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Why we think the CAA is stupid - Livestream 21 August · Flyer Magazine

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  SPEAKER_04: Four, three, two, one.
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  SPEAKER_05: Hello, and welcome to this week's livestream brought to you from the Flyer Studio at Wadswick.
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  SPEAKER_05: Whether you're watching on YouTube or listening to the new podcast, we're glad to have you along.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in this week's news, we'll be talking about Playstows Airfield.
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  SPEAKER_04: We'll also be hearing about how uh partial power will figure in your future PPL syllabus.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_04: We'll be explaining why we think the CA is sometimes plain stupid.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_04: How blown lift can help you take off sooner.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: And Loganair is looking for experienced pilots to come back to flying.
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  SPEAKER_05: But before all that, big thank you to Sky Demon for supporting this episode.
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  SPEAKER_05: So here is this week's tip.
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  SPEAKER_04: Ed, have you dropped a waypoint?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_04: I have.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a great way of remembering.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_04: If you see a strip, you go, I'll drop a point there, come back and name it afterwards.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I don't know if you've seen it, but on the way to Popham, there's a maze in the shape of a massive foot.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_05: You have shown me another.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_05: I've shown you that before.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_05: Probably because I dropped a waypoint on it so I could find it again.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_04: Are you flying this weekend?
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_04: Let's check out what uh the forecast has in store for us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hi everyone, Simon Keeling here with your flying weather outlook for the weekend put to you exclusively by Fly in association with weatherschool.co.uk.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks again for watching onto Friday high pressure today with us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some morning mist and fog patches in the more rural areas, but generally it becomes fair once more.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: Could see some clouds again across the east, but generally it's a fair fireable base, it's typically 3,000 feet, tops at about 6,000 feet, and overall good conditions.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: However, still quite breezy for East Angler in the far south-east of England, gusts of 20 knots here, but elsewhere, just light wind onto Saturday.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: High pressure drifts eastwards on Saturday, seeing a bit of a change of wind direction now coming in from the south or south-east.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: So we are going to be finding another fair day, maybe some morning mist and fog patches again in more rural areas, but they will clear quite quickly.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then the day again becomes one of decent spells of sunshine.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Could be again that there's some low climate just runs off these eastern coasts, but generally it's fair.
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  SPEAKER_01: Base is around three to four thousand feet, with the tops about six to eight thousand feet.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, maybe a little bit hazy, perhaps 10 to 15 kilometre visibility, particularly more southern and eastern areas, but elsewhere it is a decent day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_01: High pressure stays off towards the east once again through Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think for really most of us, broken cloud, good spells of sunshine, another very farable day, but morning mist again, one or two fault patches.
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  SPEAKER_01: Typical base is three to five thousand feet, tops about seven thousand feet.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe a little bit of increased cloud across western Scotland as that cold front approaches.
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  SPEAKER_01: And again, maybe some haze around as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So visibility eight to twelve kilometres for many.
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  SPEAKER_01: On to Monday, the high pressure stays with us.
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  SPEAKER_01: So another dry day on Monday.
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  SPEAKER_01: A south of south-easly float.
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  SPEAKER_01: Once again, this is going to be bringing with it some hazier conditions off the continent.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: But generally, it is going to be a fair farmable day once more for all of us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Probably eastern coast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, at risk of seeing some low clouds, and it may well be the western part of Ireland later on.
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  SPEAKER_01: See some rain moving in ahead of that front.
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  SPEAKER_01: But typical base is 4,000 feet, tops again, about 7,000 feet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So top of the news this week is about Playstows Airfield.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: This is a little airfield just outside in Albans in Hertfordshire.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: A planning application has been submitted by the farm next door to put in a solar farm.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: And we're not talking just a field of solar panels.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: This is virtually a solar power station, field after field.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: The uh Playstows Airfield fears that this may affect operations, and in fact, the BMA have got behind them with this uh with this the objections to this because they're worried about well, places to land, should you have engine failure after takeoff?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: But it's also the fact that approaching a field full of solar panels, if it's a sunny day, you know, it could be a bit disorientating.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: So there's there's uh a bit of a battle going on at the moment.
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  SPEAKER_02: They don't particularly want the farmer to stop doing what a farmer wants to do, but the idea of having a solar power station next to an airfield isn't very good.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I guess you've got not only the the options for engine failure after takeoff, but you've got the issue, you know, solar solar farms are dark areas, so they you've got a lot more thermic turbulence coming from them as well.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I guess, because uh gliders tend to seek them out, don't they, to uh pick up a thermal.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_04: If they're big enough, yep.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_04: And they they are, it's as a as a forced landing option goes, they must be like the worst spot if you had to if you ended up there on so much metal and glass and stuff.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, that would be definitely somewhere to be advised.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_05: Although that said, on the we we have a solar farm here, which is which is off of the runway, so it's not really an issue for that.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um you can see it for miles, it's got specific shapes, so it's really easy to kind of go, oh Wadswick's over there.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_05: Even if it wasn't in GPS.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: This one next to Play Show is actually a massive enterprise.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's not just solar panels themselves, it's the whole construction of the of the whole site.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh there's operation and subsequent decommissioning.
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  SPEAKER_02: They've also got a plan for decommissioning the solar farms as well.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there's uh all the sort of ground-mounted solar photovoltaics, including associated infrastructure, including inverters, transformers, cabling, CCTV, fencing, access tracks, and landscaping.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_02: This is a massive enterprise.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I think I think there's a link to the planning thing where you can make your views known, and we'll put that in the description.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: And the story's on flyer if should you want to follow it up.
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  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_04: Next.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: Uh well, it's all about partial power, uh, because that's being added to your PPL syllabus.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the change is coming uh on the 1st of October, 2025.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and basically, if you're training for a PPL, an NPPL, or um a sailplane pilot license, and I'm gonna know you're going, what?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_04: But with the touring motor glider rating, okay.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um then partial power loss scenarios will figure in that training.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's also gonna uh figure in uh your biennial refl refresher as well, which seems sensible because I mean partial power is one of those things where actually if it happens to you, then you know it's not like an engine.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_04: An engine failure is easy, isn't it?
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's like the engine has stopped, you're gonna have to do something.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_04: But I know the CIA has looked at a whole number of incidents uh and accidents involving partial power.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_04: And sometimes the fact that the engine just about keeps going has encouraged some people to go, that's all right, I'll keep going.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_04: And sometimes they've flown past perfectly good forced landing options uh in lieu of trying to get to a destination.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: So um, it's this is prompted by the AIIB, isn't it?
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because a couple of crashes in 2022 prompted the AIIB to come up with some safety recommendations and finally they've made their way through.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_04: That's it, yeah.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_04: You say so in 10 years, uh 2011 to 2021, the AIIB investigated 16 accidents involving partial loss of power.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_04: Fifteen fatalities resulted from those 16 accidents, as well as nine serious or life-threatening uh injuries.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I will say, if you're ahead of this coming in, the Australian ATSB really got ahead of this quite a long time ago, over 10 years.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_04: And if you search for ATSB partial power, they have a really good PDF that deals with a whole number of factors to do with partial power, um, dealing with partial power failures.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and um and that's worth checking out.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_04: We'll put a link in the video description.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_05: So why do we think the CA is just plain stupid?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_05: Well, earlier this week I got an email from Skywise talking about the rat infringements and how when you compare the numbers today from 2024 and 2025, they've gone up.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_05: In fact, they've gone up 128%.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_05: Um I asked the CA for some numbers, and also you won't be surprised to hear that the number of rats also went up, not by the same amount, however.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_05: They went up from 64 to 99, which is 54%.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_05: 14 of those were GA, one military, and one is classified as other.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna guess that was a drone, but I don't know.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um the problem is not that that's not a problem, it is a problem, and clearly we shouldn't have rat infringements.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_05: The problem is the CA suggested um solution to this.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_05: And I give you the order in which they put the suggestions.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_05: Number one, no TAM briefing using the NATS AIS website.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_05: Make sure you get your NOTAM briefing from the NATS AIS website.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_05: And a few times in the recent past, they've mentioned about getting it from a good regulated service.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_05: Number two, reference the AICs referred to.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_05: That's a great idea.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_05: There's some pretty good AICs, they make it pretty clear most of the time.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_05: Number three, call the info line.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_05: Uh there's a number that you can call if you didn't know.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_05: It's 08085-354802.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_05: That gives you a recorded message for all of the restricted airspace in the UK for that day.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, and number four, eventually, use a VFR moving map and apply the take two suggestion, take two, which is avoid it by 200 feet vertically and two miles horizontally.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_05: The trouble is, um, this CA hint about using the NATS AIS website, um, frankly, it's not only difficult to use, it's just not possible to use properly.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_05: For example, it doesn't accommodate airfields without an IKO cade.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_05: So if you're going from one strip to another, as many of us do, you kind of have to pick another airfield that's close by and then put your route in using the Latin long of the strip that you are using.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, seriously?
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_05: Once you've eventually got your narrow root briefing from the CAA NATS AIS website, you will then find that you have tons and tons and tons of Latin longs to plot.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I don't know how long it is since you've plotted a Latin long either on a paper chart or a digital chart or a digital app, but it's it's it's it's kind of guaranteed to introduce human error, is it not?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_05: And that's just a dumb way of doing things.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: Hang on a second.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: Are you saying that the NATS website is not fit for purpose?
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_05: I am saying, well, sounds like it.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_05: Sounds like it.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_05: It's not fit for purpose as a GA tool to give yourself a no-tam briefing.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_05: And to give yourself a pre-flight briefing.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's a system that will give you all sorts of problems and will introduce all sorts of risks.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell And let's not forget, I'm it is 2025, right?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_04: And the world of digital information delivered cleanly at our fingertips is is with us.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_05: Indeed.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_05: And look at the disclaimer on the NATS website.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_05: It says, to the fullest extent permitted by law, NATS accepts no liability for you for your use of UK aeronautical information products.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_05: Hello.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't NATS get its uh no time from Eurocontrol?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_05: It does.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_05: It does.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, and um if you want to go and log on to the NATS website, which you can, you need a you need a login.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_05: You you're limited to 30 minutes.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_05: You can get the same information from other websites in in in the US, the official ones, if you want.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_05: And they'll give you the same information because it's a kind of global system.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_05: But for some reason, Nats find it um a requirement to restrict your time on there to 30 minutes.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_05: I don't really know why.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_05: But basically, it's 2025.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_05: There are significantly easier ways of doing it, there are significantly better ways of doing it.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_05: And why the CEA is insisting, or not insisting, but strongly suggesting that you should use the NATS AIS website, which is not fit for this particular purpose, is beyond and it's when they make suggestions like that, you go, that is just dumb.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_05: You know it's dumb deep down, we know it's dumb deep down.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_05: Don't do it.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: What would you suggest, as an experienced pilot, is the best way to get NoTam?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_05: Well, if you're flying in the UK, just Sky Demon's a great thing.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_05: You can plot your route quite easily, it brings you all the notes, it shows you them graphically.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_05: You can go through the note arms, you can click on their little pair of binoculars, it shows you where it is on the map, it gives you everything fantastic.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_05: It l it will give you the AIC, so you can go and read the AICs.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_05: On the way to the airfield, just call the uh the AIC number just in case something's cropped up, which it can sometimes do, and that you've missed, and go, you know what?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_05: And and then find out a little bit more.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_05: It's not difficult to get a full briefing.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's only difficult and only introduces an awful lot more errors if you do it in the way the CA would like to see you doing it.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_05: And that's why it's dumb.
• 14:01
  unknown: Right.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Is this anything to do with the column you wrote on uh the flyer website this week?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: Something about a model.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_05: In part, I think you know that flying is challenging enough.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_05: Um and we in the UK managed to make it sometimes more challenging.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_05: We don't really have a uh a joined up ATC system.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_05: We have a bit we can have a bit of an awkward no-time system if you want to look at it.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_05: We've got a few rules that are a bit different, we do things differently.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_05: The whole kind of the flight information service, which is an IKAO definition, you know, we have a basic service, a traffic service, a deconfliction service.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_05: We're the only people who do.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_05: You fly in France, you hear half the Brits asking for a basic service.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_05: Fortunately, the French controllers have gone, they're probably rolling their eyes in that French way, going, well, we know what they really want, and we'll give that to them.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_05: Would you like some roast beef as well?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_05: But and I can understand, and I know people who don't fly very often, who haven't been flying for very long.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_05: Clearly, they start their flying, they don't want to get it wrong, but it is so difficult.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_05: So there are so many obstacles put in the way of getting it.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_05: It'd be like saying, instead of this motorway, we're gonna put a few hairpin bends in as well, because that's the easiest and and then go, huh, people just can't drive.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_05: It's true, people can't drive 70-mile-an-hour hairpin bins.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_05: But if you didn't put the hairpin bins in in the first place, you know, roads roads have specifications to make them safer.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_05: Flying has certifications to make it safer, but some of the procedures are just mad.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's fair to say that there's this is one element of flight planning that has not caught up with the modern world.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell I think I think the truth is the modern world, most people actually do what they do with Sky Demon and other things.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um and it's just the people who who either weren't going to ever do any flight planning or who get distracted by something else, or who use the NAT system and thereby introduce the potential for errors that that get it wrong and make it more difficult.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_05: You need to the the CA should The CA used to say, Oh, GPS is the work of the devil.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_05: They've stopped doing that now, fortunately.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_05: There's there's the CA at the moment going, oh, we don't like this non-regulated stuff.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_05: What they should be doing is going, here's the data, make it easy for industry to get, and let industry go away and find innovative ways of displaying it and communicating it, and then teaching people how to use it.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_05: That should be part of the an integral part of the of the course.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_05: You know, people should be flying with the moving maps and should understand their strengths, their weaknesses, and how to use them to their best effect.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_05: Because they make life significantly easier.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_04: You think we we we talked earlier about adding partial power to the PPL syllabus?
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, wouldn't it be great if we added the use of modern moving maps?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_04: Wouldn't it just it would be fantastic?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: That could be transformational, actually.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, a lot of people, you know, the the CA's attitude is really important.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_05: And when they say things like this, it it does the CA brand harm.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_05: People look at it and go, that's dumb.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_05: And not everything that the CA do is dumb.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_05: They do some really good stuff and they do some really smart stuff.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of the infringement stuff they've done.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_05: There was another one about Fair Axe this week that came out.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_05: It's got some great information in there and it's really good.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_05: But unfortunately, it's tarnished by some of the dumb things that they do as well, because you just tendency to think they're just dumb.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_05: And then they're not.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_05: But sometimes either someone there or something there is dumb for whatever reason, they kind of pretend that it isn't.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Shall we move on?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so uh uh uh this is all about uh blown lift and the powers it can bring you in uh taking off sooner.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_04: So uh a company called Electra has been demonstrating their EL9 short, very well, very, very short takeoff aircraft.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and uh there's a video of that online.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um basically Electra's uh stall-capable aeroplane, this EL9, is a demonstrator for a vehicle that's going to be uh certified in 2029, they say, uh, which will be an ultra-short aircraft.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and it they say it opens the thousands of potential new routes.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: And they're talking about that because basically uh they've flown from a 300 foot by 75 foot paved surface, uh, an access road, and a grass field.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_04: This is all in the research area where they're testing at the moment.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but uh the EL9 operates at one-third the cost of a helicopter or EVTOL and is a hundred times quieter, they say.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and basically they run a, in their demonstrator, they run uh, I think it's a little turbine engine which generates power.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_04: I think there's a some batteries as well, but it's a combination, and then they've got multiple engines, or multiple motors across the wing that that give blown lift.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and then the aircraft also has quite a sophisticated flap system, but it does mean that you can operate from incredibly small spaces.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um so you don't need your vertiport, you just actually need a small open space, I guess, with reasonable approaches.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_05: So it's it's kind of like okay, these engines are now going to simulate, or not simulate, we've got to replace I'm gonna I'm taking off into a 50-knot wind or something.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_05: And they're creating that 50 knot wind for you.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_04: It it is just like that.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_04: And they're basically they're saying um takeoffs and landings in 150 feet or less.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's an awful lot that's an awful lot of new technology to have certified by 2029.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_04: And they've been working on it for a number of years now.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and as we know, certification is not a fast beast.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_05: I think I think probably the key to one of their things is is generating the power through the use of through burning fossil fuels effectively.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_05: Or I guess they probably burn SAF or something, but it'll be it'll be sustainable.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_04: Don't forget the buzzword.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_04: So um but I it to me this at least makes a bit more sense than just running on batteries alone.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_04: Because at least with a um with a turbo with a turbo generator or something, you can actually run that at one speed.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_04: You can run it at its one speed, the most efficient speed.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_04: You're not making any power changes or anything, and that that actually brings you great efficiency.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_04: So Yeah.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_05: Well that and that's the way until someone figures out the battery density power issue, isn't it?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_04: It is, yeah.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_04: What I would say is I was watching some of this going, well, I've seen some I've seen some super cubs fly fly from similar small spots.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_04: So it's well done, chaps.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_04: You've there aren't nine seats in a super cub.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_05: There aren't no there aren't nine seats, are there?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_05: So that could be the So the bit that worries me is that all these all these airlines are gonna go, oh tell you what, we don't need an airport anymore.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_05: We could go and like operate from all these grass strips.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_05: And we'll have like the grass stripper goes.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: Have you got a PPR?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: Have you got a yellow jacket?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_05: I'm afraid you can't go airslide without accompaniment by the uh by the FBO.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_05: And grass strips becoming the new Heathrow.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_05: Meanwhile, the rest of us will be popping in and out of Heathrow for our cups of tea and bacon sandwiches.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_05: Because it's uh yeah, because it's gone quiet there.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think that's gonna happen, really, is it?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, fair enough.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: Changing the subject again.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Loganair, our favourite UK regional airline, it's the leading UK regional airline, they uh make a slight change to the way they recruit people.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: They're actually looking for people who commercial pilots who have uh had some experience but have stopped flying for whatever reason, a break because of family or something like that.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: And they're trying to encourage them to come back.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: They're calling it an airline pilot returner scheme.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's it sounds like a great scheme, actually, because um it's a they offer a four-month program with tailored refresher training, including simulator sessions, uh structured reintroduction, uh dedicated mentoring, apparently, and expenses including travel and uh accommodation paid for by the airline.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: This has all come about because there's a shortage of pilots at the moment.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um they can't come through fast enough because the industry's booming.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_05: And Loganair has some really interesting routes and interesting flying, but a lot of the time it's used by you know, the a lot of the time the younger people will go and work for for Loganair, and then you know, their their their dream at that age is I want to go and fly long haul in a big shiny jet.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_04: I've got to say though, the airline pilot returner skit.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_04: Does someone needed to come up with a better name than that?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: It's like I bought this airline pilot and it's faulty.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: I'd like to return it, please.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I did think about putting in the headline the airline pilot turn back scheme, but uh That's also not very good.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Were you on the Logan Air marketing team?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: Probably a good thing.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: A job for the older pilot.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's the end of the news.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so it is time to talk to you about the Flyer Club.
• 22:11
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• 22:14
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• 22:20
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• 22:23
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• 22:29
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• 22:30
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• 22:34
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• 22:39
  SPEAKER_04: And those uh your Flyer Club membership obviously gets you our amazing free landings.
• 22:44
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• 22:50
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• 22:53
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• 22:57
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• 22:58
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• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: And don't forget that we have uh a great series of webinars on the flyer website available from your members' dashboard.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: There's things like uh false landings with uh Mark Greenfield, particularly good one, I thought.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: There was uh license revalidation and renewal with uh Steve Morley from Blackbush Aviation.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um what about some of the others?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_05: Uh well we got um Ed Bellamy talking about icing, uh, aircraft piston icing.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_05: Um we had one about insurance.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_05: Sounds dull, but it wasn't as fascinating.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_05: And there was Dave White ongoing foreign, which was full of great information.
• 23:34
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• 23:34
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, basically, and now I think I can't remember what you got.
• 23:36
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• 23:38
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• 23:40
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• 23:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_05: You'd have also noticed that we do a lot more these days on video, so don't forget to check out our latest.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_05: We do one on the Goodyear Blimp.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_05: We do one semi-rigid dirigible.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_05: Semi-rigid dirigible.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_05: Can you say that, Dave?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're not even gonna try it.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um I did one on the Sky Leader 400 last week.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_05: We've got an interview with Ivan McGuyre from Cirrus coming up, James Holland.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_05: Lots of stuff.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_05: Check it out on our YouTube channel.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_04: So the big question of the week is what did you find interesting?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Ian, I think you're going first.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, well, I've been looking at airships mainly because um your blimp video seems to have been doing pretty bloody well.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_05: So it's kind of a bit of a fascinating area.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and did you know?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_05: I know you probably did, but did you know that this very week in 1919, the Germans built the first airship since the first world war?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_05: I did not know that.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_05: There you go.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_05: It was the LZ-120, which I guess is like saying it's the Fiesta or the Capri or something.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_05: But interestingly, it was named the Bodensee.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_05: So that kind of caught my eye because obviously Bodensee.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_05: We know that spot.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_05: We know that sport is is the Lake Constance, effectively.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and this flight took place from Friedrichshaven, no less.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_05: Plus, it was the first time they built a kind of streamlined one that was kind of built in circular sections.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_05: So it looked a little to kind of passing eye, it looked a bit like a uh Goodyear blimp, really.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um blimp or semi-rigid dirigible.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I think it was a semi-rigid dirigible.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_05: And funnily enough, this particular one was a rigid dirigible.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_05: Apparently.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um so I'm told.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_05: But anyway, so um it was quite a lot bigger, I think.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_05: And it was one of the first ones that had the gondola attached to the bottom of the envelope, thereby streamlining it.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_05: Streamlining it.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I don't know how.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_05: Well, if you get something like is it worth streamlining our hair, so much bloody drag?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_05: Who knows?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_05: So a streamlined blimp, are you going to come up with some astonishing cruise speed for us?
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_05: I am, I am.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_05: But not not before I tell you a few other bits and pieces.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_05: It had a metal frame over which it stret they stretched a cotton fabric.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_05: Good.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_05: There were twelve um bladders, I guess you call them, full full of hydrogen.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_05: Good to take care of the buoyancy.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_05: That was probably no smoking signs, or there should have been.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm guessing when they stretched that cotton over it, they probably doped it with silk with like very flammable dope as well.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_04: Probably pretty flam.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_05: Have you ever seen dope catch fire by the way?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, whoa, dude, that's what I'm saying.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: What you wouldn't do, isn't it?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: What you wouldn't do is have that and have that all around you, and then fill it with heat with hydrogen, would you?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_05: Well, clearly people did.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_05: And this this particular rigid dirigible didn't didn't meet its end in a in a fire.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_05: So that was good.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_05: So it had twelve of these things.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_05: And I mean it had uh four engines made by Maybach.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_05: Ah.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um, a name that's still kind of associated with Mercedes these days.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_05: Um and they were like 23-litre engines.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_05: But you know, chunky old things.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um what RPM did they turn?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_05: 1700.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_05: And that delivered 300 horsepower.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_05: I think 302 if you're being fussy.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but about 300.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_05: So four of those.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_05: But that propelled this bloody thing along at 82 miles an hour.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_05: That's top speed.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: That is quite fast for a blimp because talking to the Goodyear guys, um, so I know the blimp Goodyear blimp kind of meanders around around about.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: You mean the Goodyear semi-dirigible?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: No, no.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: I've Goodyear call it blimp, and they've done done it for a hundred years.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_04: So we're going with Flyer salutes the choice of blimp.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_04: She gets some t-shirts made.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_04: Blimp.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_04: We are blimp, yes.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I'm the Goodyear Blimp cruises around.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_04: Not anymore.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um so the Goodyear Blimp cruises around around about 20 to 25 knots.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_04: They can do like 40 to 45 knots.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_04: Apparently, uh beyond that, it gets a bit difficult to fly.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_05: So Yeah, it's got to be I mean, that's that's an awful lot of drag pushing it on anymore.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_05: I mean the the the the Bowdensee must have taken um must have been significantly larger because it had like took twelve people to run it.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_05: I knew what they were actually doing, but somehow they took twelve people to run it.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_05: They didn't have the internet, they had things to do.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_05: Someone check the no tab.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_05: And um and it would take twenty passengers.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_05: Which is yeah, that's a chunky old gondola.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_05: So so what happened to it?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_05: You said it it it lasted.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_05: It it it was operational until 1928.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um so what's that nine years?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_05: Uh which is not bad for a cotton envelope.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_05: Filled with hydrogen dirigible.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but effectively the Germans had to give it to the Italians as reparations for for bad things they did during the First World War.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_04: Do you think the Italians probably went, that's very nice, but could we have a decanter instead or something?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_05: Can I have some socks?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_05: Or something.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_05: Have this have this giant airship.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_05: But there you go, that caught my eye.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_05: I thought that was pretty, pretty interesting.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_05: Dave, what did you go for?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I spotted uh well, actually you spotted it and passed it on to me.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, it's uh another aircraft produced by Direct Fly.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's a Czech company that is behind the Auto NG that Flylight are going to be bringing in.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: We saw it at Popham.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: We saw it at Popham at the uh Michael Light Trade Fair in May.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, Direct Fly are also working on something that they call the Stoll Cruiser.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: And if you squint, and you know how I can squint really well, you can squint.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: It actually looks a bit like a European Vans RV 15.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: When I say European, I mean something slim down.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: And it's it's got tapered wings, isn't it?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_04: It's quite an elegant machine.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's a very elegant machine.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, I I I thought I hadn't heard much about this, even though it turned out it's been around since 2022.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's the result of a cooperation between uh Direct Fly and the uh technical university in Prague.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: And um anyway, so it's there, they're taking it around to various shows.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I had a quick word with Paul Dewhurst from Flylight because he he knows the company very well.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: He's been out there and he's he's he said yes, they're sort of evaluating it at the moment to see if it's worth going into.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: But they've got a bit of work to do uh because it's heavy.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: They're aiming for the 600 uh kilogram microlite category, as everybody else is, but um of course that you've got to have a decent payload, um, and I think the BMAA set some limits on that about you know how much fuel you've got to have, you've got weights of passengers.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: So they've got to but so they've just got to get a weight down a bit.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: But unfortunately, that probably means redesigning the fuselage and the wings, and and there's not a lot else you could redesign after that.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_04: But um Well, I I hope I hope it stays looking like it is, because that is that's that's quite a pretty looking thing.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: I that's the nicest of the and I presume it's gonna be RoTex powered.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it's gonna be powered by at the moment they're talking about a hundred horsepower RoTAX 912.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, and how about you, Ed?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_04: Uh me, I was reminded of uh something that I knew about twelve twenty plus years ago as a discussion popped up on a Facebook group I'm part of.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and it was this, the Bird Symmetry, uh, which has been described as the most perfectly built aeroplane in the world ever.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_04: And you might be going, how can that be?
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_04: But how can that be?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_04: How can that be?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_04: And this was an airplane.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_04: It was built, it was designed built by a scale composites engineer.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_04: So scale composites was the Burt Rutan company, famous for all sorts of things.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_04: And a guy called Corrie Bird and his wife Patty designed and built this airplane.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_04: It took 14 years, but what was unique about it was that uh Corrie engineered everything to one one thousandth of an inch.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um so after building this airplane, when he turned up at Oshkosh with it, people were looking at it going, How do you how do you get in?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_04: How do you get to the engine?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_04: How do you check the oil?
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_04: Because every every opening, every shut line, where there were fasteners, thing, everything was to a one one thousandth of an inch.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and this thing was absolutely perfect.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's probably never been surpassed in terms of making, I literally, it's like it's like Michelangelo sculpted it out of a block of yellow of yellow marble or something.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_04: This is the the you look at it and the reflections in all the surfaces are perfect.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_04: There's no waves or ripples.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um it was an astonishing aeroplane, 200 horsepower, IO360, had a 241-knot top speed, 210-knot cruise, um, weighed 956 pounds, grossed out at 1465.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_04: So quite an impressive machine.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_04: It was it had in trouble if you're talking about pounds again.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_04: I know, yeah.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_04: It had um it had slightly staggered seating to keep so it wasn't too too wide, because Corrie was worried about drag.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um stalled at 70 knots, rate of climb two and a half thousand feet per minute.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I know you know I notice you go all at the stall speed.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_04: There was one slight issue with the symmetry, and that's because it loves big runways.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so Corrie said the landing distance is eight hundred and fifty meters.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um he try yeah, he tries not to use airports smaller than one thousand four hundred meters.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_04: So this thing kind of lives in the Mojave Desert and only goes to big runway properties.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_05: And the interesting thing is, and I guess we'll never know the answer.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um it's great that someone's done something like that.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_05: It's not so great that it's taken 14 years, because that's a long, long time to get perfection.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_05: But you know, you need but had had had he instead of designing it to one one thousandth of an inch, had he designed it to, I don't know, shot lines that were eighth of an inch.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_05: An eighth of an inch, for example.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, would would that have gone, okay, well the top speed instead of two hundred and forty-odd knots or whatever it is.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_05: Would it have been like, well, it just does two hundred and thirty-eight knots now?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_04: Probably maybe, maybe something like that.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_04: But I always I the thing I was uh the reason I was excited to see to be reminded of it again is that there are people out there who will go, you know, I could make that normally, but actually I will make it to a level of perfection.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_04: Has that ever been to Oshkosh?
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_04: It went to Oshkosh in 2004, where everyone was completely blown away with it, and clearly it w it won uh grand champion plans built.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I think it went a couple more times and probably hasn't I don't think it's been since.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_04: So it's it's it's it's been that long ago that this is probably this might be new to some of you, even though it's 20 years ago.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_05: That long ago, it's like flared trousers.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_05: Not quite that long.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_04: So uh anyway, if you've got if you like uh any one of our favourite things that we found, this are interesting things that we found this week, tell us in the comments.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and let us know what caught your eye.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: So while the weather's good, we got any events coming up?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: This is a busy weekend, it's a really busy period.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: So this weekend, Friday to Sunday, should you really be adventurous, there's a Swiss summer flying at Krems.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: This is run by the Experimental Aviation of Switzerland, the EAS.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: A bit similar to our LAA and the EAA in the States.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: On Saturday 23rd, Kirk Bride Open Day and Flying, Wings and Wheels at Hainstridge, the Stone Marie's Air Show, something called the Main Summer Event at Sherburn.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: Saturday and Sunday, there's the family flying at Carrickbore in Omar, Sunday the 24th, there's the Machine Meet at Slate, the Air and Car Show at Little Gransden, and Fenland Wings and Wheel.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: Bank Holiday Monday, also a busy day.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: There's the fundraising event for the Rod Wildeboer Scholarship at Goodwood.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um there's Shopton, Music and Fly, sounds quite nice.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Gamston Flying, and looking ahead to the following weekend, 29th to the 31st of August, the LAA Riot Valley.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_04: I thought you said LAA riots then.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_04: Hopefully not a riot, but a fantastic riveting.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_04: We want more dopey.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, more riveting.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_04: More riveting.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_04: But uh yeah, we're gonna be there.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_04: And I have to say, I'd love I I'm hoping the weather's gonna be decent enough for that Rob Wildeborg scholarship flying at um uh uh Goodwood.
• 35:37
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• 35:58
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_05: Blow.
• 36:04
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