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All right, Barbara. Bound Bound Banger Management
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Fantasy Hockey podcast. Woo woo woo.
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Sorry, I got excited. Usually I'm the one with the
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crazy woos. I know it's hard.
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It's our first episode of The Summer Guys.
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Wait we did have an episode is true after the Stanley Cup
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playoffs this is our first episode.
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That's crazy. I literally forgot we didn't
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even talk about the Florida Panthers going back-to-back.
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Yeah, I don't even want to talk about it.
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They're such a wagon, like they're so good.
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It's. It's, you know.
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Sad. I mean, I really.
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Who was undefeated against Florida last season?
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Who Who? Josh who?
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You're Montreal Canadians. Let's go.
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Nice, that sounds like cool. Nice.
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Because we actually made the playoffs last year.
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That's crazy if you only got better.
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Yeah, I feel we're just so used to being at the bottom of the
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table and the fact that we made the playoffs is wack.
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Like it didn't even register to me until right now.
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Yeah, honestly, that was awesome.
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I mean, it was a disappointing playoffs for us, but the fact
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that we were there at all was awesome.
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I mean, we're going to be better this year.
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I think so too. I mean, we just got way better.
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But anyway, we're getting off topic already, so.
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It's it's a nice segue. It's a nice segue, is it not?
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Everyone who's listening span like us.
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In the Habs did make some pretty nice offseason acquisitions,
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which brings us to the topic of today's episode.
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We're gonna be going over the top 10 acquisitions by the NHL
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teams over the summer since the offseason basically, and
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effectively there's gonna be part one of our top 10.
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So we're gonna go over 5 of them today.
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No particular order, some bigger than others, of course, but it's
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going to be really cool to see these new players on their new
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teams and the fantasy fact that they're gonna have this season.
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Without further ado, Josh, why don't you start us off with our
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first big offseason acquisition? Yeah.
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And just to be clear, today we're only talking about trades
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and then next week we're going to be diving into a free agent
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signings. So this is specifically top 10
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traits of. The Office, Yeah, Top 10.
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Traffic. We're doing top 10 that there is
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no specific order. I mean, the first we're going to
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talk about is probably the big, the big blockbuster, but no
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specific order for this top ten. And this is gonna be Part 1.
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So we're gonna talk about first five today and then next episode
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we'll get the next 5. And this is also the first part
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of the offseason content you're gonna get from us.
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As of right now, I feel like you can expect almost some weekly
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content and we'll start doing all that short form content and
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stuff too, so stay tuned. Yeah, a lot of exciting stuff to
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come, but let's dive in. Trade number one, which we said,
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no particular order, but this is clearly the biggest trade of the
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offseason. Vegas Golden Knights acquire
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forward Mitch Marner from the Toronto Maple Leafs for forward
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Nicwa. And if you didn't know any of
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the background, this would seem like the most insanely lopsided
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trade ever. But obviously Mariner.
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Was looking at was. Not the goat.
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And. I'm thinking this is going to be
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known as the Nick Wade trade moving forward.
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I think that's what a Toronto fans are praying for.
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Also to note, Vegas then signed Marner to an 8 by 12 million
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contract. Huge.
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Yeah. Did you guys expect more money?
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Um, I think that's pretty reasonable.
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I don't think Toronto was offering him that.
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I mean, I think Toronto just didn't want to sign him unless
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he took a discount. Yeah, because they basically
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wanted him out. So if they were like well keep
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you if you like, take less money.
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So I mean he shouldn't take less money.
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To be fair. No, I should really get a miss
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him. Yeah, no, they're gonna miss him
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a lot. And so let's discuss some
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different fantasy impacts of this trade.
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So we'll start with the Golden Boy, the the main character of
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this trade, Nicwa. I do exactly where you're going
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with that. Yeah, nice, nice.
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Now we'll talk about Mitch Marner and how this is going to
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affect his fantasy value for next year.
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So in my opinion, I mean, also fact, Martin is already an elite
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100 plus point player. I don't see his value changing
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that much. He's going from playing with an
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elite player in Matthews to an elite player in Eichel.
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And I'd say there's actually a big bonus for Mariners that he
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gets to escape the Leafs media and the Leafs fans who hated him
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so much. So that can give him a big
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boost. You know, when you're feeling
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mentally better, you can do even better on the ice.
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So that's all. I don't see much big changes for
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Marner. I mean, let me put it this way.
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I was going to say, I feel like the situation on paper is, is
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similar. But if I'm just thinking going
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at the drafts next year, I got Marner in, we're in a pretty
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deep league, right? So our league is very
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competitive, very deep. I got him at like closer to 212
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last year. So I think this immediately
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bumps him up just over like name value and potential points
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increase. I think the market suits him
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more outside of like the pressure of Toronto.
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But I just feel like it's always risky when you have somebody
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that's has such a high ceiling like Marner and what we're used
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to him doing. When you change the situation, I
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personally always get a little bit scared.
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And I don't know, I just feel like when I'm in the draft
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making a decision between Marner and somebody else, I feel like
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I'd feel safer picking somebody else just because they're not
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going to be on a new team with, you know, new expectations and
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potentially new. I don't know, might just be
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different for him. Maybe have 100 points.
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He's like really good on ice and he hits like 85 points or
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something or 90 points. I mean, that's pretty low.
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I'm shooting. I'm shooting low, obviously, but
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I don't know. I'm just a little bit scared
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that we're not going to get the money that we're used to
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getting. And he still is great for hockey
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and NHL, but like maybe a little less good for fantasy.
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I agree totally, though the one thing I'll say is that he's not
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the guy on the Leafs. Like it's not like they built a
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he's a superstar, but they didn't build around his
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superstardom, if you will. Like it was really revolved
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around Matthews and Marner had I guess, like a little bit more of
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a role than like a Nielander. But still there were so many
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superstars on the Leafs like those three and then to virus
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that I mean, I think that he's already gotten used to being
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kind of like a second dear incredible player.
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So I think that he'll actually complement Eichel quite well.
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Where I think this is interesting is that Stone who
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was really good this year. I think his value takes quite
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the dive because they're both right wings and then he's an
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amazing player himself, but he's not Marner good.
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So I think that Stones value is going to go down and I really
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like whoever is going to play on that left wing of course with
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Eichel and Marner. So chances Stone gets bumped,
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stays on line one with iCal and Marner plays line 2 with whoever
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else turtle. That's not a bad sentiment
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either. Like they could easily just be
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like, yeah, Marr play with her. Like we like what we have with
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Eichel and Stone and the chemistry they already have.
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I'd be possible, very surprised. It's definitely possible, but
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like, I don't know, you don't pay a guy 8 by 12 to put him on
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your second line. In my opinion.
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I always follow the I always follow the the salary and the
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contract. And also stone is like he's the
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captain and he's like a role player guy.
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You know, he's not the type of guy who like needs to be line 1
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to have a big impact. He can be line 2.
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He'll still be power play 1 and he's also like a solid like on
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the PK and stuff like that. So I don't know, I'd be very
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surprised if they don't at least try cycle with Marner.
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I mean, if they try them and then the chemistry is not there,
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then I could see them flipping stone back there.
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But I'd be very surprised if the season doesn't start with the
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Mariner and Michael together. Yeah, but all All in all, I feel
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like this is obviously really, really good for Marner.
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And like all the potential landing spots that he had.
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Vegas is probably one of the more exciting ones.
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So for his fantasy value, like he's still gonna be a super high
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draft pick. I wouldn't be completely
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deterred. Like I know I said, like, you
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know, if push came to shove and I had other options like give me
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like Marner, like Jack Hughes, who who are you taking?
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That's a good one. Actually, I'll take I'll take
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Hughes because of the shots on goal.
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Yeah, the shots and we know what we're expecting from Hughes,
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even though obviously he's pretty injury prone.
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Yeah, like who? Who's a who's 100 point guy that
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you'd be? I get what you're saying though
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with like the it's always scary when someone's in a change of
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scenery, you know? I mean.
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Obviously like what to expect. He can be like, like he could be
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like a rant and you know what I mean?
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Like that's exactly it. Like obviously the difference
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there is that like a SJ had mentioned this like last season
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with Rantanen where it's specifically mid season trades
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where they have the they take the biggest hit.
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You know, so at least this is an offseason.
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Trades have the whole summer to, you know, train together, get
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used to the systems, whatever. But at the end of the day, you
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know, look how look at Nashville last year, right?
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They got a bunch of these name free agents to come.
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They had a whole summer to prepare together and they were
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garbage. So obviously none of them were
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Marner level good. But people were pretty hype
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about the signings in Nashville. You know, there was Stamkos,
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Marshall, Soche. Yeah.
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Exactly so older obviously too so.
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Yeah. Definitely changes a little bit.
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Yeah, but. Yeah, first next year Marner or
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Panarin. I would take Warner, yeah.
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OK, Marner or Matthew Kuchuk. I'm actually I'm I'm saving this
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for we're gonna will eventually do a players to avoid episode
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and is very high on my list. I think he's gonna get offseason
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surgery. He might be out for like the
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first half of the season. Alright, well, that's that's
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different. Jason, if he's missing that much
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time, obviously he's not gonna be in the conversation, but.
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Like even if he gets off the surgery and then comes back,
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like that's someone out. Yeah, I'll take Martin over
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Nylander. OK, so are you taking over
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Hellebuyck like first? You're asking.
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You're asking, I think. This is like a yeah, but that's
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also like a totally league specific thing, like I feel.
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For us rather Marner would never get held back on my team so I'm
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not thinking goalie earlier than like the 15 lbs so.
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Nevertheless, I just wanted we'll move on to the next one.
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Soon I just wanna rent an ad. OK, that one's lost.
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Really. Over random?
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Yeah. You guys hated Rantanen?
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Like I know, but I thought you like Brandon.
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I do, but I am really hyped about this Mary Golden Knights
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thing. So then reference to the second
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round probably. I'd expect him to, yeah.
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Other I think Marner's gonna be late 1st and.
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Yeah, Miner's late 1st, early 2nd.
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Day lost 1 Miner JT. I would take very banger that's
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very least specific. Right in the banger League
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banger. League, I think I'm taking JT.
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I think he's so he I think he might be super underrated after
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how like rough his last like he was last year that he's he's one
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of my guys that I'm like looking for a bounce back.
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I really think that this tremendously boost cycles value
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though. Like that's one thing that.
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We were segmenting this. So that was, yeah, discussing
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Mariner specifically. Now let's discuss how it'll
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affect other Golden Knights on the team.
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So yeah, so Jake were talking about Michael.
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Would be. Huge second round for sure.
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He'd middle. Second round I would.
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In a bangers league with faceoffs, I would take over
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Marner. I could see going first round.
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Yeah, iCal is the centerpiece on that team and he's never really
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like, yes, Sam Reinhart, but Buffalo just did not, could not
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get it together so. Really.
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The farm team for the rest of the NHL.
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And they always will be. But at this point, I think I'd
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like echoes gonna have an amazing year.
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Like he was already so good and now you're adding like Marner,
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who's brought really good production out of Matthews for
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the whole time they played together.
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So I'm really excited for him. I also want to kind of look at
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the leaves because obviously the exciting part of it.
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We joked that Nick law trade but no this is there is some.
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Person like before we move to the leaves, I wanna say for the
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Golden Knights, other than Ikel, there was like we mentioned,
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whoever is gonna play line one, assuming medical and Martina are
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there, it's gonna be either Barbashev or Dorfen V on that
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line ones, whichever one of them gets it.
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That's huge, right? For even strength And then for
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power play one. What's really interesting is
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you've got your locks. It's gonna be Ichel, Marner,
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Theodore and Stone. But that last spot, is it going
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to be Hurdle or is it gonna be Durfey of that keeps that power
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play? One spot which everyone gets
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bumped off is losing a ton of value.
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Yeah, I mean, we don't have to guess right now because come
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season we'll have a better idea of like, you know, how the line
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rushes look and everything, but never does keep that spot.
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Like it was going to be a sneaky this.
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Year I was gonna say I could like Dorothy was gonna be one of
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my like sneaky guys. Now I'm a bit worried with the
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Mariner one, but honestly I could see him keeping the spot
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over hurdle. I think they really like him as
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like that trigger guy on the right side and he's like, he was
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really good at it last year. Yeah, it's the face offs.
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That's interesting, right? I mean, that's where Hurdle has
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a huge. He's one of the best in the
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league. That specifically.
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Was gonna take our is gonna take face offs.
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Are they like having people like having two face off guys in case
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he gets like pulled from the circle?
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Yeah, but more could take a face off.
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There's a right wing. He's a righty rather.
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I guess it depends where we're on the ice.
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The face off is. Now it'll be very interesting to
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see if you know, if you have a hunch about one of them over the
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other, then I would go for it because like if you snipe the
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correct one, that's gonna be a really value pick.
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Huge. Yeah, I.
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Agree, but also I feel that spot is just gonna be up for grabs
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throughout the season, like when they go through slumps and
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whatever, so I wouldn't draft specifically on that.
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You know, that's being the tipping point.
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Obviously really good like to start the year, but if like I'm
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not banking on that to remain the same for the rest of the
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season. You know what?
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I. Mean.
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Yeah, that's fair. Also, Stone could also get
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injured and both of them could end up on Power Play 1.
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So when Stone gets injured? Yeah, exactly.
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When not. In just let's look at the leaves
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for a second and then we'll move on to the next one.
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And I think that pretty much this is going to negatively
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affect most players except maybe Nylander could just have like an
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even bigger role than he's had. And I mean, look, not to say
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that Mantias Mitchelli is Marner, but if he actually does
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play with Matthews currently he's with NYS and Matthews on
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line one that's kind of fun. It's been interesting
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opportunity for him. Yeah, I like Nylander.
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I think his spots on the team, like he became, I always viewed
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it as Matthew, He's the guy, one guy, and Martina was #2 so now I
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feel like Neil Andrews, the number two guy after Matthews.
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So that's really big. Another guy who gets a big boost
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from this is actually Morgan Riley, because now Mariner
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leaves that open spot, spot on power play 1.
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I think Riley gets it back. I don't think they're gonna put
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like Michelle or something and keep the five.
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Forward yell. That's it though.
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So The thing is like I think Riley gets the first shot at the
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power play one, which is a huge boost, but also the fact that he
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was demoted last year means that if he doesn't do well, he can
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easily get demoted again. And the guys knocking on the
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door are either OEL or if they want to try the five forwards,
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they can put Michelle here or even like McMahon or something.
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Am I alone in thinking that Toronto's probably going to put
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Nylander and Matthews and just try to go like OP line 1 again
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and then JT will probably play with like Michelli or Nice?
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I, I think noise is going to be stapled to Matthews.
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That's the one I'm more certain of as a pair on the first line.
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And I could see Nylander being with them as like a crazy first
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line. Yeah, but but I'm pretty certain
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Matthews and Myers are gonna be the the two that are for sure
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together and I think pushing back and forth.
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I think Noise is a Goodyear, and not necessarily because Marner
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left. I just think he's going to have
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a good year. He's going to have to play a
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bigger offensive role so. No, he's sick.
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He was also on my breakouts. Great for bangers.
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Yeah, yeah, like the least low key breakouts to come out for
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next year. I mean, anyone who watched the
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playoffs knows that he's gonna be insane.
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Yeah, absolutely. Should we move on to the next
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one? Let's do it.
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Alright, a bit a bit less exciting on the on the next one
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after that. What do you mean danger?
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This is even more exciting. Yeah, I mean, it's exciting for
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house fans that he's no longer in the East, but Anaheim Ducks,
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a choir forward Chris Kreider and a fourth rounder in 25 from
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the New York Rangers for Kerry Terrence and a third rounder in
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2025. Pretty much Chris Kreider for
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some pics. I really, I mean, I was a big
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fan of the Ducks this year and I'm going to continue being a
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big fan of the Ducks. I I actually really do like this
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acquisition for them and I like this landing spot for him.
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He's the exact veteran, veteran presence that they needed in
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order to like take things to the next level.
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And I'm pretty excited to see what they can do this year.
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I think they could be a fringe playoff team and there's a.
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Huge Emilio Estevez fan. Yeah, exactly.
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I'm just I'm not shocked at all the jerky has this opinion, but
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I also think like they're gonna be pushing for a playoff spot.
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I feel like they're kind of like on the come up where they're
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like a year behind the Habs, you know, like I feel like where we
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were in our journey, like they are where we were last year,
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this year. And I think quitters, honestly,
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like probably one of the better players that they could have
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gone for what they need because they have a lot of young talent,
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obviously got rid of some young talent as well.
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So we'll keep that in mind. But I think traders gonna fit
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really well on this squad. I think the main question
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honestly is, is the power play? Like because Anaheim power play
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had spurts last year where they were actually pretty viable and
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we saw a lot of guys like be good for fantasy.
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Like we saw the Jonathan Lacombe like breakout.
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What about what some respect on his name?
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For a former for. Well, we gonna say, did you know
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that he used to be a a forward and.
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Defenseman. Never before has that been
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broken out on a podcast, but I I just feel like now they'll be
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able to, you know, stack that P1 even more and get some like
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veteran presence there. And I wouldn't be surprised if
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creditor is actually pretty pretty because he's the net
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front guy, right? He's yeah, no, he'll tip those,
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block the goalie. So I feel like that's a
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different element to their power play that they didn't have
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previously. And obviously I can't expect him
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to produce like he did on the Rangers, but I still feel like
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maybe he might be sneaky. Like, I feel like it's just
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going to crash down this year and there's gonna be a lot of
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guys that go ahead of him that shouldn't.
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That's kind of my take. Yeah, I don't think you can
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expect like anywhere near his like best years, you know, like
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2 years ago and four years ago he had like 75 points, 18 power
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play goals. Like you're not you're not
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getting that. The fact is, as much as I'm hype
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about the Ducks as much as you guys are, I think they're doing
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a really good job in their rebuild.
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And like you said, like kind of like a year, like they're like
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the haves a year removed so much.
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And I love the Habs rebuild, so I really like what they're
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doing. But the fact is there's no way
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the Ducks power play as good as the Rangers one was when Crider
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was killing it. You know, that power play was a
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Crider, Panarin, Fox, Savannah, Jad and like I think it was
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Kojak is the fifth guy like that power play was, you know, they
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had it down to a T. It was the same power play unit
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for for a few years there. So I don't think I don't think
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ducks are gonna be anywhere near that.
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They also have done a split power play for the past few
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years. Yep.
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So he's gonna lose some power play time in general.
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So I don't think he's definitely not gonna be as good as he was
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two years ago when he was like his like one of his best seasons
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on the Rangers. This past season, he had a
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really rough year and he was dealing with an injury.
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So he should be better than he was this past year.
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But I would expect, you know, take the average of last year
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and the year before that and put that together.
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And that's, that's my. Prediction Think you break 70.
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I don't. You know what about 60?
19:10
The thing is that the Ducks are going to be like, they're an
19:12
exciting team, but they're. Like a lot of layoff.
19:14
But that's the thing, I think they have a lot of mouse to
19:17
feed. Like they have a lot of fun guys
19:18
who are gonna be doing more of the scoring.
19:21
He's like a veteran guy. He's coming.
19:22
But you can get along together guys.
19:25
He could, but I just don't see him as being like one of the
19:27
main guys. Like he can hit in the 60.
19:29
I think he can hit 60 maybe but but that's like my.
19:32
Ceiling I would probably avoid him in a draft to be honest
19:35
because you're right there are a lot of mouths to feed.
19:36
But also look at the second line right now would probably be
19:39
Crowder, Mctavish, Grandland like this is and calories on the
19:42
first line like this isn't really a young team anymore like
19:46
they. Just have a few veterans that
19:47
really round out the squad pretty well.
19:49
But I know they look like a young team in the rebuild, but I
19:52
think that there are more like serious compete now team.
19:56
Obviously it's a pretty jump, big jump to say that they're
19:58
going to be contenders in the playoffs, but I think they could
20:01
definitely make the playoffs. Yeah.
20:03
The thing is, we might not even be in the top 6.
20:05
Like here, let me name you 6 guys who like could be in the
20:08
top six. Overrider, Line 1, Leo Carlson,
20:11
Cutter, Godier Treatery, OK, something like that, that all
20:13
three of those guys definitely top six.
20:15
Then line 2 you've got Mctavish, Vetrano and Granlund or Cologne.
20:19
You know, pretty much, yeah. So he's not even gonna be like
20:23
guaranteed a top two line spot and he's not even guaranteed
20:27
exactly 1. But like we said, we they split
20:28
it. So you know, it'll be kind of
20:30
whatever you call that probably 1.5 or or like whatever.
20:33
But but yeah, so I'm not that hype about Crider, to be honest.
20:36
This this year, I think he's it was a good real life move.
20:38
But fantasy wise, I don't think he's that exciting.
20:41
Would you rather have Crider or Mark Stone?
20:46
Mark Stone. Stone.
20:47
OK, that was pretty low. I mean.
20:51
They do one interesting one and then.
20:53
Like, yeah. No one went.
20:54
To the Rangers, Ryan Hartman or no horse rider, No Crider, Jake
21:01
Neighbors. That's a good one.
21:04
I like neighbors. I take neighbors.
21:06
Yeah, he's. A good thing.
21:07
OK, OK. Good segue into the Rangers,
21:09
Lafreniere or Crider? Laugh is another guy who's on my
21:12
breakout list. Yeah, this is actually he's the
21:15
biggest beneficiary I think of this trade probably assuming.
21:20
Well, pretty much the big question is who's gonna take the
21:23
who's gonna take the power play one spot, right?
21:24
Is it just like, is it just JT Miller came in, critters out and
21:28
then Trocheck gets his spot back, or is that Trocheck spot
21:31
gonna go to a guy like Lafreniere?
21:32
Like Rangers, they fired Violette, so now they don't have
21:36
a guy who hates young players anymore.
21:38
Like Laugh has shown that he can be a good player in this league.
21:41
I think they're gonna give him a shot over Trocheck and I think
21:44
he's gonna run with it. I like Lafreniere a lot as a
21:47
breakout pick this year. Yeah, he's gonna be.
21:49
I think his ADP will reflect up. Yeah, he won't be like a steel
21:53
late in drops anymore. Coolly, too.
21:55
I mean, right now Cooley's probably the obvious second line
21:59
left wing. Yeah, I love Grey with Zibanejad
22:01
and Miller like that can work. They don't have a deep team at
22:05
all. So I actually think that the
22:07
Crider moving is just going to boost the value of these Rangers
22:10
players. So I would be pretty hyped on
22:12
the Rangers, not as a team, but as like.
22:14
A lot of fantasy assets, yeah. What about, what do you guys
22:17
think, Trocheck? Then, if you guys kind of agree
22:19
with the laugh being probably one that means Trocheck power
22:21
play too. And also like who's you know, if
22:24
it's Miller into Banerji taking line 1 and line 2 centre, does
22:27
that bump project to line 3 centre?
22:30
Last year, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he's
22:33
the one that you know, has the worst the worst outcome out of
22:37
all of this. But we'll have to wait and see.
22:38
But whoever is on the P2 obviously has a significant like
22:42
I'd be more worried if we step manager got bumped off for his
22:46
value then Trochez project has so many other things that he.
22:49
Does. Sustains like his fantasy value
22:53
but like imagine if he gets bumped off people one like he's
22:55
cooked. 100%. And Zip could play right wing
22:58
too, so there is that. Yeah, that's true.
23:00
All right, let's move on to the next one.
23:02
This is a fun one. The Utah Mammoth knew no longer
23:07
the Utah, but they have a name now, the Utah Mammoth.
23:10
They acquire forward Gigi Peterka from Buffalo Sabres for
23:13
defenseman Michael Kesselring and forward Josh Done.
23:16
So first I want to give a big Congrats to JJ for escaping the
23:19
train wreck that is the Buffalo Sabres.
23:21
Exactly. I'm thinking, can I still call
23:23
them the Utah? Is that because I like doing?
23:25
Yeah, yeah. OK.
23:27
My heart always do the outlaws. Are going to win the Stanley Cup
23:30
apparently now since they just acquired a Buffalo Sabre player.
23:33
So Congrats on future Stanley Cup.
23:35
Champion. They're my dark horse team for
23:37
this year. Actually they remind me of like
23:40
Seattle, that like 2 years ago where Seattle was like on
23:43
nobody's radar and then they ended up being good.
23:46
No, Seattle. Never got cooked remember like 2
23:48
years ago? When no, I know.
23:50
You're saying that I drafted Vince Dunn?
23:52
He was like great value. Yeah, Vendor, I'm way more hype
23:56
on this Utah team than than than that Seattle team like 2 years
24:00
ago. They have actually some young
24:02
talent that's exciting to watch. They don't have 4 second lines
24:05
or like 1. But I think this is great for
24:10
Patrick's value. I think the biggest thing that
24:11
I'm gonna be paying attention to is this shot volume.
24:14
But they paid him a decent amount of money to go play
24:16
there. And I just feel like he's gonna
24:18
be like, you know, unlock new scenery.
24:20
He can finally like just be himself and play hockey.
24:22
And I feel like it'll be really good situation for him.
24:25
I'm really excited about this P1 for for for the Utah.
24:29
Yeah, So, yeah, same agree with Peterka.
24:31
Like anyone leaving Buffalo to me is is just a huge, huge bump
24:35
just mentally you don't have to deal with that, you know,
24:37
organization and also always follow the money.
24:41
So they paid him 7.7 mil AAV. I think it was seven years or it
24:46
might have been, I'm not sure. But but yeah, they they paid him
24:48
a massive salary. They're clearly very hype on
24:50
him. He's gonna have a great year.
24:53
But yeah, let's talk about how it's gonna affect the other
24:55
mammoths or other mammoths. I don't know if the mammoths
24:59
Mami exactly. You know, just just a quick
25:03
thing on this. Before I knew like what their
25:05
logo was, I kept seeing like different players going to sign
25:10
to this team. And I thought it was like some
25:11
back alley cage L team. And I'm like, well, why didn't
25:14
these players keep leaving the NHL?
25:15
And then I saw Peterka. I was like, OK, wait, hold on,
25:18
let me look at this. So can I just give you, would
25:21
you rather real quick? Like would you rather over
25:23
particular recovery 3 Oh. Wait, what you say over Gabe
25:29
Vilardi? Yeah, Patrick Vilardi.
25:31
Vilardi. I think Vilardi too.
25:33
I thought for some reason my mind Peterka was this like guy
25:36
who was also solid bangers but then I went and looked at his
25:38
stats and he was like no he doesn't .3 shots and no hits.
25:41
So like you're getting him for pure points.
25:43
Validity is a pure points and between the two I think.
25:46
I think Winnipeg's power play and Velardi on line one power
25:48
play 1. Is OK two more real quick
25:50
Velardi or Quinton Byfield? Wait, now we're off Peterka
25:54
completely. Now it's just the velocity.
25:58
Yeah, sorry, I actually I didn't even hear you say Belardi like
26:01
like Peterka or Bayfield. I would go by field.
26:04
I think Bayfields are huge breakout candidate.
26:07
He looks so great. Playoffs.
26:08
Like what you guys? I have like a list on my phone
26:12
of guys like we're gonna. Break out, you've heard before.
26:16
You know, some of these guys like even though they're
26:18
obvious, they can slide through the cracks of it.
26:20
So I'm sure I have some more some more obscure ones you guys
26:23
don't know about. OK, but they're Drake Batherson.
26:26
I like Batherson and. Badgers.
26:29
I could see Patricia getting more points, but I think
26:31
Batherson bangs is gonna make up for any difference.
26:34
So, so the only thing I would say with Peterka, I really feel
26:36
as if no, you had three. I feel as if I'm not.
26:40
No, no bonus, no, I'm not answering this.
26:42
OK, So I feel as if with Peterka, the truth is that even
26:46
though the Buffalo leaving Buffalo is going to take a load
26:50
off his shoulders and like go into Utah, nice young team.
26:54
I think that they're going to do well.
26:56
I actually don't know how much better he's going to do right.
26:59
He had one really good year last year.
27:01
I mean, I know he's young makes sense that that's his breakout
27:04
year. But I think we're getting a
27:06
little ahead of ourselves to say that he's gonna be really good
27:10
at listen, I'd happily draft him if the values there.
27:13
I think he is going to have a decent season.
27:15
But right last year he had 68 points and 77 games.
27:19
Like I don't think that's his ceiling this year, but I think
27:22
that that similar is similar vibe is going to be replicated.
27:26
I think he can break something. I can see him break 70 and I
27:29
wouldn't be surprised if you got a point.
27:31
Same type of thing. The the main question for me is
27:33
does he break three shots a game?
27:36
Like, does he get enough ice time and critical minutes and is
27:39
he the guy that's going to be a shot taker on the team?
27:42
It just happens to be colour and gender.
27:43
Are those shooters? Yes, but let's say if he plays
27:47
with Nick Schmaltz, like someone's gotta shoot the puck,
27:50
like Nick Schmaltz is not true, they're gonna be playing.
27:53
Please. Like rock paper scissor for
27:55
like. It's gonna be like.
27:56
To shoot like. You know what a movie I watched
27:59
recently? Like, you know, The Longest Yard
28:00
with Adam Sandler, of course, you know that play where they're
28:03
like all like like ladder rolling, like the the ball.
28:06
Yeah, yeah. Like no one like another player.
28:10
Like yeah, exactly. That's gonna be like Schmaltz
28:12
and Peterka. You just back and forth, no one
28:15
taking a shot. Absolutely, Yeah.
28:20
No, totally though. It's like they just both don't
28:22
shoot a lot. So I actually think that his
28:24
volume may go up, but I'm not that high.
28:27
Yeah, probably, unless high on him than.
28:29
You look, when I say, when I say I'm high on him, I think he's
28:31
gonna be let's say let's put him out like .9 points per game, 2.3
28:34
shots. You know, that's the guy I'm
28:35
happy to have on my team. But like, yeah, you're not
28:38
picking him like. Super highly, but just like
28:40
he'll be in the double digit rounds.
28:42
Like just reminds me of Buchnevich a little bit.
28:45
Like maybe slightly better, but same type of guy.
28:48
Yeah, exactly. And that's.
28:49
On a good team like doesn't have the most shot volume, but no is
28:52
known to be like somewhat of a shooter and always hovers like
28:55
near a point per game. Yeah, and that's quickly bang
28:58
out what you guys think who gets bumped off power play one for
29:01
Peterka. So the the locks are Keller,
29:03
Guenther, Sergachev, let's say Peterka jumps on so the
29:07
Schmeltzer, Cooley get that 5th. Spot.
29:10
I mean, I think Cooley's gonna be insane this year, actually.
29:13
So like, I think police definitely got a spot.
29:15
It's a role question though, because talent wise you want
29:18
Cooley there, but does it make more sense for Schmaltz either
29:22
or somebody else? I don't know.
29:24
I feel like it'll just depend. But I I think Cooley, because
29:28
we've seen it this year, unless they really want to bank on
29:30
their young talent this next year.
29:32
Yeah, I think, I think by this time next year we're talking
29:35
about Cooley as the best player on their team.
29:37
I mean that's crazy over guenther and colour.
29:40
I I think so, no. OK, Kelly Keller, maybe not.
29:43
He's the captain and everything. He's got more of the veteran
29:45
presence, but like, he's going to be the most skilled guy.
29:47
Like I think it's like a Jack. Yeah, I think it could be like a
29:50
Jack Hughes breakout. Your type here for.
29:52
Him, he only tough thing is that there's a lot of mouse to feed
29:55
here and he might like last season we saw him.
29:57
He was the first guy to get cut from power play 1.
30:00
He even got cut for power from power play one for Barrett
30:02
Hayton for like some stretches of the year, you know, So they
30:05
seem to like schmaltz on power play one a lot.
30:07
It's going to be one of them too, who gets who gets dropped
30:09
down and that's a big hit even as if Kelly plays amazing, even
30:12
strength, like not getting that power play time.
30:14
It's just a big hit to value. So it really depends which one
30:17
you think. If you think he's getting that
30:19
power play time, then I think he's gonna be a great breakout
30:22
for this year. But if you think he's the odd
30:23
man out then I would avoid. I want to call you on my team
30:26
this year, but it is gonna be interesting to see how to play
30:29
Shakes. Down.
30:29
So let's quickly talk about the Sabre side of this trade.
30:32
I'll be I'll be really quick about it.
30:34
Particularly leaving frees up a spot on the power play.
30:36
The locks are Thompson, Norris, Dalene and Zucker in my opinion,
30:40
so I think the last spot is going to be either Tuck or Quinn
30:43
and I'm leaning towards Quinn since the coach really didn't
30:45
seem to want Tuck on power play one last year even when Peterka
30:47
was injured. I don't.
30:48
Know he got treated so yeah, I feel like there are kind of done
30:52
with it, which sucks because he's like a Buffalo native and
30:54
they were so hyped to get him after the ICO trade.
30:56
But I think it's time in Buffalo as like a main piece is kind of
31:00
over. So do you like, do you like
31:02
Quinn as like a guy who's gonna boost in value by getting that
31:04
Power Play 1? Spot.
31:05
I mean, we'll have to see how the power play shakes up closer
31:07
to the season. But Benson, too.
31:09
Kulik. Yeah, that's true.
31:11
They're all young guys who was on the P1 is gonna have
31:13
definitely the most value. I I like Quinn this next year.
31:16
Yeah, and then just talking about quickly, the two players
31:19
went the other way, so don't know that much to talk about.
31:21
He's a young guy, he's gonna have a chance to make it, but I
31:24
don't think he's relevant this year.
31:25
But Kesselring I found was interesting where he actually
31:28
was worth holding at certain times of last year at the very
31:30
least, like streaming. He was the number two Deon Utah
31:33
behind Sergachev. So when searched went down, he
31:35
took over the power play and he was really solid at Pimm's.
31:38
But him going to Buffalo just absolutely tanks his value and
31:40
makes him someone I would never take on my team because now he's
31:43
the 4th defenseman on that team. There's Daleen, Power and Byram
31:47
ahead of him, so I think he's just cooked.
31:49
There decor is actually gonna be crazy.
31:51
As I think they're trying to trade my room though like I
31:53
don't. Yeah, yeah.
31:54
But I think it's gonna be next. Year, yeah, but either way, I
31:56
just feel like he's too buried now.
31:58
It's all. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
32:00
Sure. Next, we've got Philadelphia
32:03
Flyers acquired Trevor Zagreus from Anaheim for Ryan Paling a
32:06
second and a fourth. So I think this is going to be
32:10
interesting for. Chris, I know when the Habs were
32:14
rumored to get him, but yeah, I mean, he was like the next big
32:17
thing. He was on the cover of NHL, like
32:19
all these things, and then it just all fell apart.
32:22
Yeah, I think injuries was a big part of it.
32:25
I don't really know. I don't really know why he just
32:28
went sort of struggling out of after having such like a hot
32:30
start to his career. But I think the changes going to
32:33
be really good for him. I think getting to reunite with
32:35
the Drysdale, I know they're really close, so that's going to
32:38
be really nice. He's going to get access to
32:39
power, play one with some really good players like Mitch above
32:41
Connect any tip it and Drysdale. And the biggest thing that makes
32:45
him not untouchable is that Tortorella is gone.
32:49
Seriously, we could draft Philadelphia Flyers again.
32:52
I actually, I actually like the Flyers overall.
32:54
Like I think gonna be. Different talent, definitely.
32:57
Really do. Am I gonna drive Zigra's?
32:58
Probably not though. No, because he has like no
33:01
peripherals and. I could see taking him in like
33:03
the last round. Yeah, the last couple rounds and
33:06
I feel like you wait to see how early in the season is
33:08
deployment is and like how he's doing and if it looks
33:10
interesting, you keep him. If not, like you cut and then
33:12
he'll probably be like worthy of a stream throughout the season.
33:15
But I don't think he's gonna have anything more than that.
33:17
Like he was already basically just a stream this year so.
33:20
Yeah, shallow league, like avoid him completely and a deep
33:23
league, I isn't think like he's worth anything more than the
33:27
last two rounds. It's just that once you get to
33:30
like the last let's say like 6 rounds of a deep draft, you
33:32
know, our draft is what like 2022 rounds.
33:35
So once you get to the last 6 picks, even like last like 8 or
33:38
something, you're just throwing darts, right and trying to hope
33:40
like that you hit. So he's the type of guy that has
33:42
that upside. You know, he's done it before,
33:44
he's getting this new scenery. There's a chance he just become
33:47
someone that you really happy on your team.
33:48
So that's the kind of guys I'm aiming for late in the draft.
33:50
Just anybody that has good deployment, it's young like you
33:53
feel like just is a dart worth throwing and I and I get it.
33:55
So it just depends on the shape of your team and everything.
33:58
Yeah, and if you're. Having just have like a crazy,
34:01
yeah, exactly like crazy chemistry with Michael, Like who
34:03
knows? He's a skilled player.
34:04
He's just had a pretty rough since his rookie year, sophomore
34:08
season, you just gone downhill. So, yeah, yeah.
34:12
Alright, I think that's good for that one.
34:14
And lastly for this for this Part 1.
34:17
So the 5th trade we're gonna talk about, Vancouver Canucks
34:19
acquire Evander Kane from the Oilers for a fourth round pick.
34:24
OK, like honestly, I, I. Think we're native this.
34:27
Back home. No, no, this is such a disaster.
34:29
Like I feel bad for the Canucks fans.
34:31
Like it's just like, OK, he's he wore a really cool suit to the
34:37
press conference and that's about all the cool things I have
34:41
to say about this. This is one of those cases
34:45
where, you know, there's so many times where we have players who
34:48
are like great real life, terrible fantasy.
34:50
I think he's like, not terrible real life, but like not what
34:53
they needed. But he's still great in fantasy
34:55
bangers. You know, we'll see how.
34:57
He really think? We'll see how his body holds up.
34:59
He's he's turning 34 and he just came off like 6.
35:02
So many surgeries. The show dog, it's, it's like 2
35:07
torn hip, hip adductor muscles, 2 hernias and two lower AB
35:10
muscles. So yeah, his whole body is, you
35:12
know. Yeah, he went through it.
35:14
Yeah, I think his skill days are behind him really.
35:17
Like he was OK two years ago on Edmonton, but really was not
35:21
that guy. And now I just think he's gonna
35:24
be decoded. Joshua 2.0.
35:26
Gosh, had a great year. Two years.
35:28
I don't think he's gonna be as good as Dakota Dog.
35:30
Yeah. Really.
35:32
The good Josh was hitting like over 5A game like when he.
35:34
Was different dial, I guess I mean just like insofar as like
35:38
penalty minutes and stuff like that.
35:40
Like look, even though like Dakota Joshua was good and
35:43
actually I think he could be pretty decent own in a bangers
35:46
league, especially on the Leafs. Nevertheless, like Evander, Kane
35:50
was the guy for fantasies like a former third round.
35:52
Pick. Those days are long gone.
35:54
The issue, the issue is you can take him guy when you're
35:58
actually valuable to the team because they're like, OK, he
36:01
gets Pimms, but he's getting 80 points when you're a third liner
36:06
and or like, you know, handicapping your team a lot
36:10
with Pimms, like they don't want you on the ice anymore.
36:12
You know what I mean? OK, but is there any shot that
36:14
he breaks Tarpley one? I think there definitely is a
36:17
shot. No, I think they're gonna be so
36:20
bad though. There's way more name value than
36:22
actual value, and he's not gonna be someone that I want to draft.
36:27
I, I think they're, they're like, I feel bad for Canucks
36:29
fans. Like I think this would.
36:30
Be a really bad like I think like they're they're gonna be in
36:33
the running for McKenna. Yeah, no, they're not gonna be
36:36
good. But I will say I would be happy
36:39
to grab. Came late in my draft.
36:40
I think he's gonna be really great in bangers.
36:42
Like he could, really. Great.
36:43
He's great value. He could be a double, double and
36:46
that's always valuable. I just don't think the points
36:48
are gonna be there and I just feel like it would be too
36:51
inconsistent. Obviously late in the draft,
36:54
like anybody is worth taking because there's always a chance.
36:56
But that's that's what I have to say.
36:58
I don't think, I don't think it affects anybody.
37:00
It's already in the. Canucks, I would rather let like
37:03
the Canucks fan in your league, just just take him and just put
37:06
your mind at ease in points league, no way.
37:08
But in a bangers, like I see what you mean, Josh, like it's
37:10
around 1516 and you're kind of torn between if you guys like
37:13
you could do worse, but it's like, I don't love it.
37:16
And I just think Vancouver is in such a bad place.
37:18
Yeah, I just see him as a type of guy who like just randomly
37:20
sticks around your roster all year just because he's been
37:22
putting up like solid bangers. So you just always have other
37:25
guys who are like not doing anything that you cut over him
37:28
and then he just kind of sticks. Around the question marks, the
37:30
injuries, if he's passed it then then that'd be cool, but
37:34
otherwise I don't know. I'm I'm erring on the side of
37:37
caution with him. Even attractive.
37:39
I finished the season in Vancouver, the way out somehow.
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I could see that. All right, that wraps up Part 1
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of the trades episode for the offseason.
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Thank you to everybody for listening.
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If you like what you hear, what you're probably did because
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we're cool, take it away, Josh. I'm gonna bound bound bang your
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management fantasy hockey podcast.
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Woo woo woo. They're woo you too.
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You took the air back. Yeah.