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Jakeem Grant, Sr.: Better Punt it Out of Bounds · The Fish Tank: Miami Dolphins Tales From The Deep

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, come back to the fish tank presented by Van Horton Law Group and Casabella Design Group, Seth Levitt, and the man with the best hands in the podcast business, he is though Jimmy Duffy and Juice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said it last week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's another day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's another wide out there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I see how you roll these days.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know how we roll, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I say all the time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Every time we have a situation like this, I think every team on offense should have eleven wide receivers out there at a time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Periods, eleven.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can't what do you think about that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't I don't disagree but you need somebody we need somebody to block Okay, he wants to let you don't need a whole lot though, man You don't get him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh Too funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess I just spoiled the surprise, but that is your team grant well your team grant senior.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna ask you about that later, but your team grant diving into the fish tank for the first time We're so excited to have you just man I hit him up on Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got right back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, let's do
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[SPEAKER_01]: it and uh and here we are.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, I'm always pumped that's about the offensive side of the ball.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's see it in my position man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we're going to have a lot of fun with this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well offense and teams like you guys have a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a lot to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to dive in there a lot of this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Excellent.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you came earlier this this year that we had Albert Wilson on the show and Bixeth and I think it only makes sense to ask you the same first question we asked him and that's because this question was about the two thousand eighteen game against the Raiders where you and Albert put everyone on notice but when first
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, double reverse ends in an Albert Wilson hitting you for fifty-two yard touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then Albert breaks free for seventy-four yard touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But you come out in nowhere and at around the fifteen yard line, you guys are high five in the way to the end zone.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The fans are still talking about that moment because we don't get moments like that very often, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so the dolphin fans, they're going to remember that forever.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Talk about that game, the high five.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, what it meant to, you know, get out to a three-in-one start in a systematic fashion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll say just from the start, just getting off to the three and I'll start.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say that team that that twenty eighteen team was the chemistry and the I will say the brotherhood that we developed was it was unmatched.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We actually cared about each other.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We hung out with each other every day all day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's what I think it transferred over into the field is I want to lay him down like that's my brother.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I call him my brother.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll side of this game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was how the team was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so with the the big run, the high five, I played how we played.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought was I had a bad side block and
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[SPEAKER_03]: I went to go cut off the near safety and he went catching Albert and I'm like, I read him, I read him down and then I was like, and then Albert, he stuck out of the sand, I gave him a high five and that created a magical moment that everybody still talks about to this day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the funny thing is, when we went back the next day and watched it on film,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, ah, you made me look slow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to run fast.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't happen a whole lot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll see how hard your team was working on the backside.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's how you get seventy four yard touchdown runs.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But when you realize, you ain't got to make the block.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Some guys make blocks in the back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Some guys do things at us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: When you realize it, hey, he's not catching him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just wrong without, but that's that's good stuff right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great, but it also, I guess, you're bringing that up to support your theory of eleven wide-outs, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said he needed somebody to block.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like the wide-outs were blocking for each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a magical moment, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know they made t-shirts and those photos, you still see people use those photos because it was just so cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How often do you see that on a field where there's nobody around?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are just left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You left twenty other players behind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not often, not often do you see that, especially teammates hustling with their, like, what their, the person that's running the ball and just, you know, I mean, like, it's, it's, it's a sense of unselfish.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, I wanted to see my brother sign and I want to run all the way down to the end zone with them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that just shows you, like I said, go back previously to tell you that the type of bond meant Albert had in just the, the type of unit that we had in
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody would argue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't get enough of you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You two guys together because that was a so cool man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was still talking about it to this day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I bet I bet you do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, you know, so what I was also cool when he was on the show is he told us that he got the high five idea from Tyreek when they were in Kansas City together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a neat little nugget that we didn't know that, you know, doesn't surprise me that Tyreek would find something to do when he's out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: two good two good well you you had plenty of exciting moments like that that that we're looking forward to discuss but we do want to rewind a little bit because this show is about telling your story and so before you were creating sports center where the highlights in the national football league you were growing up is it Mesquite am I pronouncing that right Mesquite Texas so Mesquite Texas and from what I understand it
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't always easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't always easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a tough area that you grew up in and we're elements of gang violence that quite honestly hit far too close from home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you just talk about a little bit what your childhood was like and growing up in that environment and the things that you did to try to stay away from from things that for whatever reason kept trying to find you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so growing up in a single parent home, my mom is, I'm the middle child of my oldest brother, and a younger brother.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I went to school in Mesquite, but we stayed in a Dallas area.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I grew up in Dallas, my whole life, I just went to school in Mesquite.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I went to school in Mesquite, because of all the gang activities and violence, and I cut out the recently at Dallas Sigmaville.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so my mom moved me from Nashville, because we were getting a lot of fights and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was tough, the environment, especially kids with no father figure in the home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's easily drawn into any type of gang violence or anything of that nature.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So my thing was, and being involved in any type of gang violence is my brothers and all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My mom's probably told me, you're your brother's keeper.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it was, you cannot go home without your brother coming back home with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it was basically
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, if my brother's there and I have to be there and what set me apart from stringing down the wrong path is I used to sit back and think of say this is more to life than you know being involved in and games and all of these things and being scared for your life every single day like not knowing what was going to happen and that
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[SPEAKER_03]: in that atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I used to tell, and it was the other people in my girl was like, you used to tell me, you came, you're the only one that can make it out of worried.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you're the only one that can do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's also another reason that pushed me to, you know, just do the right thing and just take the right path is because also it's other people down around me that seeing the potential that I had and also it just me wanting
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[SPEAKER_03]: just better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched my mom struggle to raise all three of us and didn't, I just didn't want that for her anymore or my kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no doubt, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it seems like, and ultimately, you know, those decisions that you made paid off, but it seemed like things, like, even when you were a young adult, even when you got to college, things were, you couldn't quite escape them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know there was an incident with your brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: tragically lost a best friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You even had, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you had something at a nightclub where, you know, I was reading the details.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were a little fuzzy, but it just seemed like you were trying your best to not be a part of any of these things and for whatever reason they were surrounding you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I tell a lot of kids especially talk to a lot of kids these days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes you pass, come back to the hunch and growing up and gang violence, you're like, people don't forget.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, I remember it very vividly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was out at, um, it was a party called Clunkness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we just played, it was a homecoming game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We played Kansas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Crunk this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, we, and where now?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that, is that an annual party?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they throw it like every homecoming.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every homecoming.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every homecoming.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every homecoming.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all juice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At Texas Tech, I had a boot on my foot, actually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All the football players went, everybody went.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I basically had a boot on my foot, because I had, I had like a ankle sprain or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just want, I want to be out with my, where my, where my, my voice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I even begged the funny thing is I begged my oldest brother.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, man, just come out with me, come out with me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, nah, I got working on one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got working on one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so literally I'm sitting there and we talking five breaks up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then all of a sudden, you know, it's everybody rushing and and they spraying prepo spray.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then next thing you know, I just feel somebody just hit me right under the chin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm thinking, now my doing this one, but now I'm ready to defend myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm thinking that, like, oh, now he just hit me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm walking out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, somebody's bleeding.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The whole time it was me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I got, I'm just trying to take me out right in an area.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I, one of my teammates in the store, he took me to the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I was going to die from him to drive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, why not tell him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, when I tell you how to get you there, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's what this is, Lee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is, it's like, he was driving and he was driving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, you can't even do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't go to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't go to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not looking at the road.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about not looking at the road.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you don't go to sleep?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't go to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on the phone, my mom.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, hey, I just got stabbed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know how much it is, broke down the tears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For that news, sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then my oldest brother, he was furious because I begged him and he didn't go that night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he felt responsible the way, like not being there for you, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, sometimes, I mean, sometimes though in those situations, maybe it's better because your brother might have killed somebody that night.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because he didn't have that damn badge, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm, I think God that he wasn't there because the first, the first question he asked me when I was listening to, and the hospital bed was, it was like, do you know who did it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who was it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who was it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's over with my wife was my wife was there and She was destroyed and what what cleared up I had like my little iPhone and I was I was actually watching the whole time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was cleaning me up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was watching I had a movie download on my phone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the incredible hope
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, are you okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, yeah, I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You want to watch the incredible whole thing like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what like that stopped.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want people to, you know, sit there and have them to worry if I'm okay or anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to even though that I'm in a life or death situation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to make sure that you're okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll be fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the Jews football players, y'all are just built different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are built different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to tell people that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I tried to, Darrell Gardner got shot in the, in the jaw and drove himself to the hospital, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Remember, I mean, yes, absolutely absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you can get shot in the face of the forty five.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But hey, he is built like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's built different.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a whole other conversation.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, okay, speaking of family, you talk about your wife and your brother, of course, your mom.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The stakes have always been high for you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And you know, and you chase to be, you know, in NFL.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The urgency, obviously, was hiding throughout college because you already had a family of your own at that point.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, very few guys, you know, have a family at that point.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You got a family to support.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You, you said your wife and you now three beautiful children now.
15:01
[SPEAKER_05]: So you were not only bouncing school and ball and sometime the club, but a family as well, man.
15:07
[SPEAKER_05]: So how did you manage all that at such a young age, man?
15:11
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I have to imagine your motivation to get to the league had to
15:15
[SPEAKER_05]: making you be more competitive trying to get out there because you had different things.
15:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Like for me, I had no wife, no kids, no, I was, you know, I was trying to support my mom.
15:24
[SPEAKER_05]: You had a different motivation than a lot of guys coming into the league.
15:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so like, well, that was probably one of the toughest times in my life.
15:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was that was terrible.
15:34
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a, it's truly blessing.
15:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I had all three of my kids in college.
15:37
[SPEAKER_03]: He had to came join your and Cayley in college.
15:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I have two twin daughters, but balancing school practice and I had a job because back in, I don't know, in I L deals.
15:47
[SPEAKER_03]: This is this scholarship checks and that's it.
15:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it was like probably about.
15:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, probably like a thousand bucks and they have to cover like rent and food and stuff like that.
15:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, that's good enough at one person, but I'll stand off campus.
16:02
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not in a problem.
16:04
[SPEAKER_05]: So tech wouldn't take care of you guys like that.
16:06
[SPEAKER_05]: You tell me, Texas tech.
16:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on man.
16:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Rumi Barnes got to be part of what they do for the best players.
16:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish I wish man I wish.
16:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't try and stir something up, dude.
16:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, but when I tell you that I created a different work ethic as being from even when Coach King's Mary used to text me late at night and say, hey, you can't we got five five a.m.
16:32
[SPEAKER_03]: punishment.
16:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, man, I got three kids at home.
16:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I've already got five.
16:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had three of them.
16:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I had four of them.
16:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, and so that that being said, like, and he was like, I understand that you have kids at home, but I still expect you to make it.
16:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, if you don't show up, then everybody else's gonna have an excuse.
16:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, when I tell you, I was there.
16:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't, only time I've really got to sleep is whenever I was out of weight game.
17:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's how we get ready to get on the plane.
17:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was the first person on the plane.
17:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I was knocked out before the plane even took off.
17:07
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was out.
17:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, that hunger made me
17:14
[SPEAKER_03]: to the person I am today, also with saying my mom raises.
17:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But that hunger and just just relentless effort to make sure that my kids have everything that I've always wanted and make sure that they didn't have to struggle to want or need anything is what fueled me.
17:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was tough because I went through
17:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I went through academic probation on at that time because not only that whenever my wife had, whenever she had our twins, she reactivated her childhood seizures because she's epilepsy.
17:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And so at a point of time, like,
17:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to I'm not going to class like I'm showing up for practice at times that I can I had the kids I had all the kids to myself and so I'm just at at home just make sure that they're good they're taking care of and I know them I'm just getting on to my
18:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was, it was to my T.T.U.
18:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just watching my grades go.
18:11
[SPEAKER_03]: And drop and drop.
18:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm turning the assignments and I'm like, I'm having, uh, my academic advisor Rodney Lacky in a Audrey branch was just like, you came like your grades.
18:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I don't, I don't know what to do.
18:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I had, I have kids and I'm putting them first.
18:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's only so much bandwidth, right?
18:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
18:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And they work with me and I was on academic probation.
18:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I was basically an eligible to practice with the team until I got my GPA up to it.
18:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a three point.
18:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and the NCAA wanted to see that.
18:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I took, I had to work out by myself while still taking care of the kids going to work and also taking summer classes that extra summer classes that I didn't even have on there to jump my GPA up.
18:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when I tell you, that was hard.
18:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about writing papers after papers.
19:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, come on, college athletes, we're not trying to do nothing but play football.
19:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
19:06
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and I'm like, I'm like, man, I'm talking about, I put the pedal to the middle and I did whatever I could do to get back on the team and not only whenever they reinstated me, that was really to play in practice with the team.
19:20
[SPEAKER_03]: It was another bump in the road because I went in there and I talked to Coach Keen's Barry.
19:26
[SPEAKER_03]: and he sat me down in office.
19:27
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, I understand what you're going through, but it's, I hold you to a higher standard and that's still unacceptable.
19:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, we're going to start you at the bottom of the debt chart.
19:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Going into my senior year.
19:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I won't stop you at the bottom of your of the depth chart.
19:44
[SPEAKER_03]: So when I tell you, and I said, okay, ghosts, that was, I mean, that's only fair.
19:49
[SPEAKER_03]: When I worked, I'm talking about work, my butt off to get to first string and I didn't miss one practice my senior year, not one.
19:56
[SPEAKER_05]: And you know, you don't set up sometime when you're at the bottom of the depth chart.
20:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Now you're the show team for your starting defense.
20:02
[SPEAKER_05]: So what do you know about the bottom of the depth?
20:05
[SPEAKER_05]: They're big set.
20:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, man.
20:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, Jews.
20:07
[SPEAKER_05]: We started this shit already set.
20:11
[SPEAKER_05]: I've been in the bottom of the depth chart.
20:12
[SPEAKER_05]: When I, you know, as a senior, I wasn't.
20:14
[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm saying, as you know, as a freshman, as a sophomore, I was close and blinded.
20:18
[SPEAKER_05]: But my freshman year, I wasn't a bottom of the depth chart.
20:20
[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm saying, though, you're doing show team for the defense.
20:23
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm sure your team was tearing their ass up, big team.
20:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Every day, I'm talking about talking, talking, talking.
20:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about, like, this is like, and I'm, and then my teammates, they love me, but they let me have it.
20:38
[SPEAKER_03]: You look at to be even, you look at to be even out here.
20:40
[SPEAKER_03]: You look at you, they let you back.
20:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm talking about.
20:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
20:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, it sounds like they might have been, you know, given a message to deliver.
20:48
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it sounds like.
20:49
[SPEAKER_03]: That was Kingsbury because like, they was, they was upset because I was the, I was less, if it's called spade a spade.
20:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I was the only receiver going into my singing year.
20:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
21:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we had other receivers that can basically maintain, but the change of game into, you know, when bar games, it was just me by myself.
21:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And so they was mad at me as well.
21:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:11
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I know it.
21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: make sense.
21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so if anybody's listening and for some crazy reason, they don't know where you went to school, be set together, right?
21:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You just said Pat, he's a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good, a good
21:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Zach Thomas twice, Wes Welker, and even Debbie Lepnerch has been on the show.
21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, yeah, so we've got a long history with the Red Raiders.
21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: But like those other guys, despite everything you just detailed, you also were doing your thing there.
21:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So, between Kingsbury's offense, between Patrick Mahomes, which
21:48
[SPEAKER_01]: how cool is that, right?
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as before he became Patrick Holmes, you had him sling in the rock and your dynamic playing skills, you guys put up that offense was like a video game.
21:59
[SPEAKER_01]: The numbers you guys would put it up.
22:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Just listen to James senior year stat line.
22:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I need receptions, nine zero, one thousand two hundred sixty eight yard receiving ten touchdowns by air.
22:09
[SPEAKER_01]: He ran for two more touchdowns and he took two kickoff back to the house.
22:13
[SPEAKER_01]: How fun was it to be a part of something like that?
22:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, it was, it was great.
22:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially when I got pet, he made it a lot easier.
22:20
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just what it's on and tells it and his ability to extend place.
22:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything that pet is doing now, I tell people like he's been doing it at practice.
22:31
[SPEAKER_03]: a thousand times like he plays around with it.
22:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I practice just to see if he can it can work in the game and it's been plenty of times like when they first that NFL first seen him throw no look pass was like I'm the first person he threw a no look pass to and and I almost dropped it because I'm like one of
22:52
[SPEAKER_03]: back is looking the other way like as a receiver especially in scramble like okay he looking the way let me adjust and go back the other way and like soon as I'm about to just go the other way I see the ball come my way I'm like oh wow he threw on it to me and so I'm like what you doing like well you got it you got it look at me when you think he's like he's like don't worry just look at the ball and on the swivel right
23:15
[SPEAKER_03]: You got it and so but man it was I mean my senior year was it was so fun and it was just it was unbelievable and especially from the returns aspect it was it was great as well but I didn't have any blocking in the zero nine and I remember meeting with a couple of NFL those and it was like I don't know how you have two returns or how many had
23:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you had like, I don't know, probably like a thousand yards on like kickoff return.
23:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how, because this block is like a trotian.
23:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how it's going on here.
23:47
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you said.
23:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I promise you, he was just like, there's no way you like, you even had this.
23:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, um, but I wish I would have went back and did a pump return.
23:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't do it.
23:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I was, because because of the blocking, right?
24:00
[SPEAKER_03]: As you can see.
24:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean my senior was it was unbelievable and being fat had a bond like no other like any time he was in trouble or any time he knew the first down and he and tell me like I don't care if you double team whatever I'm coming to you like figure it out and so
24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And you did.
24:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And you did.
24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but despite all that, man, and those numbers are sick, you have that kind of production.
24:28
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't get an invite to the senior bull and you didn't get an invite to the NFL combine.
24:32
[SPEAKER_01]: How much of a slap in the face did that feel like?
24:35
[SPEAKER_03]: A big thing.
24:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about that slap that might be a cake.
24:40
[SPEAKER_03]: You said I mean I'm watching guys from don't even have the sense that I have I'm watching guys that's like not even if they would have went to the same school if we want to went to the same school as each other like like I'm like bro you wouldn't be playing right you wouldn't get the ball and the thing is and I understand the height size whatever I mean if you can play you can play if you can't you can't that's and that's my fact so
25:11
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's just basically how it's been.
25:15
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the funny thing is, let's go to my mama and I used to tell her.
25:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, you know, it's really your fault that I'm getting all this criticism because of my height, right?
25:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Like yeah, you go and get with a guy that's only like five six and you make with him and you didn't even think about my future.
25:36
[SPEAKER_03]: You like to come home now.
25:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's not my fault.
25:41
[SPEAKER_03]: It's your fault.
25:41
[SPEAKER_01]: What did she say to that?
25:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she was just, she just started dying.
25:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:46
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, hey, you got the speed.
25:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
25:49
[SPEAKER_03]: This is true.
25:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
25:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I thank you for that.
25:52
[SPEAKER_03]: But I would like, you couldn't get with somebody that had high-end speed.
25:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
25:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm all right.
25:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Think about your kids here.
25:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
25:59
[SPEAKER_05]: So, it's like, it's a crazy game because in the future you're like, damn, you look at taller women.
26:04
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, okay, you know, I mean, I'm, I said a bread with
26:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I see a rare word out.
26:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it.
26:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I might need to get with somebody that's six pounds, you know, to even it out.
26:16
[SPEAKER_01]: That's too funny.
26:17
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my god.
26:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
26:19
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll leave that right there, big Seth, because I for sure.
26:22
[SPEAKER_05]: My mom's from the same thing.
26:23
[SPEAKER_05]: And she said, boy, you know, shut the hell up.
26:26
[SPEAKER_05]: And he, you know, you might have been a part of the NFL never, it's undrafted documentary.
26:32
[SPEAKER_05]: That series right there, which it was really well done.
26:35
[SPEAKER_05]: But when the two thousand sixteen draft wrote around me, you were indeed drafted as a money doctor select you in a six round.
26:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Talk about what it meant to get that call, you know, because I've know what it meant when I got my call and staff don't say anything about that.
26:48
[SPEAKER_05]: After everything you had overcome, and then we also have to discuss that that sick draft class that you were part of as well.
26:55
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, big staff check this group out right here.
26:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
26:58
[SPEAKER_05]: Every chance on the first round.
26:59
[SPEAKER_05]: David Howard in the second round.
27:01
[SPEAKER_05]: Can y'all drink in the third?
27:03
[SPEAKER_05]: And my man, you can't keep him in the six.
27:05
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a bad ass group.
27:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Bro, talk about that group right there.
27:08
[SPEAKER_03]: That draft class man.
27:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So I played against Xavier Howard, uh, multiple times and man, him knew each other going into the NFL draft.
27:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, he of course he was there bail out with that.
27:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I was at Texas Tech.
27:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we played against each other plenty of times and we knew each other.
27:25
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was always that rivalry right there.
27:26
[SPEAKER_03]: That that that that always sparked it.
27:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Thuncel.
27:29
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my guy, man.
27:31
[SPEAKER_03]: That is my guy.
27:32
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the best tacos in the game, hands down.
27:36
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we got Drake, boy.
27:39
[SPEAKER_03]: That is my boy.
27:40
[SPEAKER_03]: He's one good character, man.
27:42
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a character.
27:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember he used to always tell me, like, he was like, you know, I'm the fastest in our draft class.
27:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, you know, whenever you got drafted and I wouldn't draft it yet.
27:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
28:00
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's about boy.
28:00
[SPEAKER_03]: That was like, and he, man, the ability that he had was incredible.
28:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially his afterburners, it was a wrap.
28:10
[SPEAKER_03]: And as you all seen, he showed it promptly super duper early and he,
28:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and I thought here, I expect them to be one of the top in the game.
28:20
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, but I drive twice was unbelievable.
28:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of us are still still, well, me and Tonsel are still playing until this day.
28:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're just trying to, you know, sort of.
28:32
[SPEAKER_03]: So up for that twenty-six thing, you know, that's how far we can take it.
28:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, Council, you talk about Italian.
28:38
[SPEAKER_05]: He keeps getting given up a boat load for his services back in the day.
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still, he's still re-produced.
28:44
[SPEAKER_05]: He's still re-produced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still
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[SPEAKER_00]: Say, I'm less than you'll.
29:27
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
29:28
[SPEAKER_05]: Seth, you can't, you can't hit this next one.
29:30
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm almost natural from you.
29:31
[SPEAKER_05]: Let me have this and cause, okay.
29:33
[SPEAKER_05]: And here's why, you know, okay.
29:35
[SPEAKER_05]: You always try to gang up with me, you know, with our guests.
29:39
[SPEAKER_05]: All the games always.
29:41
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean?
29:42
[SPEAKER_05]: They'll play in the same big set.
29:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Do not do not play in the same right here, man.
29:46
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you already talked about, you know, the graphic, unjazzy guys like right here, man.
29:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
29:51
[SPEAKER_05]: He had it again and you, you know, you get a green road bullshit that you try to pull off.
29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, green road guys.
29:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Cleveland, I get it.
29:58
[SPEAKER_05]: What's not happening today, man?
29:59
[SPEAKER_05]: How are you going to ask to came about being strictly a return guy during this rookie season when I'm the guy?
30:05
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm the one sitting right here.
30:06
[SPEAKER_05]: That was that guy, Big Seth.
30:08
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm going to say, so yeah, you got it, juice, you take it.
30:13
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a me and you conversation right now, not.
30:17
[SPEAKER_05]: We talked about earlier, you're crazy college numbers.
30:21
[SPEAKER_05]: But when you got here in two thousand sixteen, you mean we had Jarvis Landry.
30:25
[SPEAKER_05]: We had Ivante Parker.
30:26
[SPEAKER_05]: We had Kenny Still.
30:27
[SPEAKER_05]: And still.
30:28
[SPEAKER_05]: So you're opportunity to make the squad really, you know, impact or team, right?
30:32
[SPEAKER_05]: Like me.
30:32
[SPEAKER_05]: Like it was that's the way it was.
30:34
[SPEAKER_05]: I experienced same thing.
30:35
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, when I was a real human, we had every fryer.
30:37
[SPEAKER_05]: We had Mark Ingram.
30:38
[SPEAKER_05]: We had Tony Martin.
30:40
[SPEAKER_05]: So, I wasn't getting any burns at why receiver, but I'm gonna tell you this, that return game was what really, you know, pretty much got me out there dressed every single day, right?
30:50
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
30:50
[SPEAKER_05]: Tell Seth what your mentality was at that time because he doesn't know anything about, yeah, it has zero ideas.
30:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
30:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey.
31:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
31:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
31:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
31:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He says I ain't coming at you.
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a small chance I deserve it, but there's a big chance.
31:07
[SPEAKER_03]: So I, in a return game, my first time ever catching up on it was in an NFL game.
31:13
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is, this is what people do not know.
31:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never caught up on going through high school.
31:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care what.
31:19
[SPEAKER_03]: No nothing until it's on the big stage.
31:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he's seen me.
31:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew for a fact that my ability to be able to get dressed on this fifty three man roster and be planned on Sunday was to be in a return game.
31:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And which being a part returner and an NFL, especially being able to just the ball is probably the, besides the quarterback, it's the hardest thing to do because not only, and I keep, I always tell people this, the receiver skin drop a ball.
31:49
[SPEAKER_03]: DVs can drop a interception.
31:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody can drop a ball where the only person
31:54
[SPEAKER_03]: that if we drop the ball, it's count as a fumble.
31:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Not as a drop pass.
31:59
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not at, oh, you get a redo or anything like that.
32:01
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a fumble.
32:02
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you have to guarantee catch it, if you don't, it's a better be a Peter or a poison call, right?
32:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And you get in the hell away from it, or it's going in the end zone, because if you drop it, it's a fumble and everybody can get on it.
32:15
[SPEAKER_03]: And so when we go into it as a rookie, I'm scared as shit.
32:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Not gonna lie.
32:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I got everybody running at me.
32:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And while I got tells you, I had no trust in to do it in college.
32:27
[SPEAKER_03]: So that fear also transferred over to into the NFL.
32:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm with Dan Rizzi, which absolutely great coach.
32:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably everything I need to know about return game.
32:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was just haste and like my, my rookie season, my rookie year, been a part of the time, up and down, up and down.
32:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like,
32:47
[SPEAKER_03]: And I, and I, I spring won a big one to get the Titans and I'm like, okay, maybe I might be good at this, but it's still up and down.
32:56
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, man, like, if this is the only job that I have, I need to be good at it.
33:01
[SPEAKER_03]: So going over going into that next year.
33:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I called Rizzi, I flew, I think it was Matt Dar at the point at the point of time when everyone was, he was our partner.
33:11
[SPEAKER_03]: He met him and he came and punted to me at Texas Tech, like everything.
33:18
[SPEAKER_03]: We had lunch, we had everything.
33:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, if I'm going to do this and this is my job, I'm going to get good at it.
33:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't need people to, I don't need me because this is my only role on the team.
33:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew that this is my role on the team.
33:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I have Jews in front of me.
33:33
[SPEAKER_03]: They get a hundred catches a season.
33:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
33:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm real with myself.
33:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I know for a fact, I am not playing or less.
33:39
[SPEAKER_03]: One of these guys get hurt and it has to be a slim chance.
33:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we also, you have to understand, we had Leon take a rule that we drafted in a third.
33:47
[SPEAKER_03]: And so if one person goes down,
33:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Leontic crew is up and then I'll be up.
33:51
[SPEAKER_03]: And if somebody else goes down, then I'm up.
33:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm chances of that happen is it's not, it's not really a high chance.
33:58
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, I have to be able to be a dog in this return game.
34:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And so.
34:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And after before practice, after practice, during practice, no matter what, I was catching as many points.
34:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know how many points I've called lean up to now.
34:14
[SPEAKER_03]: All I know is I want to be able to catch the ball and catch the ball and I have to think about catching it.
34:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Knowing that catching it from a left footed pointer and from a right footed pointer.
34:25
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a big difference from catching it and also wind all that stuff plays in the park.
34:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I start getting analysis and I start before the game even start.
34:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I start actually really, is there, is there going to be rain?
34:38
[SPEAKER_03]: If we're playing a South, that weather is, is there going to be rain?
34:42
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, you know, if this is five percent chance rain, probably going rain.
34:47
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, all right, cool.
34:49
[SPEAKER_03]: So I need to know what you're funny.
34:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, sorry, if I need this, like I started to hone in on that craft and trying to be the best that I can be, if of that, you know, of that game.
35:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was just like, you know what, I'm going to perfect my role.
35:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be the best return in the game.
35:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Once I started getting good at it, I was like, there's nobody going to be a better return than me.
35:11
[SPEAKER_03]: no doubt about it.
35:12
[SPEAKER_03]: So you absolutely to be also to let me pick it back off that to be a part of time.
35:17
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to have some sprue smells.
35:22
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to, because I've taken some hits for not calling a fair catch, it's because you're like, and especially, like I said, piggybacks off of this, knowing your role, you, especially teams you don't have that many plays in a game.
35:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you want to maximize your opportunity, the best way you can.
35:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And so especially when the office is not going or getting anything, there's no minimum going out of way, you have to be that momentum changer, you have to be that switch.
35:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that was, that was the road I took on and that was me.
35:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It was definitely you.
35:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Such good stuff.
35:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, all right, I will acquiesce.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: You were the right guy to ask that guy right away.
36:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You were the right guy to ask.
36:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Tell me that.
36:03
[SPEAKER_05]: We already.
36:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it's like to have to make the squad as a return guy, but you can hear something I do know, and it's a dirty little secret in Miami Dolphins history.
36:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Any receiver in the past twenty-five years, who has even sniffed OJ's numbers in the team record books, they get traded, okay?
36:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not lying here.
36:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Chambers was ten, Chris Chambers was ten catches away from jumping juice for fourth all-time in team history.
36:27
[SPEAKER_01]: The next thing you know, he's shipped out to San Diego midseason.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You're guy, Jarvis Landry, right?
36:34
[SPEAKER_01]: He was fifteen catches away in a thousand yards away from juice.
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who you're calling.
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you know, the results are undeniable.
36:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this secret society curse or whatever it is, it also is not limited to receiving.
36:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is something you can probably don't even know.
36:51
[SPEAKER_01]: O.J.
36:51
[SPEAKER_01]: has tied for first all time in Dolphins history with a hundred twenty seven-point returns.
36:55
[SPEAKER_01]: He let you get to one-on-one.
36:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to one-on-one.
36:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow.
36:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you could have got to one twenty seven in twenty twenty one.
37:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
37:02
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know because somebody made the call.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You end up in Chicago.
37:07
[SPEAKER_01]: He was you get a hundred forty nine yards of passing him for fourth all time and put return.
37:11
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like that.
37:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna have to we don't have to make that call.
37:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I make the rolls lie.
37:18
[SPEAKER_03]: We got it.
37:19
[SPEAKER_03]: We got it.
37:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to come back.
37:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Man is in.
37:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I got I need it.
37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I can't make this stuff up.
37:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but there's one thing that, you know, he could stop you from passing him with the dolphins, but nobody could stop you from being productive and you are the dolphins all time return leader in touchdowns, right?
37:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So with with
37:41
[SPEAKER_01]: kick off for turns.
37:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, two, three point.
37:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You never turn up until you get to the NFL and you take three to the house.
37:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So juice.
37:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
37:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He passed you on that one there.
37:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to gather myself.
37:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I know there's a big conspiracy theory.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: But tell us why you were so effective in the return game.
37:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you just did.
37:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was just all that extra work that you did.
38:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But you weren't just good.
38:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't just like, OK, I don't want to fumble the ball.
38:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Once you had to rock in your hand, man, it was it was go time.
38:08
[SPEAKER_03]: So the game we used to play as little kids.
38:11
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is how I look at phone time.
38:12
[SPEAKER_03]: The game we used to play as little kids, um, it's called throw up tackle.
38:16
[SPEAKER_03]: What was it called?
38:17
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but throw up tackle.
38:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
38:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Throw the ball up.
38:21
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like ten people versus one.
38:24
[SPEAKER_03]: One old versus one.
38:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
38:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And so whoever you throw the ball up and whoever picks up the ball is you versus the rest of everybody else.
38:31
[SPEAKER_03]: No change.
38:31
[SPEAKER_03]: No anything.
38:32
[SPEAKER_01]: We call that killed a man with the ball.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: We're calling down today.
38:35
[SPEAKER_03]: There's another one that we can't say nowadays is different names.
38:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
38:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I look at I look at part return like that because everybody knows that on part return you have good black and sometimes you it's is whatever you can do.
38:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey make a miss like that's what we got you back there for and so that's the thing that I wanted to do is be able to make everybody miss but also make it seem like I'm going somewhere.
39:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even when the co say it's a right return
39:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, too.
39:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna go left to make a think that it's a left return, but I know exactly why I need to get back to.
39:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, I think that lead learning and understanding how the covers you then it covers or how strong of a leg that they have in the game.
39:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And I also do all this, like I said, the analysis and everything before I even get to the game.
39:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that whenever I'm in the game, I just let my
39:32
[SPEAKER_03]: athletic ability take over because I've already studied you to the T before.
39:37
[SPEAKER_03]: We even got to the week of playing you.
39:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Once the game is over, and we're doing film review and stuff from the game, I'm already looking at the punner and the covers team.
39:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Who was your best gunner?
39:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Who was this?
39:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And especially like, like, I will say, when we used to play against the Patriots, I always used Matthew Slater.
39:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Was the best gunner that they had?
39:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And we was always gonna double him.
39:58
[SPEAKER_03]: And the funny thing is, and now that I mention it, and Matthew Slater said, they said, um, before I retire, I'm gonna talk to you.
40:08
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, I've tackled probably all the greatest returners that I've ever played against.
40:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And I have not tackled you yet.
40:15
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a home game.
40:16
[SPEAKER_03]: They put the ball and it was up to the right side line.
40:19
[SPEAKER_03]: He was double.
40:20
[SPEAKER_03]: He was double.
40:21
[SPEAKER_03]: It was vice and I wasn't thinking he was going to get off the vice.
40:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And he did and soon I taught it on the sideline.
40:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting to make stick my right leg in the ground and get back to the middle of the field.
40:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And there he is.
40:33
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, I told you.
40:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I told you and I think he retired that next year.
40:38
[SPEAKER_03]: That was it.
40:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Got it.
40:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Come.
40:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Mr. The Company.
40:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Check that.
40:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's it.
40:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, man.
40:44
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was I'll pretty sick about that.
40:46
[SPEAKER_03]: But in order like from me to be for me becoming a good returner, it went into film study.
40:53
[SPEAKER_03]: It was more of the film study.
40:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And then whenever I got to the game as people said, you know, as veterans, let the film study.
41:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's all like it's mental.
41:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I believe it's not just per cent mental.
41:04
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a ten percent physical because
41:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Once you have mentally and prepare for the game and you get to the game, the game is much slower than you think it is.
41:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that was the thing that helped me out a lot is our study, the punters and everything.
41:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm going in and I'm taking the SAT.
41:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, hey, I know exactly where you don't like to put the ball.
41:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I know exactly how far you put the ball, I know it hang time.
41:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I know everything about you.
41:29
[SPEAKER_03]: So, it's awesome.
41:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Whenever I got the ball in my hand, it was, I'll just let it take over and just trust in my teammates.
41:36
[SPEAKER_03]: No, guys.
41:37
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, Sam, couple things he said about permatern and most of them all are accurate.
41:41
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's the toughest catch in football.
41:43
[SPEAKER_05]: It's, but this is, it's easily the toughest catch in football.
41:46
[SPEAKER_05]: Like he talked about so many different variables.
41:48
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's put partner right foot, partner win, no win with the win against the win.
41:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Rain, whatever kind of weather it might be.
41:54
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, you got hang time.
41:56
[SPEAKER_05]: You got distance that you have to worry about all the time.
41:58
[SPEAKER_05]: One thing he did say that I can't relate to is if we got a right return, my slow ass is going right right away.
42:04
[SPEAKER_05]: And I mean, I can't fake your left and then get back.
42:06
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll never get to the wall.
42:07
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna have time for that juice.
42:09
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a different story right there.
42:11
[SPEAKER_05]: But one thing that he can't mess with me with this big set is that I am the fair catch leader.
42:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, time for the motor for the Miami dump.
42:22
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna tell you this.
42:24
[SPEAKER_05]: I ain't gotta worry about trading nobody.
42:26
[SPEAKER_05]: I ain't gonna worry about nobody getting cut.
42:27
[SPEAKER_05]: That one's safe.
42:28
[SPEAKER_05]: Ain't nobody coming for this record.
42:30
[SPEAKER_05]: Ain't nobody coming for this.
42:31
[SPEAKER_05]: This is ninety one fair catch like all.
42:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you know what I mean?
42:34
[SPEAKER_05]: Because I've had some officials coming to me, be like, yo, Jay, I'm gonna need a good fair kiss.
42:40
[SPEAKER_05]: I said, I'm gonna give you a great fair kiss.
42:42
[SPEAKER_03]: You ain't got to work, but I think that kind of like took it over to them now, because I don't think they had a return since I left.
42:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
42:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I mean, if you won't return, you know who to talk.
42:55
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where it is.
42:56
[SPEAKER_03]: You're available for returns.
42:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a free agent.
43:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I love to come home and play for it.
43:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
43:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Hell yeah.
43:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with you.
43:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I love to come back home and and bring some more excitement on every time I get back into the Miami Gardens.
43:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to chase to his fair catch record is what you're saying.
43:14
[SPEAKER_03]: No, absolutely not.
43:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
43:16
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't bring you back for now.
43:18
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't bring you back to come fair catches.
43:20
[SPEAKER_05]: They can do anything.
43:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's good.
43:23
[SPEAKER_05]: We mentioned Devonti Parker earlier, and I need circle back to him.
43:26
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you and Devonti were really close, and it was fun for us to stand, you know, to see that friendship.
43:33
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's kind of like, okay, nephew, right?
43:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
43:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
43:37
[SPEAKER_05]: from the team social media accounts to the cartoon divinity developed by this life.
43:42
[SPEAKER_05]: You guys seem like you are always together.
43:44
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what made the two of you connect like that?
43:47
[SPEAKER_05]: And you guys still maintain that friendship?
43:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
43:49
[SPEAKER_03]: We still talk to this day every day on time to check on his kids and check online.
43:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I check and see how he's doing and stuff like that.
43:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we talk every day.
43:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, on the enough is not a made-up thing for the dolphins.
44:03
[SPEAKER_03]: It was something that just transpired one day he was like,
44:06
[SPEAKER_03]: nephew like that I said what up like that so after that it just it took off it just ran with it and so but I think what made us closer is because he was going through injuries at the time where he was on on the he was on the chopping block on the trading block or whatever right before I believe the Houston games
44:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it was, we only had three receivers up that game.
44:30
[SPEAKER_03]: It was me, Danny Mendole, the Vante Parker, and that's it.
44:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody else was like kind of heard in, and the Vante, I think it was just coming back from like, like a minor or soft tissue injury or something like that.
44:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And everybody was talking about how he's injury prone and how he's this and that and like saying this.
44:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And so as a, as, you know, a professional, like,
44:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we told not to recoments and stuff, but sometimes they get to you.
44:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't care how much of a thick scan you have, sometimes they get to you.
44:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes it hit home.
44:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he was going through it.
45:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, well, you want the best receivers I've ever seen play your dog.
45:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry about it.
45:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Like go out there and show them who you are.
45:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Go out there and ball out.
45:11
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he did against the Texans.
45:13
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't win the game, but he went crazy.
45:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
45:15
[SPEAKER_03]: He went absolutely nuts.
45:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And so going into that after that game, and man, him having that conversation.
45:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And I told him after that, like man, him, we was just locked in from from that that four.
45:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, he was like, came, you always have my back, like, you talked to me and you just motivated me to just, you know, not worry about what the critics say.
45:39
[SPEAKER_03]: just pushed me to be better and just grind.
45:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And so after that, as you can see his career went, this like that.
45:47
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm not saying, like, I'm eating some bread in man.
45:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Take some bread in man.
45:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Take some bread in man.
45:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not taking any of those guys.
45:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, tell your team, we've had some of those guys too, man.
45:55
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
45:56
[SPEAKER_05]: That, you know, you need a positive voice in your ear, man, sometimes because everything else is I didn't have to deal with social media like you guys deal with, man.
46:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
46:03
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
46:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just, I'm the type of brother type.
46:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to see, I just want to see Sean.
46:09
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
46:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I want to see Sean.
46:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see you do, I just want to see you prosper.
46:14
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
46:15
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, and he did that.
46:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And as you can see, after that, that's going to turn into a mad man.
46:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And I loved it.
46:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved seeing it all day, every day.
46:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.
46:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.
46:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So I know I was joking earlier about the secret society that gets guys traded, but the reality is, you know, there's one thing that wasn't a joke, and you did get traded, right?
46:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Jay had nothing to do with it.
46:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to put it out.
46:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, big say.
46:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Jay had nothing to do with it.
46:42
[SPEAKER_03]: But you and your seat be the reason I come back.
46:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
46:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
46:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So look, you were in your six NFL season.
46:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd only been a Miami Dolphin.
46:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Then after four games, you find out that you were in Detroit at the Chicago.
46:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious when that happens in the middle of the season, go, Guy, do you get any kind of explanation?
46:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it just, hey, it's been great?
47:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You're heading to Chicago, pack your things, do you get, you know,
47:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just wondering how that works out, how it impacted you, but then ultimately it worked out pretty dang well because you finished that season in the provol.
47:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And that I have to imagine for everything that you overcame in life, there had to be some real validation to get that provol on that.
47:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, yeah, it was, it was a pretty rocky start going into that season.
47:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Me and coast flows kind of button here, so I see me coming.
47:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want it to happen.
47:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Me, Chris Guerrero, none of the people that wanted to happen.
47:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I developed a lot of relationships at the dolphins, from the train of staff to the kitchen, to the, you know, every, I'm going to talk about all around the building.
47:39
[SPEAKER_03]: And Guerrero is, I'm talking about, I still, I still talk to them to this day.
47:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the guy.
47:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just hated that I had to leave.
47:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And so no, I did not, I knew that it was coming up because we had previous conversations about it, especially with my agent.
47:55
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, it was to a point where, you know, I wasn't even getting any type of returns and, and wasn't playing really too much on the offense.
48:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was just like,
48:06
[SPEAKER_03]: It was one of those things like, if I want my career to go in the right path that I wanted to go in, I have to leave.
48:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's not somewhere.
48:14
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not I want to do.
48:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to retire a dolphin and be a dolphin for life.
48:20
[SPEAKER_03]: And I ended up going to getting traded to Chicago.
48:25
[SPEAKER_03]: They basically, you know, uh, coast stage basically gave me the green light to where Steph Curry can shoot from anywhere on the port.
48:34
[SPEAKER_03]: He gave me the green light to aged King.
48:36
[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to bring them all out, not deep, you better make sure you get past the twenty twenty five.
48:41
[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
48:44
[SPEAKER_03]: He just welcomed me with open arms and it was more of like I can play free.
48:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I can do whatever I want to do.
48:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I can play that the game that I told you through a taco unless let's rock and roll and so and that's where you see where it's time for I'm kissing ball at the three taking this to the house doing this doing like I can play free and so he gave me that opportunity.
49:06
[SPEAKER_03]: The only thing he said was look to him unless you play free but just be smart, okay?
49:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Fair no, that's what and man, I'm waiting
49:15
[SPEAKER_03]: made and made history together.
49:18
[SPEAKER_05]: That's awesome.
49:18
[SPEAKER_05]: This is smart, man.
49:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Seth, I mean, it is nothing worse than, you know, your defense gets a three and out and you put it on the turf where you make it nervous back there.
49:29
[SPEAKER_05]: There's just nothing there.
49:30
[SPEAKER_01]: You can have to be hard to go back and look at those guys.
49:32
[SPEAKER_01]: They're running back on the field.
49:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, my rookie season, I tried to, so I had already muffled one, but I recovered it.
49:39
[SPEAKER_03]: My legacy, it was just San Diego.
49:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm running back and it was he out kick this coverage and I'm muffled again and they they were covering like on the thick like the five or something and I almost lost this again, but I think it was a deep I one of our DBs at the time called it intersection in the back of his own and we had those went in the game or whatever but I was I was like I was going to tell you the up and down and like I'm like now make a play and next thing.
50:08
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm I must build up so
50:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Jacob, if you've learned nothing else from this episode, as O.J.
50:13
[SPEAKER_01]: McDuffee would tell you, remember, the fair catch is always an option.
50:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
50:18
[SPEAKER_03]: If you bring me back to Miami Gardens, the fair catch, I think I would just go somewhere.
50:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to come back for the return, the kick, the part returns.
50:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.
50:31
[SPEAKER_05]: Fair enough.
50:32
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
50:34
[SPEAKER_05]: We wrap up every episode with two fun segments we have.
50:37
[SPEAKER_05]: The first of which is what we call a fish tank numberology.
50:41
[SPEAKER_05]: You wore number eleven in college, but with the dolphins, of course, we all know you as number nineteen.
50:46
[SPEAKER_05]: What's the story behind your numbers?
50:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
50:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I didn't pick number eleven going into Texas tank.
50:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I won number three, but as you know, seniority gets the first peak.
50:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I won number three, uh, word number three in, uh, in high school.
50:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I won number three going into Texas tank, but they gave it to a senior that was coming up and he said, he, he won number three, did not even play.
51:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Was absolutely terrible.
51:12
[SPEAKER_03]: We got a little tip on it.
51:14
[SPEAKER_05]: We got a little tip on it, big step.
51:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna find it.
51:16
[SPEAKER_03]: It was absolutely terrible.
51:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And I had to wear double-leave it.
51:20
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Zang, the equipment guy, he was like, you can't even tell you one thing.
51:24
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, because I'm just doing what the coaches tell me to do.
51:28
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
51:29
[SPEAKER_03]: The number doesn't make the guy the guy makes the number.
51:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
51:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, all right.
51:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
51:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I take number eleven.
51:36
[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't change it after that.
51:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Going on to that when I first made the number what it was is a big the guy like my career has always been this.
51:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I started off on special teams.
51:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I big the coach on special teams.
51:49
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole season.
51:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I was the all-stay kickoff from Turner.
51:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Please put me back on a kickoff turn.
51:54
[SPEAKER_03]: The first time you put me back there, I'm going to house it.
51:57
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I'm gonna get your chance.
51:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna get your chance.
51:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna get your chance.
51:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Never did.
52:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Never did.
52:00
[SPEAKER_03]: So...
52:02
[SPEAKER_03]: The kick returner, I think it was Ben McCroy at the time.
52:06
[SPEAKER_03]: He went back there and he called the ball.
52:08
[SPEAKER_03]: He fumbled it.
52:09
[SPEAKER_03]: It was going to get some bail.
52:10
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, you came out.
52:12
[SPEAKER_03]: It just feels right.
52:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't let me down.
52:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Call the ball.
52:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Took it to the house.
52:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Other than he was like, I know I came back to him.
52:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I told you.
52:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I told you.
52:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, you got it.
52:22
[SPEAKER_03]: You got the job from there on out.
52:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Then going into the NFL, get drafted by the dolphins and they gave me a number choice.
52:29
[SPEAKER_03]: gave me like, sixteen or all the things they said, nineteen.
52:33
[SPEAKER_03]: That was like, and they told me that was like, you don't want to pick number nineteen because usually that number nineteen number nineteen has occurred.
52:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody has nineteen doesn't stay as a Miami Dolphin.
52:44
[SPEAKER_03]: They either get traded or anything.
52:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Or they don't do good at with the number nineteen.
52:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, and I told my agent, he was like, what number do you want?
52:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, well, nineteen.
52:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
52:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I want nineteen and then even when I got nineteen and I've seen the comments there's like oh he's not gonna be here long.
53:02
[SPEAKER_03]: He picked a big nineteen number nineteen never last long with the dolphins like that and I was like okay I'll take number nineteen
53:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's messed up is so we just had to get in junior on a couple weeks ago and ten more nineteen and he was only here three years and and we talked about his career in the way things went and didn't go.
53:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was also a spectacular returner.
53:25
[SPEAKER_01]: He had three to returns for touchdowns.
53:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So in the return game, nineteen is done pretty well.
53:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
53:31
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
53:33
[SPEAKER_01]: There are fair catches too good.
53:36
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
53:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Last segment you came.
53:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you got to get out of here.
53:39
[SPEAKER_01]: We end every episode of the podcast the same way.
53:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the fish tank two minute drill.
53:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're kind of like give me the ball one time.
53:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take it to the house.
53:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need all the two minutes.
53:49
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can manage the clock.
53:50
[SPEAKER_01]: However you want.
53:51
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a few fast paced questions for you.
53:53
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have some fun.
53:54
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get you out of here.
53:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Sound good.
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Jews, you're up.
53:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir.
53:58
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
53:59
[SPEAKER_05]: At your Texas Tech Pro Day, you were clawed digitally with a four point three, four, forty, but one scout can time to look for one, three.
54:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
54:11
[SPEAKER_05]: What time was accurate?
54:12
[SPEAKER_05]: Four, one.
54:13
[SPEAKER_04]: I never had a four, three, six, I've been in college.
54:15
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm talking about.
54:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I ran the fourth three when I was in high school.
54:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trained.
54:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I trained my butt off to run the fourth one and I and I shaded weight I was like barely one sixty so I knew for a fact I was I was going to be flying like I went out there and I was warming up and I was just golfing with the scout that what the scout that was at my protein
54:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And I went out there and I was just I wasn't even warm didn't even stretch and I was just like y'all been through a forty I was just working on my start time and just like finishing through and he was like doing your like little trial run and you didn't even stretch.
54:51
[SPEAKER_03]: He said I clung to you at like a four three and that was that wasn't even you wasn't even running you was just like just going through your like dry phases and stuff like that and he was like I already knew that you were about to do something crazy so so
55:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Four one three is what he's going with for the first time a little segment set.
55:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I should have been a combat he'd break their foot break the forty record a combine.
55:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's a great point.
55:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who that was running in the clock over the test.
55:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That's another question.
55:19
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to get the Zach with that.
55:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So all right, I've wanted to ask you this.
55:23
[SPEAKER_01]: In twenty twenty we noticed that you went from being jacquim grant to jacquim grant senior.
55:28
[SPEAKER_01]: But junior was born back when you were in college, right?
55:31
[SPEAKER_01]: We already established this.
55:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So what sparked the change while the sun you became jacquim grant senior?
55:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I was trying to get it put on my jersey earlier, but I didn't know that you had to go in.
55:43
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to get it put on the driver license.
55:44
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to do this.
55:45
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to do all the other credentials to get it put on your what's the name for the NFL to approve it.
55:52
[SPEAKER_03]: But also what made me do it is because one of my favorite projects on up was Steve Smith.
55:57
[SPEAKER_03]: was wondering if that's something to see when from Steve Smith to Steve said senior and so I was like, and let's don't, and so that also made me want to do that as well.
56:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering if that okay.
56:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, clock is running.
56:10
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
56:11
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, Kim, like Dominic Wilkins, you've been a human highlight real throughout your career, but of all the big plays you've made in your career, which is your favorite?
56:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say the return against the ramps, not even the one against the packers, but the return against the ramps, because going into it, he didn't allow a return in years or whatever.
56:33
[SPEAKER_03]: He came to me, doing the pre-game said, and you're not gonna get a return from me today.
56:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
56:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Punish talking trash.
56:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
56:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, I said, well, you better punish out of bounds.
56:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He left it in.
56:46
[SPEAKER_03]: He left it in a middle of the field.
56:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
56:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Too good.
56:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to be the title of this episode.
56:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to keep you better, pun it out of bounds.
56:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
56:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Last question.
56:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We started this show with a question.
56:58
[SPEAKER_01]: We also asked Albert Wilson.
56:59
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do the same thing.
57:00
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to end it the same way.
57:02
[SPEAKER_01]: We asked him this question as well.
57:04
[SPEAKER_01]: If juice and I set up a two by two hundred race, it's you and Albert Wilson and you're racing Tyree Hill and Jalen Waddle.
57:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's in their prime who takes home the goal.
57:15
[SPEAKER_01]: We do, of course, one hundred percent.
57:17
[SPEAKER_01]: No hesitation.
57:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going, I'm going against, I'm going against Rick.
57:20
[SPEAKER_03]: He got, he got water.
57:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I got revenge.
57:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, man, no fear.
57:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, time, Rick was supposed to race since we'd been in college.
57:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And right now, you got an edge.
57:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I had three surgeries.
57:30
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and you're still ready.
57:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still ready.
57:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still ready.
57:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm letting him race.
57:34
[SPEAKER_03]: No allows.
57:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And I shall speed.
57:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Three major surgeries.
57:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Like all the odds are against me.
57:48
[SPEAKER_03]: So you got it.
57:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's, it's it.
57:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no reason you should lose that is the two-minute drill.
57:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Two fun.
57:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You came Grant Senior put it on this jersey.
57:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, this was a lot of fun.
58:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You came really, really enjoyed it, bro.
58:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
58:03
[SPEAKER_05]: I appreciate you.
58:04
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm having a thanks for diving into King.
58:06
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no problem.
58:16
[SPEAKER_04]: This is strictly for them to make up and number one.
58:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Of course.