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Episode 5: Your Child Doesn't Need College to Succeed · Parent's Talk with Francine Juhlin

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  Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to Parents Talk, where we help parents break
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  Speaker 1: the cycle of negative childhood programming. And one of those
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  Speaker 1: programs that kids tend to get sucked into is that
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  Speaker 1: you gotta go to college.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the right path.
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  Speaker 1: For some people, but for some kids, it's just not
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  Speaker 1: the right path. And we're here today to talk about alternatives.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here with Liz Lewine and did I.
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  Speaker 2: Pronounce your name right?
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  Speaker 3: You did.
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  Speaker 1: That's a common joke around here because I so often don't.
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  Speaker 3: All good but you did.
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  Speaker 1: So Liz why don't you tell everybody how you got
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  Speaker 1: to where you are today and then we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: what you do today to help Sounds great.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Francine, for having me on. I'm
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  Speaker 3: so excited that you and I met in this networking
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  Speaker 3: group and here we are today because this is such
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  Speaker 3: a big, big, big thing and very close to my
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  Speaker 3: heart and pulls at my heartstrings. So I grew up
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  Speaker 3: thinking I was the black sheep of the family, okay? Because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I was different. And what I mean by
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  Speaker 3: different is at 14, I was diagnosed with executive function
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  Speaker 3: ADHD and school was absolutely beyond challenging for me academically.
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  Speaker 3: It just was, I just, it was hard for me. I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I just learned differently and people who have
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  Speaker 3: executive function and ADHD, we just process things a whole
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  Speaker 3: lot differently. And for me, what that meant is like
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  Speaker 3: just at school was just hard. I did. I really
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  Speaker 3: was just a shell of myself in the confines of
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  Speaker 3: a classroom wall. And when I was outside of a
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  Speaker 3: classroom wall, like when I was at camp, I thrived.
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  Speaker 3: So I, you know, it was hard for me. It
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  Speaker 3: was hard, you know, back then, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: date myself, but back then it just wasn't as common
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  Speaker 3: as it is now. And so I feel like I
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  Speaker 3: wore that learning difference. They called it learning disability and
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  Speaker 3: I wore it like a scarlet letter. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I grew up in an academic family. Both my parents
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  Speaker 3: went to Ivy Leagues. My sister went to an Ivy League.
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  Speaker 3: And I just, I felt very, I just felt like
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  Speaker 3: I didn't belong. And I really, really, really wished that
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  Speaker 3: there was someone out there like me who could help
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  Speaker 3: figure out what does my future look like? Because honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I felt very bleak about my future. I felt like
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  Speaker 3: because I wasn't following the traditional path that I was
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  Speaker 3: not going to be successful. I was not going to
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  Speaker 3: be able to live independently. I was not going to
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  Speaker 3: be able to have an adult life where I was
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  Speaker 3: going to get married and make money. And I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know what I was going to do because there wasn't
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  Speaker 3: a lot of hope for people who didn't go to
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  Speaker 3: college back then. So Um, I, my parents, you know,
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  Speaker 3: although they went to Ivy leagues and my mom was
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  Speaker 3: a teacher and all that stuff, they were very forward
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  Speaker 3: thinking and they were very progressive. Thank God because they
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  Speaker 3: understood that I was just different. I learned differently and they, uh,
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  Speaker 3: went to a function like a, a huge gala and
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  Speaker 3: came across, uh, a a father and a father and
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  Speaker 3: daughter team who founded a gap year program out of Cambridge, Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 3: And the next thing I know, I knew I was
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  Speaker 3: headed to, I was going to do a gap year
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  Speaker 3: after high school graduation. And truth be told, I barely
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  Speaker 3: graduated high school. So, um, I did a gap year
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  Speaker 3: and through my gap year, I really realized that a,
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  Speaker 3: I'm so much better when I'm not at home. B,
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  Speaker 3: I learn by experience and see I'm pretty good with people.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's okay that I don't go to a
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  Speaker 3: four-year school. I will forge my way. And that gap
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  Speaker 3: year really taught me those things, but also so much more.
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  Speaker 3: And I did a ton of internships. And then I
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  Speaker 3: did actually try to go to a community college. But again,
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  Speaker 3: the school thing just came crashing down on my shoulders.
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  Speaker 3: I did another internship. I wanted to be a sportscaster originally.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very knowledgeable in sports. And I did a sports intern.
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  Speaker 3: And then I also got a job making sandwiches at
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  Speaker 3: a sandwich shop. I was living in a college town.
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  Speaker 3: And it was amazing. And I felt like I was
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  Speaker 3: finally coming into myself. And I was getting rid of
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  Speaker 3: some of the negative self-talk. And then I moved to
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  Speaker 3: San Francisco. with a boyfriend that I met, you know, at, uh,
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  Speaker 3: he went to Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, and we
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  Speaker 3: moved to San Francisco together. And I fell into recruiting
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  Speaker 3: because I kept getting him and everyone else jobs. And
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  Speaker 3: so I, um, I had a very successful 20 plus
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  Speaker 3: year job, you know, career in corporate recruiting where I
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  Speaker 3: was a recruiting consultant and talent advisor for for big
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  Speaker 3: companies like Spotify, SiriusXM, Disney, NBC, Glassdoor, eHarmony, Lucky Brand,
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  Speaker 3: Fender Musical Instruments, GoodRx, and the list goes on. And
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  Speaker 3: through my 20 plus years of hiring, interviewing, I felt
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  Speaker 3: like there was a huge gap in terms of people
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  Speaker 3: passing my interviews and not passing my interviews. And the thing,
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  Speaker 3: because here's the thing, us recruiters, we are the First
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  Speaker 3: point of contact for every single resume. So we are
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  Speaker 3: the ones that decide who is moving forward in a
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  Speaker 3: hiring process and who isn't. So a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: failing my interviews because they just weren't able to interview,
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  Speaker 3: whether they lacked confidence, clarity, direction, didn't really believe that
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  Speaker 3: they were meant to do what they're doing or they
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  Speaker 3: were in the wrong job, you know, and I feel
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  Speaker 3: like it starts young. And I started interviewing a lot
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  Speaker 3: of candidates who didn't go to college and comparing them
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  Speaker 3: with a lot of candidates who did go to go
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  Speaker 3: to college. And there was like a lot of these
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  Speaker 3: people who didn't go to college had a growth mindset,
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  Speaker 3: were coachable. They had all these values or characteristic characteristics
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  Speaker 3: and soft skills that some of these candidates who went
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  Speaker 3: to college didn't have. And also when I was at Spotify,
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  Speaker 3: I had a thousand resumes for every single job. And
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  Speaker 3: there were a lot of candidates who had the same background,
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  Speaker 3: but one candidate, there was one side of the deck
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  Speaker 3: where the candidates had internships and gap years and part-time
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  Speaker 3: jobs and jobs versus candidates who went to college and
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  Speaker 3: didn't do anything else. Like no summer job, no, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't do an internship. And we always interviewed the
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  Speaker 3: candidates that actually either didn't go to college but had
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  Speaker 3: a ton of... They did internships. They had other jobs
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  Speaker 3: or they went to college, but they had a lot
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  Speaker 3: of internships and jobs because it just shows different things.
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  Speaker 3: It shows employers that you have the it factors, what
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  Speaker 3: we like to call it. You have those intangibles.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: So that is my why. That is why I'm doing
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  Speaker 3: what I am doing.
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  Speaker 1: So if I understand this correctly, you took all of
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  Speaker 1: this knowledge from the corporate world. You're giving these kids
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  Speaker 1: a leg up in the process by telling them how
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  Speaker 1: to position themselves to be able to get those jobs. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I, yes. And so that's why I've
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  Speaker 3: launched my own coaching business where I am a career
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  Speaker 3: and life coach for teenagers and young adults, and I
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  Speaker 3: help them figure out what's next after high school. And honestly,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes even after college. Sometimes some of my clients have
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  Speaker 3: gone to college, dropped out, or gone to college and
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  Speaker 3: have no idea what it is they want to do.
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  Speaker 3: They don't know how to get a job, to interview.
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  Speaker 3: And so that is what I do because I have,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I've seen it all.
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  Speaker 1: And that's funny because even after my 22-year career in
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  Speaker 1: the military, and I was coming toward the end of
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  Speaker 1: 20 years civil service, I had worked military contractor jobs.
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  Speaker 1: So I had all of this work experience, but I
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  Speaker 1: had no idea how to interview for a civilian job.
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  Speaker 1: So I joined Toastmasters to learn how to speak civilian.
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me, what are some of the tools that
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  Speaker 1: you give these kids to help develop themselves.
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  Speaker 2: To be hireable?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. So I do a lot of, I have questionnaires.
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  Speaker 3: I created a very robust questionnaire that I go through
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  Speaker 3: with each client the minute we start working together. And
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  Speaker 3: then I have a bunch of assessments that I do.
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  Speaker 3: So I am trained. I'm also a trained coach. And
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  Speaker 3: so I do assessments. I do a values exercise. I
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  Speaker 3: do a Myers-Briggs, a strength binders. And then I have
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  Speaker 3: other assessments that I do throughout my program that helps
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  Speaker 3: guide their journey and Also, you know, we go really
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  Speaker 3: in depth during our coaching sessions. So I really kind
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  Speaker 3: of help them just talk through things, think about things
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  Speaker 3: that they would never think about. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: obviously these kids are young and I'm a lot older.
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  Speaker 3: So like I have a lot of wisdom and also
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  Speaker 3: I have a lot of lived experience. So I talk
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  Speaker 3: about all the companies that I've worked for, the types
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  Speaker 3: of roles I've hired for, and I get them thinking
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  Speaker 3: about things that will interest them and how to match that.
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  Speaker 3: But honestly, the biggest thing is, you know, I was
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  Speaker 3: known as an interview X, like whisper. And so I am,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of what I do in my
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  Speaker 3: program is we talk about how to interview. And in fact,
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  Speaker 3: I also facilitate interview prep workshops at high schools. So
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  Speaker 3: it is all about how to present yourself and how
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  Speaker 3: to storytell and how to come across as confident and
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  Speaker 3: mature and And what questions to ask? What shouldn't you do?
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  Speaker 3: The whole enchilada with all the cheese and sour cream.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: If a parent is watching today and they're thinking, I
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  Speaker 1: want to hire her, but my kid's still in high school,
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  Speaker 1: what would be the perfect time to start thinking.
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  Speaker 2: About hiring someone?
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  Speaker 3: So that's a great question. And it's actually starting in
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  Speaker 3: sophomore year. So a lot of kids right now are
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  Speaker 3: thinking about what they're going to do after senior year
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  Speaker 3: and it starts sophomore because it is so competitive. I
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  Speaker 3: was just talking to my niece who is finishing up
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  Speaker 3: her freshman year in high school and she is ready
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  Speaker 3: to figure out what she wants to do starting, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the summer heading into her sophomore year. But more importantly,
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  Speaker 3: it's even if People think, parents think sophomore year is
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  Speaker 3: too young. I get that, but you've got to start thinking,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to start thinking about what kind of environment
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  Speaker 3: is your kid going to thrive in? Because I do
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  Speaker 3: believe starting in sophomore year, you kind of know what
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  Speaker 3: kind of personality your kid is, what kind of school
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  Speaker 3: they're going to be, whether it's big, small, community college, not.
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  Speaker 3: I think you start to know during sophomore. But regardless,
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  Speaker 3: even if people think that's too early, Junior year, no
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  Speaker 3: matter what. My other niece just did a college tour.
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  Speaker 3: She's a junior right now. And it's, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: very competitive out there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't do the traditional college thing.
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  Speaker 1: I started college when I was 30 after I got
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  Speaker 1: out of the Navy. And if I hadn't been in
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  Speaker 1: the Navy, I never, ever, ever would have dreamed of
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  Speaker 1: going into electronics. So I could see where starting early
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  Speaker 1: and exploring the opportunities would be a valuable asset. Now
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  Speaker 1: I know, and I don't have any experience with the
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  Speaker 1: Ivy league, but don't they, don't kids start like freshman year,
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  Speaker 1: building their resume to put.
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  Speaker 3: They do. That's what I'm talking about. They do. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, freshman year is probably too early, but definitely
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  Speaker 3: sophomore year. I mean, I, The first niece I was
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  Speaker 3: talking about who's finishing up her freshman year, she is
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  Speaker 3: on the Ivy League track. And so we were talking
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  Speaker 3: last night, actually, what type of things she's doing. And
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  Speaker 3: she's heading into her sophomore year. She's going to Paris
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  Speaker 3: for three weeks. She's a baker and loves cooking. And
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  Speaker 3: she is going to Cordon Bleu. in Paris.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Um, but she was, but she was also telling me
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  Speaker 3: that she wants to do an internship at a hospital
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  Speaker 3: cause she, she actually wants to be, um, she wants
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  Speaker 3: to go to medical school and she's a freshman and
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  Speaker 3: she already knows this. So she, you know, she's, she's
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  Speaker 3: very smart. Um, and my other niece, her sister who
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  Speaker 3: is a junior, she is, you know, she, did the
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  Speaker 3: college tour and is exploring colleges, uh, where they have
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  Speaker 3: a good pre-med cause she also wants to be, um,
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  Speaker 3: she also wants, she wants to be a pediatrician. So
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  Speaker 3: there you go. But, um, the one thing I told
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  Speaker 3: both of them and, and definitely my niece who's a freshman, she,
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  Speaker 3: you internships honestly are the biggest thing. If I could,
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  Speaker 3: if I could go to Mount Everest and just get
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  Speaker 3: flown there and yell it off the mountain, I would
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  Speaker 3: scream how important internships are because it shows so many things.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, for someone who has no idea what
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  Speaker 3: they want to do, or even if they want, if
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  Speaker 3: they think they know what they want to do, when
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  Speaker 3: you do an internship, it really gives you that real
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  Speaker 3: world experience. And sometimes that internship is like proves to
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  Speaker 3: the person, oh, wait, I don't think I want this.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't realize that I would have to do X, Y,
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  Speaker 3: and Z. Hmm. Now I got to think of my
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  Speaker 3: other options, you know? So it's, it teaches you what
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  Speaker 3: you might like, what you don't like, what you want
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  Speaker 3: to do, what you're good at, what your strengths are.
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  Speaker 3: If this is something that follows, that's aligned with your passions.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, all of these things are so important that
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  Speaker 3: internships tell us and teach us. And also it gives
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  Speaker 3: you that real world experience. You have to show up
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  Speaker 3: on time. You're, you're held accountable, work ethic, uh, All
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  Speaker 3: those things are the most crucial. And I could tell
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  Speaker 3: you right now, colleges look at that. And if you
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  Speaker 3: don't go to college, companies or trades want to see
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  Speaker 3: that you're already ahead of the game and that you're
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  Speaker 3: taking your life after high school seriously. And that is
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  Speaker 3: what internships and part-time jobs and apprenticeships, that teaches you
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  Speaker 3: all of that. It shows people that you are really
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  Speaker 3: taking your life seriously.
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  Speaker 1: And on that flip side, I heard about a kid
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  Speaker 1: who thought they wanted to be a doctor. They were
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  Speaker 1: on that doctor track all the way up to junior
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  Speaker 1: year when they did an internship and fainted from the
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  Speaker 1: sight of blood.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear it all the time. There's so many
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  Speaker 3: people that are like, oh, I want to be in entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: I want to be entertainment. I want to be a producer.
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  Speaker 3: And then they get like, Right. And then they get
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  Speaker 3: like a very, you know, an internship or a very
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  Speaker 3: low paying job. And they're like, oh, wow, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if that's a lot of work or I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to have to start at the very, very bottom, you know,
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  Speaker 3: whatever it may be. And they're like, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: I want this. And then it's like, OK, now what? So, right.
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  Speaker 3: And so I always so with all my clients, I'm
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  Speaker 3: always encouraging them to pick three to five careers that
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  Speaker 3: would interest them. And then really start to dig in,
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  Speaker 3: do research. In my program, I have a whole informational
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  Speaker 3: interviewing portion. And so everyone reaches out to people and
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  Speaker 3: you gotta start with a LinkedIn profile. It's never too young.
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  Speaker 3: Like honestly, probably starting senior year, maybe definitely freshman year
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  Speaker 3: in college, do it.
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  Speaker 1: And okay, so- What does that do for the young
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  Speaker 1: person who's not ready to go into corporate? A lot.
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  Speaker 1: And I even had this, this mentality that LinkedIn is
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  Speaker 1: for corporate people.
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  Speaker 2: What I was told when I was.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So now explain LinkedIn. Explain LinkedIn for those of us
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  Speaker 2: who think that.
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  Speaker 3: Sure. Oh my. And great question. And honestly, Francine, you're right.
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  Speaker 3: I was told the exact same thing, but no, LinkedIn
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  Speaker 3: is a, Oh my God. I don't even, okay. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: it's like for, I don't know. It's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a bad analogy. I was going to say the yellow
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  Speaker 3: pages for us, but like it is, LinkedIn is like
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  Speaker 3: the biggest platform out there that is professional. It is
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  Speaker 3: like Yelp for professional, for, for the professional world. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna say corporate because it's not all corporate. Um,
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  Speaker 3: I've worked at a nonprofit and I use LinkedIn, um,
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  Speaker 3: A lot of tradespeople are on LinkedIn, construction companies, you know,
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  Speaker 3: companies that deal with welding. I mean, it's for professionals.
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  Speaker 3: And so you create a LinkedIn profile. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: going to go all into a LinkedIn profile. That's if
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  Speaker 3: someone wants to work with me. But you create a
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  Speaker 3: LinkedIn profile and you show up as a professional. And
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  Speaker 3: that is how you kind of build your brand as
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  Speaker 3: a professional.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
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  Speaker 1: Not only entrepreneurs build brands. I love this concept because
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  Speaker 1: I help entrepreneurs build their brand, figuring out what their
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  Speaker 1: target message is, who they're speaking to. So I'm collecting
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  Speaker 1: that someone getting ready for the job market needs to
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  Speaker 1: do the same thing because if they want to be
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  Speaker 1: in HR, they aren't going to be talking to people
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  Speaker 1: hiring nurses, but they might be talking to the HR
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  Speaker 1: representatives who hire the nurses.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Almost everyone in this day and age, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: saying almost, is on LinkedIn. Whether it's an athlete, professional athlete,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's a college grad. And honestly, as a college grad,
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  Speaker 3: I'm seeing, I mean, I do a lot of early
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  Speaker 3: career hiring and coaching. And so a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: are on LinkedIn, even if you don't go to college
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  Speaker 3: after high school. You know, there's a way that you
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  Speaker 3: can build your LinkedIn profile online. that shows that you're
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  Speaker 3: early in your career. And it's just, it's a fabulous,
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  Speaker 3: and honestly, LinkedIn is all about networking and connecting with
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  Speaker 3: people on LinkedIn. And that's how you do informational interviews.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how you see if you can do an internship.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, almost all companies are on LinkedIn now.
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  Speaker 1: And when we say build a brand, all that means
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  Speaker 1: is how people recognize you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And that means don't show a picture of you in
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  Speaker 1: your sweat clothes after a workout. Exactly. Don't post pictures
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  Speaker 1: of you in the bar drinking. Yes, exactly. Be in
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  Speaker 1: a professional setting and be who you want to be
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  Speaker 1: in the future.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: When I was trying to go from trades, because, you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I was a grease monkey, I was a mechanic. When
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I was trying to go from the trades to supervision
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  Speaker 1: or management, everyone told me, dress for the job you want,
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  Speaker 1: not the one you have.
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  Speaker 3: That is the, I've obviously, I've heard that a thousand times.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, I cannot tell you how true that is.
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  Speaker 3: Dress for the job you want. And also, so again,
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  Speaker 3: my program talks all about how to be a professional.
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  Speaker 1: And when you say how to be a professional, you
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  Speaker 1: mean even if the child wants to be a professional plumber?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. It does not matter. It does not matter. Because
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  Speaker 3: whether you're a plumber, whether you're an esthetician, a makeup artist,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: a product manager at Spotify... you have to, it's, you're
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: still a professional. You're still doing an adult job. You're showing,
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  Speaker 3: you're dealing with people. You're, you know, it's all the
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: soft skills. Like you still have to be professional. Even
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: as a plumber, you can't just show up at someone's
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  Speaker 3: house or company and have pants that are down to
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: your ankles. Like, you know, where your underwear, you're showing
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: your underwear. Like it doesn't matter. You still have to
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: be a professional. You still have to shake hands. You
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: still have to talk to, the homeowner or the company
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  Speaker 3: and explain what's going on and what's needed. And I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there's so many things. So it doesn't matter what you do,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's trades or a corporate job or grad school,
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  Speaker 3: whatever it may be, you have to be a professional.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I tell all young people to join
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  Speaker 1: Toastmasters because you do learn those communication skills, which are important.
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  Speaker 2: No matter what.
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  Speaker 3: What? No matter what.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Now, if a child has absolutely no clue what
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: they want to do with the rest of their life
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and the parents push them into your.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Care, how do you talk to the kid now? That's
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: coming to you.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: My parents made me come to talk to you. How
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: would you start that conversation?
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  Speaker 3: I would say, oh my gosh, I'm so glad they
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: did because you're going to figure out what it is
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  Speaker 3: you want to do after high school or college with me.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Isn't that the best news possible? And so, yes, I
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: do that. I have icebreakers. Look, I have.
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  Speaker 3: I have worked with so many different types of people.
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  Speaker 3: I've worked with young adults. I've worked with teens. I
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: was a camp counselor. I babysat. I mean, I know
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: how to talk to teens and I know how to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: help them get excited about something. It's just, you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: it's being relatable, which I've been told I am and
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I feel like I am. I'm not one to toot
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  Speaker 3: my own horn, but I'm very, I'm very, but I
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: am very, very, very relatable. I have even myself, I
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: have so many interests and passions and things I've done.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I can talk sports. I can talk non-sports. I can
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: talk entertainment, movies, video games, whatever it may be. So,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: you know, I, it's all about me. I do a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: good job building relationships with the family, but more importantly
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: with the teen slash young adult. Okay.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Here's the other end of the spectrum.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: My kid is in middle school and I want to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: make sure they have that leg up before they even
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: get high school. Could you work with someone like that?
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. Cause there are, I mean, honestly, people have
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: started to ask me about that, like doing like little
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: workshops because it's, you got to start honing in your
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: kind of like your skills and strengths early on. And
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: also it's so, I believe in passions, but do I
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: believe in you have to, you have to do something
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you're passionate about? Yes and no, if that makes any sense.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's important to have passions, but a lot
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: of people are like, a lot of people want to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: be like an, like a major league baseball player or
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: a football player, and they might not be good enough,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: you know, but they're super passionate about it. So I
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: always say instead, focus on your strengths. Like why, like
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: you're so passionate about that. So you, you must have
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: some strengths that are, in relation to being like a
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: major league baseball player. So what does that mean? Are
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: you eye and hand coordination? Are you good at that?
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Are you good at, are you really good with athletics?
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: So let's figure out what are some things you can do,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: you know, athletically or sports, how to hone those skills.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: And that does start very young. All that stuff starts young.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Whether you want to be an actress, you want to
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: be whatever, influencer.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm hearing here?
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  Speaker 1: You need to come on the Confidence Club for Kids
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel with me, and we need to do a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: special segment for the middle schoolers, getting them ready to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: go to high school, getting them excited about high school,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: getting them confident.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Okay.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: We are going to do that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So parents, be on the lookout for, The Confidence Club
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: for Kids will have a segment for the kids in
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: middle school to get them excited about what comes next.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's so many things. Oh, there's so many things.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: There's so many things.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: So, parents, you're just going to have to wait because
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: we just thought of this right now.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I know. That's the beauty about all this, about good conversations.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: If you are watching this, and maybe it's not even
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: up on the Confidence Club for Kids yet because this
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: might lead the next segment for the kids, tell us
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: what your child is passionate about so we can talk
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: directly to your child. Yes.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yes!
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  Speaker 1: If the episode is already out and your child is
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: passionate about something, let us know and.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do a second segment.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we will. Amazing.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So tell us, how can parents get in touch with you?
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: How can they get in your world?
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: How do they find you? Yes. Please, please email me.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I would love to have a free consultation with you
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: to see how I can help support you and your
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: family because... Honestly, it's more expensive for your kid to
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: be struggling and staying at home than it is to
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: be launched and starting to live an adult life and
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: an independent life. So please email me at coachliz at lizlawine.com.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And that's L-E-W-I-N as in Nancy E.com.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect. I am so happy we got to talk today.
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  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, because this is so important for families. If you
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: have any questions for Liz, please drop them in the comments,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: contact one of us, and we will do another episode.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: We will do a.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Segment on the Confidence Club for Kids YouTube channel for children. Yes.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And We will make sure that your kid does not
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: fail to launch.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: If anyone has seen that movie, Failure to Launch, you
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: know what we're talking about. And if you haven't, go
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: check out. the trailer. Right.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Break that negative childhood programming.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Not every kid belongs in college.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: You just got to have a plan.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: That's it. Find what they want. Find what they're happy doing.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Find what their talents match and you will have a
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: happy child.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Yes. And then you'll be happier.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And with that, thank you for joining us on Parents Talk.
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  Speaker 2: Watch out for the next episode.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Bye. Bye.