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Episode Two Hundred Fifty: MAGA Meltdown · The Death Of Journalism

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode two hundred and fifty of the Death
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Speaker 1: of Journalism podcast. My name is John Zigler. I'm your
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Speaker 1: host on today's show. Maga world is still melting down
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Speaker 1: over their Epstein fantasy being ruined, and Trump is clearly frustrated.
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Speaker 1: We update you on several stories from last week's podcast,
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Speaker 1: and then I take your questions for a special Ask
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Speaker 1: John Anything segment. We begin this two hundred and fiftieth
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Speaker 1: episode of the Death of Journalism podcast with several updates
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Speaker 1: from our last episode of the Death of Journalism, and
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Speaker 1: I just have to start with the latest developments in
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Speaker 1: the never ending sokka of the Jeffrey Epstein story. And
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Speaker 1: I have to say this is probably the most shocking
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Speaker 1: and mystifying evolution of a story that I can never remember,
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Speaker 1: at least at least in the last few years, you know,
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Speaker 1: post COVID, because this whole thing is just ridiculous on
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Speaker 1: so many levels. I have told you for years that
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was guilty, that the massive conspiracy didn't make
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Speaker 1: any sense, that his friend Giselyne Maxwell was probably railroaded
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Speaker 1: and may or may not have been guilty in enabling
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Speaker 1: his crimes. But the idea that this was some sort
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Speaker 1: of massive sex traffic trafficking operation for the world elites
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Speaker 1: was completely ridiculous. I've gone into how Prince Andrew was
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Speaker 1: caught up in being extremely vulnerable because he was the
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Speaker 1: spare to the royal family and had nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with whether or not he actually sexually abused a young
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Speaker 1: girl who has now committed suicide as an adult and
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Speaker 1: who has massive, massive credibility problems, and I've never even
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Speaker 1: understood the significant to this whole thing. My guess is
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Speaker 1: that this is being driven by Maga world's incredibly deep
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Speaker 1: desire to see the elites of the world pay. And really,
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Speaker 1: what we're witnessing, the only way I can make any
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Speaker 1: sense of what we're witnessing over the last couple of
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Speaker 1: weeks is that this is basically medieval times, that the
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Speaker 1: masses have been promised a public execution of the elites.
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Speaker 1: They were promised this. They were promised this, they thought
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Speaker 1: by Trump, they thought by Attorney General Bondi, by Cash Mattel,
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Speaker 1: by Dan Bongino. They thought they were promised this did
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Speaker 1: they were promised this by the right wing media, and
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they have the rug pulled
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Speaker 1: out from under them, and the public executions have been canceled,
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Speaker 1: and they're pissed off. They thought they were promised to
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Speaker 1: public execution. And there's also a part of this that's
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Speaker 1: like a child suddenly coming to the realization or being
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Speaker 1: told that there is no Santa Claus. I would say
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Speaker 1: that there's a combination of those two things, the withdrawing
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Speaker 1: of a promised public execution and a child being told
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Speaker 1: for the first time that there is no Santa Claus.
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Speaker 1: And Magaworld has not been handling it well, and Trump's
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Speaker 1: reaction to Magaworld not handling it well. The results of
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Speaker 1: what Pambondi has concluded is that there is no Epstein
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Speaker 1: client list and that there's really nothing worthy of being released,
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Speaker 1: partially because, by the way, there's concern, legitimate concern about
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Speaker 1: false information in the file causing innocent people to be
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Speaker 1: accused in a case that now is nuclear powered, and gee,
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Speaker 1: what could possibly go wrong with that? We've seen that
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Speaker 1: in many, many cases. But the bigger this story gets,
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Speaker 1: the more dangerous it is to release information that's unverified
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Speaker 1: and very likely false. It certainly seems to me as
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Speaker 1: if Trump understands this better than almost anybody, maybe because
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Speaker 1: his name is in there because he was buddies with
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein for a while and he knows that at
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Speaker 1: least his role is bullshit. He probably also he knew
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Speaker 1: Gily Max Litte well pretty well, So you know, his
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Speaker 1: knowledge of Epstein, his knowledge of Maxwell, his knowledge of
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Speaker 1: these cases in general, I think puts him in a
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Speaker 1: pretty unique position to realize the dangers of this. But
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Speaker 1: it's now currently all backfiring on it because his base,
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Speaker 1: to a large extent, at least online, is turning against
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Speaker 1: him on this whole issue. So I'm in the most
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Speaker 1: bizarre position possible where i' been telling you for years
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Speaker 1: that this story has been grossly overblown, incredibly misunderstood. I'm
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Speaker 1: a Trump critic, and now here I am defending Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump against his own cult because Trump is correct about this,
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Speaker 1: but it's his right wing maga media that has effectively
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Speaker 1: betrayed him here. And you know, I think I've been
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Speaker 1: vindicated on the facts regarding Epstein, but I may have
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Speaker 1: been vindicated even more dramatically when it comes to the
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Speaker 1: right wing media because I have told you consistently who
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Speaker 1: the bad guys are, who the fake good guys are
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Speaker 1: in the right wing media, and especially during the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four primary election, I was targeting Tucker Carlson and
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Speaker 1: Glenn Beck and the and to a lesser degree, Megan
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Speaker 1: Kelly and those three people, all of whom I've had
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Speaker 1: respect for in the past, and two of whom I've
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Speaker 1: had a good relationship with in the past. Have no
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Speaker 1: respect for them anymore. They have been among the worst
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Speaker 1: when it comes to this entire Epstein's story. They have
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Speaker 1: become almost identical to Alex Jones. Alex Jones has been
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Speaker 1: having a mental breakdown trying to come up with some
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Speaker 1: sort of mental gymnastics for this story to still be true,
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Speaker 1: but Trump not to be part of the cover up,
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Speaker 1: because that's you know, I half jokingly, half seriously made
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Speaker 1: the argument in the last episode of the podcast that
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Speaker 1: there's no other way for this to go down now
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Speaker 1: using Maga rules, you know, looking at the world through
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Speaker 1: the Maga prism. The only way to keep this story
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Speaker 1: alive is for Trump to be central to the cover up.
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Speaker 1: He's always been central to the cover up. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Epstein killed himself while he was president, so you know,
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Speaker 1: this cover up requires trumpet requires Bill Barr, It requires
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Speaker 1: Cash Mattel, it requires Dan Bongino, it requires Pam Bondi,
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Speaker 1: who's been getting the most criticism in all of this
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Speaker 1: because she was left with the unenviable, unenviable position of
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Speaker 1: having to tell the masses that their fantasy, that their
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Speaker 1: Santa Claus is not real. And the worst offenders in
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Speaker 1: the media have been Tucker Carlson, who's gone off the
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Speaker 1: goddamn rails. I mean, this is a guy who gives
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Speaker 1: a softball interview to the President of Iran after the
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Speaker 1: air strikes on Iran. By the way, he didn't even
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Speaker 1: to his credit, I guess he basically admitted that it
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Speaker 1: was a softball interview. He's been pro Russia pro putin
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Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes. He's gone after every possible
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, has no idea what the hell he's talking about.
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Speaker 1: He's lost his mind. I've said that for years, Tucker
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Speaker 1: Carlson has lost his goddamn mine, and now because he
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to admit that he got duped or was
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Speaker 1: wrong or you never know, even with Tucker, was he
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Speaker 1: wrong or was he making it up? I don't know
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Speaker 1: what's acting and what's real anymore. But instead of admitting
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Speaker 1: that they got the Epstein's story wrong, now Tucker is
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Speaker 1: engaging and effectively anti Semitism, certainly extreme anti Israel views,
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Speaker 1: making allegations against Israel and the Mossade that they must
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Speaker 1: have been involved in this that are completely baseless, ridiculous,
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Speaker 1: and absurd. He's been backed in this effort by Glenn Beck,
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Speaker 1: my former friend, who is posting videos of him getting
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Speaker 1: off the side of the road in the middle of
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Speaker 1: nowhere begging for Donald Trump to save Dan Bongino's job
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Speaker 1: and to get rid of Pam Bondi, and hasn't backed
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Speaker 1: down an inch on ever admitting that he was wrong
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Speaker 1: about the entire massive Epstein conspiracy. Megan Kelly, of course,
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Speaker 1: she's always trying to have it both ways. That's what
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Speaker 1: she classically does. But she's been showing quite a bit
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Speaker 1: of leg on this story, putting pressure on Trump, making
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Speaker 1: it seem as if she still buys into the whole
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, while also trying to give herself an out.
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk has been conspiring with her on this particular front.
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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro and classic Ben Shapiro fashion, actually gets the
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Speaker 1: truth but is afraid to fully tell the truth because
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Speaker 1: he knows it'll piss off too much of his audience,
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Speaker 1: but he now feels like he is obligated to be
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Speaker 1: more aggressive about it because Israel has become a major
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Speaker 1: part of the story. Likes to Tucker Carlson and to
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Speaker 1: a lesser extent, Glenn Beck. I mean, this whole thing
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Speaker 1: is absolutely crazy, but it also is so unbelievably revealing
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Speaker 1: and telling about how completely broken the right wing media
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Speaker 1: is in the era of Trump. And of course the
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Speaker 1: great irony and hilarity here is that a lot of
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Speaker 1: this is now blowing back on Trump, because Trump's the
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Speaker 1: one trying to speak reason to the mob and to
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Speaker 1: the cult, and they're not having it. They're not having it. Now.
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Speaker 1: To what extent this is the reality, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: There's certainly a great perception that that's the reality, and
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Speaker 1: Trump himself clearly thinks that that's part of the reality.
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Speaker 1: Because Trump has been going bananas on social media and
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Speaker 1: in some of his public statements, which I'll get to shortly,
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Speaker 1: but before I get to Trump's reaction to all this,
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Speaker 1: which is the probably the strongest indication that this really
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Speaker 1: has hit a nerve within magaworld, and that this is
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Speaker 1: not just one of those one or two day stories
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Speaker 1: that's gonna go away, that there's a real threat to
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Speaker 1: dividing the MAGA cult because us of the Jeffrey.
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Speaker 2: Epstein story, which is just so ridiculous of all the
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Speaker 2: things that could have divided MAGA, that this would end
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Speaker 2: up being potentially that story is just absolutely mind blowing
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Speaker 2: to me.
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Speaker 1: But I want to at least address maybe the most
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Speaker 1: ridiculous part of this entire saga over the last couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks, and that is the defense of Dan Bongino.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I reference Glenn Beck posting crazy videos begging
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Speaker 1: for the job of Dan Bongino. Dan Bongino. How does
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Speaker 1: Dan Bongino, former podcaster, now the deputy director of the FBI.
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Speaker 1: How does Dan Bongino now end up benefiting from massive
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Speaker 1: MAGA support because of the way this story has evolved,
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Speaker 1: and because he is perceived, without any evidence whatsoever, of
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Speaker 1: being involved in a battle with Attorney General Pam Bondi
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Speaker 1: over the Epstein files. There is no evidence of that
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Speaker 1: at all. There's one unnamed source, and I love how
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Speaker 1: maggans so hypocritical and unnamed sources. I mean, they don't
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Speaker 1: care what the source is, if it's something that fits
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Speaker 1: what they want to believe, already, unnamed sources are gold.
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Speaker 1: Of course, if it's negative about Trump, then it doesn't
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Speaker 1: matter what the source is or what the media outlet is.
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Speaker 1: It's just bullshit. You're not supposed to believe it. It's
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Speaker 1: incredibly hilarious and very very telling. But there's this narrative
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Speaker 1: that's been created. Everyone just accepted it that Damn Bongino
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Speaker 1: is fighting with Pam Bondi because he's in favor of
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Speaker 1: releasing the Epstein files and she's not. There's no evidence
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Speaker 1: of that. Is it true? I guess it's possibly true,
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Speaker 1: but there's no evidence of that. But here's what we
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Speaker 1: do know. Damn Bongino effectively campaigned for the job of
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Speaker 1: the FBI in large part by claiming that this Epstein
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Speaker 1: story was this big, massive conspiracy and that he was
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Speaker 1: going to help bring down the lie. He was giving
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Speaker 1: the mob the cold exactly what they wanted more than
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Speaker 1: anybody else, and it got him the job. And then
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Speaker 1: when he got the job, he was clearly in over
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Speaker 1: his head, so much so that he went on Fox
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Speaker 1: News Channel and effectively was reduced to tears and describing
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Speaker 1: how difficult it was to have a normal fucking job
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Speaker 1: and not just be a podcaster. It's unbelievable that he
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Speaker 1: survived that. I mean, he should have been mocked unmercifully
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Speaker 1: by Maga for going on television. I can't believe that
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Speaker 1: Trump even put up with it, Knowing who Trump is,
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Speaker 1: I can't believe he had any respect for Bongino at
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Speaker 1: all after that. I mean, Bongino was literally in tears
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Speaker 1: on Fox News Channel describing how difficult it is to
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Speaker 1: have a real job. And this was only a couple
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Speaker 1: of months in. He was a later point e. He's
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Speaker 1: barely gotten into the job at all, and he already
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Speaker 1: can't take it anymore. So he can't handle where he's at.
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Speaker 1: He's weighing over his head. He's not remotely qualified for
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Speaker 1: the position. And it turns out he was totally wrong
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Speaker 1: about one of his primary issues, which is the entire
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Speaker 1: Epstein alleged conspiracy. He goes on Fox News Channel with
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Speaker 1: Maria Bartaroma and with Cash Mattel and admits fully the
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Speaker 1: key portion of the entire Epstein conspiracy is false, and
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Speaker 1: that is Epstein was not murdered in prison. Something I've
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Speaker 1: been telling you for years, hundreds of times emphatically, there's
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Speaker 1: no chance that Epstein was murdered in prison for all
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Speaker 1: series of very obvious reasons. So he admits this on
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Speaker 1: television makes it very clear. Somehow the Trump magat cult
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Speaker 1: doesn't turn against him there and somehow he's the hero
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Speaker 1: in this current iteration, this story fighting behind the scenes
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Speaker 1: against Pam BONDI Now, I don't think Bongino is all
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Speaker 1: that smart at all. In fact, I think he's an idiot,
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Speaker 1: But I guess he's probably smart enough to follow the
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Speaker 1: path that it's so obvious this appears to be heading towards.
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Speaker 1: In fact, many people have already speculated about this publicly,
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Speaker 1: including myself. It certainly seems as if if Bongino really
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Speaker 1: has two brain cells to rub together and he can't
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Speaker 1: handle this job that he's in over his head on
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Speaker 1: he's gonna end up getting out of this job and
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Speaker 1: dying on the hill of Epstein on purpose, because then
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Speaker 1: he can come back to being a MAGA influencer podcaster
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Speaker 1: as a conquering hero. Now, it's not gonna be good
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Speaker 1: for Trump. Trump's incentivized to keep Bongino in the fall.
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Speaker 1: The fact, if I was Trump, I would say, Dan, look,
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Speaker 1: just take it easy, don't even worry about the job.
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Speaker 1: Just go on Fox News channel and comment on things
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Speaker 1: whenever you want. Let Cash take care of everything, and
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Speaker 1: you know, just relax, you know, basically, not do your job.
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Speaker 1: Because the only way then Bongino gets back into the
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Speaker 1: good graces of MAGA, at least at first, is he's
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Speaker 1: gonna have to claim that there's some sort of Epstein
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Speaker 1: conspiracy here that he was fighting against and that's why
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Speaker 1: he left his position. But that seems to be where
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Speaker 1: this is heading now. Whether it goes exactly that way,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it would not shock me at
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Speaker 1: all if Bongino uses this massive Epstein controversy as a
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Speaker 1: way of getting out of a bad situation and being
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Speaker 1: a conquering hero, and based upon the reaction of Glenn
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Speaker 1: Beck and others, he'll probably get away with it, which
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Speaker 1: is absolutely astonishing. It's such an upside down world. Everything
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Speaker 1: is upside down. Bongino was totally wrong about this story.
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Speaker 1: He he can't handle the job, and the truth finally
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Speaker 1: gets effectively revealed that there is no massive Epstein conspiracy,
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Speaker 1: and somehow Bongino becomes a larger MAGA figure because of it.
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Speaker 1: It's just insain making, and frankly, I think Trump has
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Speaker 1: starting to feel the insane making element of the absurdity
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Speaker 1: of this story. He has put out numerous social media
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Speaker 1: posts trying to quell the uprising among MAGA world surrounding
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Speaker 1: the fact that there is no Epstein list and that
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Speaker 1: there appears to be no massive Epstein conspiracy, and that
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Speaker 1: nothing substantive has been released with the so called Epstein
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Speaker 1: files and they have not worked, And he keeps trying
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Speaker 1: and trying, and frankly, a lot of people understandably think
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Speaker 1: it keeps digging this hole deeper and deeper. Now he's
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Speaker 1: made so many statements on this, I'm only going to
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Speaker 1: go with the last two as of this taping. So
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Speaker 1: Tuesday evening, he was doing a press conference on an
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Speaker 1: airport tarmac. He got asked about this, and he made
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Speaker 1: what is probably the statement most consistent with what appears
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Speaker 1: to be his current position, which is, look, this is
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Speaker 1: a democratic plot. The Democrats are the ones that really
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Speaker 1: created the whole Epstein file. He keeps trying to relate
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Speaker 1: this to Russia, Russia, Russia, and to Democrats. He also
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Speaker 1: calls the Epstein files boring, but he also says, look,
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Speaker 1: if there's anything credible in there, then Pam BONDI ought
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Speaker 1: to release it. And here's what that sounded like from
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Speaker 1: President Trump.
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Speaker 2: I know you've urged people to move on, but I'm curious,
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Speaker 2: why do you think your supporters in particular have been
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Speaker 2: so interested in the Epstein story.
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Speaker 1: I'm so upset about how it's been handled.
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Speaker 3: I don't understand it why they would be so interested.
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Speaker 3: He's dead for a long time, he was never a
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Speaker 3: big factor in terms of life. I don't understand what
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Speaker 3: the interest or what the fascination is.
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Speaker 1: I really don't.
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Speaker 3: And the credible information has been given. Don't forget we
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Speaker 3: went through years off the Muller Wood hunt and all
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Speaker 3: of the different things to steal dossier which was all fake.
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Speaker 3: All that information was fake. But I don't understand why
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Speaker 3: the Jeffrey Epstey case would be of interest to anybody.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty boring stuff.
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Speaker 3: It's shorted, but it's boring, and I don't understand why
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Speaker 3: it keeps going. I think, well, really, only pretty bad people,
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Speaker 3: including fake deus, want to keep something like that going.
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Speaker 3: But credible information, let them give it. Anything that's credible
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Speaker 3: I would say, let them have it.
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Speaker 1: Now. That's David was kind of amazing coming from Trump.
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Speaker 1: It's consistent with a shift in his strategy where he
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Speaker 1: is now trying to claim that this whole Epstein thing
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Speaker 1: is a creation of Democrats. There's not a lot of
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Speaker 1: logic behind that. I mean, Epstein killed himself in a
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Speaker 1: prison in twenty nineteen, and that was when Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: was president, so and yes, he did plead guilty to
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Speaker 1: a lesser charge well before Trump was president. So I mean,
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Speaker 1: I guess there's some semblance of an argument you could make,
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Speaker 1: But this seems to be a gambit. This seems to
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Speaker 1: be a strategy that he's been very very successful lumping
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Speaker 1: everything in with Russia, Russia, Russia, and that this is
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Speaker 1: more Russia, Russia, Russia. But you know, he doesn't understand
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Speaker 1: why people are so interested in the story. I share
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Speaker 1: that confusion because I think he understands the truth of
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Speaker 1: the matter, for reasons I've already explained that he was
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Speaker 1: close to both Epstein and Maxwell, and he's privy to
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Speaker 1: the information in the file. Presumably he's also very concerned,
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Speaker 1: understandably with false allegations. He is referenced several times that
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Speaker 1: there is false information there now. Of course, one of
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Speaker 1: the problems Trump's Trump has in this situation is every
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Speaker 1: statement he makes in this direction, at least using Maga
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Speaker 1: world rules and the prison through which they see the world,
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Speaker 1: is consistent with him being part of the cover up.
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Speaker 1: That's what's so funny about this. And I can see
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Speaker 1: from his perspective very very frustrating or flustrating. He's both
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Speaker 1: flustered and frustrated because his cult isn't getting it, and
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Speaker 1: in fact, portions of the cult are looking at him
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Speaker 1: as ah. The only way this makes sense, the only
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Speaker 1: way Santa Claus still exists, is if you, sir, are
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Speaker 1: part of the cover up, and his statements, while I
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Speaker 1: believe that other than the relating this to Russia, Russia,
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Speaker 1: ren Ussia and blaming the Democrats are based in some
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Speaker 1: semblance of reality, they are also consistent using the prism
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Speaker 1: through which Magaworld sees this situation with him being a
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Speaker 1: huge part of the cover up, which of course he
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Speaker 1: would have to be at this point for this story
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Speaker 1: to actually be the fantasy that Maga World has held
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Speaker 1: onto thanks largely to the right wing media for quite
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Speaker 1: a while, well as somewhat weird and dramatic as that
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Speaker 1: video statement was. This morning, just before I started taping
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Speaker 1: this episode of the podcast, Trump put out another social
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Speaker 1: media post where once again he tried the Russia, Russia,
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Speaker 1: Russia gambit. You know this is all about democrats, how
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Speaker 1: horrible democrats are Stele dossier Russia, Russia, Russia, blah blah
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Speaker 1: blah and referencing the Epstein files. Then then he does
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Speaker 1: something rather extraordinary. He starts to turn his fire on
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Speaker 1: not just Republicans, but on his magabase for their view
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Speaker 1: of what's going on with the whole Epstein file controversy.
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Speaker 1: Trump writes, Unlike Republicans, they democrats stick together like glue.
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Speaker 1: They're meaning Democrats. New scam is what we will forever
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Speaker 1: call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax hoax. And just like the
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Speaker 1: Russia hoax, Remember, folks, and my past capital letters, past
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Speaker 1: past supporters have bought into this bullshit hook line and sinker.
23:46
Speaker 1: They haven't learned their lesson and probably never will, even
23:51
Speaker 1: after being conned by the lunatic laugh for eight long years,
23:57
Speaker 1: I have had more success than six months than perhaps
23:59
Speaker 1: any president in our country's history. And all these people
24:03
Speaker 1: want to talk about with strong prodding by the fake news,
24:08
Speaker 1: and the success starve Dems is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
24:14
Speaker 1: Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work.
24:20
Speaker 1: Don't even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success,
24:24
Speaker 1: because I don't want their support anymore. Exclamation point, Thank
24:30
Speaker 1: you for your attention to this matter. Make America great again.
24:34
Speaker 1: Exclamation point. Wow. Okay, Now, yeah, with Trump, who knows
24:40
Speaker 1: what that really means as far as how long lasting
24:43
Speaker 1: his view will be. But on paper, if you take
24:46
Speaker 1: him at his word, that is the most significant attack
24:50
Speaker 1: on the MAGA core that I can ever recall Donald
24:55
Speaker 1: Trump making. And it's not even close. And this is
24:58
Speaker 1: a guy who is clearly he had it, basically saying
25:02
Speaker 1: you've been duped, this is a hoax, this is bullshit,
25:06
Speaker 1: and I don't even want your support anymore. You're so stupid.
25:09
Speaker 1: Now I can fully understand and appreciate where he's coming from,
25:12
Speaker 1: because I have far more than he has, I'm sure
25:16
Speaker 1: dealt with on a direct basis on social media, these idiots,
25:22
Speaker 1: these imbeciles that have bought into this hoax as he
25:25
Speaker 1: calls it, for many, many years, and it is exceedingly frustrating.
25:29
Speaker 1: So I feel Donald Trump's pain. These people are morons,
25:34
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of them, and they're almost all
25:37
Speaker 1: at least they were Donald Trump's supporters. This is at
25:41
Speaker 1: the core of the MAGA base. And I can't wait
25:44
Speaker 1: to see how Tucker Carlson and Glenn Beck and Megan
25:48
Speaker 1: Kelly and Charlie Kirk try to spin Donald Trump's current position,
25:54
Speaker 1: because I mean, look, they'll spin anything. I mean, the
25:58
Speaker 1: truth no longer matters. I have said that many many
26:00
Speaker 1: times on this podcast. It's no longer the coin of
26:02
Speaker 1: the realm. It's popularity with your target demographic that matters,
26:07
Speaker 1: and the demographic that matters to these people has made
26:11
Speaker 1: it very clear they don't want the truth on Epstein.
26:13
Speaker 1: They want a fantasy. They want a fairy tale. They
26:16
Speaker 1: want to be told sweet nothings. And you know, Megan
26:21
Speaker 1: Kelly and Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson and people like
26:24
Speaker 1: that have become very very good at weaving fairy tales
26:29
Speaker 1: that can conform to what the audience wants. Now, this
26:32
Speaker 1: one's gonna be more difficult. This one's going to be
26:35
Speaker 1: more difficult because of what Trumps at Because logically, and
26:39
Speaker 1: even Megan Kelly has said this, there's really only two options.
26:42
Speaker 1: Either Trump is right and we got duped, or Trump
26:45
Speaker 1: is part of the cover up. That's where we are
26:47
Speaker 1: on this. There's no other logical scenario. My guess is
26:52
Speaker 1: they'll come up with some illogical scenario, and I've seen
26:55
Speaker 1: several attempts out there. One of the which I've seen
26:58
Speaker 1: is that I think this is and Alex Jones scenario,
27:02
Speaker 1: that this is actually like, you know, fifteen dimensional chess
27:06
Speaker 1: by Trump, that you know, he's publicly claiming something different
27:10
Speaker 1: than reality so that he can continue to blackmail people
27:12
Speaker 1: using what's in the Epstein files, which of course is
27:16
Speaker 1: ridiculous and absurd, but you know, that's the best they
27:19
Speaker 1: can do, and trying to come up with some sort
27:21
Speaker 1: of a scenario that fits to what they already want
27:24
Speaker 1: to believe in the first place. But this whole situation
27:27
Speaker 1: has completely and totally discredited several MAGA media stars, and
27:33
Speaker 1: they just still happen to be the people I told
27:35
Speaker 1: you not to trust, specifically Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck, and
27:39
Speaker 1: Megan Kelly. They have disgraced themselves. Now there's only one
27:43
Speaker 1: person I shouldn't say one, but there's there's one person
27:46
Speaker 1: that's been prominently involved in this that I find to
27:50
Speaker 1: be credible, and bizarrely, it's Alan Dershowitz. Now I realize
27:55
Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz has two strikes against him. One he represented
27:58
Speaker 1: Oj Simpson to he basically sold out to Magaworld because
28:03
Speaker 1: he was being canceled on the left. So I view
28:06
Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz with suspicion. He's clearly a media whore, he's
28:12
Speaker 1: long past his prime. But he is a smart guy,
28:16
Speaker 1: and most importantly, he was directly involved in this whole situation,
28:21
Speaker 1: and he was Epstein's lawyer at one point he was
28:24
Speaker 1: falsely accused and proved that he was falsely accused at
28:27
Speaker 1: one point. He knows all the players in this situation.
28:32
Speaker 1: And you know, he's been making a lot of statements. Now,
28:34
Speaker 1: some of his statements have been I believe misinterpreted. I'm
28:39
Speaker 1: not sure whether Dershowitz has been doing this on purpose
28:43
Speaker 1: or whether or not he's been using lazy language, but
28:46
Speaker 1: he's allowed himself to be I think misinterpreted that he
28:50
Speaker 1: thinks that he knows of people who were guilty in
28:54
Speaker 1: a so called Epstein conspiracy. Well, one of the interviews
28:59
Speaker 1: that Dershowitz recently was with Piers Morgan, which I found
29:03
Speaker 1: to be rather ironic and telling, because you may recall
29:06
Speaker 1: that I did a very contentious interview with Piers Morgan
29:09
Speaker 1: back in his CNN days. He interviewed me on a
29:13
Speaker 1: CNN show about the entire Penn State, Joe Paterno, Jerry
29:17
Speaker 1: Sandusky story, and Morgan was terrible. I mean, you know,
29:20
Speaker 1: he is one of these people that when it comes
29:23
Speaker 1: to any sort of allegation of sexual abuse, he just
29:25
Speaker 1: accepts it unless it's you know, there's a unique self
29:28
Speaker 1: interest for him involved, in which case he might not
29:31
Speaker 1: accept it. But he's a little bit like Megan Kelly.
29:35
Speaker 1: He's playing the game whatever in his self interest is
29:37
Speaker 1: what his position's going to be. But he was absolutely awful,
29:41
Speaker 1: horrific in that situation and on that story. And of
29:44
Speaker 1: course there's obvious parallels between the Epstein story and the
29:48
Speaker 1: Sandusky story, the biggest difference, of course, being Epstein was
29:51
Speaker 1: guilty and Sandusky was not. But I want to play
29:54
Speaker 1: two clips from this appearance that Alan Dershowitz made with
29:59
Speaker 1: Piers Morgan. The first deals with this allegation by Tucker
30:03
Speaker 1: Carlson that Epstein must have been part of the Mussad
30:07
Speaker 1: and then this is all about Israel. And by the way,
30:11
Speaker 1: one of the more ridiculous things that happened in the
30:13
Speaker 1: right wing media over the last several days is that
30:16
Speaker 1: a former Prime minister of Israel came out on Twitter
30:20
Speaker 1: and very declaratively said that this story is bullshit. There's
30:24
Speaker 1: no chance of this happening. I can assure you with
30:26
Speaker 1: one hundred percent certainty that Epstein had nothing to do
30:29
Speaker 1: with Mussad or the Israeli government. Megan Kelly effectively mocked
30:34
Speaker 1: this statement by the former Israeli prime minister using misinformation
30:41
Speaker 1: in my view, and Alan Dershowitz took it on directly
30:46
Speaker 1: and essentially called Tucker Carlson a fraud for making this
30:51
Speaker 1: absurd allegation, which is really, just, to be clear, a
30:55
Speaker 1: desperate attempt to come up with some way to keep
30:58
Speaker 1: the fantasy alive, the fairy tale alive, right, because if
31:01
Speaker 1: you can somehow get in under the umbrella of Moussad,
31:05
Speaker 1: which is mysterious and powerful and capable of doing amazing
31:10
Speaker 1: things like killing people in prison federal prisons and having
31:14
Speaker 1: no suspects and nobody having any evidence that that actually happened,
31:18
Speaker 1: then you can at least plausibly keep the fairy tale alive.
31:22
Speaker 1: Of course, Tucker doesn't give a fuck about the truth anymore,
31:25
Speaker 1: and Alan Dershowitz, to his credit, dismantled this absurd theory
31:31
Speaker 1: in this portion of his interview with Piers Morgan.
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Speaker 4: And I think the real answer is Jeffrey Epstein was
31:36
Speaker 4: working on behalf of Intel Services, probably not American, and
31:40
Speaker 4: we have every right to ask on whose behalf was
31:44
Speaker 4: he working, where did all the money come from? And
31:46
Speaker 4: no one has ever gotten to the bottom of that
31:48
Speaker 4: because no one has ever tried. And moreover, it's extremely
31:51
Speaker 4: obvious to anyone who watches that this guy had direct
31:55
Speaker 4: connections to a foreign government. Now no one's allowed to
31:58
Speaker 4: say that foreign government is Israel because we.
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Speaker 1: Have been somehow.
32:02
Speaker 4: Cowed into thinking that that's naughty. There is nothing wrong
32:08
Speaker 4: with saying that. There is nothing hateful about saying that.
32:11
Speaker 4: There's nothing anti Semitic about saying there's nothing even anti
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Speaker 4: Israel about saying.
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Speaker 5: That, okay, an, it's got a lot of picked up.
32:18
Speaker 1: I was Epstein's I was Epstein's lawyer.
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Speaker 6: I tried desperately to get him a good deal when
32:25
Speaker 6: he was first arrested. I went to the prosecution with
32:29
Speaker 6: everything we had. I asked Epstein over and over again,
32:32
Speaker 6: what can you tell me did you work for the government.
32:35
Speaker 6: Did you do anything for the government. If he had
32:37
Speaker 6: done anything for the government, first person he would have
32:39
Speaker 6: told would be me, and I would have gone to
32:42
Speaker 6: the government and say, well, you can't prosecute this guy.
32:44
Speaker 1: You have to let him off the hook. He's worked
32:45
Speaker 1: for the government.
32:46
Speaker 6: There isn't one iota of proof or truth to the
32:50
Speaker 6: claim that he worked for the Israeli government. Jeffrey Epstein
32:53
Speaker 6: visited me in Israel when I was there as a
32:55
Speaker 6: visiting scholar. It was the first time he had ever
32:58
Speaker 6: been to Israel. He asked me to put together a
33:00
Speaker 6: group of smart people to have lunch. I included Ron Barack.
33:04
Speaker 6: This looks a mere few people. He didn't know anybody
33:07
Speaker 6: in Israel. He has never had any connections with Israeli intelligence.
33:11
Speaker 6: And Tucker Carlson just made it up completely out of
33:14
Speaker 6: whole life.
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Speaker 1: But nothing now that was I thought really well done
33:20
Speaker 1: by Dershowitz. But the more significant part of Dershowitz's statements
33:26
Speaker 1: with Piers Morgan came on the subject of Okay, what's
33:31
Speaker 1: actually in the files? Because Dershowitz, being an egomaniac, wants
33:34
Speaker 1: everyone to know that he has information that nobody else has,
33:38
Speaker 1: but he's prevented by judges, rulings, gag orders from actually
33:43
Speaker 1: making that information public, and that has been misinterpreted. And
33:47
Speaker 1: I've said this on social media several times that I
33:50
Speaker 1: don't think Dershowitz is saying what people are thinking that
33:54
Speaker 1: he's saying because everyone wants to say, aha, see Dershowitz
33:58
Speaker 1: knows that there's gil people in that Epstein file. No,
34:02
Speaker 1: what Dershowitz is actually saying, if you parse it correctly,
34:07
Speaker 1: is that there are allegations against people in the Epstein files,
34:13
Speaker 1: but that he doesn't believe that they're likely credible because
34:16
Speaker 1: he knows for a fact, including his own personal experience,
34:20
Speaker 1: that there is misinformation in this case, and that several
34:24
Speaker 1: of the accusers, is particularly the most prominent accuser, the
34:27
Speaker 1: one who misidentified him, and that's the best way to
34:31
Speaker 1: interpret it, may have been a complete and total lie,
34:34
Speaker 1: trying to drag him into the story. The woman who
34:37
Speaker 1: accused Prince Andrew, the woman who just committed suicide a
34:41
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, who has massive, massive credibility problems
34:45
Speaker 1: and who I'm very convinced Dershowitz doesn't believe at all,
34:48
Speaker 1: And for good reason. Here we have Piers Morgan. I
34:52
Speaker 1: love this clip because it basically proves everything I've been
34:54
Speaker 1: trying to say about Dershowitz's view here, because Morgan uses
35:00
Speaker 1: the word prosecuted that he's essentially presuming that Dershowitz believes
35:08
Speaker 1: there's information in the Epstein files that indicate that people
35:12
Speaker 1: ought to be prosecuted, and Dershowitz, to his credit, says no, no, no,
35:17
Speaker 1: although he says it more subtly than that, I'm not
35:20
Speaker 1: saying they should be prosecuted. I'm actually kind of saying
35:24
Speaker 1: the opposite, because I don't believe that what's in there
35:27
Speaker 1: is remotely credible. Those are my words, But here's what
35:31
Speaker 1: Dershowitz actually said with in his interview with Piers Morgan.
35:36
Speaker 5: You've been quite vocal since the Trump administration shut down
35:40
Speaker 5: the Epstein case. You've been quite vocal that you know
35:43
Speaker 5: specific names of people that, in your estimation, this right
35:46
Speaker 5: should be prosecuted. So my question for you is, why
35:50
Speaker 5: don't you just put them out in the puppy domain.
35:53
Speaker 6: I can't because I'm under court order. The courts, two
35:56
Speaker 6: courts in the federal courts in New York have imposed
35:59
Speaker 6: gaggle on this.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
36:02
Speaker 6: Anybody who necessarily should be prosecuted. I know the names
36:05
Speaker 6: of people who were allegedly of clients or allegedly had sex,
36:12
Speaker 6: and those names are being suppressed because about and got Oh,
36:18
Speaker 6: probably just a handful, maybe even fewer, but we know
36:21
Speaker 6: that there are some, and we know that some of
36:24
Speaker 6: the names that are being suppressed not only are names
36:27
Speaker 6: of people who are accused, but also information about the accusers,
36:31
Speaker 6: because some of the accusations are clearly false accusations.
36:34
Speaker 1: And so what I've said.
36:35
Speaker 6: From day one is we want every single thing disclosed,
36:39
Speaker 6: nothing redacted, everything open, so that the public can judge
36:43
Speaker 6: the validity of the accusations, the name of the accusers,
36:46
Speaker 6: the names of the accused, and put it all forward
36:49
Speaker 6: so that the court of public opinion has all the information.
36:52
Speaker 1: There is no such thing as a client list.
36:55
Speaker 6: There is a redacted FBI form that has the names
37:00
Speaker 6: of several people, and they have been redacted and they
37:03
Speaker 6: should be unreversed.
37:05
Speaker 5: Sounds very similar to a client A client list to me.
37:09
Speaker 6: No it's an accusation. No, it's not a list. A
37:12
Speaker 6: list would be something that Epstein put together. This is
37:15
Speaker 6: a list of people who were accused by somebody or
37:19
Speaker 6: by others of having improper conduct, and those names have
37:23
Speaker 6: been suppressed.
37:24
Speaker 1: That's not a list, that's a list of accusations.
37:26
Speaker 6: They may all be false as far as we know.
37:28
Speaker 6: And if you're going to turn out the names of
37:30
Speaker 6: the people accused, you also are to provide all the
37:33
Speaker 6: information about the accusers.
37:35
Speaker 5: And in all your time for the finals, in all
37:39
Speaker 5: your time around Epstein in this case, and all your knowledge,
37:43
Speaker 5: anything to link President Trump, Donald Trump to anything in
37:48
Speaker 5: your eyes or to be further investigated.
37:52
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. They knew each other.
37:54
Speaker 6: They were part of the Palm Beach circle. Uh, they
37:57
Speaker 6: were at each other's homes and then apparently banned Epstein.
38:01
Speaker 1: From Myra A Lago.
38:02
Speaker 6: But there's never been an allegation that Trump did anything wrong,
38:07
Speaker 6: and I've never seen any evidence to suggest that a period.
38:10
Speaker 6: The same thing is true of Bill Clinton. There were
38:12
Speaker 6: all kinds of allegations that he was on the plane
38:14
Speaker 6: that was in the island that has never been proved.
38:17
Speaker 6: It's easy to make these accusations.
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Speaker 1: Now, I will acknowledge that I believe Dershowitz for at
38:25
Speaker 1: least one reason is that it fits with my view
38:28
Speaker 1: of the case, so I'll acknowledge a bias there. But
38:30
Speaker 1: it also makes the most damn sense. It also fits
38:34
Speaker 1: almost exactly with Donald Trump's view. Donald Trump's view is
38:39
Speaker 1: that this is a dangerous situation because there are going
38:43
Speaker 1: to be false allegations against innocent people that will be
38:47
Speaker 1: made based upon bogus information. If this these files, the
38:52
Speaker 1: information in this file is just released Willy Nilly, and
38:56
Speaker 1: he has said to Pam BONDI, if there's anything credible
38:58
Speaker 1: in there, we played the clip for it, then go
39:01
Speaker 1: ahead and release it. But I don't think there is
39:04
Speaker 1: anything that's all that credible when it comes to making
39:08
Speaker 1: allegations against people other than Jeffrey Epstein. And oh, by
39:12
Speaker 1: the way, you have a massive problem with the issue
39:15
Speaker 1: of what do you do about the accusers' names? And
39:18
Speaker 1: this has always been a hot button topic for me
39:21
Speaker 1: because I think if you're an adult and you make
39:24
Speaker 1: an allegation of sexual abuse, I'm sorry you have to
39:28
Speaker 1: have your name made public because your name is your identity,
39:32
Speaker 1: and your identity goes to your credibility. And we cannot
39:37
Speaker 1: assess your credibility without knowing your identity. And we've got
39:42
Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, former presidential candidate, who is out there saying
39:47
Speaker 1: release the ball, redact the names of the accusers, release
39:51
Speaker 1: all the information in the Epstein files. That's the worst
39:53
Speaker 1: possible scenario unless you're a fucking moron, because if you
39:58
Speaker 1: release and all this information whatever's in there, and allegations
40:04
Speaker 1: are made against seemingly or at least plausibly innocent people,
40:09
Speaker 1: and you redact the names of the accusers, so you
40:12
Speaker 1: can't even assess credibility, and you have got a nuclear
40:16
Speaker 1: powered story to begin with. That is a moral panic.
40:20
Speaker 1: That is a Salem witch trial. That is, you know,
40:26
Speaker 1: an absolute medieval public execution situation here. And for Nikki
40:32
Speaker 1: Haley to virtue signal and not understand that seemingly is
40:36
Speaker 1: just ridiculous. This is an area where Trump at least
40:38
Speaker 1: gets it because he's been falsely accused in this area
40:42
Speaker 1: in the past, and he understands the dangers of it.
40:46
Speaker 1: So I find myself with this extremely bizarre situation of
40:51
Speaker 1: supporting Donald Trump on this against his own cult, and
40:57
Speaker 1: I think Dershuwitz is telling the truth it's the center
41:00
Speaker 1: that makes the most sense, and it was articulated in
41:03
Speaker 1: an extremely I think coach and fashion by a guy
41:07
Speaker 1: my name of Michael Tracy. I've been on his show
41:11
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I think he's a contrarian, conservative
41:16
Speaker 1: ish but more moderate than me type of commentator. And
41:20
Speaker 1: he wrote an article called the Idiocy of the Epstein Mythology,
41:26
Speaker 1: The Idiocy of the Epstein Mythology, which, if you're interested
41:30
Speaker 1: in this story, and I think this very much articulates
41:34
Speaker 1: my view of it, you should search that up, The
41:37
Speaker 1: Idiocy of the Epstein Mythology by Michael Tracy, because it
41:41
Speaker 1: really does break down the complete absurdity and yes, the
41:46
Speaker 1: idiocy of this fairy tale, this fantasy that Maga has
41:50
Speaker 1: latched onto that is not supported by the facts, It's
41:53
Speaker 1: not supported by any logic, and it completely dovetails with
41:58
Speaker 1: my view. Include the Giselene Maxwell version of this. By
42:03
Speaker 1: the way, Maxwell is appealing her conviction for sex trafficking
42:07
Speaker 1: to the US Supreme Court. I have no idea what
42:10
Speaker 1: the chances of success are there, but given you know
42:14
Speaker 1: what we've now learned that there is no client list
42:17
Speaker 1: that Epstein, you know, obviously did kill himself, and that
42:22
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of anybody else being involved in the
42:26
Speaker 1: sex trafficking element of the story. At the very least,
42:30
Speaker 1: her case ought to be given a second look because
42:33
Speaker 1: it makes no Even even magat people have been acknowledging
42:37
Speaker 1: that her conviction makes no sense based upon what it
42:40
Speaker 1: is that we currently know. Now, I've always said with Maxwell,
42:43
Speaker 1: is it possible that she enabled the crimes? Yes. Is
42:46
Speaker 1: it possible that she acknowledge of the crimes, yes. Is
42:49
Speaker 1: it possible she looked the other way yes. Is it
42:51
Speaker 1: possible she was guilty of some level of minor crime. Yes,
42:56
Speaker 1: But she's in prison for the maybe the rest of
43:00
Speaker 1: her life, depending on how long she lives. And at
43:03
Speaker 1: the very least, her case was overcharged, and it was
43:07
Speaker 1: a prosecution that was done in the middle of a
43:09
Speaker 1: moral panic after Epstein killed himself, which left everybody desperate
43:15
Speaker 1: for someone to pay for his crimes, and she was
43:19
Speaker 1: the one that ended up paying for it. That's the
43:22
Speaker 1: scenario that makes the most sense in this sole situation.
43:25
Speaker 1: But from a political perspective, it is absolutely bonkers, absolutely
43:30
Speaker 1: bonkers that this is the story that has caused the
43:35
Speaker 1: most problem for Trump among his magabase and while I
43:40
Speaker 1: support him on it substantively, in a weird way, he
43:45
Speaker 1: deserves kind of what he's getting because this is what
43:49
Speaker 1: happens when you play with fire. This is what happens
43:54
Speaker 1: when you have created a situation where there's no conspiracy
43:58
Speaker 1: theory that you don't like. This is what happens when
44:01
Speaker 1: you don't have the guts to tell Tucker Carlson back
44:05
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three or twenty twenty four wherever it was,
44:08
Speaker 1: when he did that interview that we played in this
44:11
Speaker 1: podcast several times where he says, well, I think Ebstein
44:16
Speaker 1: killed himself. He probably killed himself. But you allow Tucker
44:19
Speaker 1: Carlson to hang on to this fairy tale thinking that
44:24
Speaker 1: it's a harmless fairy tale. Well, in this case, it
44:26
Speaker 1: wasn't harmless because at least as of right now, it's
44:29
Speaker 1: come back to haunt Trump. And you know, Trump should
44:33
Speaker 1: have been more declarative about this back when this story
44:37
Speaker 1: was not as big as it currently is, and that
44:39
Speaker 1: would have been a long time ago. Probably he should
44:41
Speaker 1: have done this immediately after Ebstein killed himself when he
44:46
Speaker 1: was president of the United States, and that didn't happen.
44:51
Speaker 1: So you know, you reap what you sew, and Trump
44:54
Speaker 1: has is reaping now a lot of this conspiracy bullshit,
44:59
Speaker 1: blowing back on it him after having sown numerous bogus
45:04
Speaker 1: conspiracies for a very long time, and now he's desperately
45:07
Speaker 1: trying to change the narrative and say that no, this
45:11
Speaker 1: is another democratic hoax, the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. But of
45:16
Speaker 1: course he's vulnerable here because everyone knows he had a
45:19
Speaker 1: relationship with Epstein, and he even made some sympathetic comments
45:24
Speaker 1: to Maxwell after she was charged with the crime of
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