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Santa Fe shooter, a teen boy church dance team member & JV football player, seen joking at waterpark day before massacre · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: on sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. A teen
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Speaker 1: boy opens fire in a Texas high school, gunning down
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Speaker 1: ten people. This morning, we pick up the pieces as
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Speaker 1: we learn this kid, this boy had been studying previous
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Speaker 1: mass shooters, using what he learned when he carried out
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Speaker 1: his own massacre. I mean, it's Grace, this, it's crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. How can we stop it?
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Speaker 1: Who is this team boy killer? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: one child that lived to tell the tale. Here another
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Speaker 1: loud banging. A look over and I see a guy
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Speaker 1: with pistol and a longer guns on him. I jumped
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Speaker 1: under the table, heard another loud bang, and I flipped
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Speaker 1: the table up in front of me for some protection.
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Speaker 1: These people are like, let's go, let's go. And I
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Speaker 1: just took off running a so idea that I had
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Speaker 1: been shot yet it went in through the back of
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Speaker 1: my head, just right kind of in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the back of my head, and they came out right here.
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Speaker 1: I took off running out the door and there's seven
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Speaker 1: foot wall out there. Just my adrenaline is so high
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Speaker 1: that just propelled myself over the wall. He got shot
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Speaker 1: and then the back of the head at See one.
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Speaker 1: He could have been a quadriplegic. And it went in clean.
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Speaker 1: And when the doctor told me it went in clean
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Speaker 1: and it went out clean. I just feel lucky to
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Speaker 1: be here. I just I just wish this didn't happen.
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Speaker 1: It shouldn't happen to anybody in that school. Nobody, nobody
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Speaker 1: deserves that. You know, so often we catch ourselves to actually.
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Speaker 1: Willcott juvenile judge lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com,
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Speaker 1: also with the Investigative Reporter with crime stories John Limley.
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, l A psychoanalyst, Vincent Hill, private investigator,
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Speaker 1: and David Kat's former d E, A agent and active
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Speaker 1: shooter expert. As she willcot so many times that we say,
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Speaker 1: why did this happen to me? Why did that happen
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Speaker 1: to me? Here is a child that lived, that was
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Speaker 1: shot in the head and lived. It's a miracle, I
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Speaker 1: would say, Ashley, Yeah, it absolutely is. And can you
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Speaker 1: imagine you send your kids to school where they should
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Speaker 1: be safe, where you think they're safe, where you think
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Speaker 1: that they're getting the education they need, they deserve, and
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Speaker 1: then you find out, oh wait, another school shooting. It's
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Speaker 1: an absolute miracle that this boy survived. You know what
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this morning, Dr Bethany Marshall and
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Speaker 1: all of you experts, Vincent Hill, Davy Catch John Leely,
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Speaker 1: just hold on a moment where we ladies are talking.
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Speaker 1: Mom to mom's sister to sister. Dr Bethany. This morning,
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Speaker 1: when I dropped the children at school, I looked out
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Speaker 1: at them and Lucy had on this really heavy backpackcause
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Speaker 1: she's taking a project and stuffed in't really heavy, and
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Speaker 1: she was wearing a scort. You know, it looks like
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Speaker 1: a skirl on the outside when it's really short Saturday,
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Speaker 1: and the scort had was caught in the backpack, so
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Speaker 1: little skirt part was caught up under her backpack. You
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Speaker 1: could see her shorts. And I knew that although you
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Speaker 1: didn't see her underwear, you could see her shorts, that
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Speaker 1: that was totally She's the kind of person that would
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Speaker 1: be read all day long. So I yelled out through
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Speaker 1: the window just to John Davis, said tell Lucy to
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Speaker 1: fix her skirt in the back and then I drove
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Speaker 1: away and I turned and I just broke down in
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Speaker 1: tears because I thought of all those parents I was
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Speaker 1: worried about Lucy's scort, okay, and all those parents that
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Speaker 1: left their children that day and they never saw them
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Speaker 1: alive again. They got a text or a phone call, hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry,
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Speaker 1: and you know immediately that something is horribly wrong. Dr Bethany,
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Speaker 1: you know Nancy. And there was one parent her daughter
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Speaker 1: texted her, and the parents started furiously texting her daughter's friends, saying,
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Speaker 1: don't text my daughter because she knew her daughter was
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Speaker 1: holed up in a closet and the mother did not
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Speaker 1: want the killer to find her daughter. To me, I
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Speaker 1: can't imagine that agony the mother went through. And in
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Speaker 1: terms of grief, you know what it's like to be
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Speaker 1: a parent. You put all of your energy, your time,
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Speaker 1: your attachment, your love, your focus into this child, and
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Speaker 1: then it just comes to an abrupt halt. There's no
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Speaker 1: breakfast the next morning, there's no homework that you're going
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Speaker 1: to help your child with. There's no future. And I
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Speaker 1: once heard about grieving. Grieving is disillusionment. When you grieve,
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Speaker 1: you dismantle your illusion that you will have a future
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Speaker 1: with this person as you imagined it. So those parents
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Speaker 1: are not only thinking about the trauma. The parents who
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Speaker 1: have lost a child, they their minds are going through
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Speaker 1: everything they hoped for for this child, college weddings, family outings,
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Speaker 1: and adjusting to the fact that those things will never happen,
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Speaker 1: all because of this one shooter. You know, Dr Bethany,
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Speaker 1: you're ripping my heart into because I'm sure I call
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Speaker 1: these other parents in Texas, that's my whole life. I
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Speaker 1: gear everything toward them getting out of school that night.
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Speaker 1: What are we going to be doing? What am I
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Speaker 1: gonna make for dinner? What project do we have to
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Speaker 1: work on? What soccer practice. And it's not that I'm
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Speaker 1: a rat on a treadmill running. I want to do
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Speaker 1: it all. Sometimes my husband will say, oh, let me
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Speaker 1: take them to soccer practice. I'm like, no, I want
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Speaker 1: to go. You want to get all the fun. No,
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Speaker 1: it's just I'm thinking about all these parents this morning. UM,
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Speaker 1: I want you to listen to students telling us from
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Speaker 1: their own mouth, in their own words, what they saw.
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Speaker 1: My friend heard he saw a guy welcome to the
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Speaker 1: gun and uh so he pulled the fire alarm and
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Speaker 1: we were all standing outside back and then uh, the
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Speaker 1: teacher started, you know, freaking out. They were saying, you know,
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Speaker 1: back up, and then Vaughan, Mr. Mr Vaughan said run,
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Speaker 1: so everybody took off. I heard three shots and then
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Speaker 1: I grabbed her. We ran to the trees over here
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Speaker 1: to get out of you know site, and then uh,
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Speaker 1: I called my mom and I heard four more shots.
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Speaker 1: So we came to this uh car wash over here,
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Speaker 1: and then I met with my mom and everything and
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Speaker 1: heard about everything. And there was a girl that we
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Speaker 1: saw coming this way towards the car wash and she uh,
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Speaker 1: she had a bandage around her kneecap. She apparently got
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Speaker 1: shot in the kneecap and she was sitting in the
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Speaker 1: car something like that, and someone came and got her
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Speaker 1: some environment. And then from there we've just been trying
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Speaker 1: to hear everything that's been going on. I was just
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Speaker 1: sitting in class and all of a sudden, the firewarm
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Speaker 1: went off. I thought it was just a fire drill,
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Speaker 1: so we went outside. I left my bag inside and
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Speaker 1: I met up with him, and then all these teachers
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Speaker 1: telling us to get back, and then UH, people were
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Speaker 1: like running and leaving, and then they were like come back,
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Speaker 1: like don't run off, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: we heard like three like pops, like gun shots, So
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Speaker 1: then we all just took off running. Uh. He grabbed
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Speaker 1: my hand and we ran, and then we ran through
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Speaker 1: the bushes and I got caught in the barbed wire
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Speaker 1: and got a cut on my ankle um. And then
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Speaker 1: we heard more shots and the street next to that
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Speaker 1: car wash, and then we went to the car wash
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Speaker 1: and waited, and then his mom showed up. I heard
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Speaker 1: around four to five shots, I don't know. As soon
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Speaker 1: as I figured out what they were, I started to
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Speaker 1: run to hide. So students reported hearing the fire alarm
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Speaker 1: first and then the shots. Is that what that kind
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Speaker 1: of sequence events for? You know? I heard the shots first,
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Speaker 1: and then the alarms went off. After I hid, we
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Speaker 1: were all in a line and there were lots of
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Speaker 1: lots of swats and police around. They escort us all out.
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Speaker 1: We were in a single file line and we came
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Speaker 1: down here to the chevron um. I was thinking it
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Speaker 1: was going to happen. Eventually, it happens. It's been happening everywhere.
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Speaker 1: I was ready to run out, but my teacher told
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Speaker 1: me to hide instead, so that's what I did. With
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Speaker 1: the fire drill went off, and we all thought it
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Speaker 1: was the fire drill, so we walked out normally, and
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I hear and they're pushing
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Speaker 1: us closer to that fits well. Then a coach comes
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Speaker 1: or a teacher comes and starts yellinized run run, So
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Speaker 1: we're running across the highway and then we just had
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Speaker 1: to keep running. And then we went to Indian Automotive
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Speaker 1: and they hit us there for a while, and then
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Speaker 1: we walked out and that was pretty much it. I'm
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Speaker 1: just imagining that moment when the students turned to the
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Speaker 1: teacher and the teacher says, run, run, with me is
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Speaker 1: David Kat's former d e A and active shooter expert,
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Speaker 1: John Linley, investigative reporter Vincent Hill, Bethany Marshall, Ashley Willcott,
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Speaker 1: John Linley, what do we know about how the shooting
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Speaker 1: went down? Well, the school day Nancy had just gotten underway.
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Speaker 1: That's how this case is different from the other twenty
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Speaker 1: one twenty two school shootings this year alone. Uh, it's
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Speaker 1: around seven o'clock with just days to go before summer vacation.
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Speaker 1: This is a Friday, so students are naturally excited about
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Speaker 1: all of this. This is always a tough time to
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Speaker 1: be a teacher because it's a challenge for them to
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Speaker 1: keep the student's attention for longer than thirty seconds at
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Speaker 1: a time. Now, one of those students was the one
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Speaker 1: that we heard from at the very outset of the
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Speaker 1: program today. His name is Rome Schubert. He's a sophomore
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Speaker 1: at Santa Fe High School. He walked into art class
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Speaker 1: Friday morning at seven oh three, as he usually does
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Speaker 1: to finish a project before school gets started. UM a
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Speaker 1: little bit about him. He's a star pitcher on the
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Speaker 1: baseball team. He had thrown eleven strikeouts in the team's
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Speaker 1: playoff game the night before while giving up no earned runs,
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Speaker 1: but was still agonizing over the team's for to zero loss. Now,
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Speaker 1: about forty minutes later, a gunman walks into the classroom
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Speaker 1: and starts shooting. As we heard, Rome said he heard
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Speaker 1: a loud pop from the hallway but really didn't think
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Speaker 1: anything about it at first. After more shots were fired,
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Speaker 1: he jumped to the floor pushed a table between himself
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Speaker 1: and the entrance to the classroom. Uh and they again
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Speaker 1: were in art class. This is what was the first
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Speaker 1: classroom that the shooter entered that morning. Uh. Rome said
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Speaker 1: that he actually saw the gunman's legs covered by a
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Speaker 1: trench coat as he walked right past him and fired
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Speaker 1: at the ground right next to him. He was carrying
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Speaker 1: both a shotgun and a handgun. At first, Rome thought
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Speaker 1: the shooter might have been firing blanks to scare students,
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Speaker 1: but then he realized very quickly that the rounds were
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Speaker 1: live when he saw a student covered in blood next
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Speaker 1: to him, and as we've heard, acting on pure adrenaline,
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Speaker 1: um he sprinded to a rear exit in the room
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Speaker 1: and bounded over a seven foot wall. At this point,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't even realize that he himself has been shot
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Speaker 1: in the back of the head. Oh, my stars, doesn't
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Speaker 1: realize he's been shot in the back of the head.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to David Kat's former d E
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Speaker 1: A agent and active shooter expert. But first, David, I
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Speaker 1: want you to hear the dispatch call. Santa Fe PDS
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Speaker 1: requested mutulated having a shooting at the high school. Have
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Speaker 1: an officer dawn shooter LA in custody Santa f A
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Speaker 1: I C connected dickon cinematic one needs you to say
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Speaker 1: for shooting at Santa Fe School six hundred otaway six
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Speaker 1: and each for Santa Fe student at the school end
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Speaker 1: of the building the location I'm staging right now. What's what? Fire?
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Speaker 1: More shots fired and snow shots fired? We have several
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Speaker 1: shots fired, mostibly one or two rooms in this area
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Speaker 1: that we're at. Where are you? Let's stay down there
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Speaker 1: Thanks ay many TV for stantardays when you stall shooting
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Speaker 1: stigum So seven or four, we're coming up the front
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Speaker 1: need to see his coverage on the outside. We believe
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Speaker 1: you barricaded in Stine. We need flop that we're shooting.
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Speaker 1: He's in your room. We've got got shots. Fire right now, guys,
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Speaker 1: we need off you anybody else Actually I'm talking to
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Speaker 1: them now. Well, at least and with my hand. All units,
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Speaker 1: all units. There possibly bomber momb somewhere in this area. Wow.
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Speaker 1: David Kat's former g E, a active shooter expert. At first,
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Speaker 1: they thought it was a pressure cooker bomb, some of
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Speaker 1: them did. Anyway, how do you analyze what has happened? Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean just you could hear the absolute chaos, which
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Speaker 1: is so so common in every one of these incidents.
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Speaker 1: But uh, the first and most the most important than
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Speaker 1: to realize it is in this particular case, unlike what
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Speaker 1: happened in Parkland, the officers went in and confronted the suspect.
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Speaker 1: I was down in Houston. This was just I just
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Speaker 1: team boy opens fire in a Texas high school, mowing
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Speaker 1: What can we learn to David Kat's former g E
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Speaker 1: A agent active shooter expert, What do we know about
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Speaker 1: this boy. Keep it keeps saying that there are no
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Speaker 1: red flex but that's not going to be true in
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Speaker 1: this As we go deep with the dustigation, I can
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Speaker 1: guarantee with certainty that this guy had had a number
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Speaker 1: but on actually on the perpetrators. And one of the
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Speaker 1: maybe was the number of of you know, warning signs
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Speaker 1: and things that were common in the person who perpetrated
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Speaker 1: persons who perpetrated these attacks. One of the things they
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Speaker 1: talk about, it's a fascination with prior mass attack incidents.
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Speaker 1: This guy evidence that they talk about stresses in their life.
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Speaker 1: They talk about a number of things, and they also
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Speaker 1: talk about a a personality disorder called aggressive narcissism. And
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a limb here
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Speaker 1: and say, when you look at this kid, you're going
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Speaker 1: to find him to be very very consistent with the profile.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of its kind of going against the reporting
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Speaker 1: that's happening now. But there there is no possibility that
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Speaker 1: someone was just a normal everyday kid and and somebody
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Speaker 1: a warning, particularly the parents. Well what do you make
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Speaker 1: of this? To Dr Bethany Marshall l a psychoanalyst, and
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Speaker 1: then to you, Ashley, what do you make of the
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Speaker 1: little girl victim that had rejected, as she said, his
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Speaker 1: creepy advances just before the shooting, he singled her out
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Speaker 1: and shot her dead. M hm m hm. Well, one
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Speaker 1: of those things we see with mass shooters is a
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Speaker 1: perceived power differential between them and at least one other
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Speaker 1: person or the public, And sometimes that relates to a
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Speaker 1: recent loss, like they've lost the job, they've lost money,
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Speaker 1: they've lost the love relationship, so this could have been
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Speaker 1: perceived of as a loss. The other thing we see
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Speaker 1: I like the use of the term aggressive narcissism. I
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Speaker 1: would use the term malignant narcissist. That's what we use
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Speaker 1: in my field. But the narcissist experiences the reactions of
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Speaker 1: every betty around them as a slight the diminishment. They
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Speaker 1: feel easily insulted um attacked. So when they're turned down,
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Speaker 1: even in minor benign ways, they feel deflated and attacked,
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Speaker 1: and then they want to go on the attack. So
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Speaker 1: my understanding is that this little girl, after she approached
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Speaker 1: her relentlessly for four months, she stood up in the
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Speaker 1: middle of a class classroom and said, basically, I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to go out with you. And to me, that
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Speaker 1: could have been the final insult, diminishment, power differential, where
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Speaker 1: he just wanted to go back in mow her down
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Speaker 1: and everybody else in his past. That little girl, Shanna
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Speaker 1: Fish are just absolutely gorgeous. A teen girl. She died
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Speaker 1: in the attack, and her parents say she had at
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Speaker 1: least four months of problems from this boy. Her father, Timothy,
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Speaker 1: says that his daughter Shanna actually predicted the trench coat
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Speaker 1: wearing teen shooter would harm her after she rejected him.
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Speaker 1: She told her mother two weeks ago, I know this
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Speaker 1: guy is gonna come and kill me. I know this
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Speaker 1: guy's gonna come and kill me. And if he does,
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Speaker 1: if he comes into the school with a gun, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna haunt him the rest of his life. Those were
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Speaker 1: the teen girl's words. She was so scared as she
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Speaker 1: will cut You have three children a teen went about
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Speaker 1: to be a teen. I mean to take rejection. I
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Speaker 1: mean I felt rejected every single day of high school.
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Speaker 1: I thought everybody felt that way, but this is this
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Speaker 1: is so hard to take in and we live in
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Speaker 1: a new world, Nancy. So part of my job is
21:51
Speaker 1: a juvenile court judges. I have to look at warrants
21:54
Speaker 1: to determine if there's probable cause. And a lot of
21:57
Speaker 1: the warrants that I see come in now are specifically
21:59
Speaker 1: about kids at schools who make threats of shooting people,
22:04
Speaker 1: of bringing bombs, of bringing guns to school. And so
22:07
Speaker 1: what I've seen repeatedly is number one, it is true
22:12
Speaker 1: there are signs with these kids who are making these
22:15
Speaker 1: threats and following through with them or not. And this
22:18
Speaker 1: is a sure sign. This girl knew in her gut.
22:22
Speaker 1: Trust your gut. These kids we need to respect. They
22:25
Speaker 1: know what the other kids are like. And so if
22:27
Speaker 1: you have a kid ever saying, oh my gosh, this
22:30
Speaker 1: person creeps me out, or this person I swear they're
22:33
Speaker 1: gonna kill me. They're gonna come to school, they're gonna
22:35
Speaker 1: bring a gun, that is something everyone needs to act
22:38
Speaker 1: on because it's a whole different world we live in.
22:41
Speaker 1: To protect our children, we cannot assume that that's not
22:44
Speaker 1: gonna happen anymore. To John Lineley Crime Stories investigative reporter,
22:48
Speaker 1: what can you tell about Tell me about this kid,
22:52
Speaker 1: this team boy actually planting bombs? Right, he had obviously
22:58
Speaker 1: been working on bombs as well. From what police say,
23:03
Speaker 1: he hadn't quite perfected this part of his plan. They
23:07
Speaker 1: found pieces of bombs both in the school and at
23:13
Speaker 1: his home. One of those was a Molotov cocktail. Uh.
23:17
Speaker 1: They are still investigating if there are other bombs that
23:21
Speaker 1: he possibly planted, and who knows, maybe one of these
23:25
Speaker 1: was one that could have done some damage. Luckily, Uh,
23:29
Speaker 1: it was the two guns alone that created the carnage
23:35
Speaker 1: on Friday. You know, his family describes him as quiet
23:40
Speaker 1: and sweet, and apparently he became more and more aggressive
23:45
Speaker 1: with the little girl Shanna, until she finally rejected him
23:49
Speaker 1: publicly in class, according to the mother. Now what does
23:54
Speaker 1: this mean? This romantic rejection seems to take place just
23:59
Speaker 1: one week before the attack. I mean, think about it,
24:04
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, private investigator, guns, pressure cooker bombs, Molotov cocktails.
24:09
Speaker 1: How could his parents not have known what was going on?
24:12
Speaker 1: Don't they ever go in his room? Nancy said it best,
24:16
Speaker 1: And I'll go back to what the the agent, the
24:18
Speaker 1: age agent said as well, when are we going to
24:20
Speaker 1: start policing our children. I mean, look, it was ninety
24:23
Speaker 1: degrees when this shooting occurred. He leaves the house in
24:27
Speaker 1: a trench code, and it seems to be that the
24:29
Speaker 1: fallback always is, oh, he was a great kid. But
24:33
Speaker 1: I can tell you if my son left the house
24:34
Speaker 1: in ninety degree weather in a trench coat, I'm gonna
24:37
Speaker 1: stop him at the door and say where are you going.
24:40
Speaker 1: I assure you I checked his bag when he leaves
24:42
Speaker 1: for school. I checked his bag when he comes home,
24:44
Speaker 1: and he's seventeen. These are things we have to do
24:47
Speaker 1: as parents, because at some point we need to start
24:50
Speaker 1: holding these parents responsible for what their kids do when
24:54
Speaker 1: they go to these schools and they kill this many people.
24:57
Speaker 1: I mean there were warning side aimes to davy Kat's
25:01
Speaker 1: former d E, a active shooter expert on his Facebook page. Uh,
25:07
Speaker 1: but Cort says, shares photos of a black t shirt
25:11
Speaker 1: that says born to kill across the front. Other photos
25:15
Speaker 1: that were on his page the very same day showed
25:19
Speaker 1: dark a dark colored trench coat decked out with the
25:22
Speaker 1: Nazi iron cross and a Communist hammer and sickle. There
25:28
Speaker 1: are photos showing a handgun and a knife on his
25:32
Speaker 1: what we believe to be his Instagram account. I mean,
25:37
Speaker 1: if my and I prosecuted a lot, a lot of
25:40
Speaker 1: gun violence, David, this gun looks evil. It almost looks
25:45
Speaker 1: as if it's been spray painted black along with the knife.
25:48
Speaker 1: Even the even the the sharp end of the nine
25:53
Speaker 1: is black, and other all of the equipment. It looks
25:57
Speaker 1: like it's been spray painted black, David Kats What parents
26:02
Speaker 1: doesn't know this? I mean, every day when the twins
26:04
Speaker 1: come home, I unpack their backpacks. I know what's in there.
26:07
Speaker 1: How can you not know your kid it looks like
26:10
Speaker 1: they're on a bed also on his bad How can
26:13
Speaker 1: you not know your kid has access to automatic weapons?
26:19
Speaker 1: Well he had, I don't know. I don't know what
26:21
Speaker 1: what's in the house and such. I mean, I've been
26:24
Speaker 1: I've been a shooter for over fifty years now, and
26:26
Speaker 1: my children know how to handle what this in a
26:29
Speaker 1: in a safe and appropriate manner. But in this particular case,
26:34
Speaker 1: the the fact that he's displaying that that's fascination with weapons,
26:38
Speaker 1: that's an indicator of a of a perpetrator of violent act.
26:41
Speaker 1: The fact that he's able to apparently apparently there was
26:45
Speaker 1: some offside dead a trailer who was able to go
26:47
Speaker 1: to go there and assemble these these um fortunately nonfunctional
26:51
Speaker 1: explosion advices. How do you how do you not know? Well,
26:54
Speaker 1: you're not engaged with your child. And we see this,
26:56
Speaker 1: we see this endemic in the country because you know,
27:01
Speaker 1: as your other guests have pointed out, as a parent,
27:03
Speaker 1: you need to insert yourself in every aspect of your
27:05
Speaker 1: child's life period and the idea. For example, this kid,
27:09
Speaker 1: this kid apparently didn't just leave the house of the
27:10
Speaker 1: trench coat that day that that was his that was
27:13
Speaker 1: his style. I don't know if he was doing that
27:15
Speaker 1: to desensitize folks that if you know to the day
27:19
Speaker 1: he finally came in with a weapon underneath the coat.
27:21
Speaker 1: But that trench coat, that is a that is a
27:24
Speaker 1: homage if you will to to the Columbine. If you
27:28
Speaker 1: can't look a look at all those warning sides and
27:30
Speaker 1: say this kid is has an issue that we need
27:33
Speaker 1: to deal with, there's something wrong at all of us.
27:36
Speaker 1: You know, this shows me that he knew exactly what
27:40
Speaker 1: he was doing and he intended to do it to
27:43
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall listened to this. A little girl named
27:47
Speaker 1: Isabel survived by lying motionless for nearly an hour on
27:51
Speaker 1: the floor of a barricaded closet, lying beside dead bodies
27:57
Speaker 1: of her classmates, and then sell phone all over the
28:01
Speaker 1: classroom start ringing. And this kid, the shooter, is taunting
28:07
Speaker 1: the other children who were hiding in the closet by asking,
28:10
Speaker 1: do you think the phones for you? You think that's
28:13
Speaker 1: for you? You want to come answer it? Then he
28:16
Speaker 1: fires bullets into the closet trying to get in. I mean,
28:23
Speaker 1: he knew what he was doing, He intended to do this.
28:25
Speaker 1: This That shows his sadism absolutely. And you know, the shooters,
28:34
Speaker 1: there's never been one shooter that we've covered or in
28:38
Speaker 1: US history that I've known about, who has not written
28:42
Speaker 1: about or predicted the crime somewhere. They love to write
28:46
Speaker 1: about it before they carry out the crime, so you know,
28:50
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, it could be UM
28:52
Speaker 1: writing in a journal, writing letters to their teachers or
28:55
Speaker 1: to the principle. Now it seems to be writing on
28:59
Speaker 1: the internet, um showing videos. The preparations for the crime
29:05
Speaker 1: is as important to them as the crime itself, because
29:09
Speaker 1: what they're planning on doing is having their glory day,
29:14
Speaker 1: reversing the power differential, pushing back psychically into the students
29:21
Speaker 1: their own feeling of having been bullied and diminished. You've
29:24
Speaker 1: bullied me, you've diminished me. I'm going to have power
29:28
Speaker 1: over you. But but the act of shooting is just
29:32
Speaker 1: the kuda gra of something that is usually planned for
29:35
Speaker 1: a long, long time. So back to what you're saying.
29:39
Speaker 1: You know, the phones are ringing, and he's saying, was
29:41
Speaker 1: that for you? Is that for you? He and his
29:43
Speaker 1: mind believe he's been bullied by these students. That's the
29:47
Speaker 1: state of mind he's in. So now he's bullying them.
29:51
Speaker 1: It's it's a reversal of swords. Um. And so when
29:54
Speaker 1: you said how could the parents not know? You can
29:57
Speaker 1: know it's there. It's it's not. It doesn't take a
30:01
Speaker 1: PhD to figure out if somebody's going to go shoot somebody.
30:04
Speaker 1: There are very clear indicators, And in my mind, what
30:08
Speaker 1: the person writes and puts on their social media is
30:11
Speaker 1: the easiest way to determine if there's a motivation to
30:15
Speaker 1: go kill people. What do we know about this Texas
30:19
Speaker 1: shoot or this boy? We know that he played JV football,
30:23
Speaker 1: We know that he was on a church dance team.
30:28
Speaker 1: We know a lot about him, but we don't know
30:31
Speaker 1: how this so called sweet quiet boy ended up causing this.
30:37
Speaker 1: She called me, she said, Mom, they're shots, and I
30:39
Speaker 1: said what she said? Their shots in the school, and
30:41
Speaker 1: she was crying. I turned around and just called it
30:45
Speaker 1: all the way to the school and I'm like, are
30:47
Speaker 1: we having another false alarm? Like, what's happening? That wasn't
30:50
Speaker 1: Obviously it wasn't a false alarm this time. She said, Mom,
30:53
Speaker 1: they're shot. I immediately turned around and said, I'm coming,
30:55
Speaker 1: I'm coming. I stayed on the phone at the time
30:57
Speaker 1: and just kept talking to her, cuts her to stay home,
31:00
Speaker 1: stay quiet until the police final let her out. I
31:03
Speaker 1: didn't know, what's a thing. I shouldn't been going through this.
31:08
Speaker 1: This is my daily life. I didn't not have to
31:11
Speaker 1: feel like that, and I was scared to even go by.
31:14
Speaker 1: It was nothing I would ever want another person to
31:16
Speaker 1: have to see. It was horrible. I looked up between
31:18
Speaker 1: the legs of a chair and he locked eyes with me.
31:20
Speaker 1: You made eye contact. I did make eye contact with him,
31:23
Speaker 1: and he had a he had a face of rage.
31:26
Speaker 1: He was mad. Why, I don't know. He first opened
31:30
Speaker 1: fire with a shotgun, in which he shot one of
31:32
Speaker 1: my other friends in the head and her body fell
31:33
Speaker 1: down not too far away from where I was into
31:35
Speaker 1: the table. That is when he turned like this and
31:38
Speaker 1: opened fire with the revolver. So he had two guns.
31:40
Speaker 1: He had too, a sawed off shotgun and then a revolver.
31:44
Speaker 1: And uh, students were running around screaming. One kid flipped
31:47
Speaker 1: a table up just for cover. Everybody just started running
31:50
Speaker 1: outside and next thing you know, everybody looks and you
31:54
Speaker 1: hear boom, boom boom, and I just ran. I was like, good,
32:00
Speaker 1: our sports so I can hide, and I called my mom.
32:04
Speaker 1: What do we know about this boy, the so called
32:07
Speaker 1: Santa f a school shooter. We know that he is
32:11
Speaker 1: a teen boy. He as a member, was a member
32:14
Speaker 1: of the Senate a high school jav football team, a
32:17
Speaker 1: member of a dance squad with a local Greek Orthodox
32:21
Speaker 1: church in factors the video of him dancing in a
32:23
Speaker 1: Greek Orthodox outfit, you know, shortly before the shooting. He's
32:27
Speaker 1: described as quiet and unassuming. We know he's an avid
32:31
Speaker 1: video game player. He routinely wore a black trench coat
32:37
Speaker 1: and black boots to class, but that would have just
32:40
Speaker 1: been written off as him being goth. Uh Pogort says
32:44
Speaker 1: was really in the video games that simulated war. According
32:48
Speaker 1: to his friends, he talked about guns. He talked about firearms,
32:54
Speaker 1: and he talked about liking them and wanted to get them,
32:57
Speaker 1: But he never really talked about killing people. He would
33:01
Speaker 1: sometimes in a room acting a little bit down or sad.
33:05
Speaker 1: He never said why. He apparently admits to authorities when
33:10
Speaker 1: he opened fire. He did not shoot students. He did
33:16
Speaker 1: like so he could have his story told. WHOA so
33:23
Speaker 1: he could have his story told? John Linley, Crime Stories,
33:27
Speaker 1: investigative reporter. What more do we know about him? And
33:31
Speaker 1: who to whom these guns belong? We know there was
33:35
Speaker 1: a shot off, sought off shotgun and a revolver who's
33:39
Speaker 1: worth they Well, they did not belong to the shooter himself,
33:43
Speaker 1: but they belonged to the father. This is something that
33:47
Speaker 1: was first reported in a special news conference from the
33:51
Speaker 1: Texas Governor. But sawt off shotguns, I remember the first
33:55
Speaker 1: time I prosecuted a case with somebody had a sawed
33:58
Speaker 1: off shotgun and I had never seen one. And for
34:02
Speaker 1: the rest of my time at the District Attorney's office,
34:06
Speaker 1: I kept that sawt off shotgun on a shelf to
34:10
Speaker 1: remind me what people are capable of doing. I would
34:15
Speaker 1: never have thought to turn that Vincent Hill private Eye
34:20
Speaker 1: a shotgun literally saw it off, just not too far
34:24
Speaker 1: past the handle. That's illegal, isn't it, Vincent to have
34:28
Speaker 1: a sawt off shotgun? Yeah, Nancy, it's illegal. In in in
34:32
Speaker 1: my experience, in my police days, it was never used
34:34
Speaker 1: for anything good, if you know what I mean. Most
34:37
Speaker 1: people that I came across with those were criminals of
34:40
Speaker 1: the worst time. So you know, I don't even understand
34:43
Speaker 1: why his parents would have a sawt off shotgun inside
34:47
Speaker 1: the home. That's another that's another can of worms. You know,
34:51
Speaker 1: I wanna jump in you nance did Catcher candidate? It
34:57
Speaker 1: could not have been sought off shotgun. I think that's
34:58
Speaker 1: being mis report. It was meantin age seventy, probably with
35:01
Speaker 1: no stock. So if you're familiar with firearms, you're gonna
35:04
Speaker 1: have instead of a stock, you have a pistol grip
35:05
Speaker 1: in the rear and a pistol grip and the fore grunt.
35:08
Speaker 1: The reason it can't be sought off is a remiconade
35:11
Speaker 1: civin the pump shotgun has a tubular magazine, so that's
35:15
Speaker 1: where the shells would would actually are loaded. Into if
35:18
Speaker 1: you saw that off you know no longer happen magazine,
35:21
Speaker 1: So I don't think it was a sold off shot,
35:24
Speaker 1: and it's probably was one of these more combat style
35:26
Speaker 1: shotguns that are very very common. What we absolutely right? Yeah, yeah,
35:31
Speaker 1: I think you guys might be right. Dr Bethany Marshall
35:34
Speaker 1: l a pychoanalis. What is all this telling you? Well,
35:37
Speaker 1: that he had explosive rage, that he had a fascination
35:42
Speaker 1: with guns, which actually there's quite a bit of research
35:45
Speaker 1: that indicates that sociopaths tend to because they're very fond
35:51
Speaker 1: of guns. They love guns. It's it's sort of like
35:54
Speaker 1: a hard object that they attached to. They attached to
35:57
Speaker 1: the power of the gun more than they attached to people. Um.
36:02
Speaker 1: According to one e er doctor, I read a report
36:04
Speaker 1: that he put buck shot in the guns. Your gun
36:07
Speaker 1: experts could speak to this better than I could, but
36:10
Speaker 1: that because of the buckshot, the there was much more
36:14
Speaker 1: deadly forced um when he shot at the students. So
36:17
Speaker 1: he really intended to do carnage. It wasn't just to
36:22
Speaker 1: have a few clean shots here and there, but true carnage,
36:25
Speaker 1: true gore um. The idea that he wanted to spare
36:31
Speaker 1: kids he liked so that they could talk about this.
36:36
Speaker 1: You know, shooters often want to go down and infamy,
36:39
Speaker 1: you know, they want to be famous. There's a grandiose
36:42
Speaker 1: component to sociopathy, and this I think is the grandiose piece.
36:46
Speaker 1: And I think he spared, you know, like just kids
36:48
Speaker 1: are in clicks. I think he just spared the popular
36:51
Speaker 1: ones because he wanted the popular ones to talk about him.
36:54
Speaker 1: He was going to be in the popular circle in
36:57
Speaker 1: some twisted kind of way. Okay, that is freaky what
37:02
Speaker 1: you're saying right now to John Limley. I've been studying
37:06
Speaker 1: and pouring over what his classmates are saying. And a
37:11
Speaker 1: kid named Tyler who played football with him for the
37:14
Speaker 1: Santa Fe Indians Um the suspect was a defensive tackle
37:20
Speaker 1: on the JV team, and he was saying an a
37:24
Speaker 1: vigil that he would never have suspected his former teammate
37:29
Speaker 1: as being even remotely capable of a mass shooting, that
37:33
Speaker 1: he had just been joking with him on a field
37:36
Speaker 1: trip to a Galaston water park the day before the massacre.
37:41
Speaker 1: The day before the shooting. Yet we know the shooting
37:45
Speaker 1: was carefully planned, with all of the pressure cooker bombs
37:47
Speaker 1: and getting the guns and the ammunition. We know that
37:51
Speaker 1: it was very well planned. So how do I have
37:56
Speaker 1: the story straight? John Limley absolutely even his family what
38:01
Speaker 1: is an absolute shock over all of this. They have
38:08
Speaker 1: said that their son was the sweetest, kindest boy, that
38:14
Speaker 1: he was very quiet, that nothing indicated that this was ahead.
38:21
Speaker 1: You were talking about Tyler Ray, that football player that
38:25
Speaker 1: that knew the poor Cheese family. Well, um, he was
38:29
Speaker 1: talking about that field trip, that his friends showed up
38:34
Speaker 1: for summer workouts, tried hard even though he wasn't very athletic.
38:38
Speaker 1: Apparently he even sort of joked around about the fact
38:41
Speaker 1: that he wasn't you know, the world's greatest jock. His
38:45
Speaker 1: family Uh came to the games to support him. Uh.
38:49
Speaker 1: Though they did have some money problems. They struggled to
38:52
Speaker 1: pay for the equipment, but they were very supportive of
38:55
Speaker 1: their son. Well, this is another thing we know about him.
38:58
Speaker 1: We know about what was found in his home afterwards.
39:03
Speaker 1: Listen to the Texas governor describing explosive found at the
39:09
Speaker 1: teen boys home and at the school. One was CEO
39:16
Speaker 1: two device, Another was a Molotov cocktail. Uh. And there's
39:21
Speaker 1: are various other types of explosive devices that have been
39:24
Speaker 1: identified both in a home as well as in a vehicle. Wow, okay,
39:29
Speaker 1: it was clearly clearly planned. So there's no way, uh,
39:35
Speaker 1: and insanity defense is going to work here, Dr Bethany Marshall.
39:40
Speaker 1: He may be angry, being angry angry is not a defense.
39:44
Speaker 1: He's not insane. He was joking and laughing at a
39:46
Speaker 1: water park the day before the day before the massacre
39:51
Speaker 1: goes down. Dr Bethany. I mean, you've got to compare
39:55
Speaker 1: a start of a dichotomy as it is between what
39:59
Speaker 1: the victim, his parents and family are going through right now,
40:04
Speaker 1: this minute as we were talking, as compared to claims
40:09
Speaker 1: this child, this boy was bullied, or he was quiet,
40:13
Speaker 1: or he was different, anger or revenge, being a social
40:19
Speaker 1: perceiving yourself as a social outcast is not a defense.
40:23
Speaker 1: And remember he was uh, he was on the defense
40:27
Speaker 1: on the JV varsity of a j V football team.
40:30
Speaker 1: He was very involved at his church on their dance squad.
40:34
Speaker 1: This Greek Orthodox church is going to water parks with friends.
40:38
Speaker 1: That's not gonna work. Dr Bethany, absolutely not. I mean
40:43
Speaker 1: when you he really wore what we call in my
40:46
Speaker 1: field the mask of sanity, meaning that he knew how
40:50
Speaker 1: to move and operate in society as if he is
40:55
Speaker 1: a normal, empathetic person, when in fact he's not. But
40:58
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he's insane. And you can't be schizophrenic
41:01
Speaker 1: or bipolar, or have any kind of psychiatric disorder and
41:05
Speaker 1: be as collected and methodical as he was. And you know,
41:09
Speaker 1: I want to speak to the laughing in the park,
41:11
Speaker 1: the water park the day before, and how he seems
41:14
Speaker 1: so friendly and engaged. He was in a state of
41:18
Speaker 1: relief because he knew he was going to do this.
41:21
Speaker 1: One of the things we know about something called catifinement
41:24
Speaker 1: comicide is that while the person is methodically planning the crime,
41:31
Speaker 1: they feel a great sense of relief and excitement because
41:35
Speaker 1: they're finally going to do it. And that phase last
41:38
Speaker 1: after the commission of the crime up to six to
41:41
Speaker 1: nine months. So they'll come to court, maybe they'll you know,
41:44
Speaker 1: feigned solemnity or to kind of look quiet, but usually
41:47
Speaker 1: they're quite relieved that they were able to do it
41:49
Speaker 1: because they are in a state of paranoid distress. They
41:54
Speaker 1: feel that the world has wronged them and that feeling
41:58
Speaker 1: is unbearable to them at a pathological level. You and
42:02
Speaker 1: I cannot understand. And once they have straightened everybody out,
42:06
Speaker 1: Oh they are so so happy and so relieved, So
42:10
Speaker 1: no wonder they joked the day before and the day
42:12
Speaker 1: after that. That's just the sign of how disturbed they are. Well,
42:16
Speaker 1: I want you to listen. In the last hours you
42:20
Speaker 1: mentioned court, they center fe Texas school shooter who claimed
42:25
Speaker 1: he didn't have the courage to go through with this
42:27
Speaker 1: plan to kill himself after he killed ten others, including
42:32
Speaker 1: a hero teacher. He makes his first court appearance. Listen,
42:38
Speaker 1: and you have been charged with um aggregated assault against
42:43
Speaker 1: the public servant. I'm denying your mind on both charges.
42:45
Speaker 1: You have the right pertained counsel. You have the right
42:47
Speaker 1: remain silent. You have the right to have an attorney
42:49
Speaker 1: present during interviews and peace officers or attorneys representing the state.
42:52
Speaker 1: You have the right to terminate that interview at anytime.
42:55
Speaker 1: You have the right request appointment of counsel if you're
42:57
Speaker 1: intogent and cannot off You have the right to examining trial.
43:00
Speaker 1: You're not required to make a statement. Any statement made
43:02
Speaker 1: by you may be used against too. Are you a
43:04
Speaker 1: citizen the United States? Are you a citizen of the
43:09
Speaker 1: United States? Are you requesting consideration for a court a
43:14
Speaker 1: point of attorney? Yes? Are you out on bond for
43:17
Speaker 1: any other charge? I'm going to ask you to sign
43:21
Speaker 1: the front page, which is just technology that are Reggie
43:24
Speaker 1: rights this afternoon. You're not entering a plea today. Thanks. Yeah,
43:37
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have you signed a second time requesting consideration
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Speaker 1: to be appointed a quarter point attorney, and a third
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Speaker 1: time saying that you'll keep your appointments and tell us
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Speaker 1: if you change your dresser phone number. Excuse just one
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Speaker 1: more time right here, police saying that you're requesting that
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Speaker 1: quarter point attorney. People going to application? Howdah? Yeah, Jeff, Sorry,
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Speaker 1: today's fund of him? Next my note plenty to drive
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Speaker 1: over again? Unt need to do it over again? All right?
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Speaker 1: The any questions? All right? When we were finished, they're
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Speaker 1: gonna work on the application of the layer. Okay. The
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Speaker 1: massacre that unfolded early Friday morning at a Santa Fe
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Speaker 1: High school gun ended up gunning down eight students and
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Speaker 1: two teachers. Listen to this. The shooting was the one
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Speaker 1: hundred and first mass shooting overall in two thousand eighteen alone.
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Speaker 1: I mean, is that statistic correct? David Kat's former g e.
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Speaker 1: A active shooter expert, A hundred and one already and
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Speaker 1: we're only in month five. Well, I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: that you have to look at what they're defining act
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Speaker 1: the mass shooting as you have to you would exclude,
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Speaker 1: for example, murder suicide. I mean, that's that number seems
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Speaker 1: enormously high, only because the FBI study that covered was
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Speaker 1: interdenced between the years two thousand. They're only a hundred
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Speaker 1: and sixty incidents to find this active shooting incidents in
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Speaker 1: that whole period. So the frequency is definitely going up there,
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. But this is the new reality.
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Speaker 1: Whether whether most numbers are accurate or not, they're going
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Speaker 1: to be increasing. And it's seem to itself the endemic
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Speaker 1: in our society because if you look, you know, the
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Speaker 1: firearms have been available throughout my lifetime. The Air fifteen rifle,
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Speaker 1: by the way, not used in this case, but that's
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Speaker 1: been available in from delete nineteen fifties. What is it
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Speaker 1: that's driving people now to act in these horrifically violent
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Speaker 1: manners that didn't before. I'm I'm assuming that people had
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Speaker 1: psychological issues throughout their lives, but we have some some
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Speaker 1: something going on in our society that I can't even
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Speaker 1: give to understand. I agree with you, David Cats, and
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Speaker 1: I have some ideas about what the problem is. Who
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Speaker 1: are the victims in this case? We have eight students
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Speaker 1: and two substitute teachers. Teachers that happened to be called
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Speaker 1: in man, you happen to get called in the day
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Speaker 1: of the school shooting. First of all, teen girl Sabeka
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Speaker 1: seek a Pakistani exchange student part of the Yes program
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Speaker 1: for scholarships to high school countries populations that are majority Muslim.
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Speaker 1: She was set to come home in just a few weeks.
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Speaker 1: Chris Stone, a junior. If you could see the picture
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Speaker 1: of him in his tuxedo standing beside beside an old tractor,
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Speaker 1: it just breaks my heart. His face, his big smile
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Speaker 1: on it. A junior. His family had been searching local
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Speaker 1: hospitals for him. Shortly after the shooting on Friday, Just
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Speaker 1: the most beautiful boy. Ann Parkins, the substitute teacher at
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Speaker 1: Santa Fe High she was the local gymnastics club where
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Speaker 1: her daughter is a member, posted the announcement on his
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Speaker 1: Facebook page on Friday, and I'm looking at the photos
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Speaker 1: of her. She was beloved. Uh, just beauty, fold had children, grandchildren,
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Speaker 1: loved students, loved traveling, love and family. And she said
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Speaker 1: she liked a sip of champagne every once in a while. Oh,
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Speaker 1: she looks like she's so happy. Angelique Ramirez got a
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Speaker 1: picture of her with like a daisy in her hair.
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Speaker 1: Oh God, she's so pretty. This team girl, Angelique. Cynthia Tisdale,
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Speaker 1: also a substitute teacher. I'm looking at her photo standing
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Speaker 1: arm in arm. My goodness, it looks like with her husband,
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Speaker 1: Aaron Kyle McLoyd, a student at Santa Fe High. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at him. Looks like he's out driving a car
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Speaker 1: for the first time in this photo. Kimberly Jessica Vaughn,
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Speaker 1: she's pictured here, looks like with her mom, kind of
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Speaker 1: hiding behind her mom. She's wearing glass is and has
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Speaker 1: a ponytail and kind of a shy smile on her face.
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Speaker 1: Her mother initially read online she was having trouble finding
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Speaker 1: her daughter, and then later it was confirmed her daughter,
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Speaker 1: Kimberly Jessica was dead. Jared Connor Black, just seventeen, a
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Speaker 1: student at Santa Fe. I'm looking at his photo. Is
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Speaker 1: just the whole world in front of him. Here's Shanna Fisher,
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Speaker 1: the little girl that the gunman had fallen for and
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Speaker 1: she rejected him. Christian Riley Garcia. He's standing in his
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Speaker 1: photo on a construction site and he has written on
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Speaker 1: one of the boards I saw. He says, be still
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Speaker 1: and know that I am God. He's standing beside that.
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Speaker 1: Christian Riley Garcia. Gosh, the list is heartbreaking right now.
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