speaker 3: again that's preseason stuff. As you said, those are shenanigans.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean anything. It just means you've got a
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  Speaker 3: volume knob there that's turned way down on you right now,
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  Speaker 3: and you are tasked with turning it way up this year.
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  Speaker 3: And you're doing it playing nine conference games, which if
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  Speaker 3: everyone hasn't been beaten over the head to death with
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  Speaker 3: that headline already, get ready because that's coming for four
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  Speaker 3: days next week. I think I think the Hope will
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  Speaker 3: be aware the SEC is playing nine league games by
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  Speaker 3: the end of next week. But I oh Man unequivocally
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  Speaker 3: at Shane Beemer, Hey.
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  Speaker 1: At least the number in the SEC is uniform in
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  Speaker 1: this world where they still have some teams that are
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  Speaker 1: playing eight conference games, because the math does it math
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  Speaker 1: with seventeen teams.
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  Speaker 4: So Mike the Pope better than not I interrupt, do
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  Speaker 4: Greg Sankee speaking though, Josh, there's lines we don't cross here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean those words are red the words of
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  Speaker 3: Greg in Red in.
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  Speaker 1: The We're talking college football with Josh Pate here on
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  Speaker 1: the mac en Bone Show. Josh, we've been talking about
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  Speaker 1: the possibility. And I don't know if you want to
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  Speaker 1: shoot this down, but and maybe it's just because we're
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  Speaker 1: a you know a lot of ACC fans here that
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  Speaker 1: don't like the two big dogs in the sport. But
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  Speaker 1: we have talked about is there a legit possibility where
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  Speaker 1: there could be a national title game without a Big
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  Speaker 1: ten team and without an SEC team and our two
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  Speaker 1: hopes for that you can probably figure out our Notre
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  Speaker 1: Dame in Miami. Can you see that world? Or is
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  Speaker 1: that just is that pie in the sky?
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  Speaker 3: Wow? No faith in a Brendan Soresville, Texas Tech Wow?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah me neither. Okay, So I'm would you guys, I'm
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  Speaker 3: I'm one with you. Yeah, it could happen. It doesn't
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  Speaker 3: matter if if there are two little oasis is OAYSI
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  Speaker 3: whatever the plural of oasis is, It doesn't matter if
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  Speaker 3: there are only two of them out there in the desert.
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  Speaker 3: Those are two really really good ones, Miami and Notre
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  Speaker 3: Dame are really really good. So I guess that could happen.
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  Speaker 3: My whole, my whole, I guess my whole thing about
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  Speaker 3: all that is, I really love how the only barometer
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  Speaker 3: that most of the college football public chooses to use
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  Speaker 3: about the health of your conference is if you have
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  Speaker 3: a team in the national title game. So give you
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  Speaker 3: a quick anecdote on that. Last year, it's the day
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  Speaker 3: after the semi finals and I'm doing Get Up with
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  Speaker 3: Mike Greenberg. This is when Old Mis lost to Miami.
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  Speaker 3: It was a very very close game. So they shoot
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  Speaker 3: me the headlines that we're going to go over in
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  Speaker 3: the production meeting, and they said, all right, one of
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  Speaker 3: the things we want to talk about is now that
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  Speaker 3: it's guaranteed the SEC won't have a team in the
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  Speaker 3: national title game. Again, what's wrong with the SEC? And
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  Speaker 3: my whole point, I said, hit me with that on air.
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  Speaker 3: I'll just give you this on air. Greeney tossed it
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  Speaker 3: my way, and I said, let's just say Ole Miss
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  Speaker 3: won the game last night. Change one play in the game,
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  Speaker 3: they win the game, They're in the National title Game.
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  Speaker 3: How does that change the overall status of the SEC?
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  Speaker 3: So this year, here's what would be funny. Let's say
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  Speaker 3: the SEC is a mess except for Texas, and Texas
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  Speaker 3: goes undefeated through that thing. It's twelve and no Texas
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  Speaker 3: and the next best team's eight and four. Texas goes
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  Speaker 3: on to win the national title. Are we really saying
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  Speaker 3: that was a better year for the SEC? Are we
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  Speaker 3: really saying the SEC improved over twenty twenty six just
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  Speaker 3: because of their team Texas won the national title. So
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a long winded answer, I know,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, I get it on a lot because it
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  Speaker 3: is this one thing that people use to judge what,
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  Speaker 3: in reality is a pretty complex situation that also you
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  Speaker 3: can't quantify, and it leads to massive arguments on the internet,
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  Speaker 3: which I'm fully Infatua love.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, which I think we all love.
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  Speaker 4: Now, you you have notre Dame number one right in
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  Speaker 4: your preseason rankings.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this is very, very very important to to classify correctly.
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  Speaker 3: There is and as you both know, there is a
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  Speaker 3: huge difference between post spring rankings and pre season rankings because,
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  Speaker 3: as we all know, a ton happens in May and
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  Speaker 3: June to change the course of history. So you would
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  Speaker 3: be correct if you said that my post spring number
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  Speaker 3: one was Notre Dame. It's anybody's guess as to what
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  Speaker 3: my pre season number one will be.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, oh okay, there you go, little tease lit Because
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  Speaker 4: I did Google and it came up that July first
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  Speaker 4: you announced there name for number one. But I think
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  Speaker 4: the Internet may have lied to me Josh Pate, and
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  Speaker 4: that's may hey, I give you a bad information.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that happened there.
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  Speaker 4: You just google Josh Pate's name and all these rankings
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  Speaker 4: come flying out at you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, so many places we can find you.
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 2: Is there any depth in the A beyond Miami?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 2: Is there is there?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Can there be two plows? I would find two playoff
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  Speaker 1: teams this season as a bit of a victory for
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  Speaker 1: the ACC. Is there a second playoff team in there?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you that would be a big victory.
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  Speaker 3: So to me, that's all contingent on Louisville and SMU.
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  Speaker 3: It'd be great if you know, Virginia Tech got in
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  Speaker 3: the mix or what not. Clemson obviously we already talked
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  Speaker 3: about them. But I think that SMU and Louisville will
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  Speaker 3: answer that question. I think they could get two teams
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  Speaker 3: in there. Now, here's what really comes down to. You
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  Speaker 3: didn't ask me about the SEC, but I think the
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  Speaker 3: SEC will have a lot to say about this, only
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  Speaker 3: because I think it's inevitable they will have a glut,
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  Speaker 3: and you know how rarely I use that word, but
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  Speaker 3: will have a glut of three lost teams in the SEC. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so they have spent their entire offseason lobbying two entities.
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  Speaker 3: One is Congress and the other is the Playoff Committee.
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  Speaker 3: To make sure everyone understands, yes, we're playing nine league
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  Speaker 3: games now, so our three loss team is a little
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  Speaker 3: bit different than a normal three loss team, so you
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  Speaker 3: need to change your criteria. And they did get a
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  Speaker 3: verbal agreement that, hey, we will, we will change our criteria.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna play a lot more attention to sprink the schedule.
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  Speaker 3: Great in June, but come come late November. How does
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  Speaker 3: the committee really look at that? So what I mean is,
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  Speaker 3: let's say let's say you had a week, relatively speaking,
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  Speaker 3: a week eleven and one, or especially a ten to
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  Speaker 3: two Louisville or SMU resume versus a nine to three
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  Speaker 3: Texas A and M resume three to one possession of
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  Speaker 3: losses to top twelve teams. That to me is where
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  Speaker 3: rubber meets road. Even if Louisville and or SMU or Clemson,
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  Speaker 3: even if some of those teams do end up exceeding
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  Speaker 3: expectations from an over underwin loss perspective, that's only part
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  Speaker 3: one of the equation. Part two is how does the
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  Speaker 3: committee compare them to I would assume three loss SEC teams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's a legit question. No doubt about that
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  Speaker 1: Louisville game.
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  Speaker 3: Bone.
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  Speaker 1: You keep talking about Louisville Mississippi. Week one could be
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  Speaker 1: a huge one for the conference. Really could be. Because
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  Speaker 1: I'm already conceding Clemson loses. This is at LSU, for
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  Speaker 1: better or worse. Josh all right, let's uh, let's tell
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  Speaker 1: everybody where you find Josh Pate. It is Josh Pat's
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  Speaker 1: Slash Twitter. Thank you, brother, It's always fun.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate it feels good the three of us being back together.
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  Speaker 3: It feels right.
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  Speaker 1: It does, and we didn't bring up Nil or the
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  Speaker 1: courts at all. Man, God, it was beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm now I'm going to wait for your rankings
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  Speaker 4: to come out, not your post spring rankings, but you're
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  Speaker 4: almost to the fall rank.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's okay.
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  Speaker 3: This was this was actually, this was a post spring conversation.
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  Speaker 3: This wasn't even our first preseason conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Don't He just opened the door for you to text
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  Speaker 1: them again. On to me with a good text. All right, Josh,
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  Speaker 1: keep up the good work, brother. We appreciate you.
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  Speaker 3: Man, See you, guys,