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FairT: Red Sox trade Devers to Giants, Ohtani returns to the mound · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Red Sox fans are really upset this morning, and understandably so.
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  Speaker 1: Another star player is gone. A lynchpin of their organization
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  Speaker 1: is gone. Welcome everyone to the Monday edition of Fair Territory.
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  Speaker 1: We are live. This is the first day of the
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  Speaker 1: Rafael Devers Era in San Francisco and the first day
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  Speaker 1: of the post Rafael Devers Era in Boston. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get into the trade. We're going to get into the
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  Speaker 1: angles from both sides. We're gonna get into Shoheo Tani
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  Speaker 1: making his first start of twenty twenty five as well
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  Speaker 1: first starts in surgery. But let's start with something I
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  Speaker 1: wrote back on May twelfth. It actually proved somewhat prophetic.
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  Speaker 1: Shock of shocks. Here's what it was, and it concerned
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  Speaker 1: Raphael Devers. The idea of a trade at some point
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  Speaker 1: isn't all that far fetched. Even with Devers owed more
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  Speaker 1: than two hundred and fifty million, including a portion deferred
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  Speaker 1: for a hitter of his quality, the contract soon might
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  Speaker 1: look like something of a bargain a lease compared to
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  Speaker 1: Juan Soto's seven hundred and sixty five million in Vladimir
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  Speaker 1: Guerrero Junior's five hundred million Okay, that was just over
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  Speaker 1: a month ago. Now, when I said the idea of
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  Speaker 1: a trade isn't all that far fetched, I didn't think
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  Speaker 1: it was gonna happen as quickly. No one did. It
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most shocking trades I can remember
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  Speaker 1: in baseball. It certainly rivals some others that have happened
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  Speaker 1: in recent years. But when you look get back at
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  Speaker 1: Juan Soto and Mookie Bets, those were kind of in
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  Speaker 1: the works, Gary Crochet, in the works, we sort of
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  Speaker 1: knew this was coming, or those deals were common. This one,
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  Speaker 1: to me is the most surprising since Zach Grenk in
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, from the Diamondbacks to the Astros at the deadline,
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  Speaker 1: That too came out of nowhere. The out of nowhere
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  Speaker 1: trades are the best trades, the most fun to analyze,
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  Speaker 1: and this one has so many layers. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know if we can get through the wall today. But
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  Speaker 1: let's go. Let's start, and let's start with the details
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  Speaker 1: of the trade. Exactly what happened between the San Francisco
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  Speaker 1: Giants and Austin Red Sox on Sunday. Devers, of course,
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  Speaker 1: goes to the Giants. He has owed about two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty five million more on his contract. The Giants
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  Speaker 1: are taking all the money. In return, the Red Sox
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  Speaker 1: get Jordan Hicks, currently on the injured list with a
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  Speaker 1: tow issue and a six point four to seven ERA.
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Harrison wants one of the Giants' top pitching prospects,
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  Speaker 1: outfielder James Tibbs, third guy who was the fourteenth pick
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  Speaker 1: overall in last year's draft, and right hander Jose Beayo.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the return. It's a meager return. But some
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  Speaker 1: would say, hey, wait a second, the Giants are taking
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  Speaker 1: all that money and they still gave up players. The
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox, from that perspective, did well. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that many Red Sox fans believe that the Red Sox
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  Speaker 1: did well, and they should not believe that the Red
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  Speaker 1: Sox did well because for this season, and this is
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  Speaker 1: what I wrote about today in my column for this
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  Speaker 1: season twenty twenty five, when you ask yourself the question,
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  Speaker 1: o the Red Sox are better team without Raphaeld Devers,
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  Speaker 1: it's difficult to imagine that the answer to that question
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  Speaker 1: is yes. Without Devs, you're losing one of the top
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  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen hitters in the game. You're losing a
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  Speaker 1: veteran player who can provide cover for the young position
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  Speaker 1: players that they've brought up. And there's a bunch of them,
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  Speaker 1: and they're all doing their thing as rookies or second
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  Speaker 1: year players. Ups and downs. That's what you're going to
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  Speaker 1: experience with young guys. And as I wrote, well, yes,
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  Speaker 1: Alex Bregman is coming back, and that's a great thing.
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  Speaker 1: Problem is, Alex Bregman can opt out after this year.
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  Speaker 1: I expect that he will opt out after this year,
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  Speaker 1: as long as he stays healthy the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 1: And as I also wrote, there are unconfirmed reports of
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  Speaker 1: Alex Bregman's agent, Scott Boris, rolling on the floor hysterical
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  Speaker 1: knowing that he now has the Red Sox in his
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  Speaker 1: little hands. So again, a lot to unwrap here, but
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  Speaker 1: the Red Sox, Yes, they gain flexibility going forward. They
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  Speaker 1: gain flexibility from that sheer technical standpoint. It's a good thing, right.
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  Speaker 1: They have money, all that two hundred and fifty five
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  Speaker 1: million they can direct to other places. But their chief
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  Speaker 1: baseball officer, Craig Breslow, has had kind of a mixed
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  Speaker 1: record so far, and they're gonna need to add at
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  Speaker 1: the deadline. They're gonna need to add pitching in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: even with the guys that they're getting. Kyle Harrison was
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  Speaker 1: optioned to the Miners, and of course Jordan Hicks is
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  Speaker 1: not ready. They're gonna need pitching, and yes, they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: need another bat. Ralpfhaeld Devers is a monstrous force in
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  Speaker 1: a lineup. You don't simply say, hey, we're good now
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  Speaker 1: that we don't have Ralphield Devers. So they get rid
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  Speaker 1: of the contract. That's a good thing for them. Okay, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: in a sheer, distant, remote, non emotional level, getting rid
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  Speaker 1: of that contract is good. But you gave Ralfhaeld Givers
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  Speaker 1: that contract. And why did you give him that contract.
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  Speaker 1: He gave him that contract because you traded Mookie Betts
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  Speaker 1: because lost Andre Bogartz. Betts was of course an awful move.
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  Speaker 1: Bogarts turned out to be okay because you didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to pay him all that money. But that contract was
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  Speaker 1: a reaction to some of the other issues that arose
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  Speaker 1: with the Red Sox. They give it to Raphael Devers
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  Speaker 1: and then two years later he's gone. This is the
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  Speaker 1: second year of that deal, second year of a ten year,
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and thirteen point five million dollar deal. And
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  Speaker 1: when you trace the evolution of this and there are sorry,
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  Speaker 1: there is plenty of blame to go around. But when
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  Speaker 1: you go back to the beginning here, how did this
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  Speaker 1: all start? It all started when the Red Sox failed
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  Speaker 1: to include or apprize Raphaeld Devers of what was going
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  Speaker 1: on with Alex Bregman. Now you can question Dever's reaction
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  Speaker 1: after that, his initial resistance to being a DH, his
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  Speaker 1: of course, refusal to play first base. I wrote about
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  Speaker 1: that a month ago in that column that we had
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  Speaker 1: the trade prediction of sorts, And in that column I said,
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  Speaker 1: moving a first base in the middle of the season
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  Speaker 1: is not so easy, and it would not have been
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  Speaker 1: easy for devs, And that was the thing that got
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  Speaker 1: lost here. But the problem I have with the Red Sox,
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  Speaker 1: the biggest problem I have with the Red Sox, is
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  Speaker 1: that this is a pattern, the Red Sox parting with
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  Speaker 1: a star an ugly divorce, not the first time this
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  Speaker 1: goes back. I don't know in the John Henry ownership
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  Speaker 1: to Terry Francona to John Lester to Mookie Betts that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily acrimonious They just didn't want to pay him
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  Speaker 1: what he thought he was worth. Bad decision on their
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  Speaker 1: part and Xander Bogartz to a certain extent too, but
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  Speaker 1: again that was a contractual thing. They just didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to go to the lens that San Diego did, and
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  Speaker 1: as it's turned out, Xander Bogarts doesn't look like he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be worth that money. Okay, but the pattern
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  Speaker 1: is clear here. And Ralphael Devers when he came up
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  Speaker 1: in his first years with the team, was never a
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  Speaker 1: guy that was considered a problem, a guy that was
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  Speaker 1: a malcontent. Now he made some questionable decisions of his
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  Speaker 1: own here when you criticize your head of baseball operations
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  Speaker 1: as he did with Craig Breslow, when he said, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what he has for me, what issues he
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  Speaker 1: has for me or with me. Yeah, that's a problem
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  Speaker 1: when you don't take leadership as a three hundred and
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  Speaker 1: thirteen point five million dollar player, when you duck the media,
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  Speaker 1: when you don't necessarily assume the responsibilities you would normally
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  Speaker 1: as the associate with the player of that caliber, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a problem. But again it goes back to the
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox not having a good conversation with him and
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  Speaker 1: not sitting him down in saying, Rafael, we're talking to
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  Speaker 1: Alex Bregman. You have come out publicly and said you
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  Speaker 1: want us to make this a better team, and he
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  Speaker 1: did do that. Well, okay, Raphael, here's what we're going
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  Speaker 1: to do. We're gonna try to sign Bregman. If not Bregman,
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  Speaker 1: maybe somebody else, and it might entail you becoming a DH,
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  Speaker 1: it might entail you playing first space. Let's get going
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  Speaker 1: with that. So that conversation apparently did not happen. And
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  Speaker 1: when that conversation did not happen, and then when the
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox signed Bregman, here's where the issue arose. And
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  Speaker 1: that's the problem here, that there was no communication. Now, again,
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  Speaker 1: Devers is not blameless, and the Red Sox ultimately in
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  Speaker 1: this particular case, might come out looking good because maybe
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  Speaker 1: the contract doesn't age well. In fact, it's probably not
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  Speaker 1: likely to age well. Right, he's twenty eight. Now, by
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  Speaker 1: the time the sucker is over, he's probably not going
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  Speaker 1: to be the player he is. Although DHS guys who
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  Speaker 1: are just pure hitters, they normally do age well. Actually, now,
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  Speaker 1: what he's going to do in the field, I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea. But it's going to be really interesting to
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  Speaker 1: see what the San Francisco Giants do with Ralphaeld Devers
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  Speaker 1: because Ralphaeld Devers now goes to the team that definitely
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  Speaker 1: has a need for him. They don't know though, where
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  Speaker 1: they're going to play him just yet. Now we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get into that in our next segment. But again,
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  Speaker 1: this is a Red Sox thing, and from what I've gathered,
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox fans are really upset this morning, and understandably so,
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  Speaker 1: because another star player is gone. A lynchpin of their
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  Speaker 1: organization is gone, a guy who is homegrown, guy who
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  Speaker 1: came up through their organization, won a World Series with them,
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  Speaker 1: did remarkable things with them in the postseason, and of
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  Speaker 1: course in the regular season. Two well, he's no longer
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  Speaker 1: a member of the Boston Red Sox. And there was
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  Speaker 1: another article today in The Athletic by Brendan Cuddy, I
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  Speaker 1: believe and Chris Kirshner are Yankees writers, and they said
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees are overjoyed by this, And yes, absolutely, the
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  Speaker 1: Yankees are overjoyed by this. Get Devers out of the
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  Speaker 1: division and out of the league, great thing. And when
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  Speaker 1: you satisfy your rival. When you make your rival happy,
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  Speaker 1: ordinarily that's a questionable move. This is a questionable move again.
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  Speaker 1: Francona Lester bets Bogarts and nowdevors Boston Red Sox. The
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  Speaker 1: All right, time now for the inside dish, the part
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  Speaker 1: maybe we just continue on with the biggest news of
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  Speaker 1: the day, the Raphael Devers trade. And now I want
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  Speaker 1: to look at it from the San Francisco Giants angle
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  Speaker 1: and from the National League West angle, because there's another
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  Speaker 1: huge development in the NL West and it's happening tonight.
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  Speaker 1: When shoey Otani returns to the mound. But first, the
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  Speaker 1: Giants and their perspective on this trade. Why they did it. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a baseball executive or even an analytically driven fan,
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  Speaker 1: and you're looking at the money and you're saying, well,
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  Speaker 1: the Giants are taking on all this money and Red
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  Speaker 1: Sox are saving it, they're in great position here. If
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  Speaker 1: you're just looking at it from that perspective, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I get it. But here's the thing with the Giants.
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  Speaker 1: They have spent years, years trying to get a slugger
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  Speaker 1: into their uniform, a guy who is a big time bat.
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  Speaker 1: It goes back to gian Carlos stan rejecting a trade
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  Speaker 1: to the Giants, and then in free agency it was
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  Speaker 1: one miss after another. It was Harper, it was Korea
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  Speaker 1: Kara of course for the physical reason, it was Otani,
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  Speaker 1: and it was Aaron Judge. All of those players rejected
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  Speaker 1: the Giants. They could not get that guy. And look
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  Speaker 1: at them this year. What are they They're third in
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  Speaker 1: the majors in era, tremendous pitching staff and they haven't
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  Speaker 1: even had Verlander. We'll see what he is once he
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  Speaker 1: gets back. Third in the era situation. But their offense
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  Speaker 1: is again questionable. They've run a lot of run run
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  Speaker 1: games that can go either way. Of course, they've had
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  Speaker 1: a really good start to their season. They're much more
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  Speaker 1: competitive than any of us thought in the first year
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  Speaker 1: under President of Baseball Operations Buster Posey, But they haven't
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  Speaker 1: had that bat. To get that bat, to pay what
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  Speaker 1: was necessary to pay for that bat, they made this trade.
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  Speaker 1: They made this trade because other outlets, as we've seen,
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  Speaker 1: were closed to them, So from that angle, from that perspective,
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  Speaker 1: this is a brilliant move for the Giants. Raphael Devers
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  Speaker 1: did not have a no trade clause. They acquired him cleanly,
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  Speaker 1: and he is theirs. He is going to transform them.
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  Speaker 1: Bob Melvin, their manager, quoted as saying, he's the kind
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  Speaker 1: of left handed hitter who can go the other way,
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  Speaker 1: who will fit well at Oracle Park Rafield Devers, we
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  Speaker 1: all know this. He's going to hit wherever he is now.
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  Speaker 1: The Giants gave up some things, most notably Kyle Harrison,
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  Speaker 1: who again was their top pitching prospect, and the kid
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  Speaker 1: James Tibbs, big time draft pick. He's a prospect too,
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  Speaker 1: and some might argue, well, they were taking on all
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  Speaker 1: that money. They shouldn't have given up really anything, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not the way this went down. And the Giants
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  Speaker 1: here they are. They're in a position where we never
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  Speaker 1: thought they would be at the start of the season.
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  Speaker 1: They're in competition with the Dodgers in the NLST played
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers tough this weekend. They look like a real
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  Speaker 1: threat in that division, a division where so many of us,
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  Speaker 1: including myself, thought the Dodgers were simply going to run away.
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  Speaker 1: Now the Giants clearly needed the left handed bat. The
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  Speaker 1: question is going to be, now, where are they going
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  Speaker 1: to play Devers. Matt Chapman is hurt right now, but
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  Speaker 1: he is their third baseman. You have Wilmer Flores, he's
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  Speaker 1: been their regular DH. And here's Susan Slusser tweeting last
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  Speaker 1: night for all of you asking Posey, zach Manijen, Bob
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  Speaker 1: Melvin will discuss how where they'll use Devers once they've
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  Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to him in person. That's
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  Speaker 1: to be announced decision, Posey said. Now, the obvious spot
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  Speaker 1: for Devers is first base. What have the Giants done
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  Speaker 1: at first base this year? They've been one of the
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  Speaker 1: five worst teams in the Major leagues. In terms of ops.
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  Speaker 1: They released Lamontway junior. They've brought in Dominic Smith as
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  Speaker 1: a stop gap. That is where their need is. So
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  Speaker 1: they might be thinking, well, wait, Devers won play first
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  Speaker 1: base for the Red Sox, why would he play first
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  Speaker 1: base for the Giants? Different situation, fresh start. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: feel betrayed rightly or wrongly by the Giants. So I
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  Speaker 1: imagine that conversation is going to take place with Devers
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  Speaker 1: and if they give him enough of a ramp up,
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  Speaker 1: allow him to kind of along slowly as he learns
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  Speaker 1: the position, which is a nuanced position. It is not
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  Speaker 1: simply as easy as going over there and catching throws
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  Speaker 1: from the other infielders. People who think that are sadly mistaken.
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  Speaker 1: It would take him time to do this, and he's
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  Speaker 1: not the most athletic guy to begin with. That was
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  Speaker 1: part of the reason he didn't want to do this
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of a season. He knows who he
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  Speaker 1: is defensively, in my opinion, and he knows this would
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  Speaker 1: not have been easy for him, and he would have
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  Speaker 1: risked embarrassment and he would have risked hurting the team.
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  Speaker 1: Those risks would still exist if he does this with
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  Speaker 1: the Giants. But that is a spot where they need him,
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  Speaker 1: and that is where this is likely to at least
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  Speaker 1: be a conversation. Now, for Buster Posey, this is the
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  Speaker 1: biggest move obviously since he became the head of baseball
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  Speaker 1: operations for the Giants. Signed Willia Domas, that was a
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  Speaker 1: big one. They gave Chapman the extension, that was a
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  Speaker 1: big one. But this dwarf's all of that. This gets
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  Speaker 1: them the guy who is not going to be Barry Bonds,
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  Speaker 1: no one ever will be, of course, but someone who
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  Speaker 1: will be that kind of presence they hope in their
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  Speaker 1: lineup for years to come. Now, yeah, you talk about
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  Speaker 1: the contract and it's likely to age poorly, and you
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  Speaker 1: could even say, you know what, the Red Sox didn't
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  Speaker 1: need to jump here. I wrote this. They could have
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  Speaker 1: waited until the offseason, surveyed the industry used Devers as
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  Speaker 1: a hedge against Alex Bregman, and if Alex Bregman opted out,
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  Speaker 1: you still got Devors to play third base, or you
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  Speaker 1: could trade devs. You have multiple options. What the Red
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  Speaker 1: Sox found in the Giants was a willing taker and
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  Speaker 1: a willing taker immediately, and they probably thought this opportunity
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  Speaker 1: might not arise again, we're getting rid of all the money.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting these players. We're good, okay, And I would
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: imagine you're gonna see quotes in the next day or two,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: maybe even in things I write from rival executives saying
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the Giants got ripped off here. They took on all
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: that money, they gave up the talent. They shouldn't have
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: done all that well. At the same time, hey, they
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: got the guy they needed. All right. Now the larger
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: question the NL West, how that's all going to play out? Now?
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Otani comes back tonight, very surprising that he's back this early.
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  Speaker 1: The Red Sox. I mean that the Dodgers we're slow
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: playing this the entire season, and he will be the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: starting pitcher, as they announced last night tonight against the Padres.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: It's only going to be for one inning, but Otani
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: as a starting pitcher gives the Dodgers a huge edge.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: He enables them to carry effectively a fourteenth pitcher. There's
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: a maximum of thirteen, but because Otani is designated as
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a two way player, he is a guy that can
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: pitch and be a position player and be the fourteenth
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: pitcher in essence. Now, one inning tonight he's going to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: have to build up over time. He will continue to
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: DH even after he is removed from the game. That's
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the Otani rule that was introduced a few years ago.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And you might ask, why is this happening so soon
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: when the Dodgers kept saying all Star Breaker beyond, it's
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Otani's call. And I would like to sit here and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: say reflects the urgency because the division's heating up. I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: don't believe that's the case at all. The Dodgers have
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: acted with urgency this season. Got rid of Chris Taylor,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: got rid of Austin Barnes, brought up Dalton Rushing, brought
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: up heights on Kim because they were feeling the heat
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and they're still feeling the heat and
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: they still have all these other pitching injuries and that
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to deal with. But at the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: same time, they are a team that obviously is going
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to treat shoey Otani right. They're paying them all that money.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Granted they're paying him that in twenty ninety whatever, but
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: they're paying it to him and they want him healthy
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: and they want this to be right. So very obviously
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers here are going to try to build up Otani,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: make him as regular a part of the rotation as
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: he can be by October. That's been the plan all along.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But if you're asking me if this is the Dodgers
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: making this call and rushing him because of the division race,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: know this is pretty clearly Otani's call. So we have
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the nl West. We have the Diamondbacks, who, even after
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: losing Corbyn Burns, even after losing Justin Martinez, refused to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: go away. They are a team where on MLB Network
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Radio yesterday, their general manager Mike Haysen said, we are
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: not intending to sell, We are intending to buy. We
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: are trying. Hazen has been adamant in his entire tenure
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: about not going backwards. He hates the idea of rebuilding,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: hates the idea of punting a season. So I don't
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: expect the Diamondbacks to do that unless they collapse. Then
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: there are the Padres. The Padres, remember they had that
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: amazing start, they went fourteen and three, but then twenty
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: five and twenty eight. Since then, questions about whether Michael
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: King will return, questions about you, Darvish. They're teetering a
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: little bit here, but they've got Aj Preller, their general manager,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: waiting to do something at the deadline. He's going to
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: be challenged, but I expect the Padres to be active.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So in reflection, final reflection, the NL West over the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: last twenty four hours got a whole lot more interesting
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and it's going to be a lot of fun to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: watch this division the rest of the season.
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• 22:19
  Speaker 1: All. Right, time now for Grill and Ken the part
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: of the show, I take your questions, and like last week,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: we are also taking questions from chat BCC. That's a
• 22:27
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• 22:30
  Speaker 1: totally free and join the conversation. All right, let's get
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: to the first question from Martha Brennan, who asked, is
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: this Devers trade another? No more Garcia Para oh four trade? Ie?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Exactly what the socks need to excel this season? Martha,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that's a really good question, and you've got a good memory.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: A trade of course was twenty one years ago, but
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: it's not quite the same. Garcia Para was disgruntled he
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: hadn't gotten a contract extension. They had tried to trade
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: him previously. If you were they were trying to trade
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Manny for a Rod, and then Garcia Power was going
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to go to the White Sox for Magli Ordoniez, but
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it fell apart because a Rod was given up too
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: much money, the Union didn't approve it. We all know
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: what happened after that. Yes he was disgruntled, and yes
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: they did trade him. It was a four team shocking
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: trade at the deadline, maybe a little after the deadline,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: We'll never know. But the difference is the Red Sox
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: in that trade got two players that they needed, dougman
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Kavich first baseman and shortstop Orlando Cabrera theo Epstein. Then
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the GM had said this was the Red Sox fatal
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: flaw their defense. That's why he acquired those two guys.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: And of course what happened. The Red Sox went on
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to break the curse and win the World Series for
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the first time since nineteen eighteen. Thank you Martha for
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: that question. The next one comes from Shane, who asks,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: is Dave Martinez on the hot seat in Washington? Okay,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: fair question too. Nationals have lost eight straight games, only
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: one game ahead of the Marlins at this point, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: David Martinez is in the last guaranteed year of his contract,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of natural to wonder what's up with
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: this team since twenty nineteen when they won the World Series.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Since then, from twenty twenty two now, only one team
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: in baseball has lost more game than the Nationals. Only
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: one team, the Colorado Rockies, only team with more losses
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: than the Nationals. So David Martinez, you would think might
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: be in trouble, and maybe he is, but Mike Rizzo,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: their president Baseball Operations, has pretty staunchly supported Martinez throughout.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I remember I did a story of managers on the
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: hot seat story a little bit earlier in the season,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: maybe April, and at that point Rizzo vocally said, yeah,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: he's my guy. He's a good person and good manager.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: So I don't know that I expect to change. But
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: there's a column I wrote a couple of weeks ago
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Nationals remained among MLB's bottom feeders despite lengthy rebuild. At
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that point, Rizzo came out and went on the radio
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: in Washington and said, I questioned the timing of this article.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: We're playing better, and they were at the time they
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: were playing better. Well, maybe I should have waited until
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: now because the article still applies, and yes, Davey Martinez
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: might be in trouble, if not right away down the line,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: but the Nationals have far greater issues issues in player development,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: international and amateur scouting. So from all of those angles
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and those perspectives, that's where the greater problem is. It's
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: been a team that has been rebuilding for a while
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: now and they still haven't gotten it right. Thanks everyone,
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