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Joe Rogan Experience _2246 - James Fox(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very good time to have a UFO expert in.
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  Speaker 1: A lot has been going on.
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  Speaker 3: This is, you know, I had, I know you ran
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  Speaker 3: into him. I had Ryan Graves on yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. I'll tell you the funny story of
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  Speaker 1: how I ran into him.
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  Speaker 3: You ran into him in the lobby of the hotel, right?
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  Speaker 1: So the lobby told me, they're all, don't use this
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  Speaker 1: one elevator. It's really rickety. And it makes a lot
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  Speaker 1: of noise and it's just, it's not very reliable and
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  Speaker 1: just don't use it. So I didn't. And then I
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  Speaker 1: was leaving 24 hours later to come down and get
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  Speaker 1: some coffee. And I was like, ah, fuck it. Let
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  Speaker 1: me take the rickety elevator. I was like, they told
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  Speaker 1: me not to take it, but I'm going to take
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  Speaker 1: it anyway. So I pushed the button. I'm standing there.
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  Speaker 1: I hear this. The doors open. I look, I see
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  Speaker 1: the shadowy figure of the corner. I'm like, Ryan Graves?
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  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: He goes, I don't know. What are you doing? I
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  Speaker 1: was like, are you doing what I think you're doing?
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  Speaker 1: He goes, yeah. Did he tell you that?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, he did. He told me he ran into you.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't tell me the whole story about the rickety elephant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And he was like this shadowy figure up
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  Speaker 1: against the corner, like, kind of just, you know, looking
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  Speaker 1: at him. He was looking at me. It was really funny.
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  Speaker 3: We had a lot of, we talked a lot of
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  Speaker 3: nonsense about aliens. But we also talked about the technology
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  Speaker 3: that he knows is state of the art when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to drones.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And that some of these ones in New Jersey, they're
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  Speaker 3: doing things that you can't really do yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Which is really fascinating because it's like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a size of SUVs. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So is it ours? And we somehow or another have
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  Speaker 3: some stuff that the mainstream drone manufacturers at the highest
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  Speaker 3: level aren't aware of yet. Is it ours? Is it
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  Speaker 3: like some crazy military stuff? Because if it's not, and
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  Speaker 3: it's coming from the ocean, what do you mean it's coming?
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  Speaker 3: What the fuck do you? 50 of them. What do
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  Speaker 3: you mean? What do you mean 50 suburban-sized.
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  Speaker 1: UFOs are coming out of the ocean? This is really funny.
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  Speaker 1: I've been working with this guy. We've been communicating on
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  Speaker 1: the signal for a long time. Actually, he was through Proton.
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  Speaker 1: He was emailing me stuff about Virginia, the UFO crash
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  Speaker 1: in Virginia. But he was anonymous. One day I was like,
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  Speaker 1: he's really knowledgeable. And he was sending me stuff that
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  Speaker 1: was really helpful. Like you should track down this flight
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  Speaker 1: because if it happened, it was going to this airport,
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  Speaker 1: go to this base. And I was like, finally one
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  Speaker 1: day I was like, who are you? And how do
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  Speaker 1: you know what you know? He goes, I'm a retired
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  Speaker 1: United States Air Force colonel. I was like, oh. And
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  Speaker 1: he goes, and I'm also an experiencer. I had an
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  Speaker 1: experience back in 1980, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, what happened to him?
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  Speaker 1: He had a UFO encounter. It's in the movie towards
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  Speaker 1: the end. But anyway, he texted me yesterday and he goes, James,
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  Speaker 1: I really want you to explain to me how the
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  Speaker 1: hell you orchestrated a UAP invasion right around the time
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  Speaker 1: your film's coming out. I was like, I'd really like
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  Speaker 1: to know how you did that. I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: know I could.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what kind of a budget you would
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  Speaker 3: have to have to have drones running in the sky
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  Speaker 3: all over? How many different cities are reporting it now? Like,
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  Speaker 3: what's the numbers?
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  Speaker 1: It's exploding all over the place, and it's getting bigger.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard California. I've heard Europe now. Bases in England,
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  Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard San Diego. Wasn't there something in Ohio, right?
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  Speaker 3: Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, they had to shut that place down.
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  Speaker 3: That's Ohio. So I've heard New Jersey. I think Florida, right?
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  Speaker 3: That was the one that Ryan Graves showed us a
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  Speaker 3: photo of. That was from Florida. So, like, who fucking,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on? Who fucking knows?
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  Speaker 1: I was super busy. I had the release of the
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  Speaker 1: film going on, and so I was trying to focus
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  Speaker 1: on that and getting everything lined up, and it was
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  Speaker 1: a huge push. And all these text messages from all
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  Speaker 1: around the world are pouring in, like, what the hell's
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  Speaker 1: going on with these drones? And I was like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably something conventional. I'm not going to worry about
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  Speaker 1: it right now. I'm just going to keep on focusing
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  Speaker 1: what I got at hand here. And then I started
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  Speaker 1: getting more information coming in, more information. Then a buddy
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  Speaker 1: of mine called me, and he actually went to Brazil
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  Speaker 1: with me a couple years ago, and he's like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: I live here. I'm seeing these things in the sky.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen them seven times now. They're the size of
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  Speaker 1: an SUV. I was like, well, what do they look like?
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  Speaker 1: What do they behave like? He's like, well, they're making noise.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, well, that quickly kind of eliminates...
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  Speaker 1: you know, something non-conventional in terms of propulsion, but then
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  Speaker 1: I got reports of objects that didn't make any noise
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  Speaker 1: and that would go silent.
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  Speaker 3: Do you say what kind of noise it was making?
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  Speaker 1: Like a propeller's drones would make, but loud, and they
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  Speaker 1: have a loiter, but they're big, and they have a
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  Speaker 1: loiter time of hours. The average drone, like I fly
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  Speaker 1: drones for my films, is like, you're lucky to get
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  Speaker 1: 25 minutes. These things are there for hours.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, five hours at a time.
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  Speaker 1: They go dark. when they're approached by other objects. They're
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  Speaker 1: not getting picked up on FLIR at times. And then
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  Speaker 1: some of them have no noise. I've heard crescent-shaped. And
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  Speaker 1: then I heard about the ones that really got me
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  Speaker 1: because I contacted Christopher Mellon. I was like, Chris, what
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  Speaker 1: is going on, buddy? I really rely on him for
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  Speaker 1: good information. And he's like, I really don't know, man.
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  Speaker 1: It's a real shit show. And the U.S. government seems
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  Speaker 1: to be clueless right now. He goes, some of them
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  Speaker 1: are conventional. Some of them are misidentified conventional crap. But
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  Speaker 1: there are other ones coming in off the ocean that
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  Speaker 1: are up to 50. The Coast Guard and Police Department
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  Speaker 1: are reporting that truly remain a mystery. And then you
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  Speaker 1: had Schumer at a press conference just like it was yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: And then he's going, he's like, we don't know what
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  Speaker 1: they are. We don't know what they are. And the
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  Speaker 1: guy goes, yeah, so it's a UAP. He goes, well,
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  Speaker 1: the drones. He goes, well, you wrote the legislation. It's
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  Speaker 1: a UAP. It's Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon. Why don't you just
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  Speaker 1: use UAP? I think they're using the word drone because
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  Speaker 1: UAP is almost too scary. Like something's got invasions happening.
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  Speaker 3: That's what UAP is, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon? Yeah. Couldn't that
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  Speaker 3: be kind of anything? It doesn't even mean flying.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing because it used to be Unidentified Aerial. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it was UFO, Unidentified Flying Object. Then it was UAP,
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  Speaker 1: Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. phenomenon, but then they're coming out of
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  Speaker 1: the water, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like this is nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: So they said anomalous.
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  Speaker 3: Why don't they just keep using UFO?
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  Speaker 1: Because it has, because people associate UFO with otherworldly and
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to take that, remove that baggage and make
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  Speaker 1: it a little less scary. That's my personal opinion.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of get that, but also it's just an
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  Speaker 3: unidentified flying object. If we find out what it is,
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  Speaker 3: then it becomes an identified flying object. It doesn't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: mean it's alien. True, but... Like, think of the stealth bomber.
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  Speaker 1: People are probably jumping out of their windows right now
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  Speaker 1: if they said UFOs are invading the East Coast. You
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  Speaker 1: remember World of Worlds? Right, that's true. People were, like,
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  Speaker 1: jumping out of their windows. That's a good point.
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  Speaker 3: That's actually a very good point.
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  Speaker 1: So I think they toned it down. I think they're
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  Speaker 1: using the word drone, even though they're unidentified, just because...
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  Speaker 1: Of the fear factor. I think the fear factor is real.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I can't help but cringe when I hear that word.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry. The fear element. It's so funny.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry. It was too much of a part of my life.
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  Speaker 1: Too close to home.
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  Speaker 3: So when did they start? Like what was, when was
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  Speaker 3: it acknowledged that this was an issue that was reoccurring recently? Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, obviously there's always been something in the sky.
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  Speaker 3: People have always seen things. Who knows what they are,
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  Speaker 3: whether or not they're, you know, a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: see Starlink and they think.
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  Speaker 1: It's UFOs, right? Yeah, yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 3: But when did this drone thing that we're currently experiencing
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  Speaker 3: basically every day, when did it start?
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  Speaker 1: A couple weeks ago. Just a few weeks ago. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: a month ago. That's when I started really hearing about it.
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  Speaker 3: Jamie, is there like any sort of official answer to that?
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  Speaker 1: I have something that. 20th, 19th, something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I have something that, this is about an airbase in
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  Speaker 1: Vandenberg Air Force Base in 2003. And this is not
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  Speaker 1: an anonymous, but this is about incursions over, listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: I promised this individual that I met at Seoul conference.
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  Speaker 1: He's a witness. He's a military guy. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Nusatelli. I served 16 years in the United States
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  Speaker 1: Air Force as a technical sergeant and a military police officer.
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  Speaker 1: In October, 2003, my coworkers and I witnessed a series
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  Speaker 1: of extraordinary UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.
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  Speaker 1: The initial event is known as the Vandenberg Red Square,
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  Speaker 1: and it was first mentioned during the historic UAP hearing
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  Speaker 1: held in 2023. The case involved Boeing contractors who witnessed
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  Speaker 1: a huge red square-shaped object roughly the size of a
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  Speaker 1: football field hovering over a missile defense system. The object
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  Speaker 1: was silent and had no visible means of propulsion. The
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  Speaker 1: contractors watched in amazement. as the massive object slowly drifted
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  Speaker 1: east and vanished over the hills. I retained official Air
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  Speaker 1: Force records of the event, including the blotter form entry,
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  Speaker 1: which includes the names and contact information of all the
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  Speaker 1: witnesses and provided it to select members of Congress, Arrow,
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  Speaker 1: and the FBI. Arrow is the new UAP Task Force
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  Speaker 1: All-Domain Anomalous Resolution Office. After the initial event, several other
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  Speaker 1: UAP incursions took place at Vandenberg. I was on duty
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  Speaker 1: during many of the encounters, and I investigated the incidents
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  Speaker 1: as they unfolded. Now, remember, this is not anonymous reporting here.
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  Speaker 1: They include a football field-sized craft that terrified security guards
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  Speaker 1: as it silently hovered over a launch facility before flying
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  Speaker 1: off at an unbelievable rate of speed. A brightly illuminated
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  Speaker 1: silent object that landed on the base flight line before
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  Speaker 1: accelerating instantaneously and disappearing into space. A huge triangle-shaped craft
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  Speaker 1: larger than a C-130 that hovered 50 feet over a
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  Speaker 1: police officer before it drifted slowly over the base. A
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: blue-white liquid orb roughly the size of his house that
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  Speaker 1: hovered over his house on the base. The object made
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  Speaker 1: no sound and had zero obvious means of propulsion. And
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  Speaker 1: he says, my experiences with UAP were awe-inspiring, exciting, and terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why UAP are flying over our bases
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  Speaker 1: and our neighborhoods, but I do know the UAP phenomenon
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  Speaker 1: is of the utmost importance to all of humanity. I
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  Speaker 1: currently have five other military witnesses to the Vandenberg incursions
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  Speaker 1: that are all willing to testify tomorrow under oath that
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  Speaker 1: these statements are true. We need answers to this mystery
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  Speaker 1: and better government transparency. Thank you for the opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: share my story. Former United States Air Force Technical Sergeant
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  Speaker 1: and witness, Jeff Nusatelli.
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  Speaker 4: Whoa.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy, right? I mean, we're talking the size of a
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  Speaker 1: football field?
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  Speaker 3: That's bananas. And then they take off insanely fast, just
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  Speaker 3: like the Tic Tac.
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  Speaker 1: Straight up into space.
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  Speaker 3: So this was it. What was the exact date of this?
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  Speaker 1: This was 2003. There was a number of incursions during
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  Speaker 1: that year, all the way into 2005. And he has
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  Speaker 1: the names, and they submitted it to the new head
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  Speaker 1: of AERO.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting because that coincides with the Tic Tac.
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  Speaker 1: It does coincide with the Tic Tac.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if it's like, you know, vacation season.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: It's like every few years.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go check out what those guys are up to.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Maybe it's like a real
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  Speaker 3: pain in the ass to get here. Maybe it's one
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  Speaker 3: of those things like you can go to Australia, but
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  Speaker 3: it's a pain in the ass. It's 16 fucking hours
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  Speaker 3: on a plane. It's a long flight.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. I went to South Africa one time,
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  Speaker 1: and that was like 22 hours. I was like, the
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  Speaker 1: plane's going to run out of gas.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm saying. It's like one of those things.
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  Speaker 3: It's like you can do it, but it's a pain
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  Speaker 3: in the ass. So maybe they only travel to Earth
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  Speaker 3: every now and again.
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  Speaker 1: How could these incursions have been taking place and like
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  Speaker 1: here we are 20 years later and we're only now
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  Speaker 1: really starting to talk about them?
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  Speaker 3: I think the reason being is if you don't understand
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  Speaker 3: it and you can't protect people from it because it's
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  Speaker 3: so beyond our capabilities that if just describing it accurately
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  Speaker 3: removes all confidence that our government has everything under control.
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  Speaker 3: That's one reason why. And also, if you have no answers,
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  Speaker 3: you don't know what the hell it is.
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  Speaker 1: That's a very good point, yes.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't know what the hell it is, what
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  Speaker 3: are you even going to say? Hey, there's something that came.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know what the fuck it is. It's as
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  Speaker 3: big as a football field. Shot off into the sky.
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  Speaker 3: We have no idea. They'd be like, what do you
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  Speaker 3: mean we have no idea? Hire someone who understands this.
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  Speaker 3: And then they'd be like, fire him. Get him out
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  Speaker 3: of office.
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  Speaker 1: I remember like 20 years ago, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, totally naive,
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  Speaker 1: still naive. But I was meeting with a general. And
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  Speaker 1: I said, God, it would be so amazing. This story
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  Speaker 1: is so unifying. And we had this kumbaya moment. And
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  Speaker 1: we discovered that we're not alone in the universe. And
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't that be amazing? And blah, blah, blah, the implications
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  Speaker 1: for all of humanity. And he sat there almost chuckling
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  Speaker 1: at me. And he looked at me and he goes,
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  Speaker 1: you got it all wrong, man. You got to see
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  Speaker 1: this through our lens. And I was like, through your lens?
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  Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, the military's perspective. I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: tell me. And I never thought about this before. You
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned it. He goes, okay, imagine this scenario. We
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: sit there and we say, you know, my fellow Americans,
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  Speaker 1: it has been brought to our attention that there are
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  Speaker 1: craft of unknown origin whizzing around with impunity in our airspace.
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  Speaker 1: They exhibit a technology that's light years advanced from anything
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  Speaker 1: that we have. We don't know who they are, where
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  Speaker 1: they come from, what they want. Shall they turn to
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  Speaker 1: be hostile? We have no visible means of defense against them.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you and good night.
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  Speaker 3: You're fired. You're fired. You're fired. And someone like Trump
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  Speaker 3: will come along, I'll make a deal with the aliens.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see that predicament? People always go, why the secrecy? Duh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to have secrecy because you've got to
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: imagine the job of a politician in general. You have
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  Speaker 3: to pretend that you're going to be able to handle
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: situations that you well know you're not going to be
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: able to handle. If you're running for president, you know
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: that you're not going to fix this economy.
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  Speaker 1: Stop. Stop. Just stop. Everything's going to be, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to wave the magic wand and it's all going to
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  Speaker 1: be taken care of.
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  Speaker 3: You know you're not going to implement electric cars over
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: the whole, stop.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Stop.
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  Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up. There's not enough batteries. So if
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: you're lying about all that, you're probably going to lie
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  Speaker 3: about whether or not you can handle the alien threat.
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  Speaker 3: I will unite us. I will unite us as a
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  Speaker 3: planet so we can deal together with the aliens. All
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  Speaker 3: you have to do is just say some bullshit like that.
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  Speaker 1: And then someone probably bends his ear when he gets
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: into office and is like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: A good speaker.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: About that disclosure.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: Like a J.D. Vance, like a guy like that. Very bright, young,
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: energetic speaker. He can convince people he can talk to
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: the aliens. He can convince people. He can convince people
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: that he can unite us all.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the program?
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: No, I have not. Okay, so there is. Explain it
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: to everybody.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the program, basically, it's funny because the last
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: time I was on the show, We were talking about
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: an alleged crash retrieval case that took place in Virginia,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Brazil in 1996.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: And your documentary on it, which is fun.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Moment of Contact.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Amazing. Amazing documentary.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: So we're talking about that, and I came off the
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: heels of doing The Phenomenon, which touched a little bit
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: on a potential crash retrieval program, but then it was
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: the crash retrieval over in Virginia, Brazil. And then I
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: got hyper-focused on that, and then it was a personal
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: journey for me was, okay, The elected officials, what do
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: they know? And when did they know it? Do we
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: have a crash retrieval program? That's what I set out
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: to do. And then three months after I was on
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: your show in April of 2023, the highest level Intel officer,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: David Grush, testifies under oath that there is a crash
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: retrieval program and that the government does have definitive proof
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: that we're not alone. So he kind of opened the
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: door for me. And a lot had happened since the
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: release of the phenomenon and moment of contact. There was
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: all this legislation. There was the first congressional hearing. There
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: was behind closed doors meetings with a number of intel
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: officers and witnesses. And then you had the second congressional hearing,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: which was David Grush, which was absolutely phenomenal. I'm sure
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: you saw that. And then just recently, just a couple
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: of months ago, we had the third congressional hearing, which
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I actually, funny enough, got to attend. It was the
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: first time in my 30 years investigating Congress. I was
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: actually sitting behind people while they were testifying under oath
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: about legitimacy of the phenomenon, as well as there's a
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: crash retrieval program. I mean, people have to understand that
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: feel like maybe this things aren't happening fast enough. Just
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, they didn't even admit that
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: the phenomenon is real. Now there's people testifying under oath
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: that we have a crash retrieval program. So drip, drip, drip,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: things are happening. They're not putting the genie back in
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the bottle.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Do you wonder at all that you're being mind-fucked? Do
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: you wonder at all that this is a massive psy-op
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: and this is all just to cover up some very
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: advanced American weapons technology?
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's a very good question, and here's why
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that. Because I have done 30 years
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: of field research, right? So I've gone to China, I've
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: been to Russia, I've been to Australia and Africa and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: South America, Canada, Alaska, all across Europe, United States, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I've investigated close encounters of the third kind, And I
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: would ask your audience, don't take it from me, but
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the United States Air Force investigated and categorized close encounters
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: of the first, second, and third kind, right, during their
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: official capacity, Project Blue. Project Sign, Project Grudge.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Project Blue Book. Great fucking movie, by the way. If
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: you haven't seen it, folks, Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Probably the best alien invasion movie of all time.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Dr. Hynek has a cameo appearance in that film. Did
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: you know that?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: I had heard that. I don't remember who he was, though,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: but wasn't the French guy?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jacques Vallée.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: He's supposed to be Jacques Vallée.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Jacques Vallée has a cameo. Well, there's a guy acting
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: his part, but actually Dr. Jalen Hynek, who's the scientific
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: advisor to Project Blue Book, all those years for the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Air Force, actually has a cameo appearance, smoking a cigar
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: during the encounter.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. That's Dr. Hynek. That's right. Smoking a pipe.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Smoking a pipe. And a lot of the cases right
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: down to Richard Dreyfuss' face being burned by the UFO,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: those came directly out of Project Blue Book Files. Even
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the description of what the entities looked like. Close encounters. Again,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: close encounters of the third kind. This is the United
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: States Air Force documenting this stuff.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And he took it directly out of Project Blue Book
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Files and made a movie out of it. And as
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge, he has Dr. Hynek
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: have a cameo appearance in the movie. Most people don't
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: know that.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: It's a fantastic movie, too.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: It's a great movie.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Because it's a movie that's filled with, it's not like
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: standard UFOs land. There's some play going on. There's some
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: weirdness to the way they interact with us that sort
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: of is much more realistic in terms of the things
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: that people experience. They experience interactions, very strange interactions. And
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: when they had those little orb-like things that were flying
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: around in the movie, that's all straight out of, like... Oh, yeah.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, 100%. I remember I had a buddy of
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: mine who was a pilot over in Europe in the 70s,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and he used to come for family dinners, and he
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: was always talking about it, and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And then later, when I started getting interested in UFOs,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, Michael, tell me about that UFO you had,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: that red orb. He goes, it was just like it
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: was in the Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Steven
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Spielberg's movie. I was like, ah, they took those files
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: directly out of Project Blue Book Files and right onto
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the big screen.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: That's what the Foo Fighters were, right?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Foo Fighters, too. They had little orbs.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, these fighter pilots are flying around. They're seeing these
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: things with them.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you. This is why that I
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: don't think it's a PSYOP thing.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a PSYOP either.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Well, the reason why I don't is because, okay, I
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: don't just believe Grush because he testified under oath and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: he's a high-level intelligence officer. That's very impressive. I believe
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Grush because his claims align with my personal research in
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the field. Remember, I've investigated crash retrieval programs, crash retrieval cases, right?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And so I was, I mean, when I put out
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Moment of Contact, Well, actually, when I went in to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: put out Moment of Contact, people were going, James, you
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: just dropped one of the biggest, most successful UFO films
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: in terms of transcending the UFO community and penetrating a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: much broader, more mainstream audience. Are you sure you want
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to put out a documentary that deals with an alleged
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: crash and live aliens walking around the town of Virginia, Brazil? Like, seriously,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that's what you want to put out there? You've got
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: access to, like, Harry Reid and all these intel insiders.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: And now you want to do that? You're going to
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: tarnish your reputation.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Who gave you that advice?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: A lot of people did.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I wish you called me. I was like, James, you
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: can handle it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: You probably heard about Moment of Contact and then you thought, oh,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: this sounds too crazy. No, I didn't. You watched it.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: No, I thought, well, I always think a crash and
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: contact sounds crazy.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I know it does. And it does.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I always think that. But I would have never told
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: you not to do it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I would have never told you not to do it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: You're really good at this. You're really good at explaining.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: But you look at half the town talking about it,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: including the mayor.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: That's an incredible story. It's an incredible story.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: It's a phenomenal story.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: It's one of those stories where you're like, if everybody's
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: in on this, this is crazy. If everybody's telling it,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: and no one, there's not one contrarian that comes out
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: and goes, they all told me to lie. I'm not
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: fucking lying. This is stupid. They're doing it for tourism.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Not one person? Come on. There's always some hater. There's
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: always some hater who wants to ruin your gag.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I remember.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I told you.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was making Moment of Contact and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I wasn't done with it yet. Lou Elizondo was like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: he's like, James, he called me up. He goes, I
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: need a copy. I was like, the film's not done.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I need a copy. Give me a
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: rough cut. I don't care. I was like, okay, okay.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: What's the urgency? He's like, you don't understand who's watching
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: this right now. So I was like, okay. So I'm
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: giving him copies. And I had absolutely no idea ever
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: in 100 million years that I think we're going to
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: be having Months after the release of Moment of Contact,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: a congressional hearing under oath that was.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: A crash retrieval program. What year did Moment of Contact
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: come out?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: It came out at the end of 2022.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Do you think Biden watched it? Do you think he
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: sat down with Biden? That would have been wild.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: He's been so dismissive of it all. Obama said a
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: lot more about it. You know why?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Because he's already in space. He's in space right now.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: He's like, go talk to Obama.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: He's in orbit right now around Saturn.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, really? That's the best you can do?
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: He's like Dr. Manhattan. He's on the moon in a
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: glass house.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's say if Biden, if you're listening right now,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you have nothing to lose.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: You're the president of the United States, sir. Release the hounds.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: He's never running ever again.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: He's not running for a second term. Come on, we're done.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: He's already pardoned more human beings than any president ever,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: other than Carter.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Listen to the advice at the end of the program
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: by Senator Harry Reid, who's now the late Senator Harry Reid.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And I said to him, what advice would you give
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the president? It could have been any president at the time.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And he said, don't be afraid of tarnishing your legacy
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: by addressing this issue head on. And I hope that
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Biden gets to see that. And I really hope that
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: President-elect Donald Trump gets to see that. People are ready
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: for the truth. They've had enough of the lying. I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: think we're way beyond that at this point.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I agree with you. However, when I confronted Mr. Trump,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: he was very cagey.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Was he really?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Very cagey. I've seen some things. They told me some things.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: He didn't tell me shit. He basically, it was basically
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: like neither confirm nor deny. No, there was no eyes.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I don't do that shit. Especially to a pro like
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Like you're not. Yeah, yeah. You're going to
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: do it to an actor. So shut up. You're not
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: going to know what the fuck they think. Yeah, Daniel
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Day-Lewis told you that he just ate a baby. You'd
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: fucking believe him. You know what I mean? You know
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: what I mean? Like this idea that what did his
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: eyes tell you? What did his eyes tell you? It
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: depends on the person. Depends on the person. If it's
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: your regular crackpot and they tell you a lie, like
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: something's up. But there's people that can hide things. They
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: can hide things behind their eyes. I think he knows something.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's that interested. I think he's more interested.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: I think he's sort of a no-nonsense type of guy.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: This is why. You kind of have to be to
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: be managing multiple businesses simultaneously. He's always done that his
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: whole career. Manage being on The Apprentice while running these
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: golf courses, while having these buildings, apartment buildings, hotels. He's
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: constantly doing something, right?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: So while he's doing all that, and he's playing golf,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: while he's doing all that, there's no time for fucking aliens, man.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: There's no time for nonsense. There's no time for sitting
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: around with your buddies, you know, smoking a cigar going,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: what do you think, man? I mean, if they fucking,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: if I was them, man, I would do what they're doing.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't even, there's no time for that
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: nonsense talk. That guy's got businesses.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: But we got objects of unknown origin. flying over residential areas,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: flying over military bases, flying over nuclear silos.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Well, now I think he's much more interested because.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: That's a matter of national security. I mean, people are
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: freaking out. Like, what the hell are we seeing? And
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: they're going, we don't know what they are, but everything's fine.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: He's totally safe. There's no national security issue here. We
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: don't know what they are, but you're fine.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. You remember.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: What was the Steven Spielberg movie with the shark, the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: great white shark?
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jaws.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Jaws. Remember when they're like, everything's fine.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: The mayor. The mayor's like, keep swimming.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, keep swimming. The water's fine. Everyone's saying people are
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: getting bitten halfway.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: That's the perfect analogy. Dude, that is the perfect analogy.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: That is it. Everything's fine.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Go about your lives.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: They're definitely not nuke sniffing drones. Come on, nuke sniffing drones.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: So what if some nuclear material was just stolen off
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: a cargo ship? Whatever, whatever. Guys.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: All the online conspiracy stuff is crazy. And I get
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of it because obviously what I do. And
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: people send me all kinds of stuff. I was like, well,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: hang on a second. I wish I could put boots
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: on the ground. But no, there's something really weird going on.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And the fact that they don't know or they're claiming
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that they don't know what it is. And here's another
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: really funny thing. I actually, in the program that I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: did now, and I hope you get a chance to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: watch it because it's crazy. It's got.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Tell people what it is.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Okay. So basically, I was talking to you about it earlier.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Tell people the title, the whole thing. It's called The Program.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: It's going to be on... It just came out. It's
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: at number one right now. It's on Amazon.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: When did it come out?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yesterday.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, beautiful.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I know. So it came out yesterday. It's on Amazon.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: It's on Apple TV. And you can Google the... Because they...
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: algorithms are just starting to catch up with it on
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Google right now because everyone's like, I can't find it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Look up the program and then Google James Fox UFO documentary,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the program. You will 100% find it. It's being also
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: made available internationally. They're working as fast as they can
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to get it up. It just went up yesterday. It's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the most independent film from start to finish that I've
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: ever made. And it covers what happened because everybody thinks
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the government suddenly had this epiphany to decide to be
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: more transparent with the general public. That's not what happened.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: What happened is there were a couple of intel insiders
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: in the Pentagon reviewing some of this classified data, our
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: so-called classified data, and resigned in protest of excessive secrecy.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: They found a loophole. This is Lou, probably Jay Stratton.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know for sure. Definitely Chris Mellon. And they
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: walked these evidence tapes out of the Pentagon through this loophole.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: They bent the rules a little bit. and onto the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: front page of the New York Times, right? So that
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: happened and it got, it was just, it was exploded.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: You remember that. And since then, there has been this
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: unprecedented push by a bipartisan group of lawmakers to find
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: out what the intelligence agencies know and when they knew it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And so that started happening behind the scenes, right? So
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it was 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, And then in 2022,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: they were like, we're having a congressional hearing. Congressman Andre Carson,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I think he's a Wisconsin, but I'm not positive. He
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: put on, he spearheaded the first open congressional hearing, public
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: open congressional hearing. And in that congressional hearing, they acknowledged
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the fact that the phenomenon was real. It was slowly
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: introduced that we were not getting told the facts. There
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: was a document that came out called the Wilson Davis Memo.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And that was about the discovery by a former DIA guy,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Admiral Wilson, of the Crash Retrieval Program that was like
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: maybe 20, 20 plus years ago. And none of the
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: names or anything in that document were redacted. I cover
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that memo in the film. And then 2023, another congressional hearing.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: This time it was David Grush talking about the Crash
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Retrieval Program. It's been a steady progression. And so a
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: lot has gone on between 2017 and 2024. And that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: is what this film does, is it covers behind the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: scenes efforts bipartisan group of lawmakers effort to find out
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: what the intelligence agencies really know. Yeah, and people that were,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and in one of them, there's an encounter,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and I think I remember you hearing about it, because
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you wanted to get a hold of David Grush, and
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: so you contacted me, and I actually had a drug.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a drone up in the air in England. I know.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And I had my phone attached to my drone thing,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: because that's what it was using as a controller for
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the screen. And I'm flying the drone, and there was
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a huge windmill, and I saw this windmill, and I
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's going to make a beautiful shot
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: for the movie. And it is in the movie. So
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I'm up there flying it, and the wind, the turbines
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: are going round, and round, and I can't quite tell
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: how close my drone is to him, so I'm paying
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: really good attention, and I'm getting close to these big turbines,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden my phone's ringing, and it's you.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I can't not answer this.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I gotta answer, so I answered it while my drone
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: was up there. And we talked briefly, and you said, hey,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: can you get me in touch with David Grush? I said, yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I got a guy that can put you in touch with,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and that was Jason Sands. And I guess you and
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Jason Sands talked about this alleged encounter in 1994 with
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: this entity, alien, whatever you want to call them, in
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the desert.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: So that was a crazy story.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Crazy story.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: But in any case, so when you watch the movie
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: in the program, you'll see the drone flying dangerously close
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to these, and that's funny, a little inside thing.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: So it didn't crash.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: It didn't crash, but I was on the phone with
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you when it happened. But when you watch the footage,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: it's like, wow, that's really close.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Is that guy public with that story?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: He, well, so.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Because otherwise I would discuss it. Yeah, yeah. Because it
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: sounded so nutty.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: No, no, yeah. Okay, so here's what happened. this is
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: funny because, um, when I was in Washington DC with
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Mellon and, and this gentleman, uh, Jason Sands, I'm using
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: his name now. And Mellon looked at me and he goes,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: this guy's story is pretty wild. I was like, what
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: do you mean? He goes really wild. And we're sitting
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: down having dinner and Chris Mellon orders. He orders a, uh, uh,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: he orders a drink. He had a, um, tequila. So whatever, anyway,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and we were all having dinner and, And Jason Sands
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: starts telling the story about this alleged encounter in 1994.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: And it's one of the craziest stories. And I've been
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: doing this for 30 years. And this story is nuts. Okay.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: You remember.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. So. Yeah. I went like this to my phone.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: He was telling me like there was one.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Me too.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Me too. So.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: It was one of those. Wait.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Wait.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: What the fuck did you just say?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Insane. Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Tell everybody what we said. I will.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I'll get to that in one second. This is the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: reason why I can... Don't tease him. Well, this is
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the reason why I can discuss it publicly. I know.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: The reason why I can discuss it publicly is because
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: he was going to appear anonymously in the movie. And
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I was debating on exactly how to go about doing
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: this because I was torn. Because you've got a statement
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: from an individual. You don't have his identity. But I
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: was in D.C. I put the whole thing down and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I said, look, he was worried about his security. He
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: was a whistleblower. He'd already testified to a number of
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of senate intel committee senate armed service committee and um.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: All about the ufo phenomenon yeah about the.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Ufo phenomenon they're part of the ufo uop task force
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: they found him and they he was giving them information
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and reporting on things and um so i he's he
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: goes i'm really fearful i don't know if this witness
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: protection program is going to be that helpful i'm just
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: i'm worried i said look if you're concerned about the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: story getting out or not getting out if you want
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: i'm here you can come to our studio and we
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: could film you on camera. And if anything happens to you,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: it could be released and it could be a little
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: insurance policy for yourself. He goes, that sounds great. Let's
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: do it. So I did a whole film about it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And then I'm periodically posting clips or just still frames
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and updates on the movie as I'm making it, as
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I do on social media. And I posted this one
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: scene and it had a clipboard on it in the scene.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: And on that clipboard, if you zoomed right in, it
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: had his name. So I posted the, by accident, I
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: posted the damn thing. And my phone starts blowing up
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: 10 minutes later. You just revealed this guy. What are
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you doing?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Take it down. Take it down.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Take it down.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Too late. Too late. So it was out there. And
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: he's getting all kinds of heat. So as a result
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: of it, I'm giving you the truncated version. He basically
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: had to go through the DOPSER process, which is basically
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: pre-publication of authorization of what you can and cannot say.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Excuse me.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: So he basically could talk about a number of cases
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: that were in the film. We had to blurb out one.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: particular word, which in the movie it's blurred out. We
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: had to do that. That was Dobser. So, it was
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the winter of 1994. There was an unidentified flying object
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: that was picked up on the base.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Old school UFO.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, sir. It was a UFO. It was picked
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: up on the base and it was recorded by sensory
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: data and it was picked up on camera. It had
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: camera footage of it from different locations.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: What did it look like?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: It looked like, it was a weird shape. It was
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: like an unusual shape, and there's people talking about it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It's in the movie. And.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: The film is in the movie?
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: The film footage that leaked from the base is in
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the movie.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: So you can see what it looks like flying around?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Kind of, yeah.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: It's kind of blurry in some spots, and yeah, you'll
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: see it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: So.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: It's in the program.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: It's in the program, yeah. And then you hear all
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the voices. I actually had the voices cleaned up. You
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: can hear people talking about, what the hell is it?
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Is there a clip we could see online? Just so
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: I could show people what it looks like?
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: God. Damn, I'm sorry.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Could you maybe just say the actual name of the incident?
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Maybe Jamie could find it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, try and find it. It's Nellist Test Range UFO 1994.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: See if you can find it.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: People put stuff up so quick.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It's long and it's really bad. Yeah, true. Good point.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Because it's on Amazon right now. People put clips up
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: so fast.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and there's other things on there.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: So in any case, so that video.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Bam, there it is.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: That's terrible. There's much better footage of it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: There's much better footage of it. It's in my movie.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I had it cleaned up. But yeah, that's it, basically.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Can I see it again? So that's what it looked like?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: The footage I have is way better than this. Yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: So what did it look... Jesus Christ, you know what
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: that looks like, Jamie?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: It's a very weird shape.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Jamie, you know what that looks like? It looks like
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Terrence Howard's creation. Doesn't it?
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: What does he call that again? Those things that lock together, those,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: you know, the flying drone thing that he created.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Linch pins?
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Linch pins. Terrence Howard created this fascinating concept for like
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: a drone where it's like propellers going all these different
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: directions and they sync up and they link together. And
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: it looks like that.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So it's anyway, so it's footage, people talking
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: about it. What is it? We don't know. It's not,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it's unidentified and it flies around the base and that
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: leaked and the names of the other witnesses leaked three
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: days later.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Can you explain, sorry to keep cutting you off, but
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: can you just say what it did, like how it moved?
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It just, it was like, it was, didn't have any
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: visible means of propulsion. It didn't have any wings. It
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: didn't have propellers. It just looked like a, like an object,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a round sort of object, weird shape, almost like a
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: helmet or something. with things coming off of it. And
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: it was just moving around the base. And nobody, slowly,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: at times. Oh, there it is. That's the footage?
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Okay. That's it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: That's exactly it.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: It's definitely not a big balloon? No, you hear.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Everybody talking about it. The audio that goes along with it,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and I had it cleaned up, they're all talking. Nobody
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: knows what it is.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: So this is Zoom? Is this why it's moving around
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: like that? They're trying to keep it in focus and
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: they're zooming on it?
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Mr. Sands explains all of that in the film, the program.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: He talks about it. So anyway, so this leaks. People's names,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the witnesses leaks. And three days later, he's in a convoy.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Gesundheit.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: He's in a convoy and it's early in the morning
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and there's three Jeeps, trucks, Jeeps. in convoy on a
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: dirt road heading out Nellis Test Range. And they see
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: what looks like maybe somebody was involved in a plane crash,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: somebody that was struggling out in the middle of the desert.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: It was early in the morning, it was wintertime, and
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: they're looking at this individual like, oh my God, is
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: that a person? That individual needs some help. That individual
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: looks like they need some help. They look cold, their
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: skin had a slight blue tint to it. And they're
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: looking at this gentleman and they're like, hey, stop the convoy.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: This person needs help, medical attention. Maybe they had a
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: plane crash, and so we're going to help this person out.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And they pull the convoy over, and this individual comes
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: up to the car. Jason Sands gets out the right
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: side of the door, and as he's getting out, somebody
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: in the truck screams, he's got no effing ears. And
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Jason says he turns around and he looks at this guy,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and he had the same kind of uniform that they
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: had had on, but the uniform was just immaculate. Like,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: there wasn't any dust on it. no dust on the boots.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: And he was thinking to myself, well, that's weird. This
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: guy's got no ears. Is this guy some kind of mutant?
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: And he looks at him and he said, his eyes
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: were a lot bigger. It's all illustrated in the movie.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And then he starts talking like he said, it was
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: like a snake bite him. And he was just paralyzed
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: with fear. He was, it was really scary. What am
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I looking at? Is this a human? Is this a mutant?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Is this an alien? What is this? And I starts
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: talking to him in gibberish, but he said, he started
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to understand like telepathically, everything, this, this, person or an entity, being, creature, alien,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, was saying to him,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and he was looking for some kind of metal, and
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: he didn't know tantalium, and Jason sounds like, you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't have any, you mean titanium?
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: He's like, no, tantalium or something, and this conversation goes
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: on for a bit, and then the guy just wanders
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: back off and gets into that little craft that looked
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: very similar to what you just saw there, and flies away,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and he sort of stair-stepped away, and everybody sort of
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: came out of this comatose state, and off they went.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And we have the names of the other military witnesses
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that were on duty during the encounter, the alleged encounter.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: People are going to criticize me because I'm reporting on
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a close encounter of the third kind. But this Jason
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Sands says he's willing to do a lie detector test
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: like public. He's willing to testify under oath that everything
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: he's saying is true. We have a date, we have
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: a location, and we have the names of the other
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: on-duty officers. So what I'm hoping is, despite the level
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: of criticism I'm going to receive for reporting on this,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: is that other individuals that have more information on this
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: are going to be inclined to come forward. I also
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: met with people in the Senate Armed Service Committee, Senate
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Select Committee on Intelligence, sorry, in the House, and they
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: said Jason Sands is who he says he is. He
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: checks out. He is named previously classified or classified programs
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: he's identified. The guy's legit. His credentials check out. And
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: so I opted to go ahead and report on it
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: with the hope that more information will come out on it.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Listen, man, it's... There's nothing wrong with reporting on a
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: story like that. There's been a bunch of them. It's
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: not a small number of these things where people have
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: experienced things. And imagine if it's true.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: If it's true, yeah.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: They're not all liars. I can't believe they're all liars.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: It's hard to imagine. Imagine being that person who had
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: that experience and not have anybody believe you. Not only that,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: but it can actually ruin your reputation and your career
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: to talk about this experience, which is the reality of it.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: And it's one of the things that stifled discourse on
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: this until– I think the New York Times really broke
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: the ice. I think in 2017, when they published that,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, serious people who were unwilling to
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: talk about UFOs before, just for the ridicule. Now you've
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: got the gimbal video, the go fast video. You've got
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: fighter pilots, Commander David Fravor. You've got these people discussing
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: these things openly and like, okay, this seems like something
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: that a serious person can discuss now. And so then
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: it's open. But Actually meeting one and talking to... It's
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: like the Varginha story. When I told people, the cop
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: picked it up and carried it in the car, and
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: the cop died from some horrible bacterial infection that they
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: couldn't cure.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: He was rubbing himself down with rubbing alcohol, according to
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: his family. He was like, this is greasy stuff on
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: my skin. He was rubbing himself down, and he had
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: to stench, smell grease. And then I interviewed the doctors.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: There's a couple of them actually going back to Brazil
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: next month. There are a couple of forensic pathologists that
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: are willing to come forward that we're going to cover.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Kind of update the movie and re-release it. So it's
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be the best protection from an alien planet's
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: bacteria if you had the most vicious bacteria on the
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: surface of your skin? Right? Like, imagine. Like, if you
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: go to another planet and the way to mitigate the
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: effects of viruses and bacteria on that planet is to
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: have skin fluid that's, like, unbelievably toxic. Anything that comes
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: near you just gets cooked.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a skunk. Right. Have you ever had a skunk?
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I had a skunk got my dog once.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I took out this guy's garbage one time, and he's like, hey,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: it's in my garage. He flipped up the thing and
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: dropped it in there. So I was kind of hungover.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: We had a party the night before, and I went
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: out to the garbage can, and I kind of heard
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: some rustling in the garbage can, but I didn't really
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: think anything of it. And I lifted up the thing,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and then I heard some rustling again. So I reached out,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: and I put my head down inside, and the skunk
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: just turned and got me right in the face. Now,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I held my breath and I closed my eyes at
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the last second and it went right through me. It
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: penetrated my molecules. It was so powerful that it was paralyzing.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Absolutely paralyzing. Can you imagine? Just the smell, that's their
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: way of defense. It's just the stench that just goes
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: through your body and just paralyzes you.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. Anyway. You got it in the mug, huh?
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I got it right in the face.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Wow. How long did it take before you didn't stink?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Probably two weeks. It was several weeks. I tried the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: tomato and I tried the baking soda.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I think they have special soap now just for skunks.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: When my dog got zapped, she got zapped in 1980.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I think it was 1980 because I was living in
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Jamaica Plain. She went out in the backyard and I
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: think she thought that it was our cat because we
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: had a cat that was black and white. And she
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: just ran right up to that skunk and it took
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: her right, right in the side of her body. Like
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: she tried to turn away, but it got her all
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: over her body. She was wet with skunk spit. Oh yeah.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: It was so nasty. I had to take her inside
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: and I had to do it cause she was my dog.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: I was 13. I had to like cover her with
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: tomato juice and wash her down and she still stunk.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: The whole house stunk.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: It's so funny because I was getting ready for a
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: road trip. This is a couple of years ago. And, uh,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: And I looked over, and I was like, did we
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: walk Duke? It was like 9 o'clock at night. We
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: were exhausted. We packed everything up. We had the car
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: ready to go for the next morning. It's like, did
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: we walk Duke? Did you walk Duke? Take Duke, our dog.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: So we died. I was like, ah, it's 9 o'clock.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I just let him outside. And I hear him like, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: No.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: And then he goes, rah, rah, rah.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And I thought, oh, my God, he just got eaten.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Somebody just ate him. I was like, oh, my gosh.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I ran out there to look for him, and he
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: comes running in. He jumps in bed covered in scone.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: The whole house, like, it was so bad.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: So strong. It's unbelievable.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: That smell is just like.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: It's so incredible. And the way someone explains this to me,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: you know, like animals, like bloodhounds and bears, they have
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: the insane sense of smell.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, like 100,000 times stronger than ours, right? Right.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: But they can pick up parts per million the way
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: we pick up skunk.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: So think about that. So if a skunk gets hit
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: by a car like a mile away, you can smell it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Have you ever driven in your car?
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's mild.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I can drive over it and then my car smells
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're in the neighborhood where a skunk
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: got something, you could smell it. Yeah. For some strange reason,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: it permeates. It carries more than any other smell. With dogs,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: that's how they smell everything. They're like, oh, Ross goes home.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: They can smell things that you can't even imagine they
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: could smell, especially like a bloodhound. And then a bear
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: can smell like, what is a bear's ability to smell
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: above a bloodhound? It's something crazy.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: My friend was- Sharks in the ocean can sense blood
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: from miles away, right?
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Miles. Miles.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: It's incredible.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Insane. Miles away. They can smell blood miles away. Guys,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I remember, look at this, 300 times, look at this.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: This is crazy. Bears are the best sense of smell
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: of any animal on earth. For example, average dog sense
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: of smell is 100 times better than a human's. A
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: bloodhound's is 300 times better. A bear's sense of smell
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: is seven times than a bloodhound's or 2,100 times better
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: than a human's. Unbelievable.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: That's why they say when you go camping, put your
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: food up in a tree or something.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, 100%.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: You have to.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: You can't have it in a tent at all.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: When I was a kid, we went camping and the
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: bear broke open our cooler.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. People just had regular coolers back then.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: You'd have like a little cookie in your pocket and
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: be in bed. Oh, yeah. You're going to have an issue.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, 100%.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid, I went camping
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: and they were like, don't have any food. I was like, yeah, whatever. Like, no, no, no.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Put that stuff. And they were really adamant. I was like,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: why are these guys making such a funk? The bear's
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: not going to smell a cookie in my pocket. Like,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: of course they will.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: They'll look at that like a wonton. Like, look at
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: that soft outer layer and there's meat inside of it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: They're going to look at that tent like it's trapped
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: The meat is trapped in the tent. This is crazy.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: What was that one movie called where they got the
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: grizzly man or something?
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Grizzly Man. That's what it's called.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: And they came and got him. Remember that?
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Well, it's a lot more than that.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: He thought he became one with the grizzlies and then
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: he got eaten.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: That's a very complicated movie. That's a Werner Herzog film.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Werner Herzog. Yes.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: It's a really funny movie.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: And the camera was rolling. And they played it.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Sort of. The camera was rolling, but the lens cap
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: was on, so there was an audio.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: So it's just audio.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: That's even worse.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: The audio, by the way, folks, the audio you hear
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: on the internet, that's fake. That's not the real one.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: The real audio, Werner Herzog told the lady to destroy it.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Destroy it. No one should hear this.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: So he heard it.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he heard it. It's long, you know, because bears
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: don't kill you. They eat you. You know, like a salmon.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: They don't kill salmon. They just put their paw down
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: and start pulling chunks off of it. That's what they
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: do with people, too.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: That's terrifying.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Well, they don't have any predators. So they don't have
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: to kill things and then, you know, worry about someone
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: taking it from them. You're not taking shit from a bear.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Especially a grizzly bear. You're not taking shit from a
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: bear unless you're a bigger bear. So like all the
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: other animals have to worry. Like mountain lions kill quick
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: because wolves will steal from mountain lions. And apparently in
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: the areas where wolves have been introduced, it's actually become
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: a problem because mountain lions are killing much more than
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: they normally do. Because mountain lions will kill like a
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: deer or two deer a week, something like that.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: And eat two deer a week? That's a lot of meat.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Well, they're big. A big mountain lion is 150 pounds.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: It's a big cat. Their cats are just, they're obligate predators.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: All they eat is meat. Bears eat a little berries.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: They'll eat a bunch of shit. Not cats. So the
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: cats are killing more because the wolves scare the cats
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: off of the kill. So if the cat's on a
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: kill and a bunch of wolves show up, the cat
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: will just get the fuck out of there.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Like, fuck this. Because he feels he doesn't want to
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: defend himself against the wolves?
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Because wolves hunt in packs. So there might be 13,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: 14 wolves and one cat. The cat will just get
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: the fuck out of there. Cats run from dogs, right? Like,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: they have a fear of, like, canines. And I think
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: it's from wolves stealing their food. So, like, that's how
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: they hunt cats. The way they hunt them, you have
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: to tree them. because otherwise you're not gonna find them.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: If you find a mountain lion, you have to get
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: the dogs to bark them up a tree. So they
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: run up a tree and then they shoot them when
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: they're in a tree. And it sounds cruel, but listen,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: they have to do that to manage the populations. If
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: they don't, they start eating dogs, They start, that's what
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: you get in San Francisco. California still kills mountain lions.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: They'll kill, they kill as many mountain lions as they
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: would if they gave tags out to people to kill
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: them because you have to kill certain numbers of them
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: for depredation because they'll start killing livestock. They'll start killing
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: dogs in the Bay area. They, the, the, Problem cats
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: that they wound up killing in like San Francisco. Half
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: their diet was pets. Really? Half their diet. Half their
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: diet was house cats.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: People's cats.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Dogs and cats. That's half their diet. Half of their diet.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: So you manage, you know, a hundred plus pound cat
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: and he's running around just eating dogs. You leave your
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: dog in your backyard, gone. Happens all the time. Wow.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: It happened to my dog.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: My dog in Colorado got eaten by a mountain lion.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: That happens all the time.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, I feel so bad for my little guy.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: It's terrible.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not there to protect my little feller. You know,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: one time I was hiking up this mountain, and I
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: had my son with me at the time, and he
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: was in that little pouch. You know that little pouch
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: that you put in the front? He was probably like
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: maybe two, two and a half. And I was hiking
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: this mountain pretty daily. It's funny, actually, because when I
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: went up there without him, I was like, well, this
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: is why people hike with weights on. This feels amazing.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I could run up this mountain. Anyway, I was going
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: up the mountain, and I had my dog, my little dog.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: little duke, and I had my son walking up this mountain,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: and I come around this, like, go to the left,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: and it's a pretty exposed, not too many trees, some bushes,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: and it's a hot, sunny day, and I see this
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: leg of a deer, like, just fresh kill, with blood
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: on the ground. I was like, God damn, what the hell's,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: what the hell looked, wow, that's fresh. I was like, huh.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I kind of keep going, and come around the corner,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and there's a long straightaway, the hill goes up like this,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and I see what looks like a big like greyhound dog,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: kind of like brown, kind of walking kind of back
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and forth like this with a tail. And I was like, man,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: who the hell's greyhound is doing out here? Like what
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: the hell is, that's a mountain lion. I was like,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: holy shit. And the mountain lion turns around and looked
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: at me and I had my kid. I was like, shit.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: So I grabbed my dog and I turned around and
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I started running and I knew that I shouldn't be running.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: So I'm running going, I shouldn't be running. I shouldn't
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: be running. I know he should be running, but I
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: wanted to get around the corner and get it out
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: of its light sign of light line of sight. And
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: then I go, I go, well, if he comes up
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: on me, I'm going to have to throw my dog.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, I looked at Duke and I, cause
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: if it comes down to it, Duke, you're going to
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: have to take one for the team.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. That's a horrible choice. It was a
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: horrible choice.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: But I had my son. Of course.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: But I remember looking at him too.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: And I was like looking at my dog going, oh man,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: this is a horrible decision I have to make, but
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: if it comes down to it, I'm going to have
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: You, buddy, I love you.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: But it didn't come down to it. But I remember
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: running going, you're an idiot, James.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Why are you running?
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to be running.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: You can't run. Well, that's the problem with mountain bikers.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: They get got because when they pass by a cat,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: it's almost like rolling a ball of yarn past a kitten.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: They are predators.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: And they'll catch bikes, huh?
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. They get people on bikes. Yeah, that's happened
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: a few times. They get people on bikes. They get joggers,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: people on bikes. They think you're running away from them.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine what it was like to be running
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: for your life, having something like that chase you?
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can. I mean, it hasn't happened to me,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: but I've seen them. I've seen three of them in
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: my lifetime. Only one of them that scared the shit
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: out of me. I saw one in Colorado. I saw
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: one in Montecito, like the Santa Barbara area. It was small.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Those are small ones. They were like 50, 60 pounds.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: And then I saw one with a buddy of mine,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: my friend Colton and I, we spotted one under a
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: tree that was 30 yards away. And we were in
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: a truck and it made me shit my pants.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: It was so big. This one was really big. This
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: was a mature male with a big pumpkin head and
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: huge forearms like a fucking bodybuilder. It was freaky. It
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: was freaky to see because, you know, it was, first
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: of all, it was dusk. So the sun was going
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: down and the lights of the truck, even though it
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: wasn't quite dark yet, The lights of the truck were
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: making his eyes glow.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: And you could see him with the naked eye, but
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: then I put my binoculars on. And so I've got
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: these 10-power binoculars, and I'm zoomed in on this thing's face.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like, holy shit.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Looks like he belongs in Africa.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Well, he belonged right where he was, man. We didn't
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: belong there.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you a really cool story that's a UFO,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: the best UFO picture I think has ever taken.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Do you have it? Can I look at it, or
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: are you going to tease me?
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. We're going to look for it. Okay,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: so can you find the program trailer on here at all?
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: All right, find the program trailer. I'm going to tell
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you about this.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Is this the trailer?
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the trailer.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Let's just watch the trailer.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: All right, let's watch it. That story was kind of
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: a catalyst for a lot of things that have happened since.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Members of Congress started to ask questions.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Instruments report there is something there.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: There are flight characteristics that we can't explain.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: UAPs are unexplained.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: It's true.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: They need to be investigated.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Here we are having a hearing where just a few
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: years ago, we didn't even acknowledge that these things were real.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Do you believe that our.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Government is in possession of UAPs?
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: You're telling me people have come forward claiming firsthand knowledge
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: of craft of non-human origin.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: That's correct.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: We have sources who have asserted not only that there
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: have been crashes, but there have been crash retrievals.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: this craft?
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Were they human or non-human? Non-human.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting here today because the American people are being
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: lied to. We are the American government and we are
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: open and we're going to be open about this. What
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: has been.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Revealed, non-human intelligence exists, non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity, is.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Only part of the story. The pressure's on. The Pentagon,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: the CIA are going to have to answer the mail.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Some are risking everything.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Have you had incidences that have caused you to be
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: in fear for your life? Yes, personally.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: To uncover the rest.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: What is being done to verify the assertion that the U.S.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: government has spaceships of non-human intelligence in their possession? That
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: kind of revelation unearths people's beliefs.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I would go to jail to say things that I've
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: been exposed to in.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: The program.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Bro, is that Mick Jagger? Was that other guy Mick Jagger?
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Isn't he amazing? That's Hal Puthoff.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Hal Puthoff? Oh, yeah, I know.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Mick Jagger's in there. Doesn't he look like Mick Jagger?
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: That's not Mick Jagger?
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: That's Gary McKinnon. He's the biggest computer hacker in history.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Let me see what he looks like.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: He almost went to jail for life because he was like,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I'm going to find out what the government knows about UFOs.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: So he hacked into the systems. NSA, CIA, DIA.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Where is he?
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: You want to see that really cool picture?
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: No, in the film, you gotta go towards the end.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: He looks exactly like Mick Jagger. That's really funny you
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: should say that, because I saw.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: It and I'm like, wait a minute, that does look
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: like a rock star. He is a rock star in
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the UFO community. It's coming up. You'll have to pause
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: it quickly when it hits. But Gary McKinnon took it
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: upon himself, a computer hacker, to find out if the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: government had proof of alien visitation. And he spent a
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: couple years hacking systems And he got pay dirt.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: There he is. That was it. Bro, that's Mick Jagger.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Doesn't it look like Mick Jagger? It does look like
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Mick Jagger.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: That's Mick Jagger.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Mick Jagger's in the UFOs. You should just, like, only
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: show that clip, you know, like they do in horror
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: movies where the mask is not that good. It's real quick.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: But so, well, I was going to tell you, there's
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: a photograph of a jet circulating. Can I go into
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit of detail? Yes, please. Because everyone's always
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: worried about, like, where's the good evidence? Where's the good photograph?
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Show me that photograph again. So it's, yeah, there we go.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: This was a lost photograph that was recovered.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know about this? Yeah, I know about this.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Okay. So I heard about this in the late nineties.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Tell everybody about it.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Okay. So there was a guy, Nick Pope, who investigated,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: he was part of the UFO desk at the ministry
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: of defense of England in the late nineties, mid to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: late nineties, maybe even as late as early two thousands.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: But in any case, and I was in vet, I
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: was interviewing him for a number of my films. I
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: did a film called out of the blue. I know
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: what I saw before I did the phenomenon. And I
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: asked him, like, hey, man, you were a part of
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the UFO desk at the MOD. What was the best
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: case you ever saw? And he goes, oh, man, 1990.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: He didn't give me the town. It was Calvine. But
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: he said Scotland. There were two poachers. They called them hikers,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: but they were actually poaching. And this made me think
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: about this when we were talking about animals earlier. And
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: he said it was late in the afternoon. They were
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: in a place. I now know it's called Calvine. And they...
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: came upon in this relatively remote area. I know because
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I hiked out to the exact spot, and it's in
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: the movie. And they came upon this diamond-shaped or disc-shaped
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: object that was quite large that was hovering silently really close.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I mean close. And they were scared to death, and
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: they were kind of hiding out underneath this tree, and
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: they're looking at this thing. What the are we looking at?
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: And they're looking at this thing as it's silently hovering. Remember,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: this is 1990, okay? And one of them had a camera.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: And just as he was considering taking his camera out,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: a military jet came in. Turns out it was one
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: of those Harrier jet. They think it was a Harrier jet.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: And it came out into the scene and it flew
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: all the way around the disc. And as it did so,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: the guy mustered up the courage, came out from under
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: the tree, and he snapped five or six photographs of
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: this object suspended in the air. And it went... So
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the disc is here and the plane is flying around.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: It's click, click, click, click, click, click. And the reason
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: why I know this is because the individual who kept
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: one of the prints, thank you very much, Craig Lindsay,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: RAF press officer, and thank you, David Clark, for uncovering this,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: because it's the most amazing picture ever, and the two
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: hotel workers in, just outside the town of Calvin, Scotland,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: came back, and they were, like, telling their co-workers, oh
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: my god, we encountered this thing, we don't know what
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: it was, so they go to the local newspaper, and
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: they were like, hey man, we just filmed something in
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: the sky, we got six prints of it, they It
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: was 35 millimeter film footage, right? And they're going to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: go public with their story. Two witnesses, broad daylight, a UFO,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: points of reference with a military jet flying around, five
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: or six prints. That's pretty solid evidence, right? So the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: local newspaper was like, they're about to go public with it,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: print the story. And they were like, well, we need
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: a statement from the RAF. So they contact the press officer,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Craig Lindsay. And they were like, hey, what do you
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: make of this? UFO these guys took. And Craig Lindsay goes,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. I haven't seen
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: the picture. You haven't seen it? Well, let me send
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you a print. This is the newspaper. Sends him a print.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Big print like this. The one you see today. And
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: he's like, holy shit. The hell is this? He's an
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: RAF press officer, Craig Lindsay. So he starts getting in
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: touch with the MOD. And he goes out and he
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: investigates this. Go talk to the witnesses. Talk to the witnesses.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: And they're telling him. And he goes, well, they tell
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: him what happened. And he goes, well, what kind of
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: noise did it make? And they say, it didn't make
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: any noise. He goes, no noise. That's impossible. You know,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: an object that can hover like that in the sky
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: for that period of time. We're talking 34 years ago.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: It didn't make any noise. And the witness said, no.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: So he was like, holy, this is crazy. So he
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: takes a color xeroxing machine and he sends it to
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the MOD in London. And he says, hey, there's A
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: case that you might want to check, you know, you
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: might want to look into. And here's a Xerox, which
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: is really crappy. It's just a, it's just a scanned Xerox,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: like a fax machine over to MOD. He said he
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: went from the office where the Xerox machine was. And
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: before he can get back to his office, his phone
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: was ringing off the hook, MOD. And the MOD basically
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: stepped in, took over the investigation. They said, you can
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: step down to Craig Lindsay. He steps down. He keeps
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: the print, right? He steps down. They take over. Witnesses gone.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Five or six prints gone, story killed, right? So 30,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: and we rumored about it because Nick Pope had talked
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: about this case in a book he wrote called Open Skies,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Closed Minds. And then I talked to him about it
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: in late 90s. Then I talked to him about it
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: again in the early 2000s. And I was like, Nick,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: especially in 2007, I was like, tell me about this photograph.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, it was incredible. We had a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: big poster of it on the wall, the MOD. And
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, where is it? He goes, well,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I stepped down. I'm no longer at
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: the UFO desk. And I said, well, they didn't just
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: throw that away. Why don't you get in touch with
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: the people that were there and find out? He's like, oh,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: you know, James, I can't just make those inquiries. We
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: killed the story. It was like, you know, so I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: was incredibly frustrated. So discreetly for over a 20 year period,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: I was making inquiries because I don't like letting things go. Right.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: It was like this picture exists. And bloody hell, let's
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: get this one out there. But the story went dark.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: David Clark found Craig Lindsay. And the way he found
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Craig Lindsay, the guy that kept one of the prints,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: is that he got a declassified government document out of
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: the MOD's office that had redactions on it. And one
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: of the things it said was, it was 1990, and
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: they said, RAF press officer in Scotland, blacked out, you know,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: said that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, huh,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: who was the RAF press officer in 1990 in Scotland?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Craig Lindsay. Boom, contacts great Lindsay. They started communication going.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: And then after like.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: So much for redaction.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so much for redactions, right? And so this whole
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: dialogue starts going and they're developing. And then he goes, well, gosh,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: I might, I guess I might have one. It turns
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: out he ended up keeping one of those prints, which
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: he had. And that story broke probably two years ago.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: David Clark, again, I can't thank you enough. You deserve
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: accolades for this. And so I flew to England. I
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: met with David Clark and his crew, the people that
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: did the analysis work. Then I went up to Scotland.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: I met with Craig Lindsay, the RF press officer, gave
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: me the first and only on-camera interview about it, what
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: astonished him about it, the analysis work they did on it,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: what the witnesses said. But we didn't have the witnesses,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: the people that took the photograph. We didn't have them,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: but I was going to report on this anyway, just
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: because wow, this is the picture that we've all been
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: waiting for. This picture is phenomenal. But if you don't
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: have provenance and you don't have the background story on it,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: it could be AI. It could be right. It could
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: be a hoax. Some people call it a reflection, not
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: a reflection, not a hoax. So I'm ending production of
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: the program and I get a text from David Clark
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: and he goes, something big is about to happen. And
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I said, what? He goes, just sit tight. I can't
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: go public right now, but something big's going to happen.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: There's a new development. I hate teases. Well, I'm coming
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: out with it, I promise.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: But he teased you.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: He did tease me, but I was like, well, I'm
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: almost done with the movie, and if this is something
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I can include in the movie about the case, please
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: let me know. So long story short, this guy, Richard Greaves,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: who was one of the hotel cooks, worked in the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: kitchen with the photographers, with the two witnesses that took
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: the photograph, and Richard Greaves said, came forward on print,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: but I contacted David Clark. I was like, hey, can
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: you get me an interview with this guy? So he
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: kept putting it off, putting it off, putting it off.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: And then finally, I was like, I didn't want to be,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be persistent, but I didn't want to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: annoy the guy to the point where he's going like, hey,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: you know what? Fuck you. You're being annoying. But I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: got it right up to that point, right? Where I
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: was like, I was wrapping the movie. The movie's done
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: and I want to get this movie out because all
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: the people that participated wanted it out. And then I
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: finally sent him one final text, and I was like, look,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I'm really sorry to pester you, and I know you're
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: probably really busy, and I really appreciate the fact that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: you even said that you'll meet with me, but that
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: you'll give me an interview. And then probably about 10
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: o'clock that night, I'm in the edit room buttoning the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: film up, and all of a sudden I get a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: phone call, and he's like, I've just come out the pub,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: and I'm ready to go. I was like, okay, grab
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: a camera, roll it, let's record this. And he reveals
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: that He knew the witnesses. He worked with them in
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: the kitchen. He gave all the specifics. He provided their names.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: And then he said that two or three nights after
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: two or three nights, four nights after they took that photograph,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: they were all on a cigarette break at the hotel
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: early evening, pissing rain. He said a car rolled up.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: There were three guys in it, a driver and two
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: men in suits in the back. They roll up. They
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: come out. They say cigarette breaks over. They pull the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: two witnesses aside and they grill him, and you gotta
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: hear it directly from the horse's mouth. Richard Greaves said
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: that when they were all, the people that were not
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: involved with the incident were told to go back inside
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: the hotel, which they did, but they looked through the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: window and they saw, in the pissing rain, he said
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: they were out there for 10 or 15 minutes in
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: the pissing rain, and that these guys, they came back
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: inside and they were white as a, he said, he
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: literally goes, they came back inside and they were white
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: as a fucking ghost! Which we all get a good
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: laugh out of. And then they started drinking heavily, and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: within a couple of weeks, they vanished without a trace,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: and they've been gone ever since. So we report on this. Yeah,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: that's a replica.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: It's way too clear.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: That's a replica from Nick Pope, that he did it
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: for some series, talking about it. And that was before
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: the real photograph was found and printed.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Let's see the real photograph.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, show the real photograph again. I got it. There
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, so what was he doing? Show the fake one
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: one more time.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was just a recreation before it leaked out.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: So was he just recreating what he remembered?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Let me see the real one again.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: It's pretty damn good, isn't it, that he remembered that?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Not bad.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Not bad.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Missed the barbed wire fence, but not bad. Put in
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: a bunch of bullshit background.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: I went to the exact location.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: All the bullshit he put in there. Put in beautiful hills.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I know. I know. And that fence is still there.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: There was a.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: Go back to the real one?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that fence is still there.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I took an actual.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I took a.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: So what is that jet in the background?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: A Harrier jet is what I'm told. They're 99% sure.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: And was that Harrier jet trying to figure out what
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: this was?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Well, like I said, in the other prints, according to
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Craig Lindsay, the RAF press officer, he said the other
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: six prints or five prints... had that Harrier jet in
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: a different position. So he said it was as if
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the Harrier jet flew around checking that out.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Where are those other prints?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: We have other MOD just gone. They killed the story.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, the guy at the MOD who worked there,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Nick Pope, told me, that they did everything they could
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: to squash it because.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Don't you think they probably have it filed away somewhere?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Of course they do. Of course they didn't throw those
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: pictures away. Can you zoom in on this, Jeremy, please? Yeah,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: that's a really crap copy. You're looking at a really
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: bad print, you guys.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: Can you zoom in?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I've got a much better... I've got a much better
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: version of it.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: You got it on your phone?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: Text it to a homie. This image is... It's weird. Yeah,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: it's a... Because it's hard to see what you're looking at,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: It's... Yeah, well, let me show you a much better
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: copy of it. Hang on, let me just scroll up
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: here because I've got a really good, I got the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: original print of this copy. But, you know, people talk about,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: you know, the more compelling data and the links. So
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: this is, this is the photograph that I took at
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: the site. You can get an idea of that.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: See how, right? How similar, right?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Exactly the same.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Yep. And then here is, here's the, here's the print.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: And I could text that to you guys if you want.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, text that to me. I'll text it to James.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I'll text it to you guys.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Both of them. Send both of them. It's very interesting.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Very interesting case. I mean, again, I think it's one
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: of the best photographic cases because you're not dealing with
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: just a UFO. You've got a military jet in the background.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: And if you have a date and a location, guess what?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: That pilot's still out there. That pilot probably got it
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: on radar and probably got gun camphor.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: If he's still alive.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Well, he would have been probably... Young, right? Pilots are young.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: He would have been in his 30s or maybe early 40s,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: and that was 34 years ago. So chances are he's
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: still alive. They're pretty fit, right?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he's in his 70s.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to text this to you right now.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Here we go. Boom. You should have that. Did I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: get you all? Did I get all of them to you?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: And here is a picture of Craig Lindsay. This is great.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: You're going to love this. Okay, this is the guy
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: that kept it.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't get it yet.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: You didn't?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it's because I have my phone on
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: airplane mode.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: Take it off airplane mode, bro. I told you to
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, you did?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: I was trying to explain to you.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: It's off now.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Otherwise, it won't actually send it. Oh, it won't. Okay.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: All right. Here we go. Here we go.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: It's like dealing with my dad. I know.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: I'm so bad. I know. You were telling me how
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: to do it. I was like, I haven't done that before.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: It's funny. People that don't understand how to use their phones.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Tell me if that goes through. Okay.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: I'm waiting on it still.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Great shot.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Do you need me to send it?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Here, you do it. Here, there's that one, and there's
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: flip left to right on it. But, you know, it
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: just goes to show the lengths that the Intel community,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: the Ministry of Defense, the DOD go to hide the
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: more compelling photographic data because it's so easy to complain. Like, oh, well,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: if they were real, there would be good. Well, there
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: are some really good prints.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: Bro, you got Joe Exotic in your phone. I do.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: You guys are looking at other stuff I found drones
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: that you can I don't know that they're commercially available
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: did you get all the ones you wanted but you
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: can have a drone up for 24 plus hours.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: That didn't send it to me either are you serious.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah so weird am I sending to the wrong telephone number.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Let me see your number the number you have you
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: might have my.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Old one well I have it I definitely have it
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: on signal here you do it here fuck it you
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: take over you drive let me see because I'm clearly
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: failing at this.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: One I'm just going to check to see what I
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: sent it to because I changed my number People get weird.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, I can totally imagine that would be the case.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: I found some drones that these companies say that you
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: can take off anywhere. They're showing them taking off from
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: small platforms in the ocean. They can stay up in
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: the air for 14-plus hours. They're small, and they do
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: have propellers. I will say that.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I said, the question isn't are all
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: these drones explainable by aliens, and the answer obviously is no.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: The question is are any of these bona fide UAPs
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: And there's definitely some evidence to suggest that's the case.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: But again, there's always misidentification of more conventional stuff, right?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: And there's always, and then there's a stubborn core percent. Like,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. This is something that I've
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: discussed a little bit recently. Did you find it okay? Yes. Okay, good. Finally,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: we got that enigma worked out.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just your 5G is very slow.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're using AT & T. What are you using?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm using Verizon.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: Verizon. I use Verizon, too. Really? Yeah, it's just real slow.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Do I have, whatchamacallit on?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: I accidentally sent myself these other ones of the guy
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: holding it up, too.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, cool. Yeah, that's cool. That's Craig Lindsey.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: So, I'll send this to you, Jamie.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: So, let me tell you a little story that's pretty cool,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: which I never thought that this would happen. I... There
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: was a guy, Kirk McConnell, who was Senate Armed Service Committee,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: and he participated at the very last minute in my film.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: He's in the trailer. And he, in an official capacity
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: with a high-level clearance, he had been investigating UFOs ever
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: since the New York Times article in 2017. So he
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: was behind the scenes 2017, 2018, the tail end of 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 22, 23, 24,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: and then he stepped down. And he came.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Through some intel folks, we got in touch, and I said, hey, man,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: my film's almost done. If you want, I could squeeze
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: in one final interview. He decided to participate. Up he went.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: We became friends. We've been talking. And he said, hey,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: I could probably arrange a meeting because there's some mutual
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: interest in some UFO cases and evidence that I've been
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: going after as a civilian. But he goes, hey, on
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: the inside, if you want, I can hook you up
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: with the heads of Arrow, the new heads of Arrow,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: John Koskowski, and this other guy, Ryan, who was Air
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Force Office Special Investigations. This was just a couple weeks ago.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: So I went to the congressional hearings, which was incredible.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: And people say, oh, it was a big nothing burger.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: But you know what? It was very exciting seeing people
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: testify under oath. There's a crash relief program. Seeing a
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: rear admiral, Tim Galladet, saying that they're under the water.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty fascinating stuff. So I had to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: apply for a security background on me, which was about
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: 48 hours. And then I got approval for that. And
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: then I showed up. at a wing across the street
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: from the Pentagon. And I had to go through the
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: metal detector. And then there are these kind of exciting
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: for me because I had never had this kind of
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: experience before. There were these like glass tube type things
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: that were lined up like in a row. And only
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: one person go in at a time. The doors open
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: just like in Star Trek. And you walk in and
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: that door closes. And then another one opens. You go
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: through the other side. Then I had to get rid
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: of my phone and everything and leave it outside. And
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: then I go into a SCIF, which is a sensitive
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: compartmented information facility. his gifts, all super top secret, whatever. And, uh,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: and I got to meet with the new head of Arrow,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: John Koskowski. And I was like, I can't believe I'm
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: in the belly of the beast. This is crazy. Like I'm, how,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: how could I, I'm a civilian. I don't, I don't
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: belong here. But we started talking to just very nonchalantly,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: you know, I said, Hey, um, you guys got to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: throw us a bone. I said, you know, we're not
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: going away. The story is not going away. And I said,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: and you know what we're ultimately dealing with. I mean,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: obviously the vast majority of UAP or UFOs can be
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: and have been explained away in down-to-earth conventional terms, right?
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: But there's a stubborn core 15, 20% that really defy
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: conventional explanation, not because of a lack of data, because
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: they truly can't explain what these things do. And you
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: know well, you've had many people on. These objects exhibit
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: a technology that's just light years advanced from anything that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: we have. And it's been well-documented since the 1940s. And
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: possibly some people would say, way before that. But modern
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: day UFO wave, no question. So there's two stories. One
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: is someone's been in possession of this revolutionary technology for
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: 85 plus years and kept it secret. Or two, we're
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: not alone, right? NHI. So I said to the gentleman,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: very candidly, we're probably dealing with a small percentage of NHI.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: What's the plan to tell the general public? And this
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: is just a couple weeks ago. And he looked at
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: me and he goes, James, I can't part my hair
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: without approval from the DOD. And you can quote me
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: on that. And that was him, in my opinion, telling me, hey,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: this is structured in a way that my hands are tied.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I can uncover all the things in the world, but
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I can't tell the general public or even Congress without
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: the DOD approving it first. So that's what's kind of
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: happening right now. And one of the reasons why we
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: were so fortunate to get the number of people I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: say whistleblowers or potential whistleblowers or people to come forward
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: in the program is because they were super frustrated with
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: the previous head of era, which is a guy named
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Sean Kirkpatrick, which basically just kind of blanket, you know,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: denied pretty much almost everything. And people were extremely disappointed
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Just like Blue Book.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like Blue Book, yeah.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: They've always done that, right?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, it brings us back. But not everybody's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: doing it. Not everybody's doing it.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: There's a bunch of, well, I think now also with
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: the internet, there's ways to get information out that's much
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: quicker and cleaner.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: No question.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Than trusting a reporter.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: You know, and then your life's in danger.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: And the reporter gets threatened.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now things just kind of get out.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: So, well, I've thought about this. Like, you know, I'm
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: going back to Brazil and I thought, you know, I'm
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: obviously going after, you know, additional eyewitness testimony.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: We're going after the photographic stuff. And those of you
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: out there that are like tired of hearing about it. Well,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I spent 20 plus years in search of the photograph
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: that I featured just now, that one with the background
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: story on it, provenance, that sort of thing.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: Jamie, go look at the one that I sent you.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: It's a better version.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, and so I just, because you've, You know,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: you can't, after a year or two, haven't successfully obtained stuff.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: So this is a better version.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a better version. You can see the granular
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: of the film footage.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: It's weird. It almost looks like there's something in the back.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: It does look a little bit like that. Like a little.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: Propeller or something, like a Jetsons type thing.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: But let's just say.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: And that thing was silent, supposedly?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Silent. According to the witnesses, it didn't make any sound.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: It hovered there for an extended period of time. And
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: when it took off, it took off straight vertical like this.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: Straight up.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: Fast?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: It started going fast, faster, faster, faster, and then it
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: was gone. Yep, that was Craig Lindsay who interviewed the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: witnesses who told me that. And it's so weird, though.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: According to Richard Greaves in Scotland, the Americans got involved.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Of course, we get involved in everything.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, they showed up and they intimidated the shit out
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: of the witnesses. And I I know people can criticize
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: me for reporting on these alleged men in black, but
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: it's not me saying it. It's the witnesses that are
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: saying it. And I did it full bore for the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: first time, full bore for the first time in moment
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: of contact, because I remember hearing these stories for decades.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: And I finally was like, everyone's going to think I'm
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: crazy if I report on this, but this lady who
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: was the mother of the two daughters that saw, that
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: had these visits and the intimidation. And I was like,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: screw it. I'm just going to report on this and
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: I'll just take the criticism, you know? And then I
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: wasn't expecting this for the, to be the case with
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: this photograph, but lo and behold, it was. But, um, anyway, uh, it's,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: it's a huge story. It, in my opinion, they can't
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: put the genie back in the bottle. It's coming out
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: and it's drip, drip, drip. But I have to remind
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: your audience, people that are feeling impatient and that we've
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: had three open congressional hearings in the last three years.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: We hadn't had any in over 50 years prior to that.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: It's definitely, even though it's still difficult to get information
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: and figure out what's actually going on, there's way more
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: open mainstream discussion of it.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: And it's frustrating at times. I get it. You know,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: people are like, oh, well, why are all these people?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Why can't they just say, why can't David Grush just
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: tell us, you know? Well, I can remind people that
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: the DOD has stripped David Grush of his clearances and
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: won't allow him to get into a skip. This is
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: one of the things. I talked to this guy, Brian Benner,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: who appears in the movie Politico, and he goes, if
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Congress finds out about it, one thing we know on
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: the Hill is that you're going to find out about it.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: They can't keep a secret it's going to leak. So
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: they've been doing everything they can, I imagine as a DOD,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: to prevent Grush from going into a skip with members
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: of Congress to release and reveal the.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Classified details necessary to verify his claims, okay?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: If you've been keeping this under wraps for 60 plus
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: years or whatever they've been doing, would you really tell AOC?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: Would you really pull her aside and tell her?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, any members of Congress with the proper
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: clearances and feel like they want to have that information.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with her. I'm just saying, pick a young one.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: You're going to give them all that information?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: Exactly. They don't want them to have that information. There's
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: no question about it.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: That's what I would imagine. That's probably why they won't
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: let Grush get into a skim.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: So here's another thing I'd like to mention is that
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: David Grush claims that he gave even a street address
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: to the ICIG, which is Thomas Monheim. That's the Intelligence
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Community Inspector General. So... I'm asking members of Congress to
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: support all their efforts. You know, Burchett, who's been amazing,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: regardless of what your politics, the guy's phenomenon. He's been
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: really pushing for transparency. He's a super solid guy. You
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: got Mace. You got Moskowski. What's his name? From Florida.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Garcia from California. AOC, New York. Luna. And then, of course,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: you got the Senate side. You got Rubio, who totally
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: knows where this stuff is. Rounds. Schumer. And if you
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: look at the NDAA, you can see the language in
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: plain sight. I mean, it's phenomenal what's going on. And
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: I think that our elected officials that are really pushing
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: for transparency need to hear from us, need to hear
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: from the citizens and know that we support their efforts
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: and that we have their backs and continuing to push
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: for transparency, to push to find out what the hell
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: is going on. I mean, imagine if it's true. Imagine
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: if we have spaceships and we have biologics bodies, okay? Mm-hmm.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: That is not just implications for the United States. That's
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: global implications. I mean, the impacts, the ripple effect that
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: would have around the world for that confirmation to happen.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: No doubt.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: It would be huge.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: Well, the human race deserves to know. It shouldn't be
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: unelected officials and Defense Department people that know about this stuff.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: I totally agree.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: Unless... Unless... This is what I had a conversation with
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: Ryan Graves yesterday. The way I would argue it, if
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: I was a military person, I would say this is
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: a national security interest. And we are trying to back
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: engineer this stuff. We're not successful. If China steals our data,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: if Russia can back engineer one before, if Iran gets
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: one before us, we're fucked. Because these things are insanely sophisticated.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: We would obviously weaponize the technology. That's obvious.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, duh. It's like 101, right?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why would we not?
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: The basics. I mean, if you could put a nuke
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: on one of those things, I mean, the exhibited technology
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: that people say, people that have witnessed this stuff say
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: it goes from a standstill to out of sight in
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: the blink of an eye. I mean, these objects. What
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: was it? David Fravor said it went from space.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: 50,000 feet above sea level.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: To sea level.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: In one second.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: In one second.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: That's. It's insane.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: We talked about it yesterday. Oh, you did?
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: It's an insane amount of speed. And the way Ryan
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: explained it in terms of the amount of force you
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: would need is equivalent to how many nuclear bombs did
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: he say? Something insane. Like the entire nuclear arsenal has
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: to be taken to generate that kind of power. Whatever
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: it is, if these things... Stories are true. It's doing
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: something that we don't understand. So if it's ours, I
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: kind of get why they wouldn't want to spill the beans.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: My thought once was what if this is not weaponizable
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: with our current technology? Like what if these things are
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: our drones but they don't know how to put a
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: weapon on it yet? Like, because whatever you do, it
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: moves at a speed.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: I have a problem with that. I have a problem
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: with that theory. And the problem I have is that
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: the United States government has documented close encounters of a
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: third kind. That's beings connected.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: That's their own files, right? That's not me saying it.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: So it's not just these objects exhibiting revolutionary technology for
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: at least 80 years, right? No wings, no tail, no
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: visible means of propulsion, the ability to hover, accelerate, out
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: of sight in the blink of an eye, right angle
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: turns at high speed, no wake, no sonic boom, that
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. but you also have reports, credible reports,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: of beings connected to some of the craft. And that's
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: documented all around the world. So that eliminates, right?
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: If it's true. Well, yeah. Just because something's written down
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: somewhere doesn't mean that someone didn't write it down as
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: a psyop, someone didn't write it down to discredit other
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: people with a ridiculous story. One way to discredit a
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: credible story is to attach it to a bunch of
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: ridiculous stories. So if I was going to hide some
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: sort of technology, one thing I would do is connect
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: it to a bunch of kooky stuff, a bunch of
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: psychic stuff and remote viewing, just a bunch of things
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: that people very easily dismiss. UFO abductions, UFO encounters, encounters
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: with an actual being. But put a bunch of stuff
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: in there that makes people go, what? Is this real?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: And just enough. Just enough so that you can hide
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: the real stuff in there.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: And again, I'm playing devil's advocate.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm doing. And again, I've said this earlier
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: on the show, and I'll say it again, is the
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: reason why I believe David Grush, who testified, not just
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: because he testified.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I believe David, but David doesn't have firsthand experience that.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: He's talked about. I know, I know. But the reason
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: why I believe him is because it aligns with my
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: research in the field. Remember, I spent over 12 years
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: investigating on and off with my buddy Marco Leal in Virginia, Brazil,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: That UFO crash case and only found out last minute
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: the last time I was there that the Americans were
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: involved So I was like, oh my god, the rumors
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: are are true Like, you know, the Americans really are
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: do you see like I've obviously looked into Roswell for
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: years I went to Roswell the 50th anniversary.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: This is how the deal works, bro. You want the
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: aid we get the UFOs We give you the aid,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: but if a crash UFO you fucking call us. Yeah,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: stay out of there Don't be carrying that dude to
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: the hospital Leave it to us And then we'll just
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: scoop that up and shut the fuck up. What do
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: you think about that? One of the craziest stories is
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: that there's a building somewhere that's an enormous building that
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: was actually built around the UFO because the UFO was
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: too big to move. You've heard this story?
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: It was reported on News Nation with Ross Calhart.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: Well, that's got to be real.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Well, Ross Calhart is a credible... He seems legit.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: He's got an accent.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: He's got a great accent.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: He's got an Australian accent.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Not quite British.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: We believe you if you have an accent.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: But it's close.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: You're more credible than a New York accent.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: There's something about a British accent that just adds credibility
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: to anything.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: There was some guy from New York. So we got
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: this fucking car. Sorry, mate.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: We put it over here.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: This thing was absolutely huge. This spaceship's so fucking big.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: Build a building around it.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: But they talked about it.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: Now, here's... What is this building? And where is it
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: supposed to be?
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're holding them back.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: I really don't know.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: You haven't investigated this?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: I have a little bit, but I don't have the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: same connections on that. But I'll tell you a case
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: that I do think needs to get looked into.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're going to move us around away from this.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because this is one that I— Well,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: this is— no, but this is a craft, a recovered craft.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: He's a government agent, this guy.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: So there's a memo in the program that was, through
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: the DOPSRA process, was released. Unfortunately, some of the names
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: are redacted. Christopher Mellon obtained it. It was from a
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: correspondence he had with a high-level government official back in 2020.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: It just got approved for release, I don't know, maybe
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: a year ago. It's featured in the doc. And in it,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: it has the names of not just the gatekeeper, but
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: other people, names who found the gatekeeper to the crash
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: retrieval program. I'm told that unredacted versions of that have
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: been handed to select members of Congress and people that
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: are investigated in an official capacity with the government. But
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: in it, they specifically mention a case, not crash, a
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: landed case that happened in 1953. It came in Arizona.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: So I've made some inquiries with aerospace folks that I've
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: been meeting with quietly, and I'm like, what's this case
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: that you guys keep talking about with the King in Arizona?
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, it was like, uh, they just landed
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: and left. I was like, well, how do you know they,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: what do you mean landed and left? And they're like, well,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: the doors are open and nobody home. And they walked off.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: I said, you mean somebody just flew this thing down.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: It landed on the ground in the desert and came
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: in Arizona in 1953 and they left the doors open
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: and left. And they were like, yep, that's pretty much
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: what happened.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: So they left the craft there.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Somebody just, they flew it down and left a craft
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: on the ground. I was told that. And I wouldn't
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: be repeating this if I didn't think there was some
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: serious credibility to it. But apparently it was.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: Well, doesn't that align with how Diana Pasolka and Gary
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: Nolan have started describing these things as donations?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Well, the individual that I talked to was so funny
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: because this individual was like, not a scratch. And I go,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: not a scratch. What? Not a scratch. Not a scratch
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: on the. No, it was perfect. Didn't have a scratch.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my gosh. This sounds like somebody
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: who's more than just heard about this. But one of
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: the aspects of it didn't have a scratch on it.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: So I think that's a case that I think that
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: people should definitely look into.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: So the firsthand witness said it didn't have a scratch?
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the way they described it.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: This is the problem.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: This is the problem I have with all this stuff.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: If you were Travis Walton.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Love that guy.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: I love that guy, too.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Fascinating story.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed. We got a bobblehead. That's a Travis
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: Walton bobblehead.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, no way.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: Yes way. I got it from Travis. That's him staring
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: at the sky.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: When he was a young man.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: I went to the location. That's a remote spot.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: I'm interested in that because that's a firsthand witness.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: That's a guy. He's explaining his bizarre experience. He's told
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: the same story.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: No question.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: For whatever, 50, 60 years.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Whatever the hell it's been.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: 1975.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: Whatever it was since he got abducted. Almost 50 years.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: So this guy was there. That was his story. I'm
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: interested in that. When I hear a guy told a
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: guy that this is what happened and this is how
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: he described it, I'm like, hmm.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Super frustrating.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: So talking to Jay Sands.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, firsthand.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: Again, firsthand was like, what the fuck are you saying?
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: Face to face, yes.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: Tell me what it was doing. What did it look like?
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: He thought it was an adolescent too. He didn't think
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: that it was a full grown one. He thought it
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: was young.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Well, he's got an illustration of it in the documentary.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: And I tell you, it's one of the crazy. I
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: remember after hearing. I know. I was like, this is true?
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is crazy.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: Face to face, I said, of course we are.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: This is something that we didn't reveal in the documentary.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: It was really funny. He thought that this individual was
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: suffering from frostbite or what's that when you get really cold?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: Hypothermia.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Hypothermia. Skin had a blue tint to it. So he
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: took his jacket off and he. very insistently put the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: jacket on this individual because he was thinking this person's really,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: really cold. He's been out in the desert, probably had
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: a plane crash or whatever. And so he's putting his
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: jacket on. The person was kind of resistant, but Jason said,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: I insisted. I took one layer of my jacket and
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: I put it around this individual's and that individual left
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: with the jacket on. So we jokingly, I jokingly say,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: where do you think your jacket is now? He's like,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: probably out there at El Zatari or God only knows.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: Or right here. This is the thing that gets me. Logistically.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, if these things are coming from the ocean, just logistically,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: you'd have to have a large ship. So we were
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: talking about this with Ryan yesterday, and I was saying,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: if they had a battleship, we'd be able to see that, right?
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: Like 100%. He says, so it would have to be
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: a submarine. I'm like, Jesus Christ, what if there really
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: is some sort of a civilization underwater that has existed,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: co-existed with us forever?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Did you hear about the testimony by Rear Admiral Tim
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: Gallaudet just recently in Congress?
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: Is this the one where the thing's moving underwater 500 knots?
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: Yes. He's reporting.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: Explain it to people what he said.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: I don't have all that you can look it up.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Just what you can remember. that are exhibiting a technology
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: underwater that defies any conventional explanation. Things that are just
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: virtually impossible. Like so much faster than the fastest submarine
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. And they're really big.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's moving as if there's no resistance underwater. So
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: moving like a fighter jet would in the air, it's
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: moving like that underwater.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they call it transmedium or something. But confirmation, I mean, that's...
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: And I actually spoke to Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet on
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: a couple of occasions recently. And I thanked him for
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: coming forward and testifying. And he said, you know, I
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: felt an obligation to do so because a lot of
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: my men, the pilots, were coming forward and I wanted
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: to back them up. And so that's why he stepped
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: forward and testified.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: Well, if you're coming here from somewhere else and you
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: wanted to hide in plain sight, you would hide in
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: the ocean, especially if you have the technology to completely
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: negate any of the effects of the water and the pressure.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: At least explore the surface. Place on Earth.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we can't get to it. We don't have the
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: technology to get. They know we don't. They know it's
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: really hard to get a submarine out to wherever the
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: fuck they would be. What's his name?
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: Cameron.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Cameron. By himself. I would never do that.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: He's a wild boy.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Isn't that like 35,000 feet down?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: How far is it? It's something bizarre like that. I mean,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: that's those poor folks.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Would you go down in a submarine by yourself?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: Hell no. Definitely not a homemade one like the one
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: those people died in. Yeah, but there's another thing about
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: that case. When the people went down in that submarine, apparently,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: I guess it's the Navy, has some sort of very
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: sophisticated underwater audio sensors. And they heard the implosion and
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: they knew about it like immediately.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: And didn't report on it.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think the problem with reporting on
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: it is that you have to report on your technology now.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: So I don't even know if this has been confirmed,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: but this is what I had heard.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Methods and means are.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: Well, it's also... It's got to be top secret. It's
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: got to be one of those things where if you're
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: going to reveal that you heard that, you have to
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: have clearance to do it. You probably have to run
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: it up the ladder.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: One of the reasons why we know about overhead satellite
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: imagery of UAP is because of Ratcliffe, who was former
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: head of ODNI. And he came forward. And I remember
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: it's funny, actually, because it was classified. And Christopher Mellon
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: participated in this latest production with me because of Ratcliffe
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: revealing it on Fox News. And Ratcliffe basically says, yeah,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: we have overhead collection satellite data of UAP that are
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: pretty fucking far out. And that, yeah, that happens. So
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: they're talking about this. But getting back to your point,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: because I know you said you were frustrated. You're like,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's just another anecdotal piece of evidence, a
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: piece of testimony, third party, not firsthand.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm frustrated.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. What I'm saying is I totally agree
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: with you. I'm frustrated. As somebody who's been chasing this
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: story for 30 years, I, too, want access to the better,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: more compelling data. That's why I chased after that photograph
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: I just shared with you earlier on for as long
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: as I did because I hear about something and I
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: go after it. But I want to remind your audience,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: you can't go after something without knowing that it exists.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: So you get the leads. We're learning more about the programs.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: We're learning how these programs are hidden, these WUSAPs. They're waived, unacknowledged,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: special access programs probably hidden somewhere in the deal. I know.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: It sounds crazy. But at least giving some guidance to
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: where are these things and how these things are hidden,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: where they might be found. We reveal there's a gentleman
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: in the film called Navy X. And people are like, ah,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: it's just another person testifying anonymously. Well, yes, true. But
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: he gives us specifics on telling members of Congress where
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: to look to find specifics. JWICs, what is it? And
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: this is where to find the more compelling data. I'm
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: going to read this because it's important that people know that.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: He's saying, look, I've seen it, and this is where
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: it is. It's called the official UAP data is kept
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: either in SIPR, Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, or JWICS,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communication System, that's used by the DoD
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: and only available in a SCIF. And a SCIF is
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. So is it frustrating to
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: hear that? And people criticize, oh, it's just another person.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: But he's saying, I've seen it. It's phenomenal. He gives
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: descriptions of some of the stuff he saw, and he's
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: telling members of Congress, if you have the clearances, this
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: is where it's being kept. So those are very good specifics.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: And again, I remind you guys, like, okay, just be patient.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: This is not a 100-yard dash. We're running a marathon
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: right now. An ultra-marathon. We are.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: I want to get back to what I was talking
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: about earlier. Logistically. Logistically.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: If you're letting something go from the ocean.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: If you're flying it out of the ocean. Logistically. Logistically.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: you would have to have some sort of a large
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: craft out there that's going to house these things or
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: it's going to launch from, right? If it is actually
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: coming from the ocean.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're saying the drones you're talking about right now. Right. Yes.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: So either they're ours, and if they are ours, how
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: do they hide the fact that there's a battleship out there?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: Is that possible? And if it's from a submarine, how
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: do they develop a submarine that can launch 50 car-sized
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: or SUV-sized drones from?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the things that Christopher Mellon said
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: to me this morning. He goes, that's the one element
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: or aspect that really is a head-scratcher.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: But this is the question.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: 50 of these things coming in off the ocean, that's
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: just confirmed.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: No one's denying that.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: But here's the question. Yes. Is it possible to classify
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: the location of a U.S. battleship that's capable of having
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: these things? So big. How could you like... How big
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: would it have to be to launch 50 drones?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: God, you're talking... I don't know, man. But that's a
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: lot of drones, especially the size they're reporting. They're talking
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: about drones the size of an SUV. Right.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: With super long loiter time. Let's imagine you... So when
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: you take a ferry... How many cars can a ferry
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: fit on it?
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: I take a ferry all the time in Vermont.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: Like a big one, like a legit one, like a
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: European ferry. 50 cars?
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: I put, well, the one that's medium legit, I put 25, 30,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: maybe 40, 25 to 30. Yeah.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: So couldn't you do that with drones? And couldn't you
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: have something that's a little larger than the average ferry?
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: So you wouldn't need a battleship.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: Why would they do that? Why would they do that
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: over residential areas? Why would they have everybody scratching their heads?
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: All these press conferences. You're talking about the head of
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: the gang of eight, right?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: But if they need to patrol those guys, if they
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: are really looking for a nuke. Okay, let's imagine that
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: this story about a Ukrainian nuke from the time when
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: they disarmed them, there's one that's unaccounted for. This is
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: one of those stories that's been on the internet. I
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: don't know if it's true. That it's unaccounted for and
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: that they think it's headed to the United States. If
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: you were trying to find that thing.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Like a dirty bomb?
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or like just a regular nuke that if you're
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: looking for gamma rays, you could devise a drone that
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: could search for that. And you'd fly it over an
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: area and you wouldn't care whether people freaked out because
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: it's more important to find this goddamn thing.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: So if you have this technology, it's some skunk works.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: You can't do it from space?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I think you have to
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: be there.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Certain proximity within. I think. To pick up whatever. Did
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: you bring this up with Ryan Graves?
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: What did he say?
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't know either. He doesn't think so.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: Everybody that I trust, people in the FBI, people that
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: I communicate with often, I'm like, what is going on?
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: It almost seems too sexy that the United States has
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: that kind of ability and they're just flying these things
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: around and that they're doing it for that specific reason
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: to find a nuke. It's like that we have this
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: kind of technology that none of us are aware of,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: that we have these drones that can shut off when
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: you come close to them. The lights shut off, they disappear.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they go dark.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: Avoid tracking the RF signal. It doesn't show up. They're cool.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: They have some sort of cooling mechanism in them, so
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: it's difficult to see with infrared. I don't understand any
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: of that. He was saying that's above what we can
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: do right now. But they're not moving in a way
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: necessarily that's not possible with drone technology that is mainstream.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: But there's some aspects of the way they move and
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: what they're doing that doesn't lead them to believe that
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: this is current state-of-the-art technology as far as we know.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Even I had some people tell me, like, even
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: if it's conventional, it's highly advanced conventional. Right.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: But let's look at China. Like, China has highly advanced drones.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: We were talking about this as well, that the bottleneck
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: in America was the FAA. The FAA put a lot
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: of restrictions on the manufacture of drones and how you
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: can do them, what you can do. China doesn't have
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: any of that, so they're full steam ahead with innovation.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: If you look at what drone manufacturers in the United
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: States have been able to do and then imagine untethered
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: if they weren't fucked over by all these regulations that
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: got in the way of innovation. Obviously, you have to
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: have one because if you have some commercial drone that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: someone can buy that can move 500 miles an hour
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: and fly through the air and stay up there for
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: six hours at a time and film video of everything
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: and anything... Well, and you can't control it. You can't
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: block the radar screen. You can't find it with infrared.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: That's pretty nuts. So I would imagine that would not
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: be a thing they would want in the hands of
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: the average American person.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: But why did it just start happening fairly recently?
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: When I say this, I'm saying if it's Chinese, if
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: it's Chinese, if they if they're unburdened by our regulations
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: and not only do they have the help of the government,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: they have financing behind them. They have an imperative. They're
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: told what to do.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: They're flying it over Langley. They're flying it over.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't you do that? Just to fuck with these people?
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: What's the golf course that Trump has?
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, his golf course.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: What's that called?
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Westminster?
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: They're flying over that?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: The president-elect?
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Langley Air Force Base did experience incursions of unauthorized, unbanned
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: aerial systems in last year, December 2023, says Sabrina Singh,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: Pentagon spokeswoman. The number of those UAS incursions did fluctuate.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: but they didn't appear to exhibit any hostile intent. It's
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: something that we have kept our eye on. Well, thank
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: God you're keeping your eye on it.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: We have no idea what they are, but they're fine.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Nothing to worry about.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: This is the third year in a row this has
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: been happening right around Christmas time.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I wanted you guys to
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: hear that account by the guy at Vandenberg Air Force Base,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: this is not anonymous reporting. The guy's giving his name,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: and he's talking about objects that are the size of
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: a football field, hovering over a silo, launch control area.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: That's also the Phoenix Lights. They describe them as the
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: size of a football field or larger.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I interviewed a guy. There was a case
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: that happened right here in Texas, Stephenville. Ricky Sorrell is
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: one of the best witnesses. I love the guy. He
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: was a hunter. And he's like, James, you could have
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: landed an airplane on this. I said, you've got to
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: be kidding me. He goes, no, man. I stood under
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: this thing. He goes, it was so big, I was
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: standing under it, and he had his rifle. And he's
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: standing under it, and he's looking up. And he's looking
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: to the left. He's looking to the left, right, back, forward.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Can't see the edge of it in any direction. So
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: he grabs his hunting rifle. He was hunting. Dear, this
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: is 2008. He grabs his hunting rifle.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: Please don't tell me he shot it.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: No. Well, so he holds his rifle up, and he's
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: looking through the scope. And he goes, Jan, I'm a
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: metal worker. I work with metal. I know what metal
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: looks like. And he's looking through the scope, and he goes, man,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: there's no rivets. There's no seams. There's no weld marks.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: He's like, there were these, on the belly of it,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: there were these reverse, like, recessed cones. It's like bigger.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: And then they got smaller as it went up into
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: the belly of the craft. He's looking up at it
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: and his fingers on the trigger. And he's like, man,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: I wonder, wasn't that how you go? I wonder what
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: happened if I just pulled the trigger here and I
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: bet it would ricochet off or hit the belly or something.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: So he's looking at it and he's just about to
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: pull the trigger to check it out. And he goes, hmm,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: maybe this isn't such a good idea. I interviewed him
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: in 2008 when this is going down. And then about
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: a year later, I was doing some follow-up interviews for
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: a film I did. I know what I saw. And
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: I had this gentleman walk up to me, and I
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: was filming in the downtown square in Stephenville, or it
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: might have been Dublin. And this gentleman looks at me,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: and he goes, you Mr. Fox? And I was like, yes.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: And he pulls out a badge, and he shows me
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: his badge. And he's like, can I talk to you
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: for a minute? I'm officer of so-and-so. And I was like,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, what the hell did I do? And I said, yeah, sure.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: And we walk off to a cafe, and he goes...
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: He had his back to the wall in the cafe
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: so he could see everybody coming in. He was really paranoid.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: And he said, you know Ricky Soros? I said, yeah.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: He goes, that guy's telling the truth. I said, how
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: do you know? He goes, because the whole police department
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: saw it. I can't remember if it was Dublin Police
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Department or Stephenville. I think it was Dublin Police Department.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: He said, we were sitting over there in patrol cars,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: and this object was like a floating department store.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Absolutely colossal, like a city. Took out my radar gun,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: pointed it at it. And it was doing 22 miles
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: an hour. And then he said it drifted off. And
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: one of the officers, I don't remember the name of
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: the gentleman, took his dash cam and he flipped it
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: up and he filmed it. And apparently one of the
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: biggest mistakes this individual made, this police officer made, was
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: that he didn't make a copy of it because the
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: local Air Force base requested that film footage and got it.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: And so I've been telling people to go after that stuff.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: But my point is this object, was so big, people
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: claimed the witnesses, the firsthand witnesses that you had landed
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: an airplane on it.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, what is, what is that?
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: Those are the cases. What happens if you see that?
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. Like, if you see that, do you
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: even tell people? You sound like a kook.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: Like, if I saw it, if I was outside in
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: the desert, and I was just chilling, and something so
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: big that I couldn't see the edges of it flew overhead,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know what I'd say.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: He said when it took off, it was like this.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: He goes, James, and, Ricky didn't want to give me
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: an on-camera interview for the longest time. He said, I'm
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: not coming forward. I'm not going to do it. I'm
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: not going public. I worked on him for eight months. Finally,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: I got the green light. I flew back out to Texas,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: got him on camera, put him in the movie. But
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: he said when it took off, it went from this,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: a complete standstill, and it went straight up, like at
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: a slight angle, but straight up and gone. He goes, James,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: I said, describe the acceleration. He goes, I'll tell you,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: the best way I can describe it is had I blinked,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: I would have missed it. That's how fast it took off.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: So it went from here, like that. He had helicopters
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: hovering over his... I know this sounds crazy. People are
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: going to be like, oh, this big... But he had
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: helicopters flying over his property for a while, right around
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: the time that I was trying to get him to
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: go on camera. He came out in his underwear and
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: his shotgun late at night with his helicopter spotlighting him up,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: and he ended up calling the local Air Force base
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: and said, stop flying over my house at night. And
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: they said, we suggest you stop talking about what you saw.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: And so... He was kind of spooked. And about eight
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: months later, he finally decided that he was going to
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: go public with the story. But, you know, everything to lose,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: nothing to gain. You get this countless reports of these cases,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and they're around the world, right? It's not
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: just the United States. I've demonstrated that time and time again.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: But there's more of them in the United States than
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: anywhere else, right?
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, one of my favorite cases, Rua Zimbabwe.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: That's an amazing case. Right, right, right.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: But. There's more sightings in the United States than anywhere else, right?
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: There seems to be an attraction almost like a moth
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: to a flame with nukes. Somehow they're interested in our
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: nuclear capabilities. And I remember interviewing Robert Salas, who was
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: a launch control officer. who described this whole event at
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: maelstrom air force base in the 60s where these ufos
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: were witnessed on the base and then all their minute
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: man missiles started getting shut down and i remember saying
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: to him like well what what uh what's what's your
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: take on that like what kind of you know he
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: goes And I realized why this individual was a launch
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: control officer, because he was so measured and so calm
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: and so cool. And he goes, well, James, the message
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: I got was kind of clear. It's almost like taking
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: matches out of the hands of a baby. About the nukes. Yeah. So,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: you know, with the phenomenon, you look at what they do, right?
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: And that says some things. They've done some pretty brazen events, right,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: over the decades. But you also look at what they
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: don't do. Because if the phenomenon wanted to end this, like,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: you know, secrecy once and for all, all they'd have
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: to do is hover over the Macy's Day Parade or
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: the next big Super Bowl and it's game over. They
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: don't do that. They've done some pretty brazen things, right?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, case in point, March 13th, 97, over the
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: state of Arizona, including the governor, Fife Simon, witnessed that massive,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: there were a number of UFOs witnessed, but the main
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: one you know, was this big boomerang-shaped craft. And even
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: the governor said it must have been at least a
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: mile across from wingtip to wingtip that floated. And I
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: actually interviewed people that worked at Luke Air Force Base
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: at the time, and they said that they scrambled jets
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: to intercept this thing. And I interviewed a number of
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: people that saw that craft. I mean, that stood on their,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: that lied down on their lawns and watched it float
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: over the top of them. And apparently, according to this
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: individual that I met in the late 90s at Luke
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: Air Force Base, They scrambled a military jet to intercept
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: this thing. He came up on it, could have landed
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: on the damn thing. It was so big. And it
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: went from moving very, very slowly to accelerating like warp drive. Boom,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: just gone. When the jet came back to the base,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: Luke Air Force Base, they had to carry him out
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: of the plane, I'm told, because he was so shaken
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: by what he saw.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine you wouldn't handle that well.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine having to keep that secret?
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine, like... Could you imagine taking the ultimate?
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: Well, the governor had to lie, right? The governor had
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: to like stand up with a rope, a guy in.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: A- Dressed in an alien suit. Yeah, an alien costume. Yeah.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: I hammered him on that one.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: Well, then afterwards, once he left office, then he talked
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: And he talked about seeing it.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: I wonder why he had to do that though.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: I got, oh, well, so I interviewed, I was the
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: one that got him to break his silence after 10 years.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: And he told me, and I don't necessarily know that
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: I fully believe it, But he told me, because initially
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: when it happened in March, and remember, the vast majority
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: of people were out under the night sky to get
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: a glimpse of the Hellbob Comet. So it was witnessed
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: all the way across the state of Arizona and even
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: in Nevada, southern Nevada. And yeah, there he is. Fife
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: told me that it was growing hysteria. But initially he
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: had set out and he said, we're going to find out.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: I'm contacting Luke Air Force Base, reach out to the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Pentagon and all these various services, and we're going to
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it. And then I don't
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: know how much longer it was. Was it later that
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: day or was it the next day? He held an
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: unscheduled press conference. And that's when he had his aides
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: dressed up in an alien suit and made a mockery
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: of it all. And I can assure you pissed the
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: hell off his constituents and the witnesses all across the
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: state of Arizona. They were furious. And I confronted him
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: on that 10 years after the fact because I was
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: pissed off. I was investigating that case when it happened
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: in the 90s. And I interviewed a lot of really
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: good witnesses, really good witnesses. And he said the reason
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: why he did it was because of growing hysteria, that
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: he wanted to quiet, calm down the hysteria. But did
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: he get a phone call just saying, hey, kill this story?
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: I lean in that direction, but he's never, even when
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: we're having cocktails together, he's never confessed that that happened.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: But it is awfully suspicious the way it all went down.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: It's a little weird, especially considering he actually saw it.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: That could have been a turning point in the UFO
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: phenomenon reporting era, right? Like suddenly you get this massive sighting,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: which would happen today. We would have been covered by
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: everybody's phones and whatever. But if the governor had come
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: forward and said, yeah, we need to figure out what
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: that thing is. I'm a former captain of the Air Force.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: I'm a pilot. And I saw it, and I don't
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: know what the hell that thing was.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: Is there any footage of the actual thing, the triangle
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: boomerang-looking thing?
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: There are some footage floating around, and I featured some,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: and I know what I saw. You've got an object
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: in the night sky with lights that, at the time,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: in 2009, I did some kind of enhancement. I'm sure
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: the software is a lot better nowadays. It looks like
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: a big, I can draw it.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: Like a boomerang.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but more angular. It was like... Like this. Like this.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: And my drawings are terrible.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: Like that? Look up at the screen?
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Kind of like that.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yep.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: And so that image in the far left, that's it
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: right there, right?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And here's something that kind of throws off the
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: trail here because, excuse me, the object came down of
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: the state of Arizona. It went from north to south.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: Is that legit?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: On the right there?
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: I honestly, I can't say. I'd have to really do
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: a deep dive into it. But let me tell you
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: what happened because this is brilliant. So what happened was
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: you got this massive object from around 530 at night
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: in the southern Nevada. And then it drifts down very
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: slowly over across the entire from north to south across
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: the entire state of Arizona. And right around 730, 830,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: the Barry Goldwater Mountain Range. which is the direction it
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: was heading in, the military decides to drop a bunch
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: of flares. And so people were like, oh, there it is.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: There's some, you know, and they, and a bunch of
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: people filmed the flares. So in my opinion, it was
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: a diversionary tactic that was brilliantly done because why the
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: military suddenly decided to drop flares in the shape of,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: somewhat of the shape. So I think that some of
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: the footage that you've seen out there is military flares,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: but there's, and there was an effort, I don't know
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: if you want to get into it right now, but
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: there was There was an effort by the so-called M
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: & B, which the MIB, these men in black or
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: whatever unknown government agency they come from, that took some
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: footage that I was learning about during my investigations in
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: the 90s. And now you're looking at me like I'm crazy.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: So the first time I really heard a really credible
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: report of the MIB and I decided not to report
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: on it was when I was in touch with a
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: woman who was a councilwoman, Frances Barwood, who was one
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: of the few... officials in Phoenix area that was saying, hey,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: let's investigate what these people are claiming they've seen. She's
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: not saying aliens have landed. All she's saying is, hey,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: these people have a right to know what's going on.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: Let's launch an investigation. She was lambasted over the media,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: made fun of, ridiculed. But as a result of her inquiry,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: public inquiry, and putting it out there, one of these
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: individuals reached out to her. And I know this because
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: I know her, Frances Barber, and I heard the whole story.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: And he was a He was a Vietnam vet and
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: he was on the roof of his house with a
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: tripod and a camera. And he was trying to get
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: a glimpse. He was trying to film the pale Bob
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: comment and he had walkie talkies and he was monitoring
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: the truck drivers driving up interstate 10 from Tucson to Phoenix.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: And so he's monitoring this and he hears these truckers
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: talking about a massive UFO. And he's like, shit, that's
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: heading right towards my house. It was like, I'll film it.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: So he had a camera all ready to go. And
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: the object went right over his house, according to him.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: And he filmed the whole thing. And he goes, yeah,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: I filmed the whole thing. It's pretty spectacular. And I
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: know that you're launching an investigation, Francis Barwood. Would you
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: like to see it? And she said, yeah. So they
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: made arrangements where he was going to drop it off
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: at her office. Either later that day or first thing
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: the next morning, two representatives, and it was July at
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: this point. It was very hot. Two men in dark
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: suits showed up at his house and they said, hey,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: he was apparently relieved. That's all they wanted. He said
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: they were quite menacing looking. Didn't really say a lot.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: They said, we're from Francis Barwood's office. We're here to
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: pick up that footage. So he gives him the footage,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: and he said the only question they ask him is,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: did they make any copies? And he said no. And
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: so they take the footage, off they go. Well, he
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't hear from Frances Barwood. He's like, what the hell?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: So a couple days go by, I think possibly up
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: to a week. He calls her up, and he says,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: and Frances will tell you this. She'll validate what I'm
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: telling you. He says, hey, what did you think of
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: the footage? She goes, well, what do you mean, what
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: did I think of the footage? I never got it.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: You were going to drop it off at my office,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: and you didn't show up. He goes, well, I didn't
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: have to. You had two men from your office show up.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: And she goes, I didn't send anybody around to your office.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: And I know at the time, in the late 90s,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: I'd heard a couple of stories prior to that. I thought,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: this is too out there. This is too outlandish. No
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: one's going to believe this. I have no proof of
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: this other than her testimony. Screw it. And I didn't
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: report on it. But hearing those cases over and over
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: and over, it's like, there we go once again. The
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: so-called evidence that could prove or disprove one way or
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: the other that something truly extraordinary took place in the
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: skies over Phoenix back in 1997 vanished. But there is
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: some that slip between the cracks that's out there. You
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: just have to do due diligence. And I don't have
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: the time to sift through all of it.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: But those images that we're looking at, they look too clean. Yeah.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's AI generated or whatever.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: Or what could have been in a documentary, like a recreation.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: I know what I saw features some of the footage.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: I covered that case extensively. So if anyone's interested in
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: the Phoenix Lights case, that. But I can tell you.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: How many people? saw it?
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, thousands.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: Thousands. I talked to another woman, Stacy Rhodes, and her daughter, Emily.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: And they said they were driving on Interstate 10. And
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: she goes, look, James, I'm going to tell you how
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: big this thing was. I said, how big? And she goes,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: first of all, there were people stopped on the freeway.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: Just like stopped as this thing. It was like Close Encounters.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: It was floating over the. She goes, I could have
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: held up a newspaper like this and looked to the left,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: looked to the right, looked at that. And she said,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: I couldn't block this thing out. That's how big it was.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: And it didn't make a sound. It was gunmetal black.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: It was witnessed by a lot of people. That's why
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: I say there's some some events that have happened over
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: the decades that are pretty brazen. And that's one of them.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: Hudson Valley is pretty brazen as well.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: I just wish I knew if it was true.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: Well, when you get thousands of people seeing the same thing,
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: if you see thousands of people saying the same thing,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: including the governor.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: I know. The governor. You get so invested in it
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: and you go, what happened?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: The governor. Yeah. The governor.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: Same guy who came out with a fucking guy dressed
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: up like an alien.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but I got him to come clean
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: 10 years later.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but so he's already not credible. He already bullshits.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: He does. He bullshits. He definitely bullshits.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: He definitely bullshits. You're right. So there you go. You're right.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: So when someone bullshits about that, they might bullshit about anything.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: But, well, true.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, I.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: Again, I'm just playing devil's advocate.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: No, I hear you. I hear what you're saying, and I.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: He hasn't been in the limelight in a while. It's
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: a good thing to talk about now.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: There's no smoke without fire. There is... so much evidence
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: in terms of eyewitness testimony and radar, some photographic, not
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: as much as we'd like, that something truly inexplicable is
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: taking place in our aerospace, right? For sure. Something that,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: after careful examination, something that, not because of a lack
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: of data in some instances, but that after careful analysis
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: and research, investigation, that comes out the other end and says,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: I can't explain this is going to have to be
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: one of those unknowns or, you know, falls into that
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: 15% category of cannot provide a terrestrial or conventional explanation for.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: And those are the cases that I've so desperately have
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: been going after for a long time.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: So as all this disclosure and those discussions on television
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: now and all these meetings and hearings, does it, so
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: you think we're on an accelerated path? Do you think
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: this is like, this is all good, right?
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: I'm convinced of it, yes.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: But do you think that there's a real possibility, like
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: within the next few years, that they just completely drop
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: all the bullshit and come clean about this stuff? Or
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: would it take some sort of extraordinary event where they
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: had to admit it? Something much bigger than this drone thing.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: Well, in some respects, there has been, I remember I
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: interviewed this guy, Nick Pope, at the MOD years ago,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: and I was like, This was a time when we
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: were pushing for transparency there. France was releasing previously classified
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: documents on UFOs, les OVNI, as they'd say. The MOD
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: followed suit. They were releasing previously classified documents, slowly putting
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: it out there. And at the time, it was rather exciting.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: I just did a big event at the National Press
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: Club with Leslie Kane, and it was like this whole move,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, my God, it's happening, right?
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: But it kind of petered out a little bit. And
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: I remember asking this guy that used to work at
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: the UFO desk at the MOD, Nick Pope, and I said, Nick,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: Do you anticipate any type of disclosure? This is like
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: 2009 or something, 2008, 2009. And he goes, James, no.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: He goes, it's going to be disclosure with a small D,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: not a big D. It's going to trickle out slowly.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: Condition people, get people prepared, test the waters. You know,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: one of the things that we explore in the program,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: and I'd never done that, is the politics of disclosure.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: It's a far more complex. Let's just suspend judgment for
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: a moment and assume that it's real, okay, that there
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: really is an NHI, a non-human intelligence aspect involved. to
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: the phenomenon, right? Let's just suggest that's real. Now, how
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: do you disclose that to the general public? What about
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: the impacts on organized religion? What about the impacts on
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: financial institutions? What about the fact that we'd have to
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: confess that we don't have full control over this? I mean,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: those are real considerations. And it's not just the United States, right?
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: This involves the planet. This involves all the humanity.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you about this.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying?
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I do.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: It's more complicated, more complex than you think.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, I totally get that. How does Russia handle these things?
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: How does China handle these things?
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: Well, there was a case in China that happened in 1994,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: right around the time of Rua Zimbabwe, also in 1994,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: called Mengjiaogua. And it happened in the Black Mountains. And
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: it was a landing, alleged contact, close to kind of
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: the third kind. It's funny because it happened right in
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: the same time of Africa. Similar message that was conveyed.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: I went to China. I met with an active general
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: in uniform. talked openly about the UFO phenomenon. They were
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: pretty open. I went to Russia in the late 90s.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: And that was right before Putin. It was right around
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: the time when Putin was coming in. And that was
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: a period of openness. And I went to Star City, Russia.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: I interviewed a cosmonaut, Pavel Popovich, a number of generals.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: And they were very open about it. In fact, they
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: said to me at the time, if you're here to
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: discuss whether or not the UFO phenomenon is real, the
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: door's right over there. We're here to create an international coalition,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: an international exchange of information, and to talk about the
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: implications of the phenomenon, which I thought was amazing. This
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: is like 25 years ago, right? So now I don't
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: know if things have changed since Putin's been in office,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: but that was back in the late 90s. I mean,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: there have been congressional hearings in Brazil. There's been an effort.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, shit, they had hearings back in 1978 at
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: United Nations that Lee Spiegel put on, you know. So
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: there's been an ongoing effort for this stuff to come out.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: I just think it's different this time. To me, it
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: feels like there's too much momentum behind it at this point.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: And there's so much legislation that's written. It's too much
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: that's come out. And it's too important. Look, whether you
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: believe it or you don't believe it, if you can
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: just imagine for a moment if it is true and
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: if the U.S. government does in fact have irrefutable evidence
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: that we're not alone in the universe that's so significant
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: that we all have a right to that information and
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: that we should continue to support this unprecedented push for
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: transparency with our elected officials and get to the fucking
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: bottom of it. Why not?
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 3: Everybody agrees.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everybody agrees. I think the general public,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: no one's going to disagree with you about that.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the new administration's coming in. There's Ratcliffe and Rubio.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Rubio knows a lot. I know that.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: How do you know he knows?
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: Because I've talked to people that have debriefed him and
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: have been in the room with him.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: You haven't talked to him?
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: No, I have not. No, I have not. But I
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: talked to people that were in the room when he
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: was being briefed from first-handers. I'm told that there were,
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say, right around 12 first-hand people that
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: have had behind closed doors meetings, firsthand people that are
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: concerned about their secrecy, concerned about their safety, concerned about
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: the implications of them coming forward and going public, that
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: they're not quite, they don't quite have, and this comes
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: from a very good source of information, that the witness
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: protection program and the legislation that they've created around that
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: is not quite there yet. It's getting closer. They need
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: to continue to work on that.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: You don't mean like witness protections program, like put them
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: in hiding.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: Whistleblowers. They have whistleblower protection. I'm so sorry. I meant
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: to say that. Excuse me. Yeah. Whistleblower protection. It's not
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: quite in place. One of the things I really wanted
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: to mention is that there is a gentleman, a young
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: man who's 30 and he feels like he's old. His
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: name is Jesse Michaels, and he's got this new show
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: called American Alchemy.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: New.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: It's a couple years old.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: Why does he feel like he's old?
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: Because you know when you're 30, you feel like you're old.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I did.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: When I turned 30, I was like, oh, I'm 30.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: Because just 10 years earlier, I was almost 19, right?
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: Or 11 years earlier, I was 19.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: You go from a teenager to suddenly you're 30, you
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: always think like 30. And I was talking to him
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: not too long ago, Jesse, and I said, he's like, yeah,
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: I feel a little old. I was like, dude, you
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: are just getting into your prime, baby. This is rock
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: and roll time. But I really wanted to, this is
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: a guy who's young. Julian Dory is also doing some
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: amazing work on this and podcasts. But he was young
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: and is doing a deep dive into the implications and
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: He meets with aerospace engineers. Jesse, you're a phenomenon. Keep
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: rocking and rolling. I want to tip my hat to you.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this guy or not. No,
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: I haven't. He's doing deep dives into what's happening right now.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe I have.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: He's documented it with these podcasts, and he's doing a
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: fantastic job. And I just got to tip my hat
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: to the guy because he's 10 times smarter than I'll
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: ever be. And he's young, and he's a force to
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: be reckoned with. And he's really doing, he's answering all
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: the questions that you and I are exploring, all these
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: issues that you and I are talking about.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad there's people out there pushing it. And
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 3: I'm glad there's guys like Grush that are sticking their
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: neck out and guys like you who are making documentaries
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: about it. The subject is much more open to discussion,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: like I was saying, amongst serious people.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: Where it didn't used to be before. And now I
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: think with this drone thing, I think there's so many
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: people that are going, okay, even if they're ours or
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: they're China's, what's going on? Why are there so many
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: of them? What are the answers? And why can't you
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: tell us? Is it because they're searching for a nuke?
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, maybe you should warn people and get the
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 3: fuck out of here. Is that really what's going on?
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: If it's not, what is going on? And if it's
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: not ours, what are they? And how come you can't
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: track them? How come, like, what kind of.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: Very bizarre.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: It doesn't even make sense.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: It's very, very bizarre.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. When you think of the capabilities
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: of the United States military, it doesn't make any sense.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: They can't figure out what's going on. I think what
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: Trump said is probably correct, that the government knows. They
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: know what's happening, and they don't want to tell people.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he, though? He could tell us. Why wouldn't
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: he tell us?
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think he knows yet. I don't think until
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 3: he gets into office. He gave a speech about it
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: at Mar-a-Lago.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw that. But did he say.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: Well, let's watch it. We'll watch it. We'll watch it.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: We'll pull the speech up.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm wondering if he— yeah, well, we're about to
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: find out.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, essentially he was saying that he knows that the
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: government knows what's going on. and they're not telling us.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: That means they're not telling him.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: So they're not telling him.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think– until you get into office, you're
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: not the president, right? So he's the president-elect. I don't
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: know what kind of– Clearances that he has. Yeah, I
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: don't understand how that works.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: I'd be very curious to know what he knows.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 3: Right. Especially with this. Like, who do you even ask?
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: Who is the person that can lay out the information? Like,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: which department? Which agency?
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. It seems like they're so compartmentalized.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Good to see you.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: Good to see you.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: The government knows what is happening.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: Look, Our military knows where they took off from. If
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: it's a garage, they can go right into that garage.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: They know where it came from and where it went.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: And for some reason, they don't want to comment. And
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: I think they'd be better off saying what it is
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: our military knows and our President knows. And for some reason,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: they want to keep people in suspense. I can't imagine
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: it's the enemy, because if it was the enemy, they'd
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: blast it out. Even if they were late, they'd blast it.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: Something strange is going on. For some reason, they don't
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: want to tell the people. And they should because the
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: people are really, I mean, they happen to be over Bedminster.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: They're very close to Bedminster. I think maybe I won't
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: spend the weekend in Bedminster.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: I've decided to cancel my trip. Yeah.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: I think I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow. I bet someone told him, Mr. President, it's
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: pretty important that you don't go to the golf course.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: So what does that mean?
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta, if you don't mind, um, there,
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: I was contacted. I went to this.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: Are you going to switch subjects?
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: Well, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is all
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: about exactly what we're talking about. I just, this is
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: something that, that I really need to put out there
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: because it's very important. Okay. And it's an unprecedented effort
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: spearheaded by this woman, Andrea, who runs a number of
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: communities on Reddit. And she said that they're banding together
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: for the first time ever to It's the biggest grassroots
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: campaign for government transparency. This is happening on Friday the
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: 20th of December at 3 p.m. Eastern Time. And this
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: has the potential to reach millions and millions of people.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: It's the most unprecedented event on Reddit in history. And
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: I'll post all of the necessary information on X because
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: this is a very grassroots effort.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: And what are they doing?
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: At James C. Fox on X, formerly known as Twitter.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: The Reddit community is banding together for a huge grassroots
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: campaign for government transparency. So basically all the various platforms
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: on Reddit, like Paranormal, UFO, they don't usually get along
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: too well, but they're all combining their resources and they're
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: getting together for the first time ever. And to push
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: for government transparency, there's a couple of government insiders that
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: appear in my film that will be appearing on this
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: to answer questions and what steps need to be happening,
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: what's going on today. And this is happening on the
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: 20th December 3 p.m. And I'll be posting more information
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: the very specific details on X at James C Fox
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to get that out there before because.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: Well the more this stuff that happens the better the
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: more people demand it the better the more politicians hear
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: from the people and want to I Mean especially politicians
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: that are up for reelection and they want to show
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: that they're doing what the people want them to do
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah I'd like to know more, but obviously I'm very
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: happy that we're hearing much more about the subject in
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: a serious way.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: You know, whatever the hell's going on.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I, I, I, I really encourage you to
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: watch the program.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 3: I will. 100%.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: I went bent over backwards to put together and explain
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: everything in layman terms. What's happened from 2017 to today,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: because it's, it's unprecedented. We're living in an unprecedented moment
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: in history. There's an unprecedented push for government transparency and,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: And I want to continue supporting our elected officials' bipartisan
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: effort to get to the bottom of this. And I
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: especially want to throw a shout out to Representative Burchett
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: because you're killing it, buddy. Thank you.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: Hey, Jamie, why don't you use ChatGPT and ask ChatGPT
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: what's going on with the drones in New Jersey?
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: I'd be very curious to hear about that. Yeah. It's
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: a damn good idea.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: And maybe then ask Rock. But ask ChatGPT what is
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: really happening with the drones in New Jersey? Let's just
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: see what ChatGPT says.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: Tell me how that works.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know. We're going to find out.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: It's AI, right?
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: What is really happening with the drones in New Jersey?
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: Let's see. So what does ChatGPT say? ChatGPT is going
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: to search the web.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is amazing.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 3: Numerous drone sites have been reported across New Jersey and
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: other East Coast states. It's incredible how fast this is.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: Look how fast. Look at this. This is incredible. They
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 3: found no evidence suggesting threat to national security or public
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: safety despite these assurances. Some local officials and residents remain concerned.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: For instance, Belleville Mayor Michael Melham speculated the increased drone
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 3: activity might be related to a search for missing radioactive
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: material from the medical facility in New Jersey. Additionally, the
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: public figures like Bethany Frankel have shared unverified theories about
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: the drone's purposes, further fueling speculation the situation is evolving
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: and authorities continue to monitor and investigate new reports. Residents
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 3: are advised to report any suspicious drone activity to local
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 3: law enforcement and avoid Taking matters into their own hands,
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: like shooting them down. People are shooting them down. They're
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: shooting them down. They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 3: Shooting down drones as it could pose safety risks and
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: violate laws. Now ask ChatGPT. Let me ask Rocker now. Oh,
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: let's just keep going with ChatGPT for a little bit
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: because you're asking it again. Ask ChatGPT, if I live
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 3: in New Jersey, should I get out of town?
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: Are you serious?
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. If I live in New Jersey, should I
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: get out of town? Should I evacuate? Yeah, should I evacuate?
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: Let's say evacuate because get out of town is like
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: a colonialism. Should I evacuate? Okay.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: This is amazing.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: At this time, there's no official recommendation for residents in
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: New Jersey. Uh-huh. Follow official updates. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: Okay. As a precautionary measure.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: Are you sure?
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you always.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: Have to ask. No federal evacuation orders. Okay, it knows
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 3: that there's no federal evacuation orders. If you were going
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: to give me advice, would you tell me to leave
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: the East Coast? Advice is fucked up. Based on the
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: current information provided by trusted authorities, there's no evidence of
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: an imminent threat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Could you imagine...
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: Put this in. Could you imagine a scenario where these
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: drones are actually looking for a nuclear bomb? And if so,
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: would you advise me... As a preemptive measure to evacuate.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: I type so much worse when people are watching.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: I'm so impressed at how well he's typing.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: Actually, I really am. While it's possible to imagine scenarios
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: involving drones searching for dangerous materials, such as a nuclear bomb,
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: there's no verified information suggesting such an extreme situation.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: So I, how about this? I think, type this in.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: If I put it in grok and fun mode, we
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: might get it. But hold on a second, but try this.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: Is there a non-human intelligence behind?
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: Listen, I think the drones are looking for a nuclear
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: bomb and I am going to leave New Jersey. Where
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: should I go?
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: To Montana.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: How far away should I go? Oh, that's okay. Leaving
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: New Jersey is a precautionary measure. Here are some suggestions
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: for a place to relocate temporarily.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: You're doing good.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: Head west. Okay, so now we're getting better. So now
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: it's saying go further away. Wow. Colorado, consider, scroll back
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: up so I can read that where it said Colorado.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: Consider Durango, Grand Junction, or areas outside of Denver. These
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: are safe and equipped with modern infrastructure. They're telling you
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: to move. This is telling you to get away from
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 3: big cities.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: Durango.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: Tennessee, the Smoky Mountain region, and Gatlinburg or Knoxville provides
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: natural beauty, lower cost of living, and a sense of isolation.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: They're telling you how to rebuild civilization. Okay, if a
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: nuke goes off.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: Where to go?
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: If a nuke goes off on the East Coast... Type
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: this in, Jamie. If a nuke goes off on the
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: East Coast... Where should I be to be safe?
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: If you're concerned about potential nuclear incident, here's a list
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 3: of safest options based on geographic, environmental, and strategic factors. Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho,
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: sparsely populated, vast distances from major cities and military targets.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: Towns like Bozeman, Jackson Hole, Sandpoint are beautiful remote and
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: away from the fallout paths. Jesus Christ.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: I'm curious, what would happen if you asked chat GBT,
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: GPT.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: GPT, if what percentage of UAP represent a non-human intelligence?
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good one. What percentage of UAP represent
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: a non-human intelligence?
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: Really curious. I was just pulling it from the internet.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: I know, but let's see what it says.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: Could represent non-human intelligence that remains unknown and speculative. Current
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: investigations by UAP organizations like the U.S. government emphasize the following.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 3: Most UAPs have conventional explanations. Oh, this is Project Blue
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: Book bullshit.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: 5% or 10% of UAP cases remain unidentified even after
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: thorough analysis. These cases.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: I was like 15 to 20, but yeah. 5 to 10%.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: Evidence inconsistent with known human technology. No conclusive evidence for
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: non-human intelligence while some UAP cases are puzzling. The government
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: has not officially... Okay. Commander... Type this in. Commander David Fravor...
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: Encountered a tick-tock... A tick-tack... Yeah. Tick-tack-shaped craft in 2005...
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: It was 2004.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: 2003.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: 2003. Okay, 2003. That defied our understanding of known physics. Period.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: What do you think he saw?
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: 2004, I'm sorry. A TikTok-shaped craft remains one of the
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: most Compelling and well-documented UAP cases in modern history. Key
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: details of the encounter. Craft describes smooth, white oblong resembling
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 3: a tic-tac. No visible propulsion, wings, or exhaust. Extraordinary flight characteristics.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: Accelerated instantly from a hovering position. Descended from 80,000 feet
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: to near sea level in seconds. Fravor reported the object
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: mimicked his movements during their engagement and then vanished at
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: extreme speed. It's possible the craft was an ultra-secret military project.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: Either U.S.-based experimental aircraft, aerospace technology, or developed by another nation. However,
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 3: the extreme flight performance raises doubts. Thus, advanced technology would
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: suggest a significant leap beyond publicly known capabilities, which is
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 3: inconsistent with current engineering limits. Sensor anomaly or perception issues. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: I asked the heads of Arrow if they could explain
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: that one, and they said no.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 4: If.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 3: No, type this in.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: This is a really good case.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 3: If all accounts... of the capabilities of the Tic Tac
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 3: Craft are true, what are the possibilities that it came
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: from another planet?
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: If the accounts of the Tic Tac's craft's capabilities are accurate,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic speeds, without heat signatures, and defiance of inertia,
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: then the possibilities of origin being extraterrestrial or from another
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: planet become a viable hypothesis.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: Here's why. The physics of the Tic Tac craft reported behavior...
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: The craft suggests technology that operates beyond our current understanding
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 3: of physics and propulsion systems. No visible propulsion. It implies
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: propulsion system unrelated to conventional jets or rockets. Instantaneous acceleration
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 3: defies inertia in Newtonian physics. Achieving this would require manipulating
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 3: gravity or space-time itself. Silent operation. No sonic booms despite
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 3: hypersonic speeds points to a technology that likely eliminates air resistance,
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: such as surrounding itself in an electromagnetic field or bubble.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 3: This level of technological advancement far surpasses anything developed on Earth.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: If true, such capabilities would suggest a highly advanced civilization
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: perhaps thousands or millions of years ahead of us scientifically.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: If true, where do you think it came from?
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: And this was 20 years ago.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: I know, but if true, where do you think it
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: came from? How about this? It's still typing. Jesus Christ.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: Final thoughts. Look at this. Writing a whole turn paper
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: on this.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 3: It's amazing how fast it does it, too. It's amazing
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: how fast it does it.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: If the Tic Tac UAP is real and the accounts
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 3: are accurate, then its origin may very well be extraterrestrial
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: or involve unknown physics and technology that we haven't begun
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 3: to comprehend. The extraordinary nature of the case suggests an
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: equally extraordinary explanation. What do you think? Why are you
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 3: asking me, bitch? You're chat GPT. What do you think?
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 3: Does extraterrestrial visitation seem plausible? Or is there another explanation
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: that resonates more with you? So type this. I believe
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: it seems plausible that they are extraterrestrial in nature.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: Good luck, I was going to say.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: If true, comma, if true. Where do you think they
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 3: came from? Let's see. Identifying where they might come from
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 3: involves exploring nearby stellar systems, known exoplanets, and plausible scientific
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 3: ideas about interstellar travel. Here are the most likely possibilities.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 3: Nearby star systems with habitable zones. Alpha Centauri system, 4.37
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: light years away, the closest star system to Earth, Proxima Centauri.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: potentially habitable planet, exoplanet, orbiting Proxima Centauri within the habitable zone.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 3: If life developed there, it might be technologically advanced enough
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: for interstellar exploration. Bernard, so it's giving me a list
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 3: of all the different possible star systems. This one's only
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 3: 39 light years away.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: What was the closest one? Alpha Centauri, was that? Was
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: that four light years or something? I don't know.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 3: Scroll back up.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: Scroll back up a little bit.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: 3.9 million. 3.3. 4.3.
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 1: Alpha Centauri, 4.3 light years away.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 3: Pretty close.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: Wow. But here's the crazy part.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: Pretty close.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: Remember the twin paradox theory? They say that if you
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: get like two twins, right, as kids, say one's 10,
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: they're both 10. Right. And you put one in a
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: spaceship that travels the speed of light for one year,
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: he would come back with an atomic clock on board
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: that spacecraft a year older. He'd be 11. And his
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: brother would be an old man.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: I can't wrap my mind around that.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: But they say it's pretty much fact.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 3: But that's speed, right? I think what we're talking about
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 3: is different than speed. I think it's instantaneous. Instantaneous relocation.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 3: So I think instead of like.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: Manipulate the space-time between the two points?
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: Right. So I think the idea is that instead of
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 3: a rocket that goes, you know, 5 million miles an
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: hour and just shoots off of Earth and keeps going until,
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 3: you know, 5 million years from now, it runs into
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 3: this planet. I think it's different than that. I think
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 3: what If I had to guess where something can manipulate
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 3: gravity and space, what it would do is instantaneously appear
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 3: in these new places.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: And you've talked to a lot of physicists about this
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff, huh? I have.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 3: And the way they explain it is baffling. And Bob
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 3: Lazar's version of it is baffling because Bob Lazar's version
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 3: of it that he told in 1989 kind of makes
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 3: sense because When you talk to people that are trying
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 3: to develop some sort of a gravity or a warp drive.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 3: And the way Bob Lazar explained it is that this element,
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 3: when bombarded with radiation, creates this, I'm really butchering it
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 3: for sure, creates some sort of a gravity field that
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 3: allows it, the way he described it, like if you
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 3: took a mattress, a very soft mattress, and you put
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 3: a very heavy bowling ball in the middle of the mattress,
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 3: it pushes the mattress down to that area. And that this, like,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 3: folds time.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: So you go from here to here, but when you
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: stretch it down, suddenly those two points connect.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 3: It folds it. Yeah.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 3: And so wherever it is, it's here. So it's not
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: like it's going a million light years.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: So it's malleable.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 3: A million light years an hour. Yeah.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: Space is malleable.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: It's just.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 3: Well, it makes sense. If you think about how technology scales,
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 3: and if we do... I mean, Ryan brought up this
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: yesterday as well, that there was research and there was...
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 3: papers written about the idea of having some sort of
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 3: a gravity drive or having some sort of a gravity
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: propulsion system, something that doesn't rely on conventional rockets pushing.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: Gases out the back. Yeah, we're not doing it jet-aid fuel,
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: that's for sure.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And he said that this was something that was
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 3: discussed a long time ago, but then it just stopped.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 3: And we brought it up quite a while ago. There
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 3: was an episode that we brought up, a paper that
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 3: was written in the 1960s about gravity drives.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 1: Was that by Hal Puthoff?
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 3: I do not know.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: Because he's like a propulsion... expert in terms of the
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: propulsion behind, the physics behind UFOs. And I tried to
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 1: get him to explain it to me in sort of
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: conventional layman terms and of course my tiny little brain.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: But I felt like I almost grasped it for a moment,
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 1: but the amount of power that it would take to
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: create that gravitational field around the object. And he said
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: that's why you see them doing these maneuvers that look
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: like it defy physics, right? And then everything inside the
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: craft would just splatter, that you're immune from that on
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: the inside, according.
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: Which also would make sense.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not a physicist. What am I talking about?
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: Right, but that would also make sense if you had
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 3: something like that, that you could go in the ocean
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 3: as well, right?
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 3: Because whatever's around you wouldn't matter because you're not affected
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 3: by it.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: Right. You're somehow creating a field around you that's immune
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: to whatever.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 3: That would be the only thing that would make sense,
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 3: how it could move so fast underwater.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: Atmosphere, space, water.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 3: And how it would be transmedium.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 3: It can go from space into the water. It's unaffected
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 3: by gravity. It's unaffected by all the things around it.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: It creates its own gravity field and allows it to
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 3: just pass through things.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: I remember... Kirk McConnell, who sent an armed service committee
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: who investigated UFOs from 2017, I talked about him earlier,
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: but he said that they were picking up, Aegis radar
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: systems were picking these objects up from basically from space,
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: and they were shooting down from space all the way down.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: They'd loiter for as long as they wanted to, go
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: in the water, come back out again, shoot back up
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: into space, and they would just do it like, you know,
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 1: all day long. And there was nothing.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 3: Well, we can't see that, right? And if someone does have,
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, if there's someone in the military that does
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 3: have some like super advanced satellite reconnaissance imagery of these things,
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 3: I could see why they would hold that back. I
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 3: could see why they would think that people aren't ready
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 3: for that. I could see it.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: Do you think Elon knows?
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 3: He's real cagey about it.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: He is cagey about it. And he's got deals with
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: the DOD and he's.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 3: Got satellites and everything. That's probably why. I'd be cagey
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: about it too.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: He knows more than what he's saying.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 3: This is what he said. If aliens are real, they're
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: very subtle. That's what he was saying. I was like,
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they're subtle, man. Phoenix Lights wasn't
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 3: that subtle. That's aliens.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: I heard from some people around him that because of
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: his contracts with DOD that he kind of keeps quiet
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 1: about it because... I'm sure. Everybody talks about... I mean,
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 1: even Ratcliffe talked about the satellite imagery of UAP. I mean,
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: if they're picking it up, why wouldn't his systems pick
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: it up?
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 3: He hasn't said a peep about the drone thing.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: And you haven't asked him about it? Nope.
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 3: If he wants to tell me, he'll tell me. I'm
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: not going to be that guy. I'm not going to
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 3: be annoying. But... publicly, like on X. Has he said
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: anything about the drones?
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 4: He said something a couple weeks ago, I believe.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 3: I think it was a couple weeks ago. I'll check
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 4: But there's a big drone storm or a big drone
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 4: fight coming, and people are taking that as like he
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 4: knew this was happening.
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 1: A big drone fight coming?
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, he's been real public about the idea
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 3: that building manned fighter jets is, at this point, kind
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 3: of foolish. And I think he's correct.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: So unpiloted only.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It takes the fun out of it. Well, it
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 3: takes the biological mistakes out of it is what it does.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 3: It takes the human mind out. The human mind is
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 3: very fallible. We already know that AI systems, like Mike
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 3: Baker explained to us, that AI systems with fighter jets
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 3: beat actual fighter jet pilots 100% of the time. Really? Yes.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: When they have these simulated dogfights, when they take AI
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 3: fighter jets that we have right now, They beat our
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 3: fighter jet pilots, the best of the best, 100% of
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 3: the time. So they don't have any biological limitations in
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 3: terms of what they can deal with.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: Whether they can sustain, right. G-forces. Yes, yeah.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: So you have that, right? So all you have to
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: do is make the equipment and the materials robust enough
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: so they can take insane speeds and not blow apart.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: But it certainly would be way easier to do that
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 3: than it would be to get a human being to
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 3: be safe in it.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 1: So much less badass, though.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 3: So what is he saying? So he clicked on it.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 3: Future wars are all about drones and hypersonic jets. So
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 3: this is us talking about that. This is us talking
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 3: about fighter jet pilots by humans will be destroyed very quickly.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 3: So he talked about it. So he put a clip
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 3: up of us talking about it on the podcast. This
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: was in November, November 28th. And so neither side is
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 3: air superiority and tanks are easily destroyed by missiles. So
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 3: that leaves infantry and artillery, basically World War I. Drones
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 3: are not yet available in sufficient numbers to matter, much
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 3: like aircraft in World War I. A defense in depth
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 3: trench war means, and then some modern example.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: That was like two years ago. So did you get
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: the impression when you spoke to Elon about UFOs that
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: he knew more than he was telling you? You said
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: he's cagey?
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't even entertain the idea of UFOs.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: So if you bring up the Fravor incident, he'll just say, no,
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 1: it didn't happen?
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 3: He doesn't seem interested. I don't know. I mean, I
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 3: would imagine what you're saying is true, that it's not
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 3: wise for him to discuss it. That's what I would imagine.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 3: If he wants to tell me, he'll tell me. And
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 3: if he wants me to tell no one, I'll tell
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 3: no one.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 3: If he wants to tell me and say don't tell anybody,
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 3: I won't tell anybody. But I'm not going to ask him.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: I think his position as, you know, being the guy
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 3: at SpaceX, why would you fuck around with that?
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: He's got too much at stake.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he has way too much at stake. Also, like,
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 3: if anybody's going to find out, he's going to find out.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 3: If there's something going on, if there's something legitimately going on.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 3: The guy who can catch rockets with a crane, that's
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 3: the guy. He's going to know.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: I thought the first time I saw that, it was
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: like AI generated.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 3: It seems fake.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 1: I was watching the thing come down, and I just
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: thought that's insane.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 3: The ones that land before that, those are insane. And
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 3: now you can catch them. They don't even have to land.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 3: It's nuts. What he's done is just accelerate what we
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 3: are capable of doing far beyond what NASA was able
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 3: to do just a few years ago.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: I used to have a neighbor that worked for Elon Musk,
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 1: and he drove a Tesla way earlier. way early on
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: when their Teslas weren't that many out there. And I
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: was like, well, you got a Tesla. He's like, yeah,
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 1: I actually work for Elon Musk. And I saw him
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: a couple of years later and I was like, Hey,
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: you're not driving Tesla anymore. And he goes, no, he goes, I, I,
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 1: I don't work for Elon anymore. I was like, oh,
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that. What happened? And he goes,
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: he goes, well, he's, he works so hard and his
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 1: expectations are so high. He goes, I was at the
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 1: hospital with my wife giving, she was giving birth to
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 1: our first child. And Elon's like, I need you in
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: the office.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, Jesus Christ.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 1: He said, he goes, I could, you know, the guy's
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: got an incredible work ethic, but it was too much.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: He goes, I'm at the hospital. I don't care where
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: you're at. Get dressed to work. It's like pretty brutal.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 1: That's brutal. Wasn't he sleeping in the, he was sleeping
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 1: in the.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, he was sleeping, working 16 hours a day
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 3: and sleeping on the floor. Wow.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's commitment.
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 3: Well, he demands that of other people too. And, you know,
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: maybe you want that. Maybe you don't. And if you don't,
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 3: you can't work there. It's just that simple. If you
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 3: want that, hop on in. If you're a single guy
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 3: and you don't have a wife and you don't have children.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 3: But if you do, oh boy, that's not a life
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 3: for me. I wouldn't want that job.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 1: I think the closest thing to a spaceship on wheels
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: is a Tesla.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, they're amazing.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 1: Pretty remarkable.
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 3: I've had three of them. This is my third.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 1: The acceleration is just... It's incredible. It's like a gut punch.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And they're getting better. The autonomous driving is incredible now.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: I remember when somebody said to me, they were like,
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 1: You know, step on it. You know, show me the acceleration.
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 1: And I stepped on it, a Model 3 Performance. It
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: seems fake. I got nauseous.
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 1: I wasn't quite ready. I turned myself a little sideways
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 1: or something. I felt nauseous. I was like, wow, I
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 1: ride motorcycles. I would do all this. I was like, yeah.
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 1: But I was like, now I prepare myself for that.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 1: That's really fast. That's super bike fast.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 3: It's crazy fast. And it can actually... The beautiful thing
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 3: is you can merge on the highway, and you don't
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 3: seem like a douchebag, because you're not like, it's not
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 3: really loud.
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 1: It's super quiet. It's quiet. Stealthy. Yeah.
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 3: It's all of a sudden going 100 miles an hour.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 3: What happened?
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember I got a ticket years ago on
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: a motorcycle, and the guy that bought the bike had
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: a loud exhaust pipe, which I ended up getting rid of.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't like the loud exhaust pipe. It's too loud.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: And I got pulled over, and the cop never even
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: saw me. He just heard me, and he wrote me
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 1: up exactly how fast I was going. He's like, you're
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: doing 90 to 35. I'm like, I was?
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: He was like, oh, yeah, I can hear you. I
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: was like... I went up to the gears and I
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: put it quiet. So, yeah, that's... Quiet is nice. Quiet
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: has its benefits.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't in a motorcycle, though. You want to
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 3: be loud so people don't hit you.
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 1: That's true. I drive like the invisible man when I'm
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: on a motorcycle. You have to. Yeah. I've had people
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 1: look me right in the eyes and they pulled right
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 1: out in front of me.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 3: People want to.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: They don't care. T-boned, side-swiped.
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 3: And also, people are like... How many people are medicated?
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think they see you as a threat. I
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: think they see you as like... You're almost like a
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 1: gnat or something. I've learned... And I tell people that
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 1: ride motorcycles, I've been riding bikes for 50 years. As
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: soon as you get on that bike, you become the
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: invisible man, right?
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 3: Right. Pretend no one can see you.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 1: Pretend that no one can see you. You'll live a
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 1: lot longer. You can make eye contact with somebody. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean they see you.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I've had people pull out in front of me. Like
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: I said, I've been T-boned and all kinds of crazy
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: accidents over the years.
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  Speaker 3: I wish they weren't so dangerous because I would love
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 3: to drive one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they're amazing.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: You just have to be, like I said, you just,
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, until you're not. I had three friends. I was
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 3: getting my motorcycle license.
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 1: How long ago?
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 3: It was a while ago.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: Ten years?
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 3: So it was a couple of us that worked on
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 3: Fear Factor, a couple of the guys that worked on set.
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 3: We all decided to go and take lessons together. And
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 3: shout out to Peter Hershko. And he wound up getting
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 3: his motorcycle. He kept driving it. But one of the
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 3: guys we worked with, he crashed his bike and fucked
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 3: up his shoulder. And then one of the guys who
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 3: was fighting for the UFC, Frank Mir, he got hit
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 3: by a car. He got T-boned. and ran into his femur,
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 3: snapped his femur, and he almost lost his leg. His
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 3: leg was, and it fucked up his career for years.
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 3: So there was that, and then I saw a guy
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 3: on the highway that was covered in a blanket.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was alive. You can see, but his leg
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 3: was so fucked up that they covered it in a
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 3: blanket so that passerbys wouldn't rubberneck it. There's three of those.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 3: And then another friend of mine saw someone get hit,
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 3: saw someone get rear-ended, someone not paying attention in their car,
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 3: rear-ended a bike and had the guy flying through the
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 3: air at a red light. So that was enough for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I became a dad and I had
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: two motorcycles right before I became a dad. and I
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: sold them. And then after 10 years, I was like,
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: maybe I could get just, like, a dirt bike? Because
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy riding. There's nothing like it, being on
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: a motorcycle.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine if you get a dirt bike and then a
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 3: mountain lion takes you out.
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  Speaker 1: God damn it. I have a dirt bike with a motor.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but even with a motor. I don't know if
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 3: a mountain lion would be scared of a motor.
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be able to outrun it. I think most
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 3: Time they get bicyclers.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 3: Most of the time they kill bicyclers.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 1: It's nuts.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask your honest opinion. I know we're
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: wrapping up here.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: If you had to say whether you believed or you
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 1: didn't believe. Look, you can't make any definitive statements.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 3: I get that.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: But you're a very influential individual. who's done more for
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 1: the push for disclosure. I hate to use the word disclosure.
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: It's got a bit of a buzz, a bit of
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: a connection to it. A push for government transparency on
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: this topic, right? If you had to say something truly
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 1: inexplicable that most likely would lead to NHI or non-human
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: intelligence or not conventional, what would you pick? Ultimately, that
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: you think there is possibly a non-human intelligence behind this
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 1: or that there is not.
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  Speaker 3: I wish I could be definitive like that.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 1: I know you can't be definitive.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 3: I don't. I try to stay as open-minded on this
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 3: as possible, which means I fluctuate back and forth from
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 3: fully believing to fully believing it's a military experiment and
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 3: that it's a bunch of our stuff. But then there's
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 3: stories like the things, like the Tic Tac, where you go, okay, 2004? How?
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 3: How could they do that in 2004? Is there a
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 3: propulsion system available in 2004 that's that far advanced? And
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 3: if so, how come there's so little evidence of it
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 3: in a practical use? How come that technology, you would
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 3: think that technology would take so much money to develop.
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 3: that you would do something with it in 20 years.
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't just have it and just be flying it
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 3: around like a drone every now and again. It would
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 3: seem like there would be some sort of a practical
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 3: application for something like that. And it seemed like the
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 3: Manhattan Project and like the stealth bomber, eventually you find
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 3: out that it's a real thing, right? So 20 years
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 3: is a long time to not find out that something's real.
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 1: Well, how about if we take it up to a
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 1: lot longer than that? What about the... 1952, two consecutive
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 1: weekends in July over the White House and the Capitol.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 1: And that was... We had a press conference about that. Sure.
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 1: A guy in general that basically admit that they're real.
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 3: Kenneth Arnold, you know, those stories.
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 1: That was phenomenal, yeah.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 3: And then you got to go to the Bhagavad Gita,
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 3: you know, like there's stories of things.
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 1: The historical stuff's incredible, isn't it?
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 3: Like think of the guy that showed up with the
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 3: blue skin. Is that an angel? Is that a devil?
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 3: Like if you were living 4,000 years ago, you're one
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 3: of the people that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 1: He'd be a god.
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 3: What is that? What is that visitation that you've experienced?
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 1: With a craft, it would be.
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 1: Connected with the God, right?
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 3: Right. And also the story, when you tell the story,
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 3: like what is this? And then someone illustrates it. What
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 3: does it even, how does it even relay in words,
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 3: especially you're using the words of 4,000 years ago? What
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 3: are you describing? And if they really have always been
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 3: here and they've always been visiting us, that's probably how
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 3: you would describe it. You would describe it like Ezekiel
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 3: did in the Bible.
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, I was in Africa investigating the
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 1: alleged landing and close in kind of the third kind
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 1: Rua Zimbabwe Aerial School in 1994. I wasn't there in 94.
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 1: I was there much later. And the teacher, Judy Bates,
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: who's now the head principal, and she was sharing with
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 1: me these drawings the children did of the alleged creatures.
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 1: And they were amazing, these drawings. Big eyes and big heads,
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 1: almond-shaped eyes, blah, blah, blah. And I'm looking at these drawings,
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 1: one after the other, from all these schoolchildren. It was phenomenal.
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 1: And she gave, no, I took photographs of them. And
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 1: then A month later, I went to Australia and I
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 1: was investigating an alleged landing that happened at Westall Primary
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 1: School in 1966. And, uh, that was, that was incredible.
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 1: I was there investigating and I was showing some of
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 1: the drawings of the aliens that I, the alleged aliens
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 1: that I just had investigated in Africa. And, uh, some
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 1: of the people were like, oh, wow, these drawings are amazing.
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 1: They look like the Wanjina cave art. I was like,
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 1: the what? The Wanjina cave art, the aboriginals drew these things.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 1: And so they pulled it up, Wanjina. And the, The parallel,
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 1: they're thousands of years old, right? These cave paintings in Australia.
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 1: The parallels, the consistencies, the comparison of the two is like.
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at those real quick.
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Look up one genus. Let's look at that before we leave.
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 1: Cave painting, UFO or alien.
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 3: There's most likely something there. I just don't know. And
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 3: if it's a thing. So let's say if it's a
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 3: real thing. Is it from another planet, or is it
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 3: more complicated than that?
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's more complicated than that.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 3: Well, that's Jacques Vallée' s.
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 1: See that?
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 3: Very bizarre. Right? I mean, look at that one right
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 3: there with the dark eyes.
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 1: Super, super bizarre.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 3: Look at the three of them. The one in the center, Jamie? Yeah,
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 3: that one. Look how weird that is, man. That's so
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 3: fucking weird.
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 1: Look at the one with the dark black eyes right
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 1: up there.
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 3: Look how pale they are, too.
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's very weird.
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 1: And then there's that one with the big dark eyes
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 1: right down. Just go straight down. Up, down.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: Up to the right. Right there. Look at that.
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 3: Very weird. Very weird.
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 3: And it's also very weird how this is 4,000 years old,
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 3: and then Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the 1970s.
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 1: 4,000 years old, and I'm telling you, I could show
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 1: you the drawings. One of the witnesses... Very weird. Yeah,
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 1: it's just phenomenal.
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 3: Listen, man, thank you for everything. Thanks for what you do.
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on.
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 3: My pleasure. I mean, you're... Fucking dogged determination to get
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 3: this stuff out there. It's very important.
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 1: You promise you'll watch the program?
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 3: I will 100% watch it.
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 1: Comment on it.
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 3: I will. I will. Thank you, sir.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 1: Awesome, brother. I appreciate it.
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you, James. Thank you very much.
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much, Joe.
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 3: Thank you. It's on Amazon, the program. And then Moment
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 3: of Contact is probably available everywhere.
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 1: And The Phenomenon. Yeah. I know what I saw out
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 1: of the blue. Okay. 50 years of denial. Oh, my God,
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 1: it goes back.
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been deep in this rabbit hole for a
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 3: long time, sir. Thanks, James.
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you very much.
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 3: All right. Bye, everybody.