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Patriots Unfiltered 8/2: Takeaways from recent Training Camp practices, NFL decision on Dolphins violations · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Patriot's Unfiltered. Paul, did you get Josh Bledsoe's autograph yesterday?
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  Speaker 1: I have not gotten Josh Bledzo's autograph. I hear the
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  Speaker 1: Douce crew is here. Douce crew is here, the full
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  Speaker 1: Douce crew is here. I touchdown on Oh and he
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  Speaker 1: got the crowd out and he just heard himself. I kid,
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  Speaker 1: I kid, I don't remember seeing it in the three
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  Speaker 1: plus days now that we've been out, and I think
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  Speaker 1: you're right. You know, we go far with them. Has
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  Speaker 1: what happened this week? No, okay, you're right a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Paul, you're right today. That's the way that's I
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  Speaker 1: tell Bath all the time. First time we called his name,
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  Speaker 1: still waiting to call Ronnie Perkins. That seemed like an
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  Speaker 1: unnecessary shot by Deuce right there, I said, to check
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  Speaker 1: Twitter and find out how grad he's been today. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are here back in the studio, Patriots Unfiltered,
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  Speaker 1: Paul Purlo, this is Patriots Unfiltered. No Fred Kirsch today.
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  Speaker 1: So for those waiting for the Big boss Man, he's
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  Speaker 1: out today. So fortunate because I won't get him to
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  Speaker 1: punch me. Yeah, which was my goal of the last show.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what, that's all right, there's plenty to
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  Speaker 1: talk about today. We've observed what is it, six practices
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  Speaker 1: Now I have six practices, the second one in full pads,
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  Speaker 1: due second one in full pads today, and even though
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  Speaker 1: it's just me and Pauli's starting everything off, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have everybody kind of coming in. We'll have Tomorrow, we'll
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  Speaker 1: have Alex, we'll have Evan coming into way in. They're
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  Speaker 1: finishing up outside with Mac as practice ran up against
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  Speaker 1: the start of the show, but we wanted to get in.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, you guys probably listen to the live shows,
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  Speaker 1: so you maybe have a little bit of a sense,
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  Speaker 1: but we're here to get you caught up on everything
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  Speaker 1: that we've we've seen from the last week or of
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  Speaker 1: practice is here, So please, you know, right in webmail
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Thank you Matt for correcting me on that
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  Speaker 1: eight five pats five hundred as well. Give us a call. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm still learning here, got thrust into this. I'm still
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  Speaker 1: but but Paul, I'm sure everyone's kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: caught up a little bit at least on the last
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  Speaker 1: day or so a practices. But um, but let's start
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  Speaker 1: off just today with what what kind of your key
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  Speaker 1: takeaway was from watching things out there? Yeah, just later
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  Speaker 1: the last two days in pads, so a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more physicality. Obviously, a lot of one on one stuff
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  Speaker 1: pass rushers against offensive lineman. I thought the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: as a whole did a pretty good job today with
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  Speaker 1: that part of it. Um, got a chance to see
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  Speaker 1: a couple of those reps. I thought Cole Strange was
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  Speaker 1: better than he was yesterday. Uh. In that regard, Trent
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  Speaker 1: Brown just absolutely dominating dudes left and right. Um, A
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  Speaker 1: little bit less so for Isaiah Win. I thought Josh
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  Speaker 1: Jay was pretty solid in that drill today. You know,
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  Speaker 1: quicker guy looked like he gave Win some trouble on
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  Speaker 1: the other side. A lot of one on ones with
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  Speaker 1: the receivers in the cornerbacks and one guy Mike that
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  Speaker 1: I'm really starting to be intrigued about. The whole year
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  Speaker 1: two thing. Is Nelson Agilore the year two free agent thing,
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  Speaker 1: because I think he's looked pretty good in this camp.
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  Speaker 1: I think today he had another strong day. Yeah, number
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  Speaker 1: of catches. I mean I was kind of focused more
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  Speaker 1: on the one on ones. And you know, all my
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  Speaker 1: stats back up your keen football at Paul like I had.
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  Speaker 1: I had Trump Brown down three and one, I had
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  Speaker 1: win two and two. One he fell on the only
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  Speaker 1: one Trump Brown I had losing was oo which j
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  Speaker 1: just kind of made a little cut got unneath him.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, you don't That's why you don't need
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  Speaker 1: the stats. The eye and the sky don't lie. But
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  Speaker 1: Agilore had a nice, a nice catch in the back
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  Speaker 1: of the end zone today. However, you know, the offense,
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  Speaker 1: I think that people are probably aware that the storyline
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  Speaker 1: is the offense has has not been off to the
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  Speaker 1: greatest start. It feels like they're kind of struggling to
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  Speaker 1: put multiple plays together. And you know, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to torch them and say, you know, of course they're
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  Speaker 1: putting in some new schemes, some new plays. They've been
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  Speaker 1: telling us that the offense is simplified, but it looks
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  Speaker 1: like so far it hasn't really took yet. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: they just they can't really seem to play. They'll make
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  Speaker 1: one good play, they'll have a good you know, play
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  Speaker 1: down down the field a little bit. They'll come back
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  Speaker 1: and you know, nobody will open. Mac will have to
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  Speaker 1: throw the ball into the ground, or you know, Mac
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  Speaker 1: will have to do the pseudo scramble and you know,
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  Speaker 1: gets a nice cheer from the crowd. They love watching
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  Speaker 1: Mac run. But I don't think it's what what they're
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  Speaker 1: looking for. So I think where we're living right now
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  Speaker 1: is how much leeway do you give the offense with
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  Speaker 1: you know, some of the changes that they've been doing,
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  Speaker 1: the new coaching arrangement, all those things, of course, but
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  Speaker 1: or to the defense or the defense, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we were expecting much coming into to camp.
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  Speaker 1: I was more concerned about the defensive side of the ball. Uh, certainly.
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  Speaker 1: These are all situations where it's tough on the defense
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  Speaker 1: at times. Guys are wearing gloves, guys are both on
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line, in the in the secondary. So um,
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  Speaker 1: but you kind of feel a little bit positive about
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  Speaker 1: the defense at least how they're they're stringing some things together.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, some of the guys that
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  Speaker 1: we were hoping to see pop a little bit. I
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  Speaker 1: think you're starting to see a little bit Anthony Jennings
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  Speaker 1: kind of in the mix, a little bit more like
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  Speaker 1: he's playing with a little bit of a chip on
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  Speaker 1: his shoulder as one guy just did. I find some
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  Speaker 1: of that interesting too, And you know, you and I
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  Speaker 1: were talking about this during practice with Bighead. Just sort
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  Speaker 1: of interesting to see which guys now starting to make,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the move between one side of the field
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  Speaker 1: of the other. And we always talk about there's there's
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  Speaker 1: one side is usually the front line players, guys that
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  Speaker 1: you more associate with stadters um, and we've seen, um,
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  Speaker 1: some of the guys involved in that. Um. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to look at my my notes here because
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  Speaker 1: I want to get the right guys. Um. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Josh Bledsoe stays over with the front line guys. Miles
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  Speaker 1: Bryant has sort of jumped right in obviously. Jonathan Jones
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  Speaker 1: Jennings is a guy you just brought up. I find
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  Speaker 1: him sort of behind Jude on getting some reps there
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  Speaker 1: with with a higher level players, whereas today Ronnie Perkins,
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  Speaker 1: Cameron mcgron, Sean Wade, some of those guys were on
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  Speaker 1: the other side with some of the some of the
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  Speaker 1: younger players and backups. So interesting, I see Marcus and
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  Speaker 1: Jack Jones sort of involved in both of those groups.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that the idea there is to just
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  Speaker 1: get them as many reps as possible. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting to see how six days in
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  Speaker 1: a couple of days and pads, how those kinds of
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  Speaker 1: depth charts are mental for me, you know, mentally, how
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  Speaker 1: that that's for me. Yeah. Another name that people probably
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  Speaker 1: weren't really counting on much, Arlington Hambright. He's another guy
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  Speaker 1: that you know, did pretty well in his in his
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  Speaker 1: one on ones and seems to be getting some opportunities
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  Speaker 1: as maybe like the second or third right guard in
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  Speaker 1: So I think they're trying to discover what they have
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  Speaker 1: for depth there at guard. We knew that that was
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  Speaker 1: going to be a position of transition. But it's always
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  Speaker 1: he spend a lot of season talking about all these
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  Speaker 1: guys and then all of a sudden, you know, Arlington
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  Speaker 1: Hambright is somebody that that kind of out of nowhere is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, getting a little look right now doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: that he's he's destined for amazing, huge role yet. But
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  Speaker 1: h and one other guy just wanted to touch on
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  Speaker 1: off the top with time Montgomery, it just feels like
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  Speaker 1: he's involved in a little bit of everything, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just you feel like he's kind of gone the
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  Speaker 1: other way the last couple of days. He's involved in everything,
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  Speaker 1: but not as effect I mean, I haven't really I
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  Speaker 1: just feel like I continue thought, well, it's hard though
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  Speaker 1: we've seen him do some carries and and we've seen
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  Speaker 1: him do some kickoff returns. I guess it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: judge the overall UH contributions of everybody right now because
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  Speaker 1: it just seems like there's a good play, there's a
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  Speaker 1: bad play, and you know you're up and down. I
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  Speaker 1: just feel like like Montgomery is the guy that just
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  Speaker 1: seems involved, and you know, James White still not out here.
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  Speaker 1: The only guy on PUP that that hasn't hasn't returned yet,
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  Speaker 1: so um, he could potentially be another another guy that
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  Speaker 1: uh gets some more playing time. So let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: Mac now. I think he's just wrapping up his his
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  Speaker 1: media vail and uh yeah, you know, I think he's
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  Speaker 1: had some moments. He's had some nice deep throws, but
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  Speaker 1: but overall it's just the consistency is what I think
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  Speaker 1: is lacking, and there's just too much up and down.
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  Speaker 1: Talked about Saturday's practice. He kind of went off the
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  Speaker 1: field looking a little bit down. But I mean we
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  Speaker 1: talked Paul during the show or I'm sorry when we
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  Speaker 1: were just watching practice that you know, there's not as
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  Speaker 1: much as this demonstrative hitting his thigh pads getting frustration.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't seen as much as a tennis player. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: that as we did last year. You know, it seems
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  Speaker 1: like he's holding in in a little bit better. Certainly
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  Speaker 1: he was a little bit I think fired up after
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  Speaker 1: Saturday's performance. Not quite the same kind of reactions today. Well,
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  Speaker 1: of course we'll see what he has to here. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: Tamara's joining us right now, so she's fresh in off
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  Speaker 1: the field and Mac Jones, so, uh, Tamara as soon
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  Speaker 1: as you get ready, maybe you can give us a
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  Speaker 1: little a little insight into how Mac was and what
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  Speaker 1: he had to say here at his media availability today anything.
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  Speaker 1: So coincidentally, the first question was about how we saw
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  Speaker 1: him scramble a few times today and was that a
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  Speaker 1: design run or you know, was that a play breaking down?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, him trying to run for a first
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  Speaker 1: down and he's like, you know, my goal every single
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  Speaker 1: time is to get the ball into a receiver's hand,
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  Speaker 1: into a running back's hand. And so I thought that
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  Speaker 1: was pretty interesting because we were all kind of wondering
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  Speaker 1: in the media tent, you know, was that a design
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  Speaker 1: run that we just saw? Um? And so he kind
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  Speaker 1: of turned away from that and and clarify that, you know, no,
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  Speaker 1: I was aiming to get into a receiver or running
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  Speaker 1: backs hand and so um, I feel like that was
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  Speaker 1: kind of a focus for a little bit while. And
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  Speaker 1: then you know, he just said, you know, talking about
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  Speaker 1: his connections with Devonte Parker and Kendrick Bourne, et cetera,
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  Speaker 1: just elaborating on that hits his job to get them
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  Speaker 1: the ball and like, we have a lot of really
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  Speaker 1: talented guys in the receiving corps and just it's his
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  Speaker 1: job to get it to him, and so that's that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of his focus, you know, very kind of virgeneric,
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of nothing. Um, did he seem frustrated?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to, like I would assume
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't carry the frustration over into the press conferences.
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  Speaker 1: But I just it's I think there was so much
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  Speaker 1: build up this year for Mac year two, year two
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  Speaker 1: with the weapons, and he's been working with everybody, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, you were hoping that it looked smooth, um,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, it's just it hasn't yet. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to overreact. I know that it's easy to you know,
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  Speaker 1: go crazy over six practices when you've been waiting all
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  Speaker 1: year for it. But um, overall these seemed okay, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get frustrated vibes at all. Yeah. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see how he continues. Yeah, I just I just
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  Speaker 1: want to we're going to continue. This is gonna be
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  Speaker 1: two hours about the Patriots training camp so far, but
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  Speaker 1: I just I do want to talk about because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people are tweeting in about it too. Just
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  Speaker 1: that the NFL had made a ruling today about the
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: Dolphins and found them guilty of impermissible impermissible communications with
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  Speaker 1: quarterback Tom Brady in nineteen and twenty while he was
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  Speaker 1: under contract with the New England Patriots. Those communications began
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  Speaker 1: his earliest August of twenty nineteen, so that was training
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  Speaker 1: camp of his last year while he was still in Foxborough,
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  Speaker 1: and continued through the nineteen season in the postseason. So
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: they were docked first and third round picks. I believe
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Ross was suspended through October. Find one point five
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  Speaker 1: million plus there was another member of the front office
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  Speaker 1: I think find another five hundred thousand. So the only
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  Speaker 1: thing that they didn't find anything of is what the
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  Speaker 1: NFL originally said there was no evidence of. And that
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: was sort of the the the blatant tanking because and
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: I said at the time, if they find evidence that
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  Speaker 1: they lost games on purpose, Steven Ross is going to
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  Speaker 1: lose that that that franchise, There's no doubt in my mind.
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  Speaker 1: But this is this is not a slap on the
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  Speaker 1: wrist the first and third round picks heavy finds. This
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  Speaker 1: was this is serious stuff. Well that might mean this
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  Speaker 1: is crazy to me that they I mean, I always
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: thought it was Tampa and that was the end of
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  Speaker 1: this year that they were trying to get them to
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  Speaker 1: come over next year. But I mean this is new
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: information and also with the page also part of it too,
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  Speaker 1: this finding is that they were trying to get them
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  Speaker 1: to become an executive this year. It kind of puts
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a different light on on that
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  Speaker 1: Miami end of season last game a little bit in
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen when they were playing for home field advantage
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  Speaker 1: and then lost that one. Uh, you know, plenty of
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  Speaker 1: time to get back to that, I'm sure as things go,
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  Speaker 1: but um, you know, certainly send your questions in. I mean,
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: we could go right down the roster probably and tell
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  Speaker 1: you a little bit of something about everything everybody on there. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but let's you know, I want to go to the
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  Speaker 1: defense though a little bit too, and just uh, you
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  Speaker 1: know what Paul has stood out to you of of
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  Speaker 1: why they're you know, why they've been able to sty
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  Speaker 1: me the offense a little bit. You know there, What
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  Speaker 1: have you felt like have been the kind of the
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  Speaker 1: key pieces of the defense that that have stood out
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  Speaker 1: to you? Well, I think the secondary has been pretty
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  Speaker 1: solid overall, but I also think that consistently, especially these
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  Speaker 1: two days since the pads have been on and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how you feel to matter, if you feel
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  Speaker 1: any different, but I feel like the defensive front has
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  Speaker 1: controlled the line of scrimmage. Yes, unvirtually every play, Like
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  Speaker 1: some of the running plays. Running backs are getting hit,
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  Speaker 1: not like smashed or anything like that, but they're getting
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  Speaker 1: hit almost literally as soon as the ball gets in
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  Speaker 1: their hands. There's nowhere to go, There's nowhere to go, right,
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  Speaker 1: So I would say that, you know, the defensive front
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  Speaker 1: has been better than the offensive front forward for the
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  Speaker 1: for the Patriots, and that's been consistent through the first
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  Speaker 1: two days with pads On. Yeah, a lot of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Matthew jude On, a lot of ray Qua
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  Speaker 1: McMillan getting involved. You know, Mac Wilson another guy that
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of popped a little bit. Just I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like Paul said, I think there's there's groups. You see
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  Speaker 1: one field as kind of the learning group, and then
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  Speaker 1: you have the other side, which is the starters. Um,
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  Speaker 1: what about for you, tamara On just on the defensive
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  Speaker 1: side of the ball. You know, any particular guys that
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  Speaker 1: have stood out to you that have been making some place. Yeah, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I think Jalen Mills, Um he's been, you know, really
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  Speaker 1: active out there. I also have to say, Sean Wade,
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  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, obviously, with Jonathan Jones and
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  Speaker 1: Jibrill Peppers not being out there for the first start
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of camp, I think that we saw
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  Speaker 1: a lot a lot of him. Um. But now I
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  Speaker 1: think I'm kind of looking to see what Jonathan Jones
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  Speaker 1: and Jibril Peppers do now that they're back out there. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I was listening to Jonathan Jones today, Everyone's like, so
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  Speaker 1: are you one hundred percent back? He's like, I'm clear
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  Speaker 1: to play, I'm here, I'm here, And you know, he
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  Speaker 1: did talk about, you know, he did miss those first
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  Speaker 1: couple of days of reps, which are super important. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and so he's just going to be climbing his way
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  Speaker 1: back up. Yeah. I heard Peppers too, talking a little
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  Speaker 1: bit and said, you know, he's not quite one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 1: but he's been listening in on walkie talkie and getting
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  Speaker 1: the play calls down. Of course, Patrick Chung was here yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I asked, you know, Jibrill Pep today a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about Chung and you know, studying him and the importance
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  Speaker 1: of the safeties and you know, Josh Blizo was kind
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  Speaker 1: of the star of early camp, getting a lot of reps,
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  Speaker 1: getting a lot of run, and you know now that
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  Speaker 1: Jay Jones is back, Miles Bryant's back, Peppers is back,
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  Speaker 1: it feels like, you know him and Wader, you know,
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  Speaker 1: getting pushed a little bit back towards that side. But
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  Speaker 1: I think it speaks to the safety depth and something
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  Speaker 1: that you know, I'm going to write about today. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it's certainly a feature of the offense or
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  Speaker 1: the defense or the way they've been rotating guys in
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of characterizes a lot of
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: the secondary and Malcolm Butler getting some rhyme. Everybody's kind
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: of getting some reps at least in that Like there
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: was a period today where like the first group was
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler and Jack Jones and then you know it's
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: generally been Mills and Mitchell and that that was what
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: the way they started most of the team periods. So
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: but just speaks to what you're talking about, just the
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: amount of moving pieces they have back there, and we
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: all know the four safeties. And Bill even made a
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: comment I think this morning about sort of looking forward
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: to getting them all on the field now I kind
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: of think he meant like right now, like Jabrill, Pepper's
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: working his way back and you know, getting him out
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: there with Douger, mccordy and Phillips. But it is something
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: that you might look down the road and say, can
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: they find a way to get these guys all all
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: involved on certain packages because they have a lot of
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: depth back there. I don't know if they have a
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: lot of answers, but there are a lot of bodies. Paul,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: I have a question for you, kind of going back
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: to well one I have wasn't on radio when this
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: verse was reportedly out there, but um devon got chaw um.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Do you see the value in that? I guess as
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: we continue to go through camp, especially with how we've
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: seen the defensive line kind of just really taking control
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: of the offense so far, do I think, God, do
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: you think like from what we're what we saw today,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: especially with the with the line really manhandling kind of
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: the offensive line, the value in signing him for that contract.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I don't. I still yeah, I don't love the contract.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I think they're offensively. I think that there's a lot
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: of transition going on with what they're doing. I do
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: think there has been some visible changes to the way
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: they run the ball. It's a lot of stretch, you know,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of wide zone stuff, and I think it's
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: a little different than what they're used to do. But
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: you know, flat out, you have a rookie first round
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: pick at one guard, you have a guy playing the
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: other guard who couldn't solidify a starting spot last year.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: I think there's some transition going on with the offensive line.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting today, Mike, we both noticed
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: that Arlington Hambright was sort of rotating in with Michael
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Owen you at that right guard spot. So it would
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: be about four or five plays with the regular you
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: know when you know, and then he would come out.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: The others would stay Ty Troy Brown, Trent Brown, Isaiah
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Wynn and Strange would stay in there and Hambright was
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: out there. So I think they're they're looking, they're mixing
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: and matching a little bit, trying to find out who
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: works best. But yeah, you're right, I mean, Gotcha has played.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: He's you know, he's been upfront with you know, Barmore.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: It's just a monster. Yeah, he's just a monster. And
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: there's some of the plays that he just he just
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: swallowed it back today, like he reached out with one
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: arm and just sort of cry. I think it was
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Kevin Harris just sort of like stopped him right in
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: his tracks. So the defensive line has been has like
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I said, they've really controlled the line of scrimmage. Yeah,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I think Barmore has been just a load. I mean,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: even when guys in one on one stop him for
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: a second, it's like if they let up even for
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: a moment, he's able to get a push. But we're
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: now another member of the team has joined us. Alex. Welcome, Welcome,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Let's let's put you on
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the spot now the year. So what stood out to
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: you from the first few days of camp, any particular plays, players,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: just overall themes that you've been taken away from from
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: what you've been watching out there. Yeah, I mean, I
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: know you guys are just talking about the defensive line
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: when I walked in, but UM really impressed with Barmore
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: what we've seen from him. Just to echo on what
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: you guys have just said. And Trent Brown is a monster.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Just fun watching him, like eat guys up out there,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and he's a big play I mean, and I got
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: to point out to the person I think that actually
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: stole the practice today was Adrian phillips Is little son.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. He brought his son up to the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: to the podium. Adorable little kids. So that was a
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: nice moment. It's always fun watching, you know, everybody's got
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: their fans and their family coming out. We saw Lonnie
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Paxton in the crowd today, former Patriot long snapper of course.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: And we're cruising now. I mean, we've got we got
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a few more days of practice. We're not really sure
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: exactly with pads. We think at least another day or
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: two perhaps, but then we got the in stadium practice
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: at night. Uh. You know, a lot of talk about
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: scheme change and things are looking different. We've seen a
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: lot of wide zone runs those kind of things, not
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of pulling guards, not a lot of the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: kind of the traditional kind of run game posit. I mean,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I know at this point it's we're really trying to
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll ask Evan when he goes in, but you
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's just it hasn't really been
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: effective though, you know, it hasn't been consistent even the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: run games, some of the ones, some of the reps
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: is ta Maris said, are getting blown up. And they've
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: moved a little bit more into the running game here
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: over the last two days with pads and aside from
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: a couple of plays where kind of the sea's kind
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: of parted, the one I'm thinking yesterday with Damien Harris,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: it just it hasn't looked clean in the run game.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And I think if they're going to that scheme that's
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the base of everything is making sure that you can
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: run that wide stretch. Yeah, And I think if they're
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: not able to run the football, I think they're going
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to have a really hard time, you know, getting in
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: situations that are good for this passing game. Because I
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: think he is a guy, Mac Jones is a guy
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that needs that. I think he needs to throw when
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: he wants to, as opposed to when he has to.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: And right now it hasn't it hasn't been smooth. But
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I'm also you know, and there was a tweet yesterday
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: from our Brodie Greg Budard, right, you know, called it
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: an abject disaster, and I'm just like, they've had five
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: practices and I'm not trying to be like all sunshine
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and roses here, but they've had now six practices, I'm
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: not ready to call anything a wild success or failure
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: after practices. You know, we get in the middle of
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: October and the Patriots are having a hard time moving
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the ball consistently in scoring points. Then you say, well, listen,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the transition to the new offense has taken longer than
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: than they they probably thought. And maybe this is and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: a good fit. But right now, I do think there's
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: some newness to what they're doing. They're all talking about it,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: which I was really surprised at from the outset of
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: camp with how willing some of the players have been
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to say, you know, the terminology has changed, it's allowing
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: us to play faster. It's blah blah blah. You know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: they're acknowledging the changes to the offense, which I didn't
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: think they necessarily would. So that tells me that they've
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: changed the offense. So let's let it play out. Let's
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: see how the transition goes. And like I said, when
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the regular season starts, if they're not moving the ball,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: we'll kill them. But right now I'm willing to sort
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: of accept some of the growing pains that goes along
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: with that. Let's go, let's go through some of the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: rookies too. I'm sure people are dying to hear about
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the performance of them. I mean, I think Tykwon Thornton's
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: kind of showing up the last couple of days and
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: even despite contact, like yeah, holding onto the ball, that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: was like the big thing. I was worried about looking
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: at him, but he seems to hold up pretty well
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and the speed is definitely showing. Yeah, which was the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: question like all of the offseason, like have you seen
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: how fast he is? Yet, like even asking and Troy
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Brown like they were like, what about his speed? Have
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you seen that? And They're like, not really, We're just
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: going through drills. You can't really see that. But now
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I think in the one on one drills we've actually
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: been able to see him turn on his burners. So
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, for a rookie, especially per
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Alex and everyone's you know, thoughts were, is he going
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: to be able to hold onto the ball, especially with
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: his size compared to some of the backs. Um, I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: think that you know, we've we've seen him, you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: progressed so far. I think yesterday there was a play
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and I was I was on the other side of
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the field, But I think he kind of had some
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: contact at the line with it with a defensive back
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and was able to shake loose and get away from him.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I'm forgetting which defensive back it was, Um, I think
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: it was Butler. Butler. He had one over Mills today. Yeah,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: so you know we're starting to show up and that's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a good sign. Yeah. Now, I think he's been impressive,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: because you know that I'm sort of looking at this
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: as a red shair year for him. But I do
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: think and I've seen pretty much every practice. There was
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a play today that you were talking about, Mike where
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the throw wasn't great, the coverage was pretty good, and
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I thought he's sort of set up. I think it
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: was John Williams, Like the ball was sort of drifting
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: towards the sideline and he kind of like set him
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: up a little bit to create some space to come back,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and he caught it over the wrong shoulder on the outside,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: which I thought was a really difficult catch, and he
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: made it look easy. He has really good ball skills
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and obviously he runs well. But I haven't really seen
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: anything in any team periods. I haven't seen any catches
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: in full eleven on eleven that I said Oh, well,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you know that that's something that he can do one
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: on ones. Like Tamara said, he shows up every day
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: every day and that's just I mean, that's that's a
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: great sign of I think we said at the beginning,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: like just stay healthy, get out there every day. Learn.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought one of the best throws today
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: was for him, not kenning to him, passes to him
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: was from Bailey's appey along the sideline. I think I
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: think it was in bounds, tough for us to tell
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: from from where we were sitting, but Brian Hoyer has
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: been out now for a bunch of days and it's
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: really kind of opened up the opportunities for Bailey Zappy.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: He got a ton of reps today and he seems
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to be you know, I mean he's a rookie. There's
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: certainly plays that that aren't smoothly, just like they rot
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: for Mac. But um, I think he showed some zip
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: on the ball and made some plays that went to
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Thornton today where it was kind of, you know, just
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: an out route on the far sideline and he was
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: able to kind of drill it in there. What are
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you guys seeing from from zapp? Yeah, I think after Saturday.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: He obviously had a rough day. I think all the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: offense had a rough day, but it was nice to
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: see him bounce back these last two days. Um, he
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: was getting it out quick, I thought, and it looks
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: like a bullet. Yeah, he's just a little short. I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: think that's the thing. It's hard, especially when we're at
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: field level and you can kind of see after the snap.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: He almost has to like jump up a little bit
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to get a get an initial look. But again, a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: guy who's getting tons of reps cold strange you've heard.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I mean he's he stepped in and at left guard,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and I mean that's pretty much where he's been. I
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: think probably the highlight of his camp though, teams well,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the punt then the punt competition at the end of
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the game, at the end of the practice earlier this week,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: where you know, put it on him. I mean he
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: caught two and the second one was tough too. I
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: mean he had to actually scramble, so, you know, showing
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit of that athleticism. I know, nobody really
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: cares about catching a punt at the end of practice. Um,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: but overall, you know, in terms of the one on ones,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I was I was locked on on those today. I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: did have him losing a rep to Godchawum, but I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: had him beaten Lawrence Guy. So I mean, I think
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: he's he's holding in there and probably starting to, uh,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you know, to find his footing a little bit there
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: on the inside. Another nice thing too, was was Marcus Jones.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I think we're starting to see him returning some punts.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: He's back out there. We didn't see him at all
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: smaller in the spring. Yeah, you're right, showing some every
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: day from the start. So, I mean the health of
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the roster is remarkably good. Yeah. I mean they had
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: a handful of guys start on list and they're almost
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: all off the list by now. It's James White and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: then two rookie offensive lineman. You know, Brian Hoyder has
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: missed the last several days. You know, he's not on
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: any kind of a list or anything. I think he
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Belichick said this morning that it wouldn't be too much longer.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: So I wonder if he's dealing with something, you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: maybe like an illness. Yeah, like Jake Bailey had to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: start camp football illness or non football, probably a non
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: football illness. I don't think it's football related flu. I
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: don't I'm gonna I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say it's
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: not Foxborough flu um. A couple of things. UM. Yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I see some quotes coming up now on on the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Twitter machine from from Mac and you know, he talked about,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, losing to the defense was quote a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: shot in the heart. UM. You know, hard to strike
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a balance between learning and competing. Um. And then he said,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: better days ahead. We're at the start of this thing.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: We're going to get it going. So he's acknowledging that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: it's it's been going. It you know, it's not going.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It's not going. I mean it's been I thought they
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: had a good start on Thursday in shorts, and I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: don't think they've had anything resembling success since. Now. I'm
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: with you, and I kind of find feel like Kendrick
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Bourne kind of conspicuously absent from any I mean, I
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: think every other receiver has had some wow moments, but
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I haven't really seen much out of the Born. I
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: think thought, like, well, when they moved to the middle
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of the field, that's where he kind of works. He
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: got us off to a slow start last year. UM.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Concern about Born at all I mean, he's still bringing
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the energy. He's a big smile. I mean, you know
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: he's going to keep working hard and uh and bringing
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the positive energy. But have you guys seen much out
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: of him? I just just not really any big plays.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I haven't I've seen more out of like Nelson Agil
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: or Yeah, today I was. There were a couple of
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: times where I was like, did he just get that
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: one handed catch? Like I feel like that was the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: most exciting play that I saw today was from him.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: And um, I think that we've seen We've talked about
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: like guys that need to make a year two leap,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and he hasn't really shown me that yet. We've seen obviously,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: John new Smith we've seen had his day the other day.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, I mean, and I think Parker got
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of the headlines the first couple of days
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: with all those contested catches and you know, it's it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I'd say he key chips in usually with one a
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: day maybe, but it's not overly consistent. And they all
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: kind of similar in that he's the guy that comes
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: down with the conte He had one yesterday where he
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: got well behind Malcolm Butler on a deep ball and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: made a catch probably for the best play yesterday with
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones hitting him on a probably like a fifty
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: yard bomb. But other than that, almost all of his
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: catches have been very similar. You know, there's pretty tightly
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: covered and he uses his frame to create some space,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and he's good at contested catches, but he hasn't been
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: overly consistent getting open and finally just to get it
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: out of the way. Since we're going all around the roster,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: we got to talk to the coaching staff offensive play calling.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: M Paul, what have you seen? What do the mechanics
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: look like? Can you give us some say I'm going
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to be honest and say I've stopped watching up walkie
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: talkie tracking. Well now they're even using walking talkies on defense,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: so like Bill Peppers one to get mental reps. So
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: what I've basically seen is it's been a combination of
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the three of them, Bill Belichick, matt Patricia, Joe Judge.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I think in seven on sevens it's generally been Judge
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: running the show while Mattie pas with the offensive lineman.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: When it's been full team, it's been more Patricia on
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Alwaukee talkie. But I've also seen plenty of Bill Belichick
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: just talking to the quarterbacks and relaying the play. Yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: so I think it's going to be sort of a
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: joint effort. The players have talked about that. You know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it's their job to go out and execute. They're giving
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: them plenty of opportunity. I think Aglore talked about that
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: just now when we came off the field. The coaches
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: have given them plenty of opportunities. They know what they're doing.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: It's our job to go out and execute it. So
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I think at least they're they're all saying the right things.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: We'll see how it unfolds went. Like I said, if
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you get into the regular season and you're not moving
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the ball, all of these things become questions. Right now,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: they're not because it's just practice. Yeah, just talking about practice.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Still it's it's I mean, it's still you can still
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: feel the kind of angst from everybody, but it's But
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you're right, and I think that's what we're all kind
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of struggling with. So I feel like we've kind of
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: set the table. We've gone around anybody else. I haven't
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: mentioned that, you guys feel like we need to bring
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: up I'm trying, like I'm trying to drag everybody out there.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: We're talking about Daniel Aquala, who has been good, who
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: has been pretty good. I think he's he's shown up
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, Jake Julian feeling slighted some punts.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: But of course you got you know, we got plenty
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of emails. As I would say, just rolling in right now,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Why don't so that that sounds like a great idea.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Now that we've set the table. Uh here, good job,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: it's gonna rapid fire a little bit, a little rapid
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: fire lightning as they do on the real radio station.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Let's just set the table. It's one of my favorites. Uh,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Jack and Jack and Annaba. Who's taking reps? Is the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: second string offensive line, you know, jumping on that one.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Po little second string acting like the whole line. Hold police,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: you go left to right on that one. I will
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll give you a left to right
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: in the radio dial. If you give me one second,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I get an Arlington Hambright in the mix, where you
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: will definitely get an Arlington Hambright in the mix. Um,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: now I gotta find out what day that was. I
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: think I can probably justin ham music going right now. Yeah, okay,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: so now now I'm gonna need a roster, all right,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: So James Sterns seventy two is ud just okay, there's
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: one he is This is left or right? Then Jude
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Deja l A, Cody Russy, Um Will Sherman, and Josiah Durant.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: That was the second line yesterday for at least one
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of the portions I've seen Arlington Hambright and we mentioned
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: him off the top because today he was getting some
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: reps with the ones um we've seen. Obviously, James Farrens
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: is the second center. He's played center enough with the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: first group because David Andrews isn't quite um fully up
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to speed. So those guys are all in the mix,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and that you know. Unfortunately, the two rookies, Chason Hines
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and Andrew Steuber still are not on the practice field.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So I think it's looking like a last year for
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: those for those guys in terms of winning any any
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: sort of you know, role with the with the twos,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I gotta give cut Justin Harronson
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: credit on that Kyle Dugger interception that ended practice a
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: couple days ago. He'd like chased down Dugger from the
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: other side of the field looked like Ben Watson, but
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: at least good effort from him. Neil from New Brunswick
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: checks in as a bossible a Christian Barmore could blow
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: up and become a star. If so, we'd be drawing
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: double teams a lot. So would it not makes sense
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to try to trade for or find a veteran who
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: is a pure pass rusher who could come off the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: opposite side of Joote on Barmore. Guys, what do you
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: think so far? Thumbs up? Right, Yeah, I mean I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: think that's true. I mean I think that's the thing
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: with josh uch that that you want Ouche to be
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: that guy, right like that's you need a second guy
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: to step up. So far, it seems like OUCHA. Maybe
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Jennings is a little bit in that mix, but otherwise
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot out of Perkins. Cameron mcgroan,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I know was it was a darling kind of this offseason.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: He's still kind of in that lower range, So I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: think it's a I think it's a need to have
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: that complimentary piece to choot On and Barmore for sure,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: But Barmore looks like he's ready to take a jump.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Here's the one. Here's a good one from Brandon. How
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: do you feel about possibly trading Myers for a decent
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: pick born with then play Myers role and you signed
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Nixon the fifty three man roster, your wide receiver room
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: is now born Thornton, Parker, Nelson, Nixon. That's a cheaper,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: more dynamic I mean we've talked about that a little
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: bit so far, but um, I don't know cheaper more dynamic.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know about cheaper. Yes, I mean you can,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you can get rid of one of the guys that
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: makes a little money and it's cheaper, But I'm sure
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you're getting any more dynamic. I think Jakobe Myers is
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: a good player. Yeah, I think everybody wants to get
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: rid of him because he's not going to be the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: guy that's stretching the field and making big plays. But
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I think I think people are overlooking the fact that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: he caught eighty three passes last year and showed up
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: every week as the guy that Mac relied on. And
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not I haven't seen anything from Trey Nixon to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: tell me that he can out of my mouth that
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that's not someone that we've really seen a lot out
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: of yeat, like Tamara said, since mini camps. So it's
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's I think I think and might
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: have been zappy today. It might have been Mac, but
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I think it was Yeah, he had one catch, Yeah
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: he made he made a player or two flirts with
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the top line, but not not not nothing consistent. And
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I mean it was the opportunity I think in minicamp,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and and he took advantage of it. But I think
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: right now he's kind of waiting for an opportunity. But
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Christen Virginia ways and to Mary, I just want to
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: tell you he bought his Virginia Tech Boston College tickets
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and the Virginia Tech West Virginia tickets. But he said,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: speaking to Thort, it sounds like you guys are all impressed.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Should I feel safe to assume that he has more
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: potential and already a better player than Harry. I mean,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: let's not get crazy, um, but I think he's had
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: a good start, you know, and just by being out
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: there and catching the balls that's been thrown to him,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I think his speed shows up. But I don't know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I said the Paul kind of jokingly the beginning during
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: one of the live shows that like DeVante Parker showed
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you in the first couple of days what you wanted
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: to kill Harry to be in terms of winning those
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: contested catches. Just he's tough to handle. Harry would win
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: a couple, but I still think he got beat too much.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: But probably too soon to anoint tew th Guys, you think, well,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: even if Tykeon is a guy that all they have
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: doing is just running up and down the field, drawing
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the attention of a safety deep that's pretty productive. If
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: he yeah, absolutely, if he could get out there and
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: catch a ball or two like that, then his mere
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: presence is going to create what you think everybody else creates,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and that's that safety help over the top mic so
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that there is some value in that. But you have
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to do the Bethel Johnson thing. You have to at
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: least put it in the defense's mind that you can
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: make that play once or twice. And that's why I
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: think they're using him a lot, and you see it
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: almost every day at practice. He's with Matthew Slayter and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Justin Bethel and working on the gunner stuff with special teams.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Because if he's going to be the fifth receiver, you
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: have to find a way to get him, you know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: on the field, to justify having him be active in
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the game. So if he's going to be like a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: bit role as a home run hitter, like Alex said,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: then he needs to do something else to, you know,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: sort of justify that. Yeah, let's let's go to the phones.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: We got Willie and Philly check in. What's up William?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: What's going on? Mike? How you see? I feel pretty good.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: It's a little hot out there, but uh, we're in
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the the thick of it right now. I kind of
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: enjoy the camp. You know, it's like every day kind
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of feels like groundhunk day. But but it's it's fun.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It's fun. Okay, how many how many questions do I
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: get to add? The floor is yours? My friend? Go ahead,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: all right, I'll do the rest of the show. We'll
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: just listen. We'll hang up and listen. Okay, Um, what
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: was the deep tackle's name again that we just got? Yeah?
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Got Youah, we could have did something else with that money. Correct.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know we even I didn't know what
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the pages even had money I get to give him? Yeah,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's more out the future money
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you're giving him instead of the current money. But but
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you know, you're right, it's still money. It actually lowered
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: his cap number, right, Okay, and um Mac looked like
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Mac look like he looked frustrated. I've seen that interview.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I mean he just looked very frustrated a little bit,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I could imagine I'm trying
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: to learn it. I knew something new, new plays and onnot,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: but he just looked as he was answering all the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: questions and stuff. Then he just looked frustrated to me,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's understandable. Yeah he does.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: And I mean I mean to credit It's not as
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: demonstrative as it was, but I think you can definitely
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: feel some frustration there. Okay, And tomorrow they are training
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: him tomorrow, right yep, same time. Uh well, alex Or,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know who's gonna be out there interviewing. Can
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this now, I've seen a video
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: of twin Conthor in Busy. I know he could burner.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I seen him catching the ball and he didn't burn
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: any of the basic corners. Was pretty safety. I just
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to know, couldn't he can we do one hand
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: catches or or you know what I mean, or any
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: type of a little how you say or lord rads
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: people anything like that. Well, he's made some difficult catches,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I would say, in one on ones throughout throughout the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: five or six days we've been out there. Okay, and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: my last, my last question, and this one is for ball. Well,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I know you're gonna give it to me straight, so
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I'm playing for what. We're only gonna win three games.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't count for what you see. And I know
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: we're still in the early process right now, but what
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: is what do you think so far as far as
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: what you have seen? Well, I mean it hasn't Yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm with Mac like I mean, it hasn't
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: been very good offensively, and I think part of that
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: is because they are sort of adjusting and adapting to
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: new things. But I'm not I'm just not ready to
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: push the panic button, you know, a weekend of practice.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I think there's been enough good signs. I think, you know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: we just talked about thought in a little bit, and
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I think he's been a little better than than I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: would figure he would have been at this point. Um,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna write a little bit about Agalore
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: at some point today as well. So I don't think
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: it's been like a complete wash offensively, like they gotta
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: just rip up this playbook and go to something different.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: But it's been it's been a slow transition. It hasn't
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: been great. I mean, I I'm not gonna sugarcoat it
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and tell you, oh, you don't worry. You know, it's
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: been it's fresh listening. But he's not on the show today,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: so I can't just say everything's gonna be fine. Do
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you think that's because of the musical chairs on the
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: offensive line or or is it like like, I think
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: it's a little of everything. I mean, I I don't
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: think there's a root cause completely. I mean, I think
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: it's just a question of how much you know, do
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you give this offensive transition and how different is it really?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: You know? Only they know that for sure, But uh,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: we'll see. Let's let's keep the calls rolling here, uh
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and go to Eldred, North Carolina. What's up Eldred? Hey fella, lady,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: how you how you doing today? Well? Okay, I just
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: gotta concern and a question, Okay, I'll read it. Interview
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: with Matt like, like you frustrated the defense won a
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: game one that day, whatever it was. But my question
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: is if that defense could pressure on that on this
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: offense you're not concerned about doing in the season, would
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator not originally offensive coordinator? That's my chief concern. Yeah,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I'm concerned about the offense. I am. I've been pretty
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: consistent in talking about the lack of direction and whatnot.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And until I see that there's some sort of you know, uh,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: cohesion and consistent production, I'm going to continue to be
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: concerned about it. Yeah, but I'm not again, I'm not
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: calling it an abject disaster like has been written in
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Boston over the last couple of days. Yeah, so they
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: worried too, the hump all Oh no, I mean Mac
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: is worried. I mean, I don't think it's telling secrets here.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I mean Matt is expressing frustration, like it's not fun
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: to be the quarterback can not be able to move
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the ball consistently. I mean, especially when you know this
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: has been one of the biggest questions surrounding the offense.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Is this the right way to go forward with? You
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and you certainly want to allow
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: them some leeway to change things and to maybe look
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: a little clunky out of the gate, but at some
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: point it has to get better. And I think if
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: you know, someone like Josh McDaniels were here an offense
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: recording that you had for a while, you'd feel like
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: they'll get it. They know what they're doing. They've put
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: this offense in before exactly, you know. And so I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I hear Eldred and I mean, you know, I you
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: know the show. I mean, I've been talking. I'm more
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: confident about the defense I think the offense is. I mean,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not ready to blow the trumpet for the defense
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: right now because all things consider what it is in practice.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: But you know, my my concern level for the offense
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: has definitely risen over the last few days. It's just
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: it's just look clunky and not consistent and not you
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: know where even where they left off last year. So
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: we'll see if they if they continue and start to
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: click in a year. But it's it hasn't been good
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: here through the last few days. Although I will say
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: today it felt like there were, you know, some glimmers
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: here and there, maybe a little bit more than yesterday.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm grabbing at straws there. But that's my thoughts.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Did you say today, Yeah, yeah, I thought today was
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: better than yesterday. Look a little bit better he does,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: he does. I think you'll be happy. I think you'll
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: be happy with him, you know, if he can. Thanks Eldred,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Thanks Biggy. Yeah. I do think people will be be
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: excited about about Thorton. I mean, but one of my
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: big thoughts with Thornton now is just, you know, get
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: them involved more, like we said the same thing like
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Red Shirt Bethel Johnson, a couple of shot plays, like
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: get him going, like I mean, you've only got a
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: certain amount of time of this guy that the sooner
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you can get him up to say that might be
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: part of your offense, and make that speed part of
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: your offense the better. Who was the emailer earlier that
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: suggested sort of peddling Myers and you know that would
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: be a way to get more explosive if you wanted
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to replace Myers with Thornton. That's a totally different kind
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: of receiver. I just you know Nixon's not going to
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: give you that. Um but but Myers, I mean, if
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Thornton could, if if he pans out and he is
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: as advertised, as a second round pick, and he becomes
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: the next in this line of receivers in the last
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: three four years that have come right into the league
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and immediately produced. You know, you could get You could
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: make an argument that forty or fifty catches from someone
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: like that could be more valuable than eighty catches from
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: someone like Myers. Yeah. I think everyone's issue with like
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Myers is when you look at his stats, you don't
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: see a ton of touchdowns. He has a lot of receptions,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: but not a lot of touchdowns, And so maybe they're
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: looking like, Okay, maybe we can trade him away and
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: get someone who can actually help us to the board.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, though, I feel like there's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: kind of a void of simple quick plays to the
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: slot receiver. Really. I mean, you've seen a lot of
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: checkdowns and some really good depasses too, but you know
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: that's that. I think that's maybe my biggest question right
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: now with the offense is like, you know, where's Born
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: and Myers, Like, how are they going to fit in
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: and are they going to start to you know, contribute
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: once things get real and it's real football, YadA, YadA, YadA,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: is that going to open them up? I don't. I
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: just I think that that's a part of the of
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: it all that that isn't quite settling right for me.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: But you know, people are definitely on him. Michael Aguilar
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: are writing in the same thing. You know, could Thornton
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: could you envision him being a big factor? I don't
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: know if I'm ready to say a big factor, but
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I just think his physical talent jumps off the field
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: more so than you know, most of the guys that
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: are on the field right now. And at some point
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: you got to get that involved. And the longer you
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: wait is it, you know, are you wasting time with him,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: wasting him under contract for four years? You know? Like see,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: that's my feeling on rookies in general, though. I don't
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: feel like if you think the salary structure is important
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and you're concerned about the cap and your roster structure
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of the salaries that I don't think you
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: can afford. You just blanketly let rookies slowly acclimate themselves
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and work their way. And that's what I thought. The
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: best thing they came out of last year was you
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: had three rookies that played major roles in mac Jones,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Christian Barmore and Ramadreson like, so, now you don't you
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: didn't only get three years out of You're gonna get
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: a full four and in max case, you have a
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: chance to get a fifth as the first round pick.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of quote unquote redshirting a
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: guy unless he can't play. So if the guy shows
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a monicum of ability, I like to get him out
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: there and then figure out, you know how I can
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: maximize his ability on his rookie contract, if that's important
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: to you. I don't care about the roster structure salary wise.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I just want good players. So if Ronnie Perkins can't play,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I don't need to get him out there because the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you know, the four you know, if or mondre Stevenson
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: was a flash in the pan, I don't need to
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: get four years, you know what I mean. I don't
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: need the cost effective is I need good players. Yeah,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: And that's why I like, uh, you know, the idea
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: of letting Thornton figure it out. Yeah, I mean that's
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I think it'd be easier if Agilore and Parker hadn't
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: really done anything yet, because those are kind of the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: outside guys at the top and it's hard after that
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: practice to say, well, just get rid of Aglare and
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: put him you know, Agler has been pretty good, so
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: it's some tough choices. I mean, I think some of
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: the depth will will get played out as it always does,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and injuries and some of the further competition. But some
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: woman in the Bay Area writing in and my apologize
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: it's been quite some time since he's written in, but
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: asking about Mac Fridays on Saturday and Friday's training camp show,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: it seemed he was unimpressive at times and not putting
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the ball where it needs to be. From what you've observed,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: What did you seem from him that could be correctable
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: in a short period of time, and what do you
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: have a lot more of a long term concern with
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: It's hard to discern, but I just feel like, and
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I know Mike Giardi was at practice and wrote a
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: lot about, you know, feeling that the receivers just weren't
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: able to get open. And granted they were in the
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: red zone, so that's challenging for guys to shake loose
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: down there, but yeah, I just felt like they're not
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: in sync right now, Like there was like some timing
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: things that you know, sometimes it's the protection. Sometimes it's
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you know, Mac wants to go somewhere and he's got
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: to tuck it. It's just it's not like he's missing
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: guys or guys are open, or oh this should be it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: It just kind of feels jumbled, And again, I would
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: connect it. If this is, you know, one of these,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: we're gonna just basically want run inside zone and wide zone.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: You know, that needs to be operational and a weapon
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: to open up everything else. With the play action, we're
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: starting to see some of those off of the you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you fake like everybody's running right and then he's going
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to roll back to the other side and try to
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: hit the deep playum. You know. So I think it's
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: all kind of connected, and until they get the running
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: game kind of going, it's it's hard to hard to read.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to put it on him and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: say he's not hitting guys that are open. I don't know.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I wish we had video with it because then you
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: could see really who's getting separation and who wasn't. But
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, what did you guys think of Mac overall?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Just you know, what, what are the issues there? Do
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: you think? I mean, it's all speculation right at this point. Yeah,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I think, I think it's a little bit of everything.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's a mixture of the musical chairs on
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the offensive line obviously the new air quote new offense,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: because like for the most part, the players are the same.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: You have some musical chairs on the office offensive line,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: but you have the same wide receivers for the most part, obviously,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: besides the Devonte Parker. Also, we haven't talked about Time
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Montgomery um at all, um, but he had a few
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: catches today because I remember talking talking to brot him
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: up before you popped on a you know, just one
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: of those guys. It just seems involved and does a
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: lot of things. Yeah, I like that. I like the
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: versatility out of him a lot. I think that the
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: struggles and the offense. I think it's just a lot
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: of combination of things between the musical chairs and the
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: offensive line, Like it all starts up front and then
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: um the new offense. I think, and I'm hoping that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: irons itself out by next week, but it's hard to
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: put a timetable on it. Yeah, and I'd say too,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think, I mean, I think the offensive
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: line is has been pretty good in drills. Like I
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: liked what I saw at Trent Brown today. I mean
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the second he gets his hands on somebody just throws
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: them to the ground. Um, you know, I don't know.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe there's something there with a when you again, Paul,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: like with the handbright stuff, is that trying to find
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: depth or are they you know, not not quite as
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: high as as on when you Well, I think that's true,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: There's no question about that. Otherwise he would have started
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: last year. He lost his starting job. But I do
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: think that the handbright thing is trying to find some depth.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: They're trying to figure out who are our seven guys
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: eight guys that are going to be active on game day.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: So question if it if this switching them doesn't work out,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: do you switch them back or you just ride it out?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a good question. If it doesn't
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: work the way they think, I mean, it's put them back,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: put them back where they're like when you switch them back,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: or just ride it out and hope that as they
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: get more reps it just gets better. It's I mean,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: it's a good question. I think they feel like Brown
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: is better at left tackle them win. So I don't
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: think that's changing. Yeah, I mean, I don't. I don't
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: have any knowledge of that. I just I'm I'm doing
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the Fred curtishism there, you know, Paul and Fred. One
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: of our tenants is always just watch what Bill does.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Don't listen to anybody saying anything. Just watch what Bill does.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: From the first day we got to see the twenty
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: twenty two team, Trent Brown has been on the left side,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Issaiah Win's been on the right side. Anytime that both
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: of those guys have been out on the field, that's
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: where they've been. Yeah, And I don't and I don't
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: think that's gonna Do you think Win has gotten some
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: left tackle reps if I remember seeing correctly. I haven't
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: seen it, so I can't confirm. I think I saw
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: somebody tweet that out, but it's a good question. I mean,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I just think when they made the switch so soon
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: in the spring, that seems to think that was when
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Trent Brown went and took a lap. Yeah, I mean,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I'm dead serious. I think that was. That's possible, and
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: that was probably a five place span by Brown came back.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: It was let's let's go back to the phones are
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: real quick. We got Matt and Ohio. Check it in. Matt,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: you're on Patriots Unfiltered. Here you guys, how you doing good?
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: They so, yeah, I got the same concerned you guys
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: do about the offensive defense, but I don't want to
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: change up the subject on it. But what would you
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: guys think about the recent uh thoughts? Transaction? Was that? Basically, yeah,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: we got this isn't an offseason show. We got the training.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: We got training can to talk about. I think the
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: socks are done, but I would I would definitely look
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: to get some pieces if they could. I don't know
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: enough about the minor leagues. It sounds like the Vasquez
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: deal was a good one for the Red Sox, but
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know enough about the minor leagues to intelligently
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: talk about that. Oh yeah, we're on what's that? We're
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: on that for a nothing burger answer, We're onto football. Um.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Adam checking in from somewhere. I'm not sure where exactly,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: but curious to see how Stidham looks Thursday night at
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow night, I guess that's gonna be our two nights
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: is to kick off the Hall of Fame game. So
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: no nobody here, no, because I saw a tweet that
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and ETN aren't playing, and so I would
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: imagine that, you know, the Raiders do the same, and
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: just I mean yeah, I just yeah. I wouldn't imagine
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: that we're gonna see to kill Harry. I think there'd
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: be a lot of a lot of people hyped up
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: for McKiel. Have we heard anything on a Bears camp
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: from him? I haven't we heard one low light one
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: low light perform. Yeah. Yeah, the fans were enjoying. But uh,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: question here from Johnson in Nova Scotia. Um, compared to
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: last year's camp, how's the play calling changed? Is the
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: offense throwing the ball more? If so, are you surprised
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: we only have Mac and Zapp getting all the reps
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: instead of another qb um. I just think it's the
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: change in the run game. There's not there's not a
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: lot of pulling guards. It's it's a lot of the simple.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's been the change. But I don't think
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: they're throwing it anymore or less. I mean, they start
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: off obviously ensure it, so it's all almost all throwing.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: It seems pretty balanced. And I mean I don't want
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: to I really don't want to say this, but I
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: kind of feel it. I just I kind of felt
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: like Mac looked more comfortable last year out of the gate.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if if that's you know, which is
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: fun because this is a system that was more geared
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to what he did, right, he was more with the RPO.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Is the stuff that we talked about as like, I mean,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: we're going back to March, our off season shows in
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: March with you know, some of the stuff that quote
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: unquote he taught Billy O'Brien at Alabama. You remember that whole. Yeah,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I mean this this goes back a long way, you know,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if we've necessarily seen I wonder
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: if maybe he's fine with it, but the receivers haven't
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: been as quick to adapt and maybe not getting open
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: as much. The one thing that I see about the
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: offense all the time is it definitely appears to me
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: that Mac is forced to pull the ball down way
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: more often than he did last year. He's he's looking
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: to make a play with his legs and you know,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: extend plays improvised way too many throws across his body.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: It just hasn't it's looked clunky. Yeah, that hasn't a
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: clunky I mean the way you said it too, it
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: just reminded me of what I felt like a Stidham
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: his rookie year or what we saw or was just like, ah,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: he's just he doesn't quite he isn't quite there yet.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: It's just not you know, he's not seeing it. And
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: that's why you're in that weird region of like, well,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: is this you know, new new offense, there's new progressions
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: for him to go through. We don't. We don't really know,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: but um, each day you hope it gets a little better,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: and I think it was a little bit better today,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: but there's a long way to go before they take
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the field next week against the Giants. Uh Andrew from Annandale,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Virginia writes in now, what's the latest on Pierre Strong
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: and what sort of role could he play? Still limited? Right, Yeah,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I mean we don't really even see him up and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: then it seems like he kind of disappears. We haven't
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: really seen him take any reps. Kevin Harris has been
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I think getting more of those reps because of that,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: but it's still tough to see right now, especially like
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: we said, like the defensive line is stuffing them, so
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: it's there's not an opportunity for us to really see
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: those guys, you know, yeah, be super productive. Well, I
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: thought Harris caught the ball pretty well today. I mean
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I think that was a little bit of an underrated
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: part of his game. Um, you know, he's getting the
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: bottom reps down there with JJ Taylor as well. But again,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a big, big, bruising back. It's hard to really get
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: a sense of what he is just yet. Stead Rights
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: and you guys have been talking about Thornton a good
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: bit during camp. Seemed to really be tempering your expectations.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I know we have a poor history of drafting skill
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: positions high, but I don't think it's reasonable unreasonable to
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: expect him to have an immediate impact wide out. Drafted
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: that highly on any other team would be hell to do,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: higher standard than I think Thornton is with us. That's
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: probably true. Super excited from Mac this year, I think great.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I think Bourne will be our a thousand yard guy,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: followed by Parker and JOHNU. I think John, who needs
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: over fifty catches seven or fifty yards to make me
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: happy with his contract, thought, uh, well, I think John
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: has looked pretty good. A thousand yards for Hendrick Bourne. Yeah,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: that one, that one right now. It's it's it's hard
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: to see with how how camp has kind of started again.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I think he started last year kind of slow, so
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: so you know, I could see a thousand Dante maybe
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: here at this point, but a lot of a lot
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: of contested catches. But I think John has had a good,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: good camp. I mean, I think he consistently shows up
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and I think the good thing with all these guys
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: is that they're not really getting injured. You're not seeing
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: like guys in and out. I mean, Dietrich wise has
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: been has been limited. He missed a couple of days.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: He's been back out there, um you know, kind of
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: mid practice. He comes up it seems like um from
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the fields. But you know, I think that's what that's
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: what we're hitting a lot with Taekwon Thornton. I mean
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: it's just what is his ceiling and how quickly can
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: they get him to play a sizeable role. And I
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: think he's you know, shown some good things. That Harry
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: got sidelined with injuries right out of camp, and you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: you just get behind the eight ball and never you
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: never can quite get caught up. I also wonder too,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: if like for a rookie, you're not swimming in last
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: year's offense to come in and if this is a
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: simpler offense that he doesn't he's just kind of starting
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: from the ground level instead of having to unlearned certain
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: things and maybe incorporate other new things that I don't
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: know that that makes sense. Maybe I think that one
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: there's not a big star, like there's a bunch of
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: pieces in the wide receiver room, but there isn't like
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: a big gap at all, and so I think that
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: it gives him the ability to come in and and
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: and be productive, I guess without being like super intimidated.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I guess like he has a lot of great guys
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: to learn from, but there's not one that like one
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: or two guys that are just like yeah, yeah, there's
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: like not that it guy, and they seem like a
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: good group. They seem like there's something yeah, but right now.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why he pops like his speed,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: and you know, just he just has those light feet
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: and you know, I just I don't want to, I
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: don't want to make the comparison to Randy Moss, but
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: there's just the body type reminds me of the long
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: lead kind of guy that seems to kind of build
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: up speed but also has, you know, some long strides
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: that I think are deceptive to guys, you know on
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: the shorter rights when he's breaking stuff off to the
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: middle as well. James Morris writing into early on the
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: spring train, Nixon was getting all kinds of praise, no
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: talk about him so far. How does he look? I
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: just tread water right now, right treading water. He kind
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: of going home, staying up at night. I feel like
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I lost in the shuffle, like lost in the shuffle.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I think I just think he's been really quiet since
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: training camp started. So like that's why, like I cautioned,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: sometimes days and plays are designed like there was. I
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: think Tomarow used the phrase about a half hour ago
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: about like we had a Jacobe Meyer's day, like all
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, he caught like five or six passes,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: you know, and clearly things would design to get that
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: position involved. And there's been days early on the first
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: day was DeVante Parker, and back in mini camp there
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: was probably a period that was designed to get Trey
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Nixon up to speed and involved in some of those connections,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and they only haven't been any of those since since
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: training camp started, so he's been quiet and I think
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: it for Mini Camp TRAINIX and also had that that
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: ability to you know, get more reps because Kendrick Bourne
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: was out too, so then that was that was another
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: piece of it. Or he wasn't there so then he
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: had the chance to take some reps with Matt And
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: that's and that's why I say trading water like waiting
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: for his opportunity, waiting for that chance to be able
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: to jump in. Oh, it looks like Hardy's still got
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: on our Microsoft surface there on the sports side upstairs.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe never got that back off Fred. We should go
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: out there and that harassment bit Todd and Greenville writes
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: in I know that you cannot comment on specifics, but
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: have you seen anyone in the backfield that would normally
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: not be there? Just a lot of the defenders. I think, yeah,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Davin garda Christian Lawrence guy. That was my bad joke
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: of the day. Have you seen any jumbo packages with
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: a guard coming in? Is that? And now, I mean
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: it's been pretty pretty pretty straightforward running game. There's not
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: there's in a fullback being involved in this offense. There's
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: nobody really playing fullback. Um, no, I agree, hasn't been
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: any of that there, and you know they're not no
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: real Shenanigans even like of course we wouldn't even tell
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: you anyway, but you know it's not. But I can
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: tell you that we haven't. Yeah, you know. And uh,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: let's see what else we got here on please, uh yeah,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: give us a ring as the phone. The phone lines
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: have opened up here a little bit, so five five pats,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: five hundred, send us an email, ask us about I mean,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like we're touching on on everybody and also too,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: probably a good point to talk they you know, some
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: bottom of the roster signings today. Brad Hawkins, safety from
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Michigan be Hawk was here. Be Hawk actually had a
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: loud hit, elicited a lot of reaction from his defensive
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: teammates first day day, making an impact and uh you
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: know that's what his close friends call him, be Hawk
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: as well as another because you can never have too
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: many safeties. Another safety, I'll let you do the honors
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: to Mary. Number thirty six was out there today. Jalen
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Elliott Notre dame. So what's what's his deal, dude or
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: anythingbout him? You're any scouting report for US here scouting Report.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I was a little shocked because, again another safety, I thought,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was that good. I'm just shocked
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: that I didn't really see that as a need right now.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Not to say that he's not a good player. He's
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: a great player, but I think I was a little shocked.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: We're not bringing in a lot another linebacker maybe, Like
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you already got just like seven safeties that yeah,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Like all the signings we've made have been like receivers. Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: And so the two like two of the deepest areas. Yeah,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit confused. I was. I was
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: a little bull shocked about that. I was looking for
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: maybe like a linebacker. Was he there? Was he there
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: during your time? Yeah? He was? He was um yeah
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: with the Lions before this. Um. And so I'm I'm
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: not too sure how this is going to shake out,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: considering all the safeties that we already had a lot
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: of guys above him. And I mean I will say
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: to uh, you know, guy, we haven't mentioned everybody's on
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free agent watch. I mean Brendan school or
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: seems like he's in like the Matthew school. Matthew Slater
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: School of Special teams, like private tutoring sessions, and uh,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: you know, looked like he was getting some things right today.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I was just watching some of the drills that he
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: was doing on you know, blocking on punt return and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: you know, just getting some some good encouragement from from
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Cam a Cord on the job he was doing in
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: terms of getting in position and blocking. So you can
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: never rule out, of course, the special team studs that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: come in here and play significant roles. Um did you
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: what about Um? We're still talking again per Alex's comment
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: about us being super deep on wide receiver in safety
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Lord Jordan Humphrey, Jordan, we haven't talked a lot, not
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: a lot. Well, did he make a play today, Paul?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I think he made a pass today. He did catch
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: a pass, and not in like eleven on eleven. I
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: don't mean like to be dismissive like all you caught
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: up at no in eleven on eleven, real game. I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: mean he put him with with Christian Wilkerson, guys that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you know pop up maybe with cash here or there,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: with the second team with with Bailey Zappy. Uh. The
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: other edition they had made was was Josh Hammond, another
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: practice squad guy who's been around a little bit. Um.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: One more guy wanted to to mention, Oh, just in
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: on Hawkins, you know, coming out of Michigan. Another like
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: safety strong safety box safety. Patrick Chung was here earlier.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Asked Bill Belichick today about just this group, and you
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: know how much that position has evolved, because it certainly
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: seems like it's a strength of the team if they're
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: able to put them all in the field. But I
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: the question is, how do you get all those guys involved?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: I mean Jabrol Peppers is they're all kind of unique.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: They all kind of have unique traits and stuff, and
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: you know, just running through I mean, Adrian Phillip's been
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: super involved, mccordy on the back ends doing some coverage
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: as well. I mean, I think Dugger's been a little
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: bit of a buzz guy who's who's had a big
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: interception to end, I think it was Saturday's practice, but
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: has gotten picked on a little bit in coverage with
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: some of the tight ends as well. I think you
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: know John who had had him on a couple. I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: think he's a guy to watch. I mean, I know
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are kind of hyped for him
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: to maybe take that next step as a safety. But
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: as we've talked about, how do you take the next
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: step when that's such a big group and you're all
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: going to play? You know, yeah? Do you so? I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: was just thinking about this earlier. Do you see you
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: know someone that's gonna fill the void of jac Jackson
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: yet or not yet? Still early? I mean, oh, yeah,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: to fill the void of Jay. No, they don't have
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: anybody that can do that. There. That's a that's a concern.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: And I mean the secondary. It's funny because the secondary
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: is locked up these receivers for the most part. But
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: I think that's more about the offense is transition than
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: it is the defense showing up something about the defense.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: I think the front, the defensive front has been pretty strong,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: but the secondary, to me, like Jalen Mills is you know,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: a scrappy guy that we saw last year, but I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: don't think he's jac Jackson caliber Jac Jackson or you know,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Steph Gilmore, He's not. He's not that kind of player. Yeah. Well,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: the final member of the the squad today has joined.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Evan Lazar is now checking in after me, and I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: can check out and write, well, I haven't we've been,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've been going around the horn right now,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: and I just want to give you a chance to
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: way in on just some general general thoughts about what
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: you've taken from from Patriots Tenny camp here in the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: first six days. Well, I was listening a little to
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit of the first hour, and I thought
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: that Paul nailed it when he said it's another one.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: There's another one that's going to go far in this business,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: thank you. We're two padded practices in, right, and you're
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: installing a new system, which, whether they want to admit
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: it or not, is very different transition from what they're
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: doing before. And there's a rush to judgment that all
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: of us have to deal with, right where you got
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: to hold back a little bit and not get too
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: far ahead of yourself. Here. The Patriots and Bill Belichick
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: would love to hear me say this. They don't play
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: a regular season game for over a month, right, So right,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: So to get all cont just trying to get the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks to get all caught up in the fact that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: in the second padded practice, the running game looks shaky.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: To put it politely, it is a little bit premature.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: It is now the one thing that I'll say about
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: the offense that worries me is today in particular, and
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: we talked to him after practice, and you know, Mac,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: he's a statesman, He's going to say all the right
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: things at the podium, but he looks like somebody that
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: is not quite understanding what they're doing completely all the time.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: And he's the most important guy in the room. So
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't understand it, or he doesn't feel comfortable
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: running it, then they probably shouldn't be running it. And
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I think that that's where they have to figure things
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: out over the next couple of weeks, is is this
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: actually what's best for the personnel that we have. Because
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I've been clamoring for watching practice, let's get into the
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: two minute, Let's get some pace to this thing. Let's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: put Mac in the shotgun and let's spread the field.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: And if he doesn't look good, then then it's time
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: to be a little bit worried. But because he's not
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: running bootleg actions very well, I can't really get all
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: hot and bothered about that yet. Two practices in, Yeah,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and I agree with the stuff. I'm not going to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: get into the exits and oos because that's for brighter
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: football minds than me. But what I will say is
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: they'll figure out the stuff that's working better and they'll stick.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: It's like last year, right at the outset, you didn't
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: see bombs away. You saw a lot of quick stuff
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: to James White. In the first game, you know, maybe
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: a wheel route down the sideline was probably the highlight
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: offensive play of that opener against Miami. You saw a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: lot of running the football. They'll fall back into the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: things that they're doing best, and then you'll see them
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: spread the field a little bit and then work off
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: at that. I do feel like in order for this
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: offense to get any better than it did last year,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to find a way to get
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: the ball down field more effectively than they did last year.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: That's not really been the problem. Like the execution of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: whatever they're doing right now is the problem. Not oh,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Matt can't throw it, you know, the whole like the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: arm strength thing has nothing to do again with how
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: far he throws it. It's how long it takes it
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: to get there. And I don't think that's been the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: problem so far. It's been execution and sort of widespread
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: And you talked about the running game, Evan that I'll
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: say has been an object as ask and Mac. That's
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: actually one of Max's quotes today. He's like, it's our
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: job to execute, and we're not doing that. Like, we're
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: not executing. It's like they could give us all the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: plays in the world, but like, if we're not executing it,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: if we're not doing our job, then of course it's
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: not gonna work. Yeah. I liked Evan's points just about
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: we haven't seen any of like the situational football where
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: you're going down the field and Bill's putting the ball
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: here and then all right and then boom boom boom.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, you haven't seen any of that. I think
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: that's that's a great point, but I think it begs
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: the question, though, you know, you're supposed to tailor this
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: offense right to Mac, Like, isn't this supposed to be
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: playing to his strength? Isn't this supposed to be doing
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: what he does best? Like should there be this much
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: of an adjustment period when you're supposed to be tacking
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: into what he does best? That's you know, that's the question. Yeah,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: And I like a lot of the elements of what
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: they're trying to do because I think The main goal
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: of it is to try to get some of these
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: faster playmakers, are good ball carriers that they do have
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: into space more often, which I think is a good
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: goal to have. But you start to talk about the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Shanahan tree and the McVeigh coaching staff or wherever you
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: want to go with it, and look at the quarterbacks
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: that those coaches have targeted now that they have some
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: consistency in their program. It's Trey Lance, it's Matthew Stafford,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: it's Zach Wilson with the Jets. These are athletic, big armed,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: you know, high arm talent level quarterbacks. These are not
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: you know, the guys that win with accuracy, with good
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: you know, mechanics and with good reads and timing and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: things like that above the ears, like like Mac does.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: This is all about physical tools. And there's a reason
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: why the forty nine ers traded in Jimmy g for
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Trey Lance. There's a reason why the Rams traded in
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff from Matthew Stafford. It's because those quarterbacks fit
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: what they do schematically a little bit better. So my
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: biggest concern with what they're doing schematically offensively is number ten.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Is this, what's best for Mac Jones or is this
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: what's going to get the best out of him? Because ultimately, yeah,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: it might be great for Johnny Smith to run some
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: some motion and to run some zone concepts and things
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: like that, but the offense is not going to take
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: off because Johnny Smith is having a little bit more
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: of a productive season. It's going to take off because
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones makes that step forward. Yeah, I mean that's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: and that's why I never really bought Mac to the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers last year when that was a rumor
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: at three, Like, it just didn't really seem to fit
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: like that Shanahan what he wants to do. So that's
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: why overall, I just I have some questions. I think
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: if we had come out here and see a bunch
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: of RPOs while Mac did in college and be like,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: all right, this will makes sense. But yeah, none of
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: that really. I mean, what about on the defensive side
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: of the ball. Just you know what's kind of stood
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: out to you? Any players or anything that you know,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: at least first few days that that have caught your eye. Yeah,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: we'll see if it if it keeps up. Just how
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: much a visit the offense struggling versus the defense, But
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage has been dominated by the defense
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: through two padded practices really very consistently, and not just
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: the starting defensive line, but also the second string defensive
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: line has controlled the trenches as well. Acquity, Daniel Aquality
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: and one on ones had a few wins yesterday today
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: it was a little bit more on the offensive line
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: side of thing, But overall, when we get into eleven
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: on elevens, the defensive front, the linebacker group, you feel
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: a lot more optimistic about that group. I'm still not
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: ready to get super hyped up about the corners yet,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: just because what they're going up against currently right now
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: is not going to be Tyrone against Tyreek Hill and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Dalen Waddle in Week one, So well, let's wait and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: see on the back end. But in terms of the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: front end, I think coming into the it's into camp.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Linebackers in particular was one spot where it seemed like
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: the team wanted to move forward with a different regime there.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: And I would say that guys like ray Kua, McMillan,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: mac Wilson and I think moves at a different speed
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: than some of the other linebackers they've had here in
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: the past, and even Juwan Bentley, who not to give
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: away too much of what they're doing with Juwan Bentley,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: but they're moving him into spots where I think he's
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: going to be less in coverage and less in space
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: and not have to worry about those foot races as
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: much over the middle of the field. So I like
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: what they're doing in the front seven defensively, And I
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: could go through the whole depth chart on the defensive
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: line and say, oh, this guy's been pretty good. That
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: guy's been pretty good, Henry Anderson, some of the younger
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: guys like Lebrian Ray had a good day. She's just
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: about to bring him off someone. Dave and Bethlehem just
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: wrote in asking about about Lebrian Ray. Yeah, yeah, we've
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: gotten to Lebrian Ray. Portion. Hey, listen, second to last
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: rep of eleven on eleven's everybody's hooting and hollering because
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Nelson Aglare caught the ball at the back of the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: end zone and it was a good pass from mac
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Lebrian Ray would have hit his arm, maybe would have
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: sacked him. Honestly, if this was a live situation, went
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: right around Trent Brown. So he's good and I know
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: exactly the play you're talking about because it just wrote
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: it up for AGLOW because I'm right, I choose to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: focus on the skill position guys, but I know exactly
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: the rep you're talking about absolutely, So I mean just
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: to get back to the offense for a second, because
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: just why do you think they did this? Like why
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: do you think they changed to this? Like what what
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: you know? I know you said that you think they're
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: trying to play to their strengths, But then when you
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: try to match up what they have a quarterback and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: you know, running back I think is a strength. You know,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: is this going to help the running game? You think?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Are these guys you know, going to be better zone
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: read instead of you know, power and having guys pull
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: and all all the stuff that they used to do
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: would seem like an almost overwhelmingly I don't want to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: say complex, but just the volume of modern running plays
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: that they would do, whether they had a fullback end
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: or not or two tight ends? Why why? Why is
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: this what we're trying to go towards. Well, the one
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: thing I keep on coming back to is if you
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: read about the Shanahan Tree and you study some of
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: their their tape and stuff like that, it's simple. It's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: really not an overly complex scheme. It's got maybe three
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: or four route combinations that they really stick to, especially
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: to their under center stuff. And it's wide zone left,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: it's wide zone right. It's a little bit of inside
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: zone sprinkled in just to keep the defense off balance.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, you're you could have you know,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Sean McVay probably has a playsheet that's ten plays long
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: in some weeks, you know, some installs. So for the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: most part, I think that the simplification, and this is
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: what Belichick was talking about during minicamp, the streamlined version
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: of this offense. I think that's number one is that
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: they're trying to make things easier to digest. And you
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: look at somebody like Tae Kwon Thorton, who has had
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: a nice start to training camp here. You look at
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: him and you say, okay, well, how can we develop
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: receivers better, how can we integrate young receivers better, and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: maybe getting into more simplified air when it comes to terminology,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: when it comes to route concepts will help guys like
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Tae Kwon Thorton, DeVante Parker, you know, newcomers to this
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: system pick it up a little bit quicker. That's I
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: think the number one thing you know, you mentioned sort
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: of they're seeing a lot of the zone concepts out
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: at practice. I also have noticed that when they run
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: to the left side, which is Cole Strange side and
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Trent Brown side, they are a little bit more successful
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: though when they run to the right side. And I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: wonder how much that has to do with okay on
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: when he was three hundred and twenty five pounds and
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: you're asking him to step out and get out on
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: the perimeter, whereas Cole Strange is drafted because he's a
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: super athlete and that's what he does. You know, there's
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: a little bit of that as well, where I think
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: they're a little bit better running left right. Well, it's
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: an interesting point because we have just brought up on
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: the menu earlier and you know, handbrake getting a little
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: run with some of those guys and pulling them when
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: you out, and we were kind of speculating, do you
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: think maybe so you know, not yet to speculate, but
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: perhaps they're saying, on one you might be a casualty
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: of this switch, and we need to get somebody who
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: can move a little bit better, you know, maybe will Sherman.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how. You know, he's been
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: kind of up and down. I think I've seemed to
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: be called seeing a couple couple laps by him, but
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: to see you put your piece up to h We'll
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: struggle here, uh in the early days of camp. But
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: you know, if it is so simple, then why is
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: it so hard to get? That's what I'm trying to
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: figure out. If it's if it's streamlined and it's supposed
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: to be easy, like why where's the disconnect? Like is
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: it the musical chairs? Is it the new pieces? And
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: how important is it in sync too? And moving the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: line and having all the line is one, because I
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: feel like that's a key part of this, of all
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: the line moving is one and being able, you know,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: to pick up guys and I mean you go back
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: to Denver. I mean they were the ones that you know,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: been running this thing forever and just seem to plug
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: back after back after back in that had you know,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: a thousand yard plus seasons. Mike Anderson being one of
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: a couple of fat guys that ran. We had good
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: seasons there here and there, but um, you know, at
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: some point it's it's it's got to start to turn
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: around a little bit. But I also wonder, you know,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: matt Mattie p talking about oh, as a defensive coach,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I know the things that gave us problems and you know,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: famously Patriots performance against the Sean McVay offense in the
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We're able to you know, hold them to
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: three points. You know, how do those two things marry up,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: you know, in terms of how Belichick and the Patriots
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: offense or defense we're able to stifle that attack, you know,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: to the point now which again, this doesn't all settle
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: well for me because it just doesn't doesn't sound like
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: something Bill Belichick would do, like all of a sudden,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: go all right, we got to go to this other
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: zone run scheme that's been around forever that you know,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: I've never really you know, I have never been a
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: part of that tree or anything like that, and now
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: we're going to do it, Like is it just to
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: keep it simple, is do you think that that you know,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: do you think those that the backs that they have
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: right now can be effective in that scheme? Well, I
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: think the main thing to answer your question is up front,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of breakdowns that are going on right now.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: And I mean I was charting eleven on eleven in
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: passing drills for the most part at the end there,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: and I wrote down three or four times unblocked defender
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: right through the line, right, And that is not about
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: physical breakdowns, right, It's not like Coal Strane or Trent
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Brown or David Andrews just can't block the guy lined
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: up across from that's gonna happen, you know, right, it's miscommunication.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: I wrote him my piece. You know, Matthew Judon, he
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: got around Trent Brown on one play. He's a pro bowler,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: like he's gonna get around people sometimes, right, that's gonna happen.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Christian Barmore is a game record. He's going to wreck
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: the game every once in a while. But the problem
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: is is when you write, you know, ninety four unblocked
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: off the left side bats a pass down, that's Henry Anderson,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Juwan Bentley off the left side again, unblocked right to
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: the quarterback, and then macoes and he runs around and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: acts like he scored a touchdown when Jowan Bentley was
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: gonna light him up. The crowd, yeah, yeah, the crowd things.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Biggest crowd reaction of the day was a sack. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: you know those had no idea that it was a sack, right,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: those types of plays. A big thing with this outside
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: zone running game is those interior combination blocks where you
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: have to work up to the second level. That's a dance, right,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: the rhythm of it, it's it's a real rhythmic thing
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: where the running backs and the combo blocks need to
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: sync up so that the back is cutting exactly when
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: the combo block is coming off, and those types of things,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: and the timing needs to be down. So we saw
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: today ray Kua McMillan shoot the gap and he just
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: got through for a tackle for loss on Damien Harris
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: almost instantly. Yeah, And those are the types of players
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: that the communication not seeing it through the same set
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: of eyes, and Max said it after practice, we got
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: to put it up on the board, We got to
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: watch the play, and we got to say to ourselves,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: all right, this guy came through unblocked, what do we
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: do about it? And those are some of the problem
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: solving things that I think they're doing probably right now
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: as we sit here and record the podcast. What do
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: you go ahead? I just I'm I just keep going
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: back to the like math conversation, and just like calculus
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: is the same, like the same, and so if three
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: people are teaching the same offense, you can teach it differently.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: So that's where I'm like, can I have a question
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: about It's been an hour and eighteen minutes and night
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: haven't really mentioned, you know, the offensive coordinator situation, And
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I personally think and Freddie and I have bickered about this,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: because that's what fred and I do, We bicker. But
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I wonder, to your point, Tamara, if this whole quote
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: unquote change streamlining, whatever you want to call it, was
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: because they don't have anybody to implement what they were doing.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: You know, Josh Mtels has been around forever, and all
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: of the coaches that were really a part of that
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: system have never coached that system. And I know Matt
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Patricia has been around for a long time, but the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: vast majority of his experience has been on defense, Joe
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Judge special teams. So those were your two best options
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: and you decided to do it. I still think that's
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: the reason why we saw Ivan Fears here every day
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: in the spring is because he was here for one
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: reason and one reason only, and that was to help
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: acclimate those two guys, Judge and Patricia into some of
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: the Patriots offensive concepts. That's why I don't think this
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: is just a widespread Hey, take that old playbook, Evan,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: row it away, and here's the new one we're gonna do.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I think it is a streamlining. I don't think it's
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: a complete overhaul. I think they're trying to do some
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: things differently that maybe Judge and Patricia do have some
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: background in to make it easier for them. And I
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: do think part of it was is for Mac, because
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: I do think Mac, like like Evan talked about, with
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: the spread, you know, getting in the shotgun, maybe doing
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: some RPO stuff, some you know, some things that are
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: he was a little bit more comfortable with, admittedly with
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: dynamic athletes all around him at Alabama that he does
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: not have now. But that might be part of it too.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: But I feel like if if Josh McDaniels were still here,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think we'd be talking about we need to
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: streamline this for Mac and the rest of them. Yeah,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: I think this was for the coaches. Yeah, that was
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: sort of what I was getting out, and I said,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: it's simplified. I don't think it's simplified necessarily for the players,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: especially not for mac Jones, because I think that he's
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: got a great grasp of football and it could probably
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: to just have had anything. When I was watching practice
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: today and watching guys come through blocked and things like that,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: all I could think about was where the heck is
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Dote Scarneckia and can we just like get him in
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: here for a couple of weeks through the rest of
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: training camp, because I could see Scar just ripping them
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: a new one right now, I'm going to pick at
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: now for the next month. Maybe if your defense are coordinated,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to coach the offensive line. You'd be
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: able to keep the defensive linement out of the back.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: I know he's happy in retirement, and he deserves to retire,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: and I don't I don't actually want him to come back,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: because he's done enough for this Organization's not coming back.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: But I mean, that was the one thought that crossed
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: my mind for sure during practice today. It was just like,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: man if if Scar saw the schemes that they were
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: running and how they were running them, I mean, it
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: must drive them crazy that they're not pulling guards and
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: having fullbacks anymore. Like that's he's old school, right, and
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: this type of stuff that they're doing now, I think
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: would really he would be like, what are we doing? Bill?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Tell you one thing, knock on Wood, but you know
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: we're talking about we got to figure out how to
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: get the offense on track six days into camp. Look,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: you're looking on Twitter around the league. Guy should get
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: like Tim Patrick for Broncos carted off the field during
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: today's practice. Ryan Jensen, the Pro Bowl center for the Bucks,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: looks like he's going to be out long term. Jordan Poyer,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: you know, all pro safety for Buffalo, last play of
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: practice left getting an MRI on his elbow. Looked like
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: a serious injury. I think they're already lost Micah Hide
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: for a little while, right, So it could be a
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: lot worse. They could. We could be talking about how
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: are they going to replace you know, some of these
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: guys that we think are going to be a big
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: part of the equation, and you know, knock on Wood.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: So far none of that. I guess Tim Patrick had
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: to be carted off too. So yeah, and the forty
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: nine ers who I've seen like double digit interceptions by
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Trey Lance h Well, then you know the question that
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: pops into mind. My mind though, is and and Fred
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: Fred says this all the time. You know, last year
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: team said the Patriots were easy to defend. Is simplifying
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: your offense gonna make it harder to defend or easier
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: to execute for you, and therefore harder to defend. You know,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, if everybody knows what you're doing now,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: and I can smake harder if this is another one
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: that I pick. The reason your reason to defend is
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: because you don't have dynamic players like I don't care
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: what your system is, because the only reason why they
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: ever made plays last year to me is when they
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: completely tricked the opponent. So you can scheme up and
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: get anybody open. But if you can't just consistently line
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: up and win one on one battles, it's gonna be
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: hard to you know, make yourself difficult to defend. I
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: don't care what system you're running. I think the one
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: thing that I've seen out there that does give me
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: some promise and not to hype up the rim too much. Right,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: but Taykwon Thornton can run. I mean that guy can fly.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: And at this point, that's what you got, right, is
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: I think that we talk about dynamic playmakers. The two
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: guys that have really stood out to me throughout camp,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: even going back to last week, our bar More who
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about in Taykwon Thornton and his
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: speed is you want to come and see speed and
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: see it in person and is it legit? Like is
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: this just a fourteen wait an indie at the combine
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: and spandex or is this actually football fast? And he
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: is actually football fast. So if they can find ways
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: to get the ball to him down the field, I
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: think he's going to be able to separate and I
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: think he's gonna be able to take off. But the
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: problem is right now, in order to get the guy's
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: up field, you got to be able to block him
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: up front for long enough for them to get down there.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: So that's you know, obviously marrying it up. But Taekwon
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Thorton's got legitimate NFL speed, you know, take the top
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: off type speed. Yeah, that was we were I mean,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time on him today. I mean,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: and and for good reason. And I think the question was,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we're like, oh, is he kind
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: of a retcher? Year He's gonna be Oh, we'll put
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: him out there for a couple of plays, let him
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: run down the field and give the defense something to
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: think about, you know, is it? And and I also
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: made the point that it feels like it will be
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: easier to say just throw them out there and get
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: them really involved if Parker and eglorn't weren't having pretty
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: good camp so far. Where do you fall evan on on?
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: How do you get him up to speed? A sap
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: make get that speed into your offense. Let it translate
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: so that you're you finally have these athletes like Paul
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: was talking about, guys that can push the envelope. And
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: and you know my phrase, turn the screws on defenses
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: of like watch watch. I mean, he won't be fifty
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: one of course to the season, but watch fifty one
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: on the outside. We know, you know, it's something to
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: think about. Yeah, I think at this point it's obviously
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: super early, But I don't know if they can afford
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: to keep him off the field for very long because
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: he is by far their most dynamic receiver in terms
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: of speed and ability to separate down the field. He's
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: got a different level of it than like Nelson aglor does,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: who's also really fast. So I think you look at
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: some of the things that I hope that they do
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: with him. Also don't just involve running in a straight
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: line down the field, right, Maybe he runs in a
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: straight line across the field, or maybe he takes a
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: jet sweeper an end around or something like that and
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: at least provides that horizontal and vertical stretch the defense.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, you talked about maybe throwing him out there
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: as a decoy, Like, I'm fine with that. If he's
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: playing fifty percent of the snaps and a lot of
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: it is just him taking the safety with him and
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: trying to pull coverage away from other guys like that,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: there's a very good use of that role as well,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't necessarily have to come in targets and
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: in production on the box score. If he's just out there,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: I think his speed just affects the way the defense
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: has to play. You Now, they just got to figure
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: out ways to fill in the intermediate level with the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: other guys, and all of a sudden, you got some
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: space to work with, which over the last couple of years,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: that is a big part of what they're trying to do,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: is everything seemed like it was happening in a phone booth,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: whether it was the running game or is the passing
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: game you're talking about like a twenty yard box, that
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: everything is going on again offensively, and maybe somebody like
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton or even Aglare today hit a throw down
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: the field. DeVante Parker the other day had one down
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: the left sideline, So maybe they can stretch the field
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit more this year. But Tai kwon speed,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: you have to put the safety over the top or
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: respect the deep posts or something like that, which why
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: I think they have to find a way to get
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: him active right away and give him some Bethel Johnson
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: like chances. They hope that he makes a couple of
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: catches because that will make every defensive coordinator take him
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: into account the rest of the way. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I've been impressed. I mean they haven't just been running
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: them outside too. They've been running out of the slot plenty.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: He's cut some passes over the middle. Sometimes he's almost
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: gotten light up little bit. I don't need any of that. Well,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: I think I think he'll break, you know, I think
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: he'll break if you try to use him like Dion Branch.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I don't need that, but it's at least encouraging to
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: think about, you know, just the potential. I mean, everybody
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: thinks about out wide receiver going deep, but you know,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I think having that, you know, seem stretcher and not
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: that you know that that that that's Max's strength, but
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: it still gives you something else to think about. Yeah,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Born this quiet so far quite so far. We've seen
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: him flash a few times, maybe more than non padded
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: practices in the red zone and stuff like that. But
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: I think Thorton in the slot. You know, he's not
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: gonna be Julian Edelman, He's not going to be Wes Welker,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: but you get that vertical slot element, which if you
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: look at Max Alabama tape him and DeVante Smith, John Mechi,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: I mean that's where he lived, right, slot fades, things deep,
• 1:27:02
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• 1:27:20
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  Speaker 1: It's just putting it all together that seems to be
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  Speaker 1: First off, I just want to say big welcome to
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  Speaker 1: very much, Thank you. There are rankings. I know everyone
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  Speaker 1: Or is that just you think it's part of the course.
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  Speaker 1: Should I follow? I'm much sure I follow, which you mean, like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I personally I always take the
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  Speaker 1: you know other guys in there. There'll be too tight end.
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• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: you mean? Does that answer your question? Dan? Yeah? Kind of.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking more about how you know, there are guys
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• 1:29:37
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• 1:29:41
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• 1:29:44
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think I think the example we had
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's not a great fit for this,
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  Speaker 1: so that like you know, I you can see some
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  Speaker 1: of that some of that jiggering, and especially on the
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  Speaker 1: think they have the ability to go small and fast
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: now and you know, I don't know how effective it's
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: going to be, but you know, between Ucha and mac
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  Speaker 1: Wilson and Barmore and even a quality we mentioned who's
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  Speaker 1: get after it a little bit like I just think
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  Speaker 1: they have a bunch of options. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna all come come together. I think about like
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  Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine two ten defenses where it
• 1:30:25
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• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: not maybe not eleven, but you know eight nine guys.
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  Speaker 1: It's that's how many guys you have to change out.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: So we'll see. It's just like the offense, it's about
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: finding the combination that that all starts to click. And
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: I think they've got some options, but but they haven't
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: quite started to click yet. Thank you, Dan, appreciate the call. Uh.
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• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: with alex As. I wanted to check in with you
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: about off the field right now a little, a little.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: We had some great stuff yesterday about about Bill Russell.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: I thought, I mean, a legend who had come up
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  Speaker 1: on the show a couple of weeks ago randomly, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, he's just a living legend and of
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  Speaker 1: course his uh you know, his legacy and everything he
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  Speaker 1: just you know, he's on the Hall of or the
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• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: take away yesterday from from some of the players Slater
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  Speaker 1: mccordy talking about later and mccordy spoke really extensively about
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: how Bill Russell was just the guy that they kind
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• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: then that they've kind of modeled their off the field
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: behavior after in terms of what both of them are
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  Speaker 1: doing in the community community using their platforms, and I
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: mean a guy like Bill Russell, Muhammad Ali, they kind
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• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm clearly Matthew Slater and mccordy were good students
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• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: of them just about his lasting impact really extending really
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: far beyond basketball and even the city of Boston. Yeah,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: I liked tell. I think it was Slater who said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't
• 1:32:30
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• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: thinking about that and thinking about like, like how much
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: power was in that statement, which is like, that's actually
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: a really good point. It's true. I mean, looking back
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: to when the Celtics were the first team to draft
• 1:32:45
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• 1:32:48
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• 1:32:52
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• 1:32:55
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• 1:32:59
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• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: get him down and kind of rising above it. Yeah. Well, huge,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: huge loss, plenty of attributes everywhere. Alex wrote up a
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: really nice piece yesterday of of you know, everything that
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: the guys had to say. Um, you know, it's just
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: it's Boston sports. It's uh, you know, the teams are
• 1:33:15
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• 1:33:17
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• 1:33:21
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• 1:33:23
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• 1:33:26
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• 1:33:29
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• 1:33:31
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• 1:33:33
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• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: a sad loss, and and certainly he'll his legacy will
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: we'll live on here forever. What else we got here?
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• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: not late to camp. No, there were reports that he
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: was not going to show up on time, and then
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: he did. But he was. He was it was, but
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: he was here. And wow, you can continue to make
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: stuff up. But he's been the first guy on the
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: field the first three days. No, but I know it.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: And then you can call him late if you want.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: But that's okay. But you can come without information and
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: just be a smart all right, all right, thanks Roger,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, You're right. Roger Roger bringing it. That's another
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: great moment from I still don't at how you guys
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: didn't realize that was Andy. Yeah, we were outside, there
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: was a lot of noise. Yeah, well we got another
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: special guest. I think I'm the only one that didn't
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: know another special guest, mister Fred Kirsch. Hi, thanks for
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: having me. Welcome to the show. Fred, he's checking in.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: He got some free time to weigh in. And what
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: do you think, Fred, what you've been hearing? So I
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: was listening and I it's it was a real good conversation,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: especially when you know, you guys were talking about why
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: why are they making this offensive change? You know, we've
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: established that they are making the change, there's no doubt
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: about it. Players are saying they have you know, you're
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: you're seeing it for yourselves with your own eyes. It's different.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: Why are they doing it? And I think, you know,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Evans answer could be the most simple answer because they
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: want to simplify it. And you know, maybe Bill said,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: you know, we lost four guys to Las Vegas, and
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: it's not like the offense has been great the last
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: three years, you know, um, And maybe Bill said, you
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: know what, it's time for a fresh start. You know.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: It's not like Mac is going to be losing, you know,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: that much by changing it now in his second year.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: So this is our opportunity with new offensive coaches, to
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: just start on a on a friend end. Maybe he
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: thinks this is what's best, you know, for the talent
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: that he has. But it's a I think it's a
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: valid question. Why why the change? Why the wholesale change?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think there is something to be said
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: for just doing what we do and not overthinking it
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: and just trying to line up and be out physical
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: or out athleticism, if that's even a thing, you know,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: just to lineup instead of having to be so creative
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: and clever and all the different variations and stuff. Just
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: line up and run the ball. But but when do
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: you start to push the like concern button? Like, I know,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: we're all Tara had a good point, Okay, So if
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: this is supposed to be a simpler offense, why does
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: it look so disjoint? You know, it doesn't look simple,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: you know, but it just could be just something new
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: and everyone's just trying to figure it out. But I mean,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: I think that speaks too to the point of like,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: is Mac not comfortable right now, Like is Mac not
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: sure what they're doing? Like is it simpler but it's
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: not clicking for him yet? Or you know what? What
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: is that? Like? I just I just go back to
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: the core of it has to be about Mac Jones
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: and he has to If he's not comfortable and he
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't look like he likes it, then then what are
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: we doing here? What are we doing? You know? Well,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: I mean in the practices that I saw, Like I
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: didn't see today or yesterday, so I can't speak to
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: what you guys, But the ones that I saw, it
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't just the running game that looked disjoint. And I
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: mean they weren't completing passes, you know, both he and
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: Zappy were you know, pulling the ball down and extending plays.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: You know, that wasn't how the play was supposed to go.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: So it's not just the running game that hasn't looked
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: good so far. Well, let's jump over to the phones
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: right now and go to Mark and Bolton. Mark, you're on,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: hey guy there. Originally originally going to talk to you
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: about the sort of like like some bubble players that
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: that I think are going to make it. But this
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Brady Dolphins in fraction has really sort of caught me
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: off guards. Um, it fears to me that you know,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: Brady was acting in bad face and Bob Kraft and
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: Belichick were not of the same knowledge of Brady being
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: having a landing spot with the dolphin. Yeah, and I'm
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: wondering if the NFL is going to step in and
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: provide compensation to the Patriots. I don't, I mean to
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: the Patriots could luck. I don't think that'll happen. But no, well,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: I mean I think Brady could get in trouble. I
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: think Brady could get suspended. I think Brady should get
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: suspended personally. Well, I don't see how the Patriots are.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: What was the last game of two regular season game
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen they lost to the field advantage. Well, well,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: so you know, here's here's here's the other part of this.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: And you can scoff, And I'm not going to argue
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: with you if you do. Scoff. They went to Great
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: Lens to say that they didn't find any evidence of
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: the tanking that supposedly took place for Miami, right right,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: So that's not my point though. No, No, I'm addressing
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: a side point to Fred like Tom Brady was a
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: free agent who the Patriots didn't want, so they're not
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: getting anything out of this. The Patriots didn't extend him
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: an offer. He had the whole arrangement where he couldn't
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: get franchise. He wasn't going to stay here. So like
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: that whole part of it, to me is is a
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: nothing burger. But Brady openly talking to another team, I
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: think Brady should be in trouble for that. But I
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: think I think the thing is but so your last game,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like Parcel's last game, the Super Bowl?
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: Where was his mind a hundred percent on his current team? Yeah,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's a fair question to ask. You think
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: you can ask it, But I don't think there's any
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: evidence that it wasn't. That's all. Oh, oh, you mean
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: the twenty five calls to the Jets is an evidence? No,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: I know, But I think I think Bill Parcels is
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest eagle maniaccers ever coached the football game.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: I think he'd rather have had another Super Bowl title
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: to his under his belt and anything. I don't doubt that.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: I'm saying maybe maybe his attention was somewhat divided but
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: also Bob Kraft was I mean, is it not true
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: that Bob Kraft, when Brady called him and came over
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: to his house, he was expecting Brady to come back.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, if that's what, if that was Bob Kraft's
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: frame of mind because he wasn't he wasn't privy to
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: the information that Brady could have a soft landing spot
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: in Miami, then that's so. Yeah. I don't agree with so, Mark,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: you don't think that Brady was pretty comfortable that he
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: was going to get a job, Like, let's just say,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: for documents sake, he didn't talk to anybody. Do you
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: think that changes anything for Brady's mindset entering free agency? Um? Yeah,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: I mean I do. I do? Well, Well, listen, So
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: you think that Brady would have entered free agency having
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: no idea if anybody would be interested in acquiring the
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: services of the greatest player who's ever played the sport now?
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: And I also think what regardless of that, I also
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: think that by the time he went to Robert Kraft's house,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: you know that we read about and Jeff Benedict's had
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: it was over. Yeah. I don't think that. I A
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: disagree caller where mister Kraft thought he was gonna get
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: Brady back at that meeting. I think that was a
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: good bye meeting. But but I think it's a fair
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: question of do you think that Belichick and Craft are
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: upset that Tom Brady was talking to the dogs? I
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: think that's a whole different argument. This is where I
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: think you get into tanking because was Tom Brady like saying,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: I might be in Miami next year, I don't help
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: them win? I mean, no, obviously we know that didn't happen.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: But that's where I think the tanking comes into it.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: What was Miami's real goal here? But to me, the
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: tanking and the tampering are separate things. I do I think,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: so separate things, right, Yeah, but why wasn't Miami more
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: in the mix? Then? Yeah, like why didn't Brady go
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: sign in Miami because of the Florest thing? Might have
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: blown that up, that's what they're saying. The timing of
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: the Florest thing might have kind of Brady kind of
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: cooled his heels on that whole thing. Could be. But
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: if they started talks, as this investigation alleges, in August
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, that's way before. That's it. But it never
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: came to fruition because the Florist thing through a wrench
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: in the gears. Yeah, the florist thing was happening at
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, supposedly, right. They remember they asked, so
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: they asked to talk to him and said no, right,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: and that's tampering, and that, to me is probably why
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: he ended up not going to Miami because Flores expressed
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: And remember when this first came out, the league was
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: so quick to say, none of this has merit. No,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue because it's not really that important.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: They said there's no merit to the hiring. Um there was.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: There's two separate I think the whole thing. I think
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: that the original thing that came out was about Flora's
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: alleging that the hiring practices were racist, yea, and that
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: it was merrit. And I think that's what the now listen.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: I think they're wrong about that too. Yeah, I'm not.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think these two things, but you don't
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: say that point. They I thought they had everything, it
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: just hadn't been released yet, and they were saying the
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: whole thing, but you might be right, and then it
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: all came out and then they remember immediately within twenty
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: four hours, they had a different statement that said, we're
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: going to be conducting the full investigation. Remember, but I
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: think there was more information that came out. I thought
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: they had it all started out. Your point, Freddy, they
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: may have already had all the information and we're hoping
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: that for the yellow part didn't get you know, uncovered.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: Let's face it, your boy, rog I know you guys
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: are tightened everything. Not exactly the most stuff, but you
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: know they they've suspended out there. They suspended the owner
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: until October. I don't even I don't know what that
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: but yeah, like you can't call plays anymore, Like what
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: does that mean he's not running the offense? Takes bar
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: for bringing that one up, certainly, no listen it. But
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: what is the Brady's response, Like what is the community?
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: You know, I love Brady saying you know, I love
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady saying to them like, let me just get
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: through this twenty nineteen season, then we'll figure it out. Like,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I love Tom Brady, but I'm a little
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: upset here. I am. I mean because obviously the burden
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: of the guilt is on the Tamperer, but the Tamparee
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: should have Sun. It wasn't just one call, it was several,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: and you picked up the phone every time, supposedly allegedly, right,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: and especially when we're dealing with the most miserable nine
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: and old quarterback in the league or whatever it was
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: before they played the Ravens that year, Like, you know,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: that's just what's frustrating. It's like we had to deal
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: with the whole thing back to Mike was right, Mike
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: couldn't wait to get rid of the great How do
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: you feel now? Listen, he had it, he had it first. Listen,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: you know, like the the the draw of being a
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: part owner of an NFL team. I mean, okay, I'd
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: listen to that too, still have the Jews. You should
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: wait until you're a free agent, you know. Yeah, Well,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: I'm curious what else what else comes out about it,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: because I mean, how did they I'm sure they didn't
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: just get the minami side of things right, Like, I mean,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: they must have gotten what the communications were to some extent,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: so you know process. And then also how are the
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: Saints like involved with Sean Payton retiring and like what
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: he have? Were they hired from the Saints? Had the
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: whole plan circus going in August to twenty nineteen. Apparently
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: that's when they started to put their plan into place
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: of how they were going to get Tom Brady. And
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: but that didn't have anything to do with Sean Payton
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: now not yet. It's fine Floors had just gotten hired.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: So before he ever coach the game, you your plan
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: was to have Sean pat after training camp. That tampering
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: took place this year, just covering the team in twenty nineteen.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: With Brady, though, the most the happiest he was was
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: after that Titans game. Honestly, like he was absolutely relieved
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: that that season was over. I mean every single postgame
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: press conference winner lose. The misery on his face was palpable.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: I mean you could just feel it in the room.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: I remember, in particular, they beat the Eagles in Philadelphia
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: in the offense that played terrible that one. Yeah, but
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: but I have never seen anybody that upset after I
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: get the office. Didn't play well. They you know, Brady,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: but you know you still won the game. And usually
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: the mantra around here is, well, we'll fix it, we'll
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: correct it, but at least we got the win. At
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: least we can hang our hat on that, but he
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: was not in for those types of things in twenty nineteen.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: And when he got up there at after the Titans game,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: how it was my first experience because I was lucky
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: enough to be on the beat start on twenty and
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: eighteen when they won the Super Bowl, so I'd never
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: seen them lose a playoff game from this angle, and
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be dejected. I thought it
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: was gonna be devastated. When he got up there at
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: the podium, he looked relieved. He looked like it's like
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: this is over and I can move on, you know,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: just a real almost happy and didn't satisfied with the end.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: And you wonder, you wonder how deep it goes, how
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: really when the first contact was, you know, right, like
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: it's been going on, yeah, for a while. And that's
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: why I think Brady I agree with you, friend. I
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: think Brady should at least get fined or something. It
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: has come out that there's going to be no punishment
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: against Tom Brady. ESPN's reporting that, right, Like, I don't
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: really understand that. I guess the league feels we've had
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: enough of trying to punish Tom Brady. Maybe I know
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: it is kind of all. You know, maybe he maybe
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: he was just trying to ignore the person trying to
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: constantly reach out to him and get in touch with him.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: He just you know, maybe he wasn't responding. Well, you
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: might have been letting the air out of the conversation
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: calling me on this line, don't you normal They have
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: this line, call me on the other line. Nobody, nobody
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: caught what I just said. No, I said, Brady might
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: have been trying to just let the air out of it.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: I see what you did. There's now now we can
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: make the fleet gage. Miami is the new new England.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: We got We're good now. I'll tell you what though,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, Patriots fans should be pretty fine up for
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: these Dolphins games now, Not to mention they beat in
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: you whatever it is like four the last five times
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: they played you too. It seems to have your number.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: They got Tyreek kill now. But but now this nonsense
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: comes up, so you know, I mean, Patriots confine think
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: the suspension of Stephen Ross, will you know affect their
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: early games zero points? You're right, but the loss of
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: a first and the third round picks they're not in
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: the same year. But it's that's significantly aunt in a
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: million and a half dollars. But that's a lot first
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: third round pick those. Yeah, that's a lot. I mean,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: you could say it's light, but like, to me, the
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: tanking thing is what I'm like. If if there's some
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: evidence that they tank, I'm telling you Stephen Ross needs
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: to lose the team. Oh that's that's a whole different thing.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: And and apparently they didn't find any evidence of taking. Say, uh,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: we're winding things down here, let's let's grab Bill from
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma real quick. Bill is a last call. Oh Bill,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: we're trying to get you in, and you just called him,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: but you didn't. All right, well, well you know, just
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: to go back that just I know we're running out
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: of time. But I'm the tanking. They asked him to
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: do it, Flores, and he said no. So they didn't
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: actually ever take They just asked him to tank and
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: he said no, apparently, according to Flores. So you don't
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: think that if they could prove that Stephen Ross requested
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: that his coach lose on purpose, that he should lose
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: his team because I do. Yeah. No, whether or not
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: Flora's followed through with it right to me, is irrelevant. Yeah, No,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: I can't have a guy who owns a team who's
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: forcing his employees to try to lose. I don't think
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: you can do that. The only thing I can think
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: of is they have evidence of other teams, and where
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Ross has evidence of other teams and he said, listen,
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  Speaker 1: if you take me down for this, I'm going public
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: with everything I know. I'm all the dirts coming out.
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  Speaker 1: You know, luckily Karma got them because they drafted their
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: own quarterback. So at the end of the day, what
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  Speaker 1: does it really matter? You know. I'd like to hear
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  Speaker 1: from Flores though, like when did Flores first realized, like
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: know that they were going after Brady and you know
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: how I mean, I know the next offseason he was
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: involved in that, But was he aware of it that
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: they were while he was already coaching reaching out Like,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that definitely raises some more questions.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: And the news breaks right as we're coming on here,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: so he can't really dive into it yet. Uh. One
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: last question here from Jack how much of the offensive
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: line problems are related to the fact that David Andrews
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: has been out early in camp and the substitute centers
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: may not be properly calling the blocking steam Andrews has
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: been out there plenty though yeah it's new to him too.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: It is, it is does seem to be a mic
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: point problem. Not to get too caught up in the minutia,
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  Speaker 1: but this is not like I was saying earlier that
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: Trent Brown misses the block or Isaiah Wynn misses a block.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: This is they are not configuring it correctly to make
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: sure they're getting hat on a hat, which is a
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: communication and really something that I think is more easily
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: worked out on the whiteboard or in the film room
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: maybe than maybe even out on the field. And Summer
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: respects the least. I don't know. I mean you might
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: say that, Evan, but like there's you know you mentioned earlier.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: I was listening, you know, the rhythm of it, you know,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: and and to me, you have to just do it.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: You can look at it in the whiteboard, but until
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: you're out there moving and seeing the defenses and you know,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: actually doing it, it would be hard to like, Okay,
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: I should get that guy, you know instead of I.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: You know, now I've got a guy trailing me, I
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: pass him up because the guy behind me has him,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: you know. Trust. Yeah, trust. Yeah, like all being on
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: the same page, and you mentioned that also Evans, So
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: to me, you just got it. It's repetition at this point. Reps, reps, reps.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: You talked to a lot of coaches that run this system.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: We might if this is truly the way that they're going,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: the system might not actually be good until twenty twenty three.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: You know, it could take a whole season of repping
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: this wide zone system until it really takes hold for you.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: So try to get Joe Gibbs on the phone. Yeah,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: you know he's retired, right, Yeah, but it was his offense,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: right or he was the all alexis alexis Alex Gibbs. Yeah,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: we should interview him about the you know, intricacies of
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: this type of running game. Yeah. Well, hey it's two o'clock,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: two hours. We did it, guys. We try to get
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: you caught up on training camp. So that'll do it
• 2:00:12
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• 2:00:20
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