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The Class Handbook; Wizard: Ep. 15 · Sessions Canceled

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  The wizard cast playing shift on the party and trap them in the
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  Abyssal realm. So sessions cancelled.
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  Welcome everyone to this edition of The Sessions canceled
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  podcast. I'm your host.
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  Once again, it's Matt. What is up?
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  I'm here with two out of the four goons here.
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  And here with Isaiah, hello. And Josh ding-dong.
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  Unfortunately Sam Samuel is out in the abyssal plain we weren't
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  able to bring them back Sam. So maybe this time like he
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  passed his con save, it's just going to be a hot minute before
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  he gets back. He'll get that at some point.
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  Yes, but he's not failing Concepts anymore.
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  That's the important thing. That's good.
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  Yeah, he's getting a lot of those for a while, as you do but
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  anywho z'n, there's another special episode.
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  This is our class book handbook, or book, Booker e.
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  Where we specifically talked about one of the D&D Rock'em the
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  in d5e classes specifically. And last time we talked about
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  the fighter, the anti-magic man, no magic allowed.
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  And this time this episode, as I stated in the intro, we're
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  specifically going to talk about the wizard.
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  Who is nothing but magic. Yeah.
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  I mean II said when we did the, the previous previous episode of
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  said series, that was like, you know, the to really
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  quintessential classes or Wizard and fighter and I was like, you
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  know, I decided to start a fighter but I was like, Wizards
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  gonna have to be close behind and then Matt said, let's just
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  do it now. And I went.
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  All right well I really do feel like if you were like all right
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  you only get two classes for the entire game.
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  I We have to pick a pick fighter and wizard.
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  Yeah, right. Like there are two iconic I
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  guess. Oh, yeah.
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  Well, iconic and kind of like the fighter because we're
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  probably going to say this word. A lot Wizards are also a very
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  versatile class. You can literally do almost
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  anything with the wizard, just like a fighter to some regards
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  at least. I feel like that.
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  I don't know if you guys, I don't know what your opinions
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  exactly are on the wizard. yeah, I mean wizards have a lot of
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  options but I don't They can do a lot of things within their
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  scope, but like you know, don't expect like I'm trying to like
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  you can't be like a Healer wizard.
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  You can't ride. That's the be like a heavy
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  support e wizard. A lot of wizards does pretty
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  self-centered. Like you can pick support a
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  spells with a lot of like the abilities.
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  You get a pretty self-centered. Like there's certain things
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  they're not quite there at but they have a lot of Since within
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  their their, their scope is fairly broad.
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  Yeah, definitely. Mmm.
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  But um, yeah, so car, like last time we have the few questions
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  that we kind of are going to ask ourselves, you know, rating the
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  wizard. Who do we think is a good
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  example of a wizard media? You know what our favorite
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  classes are subclasses and all that but I guess just in
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  general, you know, mental gin. What are we?
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  What are our thoughts on the wizard?
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  As like as a whole like we like it or we ain't just like basic
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  that's what the ring is for met. All right fine let's just go
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  let's just go to the wheel over ratings.
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  Should I should I explain the scale again for posterity?
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  Sure what my Logic on the scale is sure.
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  Yeah I'm just kind of hijacking the rating at this point.
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  I have no idea what's going on laughs.
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  All right, so one to five scale again, this is our personal
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  Ratings, by the way, this is not how the class stands up in the
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  meta or how other people feel better.
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  And that bullshit just our personal writing about the
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  class. Now Josh by your flag in the
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  ground, our opinions are facts, I mean you know yes so 125 a one
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  being I hate it. I'm not interested nothing about
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  it, excites me, I think it's badly designed just not about
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  it. A3 is like got some good.
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  Got some Bed, I'm sort of, you know, there's some parts that I
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  like to some parts of it. I don't.
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  Maybe there's a subclass I really, really dislike and a
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  subclass. I really really like and then a
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  five is again, not perfect, because perfect is never on the
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  table. So there's no point in trying to
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  talk about it. Five just means you're super
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  super into it. You like everything, you're
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  doing, you like most of the subclass, if not, all of the
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  subclass options. You like the ways to design, you
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  think it's well, made, you're on that team, there's always things
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  you could change. But if you're saying it's a 5,
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  it means, there's either very few things, you could change Ru
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  adore, you would change or those things.
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  You would change, would be a lot of like minor tweaks as opposed
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  to Big sweeping changes. Mmm, so thanks to you.
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  Yeah. Who wants to with that?
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  I mean I guess if you want to you guys want to go first and
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  I'll go look. Well I would first like to go
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  first. Okay, all right.
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  So yeah I'll go first so I'm a little biased.
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  I'm not gonna lie because I was being biased.
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  True Okay, so I do really like the wizard class, its kind at
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  the tie for me, for if it's my favorite class in 5e Dean Dean
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  General, I just love the idea of the Caster, who can do almost
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  anything, you know, they wish with the means of magic and
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  spells and all that jazz. So I think the wizard is
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  honestly a 5 for me. Just because like, I do enjoy
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  and I do like all the subclasses.
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  I don't feel like, there's like a One, or there's one that I'm
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  like, kind of man on I would probably try all of them at
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  least once. Yeah, yeah, I do like the fact
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  that they break them down, like the original ones to its each
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  one is a school of magic and each one, you know, they get,
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  they do specific things with that school of magic and then
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  later, on, with more books come out, they do, you know, they
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  gotta break away from that, but I just like that idea.
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  In general with the Wizards, you said it tied for top for you.
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  Who's it tied with Palin? Interests.
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  Yeah. Right.
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  Yeah, it completely. Yeah.
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  It's such a weird because after a Vernis like because I always
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  like the Paladin but I never was like is my favorite because I
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  regionally the road was my favorite but I've been playing
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  old wizard for like now I'm realizing for fucking years in
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  storm Kings thunder. So now I'm kind of like, maybe I
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  should put wizard up top but then after the send to have
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  Earnest and playing Now, the tango and the event of engine
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  Paladin and I do kind of have the same kind of affinity of the
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  polity is very good, mixed bag of like I can do literally
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  whatever I want to do. I don't know if I fall.
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  Yeah. What about you?
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  What about you guys? Is that?
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  What do you, what about you? What do you bring you?
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  Our ranking the wizard from before I do can you didn't give
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  us your favorite subclass and you didn't Us who you think the
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  idea of like the platonic ideal of a wizard is?
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  Oh I thought we were doing either.
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  Ratan the yeah, I thought we're gonna round robin.
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  It didn't we round-robin it last time or do we know.
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  We know, we went straight through the whole list each one
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  of us. Yeah, I do remember that
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  surrounds the freedom, the number.
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  Yeah. The three initial questions are
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  rating, who's the quintessential wizard for you, and have you
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  played it, obviously met, you have played it.
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  Okay, so I guess Loops ask skip If the the alright I'm going to
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  do my questions, I guess mixed in order.
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  I'm sorry. I mean, they don't have to be
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  right? So, as I said I played a wizard
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  for four years, I still can't remember half the abilities of
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  the class, but I have played a abjuration wizard for four years
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  which goddamn let me tell you the abjuration wizard I guess.
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  Also favorite subclass abjuration wizard.
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  It is the quintessential like anti-mage.
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  I'm gonna shut down others. Cast is I'm going to make sure
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  they don't do anything. I'm gonna protect my allies and
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  mostly myself because I'm squishy.
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  And yeah, I do I just would like the idea of the abjuration
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  wizard with the, you know, it's the doctor strange kind of like,
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  you know, energy Shield but it's always imagined it being blue
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  for the, the Arcane Ward and all that jazz and I guess, yeah,
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  quintessential wizard. I just going to, I'm just going
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  to keep rolling with the yeah, I think dr.
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  Strange's is a good example. Yeah, I think just The spice is
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  sing named. The sorcerer Supreme very much,
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  not a sorcerer in the dad. He Marvel, what are you doing?
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  I think actually, actually, this is a good here.
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  This is, I was gonna wait till we got around to me, but this is
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  a good little Segway footnote. I thing, I realized when it
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  comes to being like, who's a good example of this DND class,
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  write that whole game, which a lot of people like to play a lot
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  of the time, like, oh, Batman, v Superman's, a fighter Bubble
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  trait that whole show I want to make Wolverine on, make
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  Wolverine? Yeah. all right, I think a thing
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  I realized is when you're dealing with the Marshal classes
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  It's easier to do because when you get to Magic like, you know,
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  when you get to cast her heavy classes, the thing I realized is
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  that every form of media has a different magic system.
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  And because everybody has their own magic systems, it becomes
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  incredibly difficult to try and compare and contrast because
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  think try and tell me another form of media that uses.
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  Even similar to spell slots, you know what I mean?
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  Or like van. See and casting back in the day
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  like that's a very DND esque thing.
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  So it's really hard to make those comparison points.
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  Which is why I kind of had a hard time thinking about like
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  who is a good like quintessential wizard for me.
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  I had an issue. Doctor Strange is very high on
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  my list because I do think he's got big wizard energy, right?
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  He's got that like I've studied for many years, it's very clear.
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  He has different schools. He sort of an axe when he does
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  his casting. Like there's there's there's
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  little hints in sides. But yeah, it's the differing
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  magic systems makes it tricky, right?
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  And that's why I feel like Doctor Strange is kind of like a
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  good because like when you think of like, I'm just going to say
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  fucking, you know, like actually I'll save some of the other ones
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  because I have a bunch on the list.
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  I want to talk about later just like as other examples, besides
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  the ones that we're going to mention but like, do I think dr.
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  Strange is a good example, not specifically of a DD wizard
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  could just like the idea of the wizard of the guy who can do.
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  Whatever they wish with the means of magic.
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  And spell casting and like me like you're saying, he studied
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  in practice. I think the study and symbols
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  the studying is a big thing for me, that was studying is a very
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  big thing. Yeah.
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  Because that's how much like in dungeons dragons, that's out.
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  Like, what source and differentiates between the
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  source or the sorcerer's are born with magic and they can use
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  it and learn to like control it or just let you know, wild
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  magic. Where's the wizard has to
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  practice and read and learn and you know They kind of have to
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  work at craft. Yeah, yeah.
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  So yeah, let's see that. I think I guess I want to save,
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  I want to say the last question that.
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  How would you fix it? No, no, that's like--that's
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  later. That's why I want because guys
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  don't listen to me. No, that's why I section the
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  first three questions off separately.
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  Yeah. Read the notes.
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  All right. Listen, everybody.
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  We don't do show notes a lot, but for this particular thing, I
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  want to do a little bit of show notes and now you see what
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  happens. You see what happens when I try
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  and give Show notes where everything falls apart.
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  Yeah. Anyways, yeah.
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  Okay. Well, well side rate, was it a
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  5? I love wizard.
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  Wizard. Probably my favorite if not
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  second favorite class in the game.
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  Let's go. So I'm about to hit you with my,
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  I'm going to be true to my cringe self because I think the
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  current quintessential wizard for me right now.
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  Is a Eda cloth Thorn from the AL house.
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  Yeah, I don't get this reference but I will take your work, don't
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  worry. So the way that that do magic in
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  that show is you have to learn spells and you don't have a
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  spell book, you have to memorize all of them but the spells all
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  require herbal somatic and its most times material components.
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  They are able to up cast their spells by you kinda cast spells
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  by drawing circles in the air and that Circle, replicates a
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  glyph. And then they touch it and then
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  it doesn't spell. But depending on the size of
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  their Circle, you draw the more powerful.
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  The spell is, so like a little circle, the size of a baseball,
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  we'll do like a Firebolt, but if we've seen eat a draw, like body
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  sized circles, and it's just a fireball, it's just like a nuke
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  going off. So they're up casting.
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  Yeah, they're basically throw in ninth level spells and shit.
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  Yeah, they don't have a spell slots per se, but they talk
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  about very early on like, you know, obviously, if you you make
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  a bunch of really big circles, you Tire yourself out really
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  quickly, and they are shown to run out of stamina, eventually
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  to concentrate on spells implied.
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  Spell slots. Yeah, and they have to
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  concentrate on spells. They also have in the show like
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  this different schools of magic to, like the Indies.
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  Although it's like, you know, it was the critics actual Big D,
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  and D nerd, because this is probably weirdly well, maybe
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  because it, but then like you have some of the schools where
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  it's like, all right death, fire slime.
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  You're like wait, Well, the Slime when it's like familiar
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  summiting by now, but it's not even funny.
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  Those are weird, but also not like the idea of having schools.
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  In general, is sort of, within the D, and DS, crelm.
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  So, it's not that weird. So, yeah, I just, I was like, I
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  was thinking about this today, because I was gonna say Cipher,
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  but not as, because Cipher was another one that came pretty
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  high on my list because she's also a because I've heard people
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  say that science is a sorcerer and I'm that massively confused
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  by that statement. Hello, Sheila, and her magic.
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  She wasn't born with it. Hmm.
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  All right, when we get to the sorcerer episode, we might have
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  to have this chat because I'm kind of on the Syfy, as a
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  sorcerer Camp knife or a couple of spares a couple of key
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  things. What show is Cipher from again?
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  I'm sorry, a special video. Oh yeah, she's a wizard amazing.
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  The Amazing, very Greek Spanish. She's actually whatever.
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  I believe she's actually 40. No, she's from that.
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  Damn it. I knew to I know I don't know.
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  She looks. Like an Irish lady in your
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  decks. It's confusing but anyway, it
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  doesn't matter. I'm crying redheaded lady with
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  the confusing accent. Yes but yeah, I am kind of in
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  the surface of sorcerer can't but I can kind of see the
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  argument on Wizard too. Yeah.
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  I was gonna say because isn't it all like through like language
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  and learning how to? Yeah.
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  Yeah. There's a couple of specific.
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  There's a couple again. We're not talking about
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  Sorcerers or I won't get into it too much but there's a couple of
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  specific things that that has turned my thought in that
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  direction. But Spoilers for lit, for
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  whatever we do the sorcerer episode.
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  So sipho is from the Iberian Peninsula in Spain, okay.
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  Okay. So she's Spain Spanish.
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  Yeah. And you have played wizard this.
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  I know I've played was it for a very long time.
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  It is not as long as mad, not years, but I played was her for
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  a few months, and it is a so much fun.
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  This is the conjuration gag. Yes.
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  Yeah, my little Summoner gnome. I love him to death.
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  My child and I said at one point I was never, I was going to use
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  him in that one game and then nothing else.
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  But I've since changed my mind if Yachts are explodes and I
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  can't bring him back. I'm definitely putting rava in a
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  magic goon Academia. Straight up sick.
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  Okay. Oh no wait.
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  That means I'll be the only Marshall character.
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  Arranger is Marshall Yeah, but he is he a ranger?
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  Yes. Oh, I thought he was a wizard.
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  Sorry, I have. I was mix.
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  Not red. You gotta trust was a wizard.
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  Not trust. No, no I meant no, not trust the
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  Isaiah's characters talking about.
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  He said, if yacht. Yeah, he said, if yato died, if
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  you're doing it again. Yeah, you said you said, your
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  character would be the only Marshall but trust is a ranger
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  by. He uses up all that doesn't
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  count. That's a marshal, get out of
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  here. Oh, my, he's my best when I say
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  is maybe the only close-range fighter.
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  That's a different statement back line.
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  Front line is different than Marshall and cast.
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  I stand, I stand by my opinion. These are facts and I know that
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  you just don't talk, right? Good.
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  Nope, frickin fingers. All right, speak on a pot case.
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  Anyway, yeah my turn I guess. Yeah, okay I guess this is just
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  gonna be all, we all suck off wizard, the episode because I'm
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  also pretty much in the camp of wizards, like one of my
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  favorites. However, this is like, this is
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  like the Obama mean giving a metal to yourself as you like
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  us. Yeah.
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  Like we did, however, I think Wizards a four for me.
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  With the caveat that pushing it over to a 5 would be pretty
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  easy. And the reason it falls to a
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  foreign not quite a 5 for me. Is because the one thing that
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  really bugs me about Wizard and sorcerer has a little bit of
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  this problem too. Is, there is too many levels
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  where I just see that empty box for features, but you get a new
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  spell level and And yes you're the wizard.
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  So your whole thing is you get more spells your the spell caste
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  guy, moar pew, pew spells and on the empty box levels you get a
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  new level like you get a new spell level, I get it.
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  I do, I understand I just It just bugs me.
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  I just want them to get something especially because on
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  top of that, some of those boxes are just ASI.
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  It's just like, you know, and obviously feeds but that's like
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  a whole other thing. So, yeah, I the one thing that
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  irks me a little bit wizard is that I just wish they got some
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  more class features along the way and I don't even really need
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  them to be anything big. I just want them to be something
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  because I just feel like that empty box is just like
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  Disappointing to look at I don't know I don't exactly know what I
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  would give them but I just want to give them something little
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  things a lot. Like for example sorcerer got
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  what's that ability called in Tasha's?
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  Magical guidance? Where you can like re-roll
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  abilities at level 5? Yeah, little things like that
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  along the way, you know, they kind of got something I think
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  they at all. I third level that the Contra
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  formula that was the new that sometimes just for swapping
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  cancer upset. I know that don't do nothing,
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  don't deny it so I know we're going to get people in the
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  comments being like no, there's a reason why they don't have no
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  shut up. I am so mad.
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  When a level up gives you literally nothing like I know
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  that's what I'm talking about. I guess not literally nothing.
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  If you're playing with her you are getting hike higher spell
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  slots. But I want like a class feature
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  for everything even if it's something simple, right.
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  That's what I literally was just saying I said, I know, I know
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  but I'm saying. A macro scale.
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  I really don't like when you don't get something.
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  Oh yeah, I know this applies to everything.
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  I'm just saying for the wizard. Specifically that's the one sort
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  of like - mark on Wizard for me as they have a lot of that but
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  it does. You're right?
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  It does apply to everything. I yeah when any time you level
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  up and you don't get anything it's like me, right?
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  Because I'm looking at the list right now.
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  It's literally like literally every other spell, level Arcane
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  tradition, you spell level ability, score, new spell, level
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  Arcane tradition. Repeat.
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  Yeah. That's I'm saying like just and
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  it doesn't need to be crazy but like something you know I don't
• 21:01
  like imagine if the wizard at like tenth level or like well I
• 21:05
  wouldn't be 10 at like level 9. It's like ah your magic.
• 21:09
  You know, you're getting more comfortable with your magic +12,
• 21:13
  your spell safety? See you know like stuff like
• 21:15
  that. Just like something.
• 21:18
  So yeah, that that's that's that's that's the only reason
• 21:21
  wizard doesn't had a 5 for me but it's I said I'm not going to
• 21:26
  we're not doing decimals but it would be like a four-point like
• 21:30
  nine for me. Basically it's almost an guy
• 21:32
  breaking his own rules over time saving or I'm sticky dough for.
• 21:36
  I'm just saying I like hypothetically, I'm sticking.
• 21:38
  Yeah. 4. So 4 is always at fault for me
• 21:40
  and I thought but it is still one of my favorites.
• 21:42
  I fuck, I do fucking love Wizard and like reading over the
• 21:45
  subclass There's a couple of things.
• 21:47
  I was, I didn't even know about with some of the sub classes are
• 21:50
  like, oh, that's fun. That's fun.
• 21:52
  So, yeah, any time I'm reading through the class and I'm like,
• 21:56
  oh, that gives me a fun idea. Oh, that gives me a new way to
• 21:58
  get any of that, always good. Now, all right.
• 22:02
  Oh, I'm Gonna Save My, My Wizard of choices for last, but I have
• 22:08
  not up. So, I've played wizard for a
• 22:12
  grand total of two sessions. I'm just going to say I haven't
• 22:14
  played wizard. I want shots count.
• 22:18
  I do know that because it was the first two sessions of the
• 22:22
  initial round of magic goon Academia where we didn't.
• 22:24
  We barely didn't, like, basically didn't do anything.
• 22:27
  It doesn't count either. I have not played wizard, like,
• 22:30
  I'm just not. I refuse to count it.
• 22:32
  Was it the goblin? The sexy Goblin game.
• 22:35
  That's a me. Yes, that's what I was the.
• 22:38
  Yeah, the dwarf wild magic word that you heard our, yeah, dude,
• 22:42
  you're an idiot. So I just I'm just going to say
• 22:44
  I haven't played with her because it was so little That
• 22:47
  just does, it's not even worth counting it.
• 22:50
  I do want to play Wizard and I think a Wizard's probably gonna
• 22:53
  be my next character that I play, but, you know, I'm just
• 22:58
  gonna say, I have it now, my, my quintessential wizard is kind of
• 23:05
  a funny one and I'm gonna need y'all to like, hear me out first
• 23:08
  actually, I think Isaiah will know where I'm going with this.
• 23:10
  Matt might be a little confused here.
• 23:12
  I'm honking to hold my hand. Yeah, thanks for later.
• 23:16
  Interesting choice of words met because I know the
• 23:21
  quintessential wizard for me. Don't you say it?
• 23:23
  I think it's Donald Duck. Oh my God, I hate you and my
• 23:27
  god. Wow.
• 23:34
  Donna and Kingdom Hearts. Okay, I was about to ask the
• 23:37
  quintessential wizard here really is out of all the Disney
• 23:42
  Wizards. You can said, like, Jafar or
• 23:44
  Merlin? Donald fucking mud duck.
• 23:49
  Yes. Now, I damn it.
• 23:52
  You could also, arguably, extend this to Mickey and Kingdom
• 23:56
  Hearts a little bit too. But Mickey does a lot of
• 23:58
  physical fighting to. So like, it's not quite the
• 24:00
  same, Donald is 100. % pure Wizard and Isaiah.
• 24:06
  I know. I know this frustrates you but
• 24:08
  like, hear me out. Donald's, whole thing is, he's a
• 24:11
  big fucking nerd. He has all this magical power
• 24:14
  because he studied real hard and he's real good at it, right?
• 24:18
  He works real hard. He's the head of the all the
• 24:21
  magic horse shit that goes on at Disney Castle.
• 24:23
  He up cast. His spells grow in power and as
• 24:27
  we've seen recently in Kingdom Hearts 3, he very clearly has
• 24:31
  ninth level Spells at the Maybe maybe more please don't remind
• 24:36
  me that he can cast Zeta flare. So like that's what I'm saying.
• 24:40
  Like Donald is Really powerful. And oh my God, and I think it's
• 24:46
  also worth pointing out. We don't get to see it a lot
• 24:48
  because Donald is kind of played off as a joke.
• 24:51
  A lot of the time in the Kingdom Hearts series, but every once in
• 24:53
  a while, when Donald gets to be smart, he is super fucking smart
• 24:57
  and he does like know what to do, you know?
• 25:00
  It's just they don't give them the chance a lot of the time.
• 25:03
  So yeah. Also, the way that he liked, the
• 25:07
  way he cast spells, the fact that like his spells like grow
• 25:11
  in power and they Increase in levels and like he gets better.
• 25:15
  The way he uses his wand is very Dean desk like it's just
• 25:19
  actually sad thing. Donald is a good one right.
• 25:22
  Do you guys prefer your Wizards or and or spellcasters to use a
• 25:26
  wand or a staff were like what's your, what's your casting?
• 25:30
  Focus. I prefer stabs if I am Focus.
• 25:34
  Wands are kind of nerdy in the don't like them.
• 25:37
  Yeah I'm not crazy about systems, I'm not crazy about
• 25:40
  want. Ideally I think a wizard should
• 25:42
  use there. Spell book as a focus which is
• 25:45
  why I like for them order of scribes, that's a thing now.
• 25:47
  Yeah, I was about to say yes, probably Wizards.
• 25:50
  Yeah, yeah. Okay.
• 25:52
  Here's the question. Do you think that VV would also
• 25:56
  be a good wizard, 100%? Yeah, nothing Vivi from love
• 26:02
  this E9, the Black Mage will cause the pressure would be
• 26:04
  there. Would you count any black mage
• 26:08
  as Um because I feel like I feel like Donald and Vivi and the
• 26:17
  other colored Mages in FF are kind of limited because to me a
• 26:23
  wizard is marked by their ability to do damage but also
• 26:27
  their ability to control. I don't think Donald is limited
• 26:32
  because you have to think about particularly the things that
• 26:35
  Donald can get like, like gravida and fucking stop and
• 26:39
  cure. And all that.
• 26:40
  So I think in, in there, in the Kingdom Hearts Universe, Donald
• 26:44
  is not limited Vivi. And black, Mages can be limited
• 26:50
  because they only have their essentially like evocation, only
• 26:53
  Wizards. Hmm.
• 26:55
  But they're still fairly wizardy, I think.
• 27:00
  I think it also depends on which Final Fantasy or talking about
• 27:03
  because sometimes black mage's get to do more and sometimes
• 27:07
  they are very much. Only damage Mages, you know what
• 27:10
  I mean? Like if you're talking about
• 27:11
  Final Fantasy, 14 Black Mage, they are only damage and almost
• 27:16
  nothing else. But if you're talking is my
• 27:19
  favorite wizard because he uses a sword.
• 27:23
  Sorry, I don't know. Shit about Final Fantasy.
• 27:26
  But like, yes, if you're talking about, like, Magic and stuff in
• 27:31
  something like fucking. I don't know like eight, for
• 27:33
  example, and then you're in like a totally different realm.
• 27:35
  So it kind of depends but I think Vivi is still a pretty
• 27:39
  good example, but you're right. And that he is a bit more
• 27:40
  limited but Vivi does have kind of that overwhelming like, you
• 27:46
  know, force of nature. Type big dick.
• 27:49
  Big dick is spell power pew, pew, energy.
• 27:52
  I'm honestly surprised you didn't pick your stola, you
• 27:56
  know, because you stole a still a fucking White Mage in my head.
• 28:03
  I like, I guess, but if you think about it, your stroller is
• 28:05
  also pretty close to a platonic ideal of a wizard, right.
• 28:08
  She is now magic, she didn't used to be because even at the
• 28:13
  she had to. She learned from.
• 28:15
  I'm sorry Matt, I'm sorry and he listener who's about to get to
• 28:17
  us to deal with this one? Okay, yeah, took context.
• 28:20
  If I okay, you stole has a character in Final Fantasy. 14.
• 28:23
  She's one of the main characters that's in your party.
• 28:26
  She used to be a Healer and Is now just add, I do what I want.
• 28:33
  Wizard basically, they just call her a sorcerer.
• 28:36
  So, you know, well, so the reason why I think she's a good
• 28:39
  idea for a wizard is because she had to learn all her abilities.
• 28:44
  She had a teacher and my Toya is definitely, always her toyish
• 28:50
  for Christ's sake. She, she animated brooms in her
• 28:53
  hut and she's got a big pointy, wizard hat.
• 28:55
  She also, she also has a bunch of frog familiars that like, do
• 28:59
  Her bidding. Yeah, you're still looking do
• 29:02
  damage. She can support, she can heal
• 29:06
  but we've sort of healing and 14 is not really healing.
• 29:10
  It's more like bolstering. So yeah, I would say your soul
• 29:13
  especially now she's 100% the again.
• 29:15
  I got yesterday now she is, but before I would say she wasn't
• 29:19
  because she was so heavily, a conjurer before and conjurer
• 29:24
  your stola is still cemented in my brain.
• 29:27
  I don't accept. Modernity Embrace tradition.
• 29:33
  Like I have a hard time. I have a hard time being like,
• 29:36
  yes, you just told the Black Mage, like, I know it's a thing
• 29:39
  now. But yeah, yes, like you're not
• 29:42
  wrong. She's a good example.
• 29:45
  But yeah. Yeah.
• 29:46
  I don't know. Donald's, just the one that came
• 29:48
  to mind he just, I was like, oh, Donald really like hits all the
• 29:50
  boxes for me in a funny way, you know.
• 29:53
  And I also think doesn't Donald deserves more love than he gets.
• 29:57
  Yeah. I mean thinking about it now
• 29:58
  because I as I've only Only played a very limited amount of
• 30:01
  Kingdom Hearts, but thinking, back on the Spells and
• 30:03
  everything it's like, yeah, I can see that.
• 30:05
  Okay, I could, I can definitely see it, you know, I'm also also,
• 30:09
  I needed to push, I needed to take and off, and push him as
• 30:12
  far away from my brain as possible because it's punches.
• 30:15
  He's called a wizard. He is not a wizard in any way
• 30:18
  and is very hard. No, I just I just agree that,
• 30:20
  but I want to save that. What's your favorite subclass?
• 30:23
  First? Before we get into that, because
• 30:24
  I don't want to talk about border of scraps, scribes.
• 30:28
  Okay, scribes so fuck it. His scribes scribes is the type
• 30:32
  of wizard that's like everyone picked on the wizard for being a
• 30:36
  fucking nerd in high school and the Order of scribes wizard was
• 30:39
  like, you know what, I'm gonna just double down, I'm such a big
• 30:43
  nerd. I made my book.
• 30:44
  My only friends Jesus is Love. I love how quarter of scribes
• 30:50
  wizard is the most wizardy wizard, like order of scribes.
• 30:53
  Is that kid that you picked on in high school?
• 30:55
  And now they own like a startup company and fucking California,
• 30:58
  like it has that At energy. I love some scribes.
• 31:03
  I also love their spell book being their focus.
• 31:06
  I think that's like such a. I love the idea of casting
• 31:09
  spells from a spell book specifically.
• 31:11
  Yeah. It's a really cool guy.
• 31:12
  He's such a good like yeah especially if you like do
• 31:17
  something weird with your spell book like make it like I don't
• 31:19
  know like that in the Zenith ours guide.
• 31:21
  They have like what is your spell book?
• 31:23
  And some some one of them was like it's a bunch of tattoos
• 31:25
  written on my skin or yeah, like one critic, a great example is
• 31:31
  In Final Fantasy, 14. There's a class called scholar
• 31:34
  which is a Healer but there they use a book to heal and Castle
• 31:39
  their spells with. And they have an ability that
• 31:41
  puts like a healing barrier around you, and they basically
• 31:44
  rip a bunch of pages out of their book and like, throw them
• 31:47
  up in the air, and then the pages land around your target,
• 31:50
  like float around them like a shield that's kind of neat.
• 31:54
  Okay, thanks visual. I love that.
• 32:02
  I had asked to me and Jake peaches.
• 32:06
  Difference. But I do want to talk like kind
• 32:11
  of side back or side back but anguish Mac, which back?
• 32:16
  Yeah I want to take it back. Take it back.
• 32:17
  Now y'all quintessential Wizards like media like a bunch of like
• 32:21
  other ones because I found a surprising amount and I also
• 32:26
  found that some of the surprising amount, like the ones
• 32:29
  that I found, there were arguments about them being
• 32:32
  Sorcerers or warlocks. Thanks.
• 32:37
  Here's the thing about again, this kind of goes back to what I
• 32:40
  was talking about with magic with like how everyone has a
• 32:44
  different magic system, right? The problem is that a lot of
• 32:48
  wizards, like a lot of characters that are called
• 32:51
  Wizards by name in media are really close, but there's a
• 32:56
  couple of key things that make them not a wizard.
• 32:59
  In the D&D sense, they're kind of their own thing and a lot of
• 33:02
  that comes down to how you handle your magic system and
• 33:05
  that flavoring what your kind of wizard is, you know.
• 33:10
  So like I have imagined the I imagine the list you're about to
• 33:13
  Rattle off. I'm gonna be like that guys
• 33:14
  close but not quite. That one's also.
• 33:16
  But not quite like, because died.
• 33:18
  I've thought about this, and that's the conclusion.
• 33:21
  I always end up coming to write. Well, I only have a couple that
• 33:25
  I don't know if you guys found extras or you just kind of
• 33:27
  supposed to specifically targeted like one person, but
• 33:30
  like, I like to grab a like a grab bag.
• 33:32
  Just, you know, just like a look at a bunch of mud.
• 33:35
  Yeah, so one of them for me personally, because I love her
• 33:39
  in both the novel in the novels, in the TV show and the video
• 33:43
  game yennefer of vengerberg. Yeah.
• 33:45
  Tristan yeah. Jennifer guy.
• 33:47
  Wow, yeah, well, I want to specifically go specifically
• 33:52
  yennefer because there's a lot of like, obviously Chic.
• 33:56
  They're called sorceresses and all that.
• 33:59
  But like, specifically, it's like you have the innate ability
• 34:02
  to use magic, but she had to go and learn how to, like, use it
• 34:07
  out through, Reading and training.
• 34:09
  Hold on, hold on. Fucking and what Matt are we
• 34:12
  about to fight? Why are you just leaving?
• 34:14
  And fucking? He did say, that's Look, that's
• 34:21
  not important right now. Are you giving you my girl Trish
• 34:24
  it are you not giving her credit?
• 34:27
  Listen yeah I'm in t me out of her all the way baby.
• 34:37
  All right all right all right here's what here's my thing.
• 34:40
  I'll agree with you. If for the show, I don't like
• 34:44
  Trish in the show, but Tristan the games.
• 34:46
  Come on now? No, I'm not.
• 34:48
  So again. Yeah, I love Trish in the games
• 34:50
  as well. I just, I just like, yennefer, I
• 34:53
  just prefer, God, the character and the type of those those
• 34:58
  typos ladies Trish, it's true. I'm sorry.
• 35:06
  I my brain is, my brain is shot in our Trish.
• 35:08
  Tris your right wrist. Yeah, I've never heard someone
• 35:11
  call her. Pretty sure this is Christian
• 35:14
  the same. All right, damn it, Josh.
• 35:16
  Now, you can, please me. It's too risky, right?
• 35:18
  Be long. I could be wrong, but I'm just
• 35:19
  tired anyway. Sure, some fucking matter.
• 35:21
  What matters is that Matt is not giving her the credit she is do.
• 35:25
  I'm not sick. I said, I liked her, I just like
• 35:27
  get it for more would not know, but you're saying, we all yet it
• 35:30
  for, when I throw this hardship and had to learn like, Trish
• 35:32
  didn't do any of that. I didn't like she just didn't do
• 35:34
  that. I left in that to.
• 35:36
  This is devolved into wizard wife.
• 35:37
  Who Wars? Yes.
• 35:38
  Yes, you're putting words in my mouth.
• 35:41
  Well, because You said, I'm gonna focus more on yennefer,
• 35:44
  right? Because that's okay.
• 35:46
  So I'm focusing more on her because all doing so issue,
• 35:55
  Wizard or sorcerer Earth. Tripp University of the Indie?
• 36:00
  Yeah, Dino eggs. I think the spell Casters in,
• 36:03
  which are all well. Who.
• 36:08
  Because there is something to be said about them having like you
• 36:11
  have that initial like spark or innate ability that like K blood
• 36:18
  or whatever the hell that allows you to cast spells, but you have
• 36:21
  to go and learn it. You have to go and wizard
• 36:24
  Sorcerers school and again, you know, through like practicing
• 36:29
  and learning and fucking you have to you, you learn all these
• 36:32
  things to master the magical Arts.
• 36:35
  Um, okay. Well here's the thing.
• 36:38
  The Of learning and practicing is not anti sorcerer, right?
• 36:42
  Because you could be a sorcerer whose like, you know, your dad's
• 36:46
  a dragon. So you're naturally gifted but
• 36:48
  someone could still teach you how to use your abilities.
• 36:51
  Right? So I don't know that the
• 36:53
  learning thing is like your anti sorcerer as far as they are in
• 36:58
  The Witcher though. Oh, I don't know.
• 37:05
  This is so you want to talk about it because it's obvious.
• 37:08
  Interesting, here's where I thought I was gonna initially
• 37:11
  say their wizards, but actually, I think they might be Sorcerers
• 37:14
  and there's a key, a key Point, like a key plot point, They have
• 37:21
  to use their own life Essence for Magic.
• 37:28
  Like they're pulling directly from themselves and or something
• 37:33
  very close by. But even when they're using
• 37:35
  something else is like a conduit.
• 37:36
  They're still the implication of like you using your own body's
• 37:40
  energy, they don't really specify exactly what it is.
• 37:43
  But the fact that they kind of to pull from themselves, implies
• 37:46
  this like innate, the magic is coming from you specifically,
• 37:50
  whereas like a wizard in D&D is like I'm a big fucking nerd.
• 37:54
  Who knows the right equation to make the.
• 37:56
  We've do what I want. Man, I know you wanted to say
• 37:59
  something, but I feel like I want to instruct your
• 38:01
  technically aren't of are using your own energy as a 5e wizard.
• 38:06
  That's what the spell slots are, right?
• 38:08
  You're like draining yourself. That's why like specifically
• 38:12
  things like Arcane recovery, write the ideas that you are
• 38:14
  like, but you can't try and kill yourself.
• 38:19
  Same thing with the sorcerer, you can't do this with you.
• 38:20
  You can't kill. No, no, I know what I'm saying,
• 38:22
  is, I know, but I'm saying the fact that in the, which are they
• 38:25
  straight up like killed themselves?
• 38:27
  Implies that it goes beyond just like, using your life.
• 38:31
  Essence, to feel this. It's like, it's a little deeper
• 38:34
  than that. Which, to me implies.
• 38:36
  It's more intrinsic to the like body / Soul well.
• 38:42
  So I actually will put forth this.
• 38:46
  It's basically, they're basically over Channel.
• 38:50
  Yeah, I guess I don't know. I I think I'm falling on their
• 38:55
  more than more Sorcerers. So it's because they do make a
• 38:58
  point that you can't be a spellcaster without the initial
• 39:02
  innate talent in The Witcher Universe unless you're a writer
• 39:06
  or whatever. Well, no, because even with your
• 39:08
  because which is don't use magic which they use the guys, those
• 39:11
  are Imagine they'd make up there.
• 39:13
  If there is no no, they make a very important distinction that
• 39:17
  a Witcher is not Using magic, they're using signs and the
• 39:21
  signs are not from them so much, is it?
• 39:25
  The signs are more like a rune night in DND, right?
• 39:27
  Like they're using these these sigils to invoke something, but
• 39:32
  they are not casting a spell themselves, right?
• 39:35
  They're using magic writing to do that but it's not coming from
• 39:38
  them and they don't need to have any sort of innate talent to do.
• 39:42
  It is the big thing I was going to say it's like the the Fate
• 39:46
  Mage craft versus actual Magic. Each craft is the the, like
• 39:51
  cheap Bargain Bin. Sam's.
• 39:53
  Not here. We can't.
• 39:54
  We can't. That's why.
• 39:55
  That's why I was explaining. It's fine.
• 39:56
  Don't you worry? Okay, should worry.
• 39:58
  But the same is not the only fate of Christian are do here.
• 40:00
  I know. I know.
• 40:01
  I'm just saying me and Matt have nothing to add to the faith.
• 40:03
  Think container saber. There is many a lot of them.
• 40:09
  There's a new one and it's six reads wife criminals and she is
• 40:13
  amazing too. May save your soul too many
• 40:19
  sabers. Yeah, I'm trying.
• 40:22
  Isaiah to what were you saying about the difference is what
• 40:30
  Mages pull off which are like mathematical equations using
• 40:34
  like an inner. Like I got a secret sauce and
• 40:36
  then true magic as like ninth level time.
• 40:39
  Displacement reality altering shit.
• 40:43
  That's kind of what the the Sorceress is in The Witcher do,
• 40:46
  right there. Kind of like changing reality to
• 40:48
  do the things they want. Yes.
• 40:51
  Where's the glyphs? I guess we I could to make this
• 40:53
  simpler which was used can trips.
• 40:57
  Kind of okay, yeah, kind of but witcher's use can trips that
• 41:00
  were like given to them on items, right?
• 41:03
  Like they're not using canned soups from themselves.
• 41:05
  I think is the important distinction, right?
• 41:07
  And I don't think that's because like Darryl does not to hold a
• 41:10
  magic item to, you know, it's not literally a physical item,
• 41:13
  but the way the signs work is like a, you have to, you have to
• 41:17
  kind of a tune to them. They don't really go into this
• 41:20
  in the show but you have to sort of like a tune to the sign for
• 41:24
  it to like gifts you its ability.
• 41:26
  It's a specific thing. The winters have to do like
• 41:29
  ahead of time. Like there's a lot of weird
• 41:31
  rules with how the signs are that are remember any of that?
• 41:35
  Yes, assist the again, they don't know that it's not, they
• 41:38
  don't go into the which assigns very much in the show.
• 41:40
  So like, yeah, right. Well, I'm even saying, like, I
• 41:42
  read the book series and even, I don't remember that, like them
• 41:44
  going into that much detail about it.
• 41:47
  So maybe, I mean, I also just be I for gourds, honor.
• 41:49
  I mean, it's not like a tremendous amount of detail, but
• 41:51
  they mentioned that sort of being a thing.
• 41:54
  But wait, so as they are, you falling in the camp.
• 41:56
  Of The Witcher casters are Sorcerers or wizards, but I so
• 42:03
  much like we were like guts is probably not a fighter.
• 42:05
  He's a Barbies of Barbarian with some fighter levels.
• 42:08
  I think Sorcerers is in The Witcher are sorceresses.
• 42:11
  Are like, that's like a two-level dip in Sorcerer.
• 42:13
  And then everything else is Wizard.
• 42:15
  Feels like a cheap but all right.
• 42:16
  Yeah, I guess. I'm just all multi hard lines.
• 42:20
  Only hard lines in this house. No incorrect.
• 42:23
  You know somehow I play but yeah I guess I could see that
• 42:27
  argument to. Yeah that being said I want to
• 42:30
  hear the other examples you got mad.
• 42:33
  Yeah so so one of the examples I have on here.
• 42:35
  It's mostly a meme but also it's called its kind of calling out a
• 42:39
  lot of like players in general. Oh no Mega Men from Kona Suba.
• 42:46
  I haven't watched as Fireball and it's D&D Fireball of just I
• 42:55
  blow shit the fuck up. It's a massive nuclear warhead
• 42:59
  on the firewall is fine. Awesome.
• 43:01
  Not only Wizards can cast Fireball know right now but
• 43:05
  she's an evocation was hurt. Her whole thing is man.
• 43:07
  She's just a damaged. She has the big staffs uses and
• 43:11
  she wears a hat hat is not a requirement.
• 43:15
  Are the it part of it hats not requirement.
• 43:20
  I fight. Yes, their Nets.
• 43:22
  Yeah. And then literally she uses all
• 43:23
  four spell slots and in one blast.
• 43:26
  And then she has no energy and then you're gonna have to wait
• 43:30
  till the next day because I hide, I literally can't argue
• 43:33
  this, so I'll have to take your word for it.
• 43:35
  So let's put it this way. She has a spell book in the
• 43:38
  sense that she can learn spells from other people.
• 43:40
  They talk about how that's a mechanic in like the universe.
• 43:43
  She just refuses to. She has one spell and goddamn
• 43:46
  it. She's gonna use that.
• 43:47
  Spell. That's right.
• 43:50
  Nice. All right.
• 43:51
  Great showed up there for you definitely watch season 3 coming
• 43:54
  up, baby. Let's go and the side series and
• 43:57
  we fill you. All right?
• 44:00
  Yes, I got. That is a meme.
• 44:02
  Like, I kind of mentioned earlier, some of the like,
• 44:05
  Disney one. So you have like, I don't know,
• 44:08
  like what Maleficent would be, but like you have Jafar God
• 44:14
  using enchantments and stuff. He's literally he has a staff
• 44:17
  that mind controls the salt and throughout the whole fucking
• 44:20
  movie, but then he turns to a genie, so then that kind of
• 44:23
  like, you know, that guy scrubs them out the window.
• 44:25
  Maleficent is like a fucking triple multi-class is.
• 44:30
  She's the kind of luck because Melissa since got some wizard
• 44:35
  energy. She's got some Druid energy.
• 44:37
  She's got some warlock energy. There's a lot going on there.
• 44:40
  Yeah, it's definitely fake mechanics munchkin multi-class.
• 44:44
  Yeah, I don't know if I could even attempt to pair her down,
• 44:48
  Merlin from the The Sword in the Stone.
• 44:50
  I mean, while in. Yeah.
• 44:52
  Yeah. Probably either.
• 44:53
  I guess divination or possibly Kroner G like time was there?
• 44:57
  Because he time travels? Not all that nonsense.
• 44:59
  Yeah, I think Divination wizard makes sense because he has kind
• 45:02
  of religious bent. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:06
  I didn't Disney stuff. And then other than that the
• 45:09
  other two so that the other two examples I have for your like
• 45:13
  again con, not controversial but mostly like argument like people
• 45:17
  don't know which is which you know what it is, what?
• 45:19
  So I'm start. So just viewers at home.
• 45:22
  I was never really big on the Harry Potter series growing up.
• 45:27
  I'm now re watching the shows for Or a strict saving campaign.
• 45:33
  I'm going to be running and I'm like oh this is a good example
• 45:36
  to finally watch them. So a lot of people make this
• 45:39
  argument, it's like Harry Potter's is like is specifically
• 45:41
  like your wizard Harry, but a lot of people like on Reddit and
• 45:46
  all this stuff. I've been reading and looking up
• 45:49
  articles are like no their Sorcerers because it's the same
• 45:51
  deal kind of with like the witches where it's like, you
• 45:53
  have to be born to do it. But then there are some rare
• 45:57
  people like Hermione, but, like, aren't born with magic but then
• 46:01
  can learn magic. It's weird.
• 46:04
  So, I don't know, I feel like the Harry Potter stuff.
• 46:06
  I feel like the old most of those.
• 46:08
  Like, all the Wizards wizard in there are deified Wizards.
• 46:14
  These are my, I don't know, maybe I'm Wrong.
• 46:16
  Am I Wrong my function here, gentlemen, I understand the
• 46:20
  point that part of Harry Potter is like, you have to have a
• 46:23
  certain Special Sauce when you're born my argument is that
• 46:28
  none of the Harry Potter Wizards at any point, do any kind of
• 46:32
  meta magic really? And I feel like that's a pretty
• 46:35
  important one. The Spells are very hard coded
• 46:39
  and also they, they have to memorize them.
• 46:42
  They don't just have, Them, right?
• 46:45
  Like a sorcerer doesn't memorize the Spells they have.
• 46:48
  They just do them because they are just like in their brain in
• 46:53
  Harry Potter. They very specifically have to
• 46:55
  memorize like the words and everything and if they don't
• 46:58
  they just don't get to guessed it right?
• 47:00
  Yeah I think they're Wizards more.
• 47:02
  So yeah. Yeah, I would err on the side of
• 47:09
  wizards. I think the problem with with
• 47:10
  Harry Potter is that there is little to no consistency in
• 47:16
  spell casting for Harry Potter nor do we even really understand
• 47:20
  how the magic system really works because it was never
• 47:25
  designed to be thoroughly explained so I forgot it's
• 47:29
  rough. Yeah, I forgot what the example,
• 47:32
  Brandon Sanderson, he came up with these with the ideas so
• 47:35
  there's like hard magic systems and then soft.
• 47:37
  Magic systems soft magic. He didn't come up with that.
• 47:41
  Well, I think he coined the phrase or whatever.
• 47:44
  They'll know, the long time, I'm just gonna give him credit
• 47:47
  because I like Brandon Sanderson.
• 47:49
  I mean you by the way fine. But yeah plug but yeah.
• 47:54
  So like soft magic systems are very.
• 47:56
  The rules are very loosey-goosey and they work off energy,
• 47:59
  whatever the fuck that means. Yeah.
• 48:01
  And then you have the hard magic systems like again, Brandon
• 48:03
  Sanderson show where it's like the mistborn series where it's
• 48:06
  like, okay, You have to eat a certain type of metal to get a
• 48:10
  certain type of power. So like you know bronze does
• 48:13
  this to you copper? Does this to you?
• 48:15
  Silver, does this to you and basically everyone is Magneto's
• 48:19
  but very hyper Focus, Magneto's. Yeah, I just I guess people who
• 48:25
  read Miss Barn are going to be very weird by that but that day
• 48:29
  it is. It is what it says, exactly what
• 48:31
  they are. They are all hyper-focus
• 48:33
  Magneto's that have to eat. The metals will take it.
• 48:37
  For militaries, by the way. Yeah, I mean, Harry so like
• 48:42
  Harry Potter is trying to be a hard magic system because there
• 48:48
  are some rules and stuff in place, right?
• 48:50
  Like you're not I think this rule gets broken, but you're not
• 48:54
  supposed to be able to like cast without your wand, for example,
• 48:58
  and you do have to, like know the right words for the spell,
• 49:02
  for it to function. So, there is some hard magic in
• 49:05
  there. But yeah, like Isaiah said, it
• 49:07
  gets a little wishy-washy. At times, right?
• 49:14
  But I still think they're Wizards.
• 49:16
  Okay, that does confirm a lot because I had a, I read a lot of
• 49:19
  people arguing. It's like, no, there's Sorcerers
• 49:21
  and I'm like, but they send the title and I've heard some wacky
• 49:25
  takes that, you know, they're fucking that Harry Potter Harry
• 49:29
  specifically as a rogue or cane dresser in the beginning of the
• 49:34
  books. And I'm like, all right, now
• 49:35
  we're just pulling hairs here, but whatever.
• 49:38
  Yeah. And then the last one.
• 49:41
  Wait I said I'm sorry. Sorry.
• 49:44
  What do you fall on? What side of that one do you
• 49:47
  followed specifically Harry being a rogue?
• 49:50
  No, no, it's very special person.
• 49:54
  Wizards I thought I had said was earlier my bed.
• 49:59
  I thought he did to. That's why.
• 50:00
  Oh, then maybe I'm just not paying attention.
• 50:02
  That's entirely possible. Sorry mrs.
• 50:04
  XP smoothie going around, boys. We got another batch here.
• 50:08
  Now, I'm just stupid. And then the last one Josh, you
• 50:11
  that that because you are a said you disagree with this.
• 50:13
  But Gandalf, the wizard sir, he's called The Wizard.
• 50:16
  He's fucking wizard. He's got the road and
• 50:18
  everything. Is how how dare you, how dare
• 50:24
  you install? I want to explain to me, why you
• 50:28
  don't think it. I explain why not do very little
• 50:33
  this episode. So the problem with Gandalf is
• 50:36
  that we never see. Gandalf cast, like that's not
• 50:41
  true. He cast the light spell and he
• 50:44
  shatters a rock and he summoned some Eagles, but he, I guess he
• 50:50
  blows up Saruman staff. But at no point.
• 50:52
  Do we actually see Gandalf, cast spell, he also cast daylight.
• 50:58
  I'm actually get to the point. I would argue that Gandalf is a
• 51:01
  druid. Like when we see when you think
• 51:04
  of what he actually does. And I've only seen movies full
• 51:06
  disclosure but he Parts the clouds Sky.
• 51:08
  Right? / daylight.
• 51:10
  He creates light you shatters a boulder.
• 51:13
  He summons animals. He's got an animal companion and
• 51:17
  Shadow fangs are shadowfax whatever.
• 51:20
  It's called. Yes, get off of Drew it.
• 51:25
  No, I don't think and also drew it either.
• 51:29
  Well, I guess this is where it's like, Indian terms, maybe
• 51:32
  because like people also, like in media.
• 51:35
  They're like, yeah, Druids Are wizards, and Sorcerers, it's all
• 51:38
  the same like thing. No, no, sodium.
• 51:40
  D&D terms, I don't think and all fits any of Is the problem, the
• 51:48
  reason I don't think Gandalf. It's any of them is because yes
• 51:53
  as Isaiah just pointed out, and as I said before, there is no
• 51:56
  hard codified rules to what Gandalf magic is or any of the
• 52:00
  Wizards in Lord of the Rings. All the Wizards just do shit,
• 52:04
  they just it just do shit. Right there is a scene where him
• 52:09
  and Saruman have a little like Wizardry duel in the tower.
• 52:13
  And there's a little bit of like throwing each other around with
• 52:15
  some Talking. Like I don't know beefed-up Mage
• 52:18
  hand or telekinesis or such a magical Force.
• 52:22
  Yeah, the reason though, the big thing with Gandalf, that I think
• 52:26
  just disqualifies him from any deity equivalency at all, is
• 52:32
  because Gandalf's basically a fucking Deva true.
• 52:37
  Because are you saying angels can't be Wizards Josh.
• 52:40
  Yes, thank you. Because angels are angels
• 52:44
  because in for those who are Unaware, which is probably a
• 52:48
  small minority. But you know in The Lord of the
• 52:51
  Rings, lure the Wizards there is only five or six.
• 52:57
  There's Gandalf the Grey Saruman, the white radagast, the
• 53:00
  brown, there's five, yeah, righto those three, I got
• 53:03
  stupid, radagast the brown, sorry, radagast the brown and
• 53:06
  then the two blue Wizards who are mentioned, but never seen
• 53:09
  and we get no names for them. So there are whole thing that
• 53:12
  they go to the East and then they like fuck around and every
• 53:15
  time I don't even We know that I don't think we even we known
• 53:17
  basically nothing about the blue Wizards, other than that, they
• 53:20
  exist. And there's two of them.
• 53:22
  Yo, Amazon, why don't you do a show about that?
• 53:24
  Come on, interesting. But anyway, there are five
• 53:28
  wizards in Lord of the Rings. So you already have a problem in
• 53:32
  that. There's this weird Dart like
• 53:34
  Sith. Lord, Ian, there's rules about
• 53:36
  how many there can be, which is not a thing with DND at all.
• 53:39
  Obviously, like anyone who's a big enough fucking nerd can
• 53:42
  wizard up. But also their powers are
• 53:48
  literally divinely gifted because the Wizards in Lord of
• 53:53
  the Rings are like ancient bayit.
• 53:57
  Cific beings sent down to protect the planet and there's
• 54:01
  some of the oldest beings on said Planet, which is why if you
• 54:07
  remove those who have seen Lord of the Rings, movies when
• 54:10
  Gandalf, or when when Gandalf Court, Called dies, spoilers for
• 54:15
  Lord of the Rings. I guess when Gandalf quote,
• 54:17
  unquote dies and he comes back, he's the white Wizard.
• 54:21
  And the reason he's the white wizard is kucera, man, turned
• 54:24
  evil in the Wizards are not allowed to be evil.
• 54:27
  So Saruman got demoted, and then Gandalf, got promoted to his
• 54:31
  spot and became the white wizard because the white wizard is more
• 54:34
  powerful than the great wizard. All of this bullshit is so
• 54:39
  incredibly. Not D&D Wizards in any way.
• 54:42
  This is like weird demigod Angel powered things than they think.
• 54:48
  They don't even cast a spell. The thing about Gandalf is he
• 54:50
  doesn't cast spells. He just throws out magical
• 54:53
  bullshit at random and stuff just fucking happens.
• 54:57
  When I mean, so here's the thing.
• 54:59
  He he does cast spells like he sort of does, but he also just
• 55:04
  does stuff kind of it because we Yes, we've seen him, use somatic
• 55:10
  verbal and material components. I remember him doing any verbal
• 55:14
  anything other than shouting, whatever he summons the Eagles.
• 55:18
  He like, does the egg Whispers, an incantation?
• 55:20
  Yeah, he has to whisper to the moths or whatever.
• 55:23
  He also uses the crystalline his staff to cast spells the
• 55:27
  crystal. Yeah the the crystal like blows
• 55:29
  and shit so that one's like sure.
• 55:31
  I think at one point we see him using like hand signs of some
• 55:33
  sort. I still don't Like the way hid,
• 55:37
  the way he does. Magic is, doesn't it all seems
• 55:40
  like divine intervention or something close to it rather
• 55:43
  than any kind of like spell-casting really?
• 55:46
  And then I mean, you could be, you know, I mean, he could be a
• 55:49
  circle of the land Druid. They're the ones that they get
• 55:52
  like a bunch of features that are exactly like the was it like
• 55:55
  our Cambridge robbery and either.
• 55:57
  Like, I don't think he applies to anything.
• 55:59
  I just I just don't think you can apply him to deity logic.
• 56:01
  I just don't think he fits. I don't know.
• 56:03
  I honestly, I gotta disagree. I, the more I think about it,
• 56:05
  the more I feel like It offers a druid.
• 56:08
  If any of them are a druid, it would be radagast.
• 56:11
  He's also a jerk. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:13
  Yeah. Kind of think they all are
• 56:14
  because I got a big thing that we saw with Saruman, as well.
• 56:17
  Is like, weather control was a bit like weather and Animal
• 56:21
  Control, he sends the flock of familiars after the fellowship
• 56:26
  and he creates the blizzard. He has a blizzard, he's alone.
• 56:29
  He's like chanting stop. Is that our role expels though?
• 56:32
  It's not like, that's what. Yeah, but that's not like their
• 56:35
  bread and butter. Right?
• 56:37
  Like Druids are about like nature and the weather and there
• 56:40
  is like as much as there is like a more outwardly Day affect
• 56:45
  religious aspects, to the Wizards of Lord of the Rings.
• 56:49
  There also is this nature-based like the gods are you know the
• 56:55
  gods created the world but the gods are the world kind of
• 56:57
  thing. And I know that's not how it is
• 57:00
  but that has better stuff. That nature stuff has a very
• 57:03
  Divine bent to it. Yeah.
• 57:05
  But that's I will like but I would argue that Druids in 5er.
• 57:11
  I would call them Divine casters.
• 57:12
  I would call them faith-based casters.
• 57:14
  I think they are righteous says it like in there like the Box
• 57:18
  tax like I mean no. I'm just like maybe in terms of
• 57:22
  it, might say that in some flavor shit but like there's no
• 57:25
  hard distinction between Arcane or Divine magic in 5e I wanted
• 57:30
  to do you mean yeah it specifically says, sir there is
• 57:33
  nothing in a Now that says this is a Divine spell.
• 57:37
  This is an Arcane spell that. Yeah.
• 57:39
  Because you know what will say only Druids and clerics can cast
• 57:43
  this and one will say only Wizards Sorcerers and warlocks
• 57:45
  will cast it. Like.
• 57:46
  Yeah. But then you'll get like a weird
• 57:48
  subclass that steals from one of the others where there's no hard
• 57:51
  coded split between the two in 5e.
• 57:54
  It's there might have been an older editions but definitely is
• 57:56
  not in 5e, just because it's not hard, coded doesn't mean it
• 57:59
  doesn't exist and while I would want it to be hard-coded because
• 58:02
  as I keep saying, codify things it absolutely Absolutely exists.
• 58:08
  Like all of the flavors disappointment flavor.
• 58:11
  Sure. Also wouldn't, oh my God.
• 58:16
  Now when Saruman be like a like wizard who then dipped warlock
• 58:21
  after realizing all man, this magic power is way easier.
• 58:26
  I mean I guess that's not really that's neither here nor there.
• 58:30
  I just know, I just know. It's as far as I'm aware, he
• 58:35
  doesn't get any more powerful from.
• 58:37
  He doesn't Sauron, he just more like enters into a business
• 58:41
  agreement with Sauron. Yeah but I guess our on and
• 58:44
  gives him the Earth. South side of this are on he's
• 58:47
  in a business deal he does give him like materials to use but
• 58:50
  like at no point does he like give him power is if he did when
• 58:55
  whatever the actual God of War of the Ring was just so Saruman.
• 59:00
  Yeah, no, no. The good one.
• 59:02
  Oh, I don't make a God. Yeah.
• 59:07
  When you he bike turns his back on Saruman, his magic just stops
• 59:11
  working. Yeah, he doesn't lose his juice
• 59:17
  and it's been a while. I got every watch The Lord of
• 59:19
  the Rings. I just I just I just do not
• 59:21
  think you can apply D and D logic to the Lord of the Rings
• 59:26
  situation. They're just too weird.
• 59:27
  I think they just do their own thing.
• 59:31
  And I don't think you need to apply to any logic to everything
• 59:33
  on you. No, sir.
• 59:34
  Not saying there's certain. Magic systems aren't just
• 59:36
  doesn't work. You know, just doesn't fit.
• 59:41
  Yeah, I agree. I agree.
• 59:43
  So I kind of want to, I know this isn't my show, but we
• 59:47
  talked about favorite sub Class Act.
• 59:51
  I'm really curious about that because I while we also been
• 59:54
  listing off Wizards for an hour now but I do kind of want to
• 59:58
  know why y'all Pick your favorite subclasses.
• 1:00:03
  Like, what's the reason? Wait, did you pick yours?
• 1:00:05
  I don't remember. Either of you saying, yours.
• 1:00:07
  And I don't think it. Wait, I just pay no attention.
• 1:00:11
  I thought I did but if I, you know, if I didn't, it's
• 1:00:13
  conjuration, conjurations my favorite school.
• 1:00:15
  But I thought, no, you definitely did not say that.
• 1:00:18
  What about you Matt Minds abjuration?
• 1:00:21
  Oh no, that's right Mom. Yeah, most because I've been
• 1:00:23
  playing it for four years so and I literally like I make it.
• 1:00:28
  I know there's a lot of contention between people who
• 1:00:30
  like, oh, counter band counterspell, it's so broken.
• 1:00:33
  It's like, don't worry folks. Where's the, the clothes already
• 1:00:36
  doing that with spell, like abilities.
• 1:00:38
  So you won, fuck you, they're not, but getting into this right
• 1:00:42
  now and who's in. Yeah, no.
• 1:00:44
  I like the abjuration was like I said earlier, it's the you can
• 1:00:47
  protect yourself. Allies and yourself with the
• 1:00:49
  with the Arcane Ward feature. You literally are the II joke on
• 1:00:54
  the anti-mage. I lie.
• 1:00:57
  If I see another spell Caster on that other team.
• 1:00:59
  I literally pointed them and go. No, no.
• 1:01:01
  You can't--no put that something?
• 1:01:03
  No, stop like that. Yeah, I just shut them down,
• 1:01:08
  because I'm Lily there to dispel magic them.
• 1:01:11
  I'm literally there to counter spell them.
• 1:01:13
  I'm there to make sure the other spellcasters do nothing.
• 1:01:18
  And they can fuck all. Okay, so okay, that's
• 1:01:21
  interesting. So you like playing wizard as
• 1:01:23
  more of a controller than kind of a control.
• 1:01:26
  I play him. Yeah, like my the the lizard
• 1:01:29
  wizard I play him as a mix of a controller and utility because I
• 1:01:34
  died. Literally we have a ranger that
• 1:01:36
  does a fuck ton of damage a warlock.
• 1:01:38
  That does a fuck ton of damage a barbarian, that does a fuck ton
• 1:01:41
  of damage and I'm like, you know what, I don't think I need the
• 1:01:43
  black be a blaster. This campaign.
• 1:01:45
  I'm fine. So I literally specifically Make
• 1:01:48
  every spell in the book that doesnt deal damage.
• 1:01:52
  Except for maybe like one or two, just for like the
• 1:01:54
  emergency. Oh no, I'm royally fucked.
• 1:01:56
  Unless I kill this thing. Yeah yeah and I just had 14th
• 1:02:02
  level so I got the the final ability of the abjuration wizard
• 1:02:06
  which basically is Magic resistance spell resistant like
• 1:02:10
  advantage on spell saving throws really neat.
• 1:02:13
  Yeah fucking sand also resistance to damage.
• 1:02:17
  That's right now I'm the mega anti-mage.
• 1:02:23
  You are very anti Mage system. All right I think second clothes
• 1:02:29
  would be Late singer. Same same.
• 1:02:32
  All right. All right, we're sorry.
• 1:02:34
  We're doing inlaid. We're doing it.
• 1:02:36
  We're doing the thing. I don't like spell sling off
• 1:02:41
  fuck. I said it wrong.
• 1:02:42
  I don't like about swingers. I sling my spell at you Cowboy
• 1:02:46
  bad opinion. Kidding actually.
• 1:02:49
  I read it again today. I don't like blade singer.
• 1:02:54
  What about the what about don't you?
• 1:02:56
  Don't you like ye not that so I don't care, I just ask they just
• 1:03:01
  want to like generally like first and foremost, I don't like
• 1:03:06
  the flavor of like because blade singer is not a wizard who's
• 1:03:12
  like, hardened by War and picked up a sword blade.
• 1:03:15
  Singer is, like, I sing a weird song and like dance around the
• 1:03:18
  battlefield. Avoiding the pew pew, lasers.
• 1:03:20
  It's from not romance and yeah, it's mostly based on like, old
• 1:03:23
  Elven like I used to be the Elven like, you know, he spelt
• 1:03:27
  class but fucking Not trying to play Yuri on ice with my wizard,
• 1:03:32
  like I'm just not about that. So that's, that's, that's
• 1:03:36
  problem. Number one, I don't like the
• 1:03:38
  flavor problem. Number two, their abilities feel
• 1:03:44
  kind of boring. So like you get Blade song which
• 1:03:49
  is cool but then there every other abilities like kinda
• 1:03:52
  whatever. It's like, alright, you get
• 1:03:54
  extra attack which is like okay I guess that's kind of copying a
• 1:03:59
  bit from the I think Valor bards also get extra attack at six
• 1:04:03
  level instead so and then you can use a reaction to expend a
• 1:04:08
  spell slot and reduce the damage by the an amount equal to 5
• 1:04:11
  times just felt like you get like a shielding thing which is
• 1:04:14
  like Fine. Get rather just cashew.
• 1:04:20
  Yeah. And then you add your
• 1:04:22
  intelligence modifier to the damage of melee weapon attacks
• 1:04:26
  while blade songs active, which is like a whatever.
• 1:04:28
  I mean, not that bad. That's here's the thing though.
• 1:04:31
  It's a level 14 ability and it's a passive and I'm like I can't I
• 1:04:37
  do I do more damage with my spell blasts there.
• 1:04:40
  No do more damage with your melee attacks, right?
• 1:04:44
  My spell spell spell. Getting blade.
• 1:04:46
  I take my, I just what's that shit?
• 1:04:48
  Isaiah, what's the blade from the abroad to do dual Scimitar?
• 1:04:52
  The dull blade is Avatar. Yeah, double its inventory.
• 1:04:55
  Blade singer double blade Scimitar Garth.
• 1:04:57
  I've been thinking about. Don't you worry?
• 1:04:58
  Hell, yeah. Every other thing too with lead
• 1:05:01
  singer is so you're only wearing light armor so you're not that
• 1:05:06
  much beefier well, you just make them a decks and next pal, I
• 1:05:10
  mean sure too much XP. Wearing light armor, you still
• 1:05:17
  have low health because you're still a wizard and like, I don't
• 1:05:22
  know. I feel like it's kind of awkward
• 1:05:23
  that you have to do this thing where you kind of dance between
• 1:05:27
  that was an unintended pun. You have to kind of weave
• 1:05:29
  between like I'm shooting out a bunch of spells and I guess I'm
• 1:05:33
  gonna go hit you with my sword. Now like you have to kind of go
• 1:05:39
  between the two and it doesn't feel.
• 1:05:42
  I mean I haven't played it so maybe if I were to play it I
• 1:05:44
  would change. Mind a little bit, it doesn't
• 1:05:47
  feel very intuitive. Just reading through it.
• 1:05:49
  Like, I'm a little conflicted. Like, do you want me?
• 1:05:52
  Because normally when you're a wizard, guys, do you stand in
• 1:05:54
  the back line and fucking, let you know let em rip.
• 1:05:56
  It's like do you want me to do that as a blade singer or do you
• 1:05:59
  not want me to do that? No, thanks.
• 1:06:01
  Specifically. Tell you in the flavor, text
• 1:06:03
  that they do not want you to do that.
• 1:06:05
  Do you not want me to do what to sit in the back, right?
• 1:06:08
  But it's a want you to be our friends.
• 1:06:10
  It's counterintuitive to the way that blade singer is built to do
• 1:06:13
  anything but be up front. But like you're not that beefy
• 1:06:18
  though. Yes.
• 1:06:18
  Oh yeah, you told media front so much.
• 1:06:21
  Like he might get angry. Like you could get a pretty high
• 1:06:24
  AC, but you if you get hit you're still gonna get gevalt
• 1:06:29
  anytime you get hit because you still don't have a lot of
• 1:06:31
  Health. Like you're stepping desert fine
• 1:06:32
  and I get some. Yeah.
• 1:06:34
  Something's manages to get through matter.
• 1:06:36
  See like if you build a blade singer correct but I don't want
• 1:06:39
  to correctly. If you blame build a blade
• 1:06:41
  singer with high AC like you can get pretty redonkulous.
• 1:06:45
  Like with Shield, if you save up in the campaign, get the 20th
• 1:06:49
  level, you can get your AC well, past 30, if you activate your
• 1:06:52
  fucking Blade song, I've seen crazy people like, but it's like
• 1:06:56
  that spell saves and stuff like you can still get whomped by
• 1:06:59
  saves and like bar breath weapons or like there's still a
• 1:07:02
  lot of things that could we getting whomp you.
• 1:07:04
  So you're not like well, so that much blazing why I say not
• 1:07:09
  really is because song of rest exists What is it when you are
• 1:07:14
  so tense? Level ability, you can direct
• 1:07:16
  your magic to absorb damage. While your Blade song is active,
• 1:07:19
  when you take damage you can use your reaction to expend one
• 1:07:21
  spell slot and reduce the damage to you by an amount equal to 5
• 1:07:25
  times that spells lot level song of Defense.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah, you said song of wrist. Sorry song and affecting the
• 1:07:32
  wrong document. Sir.
• 1:07:34
  Now I'm getting my Bard Boone's makes the has a yeah song of
• 1:07:37
  rest is the BART ability so I'll have you know yes so you can do
• 1:07:41
  that. at level 10 and sure I just And if you mix that with
• 1:07:50
  something like, well, I suppose you can't, but like, I what I've
• 1:07:55
  done is I either have that active or all is supposed to
• 1:07:59
  hey, style or sorry, not all have absorb elements on the back
• 1:08:02
  line so you can sort of swap between the two.
• 1:08:05
  So you're not constantly being like, Oh no.
• 1:08:07
  Now I have to just be like, well, do I want to burn a higher
• 1:08:10
  level spell slots? Like I'm just gonna half
• 1:08:11
  whatever the hell you just threw at me, you know?
• 1:08:13
  Yeah. But I mean I've stopped sorry
• 1:08:15
  cover you you will you're the you're the Final Fantasy 11.
• 1:08:19
  Ninja tank where it's like, I'm a tank because I just can't get
• 1:08:21
  hit. Yeah.
• 1:08:23
  Like yeah. But the point is, the tarrasque
• 1:08:26
  will have a hard time hitting you.
• 1:08:28
  Yeah, I have 33 AC. Yeah, like I don't know.
• 1:08:33
  I said this before on the fighter episode, if I'm going to
• 1:08:36
  play my magic e night, I want it to be a fighter with some magic
• 1:08:39
  sauce. Not to be a wizard with some
• 1:08:41
  fighter sauce. Yeah, it's so it's weird with
• 1:08:43
  the whole like dish. Like idea of a character that
• 1:08:46
  uses a weapon and sling spells and all that, That I've noticed
• 1:08:50
  that like four players and has some play it's more.
• 1:08:53
  It's it feels better that if you are a fighter person that can
• 1:08:58
  deal a little that has a little bit of magic.
• 1:09:00
  Yes. And someone who because like the
• 1:09:02
  like the blade singer who has a really, it's a wizard.
• 1:09:06
  So it has all the Spells but then it can kind of fight.
• 1:09:10
  But I think the blade singer has I like nice balance between
• 1:09:12
  that. At least I feeling my problem
• 1:09:16
  is, if I'm going to play the idea, Of like a magic night, you
• 1:09:20
  know, a warrior was spells. The fantasy in my head is I'm a
• 1:09:26
  badass night, dude. And plate mail armor with a
• 1:09:28
  shield and a sword. And I fucking run my blade along
• 1:09:32
  my shield and it burst into flames.
• 1:09:34
  And then I tap my Hilt against the shield and I have a magical
• 1:09:37
  barrier up in front of me and then I charge dick first, at the
• 1:09:40
  dragon saw a paladin sure but how I was sort of Paladin.
• 1:09:44
  Ask energy blades, singer is like I'm a wizard.
• 1:09:49
  I pull out my like longsword or whatever because you can choose
• 1:09:53
  what you're proficient in which I That's cool.
• 1:09:54
  I like that. That's an interesting touch.
• 1:09:56
  You can choose what kind of one-handed melee weapon.
• 1:09:58
  I'm proficient in, and then I sort of sing a song and do a
• 1:10:02
  little dance and I'm like, weaving around and slicing up
• 1:10:05
  the legs of the enemy occasionally and then I throw
• 1:10:08
  out of can trip and it's just not the same kind of vibe, and
• 1:10:12
  I'm not about it. Well, I think your problem lies
• 1:10:15
  in that you are expect. You want magic night and that's
• 1:10:18
  not what blade singer has ever even.
• 1:10:21
  Pretended to be. I know.
• 1:10:23
  That's why I'm saying. I don't like blade singer.
• 1:10:26
  I just don't think it's necessarily right to be like,
• 1:10:29
  this isn't this thing, but it's not.
• 1:10:33
  That's not what it's supposed to be.
• 1:10:35
  I mean, that's fine. I'm just telling you, I don't
• 1:10:37
  like it. I don't give a shit.
• 1:10:39
  What, like, it's supposed to be. I'm telling you why I don't
• 1:10:41
  like, you know, I know that's right.
• 1:10:42
  Josh when I think of magic night, but a blade singer is not
• 1:10:48
  a magic night. I know my point is, It is, it is
• 1:10:52
  within the same realm of sort of, like, a male ASP spellcaster
• 1:10:56
  e person, okay? Maybe I shouldn't use the word
• 1:10:59
  magic day when I think about a melee fighter.
• 1:11:02
  Who also we've spells into their fighting against each other.
• 1:11:05
  I think of an Eldridge night. I hate the word.
• 1:11:07
  Guess I don't like said I do teach fight fucking TNT.
• 1:11:10
  I know it's a fucking dumb word. I have to invent a fuck but it
• 1:11:14
  sounds good. Anyway anyway yes fine whatever.
• 1:11:18
  Yes if I'm doing the Gish thing I want to be an elder tonight.
• 1:11:20
  Not a Lead singer or a paladin. I like Paladin appeals to me
• 1:11:24
  more as as like a magical melee fighter than a blade singer
• 1:11:27
  does. It's just it's just not into it.
• 1:11:31
  I also plus plus if I'm doing an elder 29 I have some options.
• 1:11:35
  I can do like a two-handed Greatsword Eldridge night, I can
• 1:11:38
  fucking have a mall, I can be in plate armor, the armor is a big
• 1:11:43
  one for me. Like the idea of like I'm
• 1:11:44
  running into the battlefield headfirst but I'm wearing light
• 1:11:47
  armor. Like really bugs me for some
• 1:11:49
  reason. I mean the mental image.
• 1:11:51
  That is really goofy. It's really doesn't matter
• 1:11:54
  because you have major armor as a spell.
• 1:11:56
  I understand. It doesn't matter.
• 1:11:57
  Majority actually magic armor like I understand it was a
• 1:12:00
  matter of mechanically, I'm just saying, like the concept of that
• 1:12:03
  is just really goofy to me. Like, I'm running.
• 1:12:05
  I'm like wearing Gamba sin and pulling out my longsword and
• 1:12:08
  like running at the dragon dick first, as opposed to, like, I'm
• 1:12:11
  wearing full plate mail. Like it just my brain.
• 1:12:14
  Just does not like no. No.
• 1:12:17
  Like gotta get out of the box. Sometimes man.
• 1:12:20
  Open your horizon. Looks like I said, I understand
• 1:12:22
  there's ways to do it and I haven't played blade singer.
• 1:12:24
  And I probably if someone if someone was like gun to my head
• 1:12:28
  and like, you have to play a blade singer.
• 1:12:29
  I'd be like, okay, fine. I can make it fun for myself.
• 1:12:32
  I'll figure it out. I will.
• 1:12:34
  But By default it's just doesn't, it doesn't Russell the
• 1:12:40
  Jimmy's the way I want it to, you know?
• 1:12:42
  Yeah, we can when I when I run that I was saying if you guys
• 1:12:45
  want that level Twenty One Shot thing.
• 1:12:48
  I want to run, let me know. We can, we can grab it and get a
• 1:12:50
  big group. You can play blade, singer, Josh
• 1:12:52
  level, 20 wizard, come on man, do it, definitely not it evolved
• 1:12:56
  and now they have all the classes to potentially jump in
• 1:13:00
  on a level 20 Blazer sounds rough.
• 1:13:03
  Yeah, I did that. Once I've done, it's not hard
• 1:13:06
  All right, Isaiah we can't all have a massive huge fuck off.
• 1:13:09
  Penis, like you High. Yeah, Fuckin tripod over here,
• 1:13:12
  doesn't mean that I'm saying them.
• 1:13:14
  All I'm saying is that blade singers?
• 1:13:16
  I would say, is one of the easiest level 20 Wizards to run
• 1:13:19
  because you're not really worrying about spells that much.
• 1:13:22
  Also, as an aside, I look at the art for the blade singer, the
• 1:13:27
  like to elves and it just does nothing for me, you know, that
• 1:13:33
  right off. I don't like the two elves.
• 1:13:35
  Nah, I don't like it. I mean, it's not bad but it just
• 1:13:39
  is a lot of the time. I will look at a class and part
• 1:13:42
  of my judgment of if I'm into it or not is if there's a really
• 1:13:45
  cool art attached to it, not always but a lot of the time and
• 1:13:49
  I look at that and I'm just like no this does not appear.
• 1:13:53
  I think it's better than when it was in the sword Coast
• 1:13:54
  Adventures guide and it didn't have art at all.
• 1:13:59
  I mean, yeah that's better. It was like what the fuck.
• 1:14:01
  But again I feel bad because the sword Coast Adventures guy has
• 1:14:05
  some cool info and Lauren there, what has a Dungeons and Dragons
• 1:14:09
  like, you know, player book, or I don't even know what kind of
• 1:14:12
  book it was. I don't even know who I do this
• 1:14:14
  for basically, been retconned, out of existence.
• 1:14:17
  Yes. Yeah, definitely basically
• 1:14:19
  pretend like, it's not a thing. They took the one. thing that
• 1:14:22
  people really like from the book and But I mean obviously the art
• 1:14:28
  is not relevant to the class. I just, I just, they are can
• 1:14:31
  help like if you're picking like you're looking through the book.
• 1:14:33
  You like it doesn't I don't know.
• 1:14:36
  And don't like them for me, but I guess now kind of getting back
• 1:14:40
  to the sub questions that we kind of had.
• 1:14:42
  Yeah, it's a up and really get into my favorite.
• 1:14:45
  NEOS are just complained about play.
• 1:14:46
  Know I thought well no, I thought you said scribes was
• 1:14:49
  your favorite. I did.
• 1:14:50
  But I think Isaiah wanted me to like, explain why I write
• 1:14:53
  correct? Yeah. like yeah, I don't like I
• 1:14:57
  said, I think it I think it's partially just because scribes
• 1:15:03
  feels like a wizard that's really doubling down on being a
• 1:15:06
  wizard and like, you know, that part of their abilities is like,
• 1:15:11
  hey, you know, you can transcribe spells really really
• 1:15:16
  fast because you have a very nice feel, you know, your your
• 1:15:22
  your spell book isn't just a book.
• 1:15:24
  It is literally like a magically infused semi-sentient thing
• 1:15:30
  which I like a lot because I like it being more than just a
• 1:15:33
  book. It also gives you a little like
• 1:15:35
  Loki pet, which I'm always a big fan of And like you were saying
• 1:15:40
  earlier, you can cast from it to like it's your Foci is from in.
• 1:15:43
  Yeah. So that's a that's a fun thing.
• 1:15:45
  Yeah. Just the flavor of scribe.
• 1:15:47
  I like a lot and when I'm if I'm playing a wizard I want to be
• 1:15:52
  home boy in the back shouting at the Paladin.
• 1:15:54
  Like you're doing great Jim, keep it up, time to Fireball
• 1:15:58
  that son of a bitch and just nuke in my friends and hoping
• 1:16:01
  they survive. She's fucking crazy.
• 1:16:04
  Like, I just love, I love the like sitting in the back all the
• 1:16:08
  thick and man. Chuckle runes weaving about me,
• 1:16:10
  and I'm just throwing mad shade down the battlefield.
• 1:16:14
  Plus I love all the, you know, like if I'm gonna, that's why I
• 1:16:18
  think that that's the thing with the blade singers.
• 1:16:20
  Like I want to be sitting there like throwing spells and like,
• 1:16:26
  doing all this crazy shit and looking at all my different
• 1:16:28
  spell options. There's a blade singer.
• 1:16:30
  You're you're not like, d incentivize, but your ain't your
• 1:16:33
  incentivize to go in there more. And if you're going in there
• 1:16:37
  more sort of limits, what spells your Gonna take that are going
• 1:16:40
  to work, you know, like you're less likely to take Fireball for
• 1:16:43
  example because you don't want to Fireball yourself and you're
• 1:16:46
  going to be up in there all the time or a lot of the time.
• 1:16:49
  Okay, here's my question. Then why is swords Bard to you
• 1:16:57
  more agreeable than blade singer?
• 1:17:01
  Because bards to me, or not just I'm aware that they are full
• 1:17:06
  Casters in D&D the bar. It's to me, do not feel like
• 1:17:10
  full casters and I like that they have options and they sort
• 1:17:16
  of spread themselves out a little bit more and a lot of the
• 1:17:19
  stuff I'm doing as a lot of these spell casting for me than
• 1:17:22
  I want to do as a Bard is not standing in the back line and
• 1:17:26
  throwing a fireball. If I'm playing a Bard I want to
• 1:17:28
  get in there, throw out my Buffs slap a hoe me on the ass to give
• 1:17:32
  him some polymorph and then whip out my blades and fucking get in
• 1:17:35
  The Fray of it. Like talk mad shit.
• 1:17:37
  Throw out the occasional vicious.
• 1:17:39
  Mockery like, okay. It's that's fair but you ever
• 1:17:42
  mental Vibe. Sure you are aware.
• 1:17:44
  That's that's not like the, the standard ideal of a bark, right?
• 1:17:49
  I think it depends on which subclass, I think a lot, I think
• 1:17:51
  the barn subclasses really differ from each other quite a
• 1:17:55
  lot. So it's sort of depends.
• 1:17:58
  They do. Don't get me wrong.
• 1:17:59
  Like like that's one of those ones where like I feel like much
• 1:18:03
  like fighter is Basically the subclass completely changes the
• 1:18:08
  fighter, but I think the common understanding of Bard is more of
• 1:18:11
  like a sing-songy supporter. Try to keep the morale up.
• 1:18:18
  Yeah, that's what I mean. They are not.
• 1:18:21
  The Bard is not expected to be standing 30 feet back throwing
• 1:18:26
  lightning bolt, or whatever. They're expected to be at least
• 1:18:29
  somewhat in the phrase so they can help the homies out.
• 1:18:32
  No no I disagree I think they would they would more often than
• 1:18:34
  not be in the back. Line.
• 1:18:35
  So they can keep their Buffs up without worrying about taking
• 1:18:38
  damage. I mean, like I said, I don't
• 1:18:43
  even think Bard should be full casters so that's like a whole
• 1:18:46
  other thing but whatever I do. Are you trying to like I don't
• 1:18:51
  under you try to like, get get me here.
• 1:18:54
  Like I don't want no, no, I'm genuinely curious as to like,
• 1:18:56
  why one feels different to you, when to me I feel like they're
• 1:18:59
  the exact opposite because the narrative is different between
• 1:19:04
  the two. See, ya like the types of
• 1:19:10
  characters that are bards is not the same as the type of
• 1:19:13
  character, who is a wizard, and the type of character.
• 1:19:16
  For a wizard for me, it's much more appealing to be the Donald
• 1:19:23
  Duck, who's like, throwing out. You know Thunder for well sores
• 1:19:28
  in The Fray getting dirty and if the type of the idea of, if I'm
• 1:19:34
  playing a Bard, I'm thinking more.
• 1:19:36
  Our that, like, I'm part of the team, I'm there in the frame, a
• 1:19:40
  bit more, but I'm not the front of the fight.
• 1:19:44
  I'm sort of like adjacent. I just think about the two
• 1:19:50
  tonally differently. They're saying and again, could
• 1:19:55
  I flavor a blade singer to be more up my alley.
• 1:19:58
  Probably I just on paper as it stands, it doesn't appeal to me
• 1:20:04
  that hard. Okay, but that's all I'm asking.
• 1:20:08
  That's that was it? Yeah, but yeah, it should kind
• 1:20:13
  of trying to get back to the other bits.
• 1:20:18
  Like I don't know because I got Iran.
• 1:20:20
  I think that was just pretty good.
• 1:20:21
  There's like one or two things. Maybe about that.
• 1:20:24
  Like, annoy me. Say like, what happened?
• 1:20:27
  Well, I like to show. How would you guys?
• 1:20:29
  Because I literally have like, I think one thing I would change
• 1:20:32
  about the wizard say it. So why the fuck don't they get
• 1:20:37
  expertise in Arcana? Are you fucking kidding me.
• 1:20:40
  Are you telling me The Bard over here fucking miss?
• 1:20:43
  They're like, I'm gonna fuck everything in sight.
• 1:20:45
  This motherfucker, he can get expertise in every goddamn skill
• 1:20:48
  in the game but my big brain this winter wizard.
• 1:20:52
  No I I have are from you know I can have proficiency with Arcana
• 1:20:55
  and history by can't get expertise.
• 1:20:58
  All the knowledge cleric he get, he can get it.
• 1:21:01
  But me the wizard the nerd I can't get expertise in this nerd
• 1:21:06
  skills. Like at he is very interesting,
• 1:21:09
  right? I, this is not where I thought
• 1:21:11
  you'd be going. No, I didn't either I didn't
• 1:21:14
  think you'd be going here either.
• 1:21:15
  However, I don't disagree at all, I don't disagree.
• 1:21:19
  Absolutely right. You're absolutely right.
• 1:21:23
  I really like how I think it should be may be expanded Beyond
• 1:21:26
  just our condo. Like I think it should be any of
• 1:21:29
  the skill proficiency you choose at character creation.
• 1:21:31
  You can choose to get a expertise in one of those.
• 1:21:33
  I think maybe anything with intelligence space, like history
• 1:21:37
  or name is true. So I don't remember what so they
• 1:21:43
  start with Arcana history in site investigation, medicine and
• 1:21:47
  religion. So I think you should be allowed
• 1:21:48
  to get expertise in one of those.
• 1:21:50
  Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm samosa. So yeah, I'm more.
• 1:21:53
  So harping on Arcana because you were literally, the wizard.
• 1:21:56
  You are literally bending, The Weave of magic, but not all
• 1:21:59
  wizards are like like 100% Arcana style caste boys.
• 1:22:06
  Hi. Well, you can have, you can make
• 1:22:08
  like if you keep you can make like a wizard, just got more of
• 1:22:10
  a religious been, right? Like a divination Wizard or you
• 1:22:12
  could make a religion or Wizard. Who's like an archaeologist.
• 1:22:15
  So your big history nerd I guess.
• 1:22:17
  But yeah, I don't know. I feel like you there, still
• 1:22:19
  hope some level of like knowledge of arkana.
• 1:22:22
  You kind of have to have as a wizard you to enjoy it.
• 1:22:26
  That's that doesn't that doesn't necessarily mean you have to
• 1:22:28
  have expertise so I guess yeah yeah yeah.
• 1:22:33
  And that would actually also help part of my problem of when
• 1:22:37
  you level up and you don't get anything one of those things you
• 1:22:39
  could get would be expertise. So yeah, not something.
• 1:22:43
  I thought you were going to say but say I disagree.
• 1:22:47
  Yeah, besides that honestly, it's like this is mostly like a
• 1:22:51
  not really a complaint or like how To fix.
• 1:22:53
  But like helpful tip for like, DM's out there because my DM
• 1:22:56
  does this for me and he's been doing it for four years, and
• 1:22:59
  I've watched other campaigns where people do or don't do
• 1:23:02
  this, allow players. If you have a wizard in your
• 1:23:06
  party, allow them to find spell books of other Wizards or spell
• 1:23:10
  Scrolls. Like, I know you can roll over
• 1:23:13
  on the table for rewards and get spell Scrolls and then like have
• 1:23:17
  a bad wizard show up and then your party deals with them.
• 1:23:20
  And then, your wizard picks up their spell book and goes
• 1:23:22
  There's a bunch of new spells in here that I can now copy and
• 1:23:25
  it's like yeah, she's like it's it helps with it and actually
• 1:23:30
  gives a it makes your wizard wants to spend his gold and so
• 1:23:33
  he can like write down and copy spells and all that.
• 1:23:37
  And it's like a nice reward to for the player because it's like
• 1:23:41
  God, I don't want to hand out. The third vorpal sword.
• 1:23:44
  The fuck am I gonna get Joe. I'll give Larry the fucking.
• 1:23:48
  I'll give him a Spellbook. There you go.
• 1:23:49
  There you go. Here's your reward.
• 1:23:50
  Larry actually that Has positive question for me.
• 1:23:55
  How do we feel about the mechanic of like the spell books
• 1:23:59
  and spending gold to transcribe other spells and like that whole
• 1:24:02
  thing that Wizards get I like it.
• 1:24:04
  I like it because I've heard some people really fucking hate
• 1:24:06
  it. Has anyone?
• 1:24:08
  Go, go first actions. Realize that I never I never got
• 1:24:12
  to explain myself class, but it's all right.
• 1:24:13
  Oh shit. I'm sorry.
• 1:24:14
  I thought. Yeah, I thought you said
• 1:24:15
  congregation. No, I said it.
• 1:24:16
  But I don't like because like you explain like, you like
• 1:24:18
  didn't get into it yet, I'm sorry.
• 1:24:20
  Dude. I'm sure all over the place
• 1:24:22
  here. Do you want to do?
• 1:24:23
  I get in here and now you're freaking super quick to me
• 1:24:26
  despite what I said about blade. Singing to me my ideal wizard is
• 1:24:30
  like uniform Final Fantasy 10. I think that was like, my first
• 1:24:34
  introduction to the idea of like caste boys or it's like I cast
• 1:24:37
  spells. I can drop nukes what I
• 1:24:40
  specialize in dropping someone else on the field and having
• 1:24:44
  that thing deal with you, basically, I love Summoners, I
• 1:24:47
  love summoning. I love every all of it.
• 1:24:50
  Everything that involves summiting and like this is the
• 1:24:52
  coolest shit on the planet. I want that and conjurations
• 1:24:55
  will be that. I also love creation, like the
• 1:24:57
  idea of like creation magic and conjuration.
• 1:24:59
  Wizard literally just says you can just create something in
• 1:25:02
  your hands and it just exists in the world.
• 1:25:04
  So always be transmutation, no, no.
• 1:25:09
  Right, right? Yeah, so conjuration Wizards
• 1:25:11
  have what is it called? Minor conjuration.
• 1:25:13
  Starting at second level. When you select this school, you
• 1:25:16
  can use your action to conjure up an inanimate object in your
• 1:25:19
  hand or on the ground in an unoccupied space that you can
• 1:25:21
  see within 10 feet of you. This object can be no larger
• 1:25:24
  than 3 feet on a side and weigh. No more than 10 pounds.
• 1:25:27
  And it's for must be that of a non-magical object.
• 1:25:30
  You have seen the object is visibly, magical radiating.
• 1:25:34
  A dim light out of 5 feet, the object disappears after one
• 1:25:37
  hour, And when you use this feature again, or if it takes
• 1:25:40
  any damage or if it deals any damage, so I just, I don't know,
• 1:25:43
  I always loved the idea of character falls off, cliff
• 1:25:47
  summons like a tethered cord, like a grappling hook and throws
• 1:25:51
  it to them or, you know, summons a knife to cut the rope for to
• 1:25:55
  set the Trap off. Or like if you have like, a
• 1:25:57
  particularly smart character who seem like a special kind of key
• 1:26:01
  for a lock, you can conjure that key and use it without having to
• 1:26:04
  steal it stuff like that. I just get so sick.
• 1:26:06
  Yeah, I do. The idea of that ability, my
• 1:26:10
  problem is that ability kind of is poo poo because it's really
• 1:26:13
  limiting. Like the rules are very strict
• 1:26:16
  on it. So it's kind of disappointing.
• 1:26:19
  I don't think I think the only one that I would be like this is
• 1:26:22
  kind of limiting is if it deals any damage.
• 1:26:24
  So I like the idea of being able to like make your own weapons,
• 1:26:27
  but I want to make my own bullets and be a gun wizard.
• 1:26:30
  Yeah I mean it's not really that limiting, right?
• 1:26:32
  It's like no can only make I mean you can only make small
• 1:26:36
  objects and way. I'm no more than 10 pounds.
• 1:26:39
  That doesn't give you a little bigger.
• 1:26:41
  I mean, it depends sounds like a lot of bullets tumor, like I
• 1:26:44
  can't make a 25 pound dumbbell. Sure you could get a meal, make
• 1:26:51
  a coiled. Not, I'd like a coil of rope.
• 1:26:54
  That's no larger than that fills a 3 by 3 foot square Ace and
• 1:26:58
  speak on that one. Like I like it because it's
• 1:27:02
  limiting in the sense that Prestidigitation is limiting but
• 1:27:06
  if you're creative with it you can do a lot with it.
• 1:27:09
  Yeah same thing with like a lot of the illusion, like wizard.
• 1:27:12
  Like some classes like you have to really work with your GM to
• 1:27:15
  like, you know, create the Illusions in, like, make sure
• 1:27:18
  everything's will kind of working.
• 1:27:19
  So, it kind of definitely like GM and player like teamwork to
• 1:27:24
  like make certain spells and create like use your creativity
• 1:27:27
  on them feel like it's just too restrictive.
• 1:27:31
  I also love the idea of like I don't have any magic myself.
• 1:27:34
  I can summon things. I can do magic.
• 1:27:36
  I think thats a cool charachter idea of being like, Oh, I'm this
• 1:27:40
  great wizard, but I can't do anything myself, you know,
• 1:27:43
  actually another thing. All right, mmm, what the fuck is
• 1:27:49
  the deal with benign transportation?
• 1:27:51
  That feels like really out of place to me and is not really
• 1:27:56
  Conjuring. Which ability which abilities
• 1:28:00
  that you just swap places with somebody?
• 1:28:04
  30 feet away from you showed the reason.
• 1:28:06
  It's so conjuration in five D and E.
• 1:28:09
  Phi V is not only the ability to summon things, but also teleport
• 1:28:15
  so dimension. Door teleport, Misty step.
• 1:28:18
  All these spells are conjuration because it involves you
• 1:28:22
  teleporting but what teleportation also comes with
• 1:28:26
  summoning so you can summon creatures and other things from
• 1:28:29
  other dimensions whatever. So it's weird that teleporting
• 1:28:34
  And summoning are like the same school of magic, but I guess
• 1:28:39
  it's easier because like, well and also he's actually saw this
• 1:28:43
  online. The best way to describe why
• 1:28:44
  this makes sense, is because teleporting is just summoning
• 1:28:48
  yourself to a specific location. It is no, I get it.
• 1:28:54
  I just wish there was something else in place of that ability.
• 1:28:56
  Oh no, I love that ability. I've used it so many times.
• 1:28:59
  It's so fun. I just, I feel like that's not
• 1:29:03
  fulfilling your Can dream of being a Summoner though.
• 1:29:06
  No, it totally makes again, like I'm summoning myself.
• 1:29:10
  Nothing is more of a summon than being like I'm gonna be like,
• 1:29:14
  what I've what I've done is I was playing in a game with a
• 1:29:16
  chase scene and we are we were chasing someone.
• 1:29:19
  So I sent my my familiar out of a tiny window, it was like a
• 1:29:24
  little like does the small windows at like the top of a
• 1:29:26
  wall, I sent it through. Had it land on a roof.
• 1:29:29
  I teleported in switched places with that.
• 1:29:31
  The familiar flew out of the window to follow me and I could
• 1:29:34
  Switch my eyes to look through it to find the person and then
• 1:29:37
  switch back to myself. So keep following them like it,
• 1:29:41
  it doesn't seem that cool but when it works, it is so sick and
• 1:29:45
  you can make it work in a lot of situations.
• 1:29:48
  It's not necessarily its lack of coolness that I don't like it's
• 1:29:51
  just it's lack of feeling like a slightly different vibe and it's
• 1:29:55
  the only ability like that within The Conjurer.
• 1:30:02
  Yeah. But I feel like I think the
• 1:30:03
  problem therefore is Is the thing with the conjuration is
• 1:30:06
  that you need to encapsulate a lot of different aspects of
• 1:30:11
  magic within it because again conjuration is summoning its
• 1:30:15
  creation, it's teleportation. So I feel like if you didn't
• 1:30:19
  have one of each of those things, it wouldn't feel
• 1:30:22
  complete. Yes.
• 1:30:25
  That being said, I do have some gripes about Wizard and that is
• 1:30:29
  the ring. It back subclasses.
• 1:30:31
  Need more features because I love I was trying to think I was
• 1:30:35
  kind of thinking that. Yeah.
• 1:30:36
  But I want more like especially for things like divination where
• 1:30:40
  your spell list is so small that you need to bolster it somehow
• 1:30:47
  and look. Okay.
• 1:30:50
  Here's the thing though, I do kind of agree that Wizards feel
• 1:30:54
  a little anemic in terms of, you know, subclass features but
• 1:31:00
  everyone else gets the same amount that usually about 45.
• 1:31:06
  So sure, but my my counter to that is fighter with feats.
• 1:31:14
  I don't see the problem with wizard just having more subclass
• 1:31:18
  features than other people. Yeah, if that's their thing but
• 1:31:22
  Feats optional. Yeah.
• 1:31:25
  So again I've said this before I will basically never treat Feats
• 1:31:29
  is optional because I understand and I know, but but but but you
• 1:31:33
  have to think about this from the designer standpoint when
• 1:31:37
  they were designing the game initially before it came out.
• 1:31:40
  And, you know, when they're thinking everything and they
• 1:31:42
  think ahead of time or you know, They're planning on releasing
• 1:31:46
  it. They said, feets are optional,
• 1:31:49
  so they did not account for that as part of that design process.
• 1:31:54
  So, if wizard just suddenly had more class features than
• 1:31:58
  everyone else, that would feel kind of odd, you know.
• 1:32:02
  No, I think if that's, if that is sort of what this class is
• 1:32:05
  known for then, I think it works.
• 1:32:08
  If I don't think that's what it's supposed to be known for.
• 1:32:10
  I think they want it to be known for.
• 1:32:12
  I have the most spells suck my spell.
• 1:32:15
  Singing. I've I can do anything with the
• 1:32:17
  spells like I guess, but the problem with that lies in that
• 1:32:22
  8/8, similar to my problem with fighter, it therefore creates
• 1:32:26
  the problem where because it's identity is versatility.
• 1:32:30
  It doesn't really have an identity.
• 1:32:33
  Right? And like and we can we can dial
• 1:32:35
  this back. Sure Fighters about, okay, they
• 1:32:38
  get the most ASI is out of the game.
• 1:32:40
  So fighters on average are going to have the best stats out of
• 1:32:43
  every playable class because they can bump their stats to a
• 1:32:47
  ludicrous amount. Is that fair to subscribe?
• 1:32:49
  Yes. Which I believe was the original
• 1:32:51
  intended identity. So if that's the case, I feel
• 1:32:54
  like it would be fine to have the Wizards be like, okay, well
• 1:32:56
  these this is the the class features class in the same way
• 1:33:01
  that Bart is the only Ask that can like support the way that it
• 1:33:06
  does or artificers all about its utility.
• 1:33:11
  Like if that's the thing that the class is known for I just
• 1:33:15
  sit double down on those things. I don't think that's the thing
• 1:33:19
  though. That's might be what you want
• 1:33:20
  the class to be known for, but I don't think that's the thing
• 1:33:23
  wizard was supposed to be well known for.
• 1:33:25
  Yeah that's what that's all I'm saying is that if the fact that
• 1:33:29
  it has a bunch of class features is its identity, then that's
• 1:33:33
  fine because that's its identity.
• 1:33:34
  Like I'm not saying that's what it is now.
• 1:33:36
  But if that's what it could be that I think that would be hard
• 1:33:39
  for balance. Yep.
• 1:33:42
  Okay, here's the thing though. This game doesn't have That's
• 1:33:46
  not true. It has the Vegas Notions of
• 1:33:48
  balance, but inter inter character balance doesn't really
• 1:33:54
  exist because Marshals exist and high-level spellcasters exist.
• 1:33:58
  There is balance. The balance has a lot of
• 1:34:03
  different definitions. There is an attempted, there is
• 1:34:06
  a not even attempted, there is a type of balancing being had and
• 1:34:10
  the main thing is if you gave Wizards a ton of class features,
• 1:34:15
  then you Get into the realm of less, so about them being
• 1:34:17
  powerful and more. So I'm talking about them
• 1:34:19
  stepping on other people's toes. Maybe but I don't see a problem
• 1:34:24
  with them. Having as opposed to like major
• 1:34:26
  class features, you can just give them a bunch of ribbon
• 1:34:28
  class features. If it was a simple as like we're
• 1:34:32
  conjuration it's like oh for their fifth level ability.
• 1:34:36
  You, whenever you cast find familiar, you can summon two
• 1:34:39
  familiars as opposed to one or you're familiar stuff and
• 1:34:43
  distance has doubled. Right?
• 1:34:45
  I mean, the other thing too were kind of forgetting is with these
• 1:34:48
  classes. It's like yeah.
• 1:34:50
  They expect you as a divination was As a, you know, conjuration
• 1:34:54
  wizard, they expect you to take some, if not most of your
• 1:34:58
  Spell's being from your, you know, archetype and this is
• 1:35:02
  going to be like player handbook ones.
• 1:35:04
  Like they don't expect you like to only take those felt like
• 1:35:08
  only taking conjuration spells, you got to, like, mix it up and
• 1:35:11
  that's where like, the wizard where it's like and again
• 1:35:13
  subclasses. This is the main thing for five
• 1:35:15
  years. It's all about the subclasses
• 1:35:17
  baby. So if you want to, you want to,
• 1:35:21
  you know, as Suffolk type of wizard, you want to do a
• 1:35:23
  specific type of thing. You have to look at the sub
• 1:35:25
  classes, you can't just look at the class in general and just be
• 1:35:29
  like, all right, you know, it doesn't do this thing I want.
• 1:35:31
  So I mean, there's a certain amount of design that goes into
• 1:35:36
  the class in general. So I don't think you can't, you
• 1:35:39
  how you have to look at it just to a point, right?
• 1:35:44
  If I, yeah, it's one of things were five years.
• 1:35:46
  Specifically. It's so heavily designed on the
• 1:35:49
  subclass, right? But Matt, what Isaiah is saying
• 1:35:51
  is, He wants something to be changed on the intrinsic Base
• 1:35:55
  Class level and write certain things that are intrinsic to the
• 1:35:59
  base class. It's not only the subclasses, no
• 1:36:01
  II, guess the subclasses are important, but it's not only
• 1:36:04
  that. So it's like, I do kind of want
• 1:36:11
  wizard to have more class features.
• 1:36:15
  But I could also see the argument for why they shouldn't
• 1:36:18
  like they like I wish like, you know, like they're they're
• 1:36:21
  higher level ones where it's like signature spell or
• 1:36:23
  whatever. Where it's like you can cast
• 1:36:24
  like a first-level spell for free a day.
• 1:36:27
  Like why not have like a minor version of that?
• 1:36:30
  Where it's like, here's your miniature signature spell know
• 1:36:32
  instead of picking two spells you pick one spell and then once
• 1:36:35
  a day you can cast this for free and then you have the higher
• 1:36:38
  level one, where it's like, okay, now you can cast it for
• 1:36:40
  free forever so you can kinda have that because you have Bell
• 1:36:45
  Mastery. And then spell Mastery at 18th
• 1:36:47
  level, which is you choose a first level spell on a second
• 1:36:50
  level spell. Those you can cast without
• 1:36:52
  having that without expending a spell slot.
• 1:36:56
  And then you have signature smell which is third level
• 1:37:01
  spells, you can cast without expending a spell slot.
• 1:37:03
  You essentially get an extra spells lat so they do kind of
• 1:37:06
  have what you're talking about only at 18 to 20 last one day.
• 1:37:09
  I'm like it would be nice if it was spread out more.
• 1:37:12
  Yeah. Like I'm saying a minor version
• 1:37:13
  of those ones spread out where it's like I should be I think it
• 1:37:17
  should be every Couple of levels. like maybe at like you
• 1:37:24
  know I don't know 9th and 15th or 14th or 13, something like
• 1:37:29
  that you get to other versions of those yeah, that kind of goes
• 1:37:35
  back to the features thing like they're weird sort of Lack of
• 1:37:39
  class features. I just don't know.
• 1:37:42
  I just like, I just don't know if handing them a shitload of
• 1:37:46
  class features via the subclasses would get out of
• 1:37:50
  hand. I really don't think they would
• 1:37:53
  because we do see other situations where classes get a
• 1:37:56
  weird amount of class features, like Munch Munch gets something
• 1:38:02
  every single level and all more often than not, even if it
• 1:38:05
  doesn't show it, it gets multiple things, every single
• 1:38:08
  level whether that's an answer to their damage output
• 1:38:11
  increased. Their key points increase to
• 1:38:13
  their Movement Like monks just get a bunch of shit which is
• 1:38:18
  kind of funny because I feel like a lot of it doesn't do much
• 1:38:22
  but that's a different argument. So like dare I was owed
• 1:38:26
  different episode so I feel like you could get away with it
• 1:38:29
  pretty easily with wizard. Again if you make them more,
• 1:38:32
  ribbon-like abilities things that don't intrinsically alter
• 1:38:36
  the way the class can be played but they will ultimately bolster
• 1:38:40
  the thing that your subconscious Classes based around.
• 1:38:44
  So if you can maybe one of them is you can cast spells to your
• 1:38:47
  familiar or again you're familiar can double its
• 1:38:49
  distance. Maybe like pack of the chain it
• 1:38:52
  can attack an already cast spells through from the very
• 1:38:56
  specific spells. I guess.
• 1:39:01
  So, like if it was like, the the trickster domain cleric, where
• 1:39:04
  you can just carte blanche cast spells through your trickster,
• 1:39:08
  or your duplicity I like that. Or for evocation.
• 1:39:15
  It's you know, it's goes farther than just being like, Oh, I can
• 1:39:20
  make sure my friends don't get hurt.
• 1:39:21
  Like, what if one of evocations things is like once a day, you
• 1:39:24
  can add your proficiency, like you can double your proficiency
• 1:39:27
  modifier for a spell save, right?
• 1:39:30
  Just to be like because you know, if occasions whole thing
• 1:39:33
  is over but like overwhelming Force, if it's like, all right,
• 1:39:36
  cool, I dominate and I'm gonna burn my, you know, my overpower
• 1:39:41
  ability to increase my My DC by three points.
• 1:39:46
  You know what I mean? Yeah, stuff like that.
• 1:39:49
  I just said notification is feels a little wonky to me
• 1:39:55
  really why's that I so like sculpt spell although it's cool
• 1:40:02
  I almost like if I'm playing the evocation Wizard and I'm like my
• 1:40:07
  whole thing is I just blow shit up then I feel like I don't give
• 1:40:10
  a shit to sculpt my spell. I'm just Gonna Let it Loose and
• 1:40:14
  be like if he dies he dies, you know, hi.
• 1:40:18
  So it's like this is like weirdly careful for someone that
• 1:40:21
  I feel like shouldn't be. But there's a, there's a thing
• 1:40:24
  because there's that meta level of like, hey guys, we're playing
• 1:40:26
  a game together. Hey Larry, could you not fucking
• 1:40:30
  Classics me again, please. Can I just feel our soul spell
• 1:40:33
  should be on somebody else like on a different subclasses.
• 1:40:37
  I'm not sure which school that yeah like maybe abs are isshin,
• 1:40:40
  I feel like it should be someone else and not evocation.
• 1:40:42
  That does it well. So, I think I think the idea for
• 1:40:45
  a vocation is not just overwhelming Force, but it's,
• 1:40:50
  oh, damn, that was bad lightning.
• 1:40:51
  Oh my lights, just flickered. Okay, well let's hope that
• 1:40:53
  doesn't become a problem. It is precise control over your
• 1:40:57
  overwhelming Force. I mean, that's not how it's
• 1:41:00
  described but I guess is it, is it not?
• 1:41:04
  Hold on, no, no, your focus and your study on Magic, you focus
• 1:41:09
  your study on Magic that creates powerful Elemental effects such
• 1:41:12
  as bitter cold cereal. Flames Rolling Thunder,
• 1:41:15
  crackling lightning and burning acid.
• 1:41:17
  Some Eve, ochres and find employment and military forces
• 1:41:20
  serving as artillery to blast the enemies from afar other.
• 1:41:23
  Use their spectacular power to protect.
• 1:41:25
  The weak will some seek their own gain as adventurers Bandits
• 1:41:28
  or tyrants. So like there's no one there's
• 1:41:32
  no implication of carefulness there.
• 1:41:34
  Well, it does protect the weak. I feel like that with your baby
• 1:41:37
  with your spectacular power, I think you can do both.
• 1:41:42
  No, I know, but what I'm saying, is, the protect the weak, with
• 1:41:44
  your spectacular, power line reads to me is like, I'm gonna
• 1:41:47
  blow the Goblins the fuck up. So they can't come to the town.
• 1:41:50
  Not, I'm gonna like we've my Fireball around my homies.
• 1:41:54
  I think you can make an argument that it's also, I want to be
• 1:41:57
  able to Nuke this horde of goblins, without murdering all
• 1:41:59
  the civilians that they have, that are being held, hostage
• 1:42:02
  look, and I'm not against the ability, I just find it funny
• 1:42:06
  that it's on the evocations of bus.
• 1:42:08
  I'm not saying you are. I just, I think, I think Where
• 1:42:12
  we disagree is going back to the theme like some especially
• 1:42:16
  because it was because also signed out there.
• 1:42:18
  Other three abilities are not like that There are other three
• 1:42:22
  abilities are more damage. Yes, they are more damage.
• 1:42:26
  But if you see it as more damn it rather than more damage, it's
• 1:42:31
  I am in, what's the word I'm looking for?
• 1:42:35
  Embracing my mom, I'm racing less control as opposed to more
• 1:42:39
  control, right? Because over channel is fuck to
• 1:42:42
  control. I don't care about the control
• 1:42:45
  Versus sculpt spell which is I could go as hard as I physically
• 1:42:48
  could but I will level everything within 50 meters of
• 1:42:52
  me. So I'm going to pull back and
• 1:42:54
  use my power to control. Yeah.
• 1:42:58
  Yes. It's also the oh, I think the
• 1:43:00
  other thing that's bothering me is out of the four abilities.
• 1:43:03
  One of them has a control aspect in the other three.
• 1:43:05
  Don't So it's like, maybe if two of them were the control and two
• 1:43:11
  of them were the damage. I would get that a little bit
• 1:43:14
  more. Also, I kind of wish with
• 1:43:16
  empowered spell. It's like oh, you add your
• 1:43:18
  intelligence modifier to the damage roll?
• 1:43:21
  It's not that much extra damage. Any more damage?
• 1:43:25
  No. I mean, I need a magician is
• 1:43:27
  good damage, like, yeah. But it's only gonna be like 125,
• 1:43:32
  you know, and that level 10. That's like it's okay.
• 1:43:36
  Fair enough that being said the fact that it can also work with
• 1:43:41
  can trips just means that you're getting agonizing blast and yes
• 1:43:44
  you're getting it at a later level.
• 1:43:46
  But agonizing blast is never not good.
• 1:43:48
  You know. Right.
• 1:43:49
  But that's not the only thing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:43:53
  He's saying acts like agonizing blast, because you can use it on
• 1:43:56
  any brand. Any evocation Wizards.
• 1:43:58
  Wait. No.
• 1:43:59
  Yeah, no. No.
• 1:44:01
  Actually, because it doesn't say can trip.
• 1:44:03
  It's a spell so you can't use it on.
• 1:44:07
  Well, it would say, spell of first level or higher can chips
• 1:44:12
  do count his spells? They stay because I yeah because
• 1:44:16
  I thought it's a lot that's what a lot of people did would like
• 1:44:18
  fire bolt and then Firebolt has a shit ton of damage now.
• 1:44:23
  Not so sure about that, to be honest.
• 1:44:26
  It wasn't one of the Errata where they literally brought
• 1:44:28
  this up with Spell versatility, because they were like, oh, you
• 1:44:30
  can swap out a spell. It was for the optional features
• 1:44:35
  you a, they were like, oh, you can swap a spell when you take a
• 1:44:38
  level and then it said in bitten, like one of the side
• 1:44:40
  pockets can trips are spells. Maybe, I'll write that one
• 1:44:45
  again. I'm not resent, but yeah, I'm
• 1:44:47
  gonna do it right now. Hey, / Channel cool though.
• 1:44:52
  Okay, / channel is cool and it over Channel just big damage.
• 1:44:57
  The image. I also like that / channel is
• 1:45:00
  big risk reward a big risk reward.
• 1:45:04
  Yes. I mean I'll I'm you know.
• 1:45:07
  Yeah, you can keep throwing it until you kill yourself.
• 1:45:11
  We have some really fun. What I was going to say is I've
• 1:45:15
  tried to coming up while. I mean I have I've come up with
• 1:45:16
  Mechanics for this as well to use across the board.
• 1:45:19
  The idea of like overcasting like burning some sort of other
• 1:45:24
  resource to continue casting spells because I love that idea.
• 1:45:27
  And I think that's more interesting to me than well, I
• 1:45:30
  just can't cast anything today, right?
• 1:45:32
  Like I think the idea of just running out of spell slots and
• 1:45:37
  then I'm, you're fucked is very boring.
• 1:45:41
  How do you feel about the idea of taking?
• 1:45:42
  Like, you know, you roll, hit the ice and then you take that
• 1:45:45
  amount of damage. But you regain a number of hits,
• 1:45:48
  hit dice equal to some kind of number.
• 1:45:50
  Just like you're using your hit, the ice for something other than
• 1:45:53
  like you know, short rest. Well soon, I like that.
• 1:45:57
  That's what he did. But the second that I had to
• 1:46:00
  come up with was you burn a spouse lat every time?
• 1:46:04
  You want to cast a spell? Which means you know you have
• 1:46:09
  upwards of 20 but everytime you burn the hit die.
• 1:46:13
  You also have to roll to not suffer exhaustion and the DC
• 1:46:18
  will continue to go up as you're burning your hit die.
• 1:46:20
  So basically the hit dice acted as a token that you could redeem
• 1:46:23
  and the resource was your exhaustion, okay?
• 1:46:27
  And I believe you also took much like casting wish.
• 1:46:30
  I think I also added that you take damage similar to Casting
• 1:46:33
  wish where it's like every level is like an it's that new spell.
• 1:46:37
  Slot number D6. So you can keep doing it,
• 1:46:42
  especially if you have a good healer, who's keeping you up,
• 1:46:44
  but eventually you're going to, you're going to burn out.
• 1:46:48
  I've no idea what you're talking about for the wish part.
• 1:46:51
  That sounds maybe a little more complicated than needed.
• 1:46:56
  Oh yeah, it's yeah. I mean it was it was, I made it
• 1:46:59
  a few years ago, my understanding of the mechanics
• 1:47:01
  were not as nuanced. Yeah, I say anything else for
• 1:47:05
  like fixing the class, quote unquote or any other like issues
• 1:47:08
  that we have cuz I oh yeah as a you didn't say are you against
• 1:47:12
  the the like Spellbook mechanic stuff, yay, or nay?
• 1:47:15
  I like smell books. I like the idea spell books.
• 1:47:17
  I Love that you you have a literal access to your Spell's
• 1:47:23
  whenever you want I like the the potential flavor of having your
• 1:47:25
  Spell's to your spell book taken from you.
• 1:47:28
  I specifically mean the whole like transcribing new spells for
• 1:47:31
  the cost of golden time and all that shit.
• 1:47:34
  No, I like that. I think I don't know how else
• 1:47:36
  you would do it because to me it doesn't really make sense to
• 1:47:39
  just be like, okay cool. I just do this for free, you
• 1:47:42
  know? Like um I don't know how to do
• 1:47:44
  it either. I think some people just want it
• 1:47:46
  to be you just have Have the Spells you have and you don't
• 1:47:49
  need to. I think the beef people have
• 1:47:51
  with it is they don't is, it's that problem of well, this is a
• 1:47:56
  cool thing that lets me get extra spells and the game is
• 1:48:00
  sort of designed in such a fat, or the class is sort of designed
• 1:48:02
  in such a fashion that it assumes, you will be getting
• 1:48:06
  extra spells. So it doesn't.
• 1:48:08
  The wizard doesn't get that many new spells as they level up then
• 1:48:11
  we get to write. So I think the beef people have
• 1:48:16
  is this is cool. If the game is run, the way it's
• 1:48:20
  supposed to be and I'm given these spells.
• 1:48:22
  But shitty, if my GM just never lets me get spell books or
• 1:48:26
  Scrolls then I'm annoyed because I'm not getting to do my cool
• 1:48:29
  thing. Yeah people have the problem
• 1:48:32
  with hose but you 20th level you have access to what 46 spells
• 1:48:40
  that's a lot, right? But it's that thing of like
• 1:48:44
  yeah, you do still have a lot of spells, but it's kind of like
• 1:48:46
  that thing of if The because the wizard doesn't get any class
• 1:48:49
  features and getting spells to supposed to be their whole
• 1:48:52
  thing. Then you want to have as many as
• 1:48:54
  you possibly can. And because with, you know,
• 1:48:57
  Wizards of the Coast, the company not the class built in
• 1:49:01
  the whole Spellbook mechanic people are, people are under the
• 1:49:05
  assumption that they sort of restricted.
• 1:49:07
  How many spells they got automatically?
• 1:49:09
  Assuming you would get them through spellbooks.
• 1:49:11
  Whereas, if you took the Spellbook mechanic away, they
• 1:49:13
  would have to just give them to you automatically, because they
• 1:49:15
  had no other way to do it. I like it.
• 1:49:18
  I'm not against it. I also think it's really fun
• 1:49:20
  flavor, and it's a good money sink, which I always like to
• 1:49:24
  have multiple different money stinks because that's always a
• 1:49:26
  problem. Yeah, that's what I'm saying
• 1:49:28
  earlier, right? I've heard the argument.
• 1:49:30
  Yeah. Yeah, I've heard the argument
• 1:49:32
  being like, no, it's fucking annoying and like, it sucks
• 1:49:35
  because my GM didn't let me get a spell books.
• 1:49:36
  No, no. I mean, my, my sort of beef and
• 1:49:40
  this is a beef that I run into several times because I've
• 1:49:43
  played more than one wizard. I played a few and the I always
• 1:49:48
  feel like in this is most likely a coincidence is that when the
• 1:49:54
  GM does allow you to learn more spells, very rarely do you
• 1:49:58
  actually have the money to transcribe those spells.
• 1:50:01
  So you're just like, oh cool. I have this type of two of these
• 1:50:03
  to spell books and they each got five spells in them, but I don't
• 1:50:08
  have money. Yeah, that's half.
• 1:50:10
  That's happened to me a couple times to where I'd have to save
• 1:50:12
  up, or like my fellow Storm King Thunder players wear.
• 1:50:17
  Really nice. And like one of them was
• 1:50:18
  literally like, hey, so I think the spell like you just got this
• 1:50:22
  fellow from the spell book, I think it's a really useful for
• 1:50:25
  us. I'll just give you the gold so
• 1:50:27
  you can, you know, go transcribe it and I'm like, oh really did
• 1:50:31
  you want me to pay you back? And it's like, now, it's like
• 1:50:34
  you're the wizard. You're part of the party, it
• 1:50:35
  doesn't matter. So this case, it's kind of nice.
• 1:50:38
  But yeah, I've had those moments where I'm like, I'm saving up
• 1:50:41
  all this money. I just need 300 gold and I can
• 1:50:44
  finally copy this one spell. And then I can sell the spell
• 1:50:46
  book. To get more gold to copy spell.
• 1:50:49
  It's from another book. I, you know, I'm kind of okay
• 1:50:54
  with that though. Like that's not really a
• 1:50:56
  negative story in my eyes. No, I don't think it's - but it
• 1:50:59
  can be like, t.i. can understand where people think it's tedious,
• 1:51:02
  or whatever, or annoying, but I'm not.
• 1:51:05
  I agree. I like the many mechanics that
• 1:51:08
  add flavor, and for, and I feel like having to spend money and
• 1:51:11
  time to like, transcribe, new spells adds fun flavor to the
• 1:51:14
  wizard. So like, what are you guys?
• 1:51:16
  Yeah. Go on.
• 1:51:18
  No, no. I was like, what do you guys
• 1:51:20
  think of like the like? Because like we all kind of know
• 1:51:23
  about the old van seeing way like magic where it's like, he's
• 1:51:26
  sort of spelling and like, after you cast, it leaves your head,
• 1:51:30
  usually, like adding a mechanic like that to the wizard where
• 1:51:33
  it's like, kind of like the, the signature spell or something
• 1:51:35
  like that. Where it's like, there's one
• 1:51:37
  spouse specifically that stuck in your head and then asked
• 1:51:40
  after you cast it, that smells gone.
• 1:51:42
  You don't know that spell anymore?
• 1:51:44
  Nah. No, I'm not about it now.
• 1:51:47
  Disclosure. I really don't like Nancy and
• 1:51:49
  spell-casting. I think it's and of Goofy and
• 1:51:51
  I've never liked it. Well, so it's also worth noting
• 1:51:55
  that part of the point of the van see and spell-casting was
• 1:51:59
  that in the books that established the van seeing
• 1:52:03
  spell-casting, there was more lore to how the magic worked
• 1:52:07
  that DND didn't adopt because in, I don't remember what the
• 1:52:12
  book series is actually called, but in the book series written
• 1:52:14
  by mr. Vance.
• 1:52:16
  Spells and Magic are like alive, right?
• 1:52:20
  Yeah, the reason the Spells leave your brain is because when
• 1:52:23
  you cast them, essentially, you imprison the living spell in
• 1:52:26
  your brain. And then once you cast it, you
• 1:52:28
  let it loose. And so, because you Let it
• 1:52:30
  Loose, it runs away from you. And like a lot of that extra
• 1:52:34
  stuff, they didn't put into D and D, they just took the like,
• 1:52:37
  oh, the smell goes away thing and yeah, no, I'm not about it.
• 1:52:41
  Yeah. I mean, I'm the way, the way
• 1:52:42
  that I've seen it run and the way that I I'm often flavored in
• 1:52:48
  my head is that you basically store.
• 1:52:52
  I I see wizards as like perfect Inventory management where it's
• 1:52:57
  like, okay I have just a Mana to cast these specific spells.
• 1:53:02
  I know I can do these ruffling. This many times I've done the
• 1:53:05
  calculations in my head you know.
• 1:53:08
  Yeah cuz I've definitely done that.
• 1:53:10
  It like you know there's the mean we're like Angry dams.
• 1:53:13
  It's like all right player. It's your turn.
• 1:53:15
  What do you do? The players flipping through the
• 1:53:16
  book? So as GM's out there, give
• 1:53:21
  spellcasters maybe like an extra like second or two like you
• 1:53:24
  know, because they just a lot guy last Frozen stuff because I
• 1:53:27
  feel bad because like I'm constantly doing that like I'm
• 1:53:31
  looking through my spell list. I'm looking through help me
• 1:53:34
  spell slots in the things to do in the position of everything
• 1:53:36
  and then when it gets to my turn, so much nonsense has
• 1:53:39
  happened on the battlefield that every plan I had, or every idea
• 1:53:43
  I had, I had to throw out the window and change it.
• 1:53:45
  And then I end up just doing Ting, aah dimension door.
• 1:53:50
  Yeah, I mean, that's when you look at the situation, go elal
• 1:53:53
  Fireball anyway, actually. So I do have it.
• 1:53:56
  This isn't, this is not a complaint, for Wizard, is a
• 1:53:59
  complaint for any spellcaster, that's a full, at least half
• 1:54:02
  Caster, you should have a mechanic that lets you swap
• 1:54:06
  bars, right prepared. Caster specifically, you should
• 1:54:11
  100% have an ability that lets you swap a spell out.
• 1:54:16
  Short rest make it just one. I don't care if it's just the
• 1:54:19
  one. Didn't Tasha said something like
• 1:54:22
  that to one class. He, I don't remember, which I
• 1:54:25
  don't have it on hand, but I, I think maybe clerics have it.
• 1:54:30
  I don't really know. But I don't like that.
• 1:54:33
  That's something that you like, I don't like the idea that could
• 1:54:38
  potentially be restricted to one class, right?
• 1:54:41
  Like the idea of like, oh well, I didn't prepare this spell
• 1:54:45
  today. I don't have the energy to cast
• 1:54:48
  it in like my repertoire, but I can try.
• 1:54:51
  And you can you know flavored as swapping a spell out for prepare
• 1:54:55
  for like clerics I'm Les. Unless bothered by the idea of
• 1:55:02
  like having spells that way. Because I always imagined
• 1:55:06
  clerics being like God, just tells you, these are the Spells
• 1:55:09
  you can cast today, this is what you get today, bitch?
• 1:55:11
  Yeah, but you as the player, Our God in this sense because I've
• 1:55:16
  heard people be like, oh, GM should pick their spells for
• 1:55:18
  their players. No, fuck you fuck off, don't you
• 1:55:21
  dare? Don't you fucking dare?
• 1:55:23
  I'm Dad, I've never heard of that one.
• 1:55:26
  Yeah, I've heard that from a few YouTube.
• 1:55:28
  And especially, yeah, it's not a take on a particular fan of I, I
• 1:55:33
  would say like, if you if a player asks you, to do it.
• 1:55:37
  Sure. But if that's a rule that your
• 1:55:40
  table, I'm not saying I'm not going to play at your table, but
• 1:55:42
  I'm definitely not playing a prepared.
• 1:55:43
  Caster your table. Fuck that.
• 1:55:46
  That's not as bad but it sounds kind of like, some of the
• 1:55:48
  argument of, like, Conjuring animals and it's like in the
• 1:55:50
  rules that says to do, um, has to choose.
• 1:55:53
  Meanwhile, literally everyone in their mothers.
• 1:55:54
  Just like, yeah, pick an animal. I don't give a fuck.
• 1:55:57
  Yeah. Well, the reason that the reason
• 1:55:59
  for that is that was an attempt at balancing.
• 1:56:01
  So if the DM was like, I don't want to deal with eight snakes,
• 1:56:05
  but I can handle two horses than the DM could.
• 1:56:07
  Just choose two horses. That's kind of the idea behind
• 1:56:11
  it. So like I understand why they
• 1:56:12
  did it but it is a little noodley because it creates the
• 1:56:15
  situation of like passing the book back and forth and like
• 1:56:19
  bargaining with each other. I spend my ninth level spells
• 1:56:23
  lot, the cat and 32 snakes. Yeah and you could also run Into
• 1:56:27
  the problem where it's like, all right.
• 1:56:28
  GMI cast conjure animals in the GM goes LOL.
• 1:56:31
  Here's 10 reef sharks we're on land.
• 1:56:34
  Yeah. In the desert.
• 1:56:36
  Yeah, good that that's the other problem so you know, I get why
• 1:56:39
  they did it. I understand what the intention
• 1:56:41
  was but yeah, it didn't work out.
• 1:56:44
  I do get what they were trying to do so you know I cut them a
• 1:56:48
  little bit of slack on that one as far as like swapping or
• 1:56:51
  prepared spelling. A short rest that's you know I
• 1:56:55
  think I can yeah something like Like that are like, you know,
• 1:56:58
  half that's fine. I like the Arcane recovery where
• 1:57:00
  it's like half your spell level, you know, up to a certain look
• 1:57:04
  like number, you can do. So you can't just like, swap out
• 1:57:08
  your whole fucking list. Yeah.
• 1:57:10
  That's horribly. Of course.
• 1:57:11
  Not your whole list but like, you know, limited to your
• 1:57:14
  proficiency modifier or yeah. Limited to half your proficiency
• 1:57:18
  modifier because your love all around town or something.
• 1:57:21
  I don't know where you like what you like scorned by this sounds
• 1:57:25
  like the sounds like it cut. Well, there's one time times
• 1:57:29
  were like, look, I don't cheat, I just don't think there's a
• 1:57:32
  point I always prefer to work around my problems.
• 1:57:35
  However if you've been like a, if you have been a cleric right
• 1:57:41
  and it's like, okay today was supposed to be a day of like,
• 1:57:46
  you know, where we're trying, I have to be like healer and I
• 1:57:49
  have to be damaged today or if today your like no just defense
• 1:57:52
  and damage and then a player dies you're like well I don't
• 1:57:53
  have room if I or I don't have raised at or whatever the Well,
• 1:57:57
  whooops. The fact that like I'm just
• 1:58:00
  fucked like and yeah, sure there's something to say about
• 1:58:03
  the consequences of your actions.
• 1:58:04
  Sure. But I feel like there are easy
• 1:58:08
  ways to get the best of both worlds.
• 1:58:10
  Like maybe it's like, oh, you can swap out any, any spell from
• 1:58:13
  third level or lower, right? You're not going to go to swap
• 1:58:16
  out your Shield of faith for a Sunbeam, but it's like, all
• 1:58:21
  right. Well, what if I swapped out
• 1:58:23
  Shield of faith for bless or something like that, you know,
• 1:58:29
  Yes, I don't know how I would do it but it's an interesting
• 1:58:34
  thought same? Yeah, there's a maybe two.
• 1:58:38
  Mmm, I did I did have a random question.
• 1:58:42
  Hey well no, I have to 2 root 2 to 4, or 2 questions about, I
• 1:58:48
  guess. We'll have to leave.
• 1:58:49
  Got to kind of wrap up. So I'll be kind of quick but one
• 1:58:53
  why is the wording on scope spell so odd?
• 1:58:56
  Am I missing? Something I don't know why.
• 1:58:59
  I think it's odd. I've been looking at that all
• 1:59:02
  day, all okay, episode. Okay.
• 1:59:06
  The Chosen creature, automatically succeeds on their
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  say on their saving throws against the spell and they take
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  no damage if they would normally take half.
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  So they're always gonna take no damage because they
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  automatically succeed on their save.
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  So why doesn't it just say the targeted allies?
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  Are not even the targets. Take no damage from the spell.
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  What's the point of adding the extra stipulation of like Auto
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  succeeding on this on the savings?
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  And then also you get the effect of invasion.
• 1:59:38
  I don't well, concerning certain spells, they say you take half
• 1:59:41
  damage instead of like the full damage even if you succeed or
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  even if right resistance. So it's like with this is like
• 1:59:47
  why not just override all of that and say the people hit by
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  the spell. Take no damage.
• 1:59:53
  Then you just override everything I do, man.
• 1:59:55
  I'm not a doctor. It just seems like excessive
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  word soup for no reason when they could have very easily just
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  put the tart The Chosen creatures automatically take no
• 2:00:05
  damage from this bill may be like so I agree with what you're
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  saying. I think that's how it should be
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  but I believe potentially the argument are is for things like
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  wall of flame, where there is no saving throw, you just take
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  damage. So you would just maybe be
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  fucked in that sense. Maybe.
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  I don't know. I just found that one to be, I
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  mean, it's not a huge deal and just found it to be strangely
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  worded and I'm really get like, but the last little, the last
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  little thing I did notice is so, it mentions at the very
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  beginning of wizard or not, the very beginning, but it mentions
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  in the creating a wizard paragraph says, creating a with
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  creating a wizard character Demands.
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  A backstory dominated by at least one extraordinary event,
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  And I just thought that was interesting.
• 2:00:59
  Isn't that the Zenith our stuff though, is that?
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  No, that's how is it now? Shit.
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  Yeah, I'm not a, I'm, I'm perfectly fine with the sentence
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  being in there. I just found it interesting
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  because it is a very direct and demanding statement.
• 2:01:18
  Like it doesn't say, you can have an extra, it says Demands,
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  a backstory dominated by an extraordinary event and I
• 2:01:26
  Interesting because 5e doesn't usually use that kind of
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  language. There's just like hmmm
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  intriguing know if you guys have any like statement on it because
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  like that's intriguing. Yeah, I mean I think it's, I
• 2:01:41
  think what they are trying to insinuate is, why are you an
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  adventurer right? Like right?
• 2:01:45
  Yeah, no. I get what they're trying to
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  insinuate. You think?
• 2:01:47
  It's there? Why are you?
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  Yeah, it's just very strange. It's very forceful and 5e is
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  often not forceful in its wording, you know?
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  So I just thought that was intriguing.
• 2:02:01
  Things like, I guess because it's like, I mean wizard.
• 2:02:04
  Such a specific like again, like, you know, the cash they're
• 2:02:07
  weaving magic, all that jazz, like there's something eccentric
• 2:02:12
  has to like, put you on the path to being a wizard.
• 2:02:14
  You can't just be like, well I agree, I'll farmer Jim picking
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  his nose in the fields one day and then all of a sudden like,
• 2:02:22
  you know, he just gets the thunking, like I'm gonna be a
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  wizard. I'm gonna be the fight every
• 2:02:26
  night and you just picture of the guy shooting, the rooster
• 2:02:29
  magic missiles from Tasha. So, fucking great chicken
• 2:02:32
  wizard. I just think it's funny.
• 2:02:34
  I just or not even funny. I just think it's interesting
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  that it doesn't say something like being a wizard means.
• 2:02:41
  You probably should have an extraordinary event.
• 2:02:43
  Your bacteria are like, creating a wizard means that something
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  weird. Probably happen because they
• 2:02:48
  like to use the word, probably a lot because they don't want to
• 2:02:51
  feel like they're telling you what to do.
• 2:02:53
  But in this sentence, they said demands good looks and your feet
• 2:02:57
  in the ground Wizards. Well, I got, I just I like it.
• 2:03:01
  Because I like when a rope because the whole point, right?
• 2:03:04
  If you're buying a role-playing game, then presumably you want
• 2:03:06
  the designers to sort of tell you what to do because you're
• 2:03:09
  buying their game. So I kind of like it when a game
• 2:03:13
  is like this is how it is bitch. Like tough tough mashugana like
• 2:03:17
  deal with it and I don't know I kind of like they put their foot
• 2:03:20
  down that sentence yeah it adds some like get a little spicy
• 2:03:25
  return Wizards just talking dirty to me you know.
• 2:03:30
  Why did you put it that way? I don't know why I left the
• 2:03:37
  reminder that commercial with like the vacuum cheese in the
• 2:03:39
  guys like eating. He's like, yeah, you dirty girl
• 2:03:41
  then he just slaps it it's just like just spank your mat, your
• 2:03:50
  mac and cheese, maybe maybe my God, yeah, I don't know.
• 2:03:56
  I had I don't really know how I feel about that because usually
• 2:04:00
  I'm I'm usually against the like it needs to be this way.
• 2:04:05
  Obviously there are somewhere. I'm not like I like, you know,
• 2:04:09
  we've we are at some point we're going to get into like races and
• 2:04:12
  ancestry and go off on a tangent about that.
• 2:04:16
  But you know I just don't know how I feel about being like it
• 2:04:21
  needs to be. I think I feel like maybe should
• 2:04:24
  be, is the like I said, I'm not saying it's bad.
• 2:04:30
  I just I'm not. Really sure I heard about it.
• 2:04:32
  I like that firm language. Firm handshake?
• 2:04:36
  Yeah, separate. I've read other games that are
• 2:04:38
  written like that, where everything is very like hard
• 2:04:41
  firm statement. And I kind of like it because,
• 2:04:44
  you know, at the end of the day, a tabletop game, you can ignore
• 2:04:47
  every single written word, no matter what.
• 2:04:49
  So you don't need to, I don't feel like it's necessary to give
• 2:04:54
  permission and be like you can ignore this if you want because
• 2:04:57
  that's an implied. Implied permission is literally
• 2:04:59
  there forever. Re single tabletop game ever.
• 2:05:03
  So just just write what you want to write, say what you want to
• 2:05:06
  say and then you know I think the writing comes off better
• 2:05:11
  that way. I think it comes off better than
• 2:05:14
  if you try to kind of like tiptoe and stuff, we're trying
• 2:05:18
  to say like shoulds and maybes and probablies.
• 2:05:24
  I'm probably in the minority though.
• 2:05:25
  So, whatever. Fuck me.
• 2:05:26
  Well, so I think how I feel on the subject is that it should
• 2:05:30
  always The rules, like it, especially when it comes to
• 2:05:34
  flavor, like that, it should always State clearly, what the
• 2:05:38
  norm is, right? If so, if it said, like, you
• 2:05:42
  know, creating a wizard often often Demands, a backstory
• 2:05:48
  dominated by at least one, right?
• 2:05:49
  Because what, if you're the homeschooled wizard, Or like
• 2:05:55
  because that I would argue, that's not a extraordinary
• 2:05:57
  event. I got my dad's about what I'm
• 2:06:00
  saying is evocation met that guy back at the house, what I'm
• 2:06:04
  saying is no matter how firm the statement is nothing, is
• 2:06:09
  stopping you from making that homeschool wizard any way other
• 2:06:13
  than the DM potentially? Well, yeah.
• 2:06:16
  Okay. But if from the game
• 2:06:18
  perspective, Your friend of me. Does my life?
• 2:06:23
  Does my last something? Yeah I guess.
• 2:06:26
  Do we have any like closing thoughts on the wizard in
• 2:06:28
  general? Like I feel like this has been
• 2:06:32
  kind of cool because it's been like a lot of positives and a
• 2:06:34
  lot of like new insight for me as someone who's who's been
• 2:06:38
  playing this class for way too. Goddamn long.
• 2:06:41
  Who still doesn't feel like I fully like Master it quote
• 2:06:44
  unquote. Which is like hearing you guys
• 2:06:47
  talk about. It's been, you know, very
• 2:06:49
  insightful for me school of Illusion is kind of a no fuck.
• 2:06:54
  You is the coolest school is fucking awesome.
• 2:06:57
  And you just need to work with your DM and be like, listen, you
• 2:07:00
  know, that scene from Guardians of the Galaxy I'm about to make
• 2:07:02
  some weird shit. Like, just talk to your DM
• 2:07:05
  upfront about it. About me, let me look through it
• 2:07:09
  super quick just to that's my closing.
• 2:07:12
  Thought I was thinking about which subclasses my least
• 2:07:14
  favorite Wizards up fast. I'll drag it less than War shit
• 2:07:21
  family, right? Fuck warm inside.
• 2:07:22
  Okay, yeah, I was you buddy, get free lamed.
• 2:07:26
  Damn magic is so that's the 14th of ability.
• 2:07:31
  I can literally make anything I want and be real, for a minute
• 2:07:35
  permit. It doesn't matter.
• 2:07:36
  It's It's only one minute. It's really me down.
• 2:07:40
  Be like look at this. Cool Bridge up bridge is gone.
• 2:07:42
  Like that's fine. You only a bit.
• 2:07:44
  It only needed for a minute. If it was like an hour, I'd be
• 2:07:48
  like. All right.
• 2:07:48
  Let's kind of cool. I don't know why a minute.
• 2:07:52
  That seems so unnecessarily restrictive but especially
• 2:07:56
  because it's not get sick like for abilities that are purely
• 2:07:59
  combat, right? Like form of dread on, the
• 2:08:01
  undead warlock being a minute. I understand because it's like
• 2:08:04
  combat things. You want to have a certain a
• 2:08:06
  limiter on it so you make it a minute so its potential rounds
• 2:08:09
  that again. But for something like
• 2:08:11
  illusionary reality, it's like this I'm probably not using in
• 2:08:14
  combat and I'm probably doing some wacky.
• 2:08:16
  Woo hoo shit with it. So like let me keep it for like
• 2:08:19
  at least an hour. I think you could pull some
• 2:08:22
  nonsense with it, in combat, you can.
• 2:08:25
  But I'm saying it's not like its sole purpose is a combat
• 2:08:28
  ability? No, no.
• 2:08:29
  Has a lot of application is that seems unnecessary to restrict it
• 2:08:33
  to a minute. No, I mean, especially is our
• 2:08:35
  14th level ability, come on, I guess 14th level.
• 2:08:39
  Yeah, you could do some wild shit at 40 level, true plus plus
• 2:08:44
  motherfucker, a loser reality. There's probably a spell that
• 2:08:47
  already does something like that anyway that I could just Cast.
• 2:08:50
  So like, I mean sort of it's the phantasms and that one exactly
• 2:08:55
  three dragon, but well, because the difference being isn't, the
• 2:08:57
  phantasms aren't literally real. They're just real to that person
• 2:09:00
  and I know, but like, I'm just saying the the fine line between
• 2:09:05
  high-level spell. And I love ability is like
• 2:09:07
  pretty fucking thin. Do I have?
• 2:09:10
  Any, do you have a subclass? You don't like other than for
• 2:09:14
  magic? No.
• 2:09:18
  Ice white, almost all of them. Yeah.
• 2:09:20
  Like I think you're a great guy, even though I kind of agree war
• 2:09:25
  cup Caster or magic magic is it, fuck.
• 2:09:29
  I can't English tonight. Yeah, it's my least favorite but
• 2:09:33
  I would still play it. Well, I guess the thing that's
• 2:09:35
  the weird thing is I would actually not for like a full
• 2:09:38
  campaign for someone who's getting like a one or two shot.
• 2:09:41
  I'd be like, yeah, I can make war Reserve.
• 2:09:42
  Yeah. I mean, having a shitload of
• 2:09:44
  spells. It's just hard to argue with the
• 2:09:47
  end of the day, you know? Yep.
• 2:09:50
  So even if those Wizards subclass is really shitty.
• 2:09:54
  I still have my spills food, don't do I have any advice?
• 2:10:00
  I don't know. Wizard, cool.
• 2:10:01
  Enter enter such authority to South Park, if you're afraid of
• 2:10:07
  playing a spellcaster stop being a baby play a spell Caster just
• 2:10:10
  do it. It's so much fun.
• 2:10:12
  So often than not it's not as hard as you think it would be to
• 2:10:16
  manage, it can be a little noodle at times but more often
• 2:10:19
  that it's And it has so much potential for creating Great
• 2:10:23
  Moments. Yeah, that's it.
• 2:10:28
  That's my, that's my advice. Just play spellcasters.
• 2:10:29
  They're fun. There's no, yeah, they're great.
• 2:10:32
  Yeah, yeah. Okay.
• 2:10:33
  It do like, you know, like I said, I can be daunting, but
• 2:10:35
  like, once you get it once, you understand.
• 2:10:37
  It's not even that like hard to understand.
• 2:10:39
  But like once you get it and you get the prepared spells and you
• 2:10:42
  pick your Spell's and all that, it's so fun.
• 2:10:45
  It's so fun to literally just be like, I've so many options, I
• 2:10:49
  can do whatever I want. I want and then your lady that
• 2:10:51
  Daffy Duck like flying through space blasting, monsters meme.
• 2:10:56
  It's great much like dming, just try it.
• 2:10:59
  Hey, it's easy and fun, maybe it won't be that easy.
• 2:11:03
  But like it's fun. I mean, Play what you're
• 2:11:11
  comfortable with but yes, spell-casting is not.
• 2:11:16
  As intimidating as you might initially assume.
• 2:11:19
  It's literally the only intimidating factor.
• 2:11:22
  Is you have to read a little bit more.
• 2:11:24
  That's pretty much it. Oh, God, I'm a learn.
• 2:11:26
  Oh, yeah, but I mean, if you're a literary, I don't know how to
• 2:11:29
  tell you this, but you're playing the wrong game.
• 2:11:36
  Oh yeah. Wizard is the best class in the
• 2:11:38
  game? It literally they named their
• 2:11:40
  company after the class it is the best in all the universe.
• 2:11:44
  Multiverse whatever they're doing now playing my feet firmly
• 2:11:47
  in the ground. There you go.
• 2:11:48
  There's my statement. Where's my check?
• 2:11:52
  Where's my check? Sponsor me was just now.
• 2:11:58
  No, no. I do like Joking.
• 2:12:04
  Not really. I do that actually agree.
• 2:12:06
  I think I do actually believe my own thing where wizard.
• 2:12:09
  I do feel like they are the best one of those if not the best
• 2:12:13
  class in the game just because of like the ability to really do
• 2:12:18
  anything and the only limitation is your creativity and maybe
• 2:12:22
  your GM, maybe your fellows that list.
• 2:12:26
  But yeah, but they get the biggest ballast and the game
• 2:12:29
  it's it's again, it's the stereotypical Dean d.
• 2:12:33
  Like class. Like, you know, you think of
• 2:12:37
  Dungeons and Dragons, you think of the guy with the sword, you
• 2:12:40
  think of the wizard with the staff and the robes and then the
• 2:12:44
  other two are the Rogue in the cleric like, you know, like
• 2:12:49
  wizard is like, you know, we talked about Fighters last time.
• 2:12:52
  This time wizard, it's iffy. The two pillars that can break
• 2:12:55
  down into the other classes of the game.
• 2:13:00
  Next time we go on a roast fist, get your ass ready.
• 2:13:03
  Monk. No wait fuck you.
• 2:13:05
  That I like the monkey. Can I do actually like tongue
• 2:13:09
  for the standard Fuck that Ranger son of a bitch.
• 2:13:13
  So my right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:13:20
  Thank you. Thank you everybody for joining
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• 2:13:29
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• 2:14:14
  Now I've got to go and plan my gun monk slash muscle, monk
• 2:14:18
  muscle wizard. Sorry.
• 2:14:20
  Oh, hell yeah, muscle was muscle.
• 2:14:22
  Wizard mother with a gun wizard guys still?
• 2:14:25
  I don't know why it's, because the does that video game coming
• 2:14:28
  out, and I really want to try like actually doing a gun
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  Wizard, and DND egged on think it'll work.
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  Your baby's already exists map. Just, I doubt it.
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  It's just artificer wizard. Let's just silence.
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  No, this is good. We try to close its fact, that's
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  not right. This is this, the fade out that
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  Beretta