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Huge Mollie Tibbetts reward offered to 'shake the tree' in search for missing Iowa college student · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph. A
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Speaker 1: gorgeous young twenty year old Iowa college student, Molly Tibbitts
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Speaker 1: disappears her family, distraught and begging for your help. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours, new evidence emerges that seemingly cracks wide
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Speaker 1: open the working theory as to where is Molly Tibbots.
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Speaker 1: We are taking your calls at nine zero nine to
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Speaker 1: Crime nine zero nine four nine two seven four six three.
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Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. This is what we know Molly Tibbots.
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Speaker 1: At first, we were told was out for a jog
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Speaker 1: and she never returned at the get go, that scenario
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Speaker 1: didn't seem to fall into place, because later we hear
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Speaker 1: that she was up late working on homework for her computer.
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Speaker 1: We also learned that the red T shirt she was
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Speaker 1: given by her daycare where she's a counselor, to where
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Speaker 1: the next day on a field trip, was missing, suggesting
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Speaker 1: she had been home the previous night, had gotten ready
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Speaker 1: for work the next day, putting on her counselor shirt,
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Speaker 1: and then was taken. Because the shirt is missing, so
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Speaker 1: many details emerging right now. First and foremost, Lee Egan
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Speaker 1: joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Lee. A
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Speaker 1: pig farmer, A pig farmer has been questioned by the FBI,
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Speaker 1: not once, but twice. You know, it always concerns me
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Speaker 1: when they circle back to you. All right, they circle
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Speaker 1: back and Lee, tell me if this is true? I
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Speaker 1: have heard reports the pig farmer who lives down the
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Speaker 1: road from where Molly was last seen is refusing a polygraph.
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Speaker 1: Is that truly? Yes, that is true, Nancy. They asked
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Speaker 1: him last Thursday to take a test and he openly
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Speaker 1: admitted that he refused that he doesn't want to take it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the so called hog farmer, Wayne Cheney, who lives
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Speaker 1: down the street from where Molly was last seen. Here
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Speaker 1: he is speaking of w h O thirteen TV. Listen,
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Speaker 1: what the what has it been like? Uh? These last
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Speaker 1: you know, a few weeks. Uh take me through what
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Speaker 1: the community has been going through, what you've been seeing
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Speaker 1: the activity. I haven't really seen much syral I don't
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Speaker 1: know what's going on. I mean, I have no idea
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Speaker 1: what they're doing. It's just a bad deal. What's been
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Speaker 1: the I guess the hardest part, says I can't find her? Um,
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Speaker 1: how does that that's been impacting you even though you
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Speaker 1: don't even know you know the person? Right? No, but
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Speaker 1: I don't know her? Yeah? Um? What's that like? Not
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Speaker 1: knowing someone being frustrating about their situation? Oh? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's just a bad deal. Um, you had said, you know,
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Speaker 1: I mean we've heard different people, I mean all people
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Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, people out here, um at at hog Farms
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Speaker 1: that that own you know, different properties, please come in
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Speaker 1: and going through things? What was the situation like for
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Speaker 1: you here? And how they kind of approached everything? Oh?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Um, we're wasting our time. I'm done.
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Speaker 1: You said, the FBI took you down to the fire station, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess and FBO. I don't know who
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Speaker 1: them two guys were, but they took me to the
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Speaker 1: fire station Tuesday and they asked this question me a
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Speaker 1: couple for a couple of hours. They questioned me just
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Speaker 1: about like what you maybe you're at, like what you
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Speaker 1: saw out here or actually like where you've been or
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Speaker 1: I mean, weird, what was that? What? What kind of questions?
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Speaker 1: I don't even remember what they asked me. It was
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Speaker 1: a waste of my time. I know that. Did you
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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, it can't be an easy situation,
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Speaker 1: right the police, they say they're doing their job and
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Speaker 1: question but does it unfortunately make I mean like you
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Speaker 1: feel like they're second guessing you as a president here? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And were the questions that made you feel like, hey, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait a second, am I the one being questioned? And
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Speaker 1: why is that? I don't know. It was just a
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Speaker 1: waste of time, I thought, Well, and that was on Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: It took you into Brooklyn, I guess. Huh. Um? And
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Speaker 1: so how do you feel like they should have been,
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Speaker 1: you know, spending their time? No, I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: really don't know. Um. Have you seen activity at the
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Speaker 1: hog farms across the road? Um? And what about you
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Speaker 1: know when I mean you've made a comment. What did
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Speaker 1: you told the FBI two to get away or the
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Speaker 1: people that came and took you down to the station
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Speaker 1: just to go away or something? And they said they
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Speaker 1: had some kind of snide comment. I don't know. I'm done.
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Speaker 1: I'm done, all right? Um? Is the community been really
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Speaker 1: upset about all this? That was local hog farmer Wayne Cheney.
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Speaker 1: Now he was speaking to w a oh thirt TV
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Speaker 1: reporter justin surrency right then, And I'm gonna go switching
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Speaker 1: from Lee Egan with crime Online dot Com joining me
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Speaker 1: also Ashley Wilcott, judge and founder of child crime watch
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert and author, quickly
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Speaker 1: to Susan Constantine, body language and speech experts specializing in
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Speaker 1: detecting lies. You know what, a girl is missing, possibly dead,
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Speaker 1: And to keep saying over and over, it's a waste
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Speaker 1: of time, It's a waste time with that flat affect.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're the expert, Susan Constantine, but frankly, no
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Speaker 1: stone should be left unturned. He to just keep saying
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Speaker 1: it's a waste of time, waste of time. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he's just not very articulate, but that I don't
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Speaker 1: think that's a good message to send now, And you're right,
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Speaker 1: Nancy too, And it's and you talk. Listen to him
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Speaker 1: when he's talking, he's talking about how it's affecting himself.
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Speaker 1: He's not at all concerned about what happened to the victim.
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Speaker 1: And the other thing is that we notice, in addition
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Speaker 1: to the low affect is that he has this increased
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Speaker 1: anxiety which is causing all these physiological responses of itching
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Speaker 1: the ears, to adjusting the glasses, to stroking his hair,
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Speaker 1: to you know, um crossing his arms on crossing it.
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Speaker 1: And so what the happens is that when when you're
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Speaker 1: under anxiety, it increases blood flow and causes irritation. Jos Cavaliers.
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Speaker 1: Those are all deceptive indicators. Um, so that it really
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Speaker 1: does concern me. We are talking about a local hug
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Speaker 1: farmer that lives down the street from where Molly was
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Speaker 1: last seen. This is breaking news. Now we are learning
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Speaker 1: that Molly's mother is saying, contrary to what we've been
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Speaker 1: told by authorities, both of those red shirts have been
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Speaker 1: found to ask she Willcott juvenile judge, lawyer, founder of
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Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. That is very significant because
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Speaker 1: that blows out, blows one theory straight out of the water.
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Speaker 1: That is very significant because now it means there's not
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Speaker 1: a missing red shirt in the timeline, right, it's a
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Speaker 1: it's exactly affecting the timeline of when she might have
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Speaker 1: disappeared or did disappear. I should say. The thing I
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Speaker 1: want to note though, is the mother then said Hey,
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Speaker 1: there might have been a third shirt. This young lady
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Speaker 1: had no routine other than going to work. She had
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Speaker 1: two homes, her boyfriend's home her mother's home where she
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Speaker 1: basically kept things. Sometimes she slept at one house, sometimes
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Speaker 1: the other. So it's very difficult in this case to
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Speaker 1: establish a timeline. Two red shirts effects that timeline. Now
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Speaker 1: there's talk of their being a third red shirt. And
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Speaker 1: the reason we're talking about this is because we're trying
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Speaker 1: desperately to establish a timeline in Missing Molly. Tibbitts with
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Speaker 1: me Professor of forensics, author of Blood Beneath My Feet,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan forensics expert. Why is the shirt so important,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Well, if the shirt is specifically owned by her,
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Speaker 1: and it is found in a location she is not
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Speaker 1: known to frequent, then that shirt is significant. Nancy, as
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Speaker 1: you well know, uh the individual that is involved in
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Speaker 1: this From an indivist, from an investigative standpoint, I can
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Speaker 1: take that timeline and try to marry it up. Let's
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Speaker 1: keep in mind that that the place where Molly actually
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Speaker 1: was last seen as in Brooklyn, Iowa, and it's some
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Speaker 1: distance from from these hog farms in this area. So
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Speaker 1: you have to wonder why the world would she be there.
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Speaker 1: She had been on foot, this sort of thing. So
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tie back relative to matching this
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Speaker 1: thing up with tomline and also what she had in
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Speaker 1: her possession at the last time she was seen alive.
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Speaker 1: You know. Another issue up and this is they sast
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Speaker 1: on having interviewed literally literally thousands of witnesses and defendants. UM.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever noticed this, Ashley Willcott
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Speaker 1: and Susan Constantine in your work, but Susan, so often
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Speaker 1: I would be interviewing somebody or questioning them on the stand.
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Speaker 1: Let's just pretend it's a shooting, and they would tell me, okay,
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Speaker 1: we we we went by a bar, and then we
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Speaker 1: went in the car, and then we did this, and
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Speaker 1: then we did and then he jumped out of the
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Speaker 1: car and I saw him pull the gun and then
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Speaker 1: it stops. I'm like, well, what happened? Then he goes
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Ms christ I looked away. My point
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Speaker 1: is at that critical moment they go blank, okay, which
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Speaker 1: is totally a big lie. Now what I'm saying is here,
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Speaker 1: maybe he just did not want to divulge it. This
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Speaker 1: uh Cheney. Cheney, the pig farmer with two prior stalking
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Speaker 1: evictions from two thousand nine and two thousand fourteen, says
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Speaker 1: he really couldn't remember what the FBI asked him. You
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Speaker 1: know what. I've been put on the stand and cross
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Speaker 1: examined one time one time, and it was in a
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Speaker 1: homicide case, and I had handed over my entire file
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Speaker 1: to the defense, and then they followed a motion to
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Speaker 1: the judge that I hadn't handed everything over. I'm like, oh, yes,
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Speaker 1: I did. Well, it turned out they were right. Homicide
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Speaker 1: had a second file and had like thirty pages in
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Speaker 1: it that they never gave me, and so therefore it
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Speaker 1: was my duty that they there was nothing significant in it.
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Speaker 1: But the fact was there were thirty pages I didn't
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Speaker 1: know about, and the defense apparently got it before I
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Speaker 1: did and put me on a cross exam on the
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Speaker 1: stand under oh, suggested I was trying to hide it. Well,
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Speaker 1: I can remember that moment to this day, and that
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Speaker 1: was over ten years ago. When you are being questioned
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Speaker 1: in a serious matter, I remember I felt hot all over.
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Speaker 1: I felt at the I could feel my face being
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Speaker 1: hot as I listened to the questions, worried had I
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Speaker 1: done anything wrong to jeopardize the case for Pete's sake. Well,
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Speaker 1: it all turned out fine because the truth came out
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Speaker 1: as soon as they put the homicide detective on the stand. Well,
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Speaker 1: how can he not remember what the FBI? I think
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Speaker 1: I would remember, Susan, What the FBI just asked me,
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Speaker 1: that helped me for two hours and wanted me to
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Speaker 1: take a polygraph test? And you're right, Nancy, And they
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Speaker 1: conveniently don't remember what they remember, but they don't want
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Speaker 1: to talk about it. And that's why he says, you know,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to talk about it is enough and
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Speaker 1: what you know what we talked about this, Well, that's
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Speaker 1: not what he said, Susan. He didn't say I don't
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Speaker 1: want to talk about He said, I don't remember. How
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Speaker 1: can you not remember being grilled by the fans? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I understand that, But even in the interview, the three
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Speaker 1: minute interview, I'm kind of going backward. I'm sorry. In
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Speaker 1: addition to that is that he just kind of walks
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Speaker 1: away when the stress is too high, he walks away.
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Speaker 1: And we know that when when liars are covering information,
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Speaker 1: they don't finish the story either. There's way too much
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Speaker 1: build up, there's not very much information, and they very
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Speaker 1: quick close up. So we look at that uh percent,
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Speaker 1: meaning the lead up to the story of the story
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Speaker 1: and the being at the end and anything outside of that.
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Speaker 1: They're not revealing all the information conveniently, and Nancy, this
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Speaker 1: is actually jumping in. The Other thing he kept saying
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Speaker 1: is I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. When I'm on the bench and I've
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Speaker 1: got juveniles in front of me, what do you think
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Speaker 1: they say, repeatedly if we ask questions of them trying
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Speaker 1: to find out what happened or about the alleged defense,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Of course they know,
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Speaker 1: they just don't want to say. You know, we are
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Speaker 1: talking about a local hog farmer that lives not too
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Speaker 1: too far away from where Molly Tibbitts goes missing. Right now,
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Speaker 1: we learn, for one thing, Molly's mom says she believes
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Speaker 1: Molly went missing from the jog, which is contrary to
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Speaker 1: everything else we're learning about the timeline. What does she
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Speaker 1: know that we don't know. Also, we are learning about
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Speaker 1: a third red Shirt. We're learning that two of the
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Speaker 1: red Shirts have been found very significant in this case,
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Speaker 1: because if she had gotten up that morning, shower, gotten
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Speaker 1: ready for work, put on her shirt, left with her
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Speaker 1: cell phone, remember her cell phones missing, that's where you
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Speaker 1: start the timeline and that's how you can determine who
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Speaker 1: may have gotten Molly. But what we are learning is
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Speaker 1: from people at her job. She was expected to be
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Speaker 1: there at work. We're learning this from her boss at
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Speaker 1: Grenelle Regional Medical Center, Chad Nath, who tells us Molly
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Speaker 1: was expected to arrive around eight a m. That morning.
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Speaker 1: She never showed up. She was part of a group
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Speaker 1: of ten staff members that we're taking about seventy five
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Speaker 1: children to Accounty Fair. Hence the red shirts so the
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Speaker 1: children would be able to spot her. There's a big
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Speaker 1: difference and her getting snatched off the street while she's
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Speaker 1: jogging the evening before and her stepping out of her
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Speaker 1: home the next morning dressed to go to work. It
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Speaker 1: greatly reduces the possibilities of who took her and how
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Speaker 1: they took her. In another major development today, the reward
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Speaker 1: for formation regarding Molly has climbed up to two hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty thousand dollars. Listen to Molly's mother, the family
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Speaker 1: and friends of my our daughter and our sister, Molly Tibbots,
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Speaker 1: would like to announce that we have set up a
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Speaker 1: Bring Molly Tibbots Home Safe reward fund at First State
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Speaker 1: Bank here in Brooklyn, Iowa. We believe that Molly is
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Speaker 1: still alive and if someone has abducted her, we are
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Speaker 1: pleading with you to please release her. It is our
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Speaker 1: greatest hope that if someone has her, that they would
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Speaker 1: just release her and claim that money that we have
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Speaker 1: and you can't do anything there without someone seeing it.
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Speaker 1: So we need to get that person or persons to
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Speaker 1: come forward with that information that we're getting this message out.
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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is somebody knows something. That is
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Speaker 1: Molly's father, Rob Tibbots begging people to come forward in
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Speaker 1: the search for his daughter. The reward for information regarding
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Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts is now up to two hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. That tipline one eight hundred four or five
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Speaker 1: to one one one one one eight hundred four or
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Speaker 1: five to one one one one. Here's the deal. Lee Egan,
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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. I mean we're saying Brooklyn, Brooklyn.
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Speaker 1: It's Brooklyn, Iowa. How many people live there? I mean,
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Speaker 1: who can it be? How many people live in that area? Lee,
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Speaker 1: there's only about twelve hundred residents total in that area,
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Speaker 1: but the extended area will branch out to many more people. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Lee Egan, you could say that about the
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Speaker 1: Sahara Desert if you keep going far enough you'll run
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Speaker 1: into some people. Hey, you've keep walking, you'll run into
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Speaker 1: New York City. Lee, But right there, No, offensively, but
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Speaker 1: right there, it's twe people. I mean, Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: helped me out. Hold on, though, let me correct myself.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, the voices in my head are having an argument.
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Speaker 1: What about Remember Shasta and Dylan Gronnie in Cordalone, Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Remember that they were living out in the middle of
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Speaker 1: nowhere and some freak comes along the interstate and decides
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Speaker 1: to do a home invasion and take the children. So
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Speaker 1: here we go. Lee's right, there's people there, But who
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Speaker 1: knows who is driving by? Is there an interstate nearby? Uh?
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Speaker 1: Does someone, let's say it come through there for business? Um?
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Speaker 1: You know, it could be a sales rep. My brother
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Speaker 1: was a sales rep for Johnston Johnson for thirty years.
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Speaker 1: He drove the same route. It could be a trucker,
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Speaker 1: It could be anybody, a delivery person. It could be
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Speaker 1: someone from out of town that was coming through for
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Speaker 1: some other reason. And how do I know? But I
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Speaker 1: mean the fact there's only twelve hundred people there. Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, that's got to narrow the field. For Pete's sake. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: of course it does. They're they're not too far away
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Speaker 1: from Interstate eighties. That's in East West Thoroughfare, Nancy. But
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Speaker 1: this is this is just it. You're gonna tell me
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Speaker 1: that just some random stranger wanders into a town in
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Speaker 1: rural America people and out of all the people there,
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Speaker 1: he picks this girl to have them have her just
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Speaker 1: vanish into thin air. I'm not buying it. Uh. You know,
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Speaker 1: we we walk around in fear of strangers all the time.
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Speaker 1: But you know, you're you're more you're more at risk
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Speaker 1: with people that are in your close proximity than you
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Speaker 1: are with people that are just randomly driving down the road. Now,
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Speaker 1: as an investigator, I want to take a real hard
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Speaker 1: look at people that are in her orbit, that are
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Speaker 1: in in the area in which she resides. That people
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Speaker 1: would have been familiar with her, that would have known
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Speaker 1: a routine, perhaps lee or maybe just caught her out
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Speaker 1: of the corner of their eye and developed some kind
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Speaker 1: of desire for her. That's the kind of people I
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Speaker 1: want to zero in on. Uh. And I would press
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Speaker 1: very very hard when it comes to this gentleman that
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Speaker 1: we heard earlier. Well, I'm telling you I agree with you.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. Two Susan Constantine speech experts specializing
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Speaker 1: in detecting lies. This hog farmer does live near her.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like in a densely populated suburb,
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Speaker 1: but he does live near her and would be familiar
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Speaker 1: as to where she lives. Again, he is not named
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Speaker 1: a person of interest, he is not named a suspect.
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Speaker 1: But I do know the fans are sir going back
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Speaker 1: to talk to him a second time. I do know
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Speaker 1: they asked him to take a polygraph and he refused it.
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Speaker 1: Now does that mean he's guilty, Absolutely not. But I
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Speaker 1: understand why the cops are looking at him. What more
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about his statement? Well, we're listening
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Speaker 1: to a statement. He's just not offering any valuable information.
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Speaker 1: And usually when somebody is missing, people that are in
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Speaker 1: the community want to help out. So it's a natural
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Speaker 1: instinct to say, I want to tell you what I
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Speaker 1: know so that they can help police officer FBI find
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Speaker 1: out what happened. But the fact that he has voice
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Speaker 1: is very flat, which could be his natural affect. We
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Speaker 1: don't know, because I don't have anything else to compare
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Speaker 1: it to. But the fact that he's looking at himself
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Speaker 1: like it's me, I'm the one that's being bothered, rather
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Speaker 1: than understanding what the parents are going through. There's no
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Speaker 1: emotion or empathy, So there's a lack of that empathy
22:56
Speaker 1: and compassion that concerns me. Explained to me Lee Egan,
23:01
Speaker 1: why the mother is saying that she's convinced Molly was
23:07
Speaker 1: taken while she was jogging the night before. Is it
23:12
Speaker 1: because the things she would typically take with her to
23:15
Speaker 1: jog are gone? The cell phone, the fitbit, her jogging
23:20
Speaker 1: clothes are missing. Is that what it is? Lie, That's
23:24
Speaker 1: what it is. The things that she always takes with
23:26
Speaker 1: her she would have had if somebody came into the home.
23:31
Speaker 1: The mother thinks there's no way that they would take
23:33
Speaker 1: all of her, Like they wouldn't grab her phone, they
23:35
Speaker 1: wouldn't grab her arm, the little arm things she keeps
23:38
Speaker 1: her phone in on when she jogs, They would leave
23:41
Speaker 1: that there if they abducted her from the home. So
23:44
Speaker 1: the mom's thinking she had to be out running and
23:46
Speaker 1: somebody snatched her up while she had all those things
23:49
Speaker 1: on her. Well, I'm telling you just got more than
23:52
Speaker 1: the reason. UH investigators got away from that theory. Is
23:56
Speaker 1: because they say that a snapchat taken indoors of her
24:04
Speaker 1: was sent by her to her boyfriend that evening he
24:08
Speaker 1: opened it at ten pm. She obviously was not not
24:12
Speaker 1: out running after ten pm. And not only that, her
24:16
Speaker 1: computer reportedly revealed she had been up late that night
24:20
Speaker 1: working on her computer doing homework, which is inconsistent with
24:24
Speaker 1: her being snatched while she was jogging. Yes, so what
24:28
Speaker 1: are we left with if if, if, if she was abducted,
24:34
Speaker 1: that would mean in that scenario that someone would have
24:37
Speaker 1: physically perhaps come into the home and you know, taking
24:43
Speaker 1: her from that location, or maybe she walked out of
24:46
Speaker 1: the house, maybe she heard something outside the house, was
24:49
Speaker 1: drawn out, and someone abducted her while she was in
24:52
Speaker 1: the front yard. Now, I'm just saying this relative to
24:55
Speaker 1: the scenario that we're discussing right now. But is there
24:58
Speaker 1: any evidence at the home? I want to know what
25:01
Speaker 1: the police have done there at that particular scene as
25:05
Speaker 1: far as processing that was their evidence of forced entry,
25:08
Speaker 1: was their evidence of struggle, all those things that we
25:10
Speaker 1: look for and crime scene investigation. Is there anything that
25:14
Speaker 1: is left behind there that would give us an indication
25:17
Speaker 1: she was taken against her will? You know, Leagan I've
25:21
Speaker 1: seen nothing about a forced entry. I've seen nothing about
25:24
Speaker 1: a struggle or a ransacking. And what I'm hearing now
25:30
Speaker 1: that the fitbit was gone, the armholder that she used
25:34
Speaker 1: to put her put her cell phone into it when
25:37
Speaker 1: she ran. Her jogging clothes, probably her running shoes are
25:43
Speaker 1: all missing. That goes back to the jogging theory, which
25:46
Speaker 1: in my mind makes it even harder to pinpoint a
25:50
Speaker 1: perp um. What can you tell me about whether she
25:54
Speaker 1: was there at the boyfriend's house. He was out of town,
25:57
Speaker 1: and to be the brother he lived with was out
26:00
Speaker 1: of town. Also, they apparently have been cleared she was
26:04
Speaker 1: their dog sitting. Is it truely that at night or
26:09
Speaker 1: when she was gone, the dogs would be kept in
26:11
Speaker 1: the basement and the cops found the dogs in the
26:14
Speaker 1: basement with the basement door locked. That is correct. And
26:18
Speaker 1: another thing is that the dogs if she was at
26:21
Speaker 1: home or if she went to sleep, the dogs would
26:24
Speaker 1: not be put in the basement. If she was sleeping,
26:26
Speaker 1: they would sleep in the bed with her. The only
26:29
Speaker 1: time she put the dogs in the basement is if
26:31
Speaker 1: she was out of the house. And when police found
26:34
Speaker 1: the dogs they were they were fine, nothing, no damage,
26:37
Speaker 1: but they were in the basement. Okay, Ashley Willcott, you
26:41
Speaker 1: and I have seen so many scenarios unfold. Your lawyer,
26:44
Speaker 1: a judge found her child crime watch dot com way
26:47
Speaker 1: in what are your observations so far? Listen? You know
26:50
Speaker 1: I rarely disagree with everyone on the show, especially you, Nancy,
26:53
Speaker 1: But in this case, I think we're not talking about
26:55
Speaker 1: two things. Number One, she might have left while untarily
27:00
Speaker 1: and God, I hope that's the case and she's out
27:03
Speaker 1: there fine. We don't know that she did not choose
27:07
Speaker 1: to walk away and go somewhere number one, and that
27:10
Speaker 1: could be why she locked because we don't know. I'm
27:17
Speaker 1: hopeful it's the case and not the other. But all
27:20
Speaker 1: I'm saying is law enforcements got to look at everything. Everything.
27:24
Speaker 1: I mean, that goes without saying what we're talking about
27:27
Speaker 1: is the relevant evidence, the Code twenty four, the relevant evidence. Ashley,
27:34
Speaker 1: Do you really believe she just went on a walk about?
27:38
Speaker 1: You really think that she didn't disappear in a thin air?
27:41
Speaker 1: And they're doing all the right things in the investigation,
27:43
Speaker 1: but what the Hey, somebody knows something, And I'm just saying,
27:47
Speaker 1: is that an option? Is it a possibility? Even if
27:50
Speaker 1: it's slight. Absolutely. The other possibility we've touched on, even
27:54
Speaker 1: if it's light, is it might have been a complete stranger.
27:57
Speaker 1: We don't know that it wasn't that it wasn't a
27:59
Speaker 1: random a whippck abduction. Take a listen now to more
28:04
Speaker 1: of what we have learned. This is not like her.
28:06
Speaker 1: Dalton Jack is living in a nightmare. I figured i'd
28:10
Speaker 1: speak to her in that hour or so, and right
28:13
Speaker 1: now it's one he can't wake up from. I came
28:16
Speaker 1: home as soon as her mom said that she called
28:18
Speaker 1: the hospital and she wasn't there. The last time the
28:20
Speaker 1: twenty year old saw Molly was on Wednesday at ten
28:23
Speaker 1: pm when he opened a snapchat from her. It was
28:25
Speaker 1: just a selfie with the caption and I don't remember
28:28
Speaker 1: what the caption said, but it looked like she was inside.
28:30
Speaker 1: He never thought he wouldn't hear from her again. Early
28:33
Speaker 1: Thursday morning, he didn't notice the message hadn't been read
28:37
Speaker 1: until her friend called late that afternoon. One of her
28:39
Speaker 1: co workers called me, said Molly had not called into
28:43
Speaker 1: work that day and she hadn't showed up. And then
28:45
Speaker 1: I looked at the messages and she hadn't opened or
28:48
Speaker 1: read any of them. So I started getting in contact
28:51
Speaker 1: with her friends and her family, saying, hey, have you
28:53
Speaker 1: seen her? Have you heard from her? And everybody came
28:57
Speaker 1: up with the same thing. No, I haven't seen her
28:58
Speaker 1: since Yester sweet. I've never seen her be angry or
29:04
Speaker 1: mean to anybody in the almost three years that we've
29:07
Speaker 1: been dating. To not know where she is unsettling and
29:10
Speaker 1: he's gone numb. If this is her running off, this
29:13
Speaker 1: is just no. We were just coming. Nobody in, nobody
29:18
Speaker 1: in the world, not her family, not me, nobody would
29:22
Speaker 1: have ever guessed that she would just take off and
29:24
Speaker 1: not tell anybody while law enforcement continued to search for her.
29:27
Speaker 1: There's just one thing he wants Molly to know. I
29:30
Speaker 1: miss you so much, and that's boyfriend Dalton Jack. She
29:36
Speaker 1: was at his home that he shared with his brother baby,
29:40
Speaker 1: sitting his dogs. She was last saying wearing her running gear,
29:45
Speaker 1: dark colored running shorts, a pink sports talk running shoes.
29:49
Speaker 1: The boyfriend working at construction job a hundred twenty one
29:53
Speaker 1: miles away. He has been cleared again. He received a
29:57
Speaker 1: snapchat from Molly that night, taken indoors, suggesting she had
30:03
Speaker 1: returned home after the jog. He also shares as I
30:09
Speaker 1: told you the home with his brother and the brother's fiancee.
30:13
Speaker 1: They were both away out of town at the time.
30:16
Speaker 1: They were set to marry in Dominican republican of destination
30:19
Speaker 1: wedding that has been canceled, while the search from Molly
30:23
Speaker 1: goes on. Now, the boyfriend, Dalton Jack, tells us that
30:29
Speaker 1: Molly had probably gone to bed without locking the doors,
30:33
Speaker 1: given that it is a very peaceful rural area of
30:36
Speaker 1: about twelve people, that it was common practice to go
30:42
Speaker 1: to bed without locking doors. Were now learning through Lee Egan,
30:46
Speaker 1: she typically slept with the dogs while the boyfriend's gone.
30:51
Speaker 1: What else do we know? We know the dogs locked up,
30:55
Speaker 1: not just in the basement, but locked up, suggesting she
30:59
Speaker 1: was still on the run or had left had left
31:03
Speaker 1: the home on her own. Take a listen to this,
31:09
Speaker 1: you know, if they're listening, then I would just like
31:11
Speaker 1: them to know that imagine this was you. Everybody has
31:14
Speaker 1: a Molly in their life, a person that has affected
31:16
Speaker 1: her them in a way that she affected everybody standing
31:20
Speaker 1: up here right now, and imagine if this was you.
31:24
Speaker 1: Somebody had taken your Molly, um, when you want to help,
31:28
Speaker 1: when you want her back, how would you feel? Just
31:31
Speaker 1: do the right thing and you know, let her go.
31:34
Speaker 1: Pretty much sickness off Steve, because I don't know where
31:38
Speaker 1: she is. I don't know if she's saved. We're just
31:40
Speaker 1: hoping for her safe return. The reward for Molly's safe
31:44
Speaker 1: return now climbing to two hundred and twenty thousand dollars
31:49
Speaker 1: the tip line eight hundred four or five to one
31:52
Speaker 1: on one, tip line eight hundred four or five to
31:57
Speaker 1: one one one one. And speaking of that reward, what
32:02
Speaker 1: we're trying to do is shake the tree. We want
32:05
Speaker 1: somebody to come forward, even if they're even if it's
32:08
Speaker 1: not real, at least to start a conversation with somebody. Um.
32:13
Speaker 1: Somebody might know uh that there she's being held by somebody,
32:17
Speaker 1: but would never say anything because if they said something,
32:20
Speaker 1: they may think that reciprocity or their life might be
32:23
Speaker 1: a danger. We can guarantee that whoever gives this information
32:27
Speaker 1: up uh, their identity will be protected. When they put
32:30
Speaker 1: in the tip, they get a random number that matches
32:32
Speaker 1: that tip. So if you're one, two, three, four, five
32:35
Speaker 1: that have to contact us back and say hey, I
32:38
Speaker 1: saw in the media, well, in this case, if they
32:40
Speaker 1: got them, if they got Molly they're gonna call and say, hey,
32:44
Speaker 1: I see there's a reward. I want to let her go.
32:46
Speaker 1: And then and then that negotiation will be done with
32:49
Speaker 1: the law enforcement and whole a whole new dynamic will
32:52
Speaker 1: come into play, and we hope that dynamic comes into play.
32:54
Speaker 1: That's why we're doing what we're doing. You are listening
32:57
Speaker 1: the tip being described as you just heard. That was
33:02
Speaker 1: Crime Stoppers of Central Iowa spokesperson Greg Wildly speaking at
33:06
Speaker 1: a news conference in the last hours. Let's take a
33:09
Speaker 1: look at what we know. The boyfriend, Dalton Jack says
33:14
Speaker 1: he spoke with Tibbets via text messages and social media
33:20
Speaker 1: just before she went out on an evening jog. That's
33:23
Speaker 1: what he's saying. He says, she runs every night, and
33:27
Speaker 1: she likes to go whenever the sun's not down, repeat
33:31
Speaker 1: not down, so it would have still been daylight hours
33:35
Speaker 1: that she knows the area very well, he believes. The boyfriend,
33:40
Speaker 1: Dalton Jack says she would have had both her Fitbit
33:44
Speaker 1: activity tracker and her cell phone when she went out
33:48
Speaker 1: for a jog. She was last seen, according to eyewitnesses,
33:52
Speaker 1: around seven pm local time that night, still daylight, running
33:58
Speaker 1: the streets of Iowa uh, wearing dark colored running shorts,
34:03
Speaker 1: running shoes, and a pink sports talk. Now, this is
34:07
Speaker 1: according to the Iowa Department of Public Safety. Now, immediately
34:13
Speaker 1: the very next day, when she doesn't show up for
34:15
Speaker 1: work at eight a m her family reports her missing.
34:21
Speaker 1: Completely out of character for Molly not to show up
34:25
Speaker 1: for work. The search going on right now. Police in Kearnie,
34:30
Speaker 1: Missouri respond then to an unconfirmed sighting of tibbots at
34:35
Speaker 1: a truck stop. We have learned that that siding was
34:40
Speaker 1: not Molly tibbots. Repeat, not Molly tibbots. Now interesting, Actually
34:48
Speaker 1: you had a question, Actually, will caught with me a lawyer, judge,
34:52
Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com a question regarding
34:56
Speaker 1: the wallet and the debit card Ash. That's right, Nancy, So,
34:59
Speaker 1: I know that the reports are that they located or
35:02
Speaker 1: found the debit card, a passport that she'd recently gotten,
35:06
Speaker 1: and the wallet. What I didn't see is any consistent
35:09
Speaker 1: information about where those were found, because that's really significant.
35:13
Speaker 1: Again and where when the time frame she disappeared? What
35:18
Speaker 1: about it? Lee Egan. So police found her laptop and
35:21
Speaker 1: her wallet. Inside her wallet was her driver's license, debit card,
35:25
Speaker 1: and a newly acquired passport. They were all left in
35:29
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's house. But interesting, now I'm I'm understanding what
35:34
Speaker 1: the mom is saying. That she still had with her
35:38
Speaker 1: everything she would have taken to run, that the dogs
35:42
Speaker 1: were still a lot in the basement where she would
35:44
Speaker 1: put them when she goes jogging. If she were home,
35:47
Speaker 1: they would be up with her. So I hear what
35:50
Speaker 1: the mom is saying. In the last hours, with the
35:54
Speaker 1: help of hundreds of volunteers scouring the area and the
35:59
Speaker 1: surrounding area, we learned that police have gone to a
36:03
Speaker 1: pig farm. Uh, they've been there several times. It's about
36:07
Speaker 1: ten miles south of Brooklyn, Iowa. We also learned that
36:13
Speaker 1: it's not while it's not uncommon for fans to go
36:16
Speaker 1: back to a site, but the fans are going back
36:19
Speaker 1: for a second interview with a pig farmer that lives nearby.
36:24
Speaker 1: He has refused a polygraph test. Susan Constantine with me
36:29
Speaker 1: renowned body language and speech experts specializing and detecting lies.
36:35
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people refuse a polygraph, right, Okay,
36:41
Speaker 1: So what does that mean to you, Susan Constantine, Well,
36:46
Speaker 1: it tells me that they have the fear of taking
36:48
Speaker 1: a polygraph. If there's something that is in their subconscious
36:51
Speaker 1: that they can't reveal, it might be damaging. So you know, there,
36:56
Speaker 1: there really isn't any reason why a person wouldn't want
36:58
Speaker 1: to take a polygraph if they were innocent. So that
37:01
Speaker 1: would raise a red flag for me. And of course, Ashley,
37:04
Speaker 1: you can't bring that into evidence at trial, that someone
37:07
Speaker 1: refused a polygraph. That's equated to commenting on their right
37:11
Speaker 1: to remain silent, and that's disallowed at trial. That's absolutely correct.
37:16
Speaker 1: It's not allowed at trial, and it just gives us
37:18
Speaker 1: more information during the investigation to figure out what in
37:21
Speaker 1: fact this man is telling the truth and not about
37:24
Speaker 1: and what he's not. And I agree completely. If he
37:27
Speaker 1: were completely innocent, if he knew nothing, if he had
37:30
Speaker 1: no reason to be concerned, he, like anybody else, would
37:33
Speaker 1: be the first one in there to say I will
37:35
Speaker 1: take a polygraph. But yet he is not. Nancy jump in, yeah, listen.
37:41
Speaker 1: I have to say, the currency, if you you don't
37:44
Speaker 1: mind me equating to that that investigators deal in is time.
37:48
Speaker 1: Time is the most valuable thing that investigators possess. I
37:52
Speaker 1: believe that the police, uh and uh, the FBI no
37:58
Speaker 1: more at this point than any of us possibly know.
38:02
Speaker 1: They are not going to waste their pressure currency time
38:06
Speaker 1: and going back out there. There's more to this. I
38:10
Speaker 1: think that they're concentrating in this particular area. I don't
38:14
Speaker 1: know if this individual has anything to do with it,
38:16
Speaker 1: but they're focused in this area. Something has drawn them there,
38:20
Speaker 1: and we have to keep that in mind. That's why
38:22
Speaker 1: it's going to be very critical over the next few
38:24
Speaker 1: days that we all watch this investigation that zeroed in
38:29
Speaker 1: on this particular area very very carefully, because I don't
38:32
Speaker 1: know what's happened. Uh. You know, I would say something
38:35
Speaker 1: like electronic evidence, but they have those those those items
38:39
Speaker 1: in their possession. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, don't
38:41
Speaker 1: Joe's got Morgan. You know what, we can't help. But
38:45
Speaker 1: if you're just smarter than all the rest of us,
38:47
Speaker 1: when you just throw out terms like electronic cabinets, what
38:51
Speaker 1: do you mean by that, Well, I'm talking about being
38:53
Speaker 1: able to peeing a cell phone, get this fitbit where
38:57
Speaker 1: you can read this thing. Those things, those things leave
39:00
Speaker 1: a trail. Don't think, Nancy. It's just one of the
39:03
Speaker 1: things that we look at as far as establishing a timeline, uh,
39:07
Speaker 1: pinpointing location that sort of thing. So all of that
39:11
Speaker 1: is very very critical. Something else I believe has drawn
39:15
Speaker 1: them out there to this location in this rural area
39:18
Speaker 1: that's south of Brooklyn where she was last known alive.
39:22
Speaker 1: And this is about a fifteen mile jaunt to get
39:25
Speaker 1: down to the area from Brooklyn where they are where
39:29
Speaker 1: they're focusing right now at this point. So all of
39:31
Speaker 1: this is very very critical in my opinion. So we're
39:33
Speaker 1: talking about a fitbit. It's kind of like a smart watch.
39:38
Speaker 1: What all, Jessica Morgan, can a fitbit reveal? Yeah, this
39:43
Speaker 1: is that we're we're gonna talk about, well, if you're,
39:46
Speaker 1: if you're, it's got a pedometer on it so that
39:49
Speaker 1: it can that allows us to tell how many steps uh,
39:53
Speaker 1: that an individual has taken. It also gives us bio
39:56
Speaker 1: feedback relative to heart rate and of sorts of things.
40:00
Speaker 1: So there's any number of things bits of information that
40:04
Speaker 1: can be harvested. I'm sure that there are other items
40:07
Speaker 1: on the fitbit that can be harvested that we're not
40:10
Speaker 1: aware of. But hold on, I know you're gonna remember this,
40:13
Speaker 1: everybody that I'm speaking to right now. The attack on
40:17
Speaker 1: a beautiful young woman, a murdered woman, her fit bit
40:24
Speaker 1: was used to charge her husband in that deadly attack.
40:30
Speaker 1: He told police a masked intruder barged in their Connecticut home,
40:34
Speaker 1: that he tied up and tortured the husband, and when
40:37
Speaker 1: the wife came home, he just killed her. I'm talking
40:40
Speaker 1: about Richard Debate. That's what he told police. This is
40:44
Speaker 1: one thing he forgot to do when he stayed the scene,
40:46
Speaker 1: according to police, is to get rid of his wife's fitbit.
40:50
Speaker 1: The husband told detectives he had put his two children
40:54
Speaker 1: on the bus that morning, way bye bye to his wife,
40:57
Speaker 1: Connie Debate, and he went to work. Then he said
41:01
Speaker 1: his wife went to a fitness class at the y
41:06
Speaker 1: in his version. In his version, he went back home
41:11
Speaker 1: when he said he forgot his laptop round nine am, hurt,
41:15
Speaker 1: a noise, went upstairs, and all hell broke loose. That's
41:19
Speaker 1: where he blames unusual mysterious man with a stocky bill,
41:24
Speaker 1: of course, wearing camouflage and a ski mask. That's convenient. Hey,
41:30
Speaker 1: it must have been those ninjas that Jodi Arius said
41:32
Speaker 1: broke into her home and killed Travis Alexander. Okay, that
41:36
Speaker 1: they quote tussled and somehow, somehow this guy got the
41:42
Speaker 1: best of him and tied him up. Then comes the fitbit.
41:47
Speaker 1: That was his mistake. He forgot to take the fitbit
41:50
Speaker 1: off his wife's body. According to police, police scouring the
41:54
Speaker 1: area couldn't find a suspect. They brought in the k nines,
41:58
Speaker 1: everything they could think of, and then they figured out
42:03
Speaker 1: what happened. Connie's fitbit registered movement at the very same
42:09
Speaker 1: time the garage door opened in the kitchen that she
42:14
Speaker 1: was active up to nine forty to ninety six posting videos.
42:21
Speaker 1: Then the fitbit shows her in the home walking around
42:28
Speaker 1: between eighteen and ten oh five a m. When he
42:33
Speaker 1: comes home to get his laptop and the camouflaged, masked
42:41
Speaker 1: aggressor comes in to the home. So they analyze all
42:45
Speaker 1: of that and then they dig up a nearly half
42:48
Speaker 1: a million dollar insurance policy and that was all she wrote.
42:52
Speaker 1: That's what they can do with your fitbit. So Joe Scott,
43:00
Speaker 1: can't they figure out where she last was? I mean,
43:04
Speaker 1: doesn't the fitbit transmit the information? They don't have to
43:07
Speaker 1: have the actual fitbit, do they. I would think that
43:11
Speaker 1: it would, uh, particularly if it's a WiFi enabled it
43:15
Speaker 1: would go back to a central server cloud. Uh. And
43:18
Speaker 1: I think that that's gonna be key. Uh And so
43:21
Speaker 1: again that might be a piece of information that the
43:23
Speaker 1: police have at this moment time that we're not fully
43:26
Speaker 1: aware of right now. And again this is going to
43:30
Speaker 1: help them establish a timeline. Again, time is what we
43:34
Speaker 1: deal in here, and being able to place people at
43:37
Speaker 1: specific locations and their activities at those particular times. It's
43:43
Speaker 1: it's a far across from what we used to deal with.
43:45
Speaker 1: Now we can kind of tighten that window down a
43:48
Speaker 1: little bit and hopefully this is gonna help. Yeah, investigators
43:51
Speaker 1: now painting a lot of hope on data from Molly's fitbit,
43:56
Speaker 1: hoping it will give clues to her whereabouts. We know
43:59
Speaker 1: she was where r in the fitbit when she went
44:01
Speaker 1: jogging that data transmitted. We know the day she disappeared,
44:06
Speaker 1: her brother, her own brother, dropped her off at her
44:11
Speaker 1: boyfriend's home so she could dog sit. Now that is
44:14
Speaker 1: according uh to information we have received, along with what
44:18
Speaker 1: she was wearing that evening. Now, days after her disappearance,
44:23
Speaker 1: the search has intensified. Executed search warrants for the fitbit,
44:29
Speaker 1: information to her Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook accounts have occurred. They
44:36
Speaker 1: are sifting through all of that evidence. Now, the FBI
44:41
Speaker 1: has taken over the case. They have now interviewed a
44:45
Speaker 1: local pig farmer two times, asked him to submit to
44:51
Speaker 1: a polygraph. He denied. His farm is about ten miles
44:56
Speaker 1: southeast of the home where Tibet was last sane. The
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Speaker 1: family begging for help. Take a listen to this. We
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Speaker 1: are told very little by the authorities for very good reason.
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Speaker 1: They are incredible partners. They put together an incredible investigation.
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Speaker 1: It's large, it's sophisticated, it's aggressive, and they have been
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Speaker 1: nothing but sensitive to our family, and to suggest otherwise
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Speaker 1: is wrong. But they are not sharing information with us
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Speaker 1: because they don't need to share information with someone who
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Speaker 1: might be implicated in this. That is Molly's father, as
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Speaker 1: he is begging for help. The search for Molly goes on. Listen.
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Speaker 1: Every day, I feel Molly's presence with me, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: sometimes I just feel her sitting on my shoulder. And
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Speaker 1: Molly was an incredibly strong young woman, and I don't
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Speaker 1: know that I have the strengthen me, but Molly's lending
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Speaker 1: me her strength every day, every night, And yes I
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Speaker 1: have my moments of complete moltdowns, but it is through
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Speaker 1: this strength that is somehow and I don't know how
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Speaker 1: being bestowed upon me that I am able to get
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Speaker 1: through every morning, every noon, every night. That is Molly's
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Speaker 1: mother speaking, Susan, did you hear her refer to Molly
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Speaker 1: in the past tense? Yeah, because she's actually seen viewing
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Speaker 1: her is already gone, and when people speak in past tense,
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Speaker 1: they don't have a hope that they're able to find her.
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Speaker 1: So you know, unfortunately, that's kind of what she's actually
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Speaker 1: internally processing, and that's what she thinks, and that's the
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Speaker 1: reason why she used past tense with me. Susan Constantine
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Speaker 1: just got Morgan, Ashley Willcott and Lee Agan again. Please
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Speaker 1: help us the tip line eight hundred four five two
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Speaker 1: one one one one. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,