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MATT GARSTKA: Bicep Injuries, AI in Music, and Animals As Leaders with the G.O.A.T · The Downbeat

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  Hey guys, welcome back to the Downbeat podcast.
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  My guest this week is Matt Gasca, drummer, educator,
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  amateur arm wrestler that went horribly wrong.
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  He is, in my opinion, one of the best drummers in the world.
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  If you've seen my YouTube channel, I did a drum lesson
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  with him, I got some problems. I called in the doc and it was
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  eye opening to say the least. That video is up on YouTube but
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  we also had a little chat. We had a chat about his arm
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  wrestling career which ended in a bicep tear which took him out
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  of playing the drums. We go deep on AI in music, his
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  drum parts, just I'm just picking his brain.
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  He's the only guest that's been on four times.
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  So you know, we have a good chat.
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  We've got a rapport by now. Lovely, lovely lad, unbelievable
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  Yes, Sir. Welcome back to The Downbeat.
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  Thank you, Craig. Thank you for having me again.
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  Do you know you're very welcome. Do you know hang on beach, beach
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  unleashed. The beach is unleashed.
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  Did you know you are now with this episode the most the my
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  brain is not even working. You are I was going to send the
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  most appearances. You are the most appearances.
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  Wow, is this 4? This is #4 We had one on audio.
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  First time we ever met. Yeah.
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  And then we had three, Two videos, one in your kitchen.
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  Remember that. Oh yeah, one in your Airbnb in.
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  Nashville, Yeah. And now look at us.
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  Here we are. You've got now you're in the big
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  rig. You know, we're next door
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  neighbors. We fucking are.
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  We've only hung out once and it was for a drum lesson, but you
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  fucked yourself up so that was kind of on you.
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  We need to do a workout. I need to see what you're what
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  you're doing bro. I'm slowly recovering.
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  I was going to say, you're the one I moved, and I feel like
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  immediately you were on tour when I moved with Tigran, I
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  think. And then I was like, sick.
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  Matt's going to be back soon. We're going to go to the gym.
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  We're going to fucking hang out. And then you're like, oh, I've
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  torn my bicep. Yeah, yeah, you.
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  Want you want to run me through that well.
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  You know, I don't know, I'd, I'd been training for like a year or
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  a year and a half doing those movements and everything.
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  I'd gotten really into it and like I'm.
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  Kind of what? What movement?
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  Arm, arm wrestling like that. Like there's there's back
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  pressure, there's pronation, there's supination and hand
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  control and all this stuff is, is largely forearm based.
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  And so I'm like, this is great for drums to and grip strength
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  is huge for humans longevity. So I'm like, you know, and I
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  don't know, I like extreme shit. So yeah.
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  So I was like, I'm going to be smart and make sure I don't get
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  injured, you know, you know, do do a bunch of training way ahead
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  of time, be slow with all the motions and movements.
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  And yeah, I don't know, it's, it's different when you're
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  pulling people, though. That's.
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  How do you train? How do you train for that?
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  Like there's so you said you'd be doing training.
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  Yeah. So there's like you can like put
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  belts to weights and like put them around your thumb.
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  Like there's different ways to wrap the strap basically around
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  your hand to. Simulate.
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  Simulate different leverage points.
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  Yeah. And then there's also, you know,
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  I got a table and like I put like a pulley system on it.
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  And so I'm pulling on a table. Rare by you let me calculate the
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  most accurate ways I can train for this.
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  You were probably gonna be 1 of the greats bro.
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  No. I don't know.
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  I've never seen you do it, but I know your commitment to these
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  kind of things. It's a long forearms help like
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  big hands. I have small hands, short
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  forearms. I think I've seen the guy that's
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  like the number one in the world, like the size of his.
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  Or. Yeah, I don't know who it is,
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  but he's got like, his hands are like fucking dinner plates.
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  Yeah. Awesome.
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  OK, So what happened? You, you you progressed into.
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  Yeah, and so I battling, yeah, I pulled a few people and they're
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  like yeah, we take it easy and don't go crazy.
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  And I was like, I like these guys, you know, and then.
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  Is that the lingo pulled? Yeah, pull, pulling.
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  You want to go for a pull? Is that what you're just pulling
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  each other? Sounds insane.
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  Yeah. Did you pull yesterday or?
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  No, I pulled last week, so I'm. I'm good to go.
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  Oh. OK.
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  Yeah, that sounds like. A little.
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  Seaman. Yeah, Anyway, kind.
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  Of so yeah, I just really enjoyed holding dudes hands, you
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  know what I'm saying? Looking looking at him in the
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  eye. Do you look in the eye when you
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  do it? No, that's that's kind of I.
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  Think it's forbidden? Is it?
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  No, I don't know, I'm just making shit up.
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  It should be though. OK, so you start pulling these
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  guys. Yeah.
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  And then like, I got invited to this this guy's garage and
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  that's, I got invited to his house, you know, and we go in,
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  it's like, and it's like, you know, sweaty.
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  You know, oh, it's like on the ground.
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  Yeah, like Fight Club. Club strictly for arms Arm Club.
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  Yeah, Arm Fight Club. Arm Fight Club, yeah.
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  And yeah, I pulled like 3 or 4 dudes in a row and it was like
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  some of these dudes were like I'm.
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  Such a child, I'm so sorry. Sorry, I understand how that
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  sounds by the 5th dude. I was running a train on this
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  fucking guy anyway, sorry, I'm really sorry.
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  I mean, this guy was way stronger than me and he was, he
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  was just going hard. He was kind of slamming and
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  yeah, like I'd I'd gotten fully extended and like went to go
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  pull out a little bit more. Fuck me, you know, making it
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  easy. Yeah, create some more leverage,
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  you know, and like when your. Arms are about to lose at this
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  point. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So like, yeah, like when your arm is fully extended, that's
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  when your bicep is most at risk. That's why people pull it when
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  they deadlift. Yeah.
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  Or or yeah with the open and or more so for preacher curls like.
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  Fully extended people go too. Heavy and they get to the bottom
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  and they can pop both seeing that happen yeah so basically
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  see like it's it it was like and I was like uh oh and like he's
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  like oh because he hurt it too and like there's a elder dude
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  standing there and I'm like oh shit he's like yeah dude I think
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  he tore your bicep and I'm like. Did it hurt?
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  Well, BP sit No, didn't hurt at all.
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  Didn't hurt. Just felt like ow.
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  Yeah, a little, little something.
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  Damn. But like I was like, dude, would
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  BPC help this? And he's like, no dude, your
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  bicep tendon, he's like let me feel it.
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  And I had no hook. You do a hook test like you.
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  Can feel like the little bit, yeah.
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  And. He's like.
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  You got nothing. He's like, it needs to be
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  surgically. Reattached, this is the Elder
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  telling you this? Yeah, this is fucking it.
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  Sounds so mythical. He's like, yeah, I'm like, Are
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  you sure? Like it's, I couldn't just take
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  like a lot of BPCS, like it's got to be surgically reattached.
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  For the record, BPC 157 the peptide.
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  Correct. Or some shit.
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  Very good. Took it when I broke my back.
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  My back wasn't healing and I fucking BPC 157 TB 500.
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  Yep, whatever The Wolverine stack was.
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  Theta. Within.
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  So yeah, something within six weeks.
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  Obviously we're not fucking doctors.
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  Do your own research. But my back wasn't healing or
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  it's just still hurting and stuff.
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  And then I started taking that and within six weeks I was like,
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  oh, I'm back. Yeah, I'm back.
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  It's huge in anti-inflammatory as well.
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  What? What?
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  How long were you injured before you were?
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  Like, I need to do something more than just try to heal
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  naturally. So it happened in August, I want
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  to say 2021? No, 2020.
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  When did touring come back? End of 2021?
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  Yeah. So it happened in August 2021.
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  And then I did a tour and recorded an album in December
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  2021. With a messed up back.
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  My back was literally still broken and that tour and I was
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  playing so badly on that tour because of the pain, because of
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  like some weird nerve shit or whatever.
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  I don't know, the scans and stuff.
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  They were like, this is a compression fracture.
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  It's like not when you say, oh, I broken my back and was like,
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  Oh my God, like you're going to be paralysed.
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  It was a compression fracture. So like they are stable
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  fracture. Yeah, like it.
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  It breaks like this instead of like that so.
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  It's better. It's stabilized by your own
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  weight, so it's just going to fucking heal if you don't do
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  anything dumb. But obviously trying to play the
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  fucking drums and be on tour and be in a van and stuff, it just
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  wasn't getting any better. UK healthcare system completely
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  fucking forgot about me. They were like, yeah, you'll
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  have a physio appointment in six months.
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  What? Yeah #1 I spoke to my friend, it
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  was a physio at Liverpool Football Club at the time and he
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  was like, bro, I switched him like 3 days after it happened.
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  He was like, you need to be doing physio today or else
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  you're going to be crippled. And then even when that six
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  month waiting list turned rolled around, they it didn't come.
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  I'd never got the appointment. I was like, OK, I'll pay for my
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  own physio from day one. And then when the NHS thing
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  happens, I'll switch that and pick it up there.
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  It just never came. And I phoned them about and they
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  were like, Oh yeah, you never got put on the list.
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  And I was like, OK, well can I get my scans to then give to my
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  new physio? And we're like, yeah, we don't
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  have your scans. I said, which we need out of my
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  scans, but like, yeah, we don't have them.
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  I don't know. They're just not on the system.
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  I was like, OK, I'm fucking done.
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  So by December, that tour went badly.
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  Tracking the album was incredibly fucking painful, and
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  I was like, I need to do something.
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  Got on the old fucking Googleizer and then it was like
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  inject this, fucking inject this.
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  Pentadecca peptide it. Why don't you try injecting a
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  like fucking research chemical and it might fix it and it's.
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  Derived from rats gastric juices.
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  Is that what it is? Is that?
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  What it is, Well, I mean, that's where they found it was a
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  Japanese guy I think that found it there.
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  Classic Tama. Yamaha too I think.
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  Yamaha. I took the Yamaha.
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  No, I took the Tamil. And obviously, because I'm
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  endorsed, yeah, Tamil does not make research chemicals.
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  Neither does Yamaha. Probably fucking do.
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  Maybe. You want a speed boat?
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  You want a piano? Do you want some research
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  chemicals? Anyway, yeah, in that point I
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  was like, OK, I need to fucking do something about it.
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  Started taking it in six weeks later because I'd like a like a
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  just a pain that would just always be that.
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  And I was like this can't be good and want to start taking
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  that. Yeah.
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  And so you just did a six week cycle and.
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  Then I did 12 in the end or something, whatever it was, and
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  then I never took it again. Desperate for a reason to.
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  Now though, no, not really. I don't want to fucking injure.
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  Give you the name number arm wrestling clubs.
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  So OK, so it happens and then like how long did you have till
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  surgery? They were like, dude, as like as
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  fast as possible get, get the surgery like if you can this
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  week. So I was like, all right, bet.
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  And so I basically went to the ER for, you know, I didn't need
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  to because they're like, Oh yeah, it's messed up.
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  There's no there's the tendon snapped off the bone and you're
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  going to need a surgery. Like I knew that the old guy
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  told me. Yes, exactly.
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  And so I got an orthopaedic, picked one out, called them, got
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  that. They were pretty quick too.
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  It was like by the end of the week, it was five days later I
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  had the surgery. So that was end of July, I
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  think. How much?
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  Or beginning of July. Maybe how much of course it was.
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  Quick all, I don't have health insurance.
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  Yeah, you're a musician. Yeah.
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  Do I? And, you know, I'm like that I'm
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  saving so much money not having health insurance.
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  Yeah. And I have over the last 10
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  years because I, I take very good care of myself.
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  I do pre emptive stuff basically.
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  But yeah, All in all it was about 7 K for like MRI and you
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  know. And the surgery?
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  And the surgery, everything but it, it probably would have been
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  three times as much like if I didn't have help.
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  Well, for the actual, because they do this thing where they're
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  like, you know, Oh yeah, it's, it's, you know, this much like
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  the cash price is different. The cash price is like more like
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  the actual price. If you had insurance it would
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  have been like OK this is going to cost 30K, your insurance is
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  going to cover this much of it. Yeah, and you have to pay 5 or
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  7K or whatever it is, you know. Someone else told me this when I
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  was looking at getting into health to get in healthcare over
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  here. Someone was like, it's kind of a
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  scam. Loki.
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  I don't want to. I don't know, I.
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  Don't want to. Me not me neither.
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  Me neither. But you say neither or neither.
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  Neither. Am I there?
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  We neither. There we go.
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  Yeah. Neither.
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  Excellent. Is that what the guy in the
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  corner sounded like? Ye.
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  Has broken. Vine.
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  Distal bicep tendon, Is that what it was?
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  The distal. Yep.
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  I researched that before. That's.
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  The yeah, that's the one down here.
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  There's there's. 20 so it's. Fucking right there.
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  That's the one that yeah, yeah, it's the radio Burn does that
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  shit. OK, so 7 grand in my head I was
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  like motherfuckers gonna have to pay like 40 grand.
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  That's like a year and a half worth of health insurance and.
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  You know, over the last 10 years, balance that out, you're
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  still saving money. Touch wood, nothing else
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  happens. And then so no drums for how
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  long? Six weeks.
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  Well, I did feet and like some other stuff and like some high
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  hat stuff. But yeah, it was kind of tough
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  to. I just, I was mostly focused on
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  that, that GGD plug in that just came out by the way.
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  Yeah. Yeah, me too.
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  You want to You want to arm wrestle for it?
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  You can buy one depending on who wins.
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  Wait, it was your left? Yeah, you arm wrestle with your
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  left. Wrestle with both, yeah.
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  Really. Is it like?
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  Real men do both. Craig.
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  But so are you up against a a lefty or are you 2 righties
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  going lefty? Were you were you fighting goofy
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  or what? No, it's most people are right
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  hand dominant. It's rare guys left hand
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  dominant, but sometimes. It is a feminine trait, but.
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  Fuck. Fuck me at this point.
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  The the left is sometimes stronger though weirdly or or in
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  certain ways the left is strong like my left would.
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  They were saying like those guys were saying, like, oh, your left
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  is actually stronger. Slapped me in my feet.
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  You know this. My my life's better.
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  I was like at my peak strength, I could, I could do like 65 lbs,
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  you know, preach curl, not all the way down, but like, you
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  know, curling and like I'd, I'd taken like 5-6 day hiatus.
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  And so when I came back, I was like super fucking strong.
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  I was like, wow, I'm really strong right now.
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  And I think that's kind of part of like what had happened is, is
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  like my, my muscle and everything, we're able to pull
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  so hard on it. And this guy pulled so hard that
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  it snapped. So it was the IT was the tendon
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  that broke or yeah, yeah, because your muscle was too
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  fucking strong for the tendon and plus him.
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  That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, well, I mean, no, that's
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  that's a thing is someone people get fucking trend out their mind
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  and they're like, I can lift everything in the gym and then
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  everything just goes and explodes.
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  Yeah, because the tendons aren't getting.
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  Right. The tendons are slow to adapt,
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  so you kind of need to be it, but they do adapt, bro.
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  It's like it's wolf's law, which is the whatever you expose your
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  your tendons in your bone and muscle to, it's going to adapt.
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  Like your bones will get more dense in those places that it
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  that stress is being put on it. I.
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  Did that when I went to, when I went to finally I got a
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  different physio after the whole back thing and it was the first
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  person to give me some good news.
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  And he'd like did the scans and everything and he was like,
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  well, the good, like everything's fine now.
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  You're back absolutely fine. And the good news is actually
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  your back is now stronger than someone that who didn't do this.
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  And I was like, oh, that's it. He's like, as long as you keep
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  on top of like, you know, you weight train all the time,
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  you'll be fucking fine at me. Stronger.
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  The next time I'll survive. I mean, I survived anyway.
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  Next time I'll go twice as I know I fucking won't.
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  OK, so when this happened, then you take six weeks off drumming
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  or hand. Yeah, left hand.
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  Yeah. And then slowly get back
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  basically. Are you back now?
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  When did this happen? Yeah, yeah, it was five months
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  ago now. It's not that long.
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  No, no, I'm like 8590% there. Mobility is like the last thing
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  that I'm like focus well. On the kit, on the kit or at the
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  gym? Oh, gym is far away from that.
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  Yeah, really. Yeah, yeah, I'm only benching
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  like 65 LB dumbbells right now. Or like like curling 20 lbs.
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  I think I'm just getting the 25 where I don't feel like that
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  weird attachment to the bone. I think I very nearly ruptured
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  the tendon in my bicep once on tour and I didn't and nothing
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  pinged or anything, but it hurt for like 6 months afterwards and
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  I had to go lighter and everything.
• 19:26
  It was like maybe like 3 months afterwards we went to one of
• 19:30
  those like, you know, Ninja Warrior.
• 19:32
  Yeah, we went to like one of those, but if it's like a
• 19:35
  swimming pool that had Ninja Warrior shit in it and we were
• 19:37
  like, let's go do this on tour. And there was one part of it
• 19:40
  where the only way you could get up to the next bit is to
• 19:42
  basically do a single handed pull up to get over to the next
• 19:45
  bit. And I did it and I just felt
• 19:48
  something go. I was like, Oh no, fuck.
• 19:51
  But definitely it wasn't as bad as you, but I remember how much
• 19:54
  that fucking hurt. Everything in the gym after that
• 19:57
  was painful, so I can't imagine what it's like to actually tear
• 20:00
  it. What?
• 20:01
  What weights did you go down to? I can't remember this before I
• 20:05
  actually cared. I was just going for the sake of
• 20:07
  going. I can't remember but I remember
• 20:09
  you a bit. Last time we trained to go,
• 20:11
  which is a while ago. You were you had those hundreds
• 20:13
  for fucking on incline. I've gotten pretty high.
• 20:16
  I'll be back there in a few months.
• 20:18
  So you have you like had to decrease the amount of training?
• 20:22
  Yeah, I just kind of did that. I I took the, I took it on the
• 20:25
  chain. I'm like, OK, I'm going to
• 20:27
  deload everything, focus on other things in life in general,
• 20:31
  get everything else together and, you know, deload and be
• 20:36
  become weaker and, and, and get a little leaner.
• 20:40
  I leaned out and you did lean and did more yoga and tried to
• 20:45
  recover some mobility that you lose from going to the gym all
• 20:48
  the time. So yeah, that's kind of still my
• 20:53
  thing. Like I'm I'm hitting the gym
• 20:55
  twice a week and yoga once a week.
• 20:58
  Like a yoga hot yoga class and then yoga every day, every
• 21:03
  morning. And I do like little PT stuff
• 21:05
  every day. Gym twice a week, that's it.
• 21:08
  That's it. Are you going to and?
• 21:09
  It's like full body. Carry on with that.
• 21:11
  Or are you? For a bit.
• 21:12
  Because you used to be a used to be a five day I didn't you?
• 21:15
  Yes, yeah. But it's also, you know, part of
• 21:18
  this too is like, I've realized, like drums are #1 and, you know,
• 21:24
  are you? Getting carried away with gym.
• 21:25
  Yeah, it's just like you become more consistent with gym than
• 21:30
  drums sometimes. And I heard like you have that
• 21:32
  choice I. Feel like I did that last year.
• 21:35
  Admittedly I had a lot of life shit to figure out moving here,
• 21:38
  this, fucking the drum room, all that stuff.
• 21:41
  But if I had two hours in a day around sorting other stuff out,
• 21:49
  I was picking gym over drums. And this year I'm kind of taking
• 21:53
  stock and I'm worse at the drums than I have been in fucking
• 21:57
  years. So I'm like taking soccer, Mark.
• 22:00
  No, I can't let this bit slip. This is like my whole thing.
• 22:03
  I love going to the gym. I love the dopamine release from
• 22:05
  it. But it's like, if I don't like,
• 22:07
  I love him to fucking death. I love the man to death.
• 22:11
  But it's not sitting right with you, I.
• 22:12
  Love the man to the death, but we can't become lost.
• 22:20
  I, I, I love him, love him to death, but I can't, you know, I
• 22:23
  need to, I need to be fucking practicing.
• 22:26
  So this year I'm back on the practice train.
• 22:29
  Yeah, that's sick. Thanks to you.
• 22:31
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 22:32
  Put that video up today. So most people that watching
• 22:34
  this have hopefully seen that video.
• 22:36
  The drum lesson? Do you know it's got more views
• 22:38
  in four hours than any other episode of the podcast for the
• 22:44
  last two years? Really.
• 22:46
  People weren't fucking stoked. Sick.
• 22:49
  You being a guru and me being shit at the drums, we should do
• 22:54
  that more. Too humble.
• 22:55
  We should do that more often. Yeah, people.
• 22:57
  Are stoked and you know how many people hit me up?
• 22:58
  Random people. I'm stoked for you, dude.
• 23:02
  Like because like there's nothing like having like, okay,
• 23:05
  I'm getting my shit together this year and like kind of
• 23:07
  putting that or you know, sometimes it's month or
• 23:10
  whatever, but yeah, putting that out there and being like, all
• 23:13
  right. You gotta wanna do it.
• 23:15
  And now I I know what you're like.
• 23:18
  You're telling me you're stoking me because you can see that I'm
• 23:21
  not okay. I'm doing this.
• 23:23
  It's not like, oh. Maybe I'll do this.
• 23:24
  And but no, it's like I've decided this is fucking
• 23:26
  happening. Yeah, so many pro, you said.
• 23:29
  That it has to happen. You're like, this is something's
• 23:33
  got to change. I mean, I'm very fortunate that
• 23:35
  you live down the fucking Rd. because I was sat there and I
• 23:37
  was like, oh OK, this year the foot, we need to address the
• 23:41
  foot. What the fuck can I do?
• 23:43
  And I was like, fucking man. Can't remember what it was.
• 23:46
  I mean, I think something popped up.
• 23:47
  I was like, fuck, I forgot. He lives 2 seconds away.
• 23:50
  Down the street. Down the fucking St.
• 23:53
  And you know how many pro dramas I've had hit me up today like #1
• 23:58
  saying how much did not charge you because they want to get in
• 24:00
  on the game. And then #2 just being like that
• 24:03
  was really fucking helpful. Because like off the top of my
• 24:07
  head, Ralph, the place for Poppy and Dan the place for
• 24:10
  Architects, both of them hit me up today and just like, yeah,
• 24:13
  I've got this, this same ship my feet.
• 24:16
  And they're like, this is super fucking helpful.
• 24:19
  And it's funny how many pros we've, me and Dan, we're talking
• 24:22
  about it extensively today. I think some people because I
• 24:27
  never got taught for technique ever.
• 24:30
  And I think some people who don't get in any form of
• 24:33
  technique, some people just they sit on the kit when they're
• 24:36
  learning and they happen upon the best way to do something.
• 24:43
  And some people just don't. And I think.
• 24:45
  They're they're the church cats. They, they've, they got feet,
• 24:49
  bro. And they do, they do the slide
• 24:51
  technique like just it just comes to them.
• 24:54
  It just happens. From is that him or?
• 24:57
  Maybe, bro, you got to convert. You got to get rid of these
• 25:00
  freaking pentagrams bro. But yeah, some, I think some
• 25:06
  people, some people just it's the same way that I feel like
• 25:10
  everyone after playing the drums for a certain amount of time
• 25:13
  will naturally come up with some form of molar in there like hi
• 25:17
  hat playing, you know, like they want to play fast your body at
• 25:20
  some point. It is natural, That's right.
• 25:23
  It is it's a naturally occurring thing, but there is there are
• 25:26
  there are techniques that we've kind of honed and I don't know,
• 25:34
  gotten very specific on like, OK, this is how French grip
• 25:38
  works. This is how you know German grip
• 25:41
  works. This is how American grip
• 25:42
  functions and French is, French is.
• 25:45
  Thumb up German is thumb in. What's American?
• 25:50
  In between. Fucking classic like that, like
• 25:53
  that. Let's just do this in the
• 25:55
  middle. That's pretty funny feet.
• 25:57
  I feel like some people do sit on the kit and they're just
• 25:59
  like, oh, that's how you do that And I just never fucking have
• 26:01
  it. So I'm super stoked.
• 26:03
  Allison, that's Harry. I've been doing those fucking.
• 26:05
  I've been doing those exercises. Has he, has he been doing this?
• 26:08
  The Spanx. Yeah, every day I've been doing
• 26:10
  those fucking Spanx. And then also I've been going
• 26:13
  into stream and I've been like halfway through the stream and
• 26:18
  I've been like, guys, I can feel that I'm not feeling my leg
• 26:21
  right now. I'm stopping and I'll turn the
• 26:23
  stream off and I stay there for another two hours and I just
• 26:25
  practice. So it's terrible for content,
• 26:28
  but it's great for great for like improving and it is getting
• 26:32
  so much better. Like even from fucking when was
• 26:35
  it last week? It was so much fucking better.
• 26:38
  Sick. Graciously thankful that you
• 26:42
  lived down the fucking St. Yeah, I had one last question on
• 26:45
  the bicep test stuff. Did that affect your mental
• 26:50
  health, having like an injury like that?
• 26:52
  Because it would have crushed me.
• 26:54
  At times, yeah, I was like, I I would be a little aggro and also
• 26:59
  like, yeah, it's just, you know, you're constantly getting like
• 27:04
  pulled back, you know, you'll make some improvements or
• 27:07
  something or the, it's just like, Dang, when is this going
• 27:09
  to fucking sort itself out? Because like I'm on the
• 27:13
  peptides, I'm, I'm doing the right things, all the right
• 27:15
  things. Like.
• 27:17
  So yeah, there was definitely times where, yeah, I was just
• 27:24
  like bummed. But like, All in all, man, I
• 27:29
  just like kind of it did the radical acceptance thing and
• 27:33
  this, it is what it is. And it's my job to make the most
• 27:37
  of it. It's my job to find the other
• 27:39
  things to do so that, you know, I'm setting myself up in six
• 27:44
  weeks or, you know, I didn't realize it'd be like 3-4 months
• 27:48
  till I was really like going, yeah, I'm setting myself up and
• 27:53
  like, this is, this is me taking a step back, like physically,
• 27:58
  but like, you know, I'm going to rebuild.
• 28:01
  And so that's, yeah, that's what I'm in the middle of right now.
• 28:04
  And so, but I, I wouldn't change it because now I have like a
• 28:09
  sense of fire and like refocus on music and playing and, and
• 28:17
  yeah, just being, being present as a, as a drummer, as a public
• 28:22
  drummer or whatever, and helping people more and.
• 28:25
  I mean it's pretty cool. You basically you basically just
• 28:27
  refocused. You know what the amount of
• 28:31
  effort you would normally put into some other stuff and it
• 28:33
  seems like that's relit the fire.
• 28:36
  It's like like you've got thankfully a temporary handicap
• 28:40
  that sort of reminds you of like what could have been and what
• 28:42
  will be, Yes. So you're like.
• 28:45
  And so have some, some, you know, gratitude for like how you
• 28:51
  have your health. You know, a lot of times we take
• 28:53
  it for granted until it's gone. Yeah, especially health, like
• 28:57
  when you get sick or something. It's like, dude, I just want to.
• 28:59
  Feel yeah bro I hate it so much all right when I get cold I'm
• 29:03
  not classic man with a cold like it's the end of the world like I
• 29:07
  have so much to fucking do and it's like some people are like
• 29:10
  fucking dying or don't have an arm or whatever and they like
• 29:14
  have to deal with it and I'm like my sinuses are so bad my.
• 29:18
  Head. My head.
• 29:20
  You make me some. Soup.
• 29:21
  I was going to go. She's good at soup.
• 29:23
  I was going to go to the fucking gym today and now I can't.
• 29:26
  Yeah, I'm probably a fucking nightmare.
• 29:29
  Most people who have a career like you said public facing
• 29:33
  drummer wouldn't do arm wrestling as a hobby in case
• 29:40
  something like this happens. Do you think you have like a
• 29:43
  competitive problem? Do I?
• 29:48
  Yeah, a little bit. I don't know, I don't know this
• 29:51
  for a fact, but like to be as good as you are at the drums,
• 29:53
  like there must be an element of competitiveness.
• 29:56
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I think if if you're
• 29:59
  not competitive, then your your eyes aren't open.
• 30:03
  But there. Is a as a as a practical?
• 30:05
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so, yeah, obviously went too
• 30:10
  far, but you know, I was thinking I was doing it smart.
• 30:14
  And it's like, you know, yeah, I got got, but that's not going to
• 30:18
  that's not going to stop me from going to the gym and trying to
• 30:21
  get stronger. And like continuing to, I'm not
• 30:24
  going to arm wrestle people, but I'll, I'll continue to do the
• 30:28
  all the movements and it helped me to recover actually all the
• 30:32
  knowledge that I had acquired for like over a year and arm
• 30:35
  wrestling helped me. People forget, people forget
• 30:39
  like the best thing you can do when you have an injury is to
• 30:42
  move and like to get blood in that area, even if it is doing
• 30:48
  light versions of the thing that caused the injury.
• 30:52
  Especially if it's just like something like that.
• 30:54
  The best way to get blood in that tendon is to like re do
• 30:58
  those movements. Just less fucking heavy against
• 31:03
  a sweaty guy in a basement with a fucking Kevin.
• 31:05
  Laird says that he says like that's what he does for.
• 31:09
  Is that big hands? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's one
• 31:13
  of them. Or yeah, the number one.
• 31:16
  Why am I blanking on his name? Lavon Saginaw.
• 31:19
  Philly. That's number one.
• 31:20
  Didn't even have to Google that insanely long name.
• 31:23
  But the the number two guy, Devin, he's he's like the
• 31:27
  biggest educator in, in arm wrestling.
• 31:29
  But that's one thing that he says is like the recovering or,
• 31:33
  you know, coming back from an injury or a match or something.
• 31:36
  He does really light work. It's blood flow work because
• 31:39
  there's not a lot of, you know, capillaries and stuff.
• 31:42
  When people tear a Peck, you gotta get back on that Peck
• 31:46
  routine pretty soon. Yeah.
• 31:48
  There's a limit. Careful bro.
• 31:50
  I'll say there's a limit to because I was thinking that and
• 31:54
  I was like, and like, what's that irritated feel?
• 31:57
  Oh, let me lean into that a little bit and try to strengthen
• 32:00
  that. And I think there's there's a
• 32:02
  limit to doing that is what I found you want that's.
• 32:06
  Actually a tear. You need to fucking stop.
• 32:08
  Yeah, you should do that to some degree, but you also should feel
• 32:12
  where it's comfortable and like kind of take that modification
• 32:15
  and stride and be like, well, this is I have to do curls right
• 32:19
  now, a bit more pronated, like not fully supinated, OK.
• 32:24
  And that that was helping me recover more than trying to stay
• 32:28
  absolutely flat and like feeling that pain, even though it's a
• 32:31
  lighter weight and everything being like, ah, this hurts.
• 32:33
  But like so, there's a balance. Do you think the competitive
• 32:38
  nature that we just talked about, does that come out in
• 32:40
  writing with Animals As Leaders? Do you like trying to outdo each
• 32:44
  other? Because like, musically, it kind
• 32:46
  of sounds like you are just like, like, do you ever write
• 32:49
  something? And just like, yeah, fucking
• 32:50
  let's see you. Trying to write to this, I think
• 32:52
  it's just exploration and trying to trying to innovate like I'm
• 32:56
  competitive with myself, but like mostly it's stemming from,
• 33:01
  for me, it's stemming from trying to do some new shit.
• 33:04
  I'm I'm trying to go where others haven't gone.
• 33:07
  And because of the nature of music, it's been around for
• 33:13
  thousands of years. The likelihood you're going to
• 33:16
  innovate in a very simple thing is next to nil.
• 33:21
  So the more towards the edges of complexity you get, the higher
• 33:28
  likelihood you have to create something new.
• 33:30
  But you don't want to be out in space where no one understands,
• 33:34
  right? So it's like there's also an art
• 33:38
  to delivering that complexity in the most simple form so that
• 33:43
  someone can. Understand.
• 33:45
  It understand it on an intuitive level of some sort.
• 33:48
  Which I think animals really does do.
• 33:50
  Like you can buy animals to like a normal person and like, oh,
• 33:53
  they're like a normal person, like a human being.
• 33:56
  And they'll be like, oh, this is awesome.
• 33:58
  And then did you like explain what's happening here?
• 34:01
  Like when I just playing group survive as sixteenths, but then
• 34:04
  here you move the backbeat so it's quintuplets and they go, I
• 34:07
  don't know what you fucking talk about.
• 34:09
  So like you do a good job at making it digestible so the
• 34:14
  nerds can still pick it up. What I always laugh the most
• 34:18
  about is like the fucking the the live video of Kafo brutal
• 34:26
  assault. I did a reaction videos, one of
• 34:28
  my first reaction videos ever before when I used to do
• 34:30
  reaction videos can never get over the fact that people are
• 34:34
  clapping that pattern that that that, that whatever it is and
• 34:39
  the whole crowds doing it. And then we go and play a song
• 34:42
  in 4 four and we want everyone to stay in time.
• 34:47
  Maybe we want them to clap on two and four.
• 34:49
  Maybe we want them to clap Just straight quarter notes dog shit.
• 34:54
  You got. Yeah, it's interesting that.
• 34:57
  It's a. Fucking crazy.
• 34:58
  It's kind of uncanny, yeah. Like I couldn't believe the
• 35:01
  amount of people clapping that perfectly in time as if they are
• 35:04
  clear perfectly. You're talking comparatively.
• 35:08
  Oh yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it is.
• 35:11
  It's pretty tight considering. Like usually people clapping on
• 35:15
  the backbeat or whatever. It's like, you know, shot like
• 35:19
  the 1,000,000 claps rushing, everyone's rushing and then
• 35:22
  there's a few people actually hitting on beat.
• 35:26
  So like to be able to do that pattern in 13, that's what it is
• 35:29
  1212345345. Oh yeah, it's 13.
• 35:34
  That's why I can't count it. Was there ever a discussion to
• 35:37
  retrack the first album? Were you on drums?
• 35:42
  No, but I've I've thought about like maybe I'll do like some
• 35:48
  videos of the first album stuff, but yeah, they don't have the
• 35:53
  stems for it. So basically we have stems for
• 36:00
  like we ended up redoing some of the stems, like some of the bass
• 36:02
  stems and since stems, but there's no guitar stems.
• 36:07
  OK. For that so.
• 36:09
  It's kind of like a practical issue.
• 36:11
  Because when I go back to those songs, I actually go back to the
• 36:13
  live album, which I mean, I do listen to the album.
• 36:16
  I love album, but I go back to the live album that Ronnie mixed
• 36:20
  the whatever it was, I can't remember because I want to hear
• 36:23
  you on those fucking old songs. But you missed the 10 years.
• 36:26
  So I was like, if they were going to do it, they'll do it
• 36:28
  for the 10 year. Because you don't care, because
• 36:31
  bands don't care about the first album.
• 36:33
  Do you care about it? You weren't even on it.
• 36:34
  Yeah, yeah. Well, still I was.
• 36:37
  I listened to it like hell of. I was listening to it for years
• 36:43
  before I joined. Did you think it was a real
• 36:44
  drama? I did.
• 36:45
  So did I. I was like, I was like, this guy
• 36:49
  is insanely clean. I got I got to practice being
• 36:52
  insanely clean. I got to practice these six
• 36:55
  stroke roles that like with insane velocity, it's like, oh,
• 36:58
  that's fucking crazy shit. Yeah.
• 37:01
  I'm a. It'll push, yeah.
• 37:03
  I'm a big, I mean, most of these people know I'm a big animals to
• 37:06
  be this fan. So I've got a bunch of questions
• 37:09
  on animals, but we're going to get to that.
• 37:11
  Oh, I heard while we're talking about the writing you I said do
• 37:15
  you think the competitive nurse plays into it?
• 37:17
  But you've said you're more of a self improvement competitive
• 37:22
  person. I did hear a rumour though that
• 37:24
  you have like a system then correct me if I'm wrong.
• 37:27
  This might come from a bad source that you have a system
• 37:31
  for writing things, or you've been working on a system for
• 37:34
  writing things, or maybe a combination of both that
• 37:39
  confuses almost everyone except you.
• 37:43
  Is there? Is there truth to this?
• 37:45
  I don't think. So I mean I the sentence I heard
• 37:49
  was Matt's working on some crazy shit that I don't even
• 37:53
  understand. I believe it came from Tosin.
• 37:56
  Oh yeah, yeah. So yeah, I guess rhythmically
• 38:04
  speaking, yeah, there's some, there's, there's a new level
• 38:08
  I've started to unlock a new like series of because the
• 38:11
  metric modulation stuff I was going largely based off of
• 38:14
  groupings in time signatures to play like a, a relative 5 / a
• 38:19
  seven. So like 1 is.
• 38:21
  Like I'm 5. OK.
• 38:24
  I am five, yeah. Right.
• 38:27
  So the most simple form is like you have 123-123-1212, 123-1231,
• 38:32
  211-234-1234, 1-234-123-1231. 2341224124.
• 38:38
  Would you mean? The.
• 38:39
  Most simplest. Okay, of this precursor to.
• 38:43
  OK, so 123-123-1212 is 22 fives and you've split it up?
• 38:48
  Correct. Yes, yes.
• 38:49
  So we're in five and there's 10 eighth notes or whatever and
• 38:52
  it's 3322 and then you can imply 4433 over that and now you're in
• 38:59
  seven. Now you have 14 notes total.
• 39:03
  How are you implying that? With a basically, we'll call it
• 39:06
  a clave. Yeah, you know that.
• 39:11
  OK. So you're still in the 55335522
• 39:24
  no 3322? Yep.
• 39:27
  But you're splitting it up differently.
• 39:29
  This is your new type of writing.
• 39:33
  No, that's the, that's what I've been working.
• 39:35
  That's the old shit I've been working on now.
• 39:39
  I don't want to. I don't want to give it away.
• 39:41
  I was going to say like, you look like you don't want to give
• 39:43
  it away. So I'm right there is a new.
• 39:45
  System happening that's confusing people behind the
• 39:47
  scenes you don't have to give me the scoop I just want to know if
• 39:50
  my. Research is well, now I'm I'm
• 39:51
  doing things, I'm time bending essentially like on a on a beat
• 39:56
  scale. OK.
• 39:59
  On a on like a each beat I can manipulate the time in such a
• 40:05
  way that I make. Like a triplet sound like a
• 40:09
  quintuplet or vice versa per. Beat.
• 40:13
  Per beat and then I'm also. Yeah, you were like cagey about
• 40:19
  this. Like any motherfucker watching.
• 40:21
  Like, OK, I'm going to do that before him.
• 40:23
  Like the level is so high. Yeah.
• 40:27
  I like it. I like the way you're keeping
• 40:29
  the secrets. But then I'm kind of doing that
• 40:31
  like on a, on a, on a beat scale and on a grouping scale too.
• 40:37
  So it's, it's there's some cool shit that is happening now.
• 40:42
  And you're bringing that to the United?
• 40:44
  Forces leaders. That's what I that's what I
• 40:46
  want. Yeah, man.
• 40:47
  And, and Victoria stuff too. And yeah, I've been writing a
• 40:50
  lot. So that's because ultimately
• 40:53
  it's like, I don't just want these rhythms to live randomly
• 40:57
  on some drum video that I put on Instagram.
• 41:00
  I, I want them to be like, I guess catalogued in some ways
• 41:05
  and, and, you know, put, put in the history books of like, OK,
• 41:09
  this is, you know, so people can have like a musical attachment
• 41:13
  to it as well. And I also, it's at the end of
• 41:15
  the day, that's what we're trying to do.
• 41:17
  And so that's kind of been my focus in in music is, is
• 41:22
  unlocking different places to travel metrically by way of
• 41:31
  yeah, rhythm. And and so I'm trying to write
• 41:34
  based off of that, you know, instead of just writing loops or
• 41:38
  whatever. Yeah, I'm trying to like.
• 41:40
  So will you write these, jam them and then send them to
• 41:44
  toasting and be like right over this?
• 41:47
  Like how does writing work with you guys?
• 41:49
  We do it in person. Oh my God, old school I guess.
• 41:54
  The most new school fucking alien tech band of all time jams
• 41:58
  old school. No, we, we don't like track it
• 42:01
  in like OK, 1234. No, it's, it's like definitely
• 42:08
  pieced in and like tracked in piece by piece.
• 42:12
  And but like we typically we start with a solid idea.
• 42:18
  And so that's basically what I've been doing is being like,
• 42:21
  OK, I need to have like a solid enough idea that this is like a
• 42:25
  song can kind of be based around this or there's like two or
• 42:28
  three parts places that we're looking to go metrically where
• 42:34
  now this song can be in these, you know, different places.
• 42:38
  But there's this skeleton that's the same for the five, for the
• 42:43
  seven and like the 17 or some. Kind of like, so it's like a new
• 42:48
  version, like you said, of what you've already been doing.
• 42:50
  Like Monomyth in my head has a lot of that where, correct me if
• 42:54
  I'm wrong, where it's like, OK, well, here's the yeah.
• 43:01
  And then later. But even in that whole intro,
• 43:04
  you spin that a million times. Or you can feel it and then we
• 43:11
  take the 23223 and we make 35335 and then it you know.
• 43:17
  So you're, yeah, you get these, you build these skeleton things
• 43:20
  and they can revert back to each other at different points in the
• 43:25
  song to make it one whole piece. Is it because it's so Tosin
• 43:30
  doesn't hear these things until you're in the room jamming?
• 43:34
  Yeah, and, and sometimes that's crazy.
• 43:37
  That's it makes it difficult. But like, I mean, he's pretty
• 43:40
  good at being able to come up with something.
• 43:43
  Oh yeah, he's fucking. He's the, he's the you like you
• 43:46
  are the perfect fit for that fucking band.
• 43:48
  You both fucking freak. You're all three of you fucking
• 43:50
  freaks. Yeah.
• 43:51
  But I I personally, and obviously I've got a smooth
• 43:54
  brain in comparison, but like, I couldn't comprehend, like if the
• 43:59
  roles were reversed and then I go to a jam room and was like,
• 44:03
  well, I've got this incredibly complex idea and it does this
• 44:05
  and it does this. Does this, man, I'd need to see
• 44:08
  that on a grid. But I think that's really cool.
• 44:11
  Must be how he comes up with such complimentary yet fucking
• 44:15
  weird parts. Yeah, he, he, he comes up with
• 44:19
  ideas too. Like it's definitely, it's not,
• 44:21
  you know, I'm, I'm probably, I don't know, yeah.
• 44:27
  He, he, he usually comes with like a set of ideas he'll have
• 44:30
  like set of strong riffs. And then from there, then it's
• 44:35
  like, OK, what should have I been working on where I could
• 44:40
  take something that and bring it to another place if we need to
• 44:45
  or like what other because that's it's it's motif based
• 44:49
  writing. That's what it is.
• 44:50
  You have a motif and you're trying to.
• 44:53
  Instead of things just being. Like, OK, well, here's a this
• 44:56
  verse and then the course sounds totally different and they're
• 44:58
  all they're all different parts, but they're in the same song.
• 45:01
  You know, that's less cool, I think, than having it like, it's
• 45:05
  like having it in the same key, you know, Or if you're going to,
• 45:08
  you warp the motif. Instead of like the normal thing
• 45:13
  would just be to change the key, you're like OK no actually this
• 45:15
  is the back beat now. Boom, new section.
• 45:19
  It's like modulating to another key, but.
• 45:21
  In a cool way, instead of just doing direct modulation, you
• 45:25
  know we're doing it, and now it sounds like.
• 45:28
  Metric modulation has got boring to you because you've completed
• 45:32
  it and now you're finding a new way to make it fucking even more
• 45:35
  complex. Yes, Or not.
• 45:37
  I don't know what to call it yet.
• 45:39
  It's I think it's, no, I think it's still metric modulation
• 45:42
  because or metric implication. Oh, metric implication.
• 45:48
  Did you just coin that? Is that new?
• 45:49
  Yeah. Is that it's more about like
• 45:51
  implying like. There's yeah, and sometimes you
• 45:54
  go straight for it, but yeah, I'm also like playing with just
• 45:58
  implying other. Levels or something?
• 46:06
  Did you ever get that, Gavin? Harrison Book Back in the day,
• 46:10
  Rhythmic Illusions. I did, but I didn't get.
• 46:13
  I didn't get through. It that was that was one of my
• 46:15
  first. Like the first thing that I
• 46:17
  realized, the metric modulation stuff, and I went through that
• 46:21
  whole, but I can't even remember maybe five of them now, but
• 46:24
  like, that was eye open for me. Yeah.
• 46:27
  You ever meet him? No, not yet, Not yet.
• 46:30
  He. Is.
• 46:34
  As you'd. Expect.
• 46:36
  I would expect him to. Be.
• 46:39
  Reserved, but like Zen. Yeah, he.
• 46:45
  Requested particular and like. Responsive directly to what you
• 46:53
  said. He requested a different green.
• 46:56
  Room because we were sharing a green room together, I don't
• 46:58
  think, and he was very respectful about it, but like he
• 47:02
  definitely has his Zen situation.
• 47:06
  We were both playing a Zildjian event and it was like, I think
• 47:10
  he needed his own space. We had the green room together.
• 47:13
  He's very, very meticulous about these things.
• 47:15
  And he was, I think he just politely requested a different
• 47:17
  green room, but I'm pretty sure I was drinking beers.
• 47:20
  He's like, I don't want this scraggly.
• 47:22
  I think that's what, a metaled rock guy.
• 47:26
  But yeah. Absolute freak of a drama I
• 47:27
  think tour. Dog, I think I just, I, I messed
• 47:30
  with his routine, if you know what I mean.
• 47:33
  You're like drinking beer and burping.
• 47:36
  Yeah, I think I messed. With his routine, he was, he
• 47:39
  wasn't happy. He was nice, though.
• 47:41
  He was really nice. I'm sure he thought nothing of
• 47:43
  it. But I, I would love to see if it
• 47:45
  was like to know if it was like a meltdown that I didn't know.
• 47:47
  I was like, what's up, Gavin, blah, blah, blah.
• 47:49
  Like being a bit like, this is the girl.
• 47:51
  It's OK. Great.
• 47:52
  Yeah, OK. Nice.
• 47:53
  To meet you and then like within fucking 20 minutes it was like.
• 47:56
  Yeah, we put you in a different room.
• 47:57
  I was like, oh, interesting. I.
• 48:00
  Think I and you know what? In my head I was like.
• 48:02
  Maybe I like it. Maybe I moved his sticks off his
• 48:06
  practice pad at some point. Yeah.
• 48:08
  I mean, that's pretty outrageous behaviour for me, to be honest.
• 48:11
  But like, I don't know, I messed with the system.
• 48:14
  He wasn't very happy. I'm sure he's fine.
• 48:17
  I. Actually want to.
• 48:18
  There's something. I would like to hear your
• 48:21
  thoughts on fuck yeah it's the Matt Gasker show.
• 48:25
  Sorry I. I want to know what you think
• 48:28
  about AI and whether it's whether it's good or oh, you
• 48:33
  think it's good. No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 48:34
  I just been sick conversation. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:37
  What in terms of music? Oh, I think it's.
• 48:42
  Abysmal. I think it's terrifying.
• 48:47
  I think it's for, I think it's giving access to the things that
• 48:53
  we have worked so hard and we sweat over and fucking ruins our
• 48:58
  lives as a life sentence. Getting good at the instrument,
• 49:01
  learning to write songs, all this stuff.
• 49:03
  I think it's giving access to that to people that haven't put
• 49:07
  the work in to be able to just go to a prompt and go, I want to
• 49:11
  make this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 49:13
  And then they feel accomplished, like a musician, and they put on
• 49:16
  Spotify and they make fucking shit loads of money.
• 49:18
  That's my opinion. I'm very against it.
• 49:20
  Yeah, for creative purposes, you.
• 49:24
  Yeah, I agree. Like.
• 49:26
  What you're touching on, to me falls in the human rights
• 49:29
  category. It's like because they can't
• 49:31
  utilize that, they can't make AI creative without or create they,
• 49:39
  they can't have it produce this stuff without training data,
• 49:42
  which is humans. And so technically now they're
• 49:46
  stealing the intellectual property or licensing it in some
• 49:50
  way. And Suno has already been caught
• 49:55
  like scrubbing YouTube and stuff and basically stealing the
• 50:00
  intellectual property. So I think we needed for AI in
• 50:03
  general, develop human rights for human intellectual property.
• 50:09
  But beyond that, I think, yeah, it's making it very easy for
• 50:16
  people. And it's it's just doing what
• 50:18
  producers have been doing for like the last 20 years, which is
• 50:23
  reproducing, just being like, oh, there's a hit and it's like
• 50:26
  some shuffle. And you know, it's got some old
• 50:29
  80s thing to it. Oh, OK, let's just yeah, we're
• 50:34
  going to steal that and we're going to try to do a hit based
• 50:37
  off of that. And just so these people's jobs,
• 50:41
  I don't, I don't feel bad for these people, these people who
• 50:44
  have just made derivative crap and just like re kind of like
• 50:49
  hashed other stuff or just or just make like straight up trap.
• 50:53
  And it's like everyone's making it though you can.
• 50:57
  Dislike it but a guy still making it OK so maybe I do.
• 51:02
  Feel bad because they're humans, right?
• 51:04
  Yeah. And so it's really about being
• 51:13
  able to make the decisions necessary to curate your own
• 51:20
  style. So that's where I'm, I'm kind of
• 51:22
  callous towards people who haven't done that process.
• 51:25
  I, I fully get what you're saying.
• 51:27
  I'm just. They just like are like, oh, I'm
• 51:29
  going to do this. CGDG like progression.
• 51:33
  What I'm basically saying is that those people should be very
• 51:37
  afraid of AI. And so musicians, we've got to
• 51:41
  be like, we need to be creative and, and dare to do something
• 51:48
  outside of the perfect lines of what genre are you in or what
• 51:52
  style or what bands are you emulating?
• 51:55
  It's like emulate your own sound that comes from within.
• 52:00
  Be actually be creative and don't just, you know, rehash
• 52:04
  what everyone's done because AI is, is going to do that now.
• 52:08
  And so. You know.
• 52:10
  I'm imploring people to do that. And also at the same time, I'm
• 52:13
  like, you know, when you're working in a program and you're
• 52:19
  tuning the synth and you know, I don't know, taking.
• 52:24
  All this effort. To make it sound a certain way
• 52:28
  and put these elements together like that's what we could be
• 52:33
  missing out on if we're just allowing AI even just to write
• 52:38
  parts or whatever. So it's it's going through happy
• 52:42
  accidents that happen as. A human twiddling with knobs.
• 52:47
  I mean, I, I agree. I mean, I think we agree we're
• 52:51
  on the same stance with this. And I do agree a lot,
• 52:54
  particularly in metal core, a lot of bands that just sound
• 52:56
  exactly the same. And you know, it is it is often,
• 53:00
  you know, the producer helping that.
• 53:02
  But at the end of the day, the band is saying we want to sound
• 53:05
  like this band and then they go to the same producer so that
• 53:07
  they can sound like this band. Those guys are in trouble.
• 53:10
  My issue is like did you like? What you're saying?
• 53:15
  Is like, yeah we need to dare to be so outside of the box that AI
• 53:20
  isn't trained on what we do. Correct.
• 53:23
  That's the bar. The problem is the majority of
• 53:25
  fucking music listeners, the majority of the music that pays
• 53:29
  the bills is the shit AI is going to be able to do.
• 53:32
  Yeah. And that and that's also that's.
• 53:34
  A big problem because then, you know, we're as a culture
• 53:40
  accepting that degree of like McDonald's.
• 53:47
  Exactly that, and. Also, I'm already hearing it,
• 53:50
  how many? Like, I implore everyone to just
• 53:53
  listen next time they're at this is this is like another way
• 53:57
  we're just getting fucked. Next time they're out like a
• 53:59
  cafe or like McDonald's maybe, I don't know.
• 54:02
  But like the people that aren't paying their license to play
• 54:07
  radio, they're now using AI versions of popular songs
• 54:10
  because they don't have to pay the licensing.
• 54:13
  I saw a thing about that in Europe.
• 54:14
  That's big. Oh yeah.
• 54:15
  That's I noticed it when we were in Europe.
• 54:17
  I was like, this is like Taylor Swift, but it's not Taylor
• 54:20
  Swift. And someone's like, yeah, it's
• 54:21
  AI. And I was like, oh, so they
• 54:22
  don't have to pay the fucking license for PRSI think it was in
• 54:26
  the UK. And PRS you have to pay.
• 54:28
  If you own a place that pays music publicly, you have to pay
• 54:32
  a licensed PRS so that they can then collect royalties on behalf
• 54:36
  of all of the artists that you've heard how we all get
• 54:38
  fucking paid. And now they don't have to do
• 54:41
  that because AI is fucking doing it.
• 54:42
  They should have to pay everyone.
• 54:46
  That they stole from How do they?
• 54:49
  How do you how how? What they you need to?
• 54:52
  You need to have it so that the law say to figure it out, to set
• 54:56
  to be able to see their what what their training data is and
• 55:02
  then you take split that well. That's The thing, is that it
• 55:06
  they, they. Need hundreds if not thousands
• 55:09
  or 10s of thousands of examples to be able to create this stuff.
• 55:13
  Human examples, by the way. So now you've got to pay
• 55:17
  royalties to 10,000 people because that's what it took to
• 55:23
  produce this AI piece of music. And so now what we're getting
• 55:30
  110 thousandth of a cent for, so we need to make.
• 55:35
  Laws. Yeah, exactly.
• 55:37
  We need to make laws. That protect humans, That we're
• 55:40
  far behind on this right now. I think we're fucked.
• 55:43
  I honestly just think we're fucked.
• 55:44
  Like I can't see them even being like what I'm saying
• 55:48
  infrastructure you got, you gotta make, you gotta make.
• 55:51
  New music, you gotta you. Gotta be.
• 55:53
  Creative start being creative musician stop playing four on
• 55:57
  the floor I or like stop playing playing the the that's the gig,
• 56:02
  but stop. Playing the shit that's gonna
• 56:04
  make you money. Everyone you know go into my
• 56:08
  world of insane. I mean, I'm with you.
• 56:10
  I don't listen to fucking normal person music.
• 56:13
  I just don't. I like the weird shit.
• 56:15
  However, as humans and musicians, we have many
• 56:19
  contemporaries that rely on that dog shit music for their living
• 56:23
  and they're going to get fucked. We're going to get fucked.
• 56:25
  We're all going to get fucked. I will say this about AI like oh
• 56:29
  I've got a conspiracy as well. I don't know if it's a real life
• 56:32
  conspiracy and it already exists, but this is my
• 56:34
  conspiracy about AII. Think they have deliberately
• 56:37
  trained it on the arts first, music, art, blah blah blah so
• 56:47
  that. It will.
• 56:48
  Make those jobs obsolete so that people will not do those jobs
• 56:55
  because they want more people. To.
• 56:58
  Be doing the other work for the man instead of being free and
• 57:03
  making music because if you're good at music, there was a hot
• 57:06
  period where you could make a lot of money.
• 57:08
  And now everyone, you ask any kid what they want to be.
• 57:12
  I mean #1 is probably YouTube. But number 2 is some something
• 57:16
  creative. No one's no one's going like no
• 57:19
  one's even going to want to be an astronaut anymore.
• 57:21
  They're like, I want to be Logan Paul.
• 57:24
  So I think they're going for they're going to destroy
• 57:27
  creative jobs so that all companies.
• 57:31
  Are using Sora. For their video and they're
• 57:33
  using just AI we need to make a pamphlet for something do you
• 57:37
  want to pay the do you want to pay the illustrator Nad we just
• 57:39
  get AI to do it so that those jobs become obsolete so there's
• 57:42
  more people to do the drone work right that's my.
• 57:47
  Fear. I can see that when I also see.
• 57:50
  That doing the drone. Work right.
• 57:52
  That's what we we should have it.
• 57:54
  Doing first it should be replacing like the the.
• 57:58
  Sorry, the Doctor Who are like looking at the X-ray because it
• 58:03
  can spot and save lives. You know, that should be the OR
• 58:07
  taking like the accounting jobs because like do we really want
• 58:12
  humans like doing those jobs that I'm sure they would rather
• 58:15
  be doing something else and also a machine.
• 58:18
  I mean other than the. Like you see the thing where
• 58:20
  ChatGPT doesn't know how to spell strawberry if you ask
• 58:24
  ChatGPT. How to spell?
• 58:25
  Strawberry. Every single time it says there
• 58:28
  are, I know, no, you say how many Rs are in Strawberry and it
• 58:31
  says there's two. And no matter what you do, you
• 58:33
  cannot get it to say 3 because it's trained on the Google
• 58:38
  search how many Rs are in Strawberry.
• 58:41
  And almost everyone's intention when they Google that is they
• 58:46
  want to know if is there two at the end in Berry.
• 58:50
  So because it's been trained on so many incorrect searches, it's
• 58:53
  like there's two, there's two things in Strawberry.
• 58:56
  So like it's also the hands on a clock.
• 58:59
  I couldn't get it to not be like this, like a 10 and two because
• 59:04
  most watch advertisements. That's the way it looks best.
• 59:08
  So it literally can't change the hands.
• 59:11
  Wait, what were you using it for?
• 59:15
  It's trying to come up with some sort of.
• 59:17
  Time Bender or mastering time logo or something, I don't know.
• 59:21
  Oh, so you used it for all? Yeah, I was trying.
• 59:25
  It's trying. You just said.
• 59:26
  You fucking hate. It and you're.
• 59:27
  Like I'm gonna pay a fucking eye, so you lay out correct.
• 59:33
  Yeah, I'm, I'm. I'm I was definitely looking
• 59:36
  into it and but I I got rid of it because I'm like, what, what
• 59:38
  am I using this for? This is like a glorified Google
• 59:40
  search, like Yeah, and it's although.
• 59:43
  We are musicians. The fucking illustrators are our
• 59:46
  brothers and sisters too. That's true.
• 59:48
  They're getting it. They're getting fucked, probably
• 59:51
  more than us. Right now.
• 59:53
  Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely fucked one.
• 59:55
  Thing real quick. I think.
• 59:57
  It's it might be more likely if it there is a conspiracy that
• 1:00:03
  they they know that. If they were to be like
• 1:00:07
  immediately like, Oh yeah, all you doctors and accountants are
• 1:00:10
  are losing your job because AI is going to replace them.
• 1:00:13
  Like people would freak or people would flip and people
• 1:00:16
  would be like, oh, we need human rights, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 1:00:18
  blah. But if you go after.
• 1:00:20
  The arts first. You go after poor, broke
• 1:00:24
  musicians and artists been trodden on the whole.
• 1:00:27
  Life that's. How we're and people will
• 1:00:30
  they'll ask for it. Actually they'll be like, yeah,
• 1:00:33
  I would love to have an AI assistant in my logic pro thing
• 1:00:37
  so it could just write the thing for me, please.
• 1:00:40
  Then they're asking for. It I pay.
• 1:00:42
  For it. I despise it for creative stuff.
• 1:00:45
  Despise it. I do.
• 1:00:46
  Like you said, I think it's a human rights fucking violation
• 1:00:49
  and it is, and it's stealing, but like.
• 1:00:53
  I. Can also see the benefit of it
• 1:00:57
  for like menial tasks. I think if it was just used to
• 1:01:04
  alleviate banal tasks from humans so they could be more
• 1:01:10
  creative and they could enjoy their lives more it would be
• 1:01:14
  fucking great. But it's fucking not.
• 1:01:16
  Like I have used it couple of times.
• 1:01:19
  I used it not for creative that. That's why I fucking did it.
• 1:01:24
  Not not for creative stuff though.
• 1:01:26
  I was getting AI got a new car and I wanted to know what the
• 1:01:30
  best deal in the country was for the new car and I googled it and
• 1:01:35
  it was a bunch of fucking things and there was so many fucking
• 1:01:39
  Google searches like this. I mean, this is going to waste
• 1:01:41
  an. Hour of my life so I ChatGPT for
• 1:01:45
  the. Best fucking deal and people
• 1:01:48
  will be this is the other thing and I do think these people are
• 1:01:50
  right. People will be so annoyed that I
• 1:01:52
  use ChatGPT there and it's like my, I think for menial tasks
• 1:01:58
  it's quite good. I don't know about the economic
• 1:02:00
  impact or any of that fucking shit.
• 1:02:02
  I don't use it ever. Or saving lives, you know, like
• 1:02:04
  they're in the medical. Industry.
• 1:02:06
  You're like creating proteins that have never been searched
• 1:02:09
  through a fucking genome. To fight like that shit, fucking
• 1:02:12
  do it all day. Yeah, My blanket statement is
• 1:02:16
  like if it can be used to help someone alleviate.
• 1:02:23
  Some of the downward. Pressure from the man then I'm
• 1:02:26
  all for it. Prime example getting fucked at
• 1:02:28
  car dealerships. So I chat GPTS what what is the
• 1:02:32
  best deal for this car with this many miles and this year in the
• 1:02:38
  world? Like what?
• 1:02:38
  Is the best deal that you? Can possibly get and it came up
• 1:02:41
  with one manager special in fucking Long Beach, CA and it
• 1:02:46
  was like a website you couldn't even get to from the official
• 1:02:50
  website. It was just a manager special
• 1:02:51
  that was like an e-mail thing. It was like the end of the year
• 1:02:53
  they're getting rid of all these cars.
• 1:02:55
  So then I then went into a car leadership.
• 1:02:58
  I was like, I'm looking at this car blah blah blah.
• 1:03:00
  They said this is the best deal that we can do.
• 1:03:05
  And I was like, what about this deal in Long Beach, blah, blah,
• 1:03:07
  blah. And they were like pretty
• 1:03:09
  stumped. So I don't know how they're
• 1:03:10
  coming up with that that figure that's crazy.
• 1:03:12
  And I was like, well, I could just go to them and get them to
• 1:03:15
  ship it to me because it's so much it's like half the price,
• 1:03:17
  so much cheaper. They ended up fucking doing it
• 1:03:22
  GPC baby. They they they shipped it to
• 1:03:24
  you. No the.
• 1:03:25
  The People Dealership, dealership.
• 1:03:27
  We found the other place and we're like, are you doing this
• 1:03:29
  deal? And they were like, yeah, OK.
• 1:03:31
  And then they did it. I didn't tell them ChatGPT was
• 1:03:34
  involved. But for stuff like that, I'm
• 1:03:35
  like, OK, like, fucking go for it.
• 1:03:37
  I don't know about the economic things.
• 1:03:39
  Get it out of creative shit. Get it fucking gone.
• 1:03:42
  Yeah, please. I'm terrified of it.
• 1:03:44
  Yeah, I agree. I agree.
• 1:03:46
  I would. Where where's your line now?
• 1:03:50
  OK, I'm. Going to give you an example
• 1:03:52
  because I don't know where I stand on this.
• 1:03:54
  So like you know, editing drums. Let's assume you edit your drums
• 1:03:58
  to the grid, which I'm sure we don't.
• 1:04:00
  But let's assume you track something and whoever wanted it
• 1:04:03
  edited to the grid. I know beat detective.
• 1:04:07
  Exists on Pro. Tools, but it's very flawed.
• 1:04:11
  AI beat detective is that? You're using that, I don't know
• 1:04:16
  where. I stand on that because I would
• 1:04:18
  normally pay a drum editor to do that.
• 1:04:22
  I massage. Stuff so and with animals, they
• 1:04:28
  really they're. They want like.
• 1:04:32
  Almost they're they would probably not notice if it was
• 1:04:36
  100% quantized and they want it more like that, but person.
• 1:04:41
  I have to fight. To be like no.
• 1:04:43
  There's a level of natural feel and fluctuation that makes it
• 1:04:49
  more like a, a river flowing that is, is better in my
• 1:04:54
  opinion, partially because now we have identity attached to it
• 1:04:59
  and some this human element as opposed to sounding like
• 1:05:03
  everyone else. So I'm not a I'm not against
• 1:05:08
  people using it or, or quantizing the drums or using,
• 1:05:11
  you know, the plug in or whatever.
• 1:05:14
  But like, the more that we do that and the more that everyone
• 1:05:18
  does makes the same choices and and is going for the same
• 1:05:22
  aesthetic, the less we're actually making art.
• 1:05:26
  So there, you know, you said get it out of the arts.
• 1:05:29
  It's like, what? What about people who are not
• 1:05:31
  artistic who are in the arts? They're simply making derivative
• 1:05:36
  bullshit or just making choices that everyone else is making.
• 1:05:40
  And they're like, I want to just sound like this other band.
• 1:05:44
  So I I don't know, I think so. Would you click the button or
• 1:05:47
  not? Would you click the button if?
• 1:05:49
  If I would not, I would. I would.
• 1:05:51
  I would. Try to keep it as human as
• 1:05:53
  absolutely possible and maybe some of some mistakes or
• 1:05:57
  something I would leave in there.
• 1:05:59
  What about from a moral level though, If they?
• 1:06:01
  Say you're not you and you're not making Animals As Leaders
• 1:06:03
  and the the artist you're working with wants it fully
• 1:06:06
  gridded. I probably wouldn't work with
• 1:06:08
  them. Nice.
• 1:06:09
  Answer yeah. What a fucking good.
• 1:06:11
  Answer I'm like on to. I've got.
• 1:06:14
  I'm like because normally I would pay a guy to.
• 1:06:17
  Fucking edit my drums. Even if I want edited drums.
• 1:06:20
  So like I'm like, would I actually if I click the button?
• 1:06:22
  In fact, now I've answered my own question.
• 1:06:24
  There is an AI multicam Switcher on Davinci Resolve now for.
• 1:06:29
  Podcasts and it. Automatically switches based on
• 1:06:32
  who is talking. And I refuse to use it because
• 1:06:37
  Simon, our editor, relies on this money and I don't want to
• 1:06:41
  take that money out of his pocket.
• 1:06:43
  So actually, I've answered my own fucking question.
• 1:06:46
  Yeah, I'm for the people, but. Simon, you know.
• 1:06:51
  You better be. Sprucing up some stuff.
• 1:06:54
  Hold on to your job. Yeah, they're coming for you,
• 1:06:56
  but that's shit like that. You don't think about that.
• 1:06:58
  It's like, yeah, well, I can. I could say it's all about
• 1:07:00
  creative shit, but like, editors, their fucking job.
• 1:07:03
  What are you going to do? Fucking sucks.
• 1:07:07
  Yeah. You're going to have to make
• 1:07:10
  more creative choices. And at some point it's going to
• 1:07:12
  come to a head where society essentially ends up with.
• 1:07:16
  So many jobs to. Replace that.
• 1:07:18
  Now we have to like impose some sort of universal basic income
• 1:07:22
  or something. What I think we should be doing
• 1:07:26
  is taxing the hell out of AI anytime it's being used so that
• 1:07:33
  those proceeds go to supporting humans.
• 1:07:38
  It goes to a universal basic income for the creatives that
• 1:07:41
  it's stolen or. Fund or whatever?
• 1:07:44
  Yes, exactly. For the fucking great work,
• 1:07:47
  yeah, they'll never do. It but it's great.
• 1:07:49
  It's the it's the best solution. That is the best I heard it is.
• 1:07:54
  I thought of it and like this would.
• 1:07:56
  This would work. It's so annoying that.
• 1:07:59
  Like. Our generation, How old are you?
• 1:08:01
  36? Yeah, I'm 38.
• 1:08:03
  So we're the. Same.
• 1:08:04
  We got fucked. We're like the first generation
• 1:08:07
  of musicians to get truly fucked by Spotify and all that shit.
• 1:08:12
  And now we're also living that the tail end of our careers.
• 1:08:17
  COVID wasn't enough. Oh yeah, sorry.
• 1:08:19
  COVID in the middle, so we had. The Napster Spotify thing fucked
• 1:08:23
  us. Still reeling from that.
• 1:08:25
  COVID in the middle fucked. And then now as we're reaching
• 1:08:29
  our twilight, it's like AI is just kind of fucking annihilate
• 1:08:34
  us. Yeah, but true artists.
• 1:08:36
  Will personally. Might be in the AI slob
• 1:08:40
  pocalypse fucking 50 years from now people remember Matt Gasket.
• 1:08:44
  Hopefully you're still. Alive in 50.
• 1:08:46
  Years. Let's say 100 years.
• 1:08:48
  Remember Matt Gasket, one of the last true human musicians?
• 1:08:53
  Yeah, me. Two robots.
• 1:08:54
  Talking to each. Other at that point.
• 1:08:56
  They could. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:08:57
  Or they could have me playing like, you know, all the covers
• 1:09:01
  they could. They could AI video me playing
• 1:09:04
  the worst covers and Oh yeah. Shit, yeah, I saw you.
• 1:09:10
  Playing with all. OK, so.
• 1:09:11
  Speaking of being more. Creative and, you know, not
• 1:09:15
  letting machines do anything for you and just generally being
• 1:09:18
  more human. You've got a drum plug.
• 1:09:20
  Yeah, so do I. We correct, doggone AI and fake.
• 1:09:25
  Shit, but we both got plug insurance which is one of the.
• 1:09:30
  Gripes that I've come up with now I just come up with them
• 1:09:34
  apparently like Machine. What's your new gripe?
• 1:09:37
  It's when people like compress the hell out of it's so much
• 1:09:42
  that it's like this doesn't. Even.
• 1:09:43
  Sound like my drums anymore. This.
• 1:09:44
  Oh, on your plug in? Yeah, you're annoying with.
• 1:09:47
  Mixes a little bit, yeah, it's like.
• 1:09:50
  So compressed that it's it's squashes like so much of the
• 1:09:53
  tone where I'm like this, It sounds like it could be any like
• 1:09:57
  new gentie thing because it's like that's the sound.
• 1:10:00
  But that's because you gave them the option.
• 1:10:03
  With the plug in they can do. What I want.
• 1:10:04
  I know you regret it. You regret it.
• 1:10:07
  No. No, I, I, I think.
• 1:10:09
  Far more good is being done. And there's also like the MIDI
• 1:10:13
  pack, which is sick. And the way that that should be
• 1:10:15
  presented is through, through the kit.
• 1:10:18
  Having the kit, having my kit fully sampled has been actually
• 1:10:21
  really helpful in the writing process with like doing my own
• 1:10:26
  thing or with Victoria with, with Animals.
• 1:10:29
  We've got full mic set up now. So I, I do real kit on the
• 1:10:33
  demos, which is sick. Definitely gives more character.
• 1:10:37
  But yeah, no, I'm not, I'm not regretting.
• 1:10:41
  I think it's, I think it's sick that anyone can have my kit,
• 1:10:45
  basically. Did you find no regrets?
• 1:10:48
  Did you? No regrets, no regrets.
• 1:10:50
  Did you find the actual sampling or the grooves more difficult
• 1:10:58
  and or annoying? The sampling was tedious.
• 1:11:02
  But I was like, I'm going to focus on every tiny.
• 1:11:06
  I'm like, I'm going to put as much effort into and by the.
• 1:11:10
  End. I was like.
• 1:11:10
  OK, this is. This is kind of shot.
• 1:11:13
  Yeah, yeah. As much.
• 1:11:16
  As I can try to be. Into it, I think like how many
• 1:11:18
  days did you do because yours. Is fucking seven.
• 1:11:21
  Yeah yours is 2 sets of heads. Massive kit. 2 kicks. 5 snares.
• 1:11:28
  Yeah, I did. And this is the annoying thing I
• 1:11:30
  actually. Did I did 4 snares and two kicks
• 1:11:34
  and I didn't use them so I'm going to shave the fucking day
• 1:11:37
  off. There because we.
• 1:11:37
  Ended up going going the one kick one the route so it's only
• 1:11:41
  I like shoehorn. I was like we did 4 snares I.
• 1:11:45
  Like you can't. Make me pick between like pick
• 1:11:48
  one of these. Snares because we deliberately.
• 1:11:50
  Tuned like what too low and too high, so just give me two.
• 1:11:54
  But like, there is the I went into it like you maybe first
• 1:11:58
  three days I was like, this is actually kind of good for my
• 1:12:01
  playing because like, I'm guessing what velocity this is
• 1:12:04
  going to be. And I'm nailing it.
• 1:12:05
  Like this must be really good for my, like, knowledge of how
• 1:12:09
  hard I'm going to hit the drums. And then day four comes around,
• 1:12:11
  I'm like, I want to go home. Fucking crazy.
• 1:12:15
  Yeah, it's the. The the MIDI.
• 1:12:18
  Pack was. Fun, but it did.
• 1:12:20
  It took a while How? How long did yours take?
• 1:12:25
  How long you used? A month right?
• 1:12:27
  Oh bro, maybe 2? Yeah.
• 1:12:29
  Maybe 2 because I was also. Did you clean yours up?
• 1:12:34
  I did, yeah. I did it myself.
• 1:12:36
  I was like, don't you guys don't have the the brain black belt
• 1:12:41
  in? Dotted.
• 1:12:42
  Quintuplets, because I did have some stuff like that in there.
• 1:12:44
  Yeah, your groove bags. Fucking crazy.
• 1:12:47
  To I like I ours. Came out quite close.
• 1:12:51
  To each other. But I do, I do like, I really
• 1:12:54
  don't think there's any stepping on each other's toes.
• 1:12:56
  The 2 completely different fucking products, 2 completely
• 1:12:59
  different groove bags, two different sounds.
• 1:13:01
  Yeah, yeah. The grooves were.
• 1:13:04
  First like. I know I don't.
• 1:13:07
  Know if I know 3? 100 grooves.
• 1:13:09
  Like eventually I did fucking know it, but like, it's kind of
• 1:13:13
  hard to like the way they ask for it in a song to like what at
• 1:13:18
  least it did for me, you know? Whatever, you can make us
• 1:13:20
  whatever it was. 15 songs with 20 parts.
• 1:13:22
  So like, yeah, like 10 parts for a verse.
• 1:13:25
  That kind of variation, 10 very to 15 variations on a verse and
• 1:13:29
  then same on a chorus. And I was like second guessing
• 1:13:32
  myself with like. OK, we'll like the minute the
• 1:13:35
  MIDI is in there and I see where it is off the grid.
• 1:13:39
  And I'll be. Like I could just press Q There
• 1:13:44
  was a lot of that I. Think a lot of the.
• 1:13:46
  Time was me was the the clean up where I'm not going through it
• 1:13:49
  and I'm like, but I don't know how that's going to sound with
• 1:13:52
  the guitar that sounds good right now and it's not on the
• 1:13:54
  grid, but what if someone goes to play it, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:13:56
  So I think I was like, you got to kind of air on the side of
• 1:13:59
  caution and. Quantize a little more because
• 1:14:01
  they might also take the tempo way down too and their their
• 1:14:06
  projects at 90 instead of 115 or something.
• 1:14:10
  You know, I did notice that with mine, I I.
• 1:14:13
  I don't get annoyed by people's mixes because mine is like the
• 1:14:16
  mix it comes with is like the mix you get.
• 1:14:18
  It's not like as outputted and intricate as your one.
• 1:14:22
  But like, the only thing I did notice with a couple of people's
• 1:14:26
  play throughs when I was like, my brother in Christ, that song
• 1:14:30
  was written at 150 and you've written a song at 200 with those
• 1:14:34
  parts. Like, no one's going to be able
• 1:14:35
  to play that. Yeah, but guitar players love
• 1:14:38
  that. Still got paid they loved.
• 1:14:40
  Him. That's one of their favorite
• 1:14:41
  things to do. Yeah.
• 1:14:42
  Hey, I wrote some insane drum part because, you know, I
• 1:14:48
  thought the guitars, you know, writing writing more interesting
• 1:14:53
  on the guitars just wasn't cutting it for me.
• 1:14:56
  So I wanted to do your job for you and here.
• 1:14:58
  It is. And you think you're comfortable
• 1:15:01
  with this tempo, It's 30 BPM more.
• 1:15:03
  Enjoy. But now you've got a plug in to
• 1:15:05
  give people to, yeah, come up with your shit.
• 1:15:08
  I'm quite. I would like to see because I
• 1:15:12
  haven't worked with anyone yet. I would like to.
• 1:15:14
  See, like if before we start working together, I can be like,
• 1:15:17
  can I give you my plug in and then see if they can build some
• 1:15:19
  shit out of grooves. I already fucking know.
• 1:15:23
  Be very fucking easy. Yeah.
• 1:15:25
  Oh yeah, you can. That's that's what you should be
• 1:15:28
  doing. Basically is like, like having a
• 1:15:33
  catalog catalog. It's a yeah, I would do it
• 1:15:37
  again. I think I would do.
• 1:15:39
  A MIDI pack again, but like I need some time.
• 1:15:42
  I need like yeah same. I need like 18.
• 1:15:45
  Months and. I'll be like I'll do another
• 1:15:47
  mini pack I can fucking do because yours is like do you
• 1:15:50
  ever get worried that it's just too big brain for people?
• 1:15:54
  Like someone as a mad guitarist will write a cool Animals As
• 1:15:58
  Leaders style album with your shit.
• 1:16:02
  Who the fuck they're going to get to play it?
• 1:16:06
  A lot of people don't have. You know, a lot of people are
• 1:16:08
  doing the bedroom thing where they're it's one person and it's
• 1:16:12
  sounds like a band, but it's one person you but if they want
• 1:16:15
  money kind of started that you but if they want money.
• 1:16:17
  With AI, they're going to have to go on the road.
• 1:16:19
  That's the thing, AI eventually I had this chat with Mark Morton
• 1:16:23
  from Lamb of God and he had a more of admittedly, he's quite
• 1:16:28
  removed. He deliberately removes himself
• 1:16:30
  from like, technological discourse.
• 1:16:32
  But he was like, but I went to a show last week.
• 1:16:35
  With 50 people. In it and my cousin or something
• 1:16:38
  played and like everyone loved it.
• 1:16:40
  That's never going to go away or he's never going to take that
• 1:16:43
  away. Now my counterpoint to that was
• 1:16:45
  like, yeah, but less people, not that people start.
• 1:16:48
  Doing music. To play to make money.
• 1:16:52
  But like, less people will be musicians because their parents
• 1:16:58
  or whatever be like, well, that's not a job anymore, so you
• 1:17:01
  won't get the support. So I feel like it will go away a
• 1:17:04
  little bit. You can't remove the live
• 1:17:06
  experience. But we're going to get less
• 1:17:07
  musicians. 100% yeah, less real musicians.
• 1:17:11
  We're back. On fucking yeah it's.
• 1:17:12
  Going to it's going to be like it's going to be.
• 1:17:14
  Rich kids that can afford all the gear, that's the fucking,
• 1:17:18
  the drum lessons, that's the that's the thing, the thought
• 1:17:22
  of. A businessman that's never
• 1:17:23
  played an instrument being able to go and write Animals As
• 1:17:28
  Leaders. Style Gent.
• 1:17:31
  I did it. I I got.
• 1:17:33
  It I got Suno this motherfucker 'cause I was using all the shit.
• 1:17:36
  Well, I know. I I wanna see what it's about.
• 1:17:39
  I want it cause like no you're random posting no you're random
• 1:17:42
  me brother tosin be talking. Some shit he'd be.
• 1:17:45
  Like, man, this is gonna take over, blah blah, blah.
• 1:17:48
  So and I'm like, dude machine. Yeah, he, I think.
• 1:17:51
  He likes the idea. You want that one?
• 1:17:53
  I'm a post on camera. Do you want me to?
• 1:17:55
  I'm, I don't know, I'm an out. Him, you guys let him.
• 1:17:57
  Mow no, I'm a I'm against it because I'm like, I don't think
• 1:18:02
  that AAI is simulating like real thought or genuine like I don't
• 1:18:10
  know. It's not it's not a person.
• 1:18:11
  It's like a a massive collection.
• 1:18:15
  It's a soup. That's what ends up happening.
• 1:18:17
  So that's why I'm like be an individual, be be unique, you
• 1:18:21
  know, because that's what AI is going to really struggle with.
• 1:18:24
  But yeah, I did I I I got Suno and I was like played animals as
• 1:18:28
  give me Animals As Leaders an odd time with metric modulation,
• 1:18:32
  but at this BPM or whatever, it can't do the BPM like it won't
• 1:18:37
  if with with that anything like you no.
• 1:18:42
  It's it. Sounded like Archeco.
• 1:18:44
  That's what it sounded like. Everything was in four.
• 1:18:47
  It just. Was giving the illusion of
• 1:18:50
  having some sort of polyrhythmic thing happening but it it wasn't
• 1:18:53
  polyrhythms and it it just couldn't do odd time it maybe
• 1:18:58
  did one it did like a thing in five or something.
• 1:19:00
  So you are AI proof for now. For now, but metal core and
• 1:19:04
  stuff isn't there's so many, there's so many bands on Spotify
• 1:19:07
  right now and I see people actually like gassing it up and
• 1:19:10
  being like, you know, there's I don't really care.
• 1:19:12
  I don't care. This is what I hate about the
• 1:19:14
  most about everything the most about everything in the arts.
• 1:19:18
  The same people that have no problem with people faking their
• 1:19:21
  drum playthroughs. This this mentality is what I
• 1:19:26
  think is wrong with the music industry.
• 1:19:28
  I don't care how the sausage gets made.
• 1:19:30
  Those sorts of people, like, drive me crazy.
• 1:19:34
  Oh, I don't care. I'm going.
• 1:19:35
  To listen to it anyway. Because I like it.
• 1:19:39
  You're not going to have anything left to like, it's
• 1:19:42
  going to go away. They won't be able to train.
• 1:19:45
  And it's going to start training itself.
• 1:19:47
  On itself. And then we're going to get,
• 1:19:50
  like, music. Yeah, I don't know if I could
• 1:19:53
  say. It on that.
• 1:19:55
  Simon Cyborg. Some sort of Cyborg Cyborg cest.
• 1:20:04
  There's going to be, oh fuck, I mean, it said something.
• 1:20:06
  Insane Sueus. Sueus.
• 1:20:09
  That's not necessarily, but it's a whis.
• 1:20:14
  Yeah, we've got to stop saying I.
• 1:20:17
  Think it just gets flagged. Rightly so.
• 1:20:20
  What are you doing? Step computer?
• 1:20:23
  What? What?
• 1:20:24
  Music. Are you making step computer?
• 1:20:26
  I'm just writing some backdoor algorithms.
• 1:20:29
  To to steal your down beats. OK, I got I.
• 1:20:34
  Feel bad like. Why do you feel bad?
• 1:20:35
  Because. You.
• 1:20:36
  You're just. Asking me.
• 1:20:38
  Questions. You know, it's my fucking
• 1:20:39
  podcast. Sorry.
• 1:20:41
  I do what I want. Do you want to ask me a
• 1:20:42
  question? People have been doing that a
• 1:20:44
  lot lately, actually. All I had was the the AI thing.
• 1:20:48
  That's all. And I don't know, I'm working
• 1:20:50
  out, but let's go to the gym. I'm doing.
• 1:20:53
  I'm doing. Min Max training at the moment,
• 1:20:55
  so I'm doing what's that sets of 6 to 8 high intensity.
• 1:21:01
  It's exhausting. It's kind of fun though,
• 1:21:03
  because. I'm in and out in like 45
• 1:21:04
  minutes, but it's like, and I've been doing volume training for
• 1:21:07
  so long where I'm doing three sets of 15 and stuff like that.
• 1:21:11
  And then now I'm doing 2 sets of 6 to 8 with like big warmups.
• 1:21:17
  And it's kind of fun to throw heavy weights around.
• 1:21:19
  Like I'm doing that pull downs that are like 35 lbs heavier
• 1:21:23
  than me. So when I finish the set, it
• 1:21:27
  takes me up with it. It's kind of it's.
• 1:21:30
  Kind of. Awesome.
• 1:21:31
  Like I'm doing my lap pull downs are like 225 now and it's like
• 1:21:36
  once I finish that 8th Rep, I just let go and I just go, yeah,
• 1:21:42
  it's fun. But I see that's what I've.
• 1:21:43
  Been doing I've been my New Year's resolution, other than
• 1:21:45
  getting good at the drums, is to eat more.
• 1:21:47
  I just last year I just didn't eat enough for training.
• 1:21:51
  I've kind of stagnated. It's kind of like an accident.
• 1:21:53
  Are you counting macros? No, I used.
• 1:21:56
  To. I'm airing more on the side this
• 1:21:59
  year where I'd rather just be in a surplus.
• 1:22:03
  I don't really care. Like I only want to gain
• 1:22:07
  something. Yeah, I know naturally my
• 1:22:10
  metabolism. I'm if I'm playing the drums 3
• 1:22:13
  or 4 times a week and I'm going to the gym five times a week,
• 1:22:16
  3000 calories is like, it's not going to cut it.
• 1:22:19
  Yeah, I will. Lose weight.
• 1:22:21
  So I'm trying to dirty bulk. No, I'm trying to do.
• 1:22:26
  Dirty boy around 3-2 but I can. Know pretty much I eat the same
• 1:22:31
  breakfast, lunch, post workout shake.
• 1:22:34
  I know exactly that's on 1600 calories there and then you told
• 1:22:39
  me you're doing big carbs used. To yeah used to do 5. 100 grams
• 1:22:44
  of carbs and I play well, that was when I was counting
• 1:22:47
  calories. I'll play great and I'd fucking
• 1:22:49
  feel great and I'd look more shredded.
• 1:22:51
  I find it hard in America to get clean carbs.
• 1:22:54
  Yeah, like I hate it like bread your.
• 1:22:56
  Bread sucks. Yeah, it does.
• 1:22:59
  I like I quite like bread, but not here.
• 1:23:02
  Not a big fan, it's a bit sugary I should really count shit but
• 1:23:05
  I'm also like kind of enjoying freestyling Dinner.
• 1:23:11
  I'll have pretty autistic like breakfast and lunch, post
• 1:23:14
  workout, meal pre workout like all.
• 1:23:18
  Of that stuff is pretty. Regimented.
• 1:23:19
  And in dinner I'm like, I kind of want to just do whatever.
• 1:23:23
  Yeah, that makes sense. Are you?
• 1:23:25
  Counting. That's the one shred.
• 1:23:26
  It shred. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:27
  What do you want I'm about? Well, I was 2800 which?
• 1:23:31
  Was just. Constantly kind of losing the
• 1:23:34
  weight. Now I'm like around 3000, which
• 1:23:38
  I'm starting to even out a bit. But yeah, I kind of need to get
• 1:23:46
  my food up. That's kind of that's always my
• 1:23:49
  issue. It's drumming.
• 1:23:51
  It's drumming. And you've got to kind of scale
• 1:23:54
  based on that you. Like if you don't play for a day
• 1:23:56
  or two because like, you know, I was at my brother's wedding this
• 1:24:00
  weekend, It's like, yeah, I was much less active.
• 1:24:03
  So I under 8. But like, you know how much did
• 1:24:07
  like it probably evened out. It's really like I really.
• 1:24:11
  Didn't realize how many calories playing drums actually burns and
• 1:24:16
  I don't think has anyone done a real test that isn't like a
• 1:24:19
  Fitbit thing. Do you do that thing with that
• 1:24:21
  Lady? Yep.
• 1:24:22
  Doctor Nadia. What was the?
• 1:24:23
  That's fucking channel rules. How much did you burn in the
• 1:24:26
  show? Do you remember?
• 1:24:27
  Oh shoot, I don't. It heavily depends on how hard
• 1:24:32
  you're going to cause like for the majority of that, I was
• 1:24:36
  like, I'm going to just kind of play the show as is.
• 1:24:39
  I'm not going to go super hard. And there's one tune I did go
• 1:24:43
  super hard on and I was like, this one, I'm going to have it
• 1:24:47
  as a stand. It's kind of the easy one.
• 1:24:49
  I'm going to go super hard and that's the one that I burned the
• 1:24:52
  most calories on. So you deliberately went harder
• 1:24:54
  because it was easier. Right, but somehow I burned the.
• 1:24:58
  Most calories on that one because my heart was like I was
• 1:25:01
  putting the most effort and I was probably hitting the most
• 1:25:03
  decibels. Yeah, that's probably the real
• 1:25:06
  estate way to actually, I don't know.
• 1:25:08
  Yeah, 819 calories. In Montreal, yeah.
• 1:25:12
  And that's like an 86 minute show.
• 1:25:13
  Obviously you're going pretty hard, but I was, I was going
• 1:25:16
  like medium. You're a medium.
• 1:25:17
  So then, and you're practicing. What?
• 1:25:19
  I'm assuming like 3-4 hours a day when you practice.
• 1:25:22
  Right now it's three. Yeah, that's 1000 fucking
• 1:25:24
  calories. Yeah.
• 1:25:25
  We got to eat. I know.
• 1:25:27
  Yeah. So.
• 1:25:28
  Much I definitely play. Better when I'm like fully
• 1:25:31
  fucking carved up, but it's like it's really hard to do cleanly,
• 1:25:35
  so hard to do. Do you do you drink?
• 1:25:37
  I've been drinking like. Coconut water or pineapple juice
• 1:25:41
  like in in the middle of my playing basically like when I do
• 1:25:44
  20 minutes more and then it's like, OK, next subject I'll go
• 1:25:48
  up and eight oz a bit of sugar or.
• 1:25:51
  Basically cleanish. Carbs keep me kind of going
• 1:25:55
  because I almost like to be in a fat.
• 1:25:57
  I just don't like playing on a full stomach or even like
• 1:26:01
  digesting food. So it's, it creates kind of that
• 1:26:05
  vibe of fasting, but you get the carbs and so you get a little
• 1:26:09
  energy burst, but it's, it's like going for a walk after a
• 1:26:11
  meal, you know, So I'm like drinking it and then I'm playing
• 1:26:14
  drums immediately. So I I figured I'm burning it
• 1:26:17
  and using it and, you know, getting.
• 1:26:20
  Injected. Into the muscle.
• 1:26:21
  Via insulin. I do notice when I do.
• 1:26:25
  Take a little step away from a practice and have a little snack
• 1:26:28
  or some carbs. I always come back and I'm much
• 1:26:31
  better, but I don't ever. It's hard.
• 1:26:35
  I would. In an ideal world, I would.
• 1:26:37
  Just be fully stocked at all times that the rate that we
• 1:26:40
  play, like you said, changes. So it's almost impossible to
• 1:26:45
  count the calories on that, the Fitbits and all that shit.
• 1:26:47
  I just don't fucking work or anything.
• 1:26:49
  OK, You know what a blind ranking is?
• 1:26:52
  No, I'm going to say. 10 things. And you're going to rank them
• 1:26:56
  from 1:00 to 10:00, but you don't know what I'm going to say
• 1:26:58
  next. I don't know if I can remember
• 1:27:00
  10 things. No, I'm going to say.
• 1:27:02
  Them one at a time. OK.
• 1:27:03
  And. What they are is Animals As
• 1:27:05
  Leaders songs, right? What we're trying to do is a.
• 1:27:08
  Rank. In order of difficulty.
• 1:27:11
  So number one is the hardest. There's going to be easy #10.
• 1:27:15
  Or only if I. Say the right songs.
• 1:27:16
  And #10 is going to be the song that's very easy to you.
• 1:27:20
  And #1 is a song that's very hard to you.
• 1:27:22
  And I've got 10. I got 10 of your songs, so I'm
• 1:27:25
  going to say 1. And you're going to have to
• 1:27:27
  blind rank where it goes. But you don't.
• 1:27:30
  You don't know what I'm going to say, but you do know what?
• 1:27:34
  I have already said no don't. Even don't even fucking say it.
• 1:27:38
  Don't even say I'm going to go and.
• 1:27:39
  Then at the end you can tell me. If I've missed one, OK, OK,
• 1:27:42
  Arithmophobia from the madness of many. 66.
• 1:27:51
  Not too hard, not 7. Seven.
• 1:27:54
  That's 77. Pretty easy for you.
• 1:27:58
  OK, monomyth from one number one, number one.
• 1:28:03
  That's the hardest one because my feet aren't.
• 1:28:06
  I thought it might be. Dude, dude, look.
• 1:28:10
  Like cleanly and then to modulate that, yeah.
• 1:28:14
  Yeah, that intro when it comes. In bro.
• 1:28:17
  I fucking love that album so much.
• 1:28:18
  So much. But that song, when it comes in
• 1:28:22
  and I'm like, oh. Yeah.
• 1:28:23
  And then it. Goes oh, there, they're fucking
• 1:28:26
  flipped. I thought that might be #1 the
• 1:28:28
  kicks are crazy, the modulation is crazy.
• 1:28:31
  I can't even say this word. Back five thing sicked.
• 1:28:37
  Back five fingers ished. OK fuck 5 fingers ish.
• 1:28:40
  What does that mean? It means of face badly in need
• 1:28:44
  of a slap. So awesome.
• 1:28:48
  That's number two. That's. #2.
• 1:28:49
  Yeah, so good at this. I should have.
• 1:28:51
  Done these in reverse order because I feel like I wrote them
• 1:28:55
  in what I think is hardest. OK, that's number two.
• 1:28:58
  It's got that fucking mental kick drum pattern in it.
• 1:29:01
  Yeah, it's very difficult. I feel like that song.
• 1:29:05
  Maybe that song and maybe. Ecto.
• 1:29:07
  Fucking I mean put it on the list.
• 1:29:09
  What's ecto? Don't even tell me what
• 1:29:11
  ectogensis but I feel like even that that song back.
• 1:29:15
  What's it? Back back Python.
• 1:29:19
  That's at 1:00. 25 BPM and. Ecto is 118 but I feel like
• 1:29:24
  those 2 is like you doing. A sequel to The Woven Web.
• 1:29:28
  The Woven Web. That section.
• 1:29:30
  Yeah, kind of the fucking nuts. Can you like them?
• 1:29:33
  You were like to The Woven Web? Because when Woven Web came out,
• 1:29:39
  everyone shit. That one.
• 1:29:41
  Section everyone shit their fucking pants and it's almost
• 1:29:43
  like those two songs you went to yourself.
• 1:29:46
  Hold my beer, let me just fucking do it again, OK?
• 1:29:50
  Physical education 10/10. I thought it might be the
• 1:29:53
  easiest one. Everyone wants to cover that
• 1:29:55
  one. It's easy.
• 1:29:57
  It's a fucking such a great song.
• 1:29:59
  I love it, Yeah. It's so happy.
• 1:30:01
  Yeah. You know what it reminds me At
• 1:30:05
  first I was. Like Nah, I was.
• 1:30:07
  Like, man, this is like pop. I was like, kind of like, Dang
• 1:30:10
  man when you heard it. Yeah.
• 1:30:13
  Oh, that's interesting. Because that was your first.
• 1:30:15
  Album with the band yeah. Did you.
• 1:30:18
  I've totally flipped now. Yeah, and now you're.
• 1:30:20
  Into it, Yeah. Were those songs?
• 1:30:22
  I never really asked you before. Were those songs already written
• 1:30:25
  when you joined? No.
• 1:30:29
  It depends on the tune that that tune.
• 1:30:31
  He had that main riff. Yeah, and him and have wrote
• 1:30:36
  with Diego Various who was in volumes.
• 1:30:41
  Oh really? Yeah, didn't know that.
• 1:30:43
  RIP Passed No. Fucking way.
• 1:30:45
  Yeah, there. There was other tune.
• 1:30:49
  Yeah, a lot of them. He wrote with Misha.
• 1:30:52
  And then you came in and just put your thang on it.
• 1:30:54
  Yeah, nice. And in that one you were.
• 1:30:56
  Like this is too. Poppy, at the time, did you have
• 1:30:59
  that sort of. I'm the new guy.
• 1:31:00
  I can't really speak up. Was that like in your head that
• 1:31:02
  was too Poppy? Or did you come and go?
• 1:31:04
  This is too Poppy. Yeah, of course I said that.
• 1:31:06
  I. Just we're the same, you and I.
• 1:31:10
  Just joined the band. I joined the band once and fired
• 1:31:12
  their manager immediately because their manager had hired
• 1:31:16
  me to join the band a session work and he overpaid the fuck
• 1:31:20
  out of me and then when I joined the band was like I gave him the
• 1:31:24
  bill for the tours and they were like.
• 1:31:27
  This is really big and. I was like, yeah, your manager.
• 1:31:29
  OK, Did. And then we're like, oh fuck, I
• 1:31:31
  don't know if we can pay this. And I was like, well, I'd
• 1:31:34
  probably join the band if you wanted me to.
• 1:31:36
  And I'll give you, you know, pay me half of it and I'll just join
• 1:31:38
  the band. I'll be in the band from now on.
• 1:31:40
  But the first thing we've got to do is fire that manager because
• 1:31:42
  you shouldn't have fucking paid me this much.
• 1:31:43
  I joined the band and fight the manager immediately.
• 1:31:46
  But paying myself. Legendary business.
• 1:31:50
  Call me fucking dragon. Dragon Tank.
• 1:31:53
  That's Shark Tank and Dragon's Den.
• 1:31:54
  OK Wave and Web 6 so 6 at the. Time.
• 1:31:59
  What was it? It was I.
• 1:32:02
  Think the hardest? One.
• 1:32:03
  Yeah, at the time it was. The hardest one, that kick drop
• 1:32:05
  pattern is it's nuts. Iconic.
• 1:32:07
  Iconic. That was Tosin.
• 1:32:09
  Tosin. He pieced it together with
• 1:32:12
  Misha. Apparently Misha was like.
• 1:32:14
  And then you had to learn it. Yeah.
• 1:32:17
  Oh, that sucks. In my head, I was.
• 1:32:19
  Like, OK, maybe this was some pattern that you were working
• 1:32:21
  on, You already knew and Oh no, it's always worse the other way
• 1:32:25
  around. It's better for you.
• 1:32:27
  I wouldn't have come up with it though that I'd.
• 1:32:29
  I'd, I don't know, my head wasn't there, then there's no
• 1:32:33
  way I could come up with that. Yeah.
• 1:32:35
  Is it cool to look back? And be like, look at where you
• 1:32:37
  were, which is now to you, you know, probably, I assume quite
• 1:32:44
  primitive to where you are now. Yeah, it's like for.
• 1:32:48
  Instance Wolfram Webber. Is is easy?
• 1:32:50
  Now that's an easy tune to play. And like any night, anytime I
• 1:32:55
  can, I can play that kit. But there is a of the first few
• 1:32:58
  tours, it was like, dude, this is I like I've got to do all
• 1:33:01
  this work to be able to play this thing every night.
• 1:33:04
  It's like I've got it's like work being like practice
• 1:33:07
  backstage. Yeah.
• 1:33:08
  Yeah, more have the nice lavish warm.
• 1:33:10
  Up and stay stay in shape on tour you know still have a
• 1:33:14
  lavish warm up at. The in the beginning of the
• 1:33:17
  tour. But then it's like, yeah, it's
• 1:33:20
  just there. There's a certain point where
• 1:33:21
  you get tired and where where it's sometimes going on stage
• 1:33:26
  like fresh is like sick because all your energy, everything
• 1:33:32
  you're like you can go, you can just dump energy dump.
• 1:33:38
  I like doing that. The problem of other minds from.
• 1:33:41
  Parisia 99. Yeah.
• 1:33:45
  OK, it's got that. Really the reason I put that in
• 1:33:49
  there is because it's very dynamic.
• 1:33:51
  It's got that sort of fucking. That's my stuff that I like,
• 1:33:54
  this soft stuff. Man, and then sometimes loud and
• 1:33:57
  but mostly soft, you know, you sound like Michael Jackson and.
• 1:34:01
  Mike typing. You.
• 1:34:03
  Sound like Mike. Jackson it's got that Tom Stabby
• 1:34:07
  thing. That's what I put that in there.
• 1:34:08
  Actually, maybe it's on a. Stack.
• 1:34:13
  And. That thing that's easy.
• 1:34:16
  Yeah, pop that on a nine. OK, Gordian.
• 1:34:20
  Naughty from the joy of motion. That would be 5. 5 Is that just
• 1:34:26
  you've? Only got 5.
• 1:34:27
  Left you can't swap anything. Has to be 5, yeah, no.
• 1:34:31
  I've got three and four, Yeah. What's difficult about that?
• 1:34:34
  Because 5. Is quite high the stamina for
• 1:34:38
  some. Reason I I like to go hard on
• 1:34:40
  that one and the let there's a lot of left hand a real swinging
• 1:34:45
  section in it in the middle as. Well, that is difficult the.
• 1:34:50
  Double bass, for some reason that gets a little wily
• 1:34:57
  sometimes live. And so it's like, yeah, my
• 1:35:01
  double bass, like the I'm I'm hitting crashes on.
• 1:35:08
  Like where the crashes are in relation.
• 1:35:10
  To the kicks. Doesn't always line up right and
• 1:35:12
  left and stuff and I don't know. Yeah, deceptively tricky.
• 1:35:17
  Tooth and claw Parasia 88 Easy. Yeah.
• 1:35:22
  Fast as fuck, boy. There's.
• 1:35:24
  Some. Speedy little fills in that one.
• 1:35:27
  That was an easy 8. That's our first.
• 1:35:29
  Tune for a reason on. Like all sets, yeah, it's a nice
• 1:35:33
  warm up. You find the the unison.
• 1:35:36
  Kicking hands thing is a good warm up because it's got some of
• 1:35:38
  that. Been doing more and more of
• 1:35:40
  that, yeah. Started in.
• 1:35:42
  I haven't even got that on the list.
• 1:35:43
  But I think Cascades got a lot of that in it, isn't it where
• 1:35:47
  you're going like this and the hands follow the feet, Cascade
• 1:35:49
  got that. I don't know some of that.
• 1:35:50
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And builds fair some.
• 1:35:53
  Real. Weakness of mine doing that.
• 1:35:55
  Without it's time in yeah, sometimes accidentally comes out
• 1:35:59
  like a split linear though. And I'm like, yeah, I meant to
• 1:36:02
  do that, Matt. Matt Greiner is really good at
• 1:36:04
  that. His.
• 1:36:05
  Unisons are like unison. It's like quantized.
• 1:36:08
  He's a. Fucking.
• 1:36:09
  Freak. He does that a lot.
• 1:36:11
  Ectogenesis. Do you want to?
• 1:36:13
  Do you want? To re up on what you've got
• 1:36:14
  left, you've got three, you've got four and I've got you've.
• 1:36:20
  Got 3 and 4. Left ecto would be 3.
• 1:36:25
  Ecto is going. 3. Yeah.
• 1:36:27
  Anything particularly well the kick?
• 1:36:35
  Going from Yeah 6 triplets to six teams.
• 1:36:41
  Dotted 4 well triplets. Dotted fours into so it's Digga,
• 1:36:45
  Digga, Digga, Digga, Digga into Digga Digga into 30 seconds is
• 1:36:50
  like that's hard. And then I do a lot of like
• 1:36:52
  improvised stack stuff. There's a solo in there the the
• 1:36:55
  solos at 118 is the. Solo different.
• 1:36:58
  Every night. Oh yeah.
• 1:37:00
  It's so cool. So it's like I got mostly it's
• 1:37:02
  30. Seconds because it's it's all
• 1:37:05
  16th pattern. So basically I got to go 30
• 1:37:07
  seconds and so that's pretty burning to improvise over that
• 1:37:12
  and doing like gospel chops type stuff.
• 1:37:13
  If I did double bass, it'd be easy.
• 1:37:17
  But yeah, there's a lot of improvised like stack.
• 1:37:22
  Like I don't know, just little things that so I'm.
• 1:37:24
  Pretty much on like mentally pretty hard that whole tune.
• 1:37:29
  Interesting. OK, last one red miso.
• 1:37:31
  Number four, yeah #4 is it? Dude, I.
• 1:37:34
  Would. I think I would.
• 1:37:35
  Stick with. Stick with a ranking, yeah?
• 1:37:38
  Maybe switch? Ecto and miso because I don't
• 1:37:44
  know, no. Ectos harder.
• 1:37:46
  Red miso. It's just that.
• 1:37:50
  That gets you got the blast beat with accents.
• 1:37:54
  Throughout it as well. Sounds like maybe you're doing
• 1:37:58
  sevens as a blast, but I think it's the left.
• 1:38:03
  Hand accents there. You can only really notice that.
• 1:38:07
  On the live video. It's triplets.
• 1:38:08
  Is it triplets? It's triplets.
• 1:38:10
  Where's? The accent.
• 1:38:13
  On the. Record.
• 1:38:15
  Get it? Get.
• 1:38:17
  It get it get. It get it get it get it get it
• 1:38:19
  get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it get it
• 1:38:22
  get it get it get it so it's groups of four and it's.
• 1:38:26
  Starting on like probably. What's the end of 1?
• 1:38:31
  The accents. Of the group before.
• 1:38:33
  Because you accented. It and it's only visible in the
• 1:38:36
  live video in one of your minor playthroughs of it in that blast
• 1:38:40
  beat, there's accents on the left hand yeah on the record you
• 1:38:43
  kind of got fucked by it I don't know if you just didn't do it
• 1:38:46
  because they replaced shit they they.
• 1:38:48
  Fucking they want to do that so badly, or they just need to
• 1:38:52
  because they don't know how to mix real drums properly.
• 1:38:55
  They don't understand what you were trying to do.
• 1:38:58
  Probably just thought it was like a highest hitting these
• 1:39:00
  ones a little bit lighter. Let's just flatten it out.
• 1:39:03
  But on the on the playthrough that you do of it, you you do do
• 1:39:06
  an accent through the left-handed.
• 1:39:07
  It's bloody gorgeous. I do remember you saying maybe
• 1:39:14
  it was you. Maybe.
• 1:39:15
  Maybe it was actually Nolly someone's unhappy with the Joy
• 1:39:20
  of Motion mix. Yeah, I think Nollie.
• 1:39:23
  Could he thinks he could do it better now.
• 1:39:26
  Do you? That's the feeling he has.
• 1:39:29
  Yes. I think he he could make it more
• 1:39:32
  natural. It's not that natural, it
• 1:39:34
  sounds. Pretty natural.
• 1:39:36
  It's not. It's just cleverly, cleverly
• 1:39:38
  done. I think maybe it's the dryness
• 1:39:40
  of your cymbals that makes it sound like, OK, this is
• 1:39:43
  happening right now. My truly natural drum sound.
• 1:39:45
  Is on the Victoria stuff OK and? Then and is that just through
• 1:39:51
  choice or are you mixing it? Or is no it's just because I.
• 1:39:56
  Don't want samples? Parisia's got some sampling.
• 1:39:58
  And with animals. They really like.
• 1:40:01
  Are like they will basically go to whatever lengths to make that
• 1:40:07
  not so OK, I do see the point. Though because I I assuming
• 1:40:14
  Madison Many has less samples than Parisia.
• 1:40:17
  Yes, OK, I prefer it has zero samples.
• 1:40:21
  Madison. Madison, Man.
• 1:40:22
  And you prefer that? Mix to Parisia, the drums sound
• 1:40:26
  more natural. The drum mix could have been
• 1:40:29
  better as a listener. And this is, you know, and.
• 1:40:33
  This is me I'm. I'm going in on, I'm coming into
• 1:40:36
  sample club a little bit. Yeah, I do.
• 1:40:40
  Love the way Parisia. Just slaps.
• 1:40:42
  Like I don't care if there's some sounds in there like the
• 1:40:44
  the mix fucking. It hits you in the.
• 1:40:48
  Fucking face. Yeah, but I understand as an
• 1:40:51
  artist, you're like, you flattened out my fucking
• 1:40:53
  accents, motherfucker, and put samples on it, which is like.
• 1:40:57
  OK, now you know. So there's a level of like in
• 1:41:03
  the playthroughs you can probably hear which there wasn't
• 1:41:08
  a ton of time spent on those mixes, like the the mixes from
• 1:41:11
  Parisia, it took like nine months or something like that,
• 1:41:16
  maybe even a year. The mix on the play throughs is
• 1:41:19
  fucking crazy. Yeah, that if we spent that
• 1:41:21
  much. Time on real drums without
• 1:41:24
  samples and like a crazy amount of automation and compression.
• 1:41:28
  I think. I think we could get close to
• 1:41:30
  that. But yeah, All in all, I think
• 1:41:33
  Prez is probably right now sitting at the best mix.
• 1:41:35
  Yeah. OK, what's next?
• 1:41:38
  Are you doing another album? It's been 4 years, bro.
• 1:41:40
  Give me another one. It's been five years.
• 1:41:42
  Yeah, it's been four years. Came out early. 2022 because I
• 1:41:46
  remember when it came out same sort of.
• 1:41:50
  Beginning of the year. As Immutable Meshuga I fucking,
• 1:41:55
  they're the only two albums I listen to.
• 1:41:56
  I reckon all of 2022. Just those two.
• 1:42:00
  Speaking of fucking mixes, have you heard the Ream?
• 1:42:05
  I hate? I hate a remaster normally.
• 1:42:11
  I don't mind a. Remix if something really needed
• 1:42:13
  a remix. Have you heard the remastered
• 1:42:15
  Immutable My Sugar? No, they remastered it like a
• 1:42:18
  fucking year. After it came.
• 1:42:19
  Out because they were unhappy about it.
• 1:42:22
  I started to it started to race. Yeah.
• 1:42:25
  Fucking love it. OK, so what's?
• 1:42:27
  Next, are you how, how much has been written?
• 1:42:30
  Can you tell me? Probably 5 sixteens, but
• 1:42:33
  they're. Not they're not fully fleshed
• 1:42:35
  out, they're like they're demos, but like pretty much we have the
• 1:42:41
  parts. It's just a matter of finessing
• 1:42:43
  the arrangements and you know, is there a time limit on it or
• 1:42:46
  you just fucking? Putting it out when you put it
• 1:42:48
  out. No, we don't.
• 1:42:50
  We don't like to. Put a time limit on it.
• 1:42:52
  But that that it does. I think there's a point where
• 1:42:55
  Tosin really doesn't want to put a time limit on it, But I I
• 1:42:58
  think there's a level we get to where it's like, OK, we got as
• 1:43:02
  let's start grinding. Let's start because four year,
• 1:43:05
  every four years if you release it.
• 1:43:06
  This year it'd be five years. If it's next year, obviously
• 1:43:09
  your music is slightly harder than the average album to make.
• 1:43:13
  Yeah, it'll probably be the end of this.
• 1:43:15
  Year, if we're lucky, but probably, probably, probably
• 1:43:19
  next year. Five years between albums.
• 1:43:21
  Yeah, just. Because I don't know.
• 1:43:24
  Yeah, we've got a tour in all of April and May.
• 1:43:26
  I'm going to write in February and March, April and May.
• 1:43:30
  Where's that? It's all.
• 1:43:31
  All over the US with Satchbi. Oh fuck you.
• 1:43:33
  Are you doing Nashville? Yep.
• 1:43:36
  Fuck yeah. I can't fucking wait.
• 1:43:40
  That's awesome. Yeah, that'll be fun.
• 1:43:43
  I'm stoked because. It's been so long since we've
• 1:43:46
  done a Nashville show. I'm like, yes, we got to play
• 1:43:48
  Nashville. Is it Brooklyn Ball?
• 1:43:49
  Where is it? I didn't.
• 1:43:51
  Even know where you where you guys play in the US, you don't
• 1:43:53
  know. I don't know either.
• 1:43:55
  You just want to do. The fucking thing.
• 1:43:57
  I'd love to get toasting in here.
• 1:43:59
  Maybe I'll hit him up. Yeah, I don't know if he does.
• 1:44:02
  Extracurricular. Things I want to talk to him
• 1:44:04
  about that fucking guitar. I don't.
• 1:44:06
  Yeah, if he's if. He's that fucking.
• 1:44:09
  I've been there. This 10.
• 1:44:10
  Yeah, they they did him dirty. I couldn't believe it.
• 1:44:14
  I saw it yesterday. It's egregious, It's so.
• 1:44:17
  So clearly stolen that design. You know what sucks the most
• 1:44:21
  about it? I mean.
• 1:44:22
  Obviously the fucking intellectual theft sucks the
• 1:44:25
  most about it, but like the fact they've obviously.
• 1:44:30
  Given it to 1,000,000. Creators who just make guitar
• 1:44:34
  videos online and like I, I get it, you've got to grind like,
• 1:44:37
  and right now I don't have a band.
• 1:44:38
  I'm a fucking content guy but like and the creators are like.
• 1:44:43
  Ignoring. The fact that this is blatant
• 1:44:46
  theft and they're like, Ibanez just released his new guitar.
• 1:44:50
  It's perfect for fucking progressive music when they
• 1:44:52
  really should be using their platform to go.
• 1:44:54
  Ibanez released this guitar. It sucks.
• 1:44:57
  They stole the fucking design from Tosi.
• 1:45:00
  And like, obviously you can't speak for him, but that shit's
• 1:45:03
  crazy. Yeah, it's, I think it's.
• 1:45:07
  Wild because there's. Copyrights you can have on head.
• 1:45:12
  Stocks. But not on on the body and.
• 1:45:17
  So. I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:45:19
  What it's going? To come down to, but there's
• 1:45:21
  there's obviously more to the the theft than just that.
• 1:45:25
  But do you know what it reminds me of?
• 1:45:27
  What I'm going to know What? Your thoughts are on this
• 1:45:29
  without throwing any of your companies under the bus because
• 1:45:31
  it would also throw mine under the bus, the clap stack, Yeah,
• 1:45:35
  that's a tough one. Because well, not really for me.
• 1:45:38
  I think people have been using stacks forever, but the specific
• 1:45:42
  curved 1. The specific curved one, yeah.
• 1:45:45
  To me that's the same as the toasting thing.
• 1:45:47
  And or like I was with minor when they copied it and I said I
• 1:45:50
  think this sucks. It's a very particular process.
• 1:45:53
  Yeah, it's like. Minor copied it.
• 1:45:56
  Yeah, it's fucking Trevor's thing.
• 1:45:59
  But what can you do other than do you know what I actually did?
• 1:46:03
  The use of the drumsticks in a pentagram.
• 1:46:06
  Guess who owns the copyright You.
• 1:46:10
  Nice. I did it ages ago.
• 1:46:12
  I did it when. When some guy actually started a
• 1:46:14
  podcast and he also had drumsticks and a pentagram and I
• 1:46:17
  hit him up on the side as that bro, you can't do it as a big
• 1:46:20
  drama. I was like.
• 1:46:21
  Bro, you can't. Be doing that.
• 1:46:22
  I've already got my fucking Dick and he was like Oh my bad.
• 1:46:25
  And he changed it, which was fine, but like at that moment I
• 1:46:28
  was like it's going to be a matter of mere years before
• 1:46:33
  there's like a metal line from some company symbols, sticks,
• 1:46:37
  whatever, and they've got those drumsticks as a pentagram.
• 1:46:39
  Oh, there ain't because the minute it happens I'm going to
• 1:46:43
  go I'm going to wait. I planned it out.
• 1:46:45
  Wait, yeah, wait, so you can. Cash a cheque.
• 1:46:48
  I'm going to. Go.
• 1:46:49
  I'm going to wait. I'll let them sell.
• 1:46:50
  Loads stick bags, a bunch of shit and I'm going to.
• 1:46:57
  Go. Oh yeah, kind of.
• 1:46:59
  Notice you're using my. Intellectual copyright.
• 1:47:02
  What do you want to do is looks like you sold a bunch and I'm
• 1:47:06
  going to fucking I don't think. It might not happen.
• 1:47:11
  But you got to protect your shit as much as you can.
• 1:47:14
  Yeah, it's, it's it's most. Likely going to happen.
• 1:47:17
  I hope so. Oh, I fucking.
• 1:47:19
  Hope so. You've got a lot of signature
• 1:47:21
  stuff. We've got symbols, some.
• 1:47:24
  Symbols. Some sticks.
• 1:47:25
  You got sticks as well, haven't you?
• 1:47:28
  Yeah, the symbols it's. It's more like, you know,
• 1:47:33
  there's certain combinations of processes that maybe companies
• 1:47:40
  could steal or something like the like my China has
• 1:47:42
  sandblasting and, and holes in it, you know, and maybe that's
• 1:47:46
  like, I don't. Know the the holes though.
• 1:47:51
  Sabian kind of did it first. Yeah.
• 1:47:53
  Yeah, that's actually that's true.
• 1:47:55
  That's another thing I hate, but yeah.
• 1:47:58
  I heard a. Rumour.
• 1:47:59
  Is it enough to Maybe you could put this?
• 1:48:02
  To bed for me, I was. Just segueing into signature
• 1:48:05
  products, we don't have to talk about like protecting it.
• 1:48:08
  Having said that though, I heard a rumour and I don't know if
• 1:48:10
  it's true. I heard a rumour that Benny.
• 1:48:13
  Greb. Patented.
• 1:48:16
  Or he came up with the. Idea for sandblasting?
• 1:48:20
  So he gets a royalty on other people's sandblasted symbols?
• 1:48:25
  Is that bullshit or is that true?
• 1:48:26
  Doesn't sound like. Bullshit.
• 1:48:28
  Is it true? I don't know.
• 1:48:31
  But his was the. 1st that I recall there was a rumour.
• 1:48:37
  I don't know how I heard that. But I I heard a rumour that they
• 1:48:43
  have to pay him every time a sandblasted.
• 1:48:46
  Symbol is made. Really sold.
• 1:48:48
  Which if true you got to think of a few things here though.
• 1:48:52
  I'm a fucking Dick head and I might made that up but I don't
• 1:48:55
  think I made it up. Why would I make up such a
• 1:48:56
  specific thing? Who knows.
• 1:48:58
  But like I'm sure I heard that from some, not from him either
• 1:49:01
  from someone else. It makes total sense.
• 1:49:03
  Fucking awesome. If it is good for him.
• 1:49:06
  Yeah, and he's set. Yeah.
• 1:49:08
  I wish I could do something. Smart like that.
• 1:49:12
  Have you got any signature products?
• 1:49:13
  That you haven't made yet. That you would like to?
• 1:49:17
  Nope. Nothing.
• 1:49:19
  Nothing. Well, maybe like a.
• 1:49:21
  There's a a prototype or two that I'm working on.
• 1:49:25
  More symbols, but you mean. I don't know, yeah.
• 1:49:27
  I've got a buddy who's like, dude, you got to come up with
• 1:49:29
  some sort of like product or something.
• 1:49:32
  And I'm like, I don't know, I don't want to come up with some
• 1:49:35
  snare thing you put on your snare to for without solving a
• 1:49:38
  problem. It's not, Yeah.
• 1:49:39
  If it's not like necessary. Respectfully, your product is
• 1:49:42
  your fucking. Amazing online lessons and
• 1:49:46
  you're playing? Yeah, that's about as creative
• 1:49:50
  as I get. For my most things.
• 1:49:53
  Yeah, are kind of the same I. Would make more symbols.
• 1:49:56
  There's definitely things missing from line UPS that I'd
• 1:49:59
  like to do but I haven't been asked to do another one even I
• 1:50:03
  sold fucking shit loads but like I think it's cool.
• 1:50:07
  Trying to explain. I don't know how you feel about
• 1:50:10
  it, but like once you get a signature product and you start
• 1:50:14
  getting paid to play a brand. But no.
• 1:50:18
  One gets paid to play a brand unless they have a serious
• 1:50:20
  product that's like, I don't know about you, but for me, that
• 1:50:23
  was like, oh, I fucking made it. That was like a immediate
• 1:50:26
  moment. Here's your check.
• 1:50:29
  Yeah. What the fuck?
• 1:50:30
  Yeah, it's more than Spotify. 'S ever paid me?
• 1:50:33
  Yeah, it's like, oh, I achieved. The dream, which is, you know,
• 1:50:37
  I'm no longer like a starving musician, slightly less starving
• 1:50:42
  because I have to eat 3. 1500 calories a day, so I'm always
• 1:50:45
  starving. Grocery money, I think.
• 1:50:48
  Yeah, it's awesome. I think more there's.
• 1:50:50
  Obviously a limit to it, but it is nice to get fucking played.
• 1:50:53
  Paid to play the drums for once. Yeah, it's a sell with the
• 1:50:56
  drums, I guess. It kind of.
• 1:50:57
  Carves out a a sustainable. Route for us or long term, you
• 1:51:03
  know, and I think it's important like.
• 1:51:05
  Yourself and me, like we're not just making shit to sell.
• 1:51:09
  Like you said, your friend said you've got to come up with a
• 1:51:11
  product and you're basically the same as me.
• 1:51:14
  Like if it's not solving a problem that I have, I don't
• 1:51:16
  care. I might make a quick buck, but
• 1:51:19
  it's like it doesn't need to be another thing, correct?
• 1:51:21
  Yeah, the one I will say. I was surprised.
• 1:51:24
  That it's the fucking rock. Rock locks.
• 1:51:27
  So nice rock locks. They're like another.
• 1:51:31
  Fucking. Log lock, but they're like.
• 1:51:36
  Hemisphere. Shaped and they fucking.
• 1:51:39
  Work better than all of the other ones.
• 1:51:41
  And you would think that that was an oversaturated market.
• 1:51:44
  And then guy just comes out with like, oh, you try these ones,
• 1:51:48
  they're fucking way better. Way better because all of the
• 1:51:51
  other ones. They have their pitfalls.
• 1:51:53
  It's like a Swedish fish looking.
• 1:51:55
  Yeah, which they're cool, but on certain.
• 1:51:58
  Lugs, but I've seen them break. They break pretty.
• 1:52:01
  Often and. Then.
• 1:52:02
  You need. Some certain lugs, you need an
• 1:52:05
  elastic band to put them on. I'm not doing that.
• 1:52:08
  No, yeah, I'm not doing that. And then the traditional square
• 1:52:13
  ones, those are garbage. Those are garbage.
• 1:52:15
  And. Then other companies.
• 1:52:16
  Made ones where that you could still tune through Thomas got
• 1:52:20
  ones did you know they're kind of like.
• 1:52:25
  They've got a few. Little teeth, but they're the
• 1:52:28
  teeth come loose, yeah. Love you guys.
• 1:52:31
  Thanks for all the drums. Not.
• 1:52:35
  The best product? Yeah, not terrible.
• 1:52:37
  They'll probably fix it. Remember their their quick
• 1:52:39
  release things were shit and then they fixed them and now
• 1:52:41
  they're good. Oh yeah, no, I guess I I left
• 1:52:44
  before they. Fixed that.
• 1:52:45
  But I told them, yeah, I was like, this is I don't know why
• 1:52:48
  this is on the advanced stands, because this is like, yeah, they
• 1:52:51
  fixed them. You have to be a jazz.
• 1:52:54
  Guy. Yeah, Speaking of £95 jazz.
• 1:52:57
  Guy, do you ever feel? Locked in.
• 1:52:59
  Something as specific as a stick, like you made a signature
• 1:53:03
  stick. Do you ever feel locked by that?
• 1:53:06
  You can't. Kind of.
• 1:53:07
  You can't. I want to play bigger sticks.
• 1:53:09
  Can't. Well fucking 20 grand for the
• 1:53:11
  fucking bit machine to make them so you're fucked.
• 1:53:14
  No, it's not that I. Want.
• 1:53:17
  It's that I've gotten so used to them and they're like almost an
• 1:53:21
  extension of me at this point that using other sticks feels
• 1:53:27
  weird. I mean, that's good.
• 1:53:28
  And you don't want to change, you know?
• 1:53:30
  But my my example is like I think I want to change stick
• 1:53:32
  size and if I had a signature stick I couldn't do that like.
• 1:53:38
  I now I'm. Not playing because I play the
• 1:53:40
  rocks big beefy motherfuckers and now I'm like not playing
• 1:53:44
  live in like relatively caveman. Metal core.
• 1:53:49
  Shit, I'm like I could use a little less.
• 1:53:52
  Remember the finesse I had? With A5.
• 1:53:54
  B And I'm like, I could go back to it like a, maybe a longer 5B
• 1:53:59
  Yeah, 5B is still pretty beefy. This.
• 1:54:02
  That's the. Thinnest I can go I can't.
• 1:54:05
  I just can't hold a stick lighter than that.
• 1:54:06
  I don't know why I just can't do it.
• 1:54:08
  I get blisters and shit. I need need big ones rocks.
• 1:54:12
  I don't get any blisters. Is the weight also part of it?
• 1:54:14
  That is variable to the to the extent you can get a big stick,
• 1:54:18
  but like picked super light I pick the heavy ones.
• 1:54:22
  Because they break less, I think.
• 1:54:24
  I think I want to fuck around with a thinner stick.
• 1:54:29
  But I've. Got like 40. 8 pairs of rocks.
• 1:54:31
  Left so I'll go through those you'll have.
• 1:54:34
  Them. What do you mean you'll?
• 1:54:36
  You don't have to. Go through them first.
• 1:54:38
  You'll just have them. Yeah, but I've just asked for
• 1:54:41
  those and I'm. Going to phone them and go and
• 1:54:43
  can I get 100 pairs of five bees and they're going to go we just
• 1:54:46
  gave you fucking 48 pairs of rocks you're going to have to
• 1:54:50
  pay for these ones we ask for 50 you know I'd.
• 1:54:54
  Be like, sorry but I'm. Going through a.
• 1:54:56
  Creative. I got AI, got a work around,
• 1:54:58
  I've got a work. Around which was Monster doing
• 1:55:01
  something for the podcast to do for giveaways, and they're like,
• 1:55:05
  they're black and they're branded with a monster and the
• 1:55:07
  downbeat logo, but I got them in 5D extended so I can also
• 1:55:12
  fucking use them. Yeah, someone else is paying.
• 1:55:15
  You know. Maybe I'll like him.
• 1:55:18
  The black shit's going to go all over my symbols, but going to
• 1:55:21
  look cool, going to look fucking sick.
• 1:55:24
  You're on online lessons even with.
• 1:55:25
  My dog shit. Technique have helped me so
• 1:55:28
  fucking much. What I want to know without you
• 1:55:31
  giving me any figures like what? I really do respect about you,
• 1:55:39
  other than as a friend, as a musician, You're very, very fair
• 1:55:46
  with the finances of things. I asked you for that lesson.
• 1:55:52
  I thought your rate was very, if not too reasonable to the point
• 1:55:57
  where I was willing. To pay.
• 1:55:58
  Double for your lesson. And then I thought, well, I want
• 1:56:01
  to give this guy more, so let you know, let me film it.
• 1:56:04
  And I like people feeling like that.
• 1:56:06
  I like people feeling like they. Got more value than they paid
• 1:56:09
  for, so you're with your online. Lessons and also we went over an
• 1:56:13
  hour like fucking bargain. But like your online lessons, I
• 1:56:18
  think you're the only person to price them at a price.
• 1:56:23
  Where I went, that's the right price.
• 1:56:26
  There's people selling these courses and they're fucking like
• 1:56:28
  a grand and like, yes, obviously your your time and your craft.
• 1:56:35
  And your. Knowledge is worth a certain
• 1:56:36
  amount of money, but there is a fucking limit.
• 1:56:38
  Yeah, that's that's crazy. They even.
• 1:56:41
  Spend even like $100 on a master class or something that's like,
• 1:56:46
  you know, it's worth it. I don't.
• 1:56:49
  Part of it, it's enough people. Exactly.
• 1:56:51
  That's but that's. Part of it too is.
• 1:56:53
  You got to find a price point just from a, you know,
• 1:56:56
  utilitarian perspective, like of moving more.
• 1:57:01
  But it's also a thing where it's like, you know, I don't want to
• 1:57:03
  exclude people and I already do like at the even reasonably
• 1:57:07
  placed, there's people in third world countries that are like,
• 1:57:10
  man, like I wish your stuff wasn't expensive or wouldn't.
• 1:57:14
  And I'm like, dude, this is like they're cheap, but for for them
• 1:57:17
  it's like, it's expensive. So what I wanted to ask was.
• 1:57:22
  Because the production quality is fucking incredible with them
• 1:57:24
  as well. It's shot pro, studio pro
• 1:57:27
  cameras, pro everything. It must have taken a while to
• 1:57:30
  recoup how much you put into it. It depends on the.
• 1:57:35
  How big they are? OK, so mastering time.
• 1:57:39
  Mastering. Time 3 was.
• 1:57:41
  The that was very expensive. It that took a minute to recoup,
• 1:57:47
  but that's it's also at a higher price point for a reason, you
• 1:57:50
  know, because it costs more to make it costs more to.
• 1:57:53
  Make but it. Also costs more.
• 1:57:54
  To get those files to people 'cause it's like 13 gigs of a
• 1:57:59
  video and then you've got. A I've got I get charged on
• 1:58:02
  bandwidth so. Yeah, if I sell a ton of those
• 1:58:06
  13 gigs, you know, and then somebody's downloads aren't
• 1:58:11
  working right and they end up going through 20 gigs of my
• 1:58:15
  bandwidth or they want to do multiples or whatever.
• 1:58:17
  You can. You can download it like 5
• 1:58:19
  times. Can't you?
• 1:58:20
  Yeah. So if someone downloads the
• 1:58:22
  whole pack twice, it's costing you more money?
• 1:58:25
  It is, right? That sucks.
• 1:58:27
  So. Bad.
• 1:58:27
  Well to say. I have like a.
• 1:58:29
  Quota and if I surpass that quota, that that's kind of,
• 1:58:32
  that's how it works. But Nah, man, it's, it's, it's a
• 1:58:36
  good passive income for me. And yeah, I, I also look at it
• 1:58:41
  as like a, it's a catalog too for me as to be like, these are
• 1:58:45
  kind of pillars of what I'm working on and have have built
• 1:58:50
  my foundation on. And obviously I'm on to some,
• 1:58:54
  some nutty stuff, but like I still go back to to those I'm
• 1:58:58
  I'm doing that right. Now actually to get back in.
• 1:59:00
  Shape Are you going back to mastering time?
• 1:59:03
  Or Yep, some some sheets out of. Mastering time one and two,
• 1:59:07
  yeah, there's like grooves that I'll have going doomed, get on
• 1:59:11
  doomed, get on doomed like a Lenny White groove and then all
• 1:59:14
  sorts of groupings in the right hand or like universal function.
• 1:59:19
  I'm like going through those patterns with certain.
• 1:59:21
  Is that a different pack or is that mastering time 1?
• 1:59:24
  That's a different pack. That's a different pack.
• 1:59:25
  Fuck, I bought. It's a coordination.
• 1:59:27
  I got it all, brother. Yeah.
• 1:59:29
  All that shit. And I it really, I don't know
• 1:59:32
  the way you present it. I don't want to fucking suck
• 1:59:35
  your fucking arm wrestling Dick too much, but like the way you
• 1:59:38
  present it from that fucking such a.
• 1:59:42
  Big brain guy. Is like it is presented.
• 1:59:46
  In a way that anyone can. Get anything from it.
• 1:59:48
  And I don't think since obviously there's always been
• 1:59:52
  the great books, there's always been fucking new breed, all that
• 1:59:55
  stuff like, but in terms of like grabbing me, I don't think
• 2:00:00
  there's been another one, but. Between.
• 2:00:03
  Benny's language of drumming. DVD, which I fucking loved.
• 2:00:06
  That's great, Yeah. And then yours.
• 2:00:08
  I was like, I didn't. Really, in between any of those,
• 2:00:11
  I felt like I didn't really learn anything on the drums
• 2:00:13
  because there wasn't another. Like, OK, this shit can get as
• 2:00:16
  complex as you want, but here it is and here's what I do all the
• 2:00:19
  time and it comes off honestly. It's an ad for your shit now,
• 2:00:23
  but it comes off like, I don't know, honest.
• 2:00:25
  Like when you're talking about this is the shit that I did to
• 2:00:28
  get good and then you do it, you can kind of see it in my
• 2:00:31
  playing. Yeah, which is the.
• 2:00:32
  Same with Benny's thing. It was like this.
• 2:00:33
  Is the thing that I used to get good and then I did it all and I
• 2:00:37
  was like, oh, I got good. Now it ends up, yeah, not
• 2:00:40
  everyone's trying to sell you fucking snake oil.
• 2:00:43
  Yeah, by my course, you know, do this differently.
• 2:00:46
  Shut the fuck. Up sit.
• 2:00:48
  Differently. Do you have any comments I've
• 2:00:49
  had today about sitting differently from people that
• 2:00:52
  didn't watch the fucking video where we talk about where I'm
• 2:00:54
  sitting and you say if anything, you're sat actually quite higher
• 2:00:57
  than me? Yeah, you are every motherfucker
• 2:01:00
  I saw. Some of those, yeah.
• 2:01:01
  I think you'd benefit from. Sitting higher.
• 2:01:03
  I had the goat in the room looking at me.
• 2:01:05
  I'm good, right? This is how I'm going to fucking
• 2:01:08
  sit. I mean, yeah, if you get higher.
• 2:01:10
  You're going to lose power, so that that's kind of the price.
• 2:01:14
  You pay when you're. Really like, like this and and.
• 2:01:17
  And there's less of your weight of your legs.
• 2:01:20
  Yeah, I just want to play like. You so I'm just going to fucking
• 2:01:25
  be like OK, the way he says I'm sitting fine to play the way he
• 2:01:30
  does so let me just fucking do it.
• 2:01:32
  There's a lot of dogmatic teaching out there like you have
• 2:01:35
  to sit at this heart. You have to sit.
• 2:01:38
  You have to do this, and I just hate that not everyone persons
• 2:01:42
  the fucking same. Yes, so annoying, yeah.
• 2:01:45
  There's there's. We cluster though.
• 2:01:47
  You know, we cluster, that's why we're able to teach technique
• 2:01:51
  and stuff. But yeah, there there is
• 2:01:53
  definitely people's minds and bodies can work differently and,
• 2:02:00
  and yeah, not at all in my case, people's.
• 2:02:05
  Minds and bodies can work differently.
• 2:02:06
  My fucking right leg will not work, but it is working.
• 2:02:09
  It's getting better. Yeah.
• 2:02:10
  I think we're good. I think we're done.
• 2:02:11
  I think this is it, unless you got anything.
• 2:02:14
  Oh, no, you got a drum camp coming up.
• 2:02:16
  Tell me about this drum camp. It's for it's for kids.
• 2:02:19
  It's. For like 12 to 11 or 12 to 22.
• 2:02:24
  OK, talk me through. Why that specific age range
• 2:02:28
  Sheila started it in? Southern Maryland and Sheila
• 2:02:33
  Sheila Klatz, she's. A She's a drummer.
• 2:02:37
  Ex military, Yeah. And she won the hit Hit like a
• 2:02:42
  girl contest. She's like 70 now, something
• 2:02:45
  like that. And she's still right.
• 2:02:47
  She won that contest. Yeah.
• 2:02:49
  Yeah. How long has that contest been
• 2:02:51
  going? A minute?
• 2:02:53
  Like fucking. 50 years. Old.
• 2:02:55
  No, no, not that. No, she won it like. 10 years
• 2:02:58
  ago or something in her 60s? Yep.
• 2:03:02
  She's still going at it. Bro.
• 2:03:03
  It's not the one. The one.
• 2:03:07
  Old lady that played. The drums is it?
• 2:03:10
  Probably let me pull this. Up.
• 2:03:12
  No, there's like a there's. There's a couple the.
• 2:03:14
  Grandma the Grandma's the. One I'm thinking.
• 2:03:16
  Of she's different, yeah. When you.
• 2:03:19
  Fucking she's got some. Hands too let.
• 2:03:21
  Me get a glimpse of these. Warlocks.
• 2:03:23
  And keep it. Keep it in there was.
• 2:03:28
  Her. It's not Sheila A, obviously.
• 2:03:29
  What's her name? Sheila Klotz.
• 2:03:32
  Yeah, during COVID, she started. Working with these young
• 2:03:34
  drummers and yeah, started building up and doing like
• 2:03:38
  little mini camps and then started doing like the full on
• 2:03:42
  camp and it's a it's a non profit and yeah, so I'm proud to
• 2:03:47
  be a part of that. So it's like a little family
• 2:03:49
  open to. Anyone to submit?
• 2:03:52
  Yep, they have to submit from all across the world, Yeah.
• 2:03:54
  They have to. Submit a video.
• 2:03:56
  Obviously they have. To pay their own travel,
• 2:03:57
  obviously. I'm assuming yeah, you can come
• 2:03:59
  from anywhere around the. World, it's just you.
• 2:04:02
  It's no, it's me. It's Larnell Lewis.
• 2:04:06
  Sheila, it's Justin Scott. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:12
  Instagram guy. Yeah.
• 2:04:13
  You used to move to. Minor, I think.
• 2:04:16
  I believe I think so. It's.
• 2:04:20
  A bit shut up. Zach Beal.
• 2:04:23
  The. Zach Groves guy.
• 2:04:25
  Oh, love Zach. Yeah, he's a.
• 2:04:27
  Fucking psycho. I love it.
• 2:04:29
  Yeah, he's one of the like online guys.
• 2:04:31
  Like he's obviously he can fucking play and he plays in the
• 2:04:33
  band and stuff. Yeah, he's got his band too.
• 2:04:34
  When I see his online shit. I'm like, yeah, you're funny.
• 2:04:37
  You could stay. Yeah.
• 2:04:38
  The kids love him. Kids love.
• 2:04:40
  Him. They're like, we want him.
• 2:04:42
  Yeah, he got a Gen. Z thing.
• 2:04:44
  Yeah, we're the old man now. You're the old wise man.
• 2:04:48
  I'm the old fucking man. We'll see, We'll see.
• 2:04:53
  That sounded like. I'm in like I was.
• 2:04:55
  Diddling, not diddling. That's fucking cool.
• 2:04:58
  Anyone can. Anyone can. 1212 to 22.
• 2:05:01
  Oh yeah. Is there a reason for that?
• 2:05:03
  Was just the age she does. I don't know Malleable brains.
• 2:05:06
  I used to hate. Teaching giving back, You know,
• 2:05:09
  giving back to and. Stardom young.
• 2:05:11
  You know that's cool. I used to hate teaching.
• 2:05:14
  Fully grown men. I used to fucking.
• 2:05:16
  Hate it. Don't say me too, because you
• 2:05:19
  did it last week with me. Because there is a point other
• 2:05:24
  than technique like what I came to you for, which was strictly
• 2:05:27
  technique, and you didn't give me a fucking bunch of exercises
• 2:05:29
  to do. You looked at the mechanics of
• 2:05:32
  what I was doing and we deciphered there was a
• 2:05:34
  mechanical problem and I decided before I even came to you this
• 2:05:37
  is a mechanical problem. If you don't have a mechanical
• 2:05:40
  problem and you were like 30 and you can already play the drums,
• 2:05:44
  go on the fucking Internet, download your fucking things
• 2:05:47
  like you can do it. So people would come and it
• 2:05:49
  would just be like, they were sort of paying to hang out with
• 2:05:52
  me. And it sucks.
• 2:05:54
  Yeah, that's different. A fucking interview.
• 2:05:56
  But do you want to learn the? Drums or not, Yeah.
• 2:05:59
  And then they come back. It's yeah.
• 2:06:01
  You got to, you got to put a lot of work.
• 2:06:02
  In on your own. But the problem with the
• 2:06:05
  Internet is that the level of quality has dropped
• 2:06:10
  precipitously due to the influx of people offering courses and
• 2:06:18
  trying to be teachers. You know there is a lot of that
• 2:06:21
  and there are some great. Ones, but yeah, there's a lot of
• 2:06:25
  it. It just makes it harder to.
• 2:06:27
  To find the really good quality. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:06:29
  And I've always said to people is.
• 2:06:31
  Like when they ask me for advice.
• 2:06:34
  Or whatever. And I'll be like, am I doing
• 2:06:37
  what you currently want to be doing in whatever you're just
• 2:06:41
  whatever question you've just asked me?
• 2:06:42
  And if the answer is yes, it's like, OK, well then I can teach
• 2:06:44
  you. But and then if it's like, how
• 2:06:46
  do I get better at double bass? And I number one thing, like I
• 2:06:49
  get asked that all the time. And I'm like my brother, go on
• 2:06:53
  the Internet and look for someone better than me, which is
• 2:06:56
  almost everyone. And then ask them like I'm not
• 2:07:00
  saying don't like I'm grateful for your time, but like use your
• 2:07:03
  brain. Find the person doing what you
• 2:07:05
  want and ask them and do their courses.
• 2:07:08
  Like like it's so strange because everyone just wants like
• 2:07:12
  feel like maybe someone they just want the answer instead of
• 2:07:16
  being like you need to be slightly narrow minded about it.
• 2:07:19
  Like find the person you want to emulate and then buy their
• 2:07:22
  lessons and try and emulate what they do rather than ask a
• 2:07:26
  blanket amount of people. Like can you improve my bass
• 2:07:29
  drum technique? Because I could, if I wanted to
• 2:07:32
  do Lorna Shore double strokes, I wouldn't have asked you for the
• 2:07:37
  lesson. I want your.
• 2:07:38
  Foot techniques. So I asked you.
• 2:07:40
  Yeah, but like, and that stuff doesn't translate.
• 2:07:43
  So I didn't ever really like teaching people.
• 2:07:48
  That would come for a lesson. A because they wanted to hang
• 2:07:51
  out, but and B, because it was like they're asking me for stuff
• 2:07:54
  that I'm not the expert on. And I just feel like I have to
• 2:07:58
  over provide exercises and stuff because I'm like why are you
• 2:08:03
  asking me? And the answer is because I just
• 2:08:06
  wanted to hang out, which is cool, but it's like I don't want
• 2:08:09
  to get paid to hang out with you.
• 2:08:11
  That's weird. Yeah, it's kind of, it's kind of
• 2:08:12
  not cool though. Yeah.
• 2:08:13
  Because. It's like you should just be
• 2:08:15
  into the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:08:17
  It's a. Utilitarian thing.
• 2:08:19
  It's like, let me. Use you to dive into your
• 2:08:24
  knowledge base. Yeah, ask me about podcasts.
• 2:08:26
  You can ask me about my. Hands you can ask me about
• 2:08:28
  Phil's fucking cameras. But like.
• 2:08:32
  Hair dye. Hair dye.
• 2:08:34
  But just. Ask someone else about that
• 2:08:36
  stuff. Well, how to make a niche?
• 2:08:40
  Because I got a fucking niche. Speaking of niches, not Speaking
• 2:08:43
  of niches, I think we're done. We.
• 2:08:45
  Plugged all this shit. That was awesome.
• 2:08:46
  Yeah. Are you good?
• 2:08:47
  You had fun? Yeah.
• 2:08:48
  Yeah. Thank you. #4 number fucking 4
• 2:08:51
  number. 4 mother fuckers I'm the one.
• 2:08:53
  I'm the number one or #4 the number one.
• 2:08:57
  I'm the number one. He's the number one in terms of
• 2:08:59
  four numbers being here 4 times no.
• 2:09:02
  One else has even come close, so I had a couple of threes.
• 2:09:06
  I appreciate your time, appreciate your friendship.
• 2:09:08
  Thank you. Fucking arms.
• 2:09:10
  So we can go to the gym? Yeah, I'm working on it still.
• 2:09:13
  Jacked fucking A. Little check out Matt,
• 2:09:16
  obviously. You.
• 2:09:18
  If you got this far, you know who he is, but honestly by his
• 2:09:20
  lessons that fucking say if you're a little kid, go to his
• 2:09:23
  camp. Give me a.
• 2:09:24
  Chance you know. Give the best.
• 2:09:27
  Give the best drummer in the world a chance.
• 2:09:29
  Thanks. Goodbye.
• 2:09:31
  Awesome.