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The following program is produced by the tech Talk Radio Network. Everybody, this
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is Gary Ho Ho Holy, and you are hanging out with tech Talk Radio
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in Joy. Welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor,
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I'm Matt Jones, and I'm justin lemme. You know, last week
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we started off with a note that we had gotten from Lou regarding getting his
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kid a computer. And yeah, I had him listen to the segment,
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but I haven't heard what he decided to do yet, But some great suggestions
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there, Stu set us a note said one of the things that we missed
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when we talked about building your own system, and I didn't even think about
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this. We never mentioned that if you build your own system, you've got
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to think about a monitor as well. But then I thought, well,
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whether you're buying a pre built or you're building your own, you've got to
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think about a monitor. And he wanted to know, you know, if
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we are going to go with a monitor and you get yourself a gaming rig,
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is it important to get one that is made for gaming, like,
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you know, the high refresh rate, the whole bit. Oh yeah,
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or can you just use any old monitor? You can use any old monitor.
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Like, if you're just like a kid dnking around. But if you're
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looking to get the best out of your setup, if you're looking to get
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the most visually from that money you just spent, then yeah, I'd be
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looking at like a fourteen forty p monitor with really fast refresh RT in a
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low response time. If you're gonna build a gaming PC, top of the
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line, best motherboard, best processor, best graphics card, and then you
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go with just a regular rold off the shelf one hundred dollars monitor, that's
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like getting like a high performance sports car like a McLaren and putting e eighty
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five gas into it. Why you're you're just you're just handcuffing yourself. Get
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yourself a decent monitor. They're not super expensive. But yeah, well you
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mentioned that. I mean you you go to any like Office Depow or Best
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Buy and you look on the shelf and you're going to see a monitor for
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ninety eight dollars up to one hundred and fifty. I remember when I was
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in the market for a forty nine inch curved monitor, and I had three
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that just were bad out of the box, and wow, I gave up
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and I went with a smaller curve screen. But I think I did a
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Instead of going with forty nine inch, I ended up going with a thirty
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seven and I'm pretty pleased with it. But now they have some out that
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the refresh rate is amazing. Does that make a difference when you're playing these
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games? Refresh rate makes a difference when it comes to like if there's a
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lot of fast moving artifacts on your screen, because the higher the refresh rate,
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the smoother it's gonna look. But honestly, the size is not really
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a huge factor that you should be looking into. You should be looking into
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refresh rate and an overall resolution. Like Matt said, the fourteen forty P
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or even a four K. Four K gaming with a four K monitor is
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the top of the line, but it is extremely expensive to go all the
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way with four K gaming. You're gonna have the best of the best graphics
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card, best of the best monitor. So really just fourteen basically they call
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it two K is just fine. In my opinion, what's better? DisplayPort
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or HDMI? What should you use if you have that DisplayPort? I would
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argue they're almost identical. Now, I don't think it really makes much of
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a difference. If I were to choose myself personally, I'd probably say DP
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display port DisplayPort, but HDMI, I think is now just as good.
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So there's also a side aspect to that. HDMI when it was created is
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a proprietary technology of I want to say, Samsung and two other companies.
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They created HDMI and then they basically patented it, so anytime it was used
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they got a chunk of the profits. DisplayPort was all the other companies basically
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getting together and creating a new input standard because there can't be enough cables on
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the face of this planet to do something that was basically the same but more
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of an open source solution. When I plug in HDMI, I actually there's
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functionality my monitors that I don't have, but with my LGS, when I
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plug in DisplayPort, then I can kick on free sync or whatever is baked
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in your monitor. Free sinc Is the AMD version in Nvidia has their own.
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They're basically there was a point where they were not compatible with each other,
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and enough people yelled at the monitor people being like I want this monitor,
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but I don't have an AMD card. So now they're basically compatible,
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you know, with each other. It'll say one but it's doing the same
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thing whatever your graphics card is, but those engines that are baked into the
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monitors. I don't get any of that with my HDMI. I have to
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use my DisplayPort. I would probably recommend if lou is hopefully listening again to
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this week's show for the follow up on this, probably not spending too much
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depending on the system that he gets, but not definitely going with the lowest
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end, and I think getting one that will use a DisplayPort if you're getting
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a graphics card that has DisplayPort out, which if you're getting a higher and
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graphics card, you're going to find that. So you're looking probably mid range,
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what about three fifty four hundred? Yeah, I think the ones that
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I'm running their lgs. They're thirty two inches both of them. They're fourteen
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forty P and I think I paid right around three for them. And I
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mean even when I'm doing high intensity games with lots lots of artifacts, lots
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of moving parts, it looks great. They're the monitors I use when I
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stream on Twitch Like. I have zero complaints with these, and they weren't
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that expensive. I want to give a shout out to a company that I've
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actually been working with professionally that I buy a lot of their products from.
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It's called Evergreen Electronics, and they are a refurbished company. They get a
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lot of returns and things like that, like a lot of Dell's hps,
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but they refurbish those things and they sell them at a discount. And I've
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been buying a lot of mon from them. I buy them from you know,
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our government account through work. But I can get a standard twenty four
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inch Dell. It's not four K, it's not even fourteen forty p but
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just like a standard decent Dell for like one hundred and twenty bucks. Not
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bad. Yeah, that's not bad. And they do have some of the
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higher end stuff. So if you're, you know, budget conscious, I
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would check out. I think it's the Evergreen Electronics dot com is the website.
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One of the I'll tell you one of the things I did like about
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the Samsung the G nine that I looked at the forty nine inch curve screen
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that I don't get with the smaller screen that I have, which is made
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by that one's an LG. One of the things that I loved was the
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fact that you could add because I had a two monitor setup monitor one monitor
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two. But with this forty nine inch curve screen, you can actually replicate
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two screens on this forty nine inch curve screen, so it's like having you
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can drag from one to the other. Then you would be like going from
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one screen to the other screen. And it made it. It made it
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super nice, and I like that, and it was just bummed that I
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had so many issues with them. One of them right out of the box,
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and that's you know, that's shipping. That's not necessarily But after the
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third ride has said no, I'm not going to go that route. However,
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I would not recommend to lou to get the new ARC, which I
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don't know. If you guys have seen the Arc, you're shaking your head.
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Bat that would be a little overkill. It's a fifty five inch curved
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monstrousity fifty five inch or twenty seven inch screens on itself. This thing is
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so Titanic that they built well, looks like a DOC that's just the freaking
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control unit for it. It sits outside of it on your desk with its
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own little selector wheel. They had to take the electronics out of it and
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put it in a different box. It is. It is massive, I
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had a former coworker that would sit at his desk at work and he had
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a sixty inch television mounted to his cubicle. First off, I don't even
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know how in the heck he was able to mount a sixty inch television to
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his cubicle. Yeah, but that was his monitor, and that thing was
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well, yeah, lots of duct tape, lots of zip ties. This
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thing was a four K television and he was running with a four K display
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and he would just run. Now, granted, he was like a network
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admin, so he wasn't doing like video games and stuff, but he would
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have seven web pages open, he would have fifteen different command prompts and SSH
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terminals opened up, and it was amazing. Like he would sit there and
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he would be reclining so far back in his seat because he had to view
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this. And he was only like two feet away from from the screen.
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And I just walked by his desk and I'm like, what in the heck,
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Like, how are you even able to see? This? Is so
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bad for your eyes. He's like, yeah, I don't care. I
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have like a couple of customers that have done that where they actually use a
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regular TV instead of you know, a computer monitor, and they're pretty happy
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with them because you go out and buy a seventy inch television for around five
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hundred bucks now maybe even cheaper. Now, what is what is the downside?
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Well, does anybody know what is the downside of using a television versus
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a monitor? I did it for years? Did you do it? Yeah?
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I did it for hold on, I got to think through apartments because
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that's how I make your time. Oh my god, did it for like
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four years. I had a forty two inch flat screen TV with one hundred
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and twenty Heitz refresh rate that I got for dirt cheap, and I used
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it as a monitor and I had no issues. I had no complaints.
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The only thing I had to go in was I had to tweak like one
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setting on the TV itself, and that kind of like snapped everything into place.
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Otherwise there was that little bit of overreach on the sides. Right once
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everything snapped in place, Like I had a forty two inch monitor mounted to
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a wall, so I had all that desk space resigned. So why are
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monitors much more expensive than TVs then? Because nowadays, I mean this was
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pre twenty twenty, This was I mean, I think I stopped doing that
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probably about it was about five years ago. I want to say I had
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stopped, But I mean for most people, like one hundred and twenty herz
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refresh rate or KTV that you can get for dirt people will work just fine.
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But if you're looking for like one hundred and forty four hertz one millisecond
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response and all that stuff, you're not going to find that in a TV.
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Right. The only time I remember seeing that besides the Samsung monstrosity.
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That's right, Samsung, come after me. It's a monstrosity at Please don't
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actually come after me. You run the area. Yeah, you're gonna put
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you in the next episode of Squid Game. If I was in Squid Game,
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I'd have just tripped on purpose in the first game. As soon as
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I saw somebody get dropped, I had just been like, nope, I'm
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out. But there was a time where god, who was it? Somebody
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made like they called it like the big frame or oh yeah something, yeah,
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and do you know what I'm talking about? And I actually featured the
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product on television. Well, Netgear, I believe they have one. It's
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a frame. It's like a piece of art. No, No, it
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was Samsung who created the frame TVs. But these were specifically like fifty five
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inch giant screens with all the same tech as a gaming monitor baked into.
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Oh wow, okay now, but they were like, were this fifty five
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inch gaming monitors that we know you're absolutely going to love as you slowly go
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blind from the brightness. We only charged the low low price of forty five
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hundred dollars. Wow, And I'm like, listen, man, a good
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chunk of us live in our parents' basement and do not have that type of
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we need to throw around. So now I live in my own basement is
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where I'm broadcasting from. But no, like, are you kidding me?
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Like? So it was Lou, right, Lou, just mid grade gaming
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monitor for your kid. Great way to go. Unlike components inside the computer,
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a monitor is the easiest thing to upgrade because you can plug it,
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eat it through a window, unplug your new one, well, unpack your
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new one, and put it on your desk. It's pretty easy, you
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upgraded, Yeah, yeah, pretty eat it through a window. Now,
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there was one thing, if I know, I've been talking for a bit,
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but I want to circle back on something right that I felt would be
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kind of a disservice last week when we were talking about building machines and we're
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talking about skimping out on certain components, Like, you don't want to skimp
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out on a monitor, you don't want to skimp out on this. The
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one most common component people will skimp out on is the power supply. Oh
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God, power, and the one absolute part you should never, ever,
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ever, five hours later, ever ever skimp out on a few moments later.
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If you moments letail is your power supply? Yeah, most we'll go,
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what four hundred wats because it's it's cheap. Oh, that is not
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even close to being good anymore. That's thousand minimum thousand. Well, basically
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what you want to look at is the eighty rating. Is it eighty plus
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silver, eighty plus gold, eighty plus platinum. Do not buy like some
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you know, cheap seven hundred watt power supply. Oh, it's going all
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the connectors on you and it's like thirty bucks. And when it fries,
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because it will, it's gonna take place a lot of them. It's gonna
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fry your whole box. Yeah. And if you and that's if you're lucky,
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it might you know, I don't know set the whole thing on fire.
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Yeah, exactly, catch fire. Yeah yeah yeah. Don't skip out
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in the power supply. Always buy a decent power supply when you're building your
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tower. I would say the eighty rating eighty and it'll say it on the
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box like eighty gold for me is the bare minimum. Make sure you're buying
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the right wattage for your machine with a What does the eighty mission? Eighty
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is the reliability rating? Why is it? Well, you seem to be
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smart about this. I was just wondering if you knew. I seem to
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be smart. That's why people like assome I'm smart. It's a clever trick
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on my side, ything. I was curious. Yeah, now, well
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I tell you what. No, I'll look it up. But yeah,
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like that the eighty rating, you want to go with at least a gold.
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I know I've been talking a lot. I'm sorry, I'll get off
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my soapbox, but it is. It is. Literally, if the CPU
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is the brain of your machine, the power supply is the heart. Do
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you buy a cheap Chinese knockoff off the shelf heart, you will die.
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I have been pretty happy with Corsair in their power supplies and I have purchased
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the thousand watt machine, which actually that power supply died on me. I
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ended up and then I ended up going down to an eight fifty and I
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was very or an eight hundred. I was very happy with that same manufacture
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because it was out of warranty. But but a lot of people are confused
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as far as what is needed. Now what I would recommend. I don't
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know about you, Matt or Justin, but when it comes to figuring out
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what your system will require, you can go to the website for the manufacture
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of whatever power supply you're looking at, from whatever company, and you can
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enter that information and it will tell you what you should be getting, and
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you know you don't have to go and buy the one thousand watt. And
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I would recommend modular all the time because all the time, Yeah, because
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if you're gonna build, you want to you want to have that capability to
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run the cables and use only the cables that need Also, PC part Picker
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will do that for you. If you're building a computer with PC park Picker,
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when you go to pick your graphics card and your processor and all that,
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it takes into account the wattage required by each of those components. And
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if you go and try to put a six hundred what power supply, it's
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gonna it's gonna market red and say, uh, this ain't enough. And
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another part of that is, again, your graphics card is gonna take the
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biggest chunk of your power. If you are going to go with a high
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end in Nvidia or even an AMD card, You're gonna need a lot of
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wattage. I would really honestly recommend that you don't go below a thousand watts.
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Honestly, just get a thousand what power supply. I'm actually they're not
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that much more than eight hundred. I'm gonna disagree with that based on my
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current rig I have an AMD ninety eight fifty XD, not ninety eight sixty
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eight sixty eight fifty sixty one hundred XT, and I'm only rocking I think
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like a seven to fifty watt. I'm completely okay. But to circle back
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to Justin's earlier question, eighty plus is a voluntary certification program launched in two
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thousand and four. What it basically denotes is that to qualify for eighty plus,
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a power supply must achieve at least an eighty percent efficiency at three specific
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loads, which is twenty fifty and one hundred percent of a maximum rated power
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and how you do in that affects whether you get an eighty plus or the
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bronze, silver, gold, platinum, or titanium levels. For example,
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an eighty plus bronze is eighty two percent efficient at the twenty percent power load,
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versus an eighty plus titanium is ninety two percent efficient power load. Okay,
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that makes a less of sense. You're paying for efficiency and the efficiency
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is a direct relation of component and real liability. All right, big question
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from Laurie. We got this one on Facebook, and I think we've got
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a few minutes to handle this one said, I'm worried I don't have antivirus
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protection. I've listened to your show and once in a while you'll have a
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guest on talking about this. However, I know I have Windows Defender.
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Who is that enough? Or with all the free choices, should I pay
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for something like Norton or e Set? But I'm really confused of what I
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should do because I don't feel protected. Yes, you should be paying I
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would recommend Set. I have to disagree with you on that one. Well
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you are you go Wait, are you seriously gonna sit here and recommend Norton?
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Yeah, oh my god, there was a point I'm disagreeing with both
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of you. Yeah, there was a point where I'll tell you about Norton
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where I did not like it because there was so much bloating on it,
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and I went, I went e Set, and I like Eset. I
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still like e Set, However, with the plan that I ended up getting,
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and I ended up paying for it, and I pay like one hundred
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and nineteen a year, I could protect up the five pecs. I know
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I've got I've got the research behind Semantek, so I feel safer with that.
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So I went with that, And I know that's not what everybody's gonna
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do. You know, I don't like the nagging that I do get with
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Norton, and that comes with you know, buy this, buy this,
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you could buy this, add on this, the whole bit. But I
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now, I'm very interested to see what Matt is thinking Norton. Hey,
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Andy, Yeah, did you know your subscription is going to expire in two
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years? My god, man, that's around the corner. Please give us
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more money today. You're reminding, Yes, you're reminding. Is that your
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Stewie impression. That was pretty good. No, but I can do with
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Stuwie if you want me to do this whole next segment is the whole next
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commentary as Stewie, the whole next time I can talk is Stewie. That's
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fine. What the deuce? So for me? And before anyone jumps down
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my throat in the comments after the show and says I don't know what I'm
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talking about. You're gonna say Windows Defender. No, I have a CISSP,
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which is a Certified Information System Security Professional. I am a senior cloud
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security engineer, and most of my coworkers and I only use Windows Defender.
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Oh my, really really because initially, when okay, initially, when Windows
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Defender came out, it was the equivalent of trying to stop a runaway freight
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train with three pieces of wet tissue paper, right exactly, exactly, that's
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a good analogy. It was just like the Malware's comedy, just like it's
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okay, buddy, I've got you covered, and you're just sitting there like
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this is gonna end absolutely horribly and probably with my death. But I use
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Windows Defender on all my machines in my house and just to be on the
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safe side, I run about once a month I run a malwar byte scam
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just to double check, and I don't get anything. And you also have
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to remember that the Windows Defender, the money that they're putting in, is
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not just Windows Defender for you. It is Windows Defender for Microsoft through sixty
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five. It is Windows Defender for Microsoft. Is sure all the money they're
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pouring into Windows Defender is the Windows Defender, the blackdamn thing. It's the
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whole ecosystem that it uses that goes across commercial, government and enterprise and consumer.
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I have not had any issues with it. I don't pay a cent
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for it, and it works just fine. Okay, but here's one caveat
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to that. You are a cybersecurity professional. You also know what websites not
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to visit and things when the average Joe or average Jane whatever may not understand,
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Hey, I probably should go to this website it says Amazon Prime dot
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com. Yeah, maybe I shouldn't go to that website because that's obviously not
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the right website. But you know that as a professional, So you're not
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visiting those same websites that maybe people that are I don't want to say,
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less smart, but just less less unexperienced savvy, let's savvy with with the
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cybersecurity as yourself. So that that's something to consider though as well. Now
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I'm not saying that Microsoft vendor is bad, but you also, like I
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said, you understand what not to go visit, and it is something to
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consider. But most people in the US use the browser that just comes with
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their machine. And you know, for the longest time that was Internet Explorer.
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If you looked at a map for ages about most popular browser used in
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the country, we held the market on Internet Explore. Well, we finally
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put a bullet in that bad boy and let him die the death that should
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have happened. Yeah, before there was a one or a two in our
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year I'm talking like two thousand, that thing should have been done. But
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Microsoft Edge, which is actually surprisingly robust now but I still don't use it
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for my own personal preferences, links into Windows Defender and I'm actually looking at
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it right now. You don't only have device security, firewall network control.
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They do have app and browser control, which includes reputation based protection, settings,
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isolated browsing if you really need something like that and exploit protection built into
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it. So if you try to go to those sites with Defender, you
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are occasionally going to get a pop up that's like, hey Prime dot Amazon
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dot Primeamazon dot com is actually not how you get to Amazon dot com.
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So I don't think you want to go here, right right, all right,
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So here we go. We got justin, said me, Norton,
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and you sticking with the Windows Defender. I don't know if that's going to
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confuse Laurie even more, but maybe she's on the right track. Just to
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be careful while she's browsing. Most important part, Laurie, No matter what
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you do, just don't get kiss Bursky or or what's the other one,
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vaz or McAfee. Yeah, yeah, all right, we got to take
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a break. Coming up a couple of great guests. We're going to talk
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with Kim Caldwell, a cybersecurity expert. She's written a new book, Hacker
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Culture A two Z. It's a pretty amazing book. And again, uh,
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we'll have links available on our website for that. We're gonna be talking
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about digital safety and as it applies to your kids, and do you as
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well, your own Litwin chief marketing officer at Canopy. You've got kids want
24:32
to help keep them protected on their devices, or want to keep your eyes
24:34
from seeing stuff that maybe you don't want to see. We'll be doing that
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when we come back with tech Talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Matt
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Jones, and I'm justin. Let me quick shout out to my coworker.
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Shout out LORII, who's been listening my coworker, Laurie. I know we
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just had a question for Lorie. I don't think it's the same one.
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Hey, Laurie, Hi, Lauriay, Luri Luri. Thank you for listening,
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LORI, and you can find us on the web a tech talk radio
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dot com. We'll be right back and now back to tech talk Radio.
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So I read a book recently that opened my eyes. I realized that in
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the media, it's so easy to say it was hackers, it was hackers
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that stole this, or hackers that did this, and that's who we want
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to blame right away, and you hear it everywhere in movies, television and
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of course news, when that's not necessarily the case. And my eyes were
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open recently, and all in part to Kim Crawley, who has put together
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a book through O'Reilly Press, Hacker Culture a to Z A fun guide to
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the people, ideas, and gadgets that made the tech world and Kim joined
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us. Thank you so much for coming on the show. It's great to
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be here. Thank you Andy Kim. When did you really realize that the
25:47
term hacker was applied generally across the board to everything from people who can kind
25:53
of fix things and work with things to cyber criminals. I think when I
25:57
was a teenager, I believed the colloquial meaning of hacker, which you know,
26:03
people associate the term with cybercriminal, and that's usually what the media goes
26:07
with. I think in my twenties, as my life started to turn in
26:11
the direction that my career went in, that's when I started getting my feet
26:17
wet. As far as understanding hacker culture is concerned, the origin of the
26:21
word hacker is really quite fascinating, and I do mention it in my book
26:25
Acker Culture a Disease. The origin actually dates back to the nineteen sixties and
26:30
to MIT's Tech Model Railroad Club, which was a bunch of nerds who mainly
26:37
tinkered around with model trains and whatnot, but they also played around with electronics
26:44
and with the computers that existed in the nineteen sixties, and the nineteen sixties
26:48
was long before the personal computer, so the computers that people use back then
26:53
had to be shared with a lot of other people. And of course,
26:56
MIT, being one of the top tech schools, had their own PDP ten
27:03
and the big IBM. Some of them were mainframes, some of them were
27:10
mini computers. But many computer would be a misnomer to people today because it's
27:15
not a small computer. It meant not a room size computer, a refrigerator
27:19
size computer. So these extremely nerdy people, if they came up with a
27:25
clever trick, they called that a hack. So if you were able to
27:29
do those things, you were a hacker. My understanding of the word hacker,
27:33
and the understanding and hacker culture in general is someone who finds new and
27:38
inventive uses of technology that could sometimes be harmful. So if you use technology
27:45
to harm, you're a cyber attacker. So you know, you can be
27:48
a hacker and a cyber attacker. There's a lot more nuanced and complexity to
27:52
determine lay people are aware of now, Kim, we hear a lot about
27:56
dark web, which you know right away that's what we picture. Is there
28:00
really a dark web? For a people listening that they have never gone to
28:06
that area, is there? Oh? Absolutely. The dark web actually is
28:11
built on technology that was actually developed by the US government, well not directly,
28:18
but by US government agencies. There are proxy networks, So the more
28:22
popular one is called tor as in the Onion router, and then a less
28:27
popular one is called itop. But if you connect to either of these networks,
28:33
you can access to the normal part of the web through a tour browser
28:38
or a web browser. Specifically for itop, you need a special web browser
28:44
in order to access this. But the parts of the web or the Internet
28:48
that you cannot access without those proxy networks, that is what we call the
28:53
dark web. Well, the web part is called the dark web. You
28:56
can call the Internet part in general the dark The book kind of goes into
29:02
this, doesn't it. Absolutely. The existence of this technology in and of
29:06
itself is perfectly legal, just as my lighter is perfectly legal. But committing
29:11
arsenal with it is People do use the anonymity or relative ahim I mean,
29:17
nothing is perfect to they do take advantage of that to commit crimes. So
29:22
there are sites on the dark web where people sell illegal drugs and malware and
29:27
stuff like that, and some like really legal stuff that's much worse than those
29:32
things. Some of the lawful uses, like a lot of mainstream websites actually
29:37
have a version that's only accessible by tour. I think Facebook is one of
29:41
them. I think there's one for BBC News. So one lawful application of
29:48
these technologies is, for instance, if you are a journalist and you are
29:55
in a hostile area and you don't want your courageous journalism to be intercepted by
30:02
hostile parties, you could use the tour network or the ITP network. And
30:07
so the way that it works is there's a series of proxy servers, and
30:14
not only is your data encrypted another layer, but also each server along the
30:19
chain only knows the IP addresses of the nodes that it's sending and receiving data
30:26
to. So the only node that knows the IP address to your computer or
30:30
your phone is the entry node that you use, and then it goes all
30:34
along the chain to like an exit node that goes to the server that you're
30:38
communicating with, and then it goes all the way back. But each of
30:42
those nodes only knows the neighboring IP addresses, and that chain of communication in
30:48
deciding what goes in the book. Was that kind of difficult? Was there
30:52
something that you said, we'll leave them out or no, we should include
30:55
them, And how did you come up with this full list? Actually,
30:59
I wrote a lot of content for the book that didn't end up being made
31:03
into the book. I think there are in the neighborhood of just under three
31:08
hundred terms. It ended up in the book. But my development editor,
31:14
Sarah Gray, she was great to work with, by the way, had
31:17
to We had to pick and choose some of the entries to go into the
31:19
book. They were all good and they were all relevant. Choosing the terminology
31:25
was really easy. Like as soon as o'reiley gave me the green light for
31:29
this book, I came up with like a long list of every relevant term
31:33
or person or concept I could think of. And I wanted to make a
31:37
book that you could read in any order, Like you don't have to read
31:41
it from front to back. You even read it in any order you want.
31:45
And I wanted to make a book that was ADHD friendly and that you
31:48
could read in short burses. And I don't think the concept of like an
31:53
A to Z book like that is completely original, but it's probably one of
31:59
the only ones for this particular kind of sych that matter. But it really
32:02
kind of puts together all these key concepts in the development of computer technology and
32:08
the important people involved and the important enities. And I tried to also make
32:14
the book really accessible to people who aren't techies. So there are lots of
32:17
technical terms in the book, but they're all defined for lay people. This
32:22
type of book can actually help protect people against maybe somebody that is trying to
32:29
be a cyber criminal and have access to the system, so they understand a
32:31
little more about some of these terms, so they're not just lost and it's
32:36
just a word that the media is using. That would be great if that's
32:38
the effect the book has. Because my background is in cybersecurity research and writing
32:45
books about cybersecurity, cybersecurity is definitely a theme in this book. I would
32:51
say maybe it's twenty five percent about cybersecurity. I also wanted to broaden my
32:57
horizons from cybersecurity because I really am excited about the history of computing in general.
33:05
So but yeah, there is a lot that lay people can learn just
33:07
about cybersecurity from this book. What would you say is the one piece of
33:12
technology that excites you the most as we kind of move forward. I know
33:16
that you're probably looking for me to say our new AI developments like chat,
33:22
GBT and whatnot, But honestly, I don't think I wrote about it in
33:25
the book. But a couple of weeks ago, I bit the bullet and
33:30
I bought a Flipper zero. Oh wow. Really at that time, I'm
33:35
in Canada and the official Flipper website doesn't even sell them to Canada anymore.
33:40
I had to go to like a retailer who's based in California, and then
33:45
when the thing crossed the border, I had to pay like one hundred dollars
33:49
teriff on it. Oh man, it's so cool. It's an illegal gray
33:54
zone right now. But obviously, you know, the US and Canada are
33:58
still treating it like it's perfectly legal because it did cross the border. It's
34:02
a little handheld device. It's about the size of the USB thumbstick, maybe
34:06
a little bit bulk here, and it has it has like a display on
34:10
a very small monochromatic display, and it has it runs like at a digital
34:19
dolphin that has a personality and all that, so you can kind of use
34:23
it as like a Temagotchi. It also runs all kinds of scripts. It
34:29
has all kinds of readers for different sorts of radio signals and NFC and stuff
34:35
like that. If you have a card that works with NFC, for instance,
34:38
you can scan that into your Flipper zero. You can run scripts on
34:44
the Flipper zero to try and crack radio signals. Some of this is legal
34:50
if you have the consent of the people whose technologies are involved in what you're
34:53
trying to penetrate. But like just like a knife or a lighter, it
34:59
could be used for illegal Yes, well yeah, but it is Again.
35:04
It's you look at these these pieces of technology, and while we're consumed over
35:07
here, and like you said, with AI and what's going on, there
35:10
are some other really neat things that are making their way. Some night net
35:15
will never ever see. Some are out there. It's important to know that
35:19
too. I absolutely had to get a Flipper zero. That is awesome.
35:22
I love it. What next? Were you still writing for republications as well?
35:27
And do you think there'll be another one? I write technical manuals,
35:30
but my passion is more in books like this that go into like the culture
35:34
of computing and are a fun read, not just like a tech manual.
35:38
So I'm on great terms with A Riley and that's the publisher that gets my
35:45
fun book concepts, and I think early next year. I don't want to
35:50
spill my ideas out right now, but I have an idea for another fun
35:54
book that I can write for O'Riley. Hacker Culture A is the It's available
35:59
now from a They can find it just about anywhere. And you have a
36:01
website as well. If our listeners want to check you out in the web.
36:05
What's that website? So link tree l I n K t R dot
36:10
ee slash k I M c R A W l E Y. Thanks for
36:15
coming on the show. It's any Thanks, thanks any nice to meet you.
36:20
That's Kim Crawley. We'll be back with more of tech talk Radio.
36:22
You can find us on the web and check out the links at tech talk
36:25
radio dot com. Now back to tech talk Radio. You know, with
36:30
so many changes when it comes to technology, they're saying that children are getting
36:36
smart devices, tablets and even getting on the computer at younger ages. You
36:40
know, the big concern is protecting them and there are a lot of dangers
36:45
out there. Some of the dangers involve their personal data, their personal information,
36:51
but also them seeing things that really they shouldn't be seeing at a young
36:54
age. And we've talked about a company called Canopy many times in the past
37:00
year, and Yer own Lidwin is a digital safety expert and chief marketing officer
37:05
at Canopy, and we're really happy to have him on the line with us
37:08
to tell us about about Canopy. You don't thank you for coming on the
37:12
show. Andy, Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited
37:15
to be here. Tell us a little bit about Canopy. We kind of
37:19
understand it for our listeners who have kids or grandkids that maybe don't know what
37:23
it's all about. Can you kind of put it in a nutshell for us?
37:27
Or in a nutshell, I would say, Canopy is an AI powered
37:30
digital safety app, and what that means is that it's a very easy to
37:35
use app that both the parent. There's a parent app where the parent can
37:42
manage the digital safety levels that they would want to have for their child,
37:46
and then there's a child app, which is called the Shield app that sits
37:50
on the child's phone and it's constantly in the background filtering in real time content
37:57
that the child is viewing and when it comes across explicit content, it knows
38:00
how to wide it out and by doing so not interfere with the actual online
38:06
experience and so and so that's what kindipee does. It really enables parents and
38:10
families to give their kids the freedom to be online while knowing that there is
38:15
a safety net so that they don't come across dangerous explicit material. You know,
38:21
I remember yet in the old days of Yahoo Chat and some of the
38:24
chat rooms that would come up. I mean, it was you kind of
38:28
saw that this could be an issue when it came to the digital security for
38:31
our children and what they could see, what they could could read there online.
38:37
When did the idea the origin of canopy kind of get started. Was
38:42
it many many many years ago when we saw this. So the technology that
38:46
powers Canopy has been has been in development for now over ten years. And
38:52
so we've been doing kind of AI or artificial artificial intelligence before it became a
38:58
buzzword. But really the ideas we've developed, the patents and the technology that
39:04
enables us to identify images and video and split seconds and filter them out.
39:09
And so that technology has been developed over ten years. Canopy has been around
39:13
now for about five years and really focused on enabling parents. We also have
39:19
many adults that use the application to just provide that protection and that filter between
39:25
the online experience they want to have and kind of the online experience that they
39:30
could stumble into. We're talking about it how it can affect children, but
39:34
honestly, there's a lot of us adults that don't want to see some of
39:37
this stuff that is floating around on social media and online. This can help
39:42
protect our eyes from that and again protect our devices. Definitely. Definitely.
39:45
There's this kind of idea of digital wellness which I think is becoming perhaps kind
39:52
of post COVID more and more I would say popular, where adults themselves,
39:57
either for kind of religious reasons or just for their own mental health, are
40:01
looking to block out porn, take time off of social media, and with
40:07
Canopy, it's very easy to kind of put those rules, put those habits
40:10
in place. You know. The way we think about this that there's really
40:13
three things that from a parent's perspective, you want to be thinking about.
40:16
One is how much time kids are spending online, the content that they're seeing,
40:22
and who's on the other end of that. And we and through Canopy,
40:25
we kind of provide protection across all those three different layers, if you
40:29
will. And it's proven now that too much time online social media is really
40:32
having a negative impact on our children's mental health. And so I think,
40:37
like you're saying, in the past, we knew this was a problem.
40:39
Now there's data to back it up that we really do need to protect our
40:44
children and ourselves online. Also, the other thing, yo, Ron,
40:47
is there's a lot of parents out there that are consider themselves tech savvy,
40:52
but yet to manage all of this can be real difficult. And let's face
40:58
it, we're in a world now where our technology that's available to our children,
41:01
even if for those of us that are afraid of AI, can actually
41:06
help in many cases rather than detur the educational experience. But it's a matter
41:10
of how it's applied. Now we've seen the numbers that many parents out there
41:15
are introducing children younger than the age of thirteen, and there's been a lot
41:20
of arguments over this to social media. But I don't know, do parents
41:23
understand the type of dangers that is posed out there when they really keep hands
41:30
off a kind of method to that. Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough
41:32
awareness, and I appreciate you taking the time to speak with me and educate
41:37
your audience. I think all parents have an understanding that it's not good.
41:43
I don't think they fully understand to what degree the dangers might be. For
41:46
example, just this week, there was an article in the Wall Street Journal
41:51
about what we call kind of a s extortion scam, where young boys on
41:54
snapschot were being targeted and tricked into sending photos and then being blackmailed for that.
42:01
And so I think that these are things that's you know, there are
42:06
are now starting to get written about, and I think there's more awareness,
42:10
But I don't think that I would necessarily be aware of that or think about
42:14
that as a parent if I wasn't kind of in this space. And so
42:17
a lot of what we're doing is helping parents become educated that there not only
42:22
are there the risks, but there are also the solutions out there to really
42:25
help you manage your children's online experience and the technology. So I totally agree
42:30
and kind of resonate with what you kind of with what you opened. Oftentimes,
42:35
it's just it's so frustrating to try and understand the settings of let's say,
42:39
a different operating system than that you're used to. So if the parents
42:43
is on an iPhone and the child's on an Android. Trying to figure out
42:45
how to set up those settings can be very difficult. And Canopy it's an
42:49
all in one dashboard and kind of management system, so no matter what operating
42:53
systems they're on, or if it's a laptop or a phone, you can
42:58
control everything from kind of that one very user friendly interface. So a good
43:01
point there, then, So it's not only smartphones, the computer, the
43:06
household computer, or maybe they have a laptop that they use for school that
43:09
could also be protected. Yes, we protect chromebooks, PCs, iPads,
43:16
and the phone. So really every device that is being connected to the Internet
43:22
and has the potential of exposing a child to those online risks. All right,
43:28
So say you know, I've got a child, they've got a laptop,
43:30
and we've got Canopy installed, and they decide that they want to,
43:35
well, you know, take a ride down one of the websites called hub
43:39
or tube or whatnot. How does this stop that experience? Out of the
43:45
box, Canopy will block all known horn sites and just any known dangerous sites,
43:52
so that is out of the box, there's no need for any settings
43:55
and will just block access to those sites. But for example, there's a
43:59
lot of those type of materials that you mentioned that you refer to on YouTube,
44:05
on Twitter, Yeah, and that's where can it be really shines.
44:08
It's the ability when you're actually on what is considered a non explicit website or
44:14
app and that type of content appears. That's why can it be kind of
44:17
jumps to the forefront. We call it our shield or can it be shield,
44:22
and we'll filter out that content so it won't block the website, which
44:25
is different, and that's kind of our claim to fame. That's really what's
44:29
unique about Kende as opposed to just blocking a child or an adult out of
44:34
an online experience. It's just filtering out those images or those videos that is
44:38
deemed to be inappropriate. And so that way, if you're on Twitter,
44:42
for example, or YouTube, you can still experience YouTube, it will just
44:45
wide out images that are seen as inappropriate. How about TikTok? Would it
44:51
work with that? Because a lot of the kids they're getting on TikTok and
44:53
snap and I don't even know if be real is a thing anymore, but
44:57
they get on there and there could be there could be stuff in there that
45:00
they probably shouldn't see. Definitely, yes, we block, and we also
45:04
filter, and and the filtering is what I was just talking about. We
45:07
filter across all those apps and websites. And what's also unique is that you
45:10
can actually customize that experience. So, for example, if you don't want
45:14
your child on let's say, sports gambling sites, you can block off that
45:19
whole category of sites just for let's say, for one child. And so
45:23
we give the parents a lot of flexibility and customization opportunities to really make the
45:30
experience that they want to give their children as much as possible to match with
45:35
their values. Well, you know, you know, and I'm thinking about
45:37
this and I love everything this can do, but I also think we're talking
45:42
about social media, we're talking about the web, but you know another problem
45:46
area. And you know, as an adult, I know if you've got
45:50
them. I've received texts before that seem like it's from somebody you might know,
45:53
and it's it's really not Even texting could be an issue. Can canopy
46:00
work when you know, say my child's got a smartphone and they're texting,
46:04
but we don't know who they're texting. Could they help protect our child that
46:07
way? So currently we would protect from any explicit or inappropriate images and video,
46:12
and we will be coming out early next year with the ability to also
46:15
filter out text, okay, And I think that maybe that's what you're referring
46:20
to, which is the ability to identify if there certain words are being used
46:23
that perhaps might be dangerous in text, not just in images and video,
46:28
and that is something that we in the new year. Now. Some kids
46:30
are sharp, you know, own how can the protections with Canopy not be
46:35
removed or disabled? Because you know, I mean I've seen you know,
46:37
kids can know how to reboot stuff and take stuff out. Is there protections
46:43
in place? Totally? I think as a parent, my kids were always
46:45
able to kind of overcome the settings and somehow figure out how to get out
46:51
of the kind of the out of the box settings that come with your iPhone.
46:55
And so what's one of the really unique features in Canopy is the ability
47:00
to set and remove a prevention and so there's a way that there's a certain
47:05
settings that if you enable it, it is it is very very challenging to
47:10
remove Canopy and so that is often what we hear from parents is that the
47:15
idea that they know that it cannot be removed that it's really there for to
47:17
protect their children, and that children can easily change a time zone or kind
47:22
of do something clever to kind of fool the plot the system. And so
47:27
that's really one of the unique aspects of Canopy. Now, one of the
47:30
issues I remember when my kids were growing up was getting them off their devices
47:37
and late at night, you know, we go to sleep, and then
47:38
suddenly they would be online. And I know that some of the different router
47:45
manufacturers will put certain things in place, but Canopy it kind of gives you
47:49
an overall blanket to help protect that from them getting online after hours. Exactly,
47:54
you know, the Canopy name is exactly this idea of like really giving
47:58
them full protection. And so when it comes to what we call screen time,
48:02
we give the parents a very robust system of being able to manage screen
48:07
time across devices. And so for example, let's say as a parent,
48:13
you want no use of the mobile phone after eight pm, you can set
48:20
that up in Canopy. But perhaps for the PC the rules are different because
48:23
it's there's homework and so forth, and so you know, maybe that only
48:27
goes off at nine and so you can really schedule on and off times by
48:31
device, for each child, for each individual in the household, and that
48:37
gives also a lot of flexibility to kind of maintain those habits and those behaviors
48:42
that as a parent you'd like to enforce. Love it. I would just
48:45
like to add that, you know, our approach is not controlling. I
48:49
mean, it's really this idea that parents are using Canopy and this is what
48:52
this is a lot of the feedback that we get as a great communication device
48:55
as a behavior kind of habit establishing platform. And so although there are although
49:01
the parent can kind of set certain parameters, the idea is really that it's
49:06
done with the child and that it's done in a way that opens up opportunities
49:10
for communication and for really good parenting, as opposed to kind of this idea
49:15
of controlling their online experience. And so it's really kind of a shift in
49:20
how we're thinking, and I think that a lot of parents and children actually
49:22
we're seeing now that is very appealing to them, kind of a joint approach.
49:27
I like it because the parents could also learn from the kids and of
49:30
course still apply some of these to help make them a little safer, and
49:34
the parents as well. Definitely, I love your blog it's got some great
49:37
tips available. Tell us a little more about that and how often do you
49:40
do you add some of these tips to the website. We're always trying to
49:44
understand what is it, what are kind of parents focused on, how can
49:49
we help them both with what Cannoby can do, but also we believe in
49:52
so if Canopy has the artificial intelligence, we believe that at the end of
49:55
the day, it's really the parenting intelligence that is really going to enable kids
49:59
to be healthy and create the right behaviors, and Canopy here is kind of
50:02
an is an enabler of that, and so we we try and find opportunities
50:07
to write about both the technology that can help, but also the parenting kind
50:15
of behaviors and ideas that would help parents. At the end of the day,
50:17
we all just want to be good parents and keep our kids safe.
50:21
Yeah, and technology is changing very rapidly, and so we try and educate
50:25
on some of those changes and what to be aware of and some of the
50:29
solutions that are out there as well. Y'er on so many different solutions that
50:34
can be be is offering. Could businesses or maybe even why not schools be
50:38
using Canopy within the within their districts. Definitely, we we do have kind
50:44
of a school offering. It's slightly different. We have also seen it's different
50:47
in terms of just how how the product is set up, but we definitely
50:51
work with schools. We've also seen many schools that are now asking for Kennedy
50:55
to be implemented or installed on any kind of laptops or phones that are coming
51:01
into the school. And so we're seeing more and more of that where the
51:05
school is also trying to create kind of a safe a safe space, and
51:07
of course they need to note that there's some technology in place, some tools
51:10
in place that they can rely on, and so canopies definitely can help in
51:15
that solution. That's one of the reasons we came out with a solution for
51:19
chromebooks because chromebooks are tend to be very popular kind of in the school districts.
51:22
And now can Apple users Mac users also benefit with this? Yes,
51:28
this works on all operating systems Windows, Mac and And now what about the
51:35
different plans that are available. Do you have a different tier, like you
51:37
know, maybe it'll protect this many devices? How does that work? Sure?
51:43
So we have currently three three plans we have. Our smaller plan is
51:49
for three devices. It's really thought of like for one user or two users
51:54
with three devices, and then we all we go all the way up to
51:58
kind of a full family plan where you can have up to ten devices,
52:01
and and there's a there's a planet that's kind of like in the middle of
52:07
you know, in between. But there's definitely the ideas that we offer protection
52:10
across all devices and multiple users. So that's kind of how we've thought about
52:16
our plans and our pricing. Can our parents that are out there, can
52:21
they get kind of an idea of how it works. Is there a trial
52:22
account available? Yes, there's We offer a seven day free trial, and
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along alongside that we offer both phone and email support, so if if you
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have any questions while you're while you're on trial, there's someone there that can
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answer your questions the email, your phone, and of course that that continues
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once you become a customer. And I would definitely encourage your listeners to go
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to Canopy dot us and a click free trial. It's a very very simple
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checkout process and uh and you can be up and running in minutes. Great
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implement Yeah, great stuff. You Ron, Thank you so much for coming
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on tech Talk Radio and telling us a little bit about Canopy and again,
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Canopy dot us is the website address, and we look forward to talking to
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you again in the future. Yo. Yeah, thank you so much and
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it was a pleasure. I really appreciate it. We'll be back with more
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of tech talk Radio. Find links for anything we've talked about on our website
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at tech talk radio dot com. And now back to tech talk Radio.
53:23
Hey, this is Deetrich Bader from Batman and you're listening to TikTok Radio today.
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I actually had a problem that I had at work and I had to
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get a headshot of myself for a webinar that I'm doing. Oh wow,
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this week it's for the World water Park Association. I'm going to be speaking
53:42
to about I don't know, one hundred two hundred people across the country,
53:45
across the world really about waterpark cybersecurity. And I know Matt's like chuckling over
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there because I'm not a cybersecurity expert, but I do know a little bit
53:52
about it anyway. So I took a headshot on myself and when I looked
53:57
at the picture, I was like, oh man, I got a little
53:59
bit of a neck beard, you know, going on like I was like,
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I didn't shave that morning and my cheeks were a little bit inflated.
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So I was like, you know, I need to edit this a little
54:08
bit, but I don't have photoshop. So I sent the picture to our
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graphics artist who works for Highland Hills, and I was like, hey,
54:15
man, could you do me a favor. Can you make me look a
54:17
little bit prettier, get rid of the neck beard, and maybe tighten up
54:21
the cheeks a little bit. And he's like, yeah, sure, sure,
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man, sure, So this is what he sent me, and I'm
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gonna send it to you guys right now. What he's well, the original
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is right there. Okay, that's me and and my lord, yeah yeah,
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I'm looking at this and like, not only does does it look like
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you have some glam makeup on, but I'm looking like I'm wearing mascara.
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He also like, thickened up the rest of your beard and darkened it.
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But this is just proof that not even photoshop can make you pretty. Oh
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my ah, doud I blow blow. We need to put this on the
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website and have a contest. As a matter of fact, I'll give them
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a twenty five dollars gift card to Amazon for the best digital reproduction of justin
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Here fixing the picture. If it can be so, you won't give me
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a twenty five dollars gift card, but you'll give somebody to make fun of
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me a twenty five dollars gift Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely absolutely. They
55:20
could grab this from our website and have some fun with it. Now,
55:22
there's a guy on Instagram that does this. You send him a picture,
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you say, could you please do this, like make the waterfall closer,
55:31
you know, And what they'll do is put the water pouring on everybody in
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the picture. It's so hilarious. There's a whole subreddit too, by the
55:38
way, while you're looking that one up right there, for the for the
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for the listeners, there's a whole subreddit called photoshop requests. Yeah, you
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can put in that and a lot of times and a lot of times.
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Yeah, it's it's like they'll make fun of it. And it's not just
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one person. Is a bunch of different people will try their hand and making
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it close. This picture. This is scary the way you really is it
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rotated. I don't know how he gave you crazy eyes. I know I
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look like you should be in the movie Barbie. All right, you look
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relatively sane in the first one, but in the next one, I feel
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like I'm gonna wake up and you're just gonna be standing over me like just
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you. Reboot the Firewall. You all right? Hit our website. You
56:20
can see the photo there tech talk radio dot Com. That's it for this
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week. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Matt Jones, and I'm the creepy Justin
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Lemmey. I guess yourself. Is a great week. We'll see you