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How the Celtics FAILED Brown & Tatum, Caitlin Clark Discourse Gets More Insane | Bomani Jones · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 2: state of Massachusetts, not the city of, though always in
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  Speaker 2: his heart, Howard Bryan.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: My man, how you doing, Bo?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, man, it ain't a bad time, man. We got
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  Speaker 2: a lot to talk about here. I know we've talked
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  Speaker 2: a lot about Jalen Brown on this show, but we
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  Speaker 2: got a real live, you know, Bostonian.
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  Speaker 1: Around here.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, this is interesting.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, it's still going because Jalen Brown has
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  Speaker 2: scheduled the weirdest press tour. He's not doing any press
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  Speaker 2: with anybody that actually does sports. Just people that are
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  Speaker 2: letting him talk about whatever he wants to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, hey, I don't know if I... I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't do that if I was him. That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like there's still basketball involved in it.
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  Speaker 2: And the big one is he and Jason Tatum were
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  Speaker 2: on that team together.
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  Speaker 3: For nine years.
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  Speaker 2: You don't get many pairings that are together as long
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  Speaker 2: as they have been. Plenty more have been more accomplished
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  Speaker 2: than them, but they've been consistently in the discussion for
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  Speaker 2: nine straight years. They're not an iconic duo, but they
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  Speaker 2: are an important duo.
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  Speaker 3: And boom, that is over.
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  Speaker 1: Well, think about it, right? I mean, if you're going
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  Speaker 1: to go that route, which I'm happy to go with you,
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  Speaker 1: give me a decade long duo off the top of
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  Speaker 1: your head. I'm thinking West Baylor. Yeah. Jordan Pippen. Burr McHale.
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  Speaker 1: Stockton Malone. Dumars Thomas. I mean, there aren't that many
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  Speaker 1: guys who hold together for an extended length of time
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  Speaker 1: like that. I mean, and I'm talking, I'm not talking
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  Speaker 1: guys on the same team for any length of time.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I mean, obviously the big three Celtics stayed together
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  Speaker 1: for a length, but I'm talking these two guys who
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  Speaker 1: are clearly the front of, you know, of the organization,
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  Speaker 1: you know, of where the, of where the organization is going.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are very few, you probably can't name
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  Speaker 1: 10 in the history of the sport, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot considering how many great teams have been
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  Speaker 1: out there. And the thing about it that has always
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  Speaker 1: been interesting to me ever since it started to go
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  Speaker 1: down was it reminds me of the great line, the
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  Speaker 1: Robert Altman movie in The Player. The rumors are always true.
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  Speaker 1: You should know that by now, right? So I think
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  Speaker 1: about this, all the stuff about, why are you guys
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  Speaker 1: tearing the Jays apart? The Jays have been tearing apart
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  Speaker 1: probably since they started.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then they finally exploded in some ways. And I
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  Speaker 1: think it's been sort of fascinating to sort of watch
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  Speaker 1: how it all plays out because my first initial reaction
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  Speaker 1: to all of this is that nobody has screwed this
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  Speaker 1: up more than the Boston Celtics. I mean, organizationally, in
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  Speaker 1: terms of especially if you are a true Celtic, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from growing up from the beginnings of it all, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Celtics weren't supposed to act like this. Right. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why anybody would think that they were any
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  Speaker 1: different than any other organization. But the whole thing with
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  Speaker 1: red and the loyalty and, you know, the same thing
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  Speaker 1: with the Yankees and all those other dynasties. And you
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  Speaker 1: look at them and you go, they're just cold ass businessmen.
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  Speaker 1: And Jalen Brown found out that they were just cold-ass businessmen.
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  Speaker 1: And even worse for him was all of this idea
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  Speaker 1: that they are 1A and 1B, and they are in
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  Speaker 1: terms of what they've accomplished together. I have no quarrel
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  Speaker 1: with that. But the organization clearly made a decision about
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  Speaker 1: who was 1A and who was 1B, regardless of what
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  Speaker 1: was produced on the court. And the one is the
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  Speaker 1: guy coming off the Achilles' chair. which is even wilder.
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  Speaker 2: That's the part that's interesting because the guy that you
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  Speaker 2: would think need to be watching his back right now
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  Speaker 2: is the dude that's coming up a little bit gimpy.
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  Speaker 1: Who has never been, who's never been in the bullseye.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I've ever heard, like from
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  Speaker 1: a ratio standpoint, it's got to be three or four
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  Speaker 1: to one in terms of trade rumors, Brown to Tatum.
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  Speaker 3: I've never heard Tatum in a trade room.
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  Speaker 1: Me neither. I'm just, I only brought out the one
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  Speaker 1: because I thought I might've missed one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, but, Jalen Brown essentially has always been
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  Speaker 1: the guy we were going to get rid of if
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  Speaker 1: we had to get rid of. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why you had to get rid of a guy you
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  Speaker 1: just signed for $ 305 million and now suddenly you can't
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  Speaker 1: afford him. You gave him that contract. So to me,
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  Speaker 1: I think what's been really difficult up here from a
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  Speaker 1: Bostonian standpoint, one, it's the devastation of familiarity this is
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  Speaker 1: the this is this generation's group like the 10 year
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  Speaker 1: olds who came into Celtic fandom came in through Brown
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  Speaker 1: and Tatum and now that's gone the trading of him
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  Speaker 1: to Philadelphia is one of the most cynical moves I've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen in the history of watching sports I mean
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  Speaker 1: to them after they just beat you and it's Philly
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like he left and decided to
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  Speaker 1: pull a Ray Allen or a Roger Clemens and go
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  Speaker 1: to the Blue Jays and stay in the division or
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  Speaker 1: go to the Yankees, although he got traded to the Yankees.
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  Speaker 1: But this was you actively, purposely traded a 29-year-old to
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  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia 76ers? I mean, that to me told me
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  Speaker 1: that this team is either completely out of touch with
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  Speaker 1: who the Celtics are in reputation or They have completely
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  Speaker 1: immersed themselves in today's nihilistic sports era where it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if we trade you to the Lakers.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if we trade you to the Knicks.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a cynicism there that I found really distasteful.
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  Speaker 1: And also the fact that that cynicism works both ways.
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  Speaker 1: That even as quickly as it was done, suddenly it
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  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, man, in Brad we trust. And suddenly
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Brown didn't exist anymore. I was like, well, this
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  Speaker 1: is why you dumb fans always get taken.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I want to put a pin in the Sixers
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  Speaker 2: thing because I think there hasn't been nearly as much
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  Speaker 2: discussion about what they've got going, which I think is
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  Speaker 2: kind of fascinating. But it's Tatum under any sort of clock, right? Like,
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  Speaker 2: they've won the championship, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: However... They made.
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  Speaker 2: The call that he's going to be the guy. And
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  Speaker 2: for whatever it's worth, he has not demonstrated himself to
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  Speaker 2: be a clearly demonstrable number.
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  Speaker 3: One that takes you to a championship.
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  Speaker 2: When they did win the championship, the guy that got
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  Speaker 2: those trophies in those two series was Jalen Brown. Even
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  Speaker 2: if you argued that Tatum were a better player, okay.
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  Speaker 2: But now, coming off an Achilles tear, and they've made
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  Speaker 2: the call, this is all you. And I've always thought
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  Speaker 2: that he was an excellent player.
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  Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 2: But who likes to take really difficult shots and that
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  Speaker 2: I just never quite felt was that trustworthy.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, as a pairing, they got walked
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  Speaker 3: down a few times.
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  Speaker 1: They blow.
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  Speaker 3: If Jimmy Butler hits.
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  Speaker 2: That three in Miami late in game seven, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's 20, the email year. So I guess 2022, that's
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  Speaker 2: the most embarrassing conference finals loss that there has ever been.
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  Speaker 2: Like their tenure has been weird. And now Tatum, it's
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  Speaker 2: all you big dog.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's right. And in addition to that, it's ahistorical.
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  Speaker 1: When was the last time you put one guy distinctively
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  Speaker 1: ahead of all the other guys and won a championship?
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  Speaker 1: There's only two ways to win a championship, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: going over NBA history, especially modern NBA history. One is
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  Speaker 1: you have to have two to three legitimate Hall of Famers.
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  Speaker 1: You got to have, I mean, West and Baylor went
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  Speaker 1: to the finals eight times together and didn't win. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't even count them. That's just a freak thing
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  Speaker 1: that they, you know, I don't know how the Lakers
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  Speaker 1: didn't beat the Celtics at least once during those years, right?
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  Speaker 1: At least once. You're supposed to get one. That to
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  Speaker 1: me is an anomaly. But you either have to have
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  Speaker 1: Doc and Moses, you know, you've got to have Bird,
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  Speaker 1: Parrish and McHale and DJ and they had Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Famers all over that roster. You've got to have Isaiah
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  Speaker 1: and Dumas. You need somebody else to carry it. You
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  Speaker 1: need a Pippin to your Jordan. Or the other way
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  Speaker 1: you win the championship is if you have this wonderfully
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  Speaker 1: anomalous ensemble cast, like the 04 Pistons, where you look
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  Speaker 1: and you go, well, you've got just this wonderful group
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  Speaker 1: of everybody's either a Hall of Famer or a borderline
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. They're all excellent, excellent players.
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  Speaker 3: 2026 New York Knicks?
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, were this year's Knicks. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it will show up that, I mean, if Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Brunson retired today, is he a Hall of Famer? He
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  Speaker 1: hasn't played long enough, right? But they're all great players.
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  Speaker 1: Just look at them and go, they pulled the ensemble cast,
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  Speaker 1: which doesn't happen very often. What the Celtics are trying
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  Speaker 1: to do right now, they're trying to do which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of funny because you're just talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Jason Tatum and his idol, Kobe Bryant. They're trying to
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  Speaker 1: do a 2010 Lakers trying to do a 2009 Lakers
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  Speaker 1: where you've got one and some borderlines. I think Paul
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  Speaker 1: Gasol is a hall of famer, but he's never, you
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  Speaker 1: weren't going to win a championship with him as your
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  Speaker 1: only number one or Lamar Odom or Derek Fisher.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they had, they had two hall of fame
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  Speaker 2: talent underachievers, Lamar Odom and Andrew Bino, but you got
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  Speaker 2: just enough out of both of them.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. For that year. Or they think they're going
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  Speaker 1: to do 77 Trailblazers where you've got the one guy
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  Speaker 1: and everybody. But Jason Tatum is not Bill Walton, 1977.
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  Speaker 1: He's not, he's not that let's not get, you know,
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  Speaker 1: let's not lose ourselves in, in comparisons here. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, I think that one of the
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  Speaker 1: hardest things about a Tatum as a player, um, is
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  Speaker 1: his shot difficulty. I mean, his, I, when he first
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  Speaker 1: came in a league in the several years up until
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  Speaker 1: the last couple, I mean, I've always said that I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen a superstar player with an average degree of
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  Speaker 1: difficulty than Jason Tatum's shot selection. I mean, maybe Dame
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  Speaker 1: comes close because he's shooting from 40 feet out all
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  Speaker 1: the time. But generally speaking, it's very, very difficult to
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  Speaker 1: win that way. And I think that you brought up
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  Speaker 1: a really great point when it comes to the Celtics
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  Speaker 1: that people don't necessarily want to acknowledge. For everything that
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  Speaker 1: you talk about, about what the Jays have accomplished, and
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  Speaker 1: they did accomplish a ton. And They accomplished a ton
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  Speaker 1: because of the thing that nobody really also likes to
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  Speaker 1: talk about in Boston because it gets a little touchy.
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  Speaker 1: And that is Boston's not a free agent destination. You
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  Speaker 1: have to build through trades and the draft. So if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to get these generational talents, you got to
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  Speaker 1: hit on your number three picks or your number two
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  Speaker 1: picks or whatever, as they had done. And now they
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  Speaker 1: broke that up. You know, they don't want to acknowledge
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  Speaker 1: that because it's like, here we go back into Boston
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  Speaker 1: is the most racist city in America conversation, which nobody
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  Speaker 1: ever wants to have. And it's tired anyway. But the
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  Speaker 1: bottom line is, is that people, you know, free agent
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  Speaker 1: players are like, okay, where do I want to choose
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  Speaker 1: to have my prime years? They don't pick Boston. They
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  Speaker 1: pick LA and they pick Miami and they pick the
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  Speaker 1: other places. Um, but the other thing about that, the
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  Speaker 1: flip side, you know, before I went on this little
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  Speaker 1: tangent was they've failed spectacularly. They have had spectacular failures, uh,
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  Speaker 1: They were up two games to one in the final
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  Speaker 1: at home for a game four and didn't win another game.
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  Speaker 1: They just got beat 3-1 by a seventh seed after
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  Speaker 1: they blew a 3-1 lead. They were down 3-0 to
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  Speaker 1: Miami as a one seed and lost to an eighth seed.
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  Speaker 1: And somehow this list of spectacular failures does not really
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  Speaker 1: land on anybody's resume. including Joe Missoula and including Brad Stevens.
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  Speaker 1: These are chokes. And does that one championship mitigate those
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  Speaker 1: massive failures? To me, they don't. You know, especially now
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  Speaker 1: that we know underneath that maybe part of the reason
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  Speaker 1: why it didn't work was because of these two guys.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, in my opinion, just in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: I think that you've got these two guys who are
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  Speaker 1: trying to establish themselves, and they play somewhat similar games
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  Speaker 1: in terms of they're both forwards, whether we want to
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  Speaker 1: call them that or not. And in any other market
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  Speaker 1: that really, really cared about basketball, we would be mentioning that.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you got one title, but you guys
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  Speaker 1: also had some really, really, really big, big failures. and
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  Speaker 1: the organization has not taken the weight for that. The
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  Speaker 1: players have taken some of the weight. Jalen Brown takes
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  Speaker 1: a ton of the weight, but everybody else hasn't taken anything.
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  Speaker 2: Also, the weight that Jalen Brown takes, to be fair
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  Speaker 2: to him, he ain't become that guy for them until
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  Speaker 2: like fifth year in the league, like 2021. You got
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  Speaker 2: to remember, you had Kyrie, you had Isaiah Thomas. He
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  Speaker 2: was a piece until very recently. The reason that we
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  Speaker 2: elevate Tatum in the way that he did is that
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  Speaker 2: he was 19 years old as a rookie playing in
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  Speaker 2: Game 7 in the Eastern Conference Finals, and he had
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  Speaker 2: been a guy that was going out there and getting
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  Speaker 2: buckets for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he put 50 on Philly in a Game 7.
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  Speaker 1: He did. I mean, 100%. And I look at this,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm looking at this, and I think that, to me,
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  Speaker 1: it's an understanding people type of thing. Do you understand
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  Speaker 1: how to handle people? And I think that one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons why I use the word cynical is because
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  Speaker 1: I look at, You know, there's still labor. And let's
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  Speaker 1: not forget that, you know, Brad Stevens is upstairs because
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  Speaker 1: he couldn't relate to those players. Yep. Does he know
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  Speaker 1: how to relate to these black players? Does he know
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  Speaker 1: how to relate, especially to someone like Jalen Brown, who's
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  Speaker 1: not just a black player, black man, like he's a
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  Speaker 1: black male, like very much aware of.
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  Speaker 3: Capital B.
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  Speaker 1: He's still using the capital B.
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  Speaker 3: He is key.
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  Speaker 1: He is hard on the capital B. They would have said,
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  Speaker 1: if he was born in the 30s or the 40s, he's.
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  Speaker 3: A race man. Race man. He's a race man, right?
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  Speaker 1: He's a race man. And good. And this is one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that when people talk about when you
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  Speaker 1: try to equate money with power, Jalen Brown has a
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  Speaker 1: ton of money, but then they showed him he didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of power, right? And I look at
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  Speaker 1: his situation, and every time I looked at his situation,
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  Speaker 1: I would be like, okay, I'm not in that locker room.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know those guys. However, why do you keep
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  Speaker 1: telling me I'm second to anybody on this team? Why
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  Speaker 1: is it important to you? Why is it so important
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  Speaker 1: to you that I accept being second? I'm not second
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  Speaker 1: to anybody. I'm not second to anybody on this team.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not second to anybody in this league. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and we all say that that's the mentality that we
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  Speaker 1: want these athletes to have. And then when they have it,
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  Speaker 1: we go, oh, he's a malcontent. Right? He wasn't a malcontent.
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  Speaker 1: He's a proud professional athlete who wants to be a
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  Speaker 1: great player and wants to be seen as a great player. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if that runs counter to the organizational philosophy or the
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  Speaker 1: organization's view of itself, like, okay, Jason's up here, Jalen's
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  Speaker 1: down here, then that's on you. That's not on him.
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  Speaker 1: So we're expecting him to defer. Why would you expect
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  Speaker 1: that of somebody who you want to be maximizing his ability?
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's a piece when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the understanding of people that I think that they really,
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  Speaker 1: really missed out on. I mean, and it's true. And
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  Speaker 1: then of course, if you want to start throwing our
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  Speaker 1: business in the street, which I really just don't like doing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, of course the behind the scenes conversations are, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's colorism and it's, it's personality and it's
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  Speaker 1: politics and they don't like a, you know, an intelligent,
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  Speaker 1: you know, black man being as forceful as he is
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  Speaker 1: and all. And these are all the things that if
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  Speaker 1: they're not true, then you as an organization have a
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  Speaker 1: responsibility to your player to debunk. Why did you let
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  Speaker 1: this guy's name get trashed like that? We spent three
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  Speaker 1: weeks talking about a guy who was being traded for
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  Speaker 1: being smart. You know, like, and to the point where
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  Speaker 1: his intelligence sort of became an insult. Like it was
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  Speaker 1: such an anomaly that there was an intelligent black guy
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  Speaker 1: out there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, assuming that's the reason he got traded.
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  Speaker 1: Assuming that, exactly, right? And it probably isn't. And if
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  Speaker 1: it's so, you know, but maybe it is. Maybe it's
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: all of the things. But... If you're simply going to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: say that the numbers are not in our favor, then
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: get ahead of it, Bill Chisholm, the minute you buy
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the team and say the numbers aren't in our favor.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Because I do believe that the fans are the ones
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: being screwed by this new CBA. The players are being
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: screwed only from the standpoint of loyalty if they want
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: to stay with an organization, but they're going to make
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: their money no matter where they go. The league is
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: making its money because it's got cost control. The owners
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: are making their money because their valuations go up. But
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: the fans are the ones watching their teams get torn
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: apart for no good reason. Look at where the Celtics
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: are after winning a championship. Two years after winning a championship,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: they're unrecognizable. And so if that's the issue, then why
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: can't you just do what Joe Lacob said and was like, look,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: we can't keep this team together financially. Just come out
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and say that. And then we don't have all this
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Palace intrigue. And now you don't have Jalen Brown with
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: his feelings hurt. And then you don't have Tatum in
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: this corner having to say something about, you know, his
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: running mate for the last decade. You don't have to
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: do any of that. But they didn't do any of that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: You know, they let their star player get his name
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: trashed in the mud. And you know what it was
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: really reminding me of? It was like, it reminded me
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: of Nomar back in 2003.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: After they lost the Aaron Boone game to the Yankees
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and they immediately tried to trade him, you know, for
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Alex Rodriguez. And then the trade didn't go through. I'm like,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: how are you going to mend this? Like I was
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: thinking the whole time, I'm like, okay, what if these
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: trades don't go through? How on earth are you going
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to mend this relationship with Jalen Brown? You've allowed him
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to be, you let Colin Cowherd destroy him. You know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you're letting all these anonymous sources destroy him and you're
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: not saying anything. Nobody's saying anything. And that's where I'm like,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: all right, look, we all know it's a business. You're
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: making $ 57 million a year. People are saying, man, just
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: nut up and take your money. But there is a
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: human element to this. And I think that for the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: first time I can remember in a long time, obviously
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the Isaiah Thomas thing was not great in terms of
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: him getting hurt and then not getting his money. But
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: this was a very, very cold way of handling it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: And it didn't show a great deal of understanding of people,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: especially this one specificity particular individual in Jalen Brown.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: And now he's going to Philadelphia where there's only one ball, guys.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: There's only one ball.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: That's what's interesting about that is that. For a guy
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: who wants to be a number one.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Right, he's going to a place where he's the number three.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: He's going to a place where he's the number three.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, not his choice, but how is his, outside
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of playing 82 games.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Of Rage, right? Which is going to be very difficult
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: to sustain, but who knows? How logistically is he going
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: to satisfy his desire to be seen the way he
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: wants to be seen, when he actually just went down
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: in the depth chart. Like, Maxie's ball-dominant. Embiid's ball-dominant. Brown
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: is ball-dominant. Right? Whoa, whoa, hold on.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: And Vijay Edgecombe is there.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And Edgecombe is coming.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Like, to me, if I'm the Sixers, the reason I'm
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: not so inclined to make that deal is I feel
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: like I got an all-star here.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: In Edgecombe, right?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not creating a situation that's going to get.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Him fewer shots.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: But you just did.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: And you just did, right?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: You just did.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: On top of, and I get the idea, maybe you
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: felt like you need another upper echelon guy because you
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: can't count on Embiid in any way whatsoever.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: It's probably a numbers thing. It's like, all right, maybe
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you look at it this way. This is a great
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: way to completely, to continue to destroy whatever chemistry is
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: happening in the 617 area code that's helpful to us
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: secondarily jaylen brown is a great player and you know
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: philosophically whenever you have a chance to get a hall
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of fame level player you get them right we'll just
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: make it worth nothing right for not exactly right we'll
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: do that um not that paul george is nothing but
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: 36 years old you know i get it um and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: then maybe also you look at it and you go
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: okay we're gonna get mb'd for a 45 to 65
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: games we're going to need to make up those points
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and we're going to need to make up those points
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: closer to the basket like and and when we get
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to the playoffs we'll continue to evolve and figure it
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: out and maybe they just look at it as when
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you have a lot of great players that's a better
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: problem to have than not wondering where our points are
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: going to come from.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah one thing i got no problem with on any
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: player we talked about this we talked about jalen brown
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: The guy that wants to be number one, right? Being
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: a number two, no matter the job, is a different
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: job and a different experience than being number one. And
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: some people like to be number two. That's exactly it.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Some people enjoy it. I did a television show once
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: that was, and not one of the shows that I did.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: As my job.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about one I did an appearance on. And
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I was there once, and the person hosting was the
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: number two.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: On the show.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: The number one was out for whatever reason. And that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: person that was number two was very clear. Yeah, I
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: prefer riding shotgun, right? Like there's a certain measure of
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: responsibility and stuff that happens. Like, for example, I don't
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: think I'm at all talking out of school when I
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: do this show with Dominique.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Dominique appreciates.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool. You gonna bring the ball up? Straight.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I'll take, you know, that's not bad. I can sit
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: over here, spot up and shoot. Okay, I would prefer
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: to do that. Jalen Brown liked how it felt to
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: be number one. He liked how it felt coming into
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Huddle and saying, bring it in, and everybody's around his hand.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: He enjoyed that. And there's nothing wrong with that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: That's not anything anybody needs to apologize for, especially after
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you already got your ring, right?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And after you won 56 games without the, you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: when the number one was out and everybody was like, yeah,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: this is just a throwaway year. It's a lottery year.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: You know, nobody and I don't care what anybody says. Right.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I live out here, you know, we talk
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: to a ton of people. Nobody thought when Jason Tatum
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: went down that it was like, oh, they'll just pick
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: up the slack and win 56 games next year. Nobody
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: thought that. Nope.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: So you got to give Jalen Brown his respect for that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: He made last season worth watching.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: He was willing to do it. And not everybody is
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: willing to do it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: You got to give him that.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: And also one other thing, Beau, sorry about this. One
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: other thing about that too is think about the win-win-lose-lose
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: on this, right? Imagine if Jalen Brown had been like, yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I'm really happy deferring. They would have been like, yeah,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: he's not hungry enough. You know what I mean? So
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: what is this really all about? Too hungry, not hungry enough, right?
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Wants to be a number one. which I can't believe
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: is a demerit or two can't be counted on to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: be a number one. So essentially what you were really
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: saying is we've created our dynamic of what this basketball
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: team looks like. And it is created within the framework
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: where you can't maximize what you think your potential is. Yep.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: That's a hell of a message. And while doing this,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: We will try to trade you for Anthony Davis. We
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: will try to trade you for Kevin Durant, who loves being,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't defer to anybody either. He's not
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a leader personality-wise, but you think Kevin Durant's not getting
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: his shots as alpha? Right? I mean, while we're doing this,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: while we're winning, while we have a duo, by the way,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that the fans love and that the organization is succeeding with,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: We're going to keep trying to move you, not break
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: up the duo, move you. Yeah.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you this though.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: There are questions about the basketball fit in Philadelphia for
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brown, but you know, you not just are a
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: former resident of Philadelphia as a college student, you went
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to Temple. And I say all that to say Jalen
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Brown is, is a fit for Philly in a way
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that I don't think white people understand.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: He's right where he belongs.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: It is a matter of time before he out here
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: with that freeway beard.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Man, he needs to go.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: His aki ass is right exactly where he need to be, boy.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: For those of you who don't understand this about Philly,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Philly is Muslim as all get out, right? Them brothers
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: got the beards working at the bank. His aki ass
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: is going to be down there right at home. I
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: am terrified at some of the things that he might
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: be putting on Instagram.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Now that he's down there amongst his people.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: His people, exactly, man. Go up to 52nd and Walnut
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and take your photo with that Paul Robeson year old.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Do it, brother.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Paul Robeson?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Wait till he's out here sitting outside Maleficent Asante's house, right?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: My old professor.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, he about to be kente'd all the way down.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Now that he's getting up there.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Did I ever tell you my Professor Asante story? No.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Temple University freshman year, 1987. an African-American studies class. And
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: he read looking in and he's looking at all these
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: little black faces smiling at him and everything. And he's like,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: how many of you can name 10 African countries? And
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of hands went up. He said, how
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: many of you can name 10 sub-Saharan African countries and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: their continents? Silence. He said, Sub-Saharan, not South Africa. How
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: many can you name? The joint was silent. You want
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to talk about just being embarrassed in the first day
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: of class. Embarrassed. He said, look at each other. You
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: don't even know who you are. You don't know who
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you are. Then he made it worse by going pointing
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: at the map and looking at Paris and looking at,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Greece and looking at London. He said, Oh,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you know, those off the top of your head, don't you?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And everybody was like trying to just skulk out of there.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Please don't point at me. Don't pick, don't pick on me. Um,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a hundred percent. Right. And that was, but that's the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: beauty of Philly, right? That's Philly for you.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you my, the best Asante story I've
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: ever heard. For those of you who don't know who
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Maleficent Asante is, the intellectual, uh, I don't even know
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: the right term, but Afrocentrism is a.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: That is Maleficente, right? Can he invent that word?
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Discipline is too broad, but the notion of Afrocentrism is Maleficente, right?
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: By the way, it's an interesting path he takes with
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: those things.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: But anyway, Asante took some students on a trip to
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Egypt because of course he would, right?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And so They on a boat and they on the Nile.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: And as one might, Maleficent got caught up by the
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: majesty of the Nile River, right?
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: With his people.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: They ain't Kemet. They ain't Nubia.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: And he got caught up and was like, ah, it's
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the Nile. And I don't know if he used his
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: hand or he didn't use the cup, but he got
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: some water out of the Nile.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: No.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It took a swig of it. and got dysentery.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They said that boy, they said that man was fucked
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: up for the.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Rest of the trip.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I heard this story from a pretty close source, right?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know if it didn't happen, but I
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: hope it did, because that is hilarious.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Even if it didn't happen, it happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Even if it didn't, it's what might argue it's a
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: metaphor for lots of different things, right?
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: But that did happen.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are back with Howard Bryant.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: We are in, I don't even want to say year
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: three of the Caitlin Clark experience because we're really in
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: like year five of it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in year five.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: We're in year three of the WNBA Caitlin Clark experience.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It didn't really become a thing to talk about more
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: broadly until that game with Angel Reese.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: And then it went farther and farther.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: But I will say this part, it kind of reached
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: its apex once she reached the WNBA.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: These three years, the.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Conversations are the same except dumber and worse.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: It's like nothing has changed.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing has changed.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Nobody has moved off their square in any way it appears.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: It's just become, like, as somebody who's just kind of
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: not invested in the whole thing, it's really tough to watch.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to get involved in this, and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: then I did it for a little bit, and I
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: was like, man, y'all.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Can have this.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to be part of this. I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: don't want to play anymore. Yeah, it's it's interesting. And
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I would I would argue that it hasn't not moved.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I would I would argue that it's intensified because now
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you've got the federal government getting involved. Right. I mean,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: so essentially what you have here is to me, Caitlin
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Clark was always an avatar. Right. And the reason why
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the WNBA piece of it intensified was because the avatar.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: But it's a it's a fascinating story. Right. It's a
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: really fascinating story in terms of the perfect storm. When
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: you think of all of the different things that are
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: coming in at once. And to me, when I think
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: about the, or the Caitlin Clark origins, I immediately go
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to Steph Curry, right? Steph Curry to me is, is
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a central character in all of this because all people
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: have done for their entire lives on the, on the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: male side of this is shit all over women's sports,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: especially women's basketball. And why? Because it's not, a vertical game.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: It's not an aerial game, right? I mean, they all
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: look at it. I remember being at ESPN and in
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the green room or one of our, you know, morning
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: meetings before we did first take or whatever show it was.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And people in the room were just laughing at the WNBA,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: just laughing where the, you know, college basketball, because, you know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, this looks like, you know, this looks
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: like intramurals. This looks like, you know, 11th grade basketball
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: because it's not an aerial game. How do we view basketball?
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: We view basketball by black men leaping through the air, right?
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: That's basketball. That's the basketball that we recognize. And then
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Steph Curry comes along and he makes it a horizontal game.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Now it's accessible without leaping through the air. And now
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: women have somebody who is playing a horizontal game, which
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: reduces the necessity of having a slam dunk contest. And
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: she embodies that. And by embodying that, now the dudes
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: who never had anything but ridicule for women's basketball, now
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: it's accessible to them. Now it's like, oh, this looks
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: like something we can talk about. And then, of course,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: you know, could it be any, I don't know if
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: it's great or worse fortune that she's from Iowa? Right.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: So now you've got, you know, you're trying to recreate,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: which can't be recreated, but you're trying to recreate your
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: bird magic moment. You know, you're trying to recreate the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: black versus the white. And it was toxic back then.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I'm a Bostonian. I remember when
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Larry Bird came in and that whole great white hope
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: stuff was real. You know, and the fact that it
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: was Boston, you know, again, which was the place was
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: still stinging from busing and a lot of racial strife.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you know, it'd been three, four or five years ever since,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you know, the desegregation stuff. So a white player coming
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: into Boston, you know, resurrecting a team that had not
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: been very good for the last couple of years and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: had been blamed back then that it was on the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: black players, the Bob McAdoo's and the Sidney Wicks's and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the Curtis Rose. They were, you know, there's a saying
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: in Boston, you know, back then that the black of
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the team, the worst, the record that you only like, seriously,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: when you look at Celtic great teams, they always had
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: kind of a 50-50. You had Cowens and Havlicek, but
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: you had Russell and Sam Jones, and you had JoJo
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: and Charlie Scott, but you had balance. And then when
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you look at those black teams that were overwhelmingly black,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: they weren't very good. And the reason for that was
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: obviously Red knew what sold. But anyway, so now you've
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: got Caitlin Clark, and she's the avatar for all of
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: the people who don't like this sport. Or now feel
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: like they can talk about it. Or deep down have
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: always had something negative to say. And also, let's not forget,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: when you're walking into the culture of a sport or
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: a job or whatever, the culture changes you before you
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: change the culture. But the expectation is that women's college
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: basketball is essentially at least half and half. It's a
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: white girl ponytail sport. But the WNBA is a black
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: queer sport. That's the culture of that sport. And I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people thought they were going to,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: you know, Caitlin Clark was going to come in there
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: and change the culture and now make it accessible. And then,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: of course, the money that she's going to bring in
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: as well, that everybody was going to be on board
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: with that. But people aren't always on board when you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: try to change their culture, especially overnight. And then... Go ahead.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, the thing about, I think
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: it holds a little tighter with basketball, but I think
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: it is kind of broadly applicable to all sports, though
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: the NFL throws it off because it has such a
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: hold over its players.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Financial hold.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the culture of college basketball is the culture
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: of colleges. And I think that part of why people
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: can lean in on women's college basketball is in a
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: different way than women's professional basketball is that right. It is,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: it is a way to, I love this school so much.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I even be watching the girls, you know, like that's
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: what it is. The culture of professional sports leagues are
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: cultures that are determined by the players themselves. Baseball is
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: so interesting because there has always been this kind of
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: overarching attempt to maintain the culture. And it's actually players
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: that try to police it in that way. But in
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the end, the culture is the players and the players
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: that try to keep the culture static. I mean, the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: attempt to keep the culture static in baseball are still
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: coming from inside the house.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: It's still the players.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: The NFL is able to tell them boys what to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: do in a bit of a different way. But still,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the culture really is the players. And the WNBA culture
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: is the players. And the players are not like the
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: players anywhere else.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: And so now.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: all these conservative type folks who liked Caitlin Clark showed
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: up to this new league and are like, I don't
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: like anything that I'm looking at.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: And by the way, it is not recognizable.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: And I would know that many, many of the people
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: from that culture of that, of that league, they don't
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: like the new girl that much either.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: That's the part that we're not, I don't think we're
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: that sensitive.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: That's the part people don't want to accept.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, don't get me wrong. Yes, new players always
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: get tossed around. There's always some measure of this and that.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: But no, no, no, no, no. Justice Kayla Clark is
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: an avatar to the people who like her. She is
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: also an avatar for a bunch of the people who
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: don't like her. And then it all comes together to
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the point where you got Congress people talking about, we're
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: going to get a DOJ. In a time where all
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: these people are trying to get rid of all.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Investigations of discriminations.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: This is the one that they want to care about,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: is the idea that Kaitlyn Clark is being discriminated against
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: by the mean black girls of the WNBA.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: And that Kaitlyn Clark is so fragile and so important
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: that she needs to be protected from a black girl
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: putting a moving screen on her.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine how embarrassing that is for her? And
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I imagine it is, right?
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It has. to be.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: It has to be.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: You can't handle this.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: This is Naaman's mama coming in and making Bodhi give
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: her boy a package.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And on top of that, when you're looking at
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the dynamic of, okay, the league, There's also one other
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: thing here that we're not even discussing, which is whenever
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you're new, you got to prove you can play.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: And she's shooting 32% from three. Yeah.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: She's shooting 40, 42% on from the field. Are you
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: that good? Are you, maybe are you a college phenomenon?
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Are you, maybe you need to put on 10, 15
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: pounds of muscle so you can handle the pounding of
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: being around grown women playing basketball. And yeah, The idea
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: that all of this is happening at a time, and
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I would add to you, the DOJ investigations also include
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: making sure we protect the Christian white males from Pride Night.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: That's the other one, right? So we know that Caitlin
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Clark has been enlisted in this culture war. Whether she
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: has asked to be enlisted or not, it is now
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: going to be incumbent upon her to decide how she
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: wants to play it because now they're using you as
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a pawn. And if you don't want to be a pawn,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: you got to speak up. And if you don't, people
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: are going to say, okay, well, you ride with this
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: because they put your name on it and you didn't
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: do anything about it.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: But see, that's one of the interesting things is people
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: are like, when is she going to denounce the racism?
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Dude, she's done it like four or five times.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: It's just never loud.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: It can never be loud enough because those other people
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: are so much louder.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: That's right. Well, but once again, denouncing racism is very
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: different from being accepted in her work culture. Yeah. And
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I argue that this is not a racial question. I
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: think people don't like her. I think she plays a game.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: It's almost like a little bit of hocus pocus, right?
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: That she's a popular player, but not a particularly likable
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: player because of her on-court behavior, right? Like, how are
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you going to go out there and make a whole
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: bunch of threes and stick your tongue out and get
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: up in people's faces and then cry about every trip
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: down court?
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: You're either in it or you're not in it. Right.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can you have it both ways? Can
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: you can you look and scream at the ref? That's
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: a foul every time you have the ball. Right. And
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: then when you make a shot like mean mug in
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: somebody's face and not handle it. I mean, are you
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: are you tough or are you not tough? Which one
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think a question this is coming down
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: to what if those players are fundamentally correct?
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: And she's not that good.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Like, what if they keep trying to argue with you
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: about what this is, but what it maybe comes down
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: to is, what if maybe she's just not that good
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: and they know it?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: And what if there's one other thing to that, right?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Which I think is going to be interesting to her
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: from a basketball standpoint. What if your best skill is
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: actually passing the ball? Because she's an excellent passer. Like,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: what if the 30 footers is not really your game?
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can make them, but not at anywhere
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: near a high enough percentage that that's your a game.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe you are a really, really good point guard who
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: gets other people involved and your game is not, you know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: your game is not the a game, but you know, I,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I think that the tough part for her is that
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: she is now, she's, she is the polarizing one either way.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: And let's not forget the number of, you know, of,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: of black men in, you know, some of them being in,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you know, ex NBA players who really did place on her, like,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, if you, you know, if you breathe
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: in or you're fumbling the bag, right. This whole idea
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: that these black women were, were actively trying to destroy,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: not just her, but the league's financial future. I mean,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: she's not wrapped in, you know, and she's not in
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: bubble wrap. You know what I mean? Like you got
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to go out and play.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: That was also proof that those guys don't take this
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: league seriously.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Like, they take basketball seriously in their own world.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: And complain the whole time that you couldn't breathe on
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: But I say, at no point were they going to
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: be like, yo, I don't even be fouling LeBron, man.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get this money.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, they never would say that about something that
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: they participated in. You say that when you believe that
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the only purpose for anything that you don't care about
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: is to make money.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: That's right. And that it's the only way for it
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to be compelling. Right. Is that for it to be somehow... inauthentic.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Wrestling.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: No, that's right. And all of it is, to me
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: at least, how much of the responsibility, like, where does
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the responsibility lie? If you're Caitlin Clark, do you just
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: sit there and go, all right. I mean, she does
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: have bigger problems, right? She has bigger issues, which is
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: establishing herself as a reliable, great player in the league
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: and not Tim Tebow, who's a huge name that when
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: you started to really break down the analytics, wasn't that good.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Now, to be fair, you ain't need no analytics to
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: break it down on Tim Tebow.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: You could just watch him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: By saying, let me feel. Let me feel.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Was not that good.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: And there's plenty of people out there like that. The
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: phenomenon does not... The game does not measure up to
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the phenomenon. And Caitlin Clark is 100% a very good
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: upper-level WNBA player. There's no question about that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: But.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: you know, my concern when I watch this and I watch,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: you know, it's how the sport is also sold. And
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: this whole idea, like we're in an era right now,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: as much as people love to sit there and talk about,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, let's go back to the 80s, you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: when basketball was basketball. I, you know, there's our social
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: media digestion of these leagues and people crashing out at
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: concerts and in public punching each other out. You see
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: it in the game. Like it really is emphasized, like,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: toughness is not toughness as much as it is sort
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: of this weird sort of fight club thing right and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: i just don't ever remember i mean obviously you remember
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the pistons and the knicks and the celtics and all
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: those guys sort of going at each other but i
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: don't i don't remember those years fondly for that element
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: of it i was like this is fucked up right
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: i mean watching these guys fight basketball remember when basketball
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be the non-contact sport right Right. This
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: is not that. And like there's this sort of attitude like, OK,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: if every WNBA game is like on the verge of
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: a brawl, like that's not something that the league wants
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to have either.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this is one day, one day this conversation
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: will progress.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: One day. Can I ask you one last question about this, though?
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the Larry Bird comp? Because
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: one of the comps that I've always made on this
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: is that. They tried to rope Bird into that Great
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: White Hope stuff. He wasn't going for it. He wasn't
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: going for it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: He wasn't going for it.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the first deviation from the Bird
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: thing is very important.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: I was actually looking at this this morning for unrelated reasons.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Nine years in the league, off the rip, Larry Bird
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: was a top four MVP vote getter.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I think there was one four and one three, three
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: ones and the rest were twos.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Like immediately and continuously he was that guy. But I
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: think an important difference between Bird and Clark is that
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: white politics weren't nearly as polarized at that time.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: And that was during Reagan. Right.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: But like seeing a guy like Larry Bird, you didn't
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: necessarily know if he was a Democrat or Republican.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: He might not have necessarily been a liberal.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: But there was a whole different world. I guess he's
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: from Indiana, so maybe it'd be a little bit differently.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: But that guy right there could have worked at some factory.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: In Indiana or somewhere like that. I mean, Illinois.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: And this could have gone in either direction. So it
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: was not nearly as easy for people to pull him
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: to one side if they had wanted to.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: But if they had, Bird wasn't going for that.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: That's right. Bird wasn't going for that at all.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: The other part, too, Caitlin Clark seems to have an
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: inclination to be kind of all things to all people
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: because she's in.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: The era of athlete as pitch person. That's right.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Larry Bird was trying to destroy those Negroes. Every one
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: of them that he came across.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Like Kayla Clark is not going to talk so much
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: shit to Dr.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: J to Dr. J and Moses Malone and Charles Barkley
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: come and beat him up.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Right. Like that's 42 to six. But maybe you should retire.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: 42 to six. Time for you to retire. Yeah.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Like that.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: That sort of thing.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting because I think Bird then became more endearing.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Because of his willingness to be that guy, he had
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: the black folks out there terrified.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Like he earned it. He had a play. He was
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Jerry West. He had a play. The thing I loved
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: about Bird, and it was very, very difficult being a
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Celtics fan growing up during that time because everyone, you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: white people kept pushing all that racism in your face, right?
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: They would say things. I remember him being in high
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: school and they would say things like, well, you know, yeah.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And I would say to them, I would say, how
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: do you watch the NBA and feel the way you
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: feel about black people? It's an 80% league. And they
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: would say, number one player on my team and on
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: my basketball team said this, it may be an 80% league,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: but the best player is white. You know, good thing
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: we don't have any identity politics going on here, right?
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, so the thing that I really respected about
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Bird was that he was like, look, I want to
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: prove i can play here right and from a marketing
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: standpoint you know we're in a very very hostile time
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: period and i and i think it's important and i
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: don't know if she's getting these this sort of advice
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: or not or media training or whatever but But I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: don't think you can walk away from how nasty the
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: world is right now. Yeah. I don't think you can
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: just sort of dance away from that. And you are
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: being used. Caitlin Clark is being used right now. And
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can be neutral. Larry Bird got
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: up to you. You made the best point on this.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Larry Bird got, you know, he got away with this
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: without ever getting into his politics. You never looked at
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Bird and go, oh, yeah, you know, he was a
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: social activist. He played ball. He wanted the respect of
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the league. He wanted the respect of his teammates. He
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: wanted to win. And Caitlin Clark is being positioned as
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: being above it or needing protection from it. And I
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: don't know how long you can be silent when you're
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: being positioned like that. Maybe you just figure, I'm just
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: going to go do my thing. But I wonder in
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: today's world, if it plays, if that is the best
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: path for survival and success.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: And don't nobody, whether you should or shouldn't, hey, man,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: go tell the people that apparently love you.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: The most that they tripping.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Hey, nobody gets rich like that.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: That's right. No, that's right. And it's not fair to her,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: just like it wasn't fair to Bird when he had
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: to go through his stuff with Isaiah and Rodman after
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: 87 because they got beat. But he didn't go for it.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and that is how you gain the respect
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  Speaker 1: of people around you. And you don't get the respect of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, once again, the culture changes you before you
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  Speaker 1: change the culture. And I think that a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: let's also not forget, we didn't talk about this, but
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  Speaker 1: also let's not forget that before Caitlin Clark came into
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  Speaker 1: the league, these women were out here caping for Raphael Warnock.
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  Speaker 1: And they were political. After Caitlin Clark came in the league,
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  Speaker 1: They're silent. And the reason why they're silent is because
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