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Melchizedek IS Jesus? Genesis 14 Shocking Discovery | Beers With Jesus · Todd's World

• Yo, it's Carrie: Be Sunday. Todd: Welcome everyone to Beers of Jesus, Todd's World. I'm Todd Carries with me. Every week we are walking through the stories of the Bible. We read the message because the message is the best. If you don't read the message and you're just getting introduced to it, lucky you are. Yo, it's Carrie: I know, check it out. It was me to me when this all began and look at me now. No, I do like it. It's it's a it's good for for the way that we do this. It's really good. Todd: We focus on the stories and the message Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: is very narrative driven and it just works really well for what we do. And Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: and I like just walking through like we went through the book of Mark when we Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: first started. We went through the book of Acts and now we're going through the book of Genesis, which I love. And Yo, it's Carrie: Action packed Genesis. Todd: my hope is that at the end of this, if people if people stick with us, well, first of all, if you're with us for a show, you're like you you have a feel for the story of that particular chapter we're dealing with. But But if you stick with us for a book, my hope is that by the end of that you have a pretty good, a decent grasp at least of of the story that's going on. You know, like you can you could say, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: I understand Genesis. At least I understand the story, not that I understand every single thing about it. But I get kind of the general narrative. And a lot of people, I don't know how many people it's not taught that way a lot. You know what I mean? Not saying that it never is, but it's not. Yo, it's Carrie: No, it's not. Right. Especially this part. And I I was gonna say I was going through a couple weeks ago, I was going through a wholesale club. It's like a Costco, but it's a regional. It's called BJ's. Do you have BJs up there? Probably not. But it's like a Costco. Todd: No. Not in that context. Speaking of laughing. Gary's got a rib problem. Yo, it's Carrie: I still laughing is still difficult. We're yeah, we're both playing hurt. Your eye looks better. We're getting there. I mean It's a wholesale club, like like a Costco. Look Sam's. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I was passing by the Todd: A little better. BJ's is just like Sam's or Costco or whatever. Okay. All right. No, I never heard of Yo, it's Carrie: passing by the book table and I saw this it looked like a hardcover graphic like graphic novel like a look like a comic book but but thick Todd: Okay. Yo, it's Carrie: and it was someone has put the Bible into this like kind of comic book format Todd: nice. Yo, it's Carrie: and I I thought about it and I was like man I'm kind of curious to see Genesis because so much is happening in it it makes Todd: I don't Yo, it's Carrie: me wonder yeah maybe I'll check it out next time I'm Todd: There you go. Yo, it's Carrie: walking by I was in a hurry but it's stuck in my head so yeah it was great Todd: No, that's kind of cool. What we try to do is yeah, just take it and and talk about the stories, kinda get it. I mean, I'm not gonna say bring it Yo, it's Carrie: We're glad you're here. Todd: bring it down to our level per se. I just we we do so this is Beers with Jesus is once a week. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: We do also the wildly opinionated news hour. We do that every other week. So this was our week that we did it. And that drops on Tuesdays, Beers with Jesus drops on Wednesdays. So check out the Wildly Opinion Aid News Hour. They are somewhat different shows. As Pastor Darrell liked to point out to me this week, that I don't Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: know. I don't know how a person could could listen to Bible teaching and news hour from the same. And I'm like, dude, it's me. I'm the same person. I understand. There's a lot going on. Trust me, I live with me every Yo, it's Carrie: There is Todd: day. I got Yo, it's Carrie: We are multifaceted. Todd: So but I think you know what? And this this passage today, we're in Genesis 14, we're story of Abram. And I I'm I'm excited because I think this passage kind of shows you have a couple parallel things going on. You have like what's going on in the wide world politically for like the first half, and then you've got how how it's relating to Abram and his call from God kinda in the second half. You know what I mean? So Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Mm-hmm. Todd: we kind of see things going Concurrently at the same time. So Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: but anyway, I think it works. You may not think it works. Todd's World dot net is where the books are. Got a couple series out there, Insurrection and Witness are both fabulous series. Witness is kind of an end times series. kind of like if you took the old Left Behind series and made amazing books instead Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: of stupid books. No. I'm just kidding. I've never read the Left Behind series. But yeah. I kid, I kid. Yo, it's Carrie: I was gonna say, wow, shots fired, right? it yeah, guys witness is very cool. looking up one of these. Mm-hmm. Todd: And insurrection is fun. I have my memoir out there, which is Leaves It Blue Away. Great story. I'd appreciate that. Nine mile point. So check out some of the books, some of the merch. And definitely if you enjoy the show, recommend us to people. We put clips out all the time. Send us we're only gonna grow if you guys help us in this particular algorithm. Mixing up Beers with Jesus and the wildly opinionated news hour. Even the algorithms seemed to struggle. So you guys need to help us. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Well we really appreciate you being here. We'd love for you to share. my goodness. Todd: Yes. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, this reading this reading today is loaded up with names. Todd: I know, and I'm I'm on deck today. Carrie, we we alternate our reading. Carrie read last week. So this week is mine. It's Genesis fourteen in the message. We might as well get at it and Yo, it's Carrie: Hm. Let's go. Todd: go. if you want to hear more banter from us after this, go log into the Wildly Opinion Day news hour because it was a Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: fabulous week. Little dark on the front end, you know, moms are out there killing their kids, but Yo, it's Carrie: my gosh, it was rough. I know. It's rough. Todd: the second half we can have some fun. Yo, it's Carrie: I'm glad we have made it to today. We've made it to to Genesis. Todd: All right. Genesis fourteen. Yo, it's Carrie: Uhhuh. Todd: Abram and Lot in Genesis thirteen kind of sp split up. They'd been traveling together for a while. And Abram and it just got to be too much. They they had too many people, too many servants, too many supplies. They just couldn't be together and make it work. So Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Lot moved off towards Sodom and Gomorrah, which will Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: become bigger stories a little later on. And in this you've got some kings and in this in lot gets captured. So let's get right into it. Chapter 14, Genesis. Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: spoiler alert. Todd: Then this, and we're just gonna go after the names. I don't know. You don't know any more than I do. None of us know how to pronounce any of the names. We just go. Yo, it's Carrie: I know, sorry. We we didn't study them in advance. We apologize. Okay. Todd: Then this Amraphel, King of Shinar. Ariak, king of Elasir, Keterlamer, King of Elam, and title king of Golem of Goyam, went off to war to fight Bera, king of Sodom, Bersha, King of Gomorrah, Shinab, King of Adma, Yo, it's Carrie: Adma? Sure. Todd: Shemem or Shemember, King of Zimboyam, the king of Bella, that is Zoar. The second group of kings the attacked was Came together at the valley of Siddham, that is the Salt Sea. That's the Dead Sea. For anybody familiar at all with Palestine and and in Israel today, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: the the Jordan River flows into the Dead Sea and there's no outlet and that's people can kind of float in it because the salt level is so high. So Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Right. Todd: that's what he's talking about. the the Dead Sea's also expanded a lot. So probably where this took place is now covered in water. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: but at the time, way back then, wasn't as big. Okay. they had been under the thumb of Keterlamer for twelve years. In the thirteenth year they revolted. So Sodom and Gomorrah and this group of towns had been ruled over by this larger group of kings and they revolted. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: They'd been ruled for twelve years in the thirteenth year they revolted. In the fourteenth year, Ketarlamer and the kings allied with him set out and defeated the Raphayam in Ashtaroth Karnim, the Zuziz. The Zuzim in Ham, the Emim in Shiva Kiriathim, and the Horites in their hill country of Seir as far as El Puran on the far edge of the desert. On their way back they stock they stopped at Enpishet, that is Kadesh, and conquered the whole region of the Amalekites as well as that of the Amorites who lived in Hazan Tamar. That's when the king of Sodom marched out with the king of Gomorrah, the king of Adma, the king of Zaboim, and the King of Bella, that is Zoar, they drew up in battle formation against their enemies in the valley of Sidim, against Ketarlamer, the King of Elam, Tidal, King of Goem, Amrafel, King of Shinarn, Ariak, King of Eliasor, the four kings against five. The valley Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: of Siddom was full of tar pits. When the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, they They fell into the tar pits, but the rest escaped into the mountains. The four kings captured all the possessions of Sodom and Gomorrah, all their food and equipment, and went on their way. They captured Lot, Abraham's nephew, who was living in Sodom at the time, taking everything he owned with them. A fugitive came and reported to Abram the Hebrew. Abram was living in at the Oaks of Memur, the Amorite, brother of Eskal and Aener. They were allies of Abram. When Abram heard that his nephew had been taken prisoner, he lined up his servants, all of those born in his household, there were three hundred and eighteen of them, and chased Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: after the captors all the way to Dan. Abram and his men split into small groups and attacked by night. They chased them as far as Hoba, just north of Damascus. They recovered all the plunder along with nephew Lot and his possessions, including the women. And the people. Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Todd: After Abram returned from defeating Ketalamer and his allied kings, the king of Sodom came out to greet him in the valley of Shaba, the king's valley. Melchizedek, King of Salem, brought out bread and wine. He was priest of the high God and blessed him. Blessed be Abram by the High God, creator of heaven and earth, and blessed be the high God. Who handed your enemies over to you. Abram gave him a tenth of all the recovered plunder. The king of Sodom said to Abraham, Give me back the people, but keep all the plunder for yourself. But Abram told the King of Sodom, I swear to God, the high God, creator of heaven and earth, this solemn oath that I'll take nothing from you, not so much as a thread or a shoestring. I'm not going to have you going around saying I made Abram rich. Nothing for me other than what the young men ate and the share of the men who went with me, Ener, Eskal and Mamrah, there to get their share of the plunder. Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Woo. Good job. That's an yeah, that's a Todd: So there you go. It's a lot going on. Yo, it's Carrie: that's a big undertaking, reading wise. Okay. S it was. Todd: That's a mouthful. Carrie just said good job. It sounded a little sarcastic. I'm just kidding, guys. She said I sound sarcastic when I say she does a good job. And she does a fabulous job all the time. I really am 100% sincere about that. But if you listen to the Wildly Opinionated News Hour, on occasion I can come off a little sarcastic. Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Okay. Todd: What do you think, Gary? A lot going on. Yo, it's Carrie: There's a lot going on. So I've heard of some of these places, some of these people, but this is not a story before today I was familiar with. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: and so clear clarify for me and maybe for everyone listening to. someone came and told Abram like what had happened to Lot. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: And Abram gathered his people and they just basically went on a rescue mission. kind of freed Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: him and got back everything that they had stolen. Is that accurate? Todd: Well yeah, th so these kings, these were there four kings, they came and and and now th they've Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, attacked five. Todd: been on a year a year long campaign is what it seems like. And you know all along Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: the way they've been conquering places and wherever they go they're conquering. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Then they finally get to this kind of Dead Sea, the Salt Sea area, the plains Yo, it's Carrie: yeah. Todd: where they're gonna where then the you know, the the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah and Zoor and everybody are gonna come out and they're gonna fight And then they lose, clearly. So Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Mm-hmm. Todd: So this the Kettelamer, his his his band of kings seems to have been his army seems to have been very powerful. They Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: ruled over these kings for twelve years prior to this. They revolted in the thirteenth year, in the fourteenth year. They on their entire way down, they're capturing a bunch of territory or they're recapturing or doing whatever they do. They Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: come here and then they finish off the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah and the armies and they take everything. All the all the food, Yo, it's Carrie: You're right. Everything. Todd: all the all the Booty like a pirate. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Right. All their valuables, all their supplies, everything. Okay. Mm-hmm. Todd: Yeah. All the people, you know, they're they're taken off and enslaved to be enslaved probably, I assume, Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: and or off into exile or whatever. And lots part of that. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Okay. Todd: so the you have this this whole my guess is that this this news of these these wars and these armies on the move and everything else, I would guess that that kind news of those sorts kind of dominated the region. You know what I mean? Like if you picture watching like Game of Thrones or something and all the different things going on or House of Dragons. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Right. Yeah, they they probably would receive word that that this campaign had just struck, you know, this kingdom over here to the south or something. Is that what you're saying? They would have known about it. Yeah. Todd: Yeah. I don't think they're that much different than us. Now listen, we got we've got instant information, so we have everything. So I think we have a fascination that Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: is more easily fed. But I think Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that same fascination with political events and and and nations and and nation states that that's always been there. It's just it wasn't fed quite as instantaneously. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Yeah, it took a while, but also the travel travel took a while as well. So this was a pretty big Todd: But we we saw Yo, it's Carrie: group. Todd: I think, I mean it sounds like certainly massive Yo, it's Carrie: And so Abraham's three hundred some Todd: compared to Abraham's three hundred and eighteen and that doesn't count his allies and whatever men they had. So we don't know exactly the size of Abraham's Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Okay. I was gonna say, like this is a small number of people to go true, okay. That's right. Todd: force, but you do get the feeling that when when Melchizedek, who we're gonna spend some time on Melchizedek, which is this Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: kind of a weird thing, he kind of shows up just out of the blue and you're not gonna see him He doesn't ever show up again in an actual story. He does show up again in a psalm about the Messiah. And then in Hebrews, there's a lot of talk about Melchizedek, the high priest, as a type of Christ, the high priest. So we're going to get into all that. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: But this is the only time he shows up in an actual story Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: in the entire Bible. And Yo, it's Carrie: Okay, so he so he's only he's present here in this story, but but his like legacy his legacy lives on. Todd: Yes. Yo, it's Carrie: He's known like his stories of him were probably passed down then, if you say Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: he turned up in you said in Hebrews and in the Psalms. Is that what you're saying? Todd: yeah, I'm gonna make the case I think that Melchizedek is Jesus. A theophany of sorts. I think that's what he is. and Yo, it's Carrie: interesting. Okay. Todd: that's how he's treated in in Hebrews. So Yo, it's Carrie: Is there something you wanted to cover before we talk about this? About him? Okay. Todd: Yeah, we can well on the one side you have all this what I was trying to get to is you all this political machinations going on. And this Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Todd: kind of it it it it works a little bit with what we talked about where we do both Beers with Jesus and we do news because we we spend some time on the news of the day and on worldviews and on everything else. But Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: I think the most important thing that we do is Beers with Jesus in my opinion. I spend more time on it than anything else. I love news, but news is Pretty much improv. I went carrying I spent about an hour before noon. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. It's definitely improv it's definitely improv for me. I was gonna say I spend way more time with Jesus during the week than I do with Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: the news anymore. It is good. It is Todd: Which is good I think. I think Yo, it's Carrie: I think it's good. Todd: I think we see Abraham that was part of what I was curious about in this passage. Is Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: is Abraham in his approach to all the political machinations going on in the day, he doesn't seem very involved in all of these Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: kings and all of the you know what I mean? Like he gets involved Yo, it's Carrie: Right. I I was gonna Todd: when when it's personally affects him. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: And he'll go and he'll save, you know. W w when the right time came up, but Abraham's not trying to build a kingdom for himself, maybe, is what I'm trying to say. Yo, it's Carrie: R yes. Is he under let me let me put it this way. Is he he d obviously doesn't concern himself deeply with you know, who's it Todd: Right, but pa he doesn't seem to. Yo, it's Carrie: No. But where he is where he has set up his homestead is that under one of these kings? Okay. This is just kind of free new neutral Todd: Mm-hmm. I don't think so. No. I think he's a Yo, it's Carrie: zone. Todd: yeah, I think he's kind of his own his own man out here. I get the same feeling Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: about his his allies. You know, the the the Oaks of Mamra and the and you had Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Mm-hmm. Todd: Eskol and Aynor. I get the feeling that that they were, you know, they they were not part of these kingdoms. Like Lot had had chosen the plains last week. Remember? Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: And Lot a as a man of Sodom, it becomes clear he was under he was he was part of this kingdom of Sodom. I mean that's why he's taken that's why he's out there fighting with them. You know what I mean? He's Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Todd: he considers like we consider ourselves an American. So if America goes to war, we're going to war. If we get captured, we get capped you know, if you're POW Yo, it's Carrie: Barbara. Todd: captured under the American flag. I think that's Lot. Lot was part of Sodom. He was a respected Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: I don't know how much time had passed at this point, probably a fair amount. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: He's a respected elder in Sodom. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And Sodom revolts. Lot's part of that. Sodom loses. These kings lose. Lot becomes part of the losers and the prisoners and everything gets taken. You know what I mean? So Lot, I think, was a lot more Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: involved in world affairs than Abram is my point. It seems like. Yo, it's Carrie: And this is at least fourteen years later, it sounds like. Well, at least since this since this fighting was going on. Okay. Okay. Todd: It's been a while, yeah. So I think that's interesting. I think that's interesting. I don't know I we we occasionally will throw out a term like the Christian nationalist. I don't really know what it means because it seems to be a little bit hard to get a handle on to me. But but it yeah, but it does Yo, it's Carrie: A Christian nationalist. You talk about today in twenty twenty six? Todd: seem like they they they care more about political ends than Yo, it's Carrie: I see. Todd: Then then maybe we have classically or whatever. You know what I mean? Or Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Okay. Todd: I don't know. What do you think? Do you it I it makes me wonder if if if the way that Abraham is kind of living kind of apart and he so he's separate and he's apart from the culture, but he still is part of the culture and and Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: at certain times and in certain seasons he's gotta come in and it seems like rescue that very culture that he isn't even that much a part of. Do you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't know. I think I think that Abe Abram at this point knows that his mission here, his purpose is led by God. God's told him, I I mean he's led him to hear. He's told him he's made promises to him about what he's gonna do with his future. So I don't know, maybe you just be like, you know, if you heard about These kings are over here doing this. Abram's probably like, That just doesn't concern me. Todd: Yeah, that's the that's the impression I get. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: That that even when he goes to Egypt and he has the thing with Sarah's wife and then he's gonna he's gonna do it again, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: it still doesn't seem it never seems like Abraham's part of Egypt. He's not part of Egypt like Joseph is eventually at the end Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: of Genesis. You know what mean? Abraham lives a life set apart. He's he's been called Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: by God. God's gonna make a nation out of him, he's left his country, he's left his family, God's emptied him. And God isn't God isn't concerned all that much with the political stuff going on around Abram. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: His focus is on Abram. Now, when it comes time for Abram to go rescue Lot, he does it. And as Christians, there may come times where we're called to go rescue our culture or whatever. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And and and we do that, but that's not our primary focus. Does that make sense? So we don't get up, you don't go to church and Yo, it's Carrie: Sure, this is urgent. Todd: expect to hear. Trump rally. Make sense? But we've mixed that up so Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. You're separate yeah, you're separate. Yeah, we do. That's interesting. That's interesting. Maybe it's just with like in our culture again, this is kind of more of a news topic, but how politics and the culture around our political divides kind of has bled into, kind of seeped into every area of our lives. Todd: It has. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, it's kind of like cast this shadow over everything. And it's almost like that you know how we say all the time, like, man, like this is being politicized. This isn't really a political issue. Everything Todd: Everything is being blown. Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: is. So yeah, it's almost like it's just casting this wide shadow over everything. this is a good reminder that you can just get involved when it's when it's really important. Abram, it doesn't have to it doesn't have to be ruling your life. God should be Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: leading your life, not whatever king is battling for another you know, expanding their kingdom. Todd: Yeah. No, I I agree. And Abraham Abraham Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. But I mean obviously Todd: seems to have so little interest. It in fact I wouldn't even say that he doesn't have a lot of interest. That's Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: actually how I would describe Jesus. If you read the gospels, I would describe Jesus as being singularly uninterested in anything that resembles Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: the political or or the or the the work of the world. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Like he gives it no weight at all. Nope. Yeah, it's like yeah. It's kinda funny. Todd: It just doesn't seem to to penetrate. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I it I I think that's true. The the in Jesus you just don't you don't see a lot of that. I do think Yo, it's Carrie: I mean we could do that today, but I think you also have to be responsible. But, you know, we're not Jesus. Todd: I just think Abraham's a good example of keeping of keeping the focus where it needs to be, while at times Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: needing to make forays into the political Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and when you do, hopefully you're successful. That's what Abraham was. You know what I mean? Hopefully you can rescue Yo, it's Carrie: Mm hmm So Todd: who you're after. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. And according to the priest, it was like God blessed him with the Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: victory, which was interesting. Okay, okay. Todd: Now I want to talk. Let's talk Melchizedek. Melchizedek, the Jewish there's Jewish traditions that believe Melchizedek was Shem, which would have probably made Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: him the oldest person living on the earth at that point. That would have been Noah's sons. Yeah. And if you look, Yo, it's Carrie: Is that one of Noah's son? Okay. Todd: he lived he lived a long time and he did probably overlap this far. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: It doesn't seem like Shem to me. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: But We you you gotta start with that it's a Jewish tradition. A lot Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: of these books were Jewish books, so so you wanna give some but at the same time you gotta remember that the Jews killed Jesus. Jews are not big Jesus fans, is my point. So if Melchizedek was Jesus or was a type of Jesus, the Jews might miss that. There's a distinct possibility. Yo, it's Carrie: got it. Well, I think you've already answered my question when he's talking about being a priest, priest of the high God. It's like is he a Jewish priest and and they're talking about but I mean they're talking Todd: He seems to be completely no. Yo, it's Carrie: about God like the God we talk about. Todd: Yeah, but he the Melchizedek uses a term that that isn't used I don't think anywhere else and it wasn't used by Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: Abraham before, which is the high God. It's like in in Hebrew it's El El Yon or something. And Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: and Abraham had known God and interacted with God as Yahweh, Jehovah. That was kind of the the Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Okay. Todd: the what the how the Jews knew God. Melchizedek seems to be s a representative of the most high God, but But outside of Judaism, he's he's not he's not part of that tradition. Do you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Okay. Todd: It's real interesting because it says Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: after Abraham returned from defeating Ketalamer and the and the Allied kings, the King Sodom came out and meets them. So so they meet at this Valley of the Kings. And what I think is interesting is you said, did Abraham w was he living or functioning under the the rulership of a king or a nation state or something at the time? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: I don't think he was, but you know, I think he I think that because he was Living in God's kingdom, I think he recognized Melchizedek as God's high priest. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Okay. Todd: It says he gave a tithe to Melchizedek, which would generally have meant a tenth like a tenth of the plunder or whatever, like ten percent. But Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Right. Todd: this is the only time we ever see Abraham Abram do this. Jacob also does it once. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: And what it seems like that would have been a normal tribute at the time. to pay to a king. So Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: I think that what's what's being shown here is that Abraham recognizes Melchizedek as his high priest, the high God, as a king under the high God. Yo, it's Carrie: Interesting. And I I wanted to say also I forgot that he's also called the King of Salem here, Melchizedek. Todd: He is. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. So yeah, so the ten percent is like maybe at that time a customary payment to honor who you would recognize as your ruler. Todd: Yeah, and I think that's why I think that's why Abraham did it. But the but the in three verses there's a couple things that that are interesting. He brings out the bread Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: and the wine. We know, you know, especially as a Catholic, Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: how integral th those become Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: to both Judaism and to Christianity going forward. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Jesus breaks the bread and and Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and the cup, and this is my body, do this in remembrance of me, right? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: So so so there's some there's some right out of the gate in just a tiny little story. There's a bunch of things that would that would seem to identify Melchizedek with the Messiah. Okay, let's go. I Yo, it's Carrie: Interesting. Okay. Todd: we don't often go super deep on some biblical things, but I want to run through just a couple chapters. The Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: Melchizedek neck next comes up in Psalm 110, which is a psalm written by David about the Messiah. And I'll read the first it it's into the fourth verses. So the Psalm one ten begins the word of God to my Lord, sit alongside me here on my throne until I make your enemies a stool for your feet. So this is God talking to Jesus is the idea, the Messiah. You were forged a strong scepter by God of Zion. Now rule, surrounded those surrounded by enemies. Your people will freely join you, resplendent in holy armor on the great day of your conquest. Join you at the fresh break of day, join you with all the vigor of youth. God gave his word and he won't take it back. You're the permanent priest, the Melchizedek priest. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: The Lord stands true at your side, crushing kings in his terrible wrath, bringing judgment on the nations, handing out convictions wholesale, crushing opposition across the wide earth. The king maker put his king on the throne, the true king rules with head hell head. So that's Psalm one ten. And he says that Yo, it's Carrie: Interesting. Todd: the Messiah is a permanent priest, the Melchizedek priest. Okay. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay, interesting. Todd: Now we're gonna go to re to Hebrews. These are basically Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: where it talks about Melchizedek elsewhere in the Bible, from this little three-verse Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: story. The author of Hebrews, in where's it at? He starts in in chapter five. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And he says, okay. No one elects himself to dishonored position. He's called to it by God as Aaron was. He's talking about a high priest. Hebrews Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: is where we get this idea of of Jesus as our high priest interceding and representing us to God. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: And and where where he he was tempted like we are except without sin. So we have a high priest who's touched by our iniquities, he's touched by our failures. He has grace for us because he's one of us, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: is the idea. Yo, it's Carrie: Got it. Todd: So towards the beginning of chapter five says, Neither did Christ presume to set himself up as high priest, but was set apart as the one who said to him, by the one who said to him, You're my spir, today I celebrate you. In another place God declares you're a priest forever in the royal order of Mekit Melchizedek. While he lived on earth anticipating death, Jesus cried out in pain and wept in sorrow as he offered up priestly prayers to God. Because he honored God, God answered him. Though he was God's son, he learned trusting obedience by what he suffered, just as we do. We've read that verse before. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Then, having arrived at the full stature of his maturity and having been announced by God as high priest in the order of Melchizedek, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who believingly obey him. Then we got He's gonna say, listen, I got a lot more to say to you about this. And he's gonna spend about a chapter and a half talking about how he just wishes they could say it, but they're too stupid. They don't understand enough about God yet for him to get to get into all this. If only they were if only they were more now. That's kind of how he gets into it for a little while. Kind Yo, it's Carrie: That's funny. Todd: of blasts them out for for being like like they should be more mature in the word than they are. He should be able Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: to go over more than he can with them, kinda. We don't know who the author Yo, it's Carrie: Who is it Todd: of Hebrews is. Yo, it's Carrie: thank you, I was gonna say, who is the author of Hebrews? All right. Todd: We don't know. probably what got it in the canon is the belief that Paul was the author, but now I think by and large scholars don't believe Paul was, because if so, it would be the only letter he never signed. And then there's some there's some other things that don't really read like Paul. Anyway, back Yo, it's Carrie: it's not consistent mm hmm with this others. Okay. Interesting. Okay. Todd: to chapter seven. We get back in Hebrews chapter seven, we're back to Melchizedek again. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: So there's way more about Melchizedek in Hebrews than there is in Genesis. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: But the only story in the whole Bible is the three verses that we read in Genesis. Okay, so Hebrews Yo, it's Carrie: Right. This is really interesting. Todd: 7. Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of the highest God. He met Abram, Abraham, it says, who Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: was returning from the royal massacre and gave him blessing. Abraham in turn gave him a tenth of the spoils. Melchizedek means king of righteousness. Salem means peace. So he is also. King of peace. You see where I'm getting here? Who's this sound like? Yo, it's Carrie: Making a piece. Yes. Interesting. Todd: Melchizedek towers out of the past without record of family ties, no account of beginning or end. Who's that sound like? See what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: In this way he is like the Son of God, one huge priestly presence dominating the landscape always. You realize just how great Melchizedek is when you see that the fat that Father Abraham gave him a tenth of the captured treasure. Priests descended from Levi are commanded by law to collect tithes from the people. So now he's talking about the Jewish religion, which came after Abraham, obviously. It wasn't until Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Okay. Todd: Moses. to collect tithes from the people, even though they are all more or less equals. Priests and people having a common father in Abraham. But this man talking about Melchizedek. A complete outsider collected tithes from Abraham and blessed him, the one to whom the promise the promises had been given. In acts of blessing the lesser is blessed by the greater. How many people are in Jewish history greater than Abraham or looked at as greater than Abraham? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Or look at it this way, we pay our tithes to priests who die, but Abraham paid tithes to a priest who the scripture says lives. Ultimately, you could even say that since Levi descended from Abraham who paid tithes to Melchizedek, when we pay tithes to the priestly tribe of Levi, they end up with Melchizedek. Yo, it's Carrie: Hmm. Okay. Todd: and then he's gonna go on. I'm gonna skip a few verses, but the Melchizedek Yo, it's Carrie: The Todd: story provides a perfect analogy. Jesus, a priest like Melchizedek, not by genealogical descent, but by the sheer force of resurrection life, he lives, priest forever in the royal order of Melchizedek. The former way of doing things, a system of commandments that never worked out the way it was supposed to, was set aside. The law brought nothing to maturity. Another way, Jesus, a way that does work, that brings us right into the presence of God, is put in its place. I I think I've read almost everything the Bible has to say about Melchizedek to you. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Melchizedek is is different. The entire all of Hebrews centers around the writer telling us how much greater Jesus is than Abraham, than Jacob, than all these patriarchs of the Bible. There's only Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: one person that it talks about as being as great or great on a level with Christ, and it's Melchizedek. I think Melchizedek was Jesus. I think. Yo, it's Carrie: Interesting. Very interesting. Todd: And what I what I wondered as I read this is if there was a Kind of another bookend thing that we talk to. We had Babel in chapter Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Okay. Todd: 11, Genesis chapter 11, where the drive of men is to build their way to God. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And then we have Abram. And what we see with Abram, and we see it with Melchizedek, we're going to see it again. It's not named Melchizedek, but God shows up. We see God coming down to man. We see God Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: coming to Abraham. It's not about us making our way to God, it's about God descending to. To us, and that's the story of Jesus. That's why I feel like all Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: of this whole Melchizedek thing, I think, is is Jesus right at the front end, right? Before Jesus predates Judaism. Before Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: God ever made a great nation, before the kings, before the law, before the sacrifices, Jesus was there. He's not an afterthought. This was the way. This was plan A the whole time, I guess is my point. What do you think, Carrie? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: Now that I've Pontificated. Scary Stern. Yo, it's Carrie: Well, I'm f no, I'm fascinated. I feel like the biggest supporting references are the bread and the wine, that he's the king of Salem and Salem means peace, king of peace. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: I mean that's I don't know, that's pretty compelling. I like it. Todd: Yeah, I just Yo, it's Carrie: And I think too Todd: And he brings refreshment to us. That's even to Abraham. If you'll notice, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Melch Melchizedek isn't involved in the battles, even though it says God handed his his enemies over to him. But but Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Jesus shows up after Abraham has has has fought the battle, after he's won the battle, and he shows up with refreshments, with fellowship, maybe. I think that's kind of how to look at at bread and wine. Whenever whenever Jesus shows up with bread and wine, why is it that God He walked with Adam and Eve in the cool of the garden. There's something about God that wants fellowship. That was the point of the whole thing. And I think that bread and wine eating together, I think that kind of represents that fellowship, you know? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. I was thinking that I was thinking that it was Mel Melchizedek who said to give me the people but keep the plunder, but that was actually yeah, Todd: That was solemn. Yo, it's Carrie: the Kling Sodom. Todd: And and you get a really strong juxtaposition, a difference in attitudes between Abraham's deference and you could almost say worship. It doesn't Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: really say worship, but but the way that he treats Melchizedek, the king of Salem, compared to how Yo, it's Carrie: The respect. Todd: he treats the king of Sodom. He doesn't seem to have anything but contempt for the king of Sodom. I don't want you, I don't want any of your stuff, I don't want anything to do with you, I don't want you. Going around talking to anybody saying I had anything to do with you or you had anything to do with making me rich. Like that's a big change in how Abraham is Yo, it's Carrie: Well, I'm glad you Todd: addressing the one compared to the other. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. I'm glad you brought that up because I I didn't understand where that came from. I mean it didn't especially it didn't sound especially angry when you read it, but like you said, contrasting with the way he interacts with Melchizedek compared to, you know, that is it's so different. Todd: And knowing what's coming for Sodom and Gomorrah. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. I mean, yeah. We yeah, we know. Mm-hmm. Todd: Down the road, we're gonna see. My only point in this is once we finally get there, I think Abraham, I don't think we talked about this last week. I don't think Abraham would have gone in the direction of the plains in Sodom and Gomorrah. I don't think he was interested in it. Lot was. Yo, it's Carrie: No. Mm-mm. Mm-hmm. Todd: Lot was captivated by such things. I think Abraham knew Sodom and Gomorrah for what they were, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and was wanted nothing Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: to nothing at all to do with them. And so you you kinda get that. I think that that it shows a good picture. So besides the Melchizedek Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: thing and Jesus, I think that's the biggest part is God coming down and kind of God Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: putting his stamp on Abram. Abram is my Abram's my man. All of Yo, it's Carrie: Right. And Todd: this political BS going on, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: not a whole lot of worry and concern about any of that. But Abram. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. It's another example of Abram resisting all of the world all of the worldly influences. He doesn't Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: want he he doesn't want valuables out of this. It's just Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: it's just not where his values are rooted. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Ab Abram is focused on on higher things. Todd: Right. So I I don't know. What do you think, Gary? That's kind of what I what I was taking out of the I and and it it was those two things. It was the fact that Yo, it's Carrie: That's really interesting. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Todd: that God's showing up. I think Jesus is showing up right away, and I think that's real important. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Because it's it's it's important for people to understand that Jesus, the cross, all of this predates Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Judaism and it predates Israel and it predates the law. Like this was this was the original plan right from the beginning. Right from Eden. Yo, it's Carrie: Well right. I mean yeah. It's it's we it's weird to think of it that way as predating Eden, the Garden of Eden. Todd: I think it was though, 'cause God isn't bound by time, you know? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. I was gonna say through our chronological lens, it seems weird. Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: But it's also difficult for us to understand that Jesus and God are are one but separate. And so but it makes sense if you can if you can kind of peer through that challenge, that Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: earth you know, the earthly challenge to see it that way. It makes sense. It makes sense that Jesus has been a part of this from the beginning. Todd: Well John says in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God, and without the Word nothing was made that was made. Like Jesus is right there at creation. You know what I mean? So Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: and the spirit, of course, the spirit's there hovering over the the the chaos, the watery chaos at the beginning of Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: Genesis. Yo, it's Carrie: And the fact that we're told we are made in God's image, that Todd: Mm-hmm. Yo, it's Carrie: makes sense of Jesus' existence also. Todd: Yeah, a hundred percent. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: That incarnation, like we've talked about last week, it it Yo, it's Carrie: Incarnation. Mm-hmm. Todd: echoes it echoes all the way back in the story. That's where I think you see I Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Interesting. Todd: think when I think when when God shows up and wrestles with Jacob, I think that that's a theophany. I think it's a it's a pr they call it a pre incarnate appearance of Christ, kind of Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Todd: in the story. So it yeah, I think it's cool. And I also think the other thing about this Yo, it's Carrie: Interesting. It is cool. Mm-hmm. Todd: I think there's I don't know if a warning is the right word, but but there's something Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: to consider when it comes to like I said, we had the the the two halves of the chapter and you've got all the political and all the nation states and everything that all the world is worried about is happening on this end. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: then I I think there's something with a Christian that our our paths are gonna cross that, but don't make don't make Mega Christianity. Is that fair? Do you know what I mean? Like, Yo, it's Carrie: yeah. sure. Todd: like, don't you your paths will cross sometimes, but that's not our Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: purpose. Our purpose is not the political. Go back and read the gospels. Jesus' path occasionally crossed, although not till almost he's towards the end when they're getting ready to kill him. Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: It actually usually clashed. Todd: So it we're on different tracks. I think I think I think it's that's good to remember from Hebrews too, because from that Hebrews Hall of Faith, you know, Hebrews eleven, we go back to that a lot. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: we were in Hebrews already, but when it says that that through acts of faith they toppled kingdoms, made justice work, took the promises for themselves. They were protected from lions, fires, sword thrusts. Turned disadvantaged to advantage, won battles, routed alien armies, women received their loved ones back from the dead. Were there were those who under torture refused to give in and go free, preferring something better? Resurrection. Others braved abuse and whips, and yes, chains and dungeons. We have stories of those who were stoned, sawn into, sawed into, murdered in cold blood, stories of vagrants wandering the earth in animal skins, homeless, friendless, powerless. The world didn't deserve them, making their way as best they could on the cruel edges of the world. That's the world didn't deserve Abraham. All of this you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Making their way Say that again, making their way on the cruel edges of the world. Mm. Todd: Yeah. Not one of these people, even though their lives of faith were exemplary, got their hands on what was promised. God had a better plan for us that their faith and our faith would come together to make one completed whole, their lives of faith not complete apart from ours, because Jesus is the center and the focus of all of it. Their faith was looking forward to Jesus, our faith is looking back to Jesus, but it's all one whole. It's all Melchized, it's all Jesus in the order of Melchizedek. He lives. What do you think? Yo, it's Carrie: Well said. Todd: That's what I get out of this chapter. Did I miss anything? Yo, it's Carrie: I just no, I just I just really like that line. That was in that's from Hebrews eleven. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: About them making their way on the cruel edges of the world. Because, you know, I mean we talk about it week to week. We say what what can we get from this? And and it's it's hard sometimes. It's hard to be in this world, to function in this world. Hmm. But not of it. Yes, yes. Todd: Not of it. But not of it. Isn't that what Paul says? Be in the world, but not of it. Yo, it's Carrie: Not of it. And it's that's a challenge always and it's hard not to get, you know, sucked in. I also don't mm. Right. Todd: You can kind of see it in Abraham a little bit. He did a pretty good job or Abram. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. And I don't like to look at the at the world that way. I don't like to I don't like to look at the world completely cynically and say that it's it's all cruel and evil and and bad. I don't think it is. I think there's a lot of good in the world. But you can certainly get s yourself sucked into those things, into the darkness. And so I like I like the idea that we can make our way. Like we can make our way on Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: the edges of it, you know? Todd: And even in the midst of the world and in the midst of that conflict, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Jesus will show up and he'll show up in times of refreshment. He's gonna show up with the bread and the wine. You know what I mean? And and then Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Todd: and I think I like Abraham giving him a tenth of the plunder because it it shows Abraham saying to Melchizedek, to the high God, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: There's no king but you. There's no king but Jesus. My king is you. You know what I'm on? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Right. Todd: And then and then to go right into absolute just I think disdain for the king of Sodom. I think he just I Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, that's so interesting. Todd: think that that juxtaposition is just it's so it's so good. It shows that Abraham values what matters. And we we have such a hard time getting hung up because we see what goes on around us and we think this this has this is the most important thing. I often think if you were to if if you had a good view of the of the politics and the the hot topics at the time of Jesus, you'd think, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: my God, how could how could Jesus have not addressed any of these things? It's like he didn't even care. You know what I mean? It's because he had bigger fish to fry. And we sometimes get Yo, it's Carrie: Yes, I do. I do. Todd: caught up with the political and and this temporal world being the most important maybe. Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Right. So one more thing about his disdain, as you said, for Sodom. When he denounces, you know, he really makes his feelings known. He's so emphatic about it. He says, Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: I swear to God, the high God, creator of heaven and earth, the solemn oath, like he he lays it on pretty thick. Todd: I think part of that is he wants it to make it known I'm not part of your coalition. Like I Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: did this and I rescued my nephew Lot. Yo, it's Carrie: Nephew. Mm-hmm. Todd: But I'm not part of your group, bud. I and I don't want you to think I am. But Yo, it's Carrie: Right. He doesn't want him going back and proclaiming how wonderful Abram is to his people like he battled on our behalf and mm mm. Todd: But he's not, yeah, he doesn't want to be able, he doesn't want to his the king of Sodom to be able to go say to the people, well look, I'm friends with Abram. No, that's not that's Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: not the point, you know? And so I think but then then to come right back with Melchizedek and just and just he's not my my point in that, I get into this sometimes Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: because I'm a highly disagreeable person, is Abraham isn't just disagreeable to all kings when the high king, the the high priest of the high king is there. Abraham is willing to submit and willing to bow the bow the knee and say, you know what, God, Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: this is how you're leading. So there's a humility in it. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Where where he feels it aligns with what's right. Mm-hmm. Right. Interesting. Todd: Right. But but these kings in the natural order who lord their authority over their people and whatever, he has zero interest in any of them. I feel like Abraham's attitude probably mirrors Jesus' attitude and you know what I mean? Just not interested. Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. No thanks. That's great. Todd: Well, I think we did good, Carrie. What do you think? Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, thank you for thank you for taking us down that Melchizedek road 'cause I've I'm not familiar with the name. Sounds like he's mentioned a few other times, but it's not one that I've said. Todd: But that's it. Yeah, it's kind of a weird it's weird. What's interesting is how much of an emphasis the he the writer of Hebrews puts on him. 'Cause we got Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: this little three verse story and then we got one little mention in Psalms Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and then the writer of Hebrews just wraps this whole thing and all of a sudden you realize this Melchizedek guy, he really mattered. Like Yo, it's Carrie: Right. And at one point when you read about him, it sounded like maybe they were making it a metaphor, but it's like, why would you make a metaphor out of someone so s so Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: s minor, so minor in the in Genesis if he wasn't minor. Or if he was rather. I think it's an indicator that he was not, is my point. Todd: I agree. Yo, it's Carrie: that's really interesting. I'm curious who the AI overview said the o says the author of Hebrews is. Todd: There's a couple options. you know, Priscilla and Aquila were hung out with Paul Aquinas or not Aquinas, like he was a Catholic guy. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: I'm I'm forgetting one. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: there's a couple different options, but Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: and I I suppose it could have been Paul, although it'd be weird if it was Paul. just because it wouldn't line up with the rest of Paul's writings very well. Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: Be like reading a bunch of books by Stephen King and then like you got a John Grisham thrown in and you're like, This doesn't really sound like Stephen King. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Got it. And why didn't he sign it? Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, this is interesting. Well Todd: Well guys, thank you for joining us. I think we did a great job today, Carrie. I think you did great. Yo, it's Carrie: You Todd: Not sarcastic at all. I think you did fabulous. Yo, it's Carrie: I think you could fit no seriously, sincerely thank you for the for that insight into that into that aspect of it. That's it that's I'm pretty curious about that stuff. Because I love it when people draw parallels through the Bi you know, Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: draw connections through the Bible. That's interesting. Todd: There's a lot going on. Do you ever see that was it Jordan Peterson who has that big huge graphic and it's like the Bible's the first hyperlinked thing and he has all these links all the way through? Yeah, it's wild. So yeah. Well, listen, guys, thank you for joining us. Come back next week. Same time, Yo, it's Carrie: The chart Yes It's awesome. It's beautiful. Yep, it's cool. Thank you so much for being here. Share with a friend. Todd: same place, beers with Jesus. chapter fifteen next week. We're pretty we're Yo, it's Carrie: All right. Todd: pretty basic. It's not hard to figure out our pattern. It's a story after all. Yo, it's Carrie: We're going in order. We're going in order. That's great. Thanks, Doug. Mm-hmm. Todd: And check out news if you haven't. Wildly opinionated news hour and then toddsworld.net is where you'll find the books and stuff. So awesome. Thanks, Carrie. We will be back next week. You too. Yo, it's Carrie: Thank you. Good seeing you. We'll be hopefully fully all fully healed. We played hurt this Todd: That's right. Yo, it's Carrie: week. Todd: Maybe my eye won't be the beginning of bells palsy or something. All right. Thanks guys. We'll see you next week. Thanks, Gary. Yo, it's Carrie: Poor thing. All right. Thank you. Bye.