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Jaguars Happy Hour | Staying Focused in London, Analyzing Week 5 Defensive Alignment · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, October 8th. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 2: And now, a guy heading.
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: Overseas to audition to become the next Bond villain, Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Ball Knower, Brian Sexton.
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  Speaker 2: I hate you, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even sure what to say that. Actually, I
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  Speaker 1: love you, Joe. But the Ball Knowers are sitting across
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  Speaker 1: from me. And I'm looking. The problem is, is neither
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  Speaker 1: one of them are villains. They are Jeff Lagerman and
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  Speaker 1: Mark Duffner.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, guys.
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Doing great.
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  Speaker 1: And we welcome you in to Jaguars Happy Hour. Brian,
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  Speaker 1: along with these two gentlemen. Crazy couple of days for
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  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, right? We've been talking since Sunday about
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  Speaker 1: the injuries to Saquon Barkley and Tank Bixby, who is
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  Speaker 1: on injured reserve now with the core injuries. Muscle surgery
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  Speaker 1: behind him. Devonta Smith has a hamstring. Didn't play last week.
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  Speaker 1: You've got the right tackle retiring. You've got Dallas Goddard
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  Speaker 1: with a hamstring. I mean, we're talking the very core
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  Speaker 1: of the Eagles. And then the news today that Cam Juergens,
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  Speaker 1: the former Pro Bowl center who they moved to left guard,
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  Speaker 1: has been traded. What is going on in Joe's hometown?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, all the things you talk about. And I hate
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  Speaker 2: to say this, but, I mean, it's setting up like
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  Speaker 2: me and Duff talked about this briefly. Yeah. Trap game.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that the Jaguars are going to
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  Speaker 2: fall into the trap. I'm just saying that the circumstances
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  Speaker 2: are setting up like a trap game.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 5: When you look at their inconsistency on both sides of
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  Speaker 5: the ball, actually, right now, very rarely do you see
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  Speaker 5: a Philadelphia team that's in the bottom half of most
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  Speaker 5: statistics on offense and defense in the league. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: that doesn't happen. They've got injuries on defense, too.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 5: So all this going on right now, it paints a
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  Speaker 5: picture of, ooh, well, it's about us. Focus in and
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  Speaker 5: eliminate the trap possibility with great focus in this game.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to get there today. But in 33
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  Speaker 1: years of doing this, I'm not sure I've seen one
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  Speaker 1: team with as much chaos as around them. Now, maybe
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  Speaker 1: they're fine in their meeting rooms, but when you look
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  Speaker 1: at that, you think, man, that's a lot to deal with.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of unknowns, a lot of unknowns, health-wise especially.
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  Speaker 2: You know what adds to the chaos?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 2: No, but I'm... It's Philadelphia, man. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're getting killed. Sports radio, WIP and that crew.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, Philadelphia might be one of the harshest
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  Speaker 2: markets in all of football.
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  Speaker 1: Might be?
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  Speaker 2: Right up there with, you know, the New York teams.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But they pride themselves on being harsher.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you have.
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  Speaker 3: They throw batteries at Santa Claus.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Snowballs. Go back to the day. They had a
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  Speaker 2: jail in the stadium back in the day. I mean, that's...
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of how that is. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: that adds a little bit to it. Maybe overblows it
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. It gets overblown maybe a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But the reality is that they had like a 10-point
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  Speaker 2: lead against the Los Angeles Rams and were on their
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  Speaker 2: way to winning. And then they screwed it up.
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  Speaker 1: Two touchdowns allowed in the last five minutes, right?
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  Speaker 5: Screwed it up.
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  Speaker 1: Two 10-play drives.
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  Speaker 2: The coach, I mean... I don't understand some of the
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  Speaker 2: decision-making that Sirianni has. He's got a game, and I
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  Speaker 2: think you've got to understand the flow of a game, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Your offense is not playing worth poo, right? Okay? You've
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  Speaker 2: got injuries across the board. And you're sitting there going
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  Speaker 2: for it on fourth down from your own side of
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  Speaker 2: the 50. What are you doing? And then you're going
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  Speaker 2: for it when you're down in the tight red area.
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  Speaker 2: When you've got a 10-point lead, take the points. What
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  Speaker 2: are you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean, we were talking about that. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: they were really two yards from winning that game. And
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  Speaker 5: with all the offensive issues, defensive issues, injuries, again, this
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  Speaker 5: is still a team that's a pretty darn good.
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  Speaker 1: Team and knows how to win.
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  Speaker 5: But, again, there's some– There's some questions in what they're
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  Speaker 5: doing after halftime, et cetera, a lot of things.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is the first of our three big things
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  Speaker 1: here to kick off Jags Happy Hour on 1010XL, 92.5 FM,
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  Speaker 1: and all the Jaguars social media channels. And it is
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  Speaker 1: Fast delivery. Messy was how I termed it. It's messy
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  Speaker 1: right now. One other thing that's messy, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, but it was in Cincinnati, is the penalty situation.
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  Speaker 1: And we've been talking about it. And listen, it's not
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  Speaker 1: just in Jacksonville. Whether you know it or not, penalties
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  Speaker 1: around the league, logs, are way up. Most offensive penalties
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  Speaker 1: since the year 2000. That's insane. Now, also, 17, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: 17 touchdowns have been called back by penalty through four games.
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  Speaker 1: Last year was five. Two years ago, it was four.
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  Speaker 1: This year, 17. Please make sense of it for me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that the one thing about the officiating
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  Speaker 2: in that game is that it was equally poor for
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  Speaker 2: both teams. I think it kind of balanced out.
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  Speaker 3: Later in the game, not early on.
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  Speaker 2: No, not early on, that was for sure, but later
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  Speaker 2: on it kind of balanced out. I mean, some bad calls,
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  Speaker 2: for example, like the mystery hold on the first kick
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  Speaker 2: return on Quentin Morris was a total garbage call. The
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  Speaker 2: hold on Ezra Cleveland, he didn't hold, but Okay, Anton
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  Speaker 2: Harrison did on that play, so I guess you could
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  Speaker 2: say that kind of balances out. The defensive pass interference
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  Speaker 2: call against Josh Cameron, the rookie, that wasn't pass interference
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  Speaker 2: against the Cincinnati Bengal guy on that one. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there were some good plays for the Jaguars that they
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  Speaker 2: benefited from that were questionable calls, and then there were
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  Speaker 2: some kind of the same situation flip side for the Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: Tony Buscelli said earlier today that his study had shown
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  Speaker 1: that the first four weeks of a season, penalties are
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  Speaker 1: up because the referees are settling into it too. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't get the sense that this is going backwards.
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  Speaker 1: Is it going to stay level, or do you think
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  Speaker 1: that maybe there will be some sanity, some conversations between
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  Speaker 1: the league and its officials?
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  Speaker 5: Based on a lot of the stats you just talked about,
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  Speaker 5: it really hit kind of a crescendo this past weekend.
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  Speaker 5: I think they're going to look at it real closely.
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  Speaker 5: and try to make sure that it's not out of
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  Speaker 5: control in terms of flags all over the field. Let
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  Speaker 5: the guys play, not at the detriment of the game
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  Speaker 5: or health, but I kind of think it might taper back,
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  Speaker 5: but we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: What brings even more attention to the officiating, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: it hit home with us. Going to the game, the
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars had 15 penalties as a team. leased in the
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  Speaker 2: National Football League and then they go into a game
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you've got 13. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute. Something doesn't quite go together. Well, then
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  Speaker 2: you also have the suspension this week of two officials
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  Speaker 2: from this past weekend's games. And so you put all
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  Speaker 2: that together and I think it puts even more attention
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  Speaker 2: on the officiating and the two officials that were suspended
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  Speaker 2: looking at their actions is like, what are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't have that kind of attitude and.
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  Speaker 1: And they won't this week.
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  Speaker 2: I hope that the suspension includes loss of pay. Because
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  Speaker 2: the reality is that when a player is suspended, he
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  Speaker 2: loses pay. And so they had better make sure that
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  Speaker 2: things are equal. If you're going to have a level
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  Speaker 2: of accountability, it needs to be all the way around.
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  Speaker 1: So now one thing that I think I saw... with
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  Speaker 1: the officials on the practice field, right? I think I
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  Speaker 1: saw more attention to the little things on the practice
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  Speaker 1: field today. So what I guess I'm getting at is
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  Speaker 1: that the Jaguars have to deal with this new environment.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if there are going to be more flags,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to change that. The league office may
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  Speaker 1: get involved, but for Sunday's game, you have to go
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  Speaker 1: in assuming that you've got to be better in every
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  Speaker 1: single category because they're not going to necessarily be different.
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  Speaker 3: No, they're not likely to back off.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why it's brilliant to have the officials like
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  Speaker 5: they have here in Jacksonville at every practice because every situation,
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  Speaker 5: especially when a flag occurs, is a learning situation that
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  Speaker 5: you don't want to repeat. And so, again, all those
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  Speaker 5: things can add up to where you beat yourselves. We
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  Speaker 5: sure don't want to do that. So that's why I
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  Speaker 5: think it's a great thing.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder, you know, does Liam have a conversation with
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  Speaker 2: the officials before practice and say, hey, look, Let's throw
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of BS flags today, okay, just to see
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  Speaker 2: how we react. I mean, right? I mean, if you're
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  Speaker 2: going to get ready for a game, why wouldn't you
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  Speaker 2: prepare from that aspect as well? I mean, just to
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  Speaker 2: see how your players respond to make sure that they're
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  Speaker 2: responding in the right way.
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  Speaker 5: I like how you think, and that's excellent, and I
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  Speaker 5: suspect that Coach probably has gone across that, but I
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  Speaker 5: think that's well thought out.
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  Speaker 1: All right, the second big thing that I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: thread through this show today is the AAA mantra, right? Anyone, anytime, anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: When the schedule came out, you saw the Eagles and
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  Speaker 1: Texans in back-to-back weeks. In London, you went, whoa, okay.
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  Speaker 1: The league is challenging this team right now, and they
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  Speaker 1: like to do that with the schedule. They like to
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  Speaker 1: stack things. All right, you guys were good last year.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see how good. And so you get the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: in Texas. Now, it just so happens you have an
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  Speaker 1: Eagles team, and we can certainly talk about the trap possibilities,
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  Speaker 1: but they're depleted. And you've got a Texans team that's talented,
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  Speaker 1: but they're 0-4, and things haven't gone their way so
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  Speaker 1: far this year. Any when, anywhere, anytime. How about London
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  Speaker 1: for two, fellas?
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me go back to where that phrase kind
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  Speaker 2: of was first spoken, which was the very first day
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  Speaker 2: of training camp when Liam met his football team. This,
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  Speaker 2: I think, is what makes Liam Cohn so special in
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  Speaker 2: that he does a great job of messaging and hitting
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  Speaker 2: on the most important points that you can find in leadership.
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  Speaker 2: And with this football team, with the schedule as it was,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of coaches wouldn't even have thought of that
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  Speaker 2: from the standpoint of, hey, look, I'm trying to prepare
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  Speaker 2: them with a mindset. He had that from the very
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  Speaker 2: first day. Those were the first words that he spoke
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  Speaker 2: to his team. That was the first overhead projector. Do
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  Speaker 2: they use them anymore?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They don't use overhead projectors anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Generally, it's on the computer now.
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  Speaker 2: It used to be microfiche and overhead projectors, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, they don't use that anymore. But it was the
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  Speaker 2: first thing that was up on the board. The screen
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  Speaker 2: for this football team was those three words.
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  Speaker 5: And I'll dovetail this. He's taught them to understand control
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  Speaker 5: what we can control. It's about us. It's about our technique,
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  Speaker 5: our fundamentals. It's about our effort. It's about our finish.
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  Speaker 3: All those things.
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  Speaker 6: Brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: Our brand of football. How many times have we heard
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  Speaker 2: that phrase uttered from Liam Cohen and the players in
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  Speaker 2: the locker room?
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  Speaker 1: Along with the term play style. It has been everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: That's leadership. That's messaging.
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  Speaker 5: Well, those are active words. Those aren't multiple words or minutiae,
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  Speaker 5: if you will, right now. They're Believable, confident, designed words.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, that brings us back to the
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  Speaker 1: idea of trap game. Because you know that Liam Cohen
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  Speaker 1: is banging that drum in his meeting room, on his
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  Speaker 1: practice field, on his plane on the way over, in
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  Speaker 1: his hotel before the game. I mean, he's not about
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  Speaker 1: to let these guys go to sleep on this thing.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think that he's probably not using the term
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  Speaker 2: trap game. But what he's preaching to his team, which
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  Speaker 2: we saw... After the game, we saw prior to last
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  Speaker 2: week's game, hey, it's about us. It's about what we do.
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  Speaker 2: That's what helps you avoid a trap scenario and having
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  Speaker 2: a bad performance. And, look, the reality is that the
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles still played pretty good football last week. And
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  Speaker 2: so that's not a hard point to kind of have–
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  Speaker 2: to back what you're telling them. Hey, look, let's look
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  Speaker 2: at this game. They were winning until the end. So
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  Speaker 2: there's some evidence that also backs what you're saying and
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  Speaker 2: to keep the player mindset away from that term trap.
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  Speaker 5: Well, then he's already addressed them on this trip coming
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  Speaker 5: up right now, that this is a business trip. Whatever
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  Speaker 5: distracts you, whatever causes you to get out of sync,
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  Speaker 5: let's identify it. Let's get ahead of that. He's already
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  Speaker 5: brought that to their attention right now. So again, handle
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  Speaker 5: the environment, handle the trip, 60 minutes of ball between
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  Speaker 5: the stripes.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go get them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's listen to Liam because that's the third big thing,
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  Speaker 1: and that is focus. They went over there last year,
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  Speaker 1: and they learned some things. What did they learn? How
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  Speaker 1: are they going about it? He talked earlier today to
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  Speaker 1: the media about focus.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, we got to have mental toughness to prepare ourselves
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  Speaker 6: throughout this week and also have a professionalism to us
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  Speaker 6: that understands that this is a business trip. We're going
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  Speaker 6: out there to play. football games. And, you know, it's
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  Speaker 6: something you have to do, right? Like anytime you get
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  Speaker 6: outside of your normal rhythm and routine and environment, something
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  Speaker 6: is going to happen to you. Like something will tweak something.
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  Speaker 6: It's natural for every human being. And so what I
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  Speaker 6: challenge them with is to identify what it is for
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  Speaker 6: you that can occur, right? When you step out of
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  Speaker 6: your environment and routine and and to think about it
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  Speaker 6: and to get ahead of it.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like he has a game plan for this, just
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  Speaker 1: like he does for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's one of the most thorough, well-prepared coaches.
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  Speaker 2: When you talk about leadership, leadership is being able to
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  Speaker 2: get people to do things at a very high level.
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  Speaker 2: And in order to accomplish that, you have to have
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  Speaker 2: the mindset established with players, coaches, staff, And Liam just
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  Speaker 2: does such a great job of being very aware from
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  Speaker 2: his staff to his players to the situational awareness, game management.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just– I think, you know, you sit
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  Speaker 2: back and you think about how you always as an
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  Speaker 2: organization want to find a quarterback, you know, which is
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  Speaker 2: always at the top of the food chart, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when he's talking about winning football games. And then the
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  Speaker 2: next one is, you know, we want to find a
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  Speaker 2: coach to pair with that quarterback that you can find.
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  Speaker 2: And this organization right now has what I think is
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  Speaker 2: as good a coach-quarterback combination as you can have.
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  Speaker 5: And a good staff to go along with it right now.
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  Speaker 5: He sees the big picture, and he's able to connect
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  Speaker 5: that with his players and his coaches right now. They
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  Speaker 5: understand it, and he makes it understandable. He makes it reasonable.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: The whole organization feels connected.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, from Tony through James and their departments.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Both supporting the coach and his staff and their players.
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  Speaker 5: I see the level of communication and things that happen
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  Speaker 5: here across the board at a high, high level, whether
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  Speaker 5: it's equipment, whether it's training staff, whether it's everything. Everybody's
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  Speaker 5: on the same page going the same direction.
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  Speaker 1: All right. You are listening to Jags Happy Hour here
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  Speaker 1: on a Thursday. Yeah, Thursday afternoon, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm all confused.
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  Speaker 3: It can happen.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, that's London week. We're back in the Hyundai studios
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  Speaker 1: right after this. Rolling right along here. Thursday evening, Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: happy hour, following it at 5 o'clock with Tony Braselli
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  Speaker 1: and James Gladstone for Jags HQ. It's defense time, and
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about defense brought to you by GEHA,
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  Speaker 1: Government Employees Health Association. And congratulations to Foye Aluokun, who
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  Speaker 1: is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week, in large
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  Speaker 1: part because of his amazing play in the red zone.
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  Speaker 1: setting up the Jaguars for their victory in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 5: Preparation wins. I mean, here he had prepared for the
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  Speaker 5: routes that he saw down in the red zone area.
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  Speaker 5: He was aided by the rush of Eric Armstead, who
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: showed up in a more productive fashion.
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  Speaker 3: And, geez, did we need that play? And catch the
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  Speaker 3: ones that are thrown to you.
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  Speaker 1: 39 takeaways, Logs. 39 since opening day 2025 with Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Campanile debuted this defense. It's... Nine straight games with an interception,
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  Speaker 1: the most in the league right now. 13 games with
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  Speaker 1: at least two takeaways, the most over that time span.
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  Speaker 1: They're averaging just under two takeaways a game, which is
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  Speaker 1: almost four times what they had in 2024.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the biggest question marks that I think
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  Speaker 2: we had coming into the season was could the defense
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  Speaker 2: replicate those kind of numbers? Because it's just not easy
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: to do that. And they've been able to do that.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, this year, eight takeaways, 38 points off of that.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's on pace to actually exceed what they
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: did last year, which last year's numbers were fantastic.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: 31, the second most in franchise history.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Fantastic. I mean, so you've got to love that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Lead the league in interceptions with six right now. Lead
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: the NFL. And, again, as Jeff said, it's hard to
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: do that year after year. But this team and these
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: coaches and players have been dipped in the baptismal font
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: of takeaways.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: They get it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: They want it.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Go preach, brother.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Hallelujah.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: So I wonder if Deacon Duffner over there, you think
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Foye is going to take Rayon Lane out to dinner maybe?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I hope so.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Celebrate that sounds like you think he should i think
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: so tell us why well i'm gonna try to do
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: my best and then i'm gonna see if i'm accurate
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: because there's a linebacker's coach next to me here that
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: knows a lot more about this particular play than i
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: do you're setting this up so on the the fourth
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: down play the last defensive play of the game for
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: the jaguars okay not last play of the game On
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: the particular play, Foye has to cover Chase Brown out
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: of the backfield. Chase Brown comes and releases and comes
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: up the field. And as a linebacker, if you've got
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: man coverage on a running back, the first thing you
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: want to do is try to restrict the angles of
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: the running back. And that means moving forward and then
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: your body to be positioned on the inside so you
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: take away what is considered the angle route, which is
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: the inside move. And then if the running back decides
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: to break out, then you just continue on and get
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: in his hip pocket. And Foye did not attack to
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: cut the angle down. He kind of drifted and then
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: lunged guest to the outside on the wheel rock, got
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: beat to the inside, and Ray Alain was there to
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: save the day.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: And is that pretty accurate?
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: I'd say that's an excellent description. Again, you've got to
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: know where your help is. You've got to determine... leverage
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: on that guy inside or outside as jeff aptly described
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: right there and then you've got to play with hot
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: feet as far as that's concerned the worst thing you
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: can do is be soft and give this guy the
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: running back a two-way go because it's over tough.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: To come and he gave him a two-way go and
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: rayon i guess for lack of a better term and
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: meant to make it clean saved his bacon.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: He saved our bacon, yeah. No, he saved our bacon.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: And he became a hero.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Totally became a hero.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: So maybe what Foye was doing was setting up the
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: youngster to be the hero.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe, right? Maybe. Kind of like Trevor taking a knee
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to allow facial tootin' to score a touchdown, right? Touche,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: my friend.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Touche.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: You win.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: And speaking of Ray Lane, how good did he play?
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, here's a guy that's been a special teams ace.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: This is one of the best special teams evaluators going
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: in Jeff Logman. But, I mean, this guy comes in,
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: has to play for us right now, has seven tackles,
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: has that big play on fourth and ten. I mean,
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: and a game tackle. Again, coaching matters. He did an
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: excellent job of preparation. The coaching staff did a great
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: job of preparing him. and then adjusting the game plan
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: to play to his strengths.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: So talk to me about the safety position, because Eric
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Murray took a big shot, left the game with a concussion,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: is in the protocol, and obviously didn't practice today. So
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: that's a big question mark. And Caleb Ransaw is on
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: injured reserve after an injury that he suffered in Cincinnati
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: on Sunday.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: First punt team coverage, Caleb Ransaw went down. Like, ugh.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: grabbed something something pulled.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Up and by the way you've been talking about him
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: i had the opportunity last week to talk to heath
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: farwell before the game about him and he he was
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: singing his praises the type of of gunner he is
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: so now you've got a rookie in jalen husky who
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: steps in what are you doing with this position on
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: sunday antonio johnson obviously is a stalwart i'm assuming rayon
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: lane is going to start at the other spot but
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: he's your special teams.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Ace well yes and uh And I think he'll just
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: have to pull double duty a little bit. I mean,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the reality is that you're also going to get reps
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: to Jalen Husky. You're also going to have some reps there,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: hopefully have Monteric Brown back maybe. And so he's just
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: going to have to pull double duty. Sometimes you have
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to do that. Antonio Johnson in his past game, when
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Kent Ransall went down, Antonio Johnson had to pull double duty.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And he takes every snap on defense. While he went
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: out there– to a position that he has been incredibly
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: good at, especially earlier in his career as the gunner,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: and he did a very good job. So suck it up.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Suck it up. Sometimes you've got to do double duty.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, we were talking about the Eagles, and nobody cares, right?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: They can't worry about their injuries. Every team in the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: league is talking about the injuries that they have, and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: nobody cares. The Jaguars have two safeties on the practice squad,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Cameron Silman Craig and Kayvon Merriweather. And I would assume
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: one of them could be pulled up on the standard elevation.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very well could be. I mean, the way that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Eric Murray went out of that game, I'd be shocked
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: if he's available to play this week. It's just you
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: don't see that very often where a guy is noticeably woozy, wobbly,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it in a game, and
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: then playing the next week. It's not a good optic
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: for the league. know and i think the league in
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of cases would just step into this and
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: say no no no no no no.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And that's the first consideration and i think the secondary
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: consideration would be he's a pretty important player to what
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: you do and how you operate and you've got a
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: divisional rival the next week if you've got a chance
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to give him time to get ready for that game
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it might make sense to give him more time.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah player safety will take the priority here as you
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: both have said as far as that's concerned and the
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: other point you just made makes sense and And a
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: lot of teams are facing these situations at other positions
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: or at this same position. And that's what, again, good coaching.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: And this staff does it in terms of preparation, playing
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: to the strengths of the player.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: And one of my favorite points of the week is
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: when Loggie walks in here on Monday with your film
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: room stuff, right? And is that an iPad.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: That you use?
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: iPad and a Surface. I have both. You have both.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: All right. So you walk in with both. And you've
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: got your plays. And this week, Duff, he said something. Now,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: he throws compliments around. Maybe it's just me. Like manhole covers, right?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I think he said one nice thing about me my
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: whole life.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: But he was talking about Travis Hunter.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: That's not true.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: No, I'm totally teasing you. Totally teasing you. But you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: are not one to throw the term all pro around.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And you said that what you saw from Travis Hunter
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: was all pro characteristics, traits, performance. What did you see?
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Why should people who are listening to this be excited
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: about what he has to bring?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: First of all, the level of play has to be
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: at the top of the food chain to be considered
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: all pro. I mean, that's elite. Like one of the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: best three, four corners in the league. That's all pro, right?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And the level of play that he had, Travis displayed
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: sticky coverage, awareness, and ball skills, a physicality. He covered
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: all the bases that you want to have in a
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: defensive back. And he had probably one mistake. And that
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: was the second and 10 at the end of the
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: ball game when the Bengals were trying to go up
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and win the ball game. Travis kind of lost Gasicki
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the tight end a little bit. And fortunately, Joe Burrow
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: was throwing a different kind of a route than what
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Gasicki was running. So it did end up costing the Jaguars,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: but the double move on the third and 10 that
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Travis Hunter was right in the hip pocket and just
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: jumps up and it was ridiculous. And most young corners
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: on a double move like that. are going to lose
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: it maybe for a little bit, and then they close
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the gap. He never lost his spacing of being like
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: a holster on the hip. I mean, it was just ridiculous.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: And then the physical play that he came up and
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: made that hit.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the sideline.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: That was actually.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Travis was a cover to safety in a rolled coverage,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: so they feel confident in doing that with him, and
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: he comes up in a physical fashion. And, of course,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the highlight of the day was the play that didn't
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: even count.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: We're watching it right now.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Which he should have been flagged for pass interference because
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: of the separation that he did with the double. Arm
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: extension on T. Higgins.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they gave him the grace because that wicked
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: little move.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: That he made. And here's the reality. The reality is
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: that if you're a great player, you're going to get
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: the grace on some of those calls. And because T.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Higgins didn't have this... act like oh my god i
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: got pushed the official ended up not calling it but
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: then the break the ankle move and the.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Look back oh the look back was dirty you know
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: i mean it's just.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Uh it's gonna be one of those highlights that they
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: freeze and then they show a skull right on the look.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah no i'll tell you fun stuff who does
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: that yeah well you talk about fun to watch this
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: guy and he has jeff saying he's getting better and
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: better at technique at getting better but You could see
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: the enthusiasm and confidence in his play. He was wanting
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: the ball. You know, come on, run at me. I mean,
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: third game in a row with four tackles or more.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, physicality, production, confidence, four catches for 28 yards overall.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And let me just say this. I love his celebrations
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: because he's got good little dance moves and all that
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff, but it's not over the top. No.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: You know, so I appreciate him, and I appreciate the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: fun that he injects into the game without sitting there,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I want to be the show, it's always about me,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: look at me, look at me, look at me, look
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: at me. I mean, you look at him because he's
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a great player first. And then you watch the celebration,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and you go, that was pretty sweet.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he demonstrates fun and enthusiasm and confidence.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: All right, let's finish this with a thought on Jarrion Jones.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Jags could, by the way, get Monteric Brown back. We'll
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: see what the week holds for him. But Jarrion Jones.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I found this fascinating. Fifth most targets, right? And of course,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: as you said, Duff, watch that number spike.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Right? Because when you've got a guy like Travis Hunter
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: on one side, he's going to dictate where you go
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: with the ball.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: You're saying fifth most targets in the national football. Yes.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Well, make sure you want to clarify that.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So he's got the fifth most targets. However, he has,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and this is for stat nerds, which I am becoming,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: he has the fifth best EPA per pass attempt against.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: It's a minus number and a minus number for an EPA,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: which stands for expected points added. They're actually losing a
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: third of a percentage point. of an opportunity to score
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: every time they throw at him. That's a good number, Logs.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: It's a really good number.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: It's a really, really good number. So the passer rating
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: against him is 68.7. The completion rate against him is 54.8,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: which all backs up that EPA number.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: What's the passer rating against him?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: 68.7.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: 68.7?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: That's winning football. That's winning.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: So I guess the point is that I wanted to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: make was Jarrion Jones may be the fifth most targeted
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: cornerback in the NFL. However, he is making guys pay
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: for it. He's playing great football.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? He had a pass broken up
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: in the game. He had, I think, seven tackles again.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Because of positioning, what they were doing with Travis going
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: to the field all the time, he was oftentimes drawing T.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Higgins in terms of coverage because T's an X receiver
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: in the boundary, and he responded in a very productive way.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: The pass breakup that he had, You go to the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: same drive that Travis had that pass breakup on third
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and ten. The play before that, the second and ten,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: was the pass breakup by Jarrion Jones. So, I mean,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: back-to-back excellent plays by the corners. Now here's the question
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: that I have because this is not my area of
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: expertise and this is a question for you, Duff. They're
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: playing Travis Hunter to the field. So when the ball's
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: on the hash, Jarrion's to the short side of the field,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Travis is to the wide side of the field. And
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I got an idea, but I want to get your
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: thoughts on this. Why would you play Travis and have
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: him flip to the wide side of the field schematically?
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Well, I think, first of all, because of his recoverability.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: His athletic skills, first and foremost. He's got great recoverability.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: I think that putting him in a spot like that
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: and not making his world a known world all the
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: time versus, oh, I might have to run.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I'm have to do that.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: So I think you actually make it easier for him
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: when you give him that spatial area to cover.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Does the flexibility of having him roll... also factor into that?
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Okay. For sure. No, that's the big time flexibility.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Because it's just interesting to me because, you know, a
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: lot of times you see corners that, you know, one's left,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: one's right, and then sometimes guys will travel if it's man.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: But it's not very often that you see corners that
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: one's short side, one's wide side.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, and I think that's really smart because, again,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: they gave him a determined pregame thought in terms of
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: where to cover, what he might see out there.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: And did the same thing with Jarrion, and look at
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: the production.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: And I think it also, it's a credit to Jarrion too,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: because a lot of corners are like defensive ends and
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: offensive linemen.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: They like a certain side.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a comfort level on one side or
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the other, and so if you have two guys that
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: are able to do Each side, I mean, that's actually
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: to your benefit, I think, in a lot of ways.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: We need a break. Let's take it now. We'll come
• 30:42
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• 30:45
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• 30:50
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars secondary. Let's stick with the theme and talk about
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: how they can make Jalen Hurts really uncomfortable on Sunday.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: He has things that he likes to do, but he
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the tools that he normally has to do
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: what he likes to do. It would seem like there's
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: an opportunity here.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: There's a couple things that he has, I think, distinct
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: tells about. He does not like to throw the ball
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: between the hashes. Now, that doesn't mean we give that
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: up to him as far as that's concerned. But when
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: you watch where is he throwing the ball, he's not
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: throwing between the hatches. And when he wants to throw
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: the go ball or deep ball, it's to his right
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: to our left. I mean, he's got a strong tendency
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: and tell as far as that's concerned. So it's still
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: going to come back to sticky coverage, rushing coverage, working
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: together in terms of the pass attack and what we're
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: going to do against him. Keep in mind, too, I
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: suspect he may– attempt to run it a little bit
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: more in this game because of their running game being
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: a little bit off perhaps with Barkley out and Bigby out.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: But he's not running like he used to as far
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: as that's concerned, but that's always going to be a
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: challenge to our front.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't have the, I guess, the reckless abandon
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: that he used to have. When he's got a defender
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: that's in the hood, he's more than willing to get
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: down with, what's the right word? With plenty of time
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: so that there is no risk. Which, you know, I mean, look,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: we all have to make business decisions. But he's definitely
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: making some business decisions there.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: But he likes to work from the shotgun.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: And the reality is.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Quarterbacks are paid to win on third down and score
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: points and win football games. And right now his third
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: down percentage is not very good. He hasn't converted a
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: third down. In the last 17 attempts, he was 0-4
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: against the Rams prior five, week before. Didn't convert any
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: of them. And so right now he's not playing very well.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: 0-4, 17.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: There is a, you know, look, I don't know if
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you guys.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I think, look, I think he's a quarterback that was
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the perfect fit for where the Eagles were at when
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: they won the Super Bowl. Dominant football team, dominant offensive line,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: dominant running game. And now that some of that stuff
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: is disappearing, it puts more pressure on that position, and
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that's not something that he is comfortable with as far
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: as roles go.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, shoot, he comes out, and like Jeff
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: just said, they had 62, their second half play, their
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: adjustment at halftime is involving him too. I mean, they
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: had 62 total yards in the second half against Chicago,
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: 72 against.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: The Rams, and as far as scoring, they're struggling.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: The last two games, 31 points for the opponent and
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: zero for them. So, again, he is responding a little
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: bit to the pressure of all the things you just
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: talked about right now. And, again, pressure has bothered him.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: The Rams pressured him more than they did anybody all
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: season long.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: He was 5 of 16.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: At 60%.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: How many offensive coordinators has he been through?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Well, Sean Mannion's new. I would say this is his fourth.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: My only statement, I would say, I know Mannion's new
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: this year, and they're struggling with that.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Well, and Mannion's new this year. Yeah. And Kellen Moore
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: was gone last year. I forget who they had last year, right?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: He left, yes.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Every gentleman, he left.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: So you had Kellen Moore in 24 when they won
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. You had someone last year. Now you
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: have Mannion. And Moore was only there for one year,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: so maybe he's had five.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: No, Kellen Moore has gotten out at just the right time. Because,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, you keep changing offensive coordinators. At some point
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: you've got to say, well, maybe it's not the coordinator.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's all on him. I mean, look,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: when you have your dominant right tackle that retires unexpectedly
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: and then you get a significant amount of injuries like
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: they have had across the board, I mean, that's not
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: very easy to overcome. And, you know, the Lane Johnson thing,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: by the way, have you seen the numbers that The
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: team is with and without him. Lane Johnson? No. I'm
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: going to give it to you. So with Lane Johnson,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: they win when he's in the lineup. They win 65.9%
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: of the games. When he's not in the lineup, they
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: win 38.3%. Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: To put that in real numbers, 15 and 29 without him.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: 15 wins, 29 losses without him. Just back your stats. percentage-wise,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: 98 wins, 42.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Losses with him.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: So as Jeff's saying, golly, what an impact he's had.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Well, so here's your offensive line to protect the quarterback
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: who isn't playing well. You obviously have Jordan Malita, who's
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a very talented player, right?
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Mylotta.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Mylotta, sorry.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: He's a stud.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: No, he is a stud.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: And here's the great thing about him. I remember the
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: first time I ever walked on the field and I
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: saw him.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, and I've there's very few guys in the NFL
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: that have ever had that impression on me. I would
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: say John Ogden was one of them. The second one
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: was Cam Newton just because he was a quarterback. And
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my God. And then Jordan Mailata
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: was in a completely different universe. I mean, he's a
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: lot of guys are kind of like, you know, They're
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: puffed up.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: You know? Yeah. This guy? Yeah. He's like a human.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: version that's like 4.0.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Well it reminds me of that rapper's song by black
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: rob called whoa like whoa that came out in a
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: late wait a minute that's.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: A lot you don't want to.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Know i just want to tell you right now it's
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: a whoa and that song that song brought that right
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: to my mind because let me google that he knows
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: the song he was singing as we walked out last
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: week he's been wanting to use that line for a couple.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Of weeks well I have. Absolutely. You set me up
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: for that. 73 years old.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows rap better than him.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Mylotta. I got to write this down. Willie Lampkin.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Check it out.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Black Rob War.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Willie Lampkin. 5'11, 290. Will be the starting left guard.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Drew Kendall is the guy who replaced Cam Juergens at center.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Tyler Steen is the right guard. And in the absence of...
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the great lane johnson they will play with a rookie
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: third round pick markel bell so we talked last week
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: about how big the two tackles in cincinnati were these
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: guys might be bigger because markel bell is 6 9 350.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: 36 inch arms and if you watch the 36 inch
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: arms six foot nine like he just said i mean
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: a giant now Watching the game against the Rams, he's
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: a run blocker now.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: You'll like that part. I'm sure you've saw it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, he pancaked two guys in the game, but
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: struggled mightily in pass protection, both against Blitz. And then
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: when the Rams deployed two-man and three-man rush stunts, he
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: had trouble passing it off, much like a young rookie
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: would have. So kind of gave us a little bit
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: of what his strengths and weaknesses are.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: The mystery to me, though, is that– They had Cam
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Juergens playing guard. Yeah. Okay.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Two-time Pro Bowl center.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: He's a two-time Pro Bowl center.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Landon Dickerson goes out, move the Pro Bowl center to guard.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, then find another guard. Don't take a Pro Bowl
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: center and move him to guard and put a slappy
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: in there at center. What are you doing?
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to throw this out to you, and
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know what went down up there. But Jeff
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: Stoutland had been their offensive line coach, and I've known
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: him for.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: A long time.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: One of the best ever. Where is he at now?
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: He's out.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: To my knowledge. Long time collegiate coach at Syracuse. Great
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: line coach. Been a great coach for them. Whatever happened
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know but they miss him right now in
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: my opinion.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: All right, we got a break. We need to take
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Jags and Eagles. Comes your way 9.32 a.m. kickoff on Sunday.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: For those of you here in Jacksonville, for those of
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: us in London, that's a 2.32 kickoff. We'll take a
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: break and come back. But before we go, I will
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: tell you that the health report, the injury report, every
• 39:57
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• 39:59
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• 40:02
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• 40:07
  Speaker 1: after this. Hey, I just wanted to follow up on
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator list for Jalen Hurts. If 2021 is
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: when we're saying that he became the starter, he got
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: into the lineup at the end of 2020. He's had,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: in the six seasons that he's been the quarterback, he
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: has had five different offensive coordinators. Shane Steichen was there
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: for two years. He's the only guy that was there
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: multiple seasons. Then Brian Johnson in 23, Kellen Moore in 24,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: obviously the most successful season in Eagles history. Then Kevin
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Petullo last year.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: And then Sean Mannion this year, and they brought Mannion
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: in to bring sort of the Shanahan-McVay concepts to the offense.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: But so far, not a lot of luck.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: No. And I just think it's interesting. When you have
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: a great quarterback, and a couple of them did leave
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: in this instance for what I'm going to talk about.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: When you've got a great quarterback, offensive coordinators typically don't
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: leave unless they're getting head jobs. Steichen did.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: He got the coolest job.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Kellen Moore did. But then all of a sudden you–
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: have some other departures, and you sit there and you go,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: what's going on there, right? But it's always seemed like
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: there's been a little bit of, what's the right word,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: dysfunction sometimes with that organization, just from the standpoint of
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: they've been incredibly good. But a lot of times when
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: you're incredibly good, There's a level of consistency because you
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: look at, like, Andy Reid and the Kansas City Chiefs,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and they're like the model of consistency. But under the
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: head coach in Philadelphia, that really is not the case.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of odd.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: But at least it's in Philadelphia where people are so
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: kind and patient.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Brotherly love. City of brotherly love.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, let's play word association. I say Vic Fangio. You
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: say what?
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Great coordinator. Hall of Fame coordinator.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Same. Real fine coach. Good fundamentalist.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Well thought out game plan. You're going to get his best.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: He's kind of a matchup zone guy, right?
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: He's not afraid to utilize simulated pressures, fire zones, too.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: You're going to get good ball from him. He's a
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: very good coach right now where this defense still hadn't
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: quite responded at that level that he's generally put out there.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Doesn't it look like they have the same pressure package
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that they've had in recent years?
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Struggling to get to the quarterback.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Well, what do they have on the edges, right? Yeah.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, the two big guys in the middle.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, 6'6, 360.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Let me test the wind direction to see if they're
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: going to play every snap hard. There you go. Okay,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: that's the one thing, criticism that you have about those
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: two guys in the middle.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter's the other.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: And that's probably being nice. We're kind of underachieving right now.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Where's the edge players at? I'll give you an example.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I was looking at this number, and I went, I'm
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: not surprised on that because I haven't dove into the
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: film yet, and I will today. Jalen Carter, right? Do
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: we not consider him one of the beasts of football?
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: He is the highest paid interior defensive.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Lineman in football. Making what?
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: $ 38 million.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Okay. And what would you expect– uh pff rating to
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: be of a guy that's the highest paid at his position.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: You know i don't know okay i haven't got into
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the pff ratings.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: All right so like for example ventro miller's the 90s one.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Of the top five he should at least be a
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: 90 right.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: He should be somewhere i'd say high 80s yeah 80s
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: right yeah uh how about 51.6 yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: Now, he is playing with a wrist. He's got a
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: wrist and a club right now. But interior, that doesn't
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: affect you as much. When you're 6'3 and 320 pounds.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: You can do about what you show. It's not so
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: much about the wrist.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I'm with you on that.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: How about Jordan Davis? He's the guy that paid at
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the end of last year. He had a terrific.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: He's more consistent, I think, as far as the effort stuff.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: And his PFF rating reflects that number. But he's like
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the big immovable force. And when he wants to, he
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: can bring a pass rush that you're not going to stop.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: But it's just not there all the time. You know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and that's kind of, put it this way. If you have,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: like Dexter Lawrence last week, okay, Dexter Lawrence had that
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: same issue when he was with the Giants. Okay, sometimes
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: he didn't want to play. Correct.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: But when he.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Wants to play, he is one of the most dominant
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: players in the league. Same thing with these two guys.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: And a lot of times if you frustrate them early,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: then the effort has a tendency to kind of stay
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: by the wayside. So you hope you have a little
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: bit of that.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: So what can Vic Fangio count on? I mean, if
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: the front seven, and I get Zach Bonds.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: The back end of that defense, I think, is a
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: little nicked. But, yeah. Quinion Mitchell, when he's healthy, is
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: a stud. Excellent player. Cooper DeGene is a stud when
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: he's healthy.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Reek Woolen, who they acquired from the Seattle Seahawks, is
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: a very good player that's got great length. The safety
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: position is a little bit of a question mark, you know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: but at the corner position, those guys, really good.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: No, no, that's exactly right.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, they talk about Quinion Mitchell like– best in
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: the league, you know, and probably their best defensive player
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: with all the guys we just talked about. They're rotating
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: guys at safety, but they're pleased most recently with Makuba
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: and what the play he's had there. Epps has been hurt.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: We don't know if he'll show up in our game,
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: but I agree with what the.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Coach is just saying.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: The numbers on them, too. Here's a couple you'll kind
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: of be surprised about, right? When you got, you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Vic Fangio defense. The only two
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: takeaways they've gotten on the season were the two interceptions
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: that they had last week against the Rams, and they
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: weren't very good throws by Matthew Stafford at all. They
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: only have four sacks, which is second fewest in the
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: National Football League. The two takeaways are tied for dead
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: last in the National Football League. That's not really the
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: numbers that you would expect out of what many people
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: view as one of the most talented personnel defenses-wise in
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the league.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Well, shoot, you know, the game against Chicago, where they
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: play against Case Keenum, and no disrespect to him, but
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: a third-team quarterback, and he comes out and throws for
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: 375 yards.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: That was eye-opening. And I thought.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: That this defense would respond after that, especially being coached
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: by Fangio and with the players they got.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: And, you know, we'll see.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: But, I mean, Vaughn will be back most likely, a
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: linebacker that can really run, although this trotter that came in,
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: this rookie, had a heck of a game against The
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Rams with about 15 tackles.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: So we'll see.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: One of the best moments I've ever had as a
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: player was in Philly. So I'll give you a funny story.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: So it's preseason. When I was with the Jets, we
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: would always– I think back in the day, the NFL
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: used to have like regional preseason games just to save expenses, right?
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: So you didn't have to fly sometimes. Sure. You just
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: take a bus.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: And we played the Eagles every preseason. I mean, all
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: the time. And at the time, the Eagles had Jim McMahon.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: And if you guys remember who he actually coached here
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: for a short little bit, Ron Heller.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Was the left tackle of the Eagles. Well, Ron and
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Jim McMahon were like, you know, drinking buddies. Yeah, buddies.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: You know, best buds, you know. Yep, yep. And so
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I actually had QBH on Jim McMahon, which quarterback hit. Okay.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Ball gets released. I hit him. and all of a sudden,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: here comes a big Ron Heller, and just, you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: breathing steam out of his nose, and he comes after me,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: and anyway, we went to a full-blown fight, bench cleared,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, full-blown fight, we're throwing it, and ejected, ejected,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: and thank God we didn't have a lot of fines
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: back then for the preseason ejections, but I remember when uh,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I got thrown out of the game. Like, well, preseason
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: game anyway, it's actually kind of a bonus getting thrown
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: out of a preseason game.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: That's the way to look at it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just glad I didn't have to go to the
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: jail because that was back in the old stadium. And
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: of course the place was going, going nuts. And Ron
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: got thrown out and he's, you know, seeing red and,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: So anyway, the Jaguars hire him, and I don't remember
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: what year it was they hired him. Was it on
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Jack's staff? Yeah. Del Rio's staff? Was he right?
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to say he probably came aboard about 2010, no,
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: about 2009. Okay, so all of a sudden he gets hired,
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: and I said, I can't believe it.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen Ron since we got in a fight.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Good guy.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I sneak up behind him in the equipment room, and
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I literally– I push him. I said, let's go, man.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: He turned around like, what the heck's going on here?
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: And he saw it was me, and he started laughing.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: And so anyway, we had a funny moment about that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: It was one of the coolest moments ever. I got
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: thrown out of the game.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't get fined. You didn't go to the jail.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: And it was a preseason game, so I got to
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: sit out the rest of the game. Good guy. Good guy.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Good coach.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: It was a win.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: It was a win overall.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: No one remembers whether the Jets won, but Loggie knows
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: he won.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: But don't touch Jim McMahon, for God's sakes.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I wonder if they still talk.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure they did.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Here's the funny thing. You could have whacked Randall Cunningham
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: all the time. He would have kind of gotten rough,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: but he didn't go to that level.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: All right, well, the music means we are almost done
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: with you, Mr.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Duffner.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: We're going to send you back to the beach.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: Amen.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: You'll be here on Sunday.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: I'll be here and looking forward to it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Thank you for that.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Loggie and I are hanging around because Basselli and James
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Gladstone are about to walk through the door, and we'll
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: do Jags HQ for you and the rest of the
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Jaguars team. Radio Network. That'll do it for this fine show.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you and folks like Mr. Chubby and UF
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Health and GEHA for joining us this evening.