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Episode 18: Franco Saddles · Random Ass Dudes Podcast

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Righty, here we are with Melissa, With Franco saddles.
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Yep, Franco saddles Franco. Saddles.
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Well, thanks for coming out here.
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Glad to be here. So we met at the NFR week.
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Yep, at the Horseshoe convention, the Roper
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Convention. Yeah, random because I shouldn't
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have been there really. Well, the virus shut down our
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all in barrel race that we were supposed to be on the floor.
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Oh. Yeah.
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So we didn't get to go there, but we ended up just at least
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getting our name out there in the marketplace.
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And yeah, and then there you were.
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Yeah, yeah, I think you guys were like the first booth that
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we visited. Yeah, they kind of they, they
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got us in there in an extra room, so they had to divert
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traffic. And yeah, we tripped up a whole
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bunch of people with our saddle stands.
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Really. Yeah.
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Oh yeah. Well, that's how you get to your
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attention, huh? Yeah, you have to walk around
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us. Yeah, that's right.
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That's awesome. Well, it didn't help either that
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like, they have big signs. Oh my gosh.
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Excuse me? They had big signs saying like
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you could win a saddle. And I'm like.
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I'm in. Sign me up.
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And then, yeah, so I was like, then we stood and we chit
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chatted. Gosh, forever.
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It felt like it was. It was great.
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It was. Really, really nice.
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I got to meet a ton of people. They didn't get to do what we
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normally do, which is like fitting horses and letting
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people try them and ride them and make a run in them and stuff
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like that. But yeah, we got to meet a lot
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of people and a lot of contacts, and this being one of them.
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And I mean well. That's kind of what you want to
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do at those events, right? It's like just get your name out
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there. And especially since this was
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our first, like our launch, 'cause I know I got down here in
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November, vesicular stomatitis and then EHV and then the floods
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and I didn't get to go anywhere. So our first actual launch was
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at the NFR. So it was a little bit
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intimidating. Wow, yeah.
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Dude, that's awesome. It's like, I know you guys
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haven't a clue who we are, but here we are.
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I'm going to. I'm going to trip you up on the
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way. By heck yeah.
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'Cause how long has Franco been around?
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The tree itself has been worked on for about 10 or 11 years.
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I was over in New Zealand teaching a clinic and I got to
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ride. This lady asked if I could ride
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in a saddle. And I'm like, well, I don't got
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my own, so sure, I'll get in it. And I got in it and I was like,
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what is this? And she's like, it's mine.
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So she was a saddle fitter by trade.
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She worked for Martin. She works for masters, she works
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for all kinds of saddle companies, just getting
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frustrated on, you know, her background of saddle fitting and
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then decided to try and make her own tree.
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And then she tried it and tested it and tried it and tested it
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and working on the patent and all of that stuff.
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And then all of a sudden she's like, could it was, what do you
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call it? Timing?
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Just timing because I was over there and she was like, that's
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my Ave. to North America. So she's from Brazil, lives in
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New Zealand. I was like, could you see if
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there's any interest? I said, yeah, I I can do that.
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I said, but I'm going to tell you right now, our weather
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conditions are going to be tough for you because Brazil and New
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Zealand don't have that cold winter.
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And we've had a lot of saddles and come up to Canada and, and
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they warp in the cold and that kind of thing.
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I said, I'm not going to be nice to it and I'm just going to
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leave it in the horse trailer. It's going to leave it 40 below
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or 40 above. I don't care.
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And she's like, Yep. And it survived and and I and
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teaching clinics and watching movement because my background
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is farrier. I was a figure skating coach as
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a massage therapist. I was all this other stuff.
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So to watch the movement of stuff and I compete in barrel
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racing. So it's like, why did that girl
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beat me? That's because her horse moves
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better than mine, right? So or horse does one thing
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different. So the the keen movement of it
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all. And then doing riding, teaching
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riding lessons and stuff like that, I got her like, I got
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riders that kind of lean forward and, and pitch their shoulders
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forward and I'm always telling them, you know, tits out, tits
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out, right? And pull your shoulders back, be
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proud of what you got. And I, I put them in the saddle
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and all of a sudden they're sitting up straight and they're
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riding good. And I'm like, wow, there's
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something to this. So yeah, went through the
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rigmarole of, you know, kind of introducing it to North America
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and Canada. We did really good there.
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And it's like, OK, I think we might have our shit together and
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let's see what the big pond plays like.
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So, so when you when you say she's been working on a tree,
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that's like the base of the saddle, correct?
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And is that the most important part of the saddle?
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In my opinion, yeah. Because I mean, we can cover it
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with leather and different factories and different
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decorations and all of that stuff.
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But the base of that tree, it's handmade, it's wrapped in
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rawhide, it's strong. We're not going to compete with
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the lightweights like the 8 pounders and stuff like that
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'cause we're actual material. But yeah, the tree of the saddle
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is close contact. It's made for women, made for
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men. It's, it's beautiful.
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Yeah, yeah. Freeze up a shoulder, you know,
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And if we don't, if we can't fit your horse, I'll eat my own boot
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because we can custom fit that tree to any horse because we're
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hand making them anyways, so we don't care.
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Now, are they being handmade in Brazil or in New Zealand?
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No, in Brazil, everything's built in Brazil, OK.
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A lot of our saddle companies are in Brazil, right?
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Like we're in the same factory as our women's saddles, I think
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is Martin, there's a bunch of them.
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I haven't actually been into that factory.
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Our old factory was like National Roper Supply and other
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people were in there too. I'm not sure who's left in
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there, but different qualities of leather, different
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decorations like it, it makes the job form really confusing,
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right, Because the options are here and the options are there,
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Yeah. That like, you know, coming into
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this, you know, into like horses and everything, there's so much
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freaking information. It's overwhelming.
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It is, it's like very overwhelming.
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And when I started looking into like saddle fitting and all this
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stuff, it's like. You might have to learn Swahili
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'cause it's. Like, yeah, yeah, and everybody.
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Tells you something different too.
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And then and, and some things not in with the saddles and
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stuff like that, but like there are some things that you'll hear
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5 different ways of doing it. So there's not just one way of
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doing something when it comes to horses, but everybody's like my
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way is the best way. Everybody has their opinion and
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I mean, there's room for absolutely everyone in this
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industry. I mean, there's over 15,000
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barrel saddles sold in the US, not counting rope saddles and
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all the rest of that jazz. There's room for everybody.
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But I always tell people the horse won't lie.
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It'll be an absolute yes or an absolute no when you get in that
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saddle, if it fits correctly. And you, you know, I can I just
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educate. Everybody makes the right
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decision for them and their horse in the right feel.
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And yeah, it's overwhelming. And I'll be honest, I didn't
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know. Shit.
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About that, I'm like, well, this one's comfy, right?
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This one's good. I didn't fall out of that one,
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so that one must be all right. Like right.
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I mean, I had my saddle that I was comfortable in and now I'm
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kind of a complete saddle snub. Like, Oh my God, what's all that
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between my knees? Like, oh, my horse moves like
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crap. Like, you know, little things
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like that. And we get a lot of like the
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saddle fit and stuff. Social media is a detriment to a
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lot of it, right? So that's why I'm very adamant
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about get in the arena, get in the saddle, put it on your
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horse. You know your horse better than
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anybody. Get in it and feel it.
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Yeah. If you don't like it, that's
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good. Maybe we can adjust something or
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maybe you just don't like it or that's not what you're used to.
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But there's an absolute yes when you feel the right and, and most
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people don't know what right feels like because they don't,
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they don't know. So quick story, I'm teaching in
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New Zealand and got this girl there.
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She's a beautiful rider. You've got a really nice horse.
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The horse seems really broke, like everything's working good,
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but something was miscommunicating along the way.
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So she's trying to get her horse to sit, squeeze, woe, stop.
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And the horse is kind of like pitching forward and she has to
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get after him to bring him back. And I'm like, I'm not there to
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do saddles, I'm there to teach. So I got to, I can't put that
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hat on till she opens that door. And so she finally opened the
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door at the end of the day and I'm like, oh, I'm so glad you
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asked. Right, because I think.
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This is a saddle. I think it's a saddle issue
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because I mean, the riders good, the horse is good and it's just
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like they're getting so frustrated in their own stuff,
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like maybe it's me or maybe it's this and I'm like it's a.
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Tool, Yeah. It's, it's your tools, right?
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If it's the wrong bit, we change them so.
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And in New Zealand, everything is super expensive because
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everything gets shipped from North America.
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So then you add that on top of all the cost.
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And, and so she's trying a different saddle and I'm like, I
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like those saddles. I wrote in one for a lot of
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years and I love it. I said, try it.
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It's cheaper than a new one. And then Nancy was over there,
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Nancy Franco, like the builder of the saddle itself.
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And I said, do you have these trees?
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Because there's a couple of horses that I think would fit.
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If you're there, you can do the saddle stuff.
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And she's like, OK, I'll bring them.
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So Ellen, I'm going to use a real name.
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And Ellen's riding around in this saddle.
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They used one. And I'm like, what are you
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doing, Ellen? And she's like, oh, you know, it
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feels nice. And Kate, I said, Ellen, run
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down the arena, stop your horse. Horse does the same thing, like
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kind of hollows out in the back and can't get her back.
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And she kind of pops up in the air.
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And I'm like, OK, like the horse didn't lie.
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The horse answered the question whether that's how to quit
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thinking about it. Nancy just pulled in.
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Go get a saddle from her. So she comes back in the arena
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and riding around and I'm like, Ellen, what are you doing?
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Like get down the arena, run down the arena, stop your horse.
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And she kind of rolls her eyes at me because she's like, man,
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you're like, I'm, I'm just a, a no bullshit kind of girl.
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Like it's like either a yes or no.
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Like it's black and white. I mean, I live in the Gray area,
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but everything else in my life is black and white.
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Your farrier. Yeah, like a horse walked away
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with a limp or walked away clearly, right?
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The horse, the foot. Yeah, all of it.
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So she runs down the arena. That horse just coils up and
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steps into reverse. And she turns and she looks at
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me and she's like, I'm like, it's either fuck yes, fuck no,
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there's no in between. So now you know what Wright
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feels like. And I turn around and I go do my
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other thing, like what I was doing over here.
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And it was like, she'll make that decision for herself.
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I don't need to. She felt what Wright felt like.
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That's what I've been trying to get through to her for the last
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couple of days at the clinic. She felt it.
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Now it's up to her. So.
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And that's usually what I do like.
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We rent the arena, we buy snacks.
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We tell people to come on in, I'll help you with your saddle.
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You can try our saddles. You can do whatever you want.
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It's all free. Yeah.
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Come ride. That's it.
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That's all we do over and over again.
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We meet lots of people. You want to fix your headphones.
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Oh yeah, your hair. Oh did I?
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Did I wreck my hair? It's OK, It's all right.
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Are we better? Yes.
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OK, I don't want to stop you in the middle of your story.
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But I was like, we, we got to help her.
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Yeah, we. Can't.
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We can't. Yeah, we can't like.
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Amateur. No, we just can't.
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I mean, I do that. I'm like, except these
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headphones man, They being a girl's heart.
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Sometimes, yeah. Exhausting.
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I can't relate, but I could only imagine.
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Yeah, you know, I have a cool idea for you.
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OK, so over at Duns Arena, you could rent out Duns Arena for
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like 2 hours for $100. Sweet.
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So I think that'd be awesome for you to, you know, hey, put it
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out there. Hey, on this day I'm going to
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rent out Dunn's Arena for two hours.
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Bring your horse. I got some saddles if you want
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to try them out and they could just ride them in the arena.
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Yeah, 'cause I was going to ask do you if you do any clinics
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here? I haven't done any clinics here
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yet. I mean, in the grand scheme of
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things, I'm really a nobody in the US like you guys are.
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You guys are huge. Like we get intimidated by the
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Palm, like I'm dipping my foot in right now.
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And. I mean, not that I'm not
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successful where it came from. I work a lot so I don't get to
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go out and be that, you know, Ashley Schaefer and all of those
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girls. I would love to whether my
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talent OR my horses are quite as high as that.
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But yeah, no, I'm, I'm in for anything.
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I do clinics. I was, I kind of don't like to
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step in when I see something and I did the other day and I almost
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felt bad about it. And I don't know if I offended
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people, but I'm like, can I help you for just a second?
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Once I please, there's sometimes like as long as you're being
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nice about it and you're not making me feel like a total
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buffoon because like we're still new into this.
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I've been writing consistently for like the last two years,
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almost three years, 2 1/2 years. And every day my my seats
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getting better. Like I was taking lessons for a
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little bit, but I was only going once or twice a week.
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So I just feel like I wasn't progressing.
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And now that I've been able to ride, gosh, four to five times a
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week for the last year and a half, it's completely different.
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But I know that there are still things that I need to change.
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So like, if somebody's going to be nice about it, I am all for
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the constructive criticism. Yeah, you're not there as a
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coach. You're never there to cut
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somebody down. You're there to build them,
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right? And I find a lot of girls
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forget, I mean, maybe not here because they don't have that
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experience here, but at home, sometimes it's like, how did you
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do? Because like when you're wearing
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a coach hat, your only measure of success is going to come from
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how your students do, not how good you are in the arena
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because that doesn't matter when you're a coach.
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That's a different. That's a different game.
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Yeah, so. So when you say home, are you,
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are you from like as you mentioned Canada, I'm from
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Canada, so do? You I'm down here on a visa.
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Gotcha. Yeah, because I was going to
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say, are you here seasonally? Are you just here?
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I'm I'm here to whatever the company needs now, right.
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So that's kind of cool. Home base is still Canada.
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That's where my dog is. That's where my house is yeah.
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But yeah, I'm, I'm freewheeling now I, I'm supposed to take I
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got training horses in so they're going home April.
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I keep a few of them, take some and return them, and then, yeah.
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And then I just float. Like if I've got an ambassador
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or a Rep down here that needs help, I jump a plane or I get in
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the truck and off we go. Yeah.
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So I'm trying to build everything from the ground up at
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this point. So how many, how many of you
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guys is here for with Franco Saddles right now?
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Just me. Just you, yeah.
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And then the and then the builder.
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And then the builder, yeah. And I've got my chief operator
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in Canada. I've got a few reps and like
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I've got three or four or five maybe we're working there in
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Canada doing it because you just the four events, lots of
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saddles, lots of miles, you can't do it alone.
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So I've got that one kind of set and steady and got our, you
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know, North America stuff like, you know, we're split between
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finances and Canada finances in the US, all of that stuff.
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And now here I am looking for who wants to be involved at the
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saddle company, who wants to have a second part time job or
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full time job or whatever you choose to do.
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And I feel like everybody wins if everybody's doing it.
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And that's my coaching aspect coming back, right?
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Like I don't, I'm only as good as my team is.
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So now I'm trying to develop that team, right?
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So I've got a few good contacts from the NFR.
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So I go to Wisconsin, I go to Michigan, I'm going to
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Louisiana. And I'm, I figured Arizona is
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probably my best place to meet people from all over, Yeah.
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'Cause they all come here, 'cause they all.
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Come here and then and I'll be honest, I'm scared of Texas, I
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mean. I don't.
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I don't blame you. I'm scared of Texas.
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Super intimidating. Texas.
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I want to be afraid of Texas. I'm afraid of Texas only for the
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fact that that's when you got to have your shit together, right?
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That's when you can't have those little blips and those little,
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you know, the little whoops here in the little bike.
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Oh, did I, did I forget that or did I do that?
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Like as a business person, things when you get to Texas go
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big and not that we don't have a great product that I think that
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they could go, you know, team ropers, breakaway ropers, all of
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that. Like my ambassador is actually
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in school for breakaway roping. She's in school in Texas.
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Amazing kid. I love her about her by
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accident, which is perfect. And I'm ready.
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But I'm not. I'm.
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I'm. I hope I'm ready.
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Yeah. Does that make sense?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, I think that's like smart, right, Because you got to kind
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of be strategic on how you move about growing a business and
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growing a brand. Growing it and I don't want the,
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I don't want the negative. I we're going to get the
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negative because I mean, that's just part of it.
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But how to keep it? Where it's not an influence to
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people attempting to try it or scrolling past us on social
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media or or. Right.
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Yeah. And they do a lot of events,
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like Ashton Sheridan Sun just came back from Texas and he went
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to a few like Big Food charity events.
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Oh, that's right. Yeah.
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So like, I feel like, 'cause they do a lot of futurity events
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there in Texas. So it would be, I mean, yeah,
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they are everywhere. But I feel like, I don't know,
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I've been seeing a lot of things in Texas and I'm like, Dang, but
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you know, I totally. I get where you're.
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Coming like once I grow up, I want to be there.
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Yeah, yeah. Those are the Texas is the big
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dogs. Texas is the big dogs.
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Exactly. And, and they know it, right?
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But they're welcoming and they're friendly.
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Like you can go to barrel racing all over the place.
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I've been, I know when I had my other, when I was competing off
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my other gelding, he's old now. And, and we had winds in 4
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provinces and five states like we were, we were hauling.
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And the girls in the South like in, in the US were like so
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friendly. And I'm like, are they going to
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splash my tires? No, they're actually, they're
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actually nice. They're like, Oh my God, you
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drove all that way. And I'm like, I, we live in
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Canada, man. We're driving like we live.
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We don't have that. You know, close closeness, like
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I'm getting to be kind of a little bit old now, like a drive
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every day for Ferrier work and I don't want to get back in the
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truck and drive again. Like where's the closest barrel
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race I can hit? So is, so this is so you are a
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full time failure. In Canada in.
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Canada, you try not to because it takes up too much of my
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daylight hours here. Yeah, and it's like a really
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busy time here, so I can't. And people are always looking
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for. Yeah, they're always looking and
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I'll help anybody out. Like if we're at a barrel race
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and somebody knocks a shoe off or something, I will slap it
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back on and. We'll go.
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I have no problems doing any of that stuff.
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But to commit to being someone's farrier when I'm supposed to
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commit to this? I know it was getting to the
18:53
point where the balance is I got to choose one or the other.
18:56
And I think this. I mean, chucking saddles is a
18:59
lot easier on your body than climbing underneath some base.
19:02
Yeah. No, it's I'm going to focus on
19:05
this here because I got to, right.
19:07
I just think it's a beautiful, beautiful saddle.
19:10
And they, they really are. I keep admiring this barrel 1
19:14
and I was going to ask because are you still competing?
19:16
Like do you still compete quite often?
19:17
I try. I mean, I've got young ones here
19:19
now that, you know, with our stuff in Canada, we got super
19:23
steaks and I don't want to burn them out.
19:24
We see so many girls come down to Arizona and they burn their
19:26
horses out and they get home and they are hot.
19:29
Like it's like, whoa, that one is going to be a force to be
19:32
reckoned with. And then by the time you get to
19:34
September, October, when things really count for us, they're
19:37
they're powered out. So I'm like, OK, be patient.
19:40
The season hasn't started yet. The season is not ready yet, you
19:43
know, So I'm getting these young ones going banking on October,
19:48
right? So as much as I'd love to be a
19:50
rock star down here. Yeah, I can't.
19:54
Like, I just can't put the pressure on those Colts like
19:56
that. Yeah, totally.
19:58
I get that. Competing and trying to get wrap
20:00
your head around ones that got a little a little damage here and
20:03
a little lazy there. Yeah.
20:05
How many horses do you have down here 6/6?
20:08
Too many. Dang, not enough daylight hours
20:11
for six. I was going to say.
20:12
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. And next year is only going to
20:15
be 3 or 4. Three or 4.
20:17
Yeah. And even then, like my kids, my
20:19
kid comes down and helps all the time.
20:21
And he's part of the business at home, too.
20:22
And he's an equine dentist. And, you know, so he's good with
20:25
the horses. He rode and competed until he
20:26
went and played hockey. And I I got to go for a week and
20:30
he's like, OK. And he round pens him for me
20:33
because his knees are blown from hockey so they can't get back in
20:36
the saddle. But yeah, he's like six horses.
20:39
There's too many. Yeah, I I totally agree with
20:41
you. He goes.
20:42
I don't even want to cook supper.
20:44
I get it. There's a Taco truck on every
20:46
corner here. You are so glad.
20:48
Yeah, I cannot even imagine 6 right now, especially like
20:51
having a full time job because. So we had three here.
20:55
One of them just sold, but I was working all three and my husband
21:00
didn't realize I had been working 3 and it takes forever.
21:05
So like I was, I was down for about a week sick and I had him.
21:12
I was like, is there any chance you can, you can get these
21:15
horses out for me, please. He didn't realize.
21:18
He goes after the second one. He goes, shit, I still got one
21:23
more. Yeah, he goes, you do this every
21:26
day. And I'm like.
21:27
Yeah, yeah, we're amazing, right?
21:29
And he's like, I'm tired. And I said Anne.
21:34
And not only that, I still come in when I'm done and I make
21:37
dinner and he goes, Oh my God, I was.
21:42
Like, yeah, it's. A lot of work.
21:43
Yeah, they are. And y'all got.
21:45
Six, I was mad at my phone. I was mad at my phone the other
21:48
weekend I had to fly home and do furrier work because I have
21:51
clients up there and I'm like, you know, I can't really like
21:53
just skip one and not the other, right?
21:56
Because I'm going to, Yeah. What if I fall on my head?
21:59
So I fly home for a week and I have 100 and three horses lined
22:04
up to trim, which is stupid. My limit's 50 a week.
22:08
But I'm like a coupon Clipper, right?
22:11
So I go in a miles. So I get.
22:13
Up there and I go and I get all these horses done and my phone
22:16
Dings at me because my phone stays in the truck when I'm
22:19
doing ferry work because the last thing I need is it going
22:21
off and something jumping on my head.
22:23
Yeah. My phone Dings and says you've
22:26
taken a lot less steps this week than last.
22:29
You're burning way less calories.
22:30
I was ready to tell Apple to go kiss my ass because it's like,
22:33
you have no idea just 'cause you're sitting in a truck all
22:36
day, right? But I'm like kind of offended.
22:38
But I checked my step count just because I was curious with six
22:41
horses and, you know, being busy and yeah, I'm sitting about 2025
22:45
thousand steps a day just giving her with six horses.
22:48
And I'm like, no wonder my, I'm tired wonder, wonder.
22:50
My feet hurt. I'm actually wearing out a pair
22:52
of shoes. I haven't done that before, I
22:54
think usually last forever, but these ones are cooked there's.
22:59
Dang in 20. Horses.
23:00
That's wild. How many days did you do that
23:02
in? How many days did I do those
23:04
horses? Yeah, I landed on Thursday.
23:07
I landed on Thursday and I'm like, OK, so I'm going to just
23:10
throw my nippers in my carry on bag, right?
23:12
Cool. Get to the airport.
23:14
OK, The flights changed in the morning, so I messaged the first
23:18
client like, I'm going to be landing late.
23:20
You know, Ding's at 7, I leave at 8:00, we're perfect.
23:23
I'm going to be an hour late now.
23:25
Call that guy, message that guy. We're good.
23:28
Ding, WestJet again says Nope, we're going to be going early
23:31
now. And I'm like, oh shit, so now
23:33
wake the kid, get me to the airport.
23:35
Traffic's terrible. Good just enough time to get
23:38
through security. They take my nippers and they're
23:40
like, you can't take these on the plane and I'm like, I'm like
23:44
what am I going to do bludgeon somebody to death because
23:45
they're so dull like there's nothing I can't hurt anybody
23:49
like granny's granny's nail file is going to be more dangerous
23:51
than my nippers are. No, you can't have them.
23:54
I tried to give them to the security guard because I'm like,
23:56
you should take these because they're probably still worth 300
23:58
bucks like. Yeah.
23:59
Take him. He's like how?
24:00
I can't he's you can mail him to yourself.
24:02
I'm like, yeah, but I won't get back out and back in because I'm
24:04
going to miss my flight. Yeah.
24:05
Then I sat on the tarmac for an hour anyways, and then I ended
24:07
up being. Late.
24:08
Oh my gosh. So then phone the first client
24:10
and go like I don't have any nippers.
24:13
He goes, well, I prepare that you know, I used prior to you 14
24:16
years ago. I'm like, we should be able to
24:18
nigh ourselves through some feet.
24:19
Almost. Get a new set of nippers that
24:22
I'd already pre-ordered so I was picking them up that night.
24:25
I get to the first client in the morning, makes it through three
24:28
feet and they seize. I'm like, the universe is
24:32
telling me that this isn't my job anymore.
24:35
I'm like, Oh my God, I made it through the week.
24:39
And then the new nippers, that Brandy ones that I had to go get
24:42
after the first set, they ended up chipping after like 30
24:45
horses. So I sent a picture to the to
24:47
the supplier and I'm like OK, like the universe is telling me
24:52
no. Yeah, on Ferrier work anymore
24:54
and I'm like, I love it. But I don't like being beat up
24:58
at the end of the day. I was going to say that's got to
24:59
be so hard on your body, like every time the fair comes out
25:04
for ours. And yeah, I'll just be chit
25:07
chatting with him. Like I can hardly handle just
25:10
picking the feet. You could like my, my back.
25:12
I'm like, God damn, I could never be a fairy or like my, my
25:15
back. I am my back.
25:16
Everybody should know how to. Do it though so I have this one
25:19
lady at. Home she is cool and she does
25:23
her own feet. She's 606162 and she was so
25:27
worried because she had like a a laminitic like metabolic horse
25:30
and I was like but I'm not going to be here so.
25:33
She's doing her own. Oh wow, and she can get through
25:36
four horses herself and I'm like, we got kids that won't
25:39
even file a toll. But I'll tell you now that her
25:42
horses have been done by her, they stand way nicer.
25:45
Really. Yeah, it would be so much nicer
25:48
if people just. Did that for.
25:50
Oh my gosh, I would love to learn more about feet.
25:52
Like we recently just changed farriers and he's been super
25:57
like educational and he's helping me understand kind of
26:01
how. I mean we just started with him.
26:03
So like each time I know I'm going to learn something new and
26:05
I'm not a hoverer so I don't ever want to make him feel like.
26:08
You're watching over a hover a. Hover.
26:11
Yeah, like I don't hover when people are doing work here.
26:14
Like I just leave him be. That's the first time I've heard
26:17
of that word cover. Yeah.
26:18
Maybe cover her. We can make them up.
26:22
Yeah. Leave me alone, OK?
26:25
I have my own dictionary, God damn it.
26:27
Sorry, she can't smell what she's stepping in.
26:30
Yeah, you're not picking up what I'm putting down.
26:32
You know what you you give me a lot of?
26:34
Shit, you're not going to give me some shit too, so.
26:38
So anyway, you're not a hover. I'm not a hover, so I try not to
26:41
like, hang out here too long. I'll just kind of come and go,
26:46
come up with a question, come out.
26:47
Sometimes just hang out. Sometimes the horses are better
26:49
when you're not around. Sometimes they're better when
26:51
you are around. Like, yeah.
26:52
No mine. I think especially that Palomino
26:54
over there. I feel like she would be a brat
26:56
if we hung out too long. Yeah, 'cause you know, they yeah
26:59
nose and, you know, and they wiggle and, you know, just
27:02
little things that like irritate your day, especially when you
27:05
just come from somewhere that's already had like I had a my Kiwi
27:10
kid that comes in and rides with me in the summers.
27:13
She's like, I'm just going to call your clients and tell them
27:15
you died, right? Because I'm getting to the point
27:18
where I'm like, I just cross eyed and I don't want to drive
27:21
anymore and I don't want them. I'm getting beat up and she's
27:24
like, I'm just going to call them and tell them you died.
27:26
I'm like, please do. And then?
27:28
I'm like, no, I get, you know, I sleep, I get over it and I get
27:31
up in the morning and off I go again.
27:32
And then the next day she's like, I'm just going to call him
27:34
and tell him. Tell him you died.
27:35
Like you'd probably be more realistic if you said I landed
27:38
in jail. Right.
27:39
Right, right. So yeah, I know, but.
27:42
Kind of like with a really fun story, right?
27:44
That way, like she can go back and, 'cause you say Kiwi kid,
27:47
New Zealand, Yeah, yeah. So just that way she can go back
27:51
and have a couple stories lined up.
27:53
Oh. Yeah, we have lots of.
27:54
Stories, you know? Yeah.
27:55
'Cause. You get tired, you get
27:57
overtired, you start thinking, and that's actually kind of
28:00
where all like this saddle stuff come in because I'm like driving
28:02
down the road and I'm like, I do, I, I love my life, but I
28:05
hate my life at the same time, right?
28:06
Because you're like, you're exhausted, your arms are rubber,
28:08
your feet hurt. You're, you know.
28:10
You tweak something, you're sitting in the truck and you're
28:12
like, you know, like that doesn't feel good.
28:14
That doesn't feel good. You.
28:15
I'm learning how to like chiropractor myself as I'm like
28:18
driving, you know, maybe that's the distracted driving.
28:21
I don't know, but yeah, we got lots of like I'm sitting there
28:25
and I'm thinking and I'm my brain is going off and it's
28:27
like, oh, what if I did this with the saddles and I did this
28:31
and then we, you know, and all those bad ideas and risks come
28:37
to the surface. Like it's kind of like the.
28:40
You've siphoned them all out and now all the big rocks are at the
28:42
top. And yeah, the saddles stayed at
28:45
the top with all those dumb ideas that start rolling through
28:48
but like, don't give me. Don't give me rain to be the
28:52
leader of the pack when I'm overtired, because the dumb
28:56
ideas will. Shine, Yeah, yeah.
28:57
And. Then you got all hell break
28:59
loose. Oh yeah, well, I had like for my
29:02
kids 18th birthday because he was off playing hockey and he's
29:04
in Ontario, which is the suck because his, you know, 18th
29:07
birthday in Alberta is like that's the, that's the you're an
29:10
adult, right. Oh yeah, in Ontario, it's 19.
29:13
So he goes there to play hockey in his big dream, and it wasn't
29:15
going the way he wanted it to go.
29:17
And I'm driving home and I'm really tired.
29:20
I'm like, you know, so he didn't do something really big for his
29:23
birthday and like, I need AI need to sing in Midget.
29:26
I need to sing in Midget, right? I'm like, OK, so then we go and
29:31
like I need to figure out how to make his birthday as memorable
29:35
as I can get. So now I've got like 5 friends
29:38
on my phone going. I'm like, we need to find a
29:39
stinging Midget. Just sing a telegram, go to the
29:41
school because it's a hockey school, right?
29:42
Nobody's going to expect that shit get we've got 5 people
29:47
singing. Midgets are expensive.
29:48
Stop. You're.
29:50
Terrible. And then my kids, like you think
29:54
singing ones are expensive. He goes, try the strippers.
29:57
The Midget strippers are like $5000.
29:59
I'm like, how do you know this? Well, let me tell you something,
30:03
Mom. But apparently the dumb ideas
30:06
are genetic. We did make his birthday
30:09
memorable. We did not.
30:10
We could, I could not afford a Midget.
30:12
But yeah, you know, and maybe that's not politically correct,
30:14
but I mean, they're, they're wonderful.
30:16
And it's like, I just love every one of them.
30:18
I don't even know them, but it's.
30:19
Like, was that an overtired idea?
30:21
Yeah. I love that.
30:22
Oh my gosh. Right.
30:24
I love it. I could do.
30:25
Can you plan my next birthday? I could.
30:28
I'm like shenanigator. That's the one that I I want to
30:32
take top shenanigator. Yeah, I love because.
30:35
Gosh, we love shenanigans. Oh yeah, life is ridiculous.
30:37
You might as well roll with it, right man doesn't make people
30:41
laugh and make people happy. And if it didn't work like I've
30:45
come I've. Come out of the arena more times
30:47
than not going I've won a lot right like in in the odds of you
30:53
know how many times you run to how many times you win and stuff
30:55
like that like it might I'm I'm good, not great, but I'm good
31:00
and. Everybody sees what you win.
31:02
That's why they tire you to do clinics or listen to what your
31:05
story is and why you want to try the saddle and all that kind of
31:09
stuff. But there's more times than not
31:10
that you don't win. Then you you come out of the
31:13
arena and you're like, that did. Not go as planned.
31:15
Yeah, that plan did not work. Note to self don't do that again
31:20
or why did I do that? Yeah.
31:23
Yeah, it's super humbling. Like I feel like I'm humbled
31:26
every time I get out of the saddle in some way, shape or
31:29
form. So I start, just started barrel
31:32
racing in May and then I've obviously there was like nothing
31:36
in the summertime 'cause I didn't go anywhere.
31:39
And I'm still like learning. Like we're all learning.
31:42
Still learning and and I'm barrel racing on an ex rope
31:45
horse. So she's learning, Yeah.
31:47
And she, I mean, she's been doing pretty good, but like, I
31:49
feel like every single time I'm like, gosh Dang it, like I feel
31:52
like I'm doing really good, you know?
31:54
Yeah. And I feel like I'm going
31:55
really, really, really fast. Yeah.
31:57
And then they tell me the time and I'm like, but then I'm like
32:00
so hard on myself even though I've literally been doing this
32:03
for like a couple months. We're our own worst critics.
32:06
Always. Yeah, right.
32:07
Always. So yeah, just find someone
32:09
that's going to build you. Your team is supposed to be on
32:11
your side. Yeah, right.
32:12
They're supposed to see you win. And I always tell girls at
32:14
clinics too, you know, we got three friends.
32:16
Honestly you got 3 friends. You got your friends when you're
32:19
on the losing side, you got your friends when you're on the
32:21
winning side, and there's only probably 3 or 4 that match up on
32:25
both ends, right? It's come and go.
32:27
Just just be nice, just be kind. Don't be tearing people down or
32:32
screaming at the gate guy or the rodeo committee or something
32:35
like that. Just just go on and be nice,
32:37
because at the end of the day, you're not going to call any of
32:39
these people for coffee, right? I know if your mom dies, you're
32:41
not going to call any of them anyways.
32:42
Yeah. So take your three friends, go
32:44
home and be happy. Yeah.
32:46
Right. Less is more, less is more.
32:48
Heck, it gets overwhelming in your time, like time, right.
32:53
All summer long I was like, I could think of is I just want to
32:55
go home and ride my horse. Yeah, that's gonna go home.
32:57
Like I'm going to come to Arizona, just going to ride a
32:59
horses over there just. Going to ride a one of them
33:02
that's so exciting. I just, I just love your story
33:04
and like how you're you're from Canada, you went to New Zealand,
33:08
got in with Franco, and then now you're here.
33:11
Yeah. And are you, you're you're not
33:13
by yourself, right? No, my son.
33:15
Come down with me, OK? All right, My, my world is just
33:21
kind of like a fly by the seat of your pants at the moment.
33:24
Live in a holiday trailer. It's kind of nice.
33:25
It's like super festively. Yeah.
33:27
You know, but the weather has been great aside from the
33:30
floods. But that was pretty cool.
33:31
I did. I did paddle board in the
33:33
desert. That's all through the yard.
33:35
Good for you. Till the neighbor dog, Pete, was
33:37
dead and on the other side of the fence.
33:38
And he's like, I don't think you should be floating past my
33:40
fence. Yeah.
33:41
OK, Pete, no, take it. Oh my gosh.
33:43
Anybody. Record you doing that?
33:45
We got some videos. Yeah, I know why people die in
33:48
flash floods, because you noticed dumb Canadians you don't
33:50
know, Like, OK, we're not dumb, but we're very inexperienced
33:53
maybe. So we think of, you know, we get
33:56
our view of the Americans and it's like they're all packing
33:58
guns and there's snakes and spiders and.
34:01
You know, yeah, I'm not allowed. To pack a gun because I'm not a
34:05
citizen. So it's kind of like, well.
34:07
Damn right. That's what you come down here
34:09
for. But then you come, there's
34:11
snakes, there's scorpions, that stuff can kill you.
34:14
And then, you know, we don't kick stuff before we pick it up,
34:19
which apparently you're supposed to do.
34:21
Because that's when the bugs and stuff goes away.
34:23
Oh, yeah, we've, I've been here my whole life and I learned a
34:25
very hard lesson not doing that, not shaking out a shoe that we
34:28
leave. I have like a little.
34:30
Boot or whatever. Yeah.
34:32
Up at the back door and I didn't do that and a a camel spider.
34:39
What the hell is? That I mean, they're, they're
34:41
awful. So they eat scorpions.
34:43
They don't have venom or anything, but they have little
34:45
pinchers and I stuck my foot in my little muck boot up there and
34:51
I was like, ow. And I like, took it off and it's
34:54
just hanging on my toe. Oh, I'd lose it.
34:57
Oh, I did. I screamed and it comes running
35:00
out. So yeah, I mean, we, I've been
35:01
here my whole life and we still are not great at doing that.
35:03
So. Yeah, well, we're really bad at
35:05
it. Really bad.
35:07
Like I would probably just burn, burn my hay pile if there was a
35:12
snake in it. Like I just, I can't.
35:15
I just. No.
35:16
Yeah, we don't have that like we have.
35:19
We have snakes in southern Alberta and I was at one place
35:22
down by the river and there's rattlesnakes down there and I
35:24
said if one comes in the barn, I'm just leaving my stuff and
35:26
everything. I'm just leaving.
35:27
Like I'm, I'm gone. I'm gone.
35:29
Yeah. Then I go to Texas to learn some
35:32
lameness stuff, and you know, there's stuff down there too.
35:35
And I'm like this poor pony. The first day of the clinic, we
35:38
walk in in the morning and there's a pony with blood coming
35:40
out its eyes and its ears. And I'm like.
35:41
What the what the hell? Oh no.
35:44
So, yeah, and then I'm doing a doing the main event in Canada
35:48
and I'm like side by side with the one of the instructors that
35:52
came by. There's a dude from Texas and
35:54
he's like looking out and it had snowed.
35:57
And he's like, well, that wasn't in the brochure.
36:00
I'm like, it's April. Like we, I mean, we could still
36:03
be snowed in. Like, we could still have a snow
36:04
day at school. And I'm like, but we don't have
36:07
any of that other stuff that'll kill you.
36:08
Like you get us dummies down here.
36:10
And when we, you know, just go pick up firewood and he's like,
36:13
oh, no, you kick it first. Yeah.
36:15
Oh my gosh. Well, you guys got ice and snow
36:18
up there like bad, right? Yeah.
36:21
The week I got, the week I got home was really nice.
36:24
We were kind of above, we were above freezing, so like and the
36:27
horses were all like loving and study.
36:29
Behavior. Melissa, that is not nice.
36:31
No, that it was, it was nice. Like really it was for us.
36:35
It was beautiful. I was dreading the going home.
36:37
Like my son went home for Christmas and he's like, I just
36:41
can't get warm because it was minus like ours your -40 and our
36:45
-40 is the same. So because Fahrenheit to
36:49
Celsius. Oh yeah.
36:50
So his -40 and my -40 or like, yeah, so he was at -40.
36:56
And he's like I just. Can't get warm.
36:58
I'm like, now I know how my stepmom felt right when she come
37:01
from California at Christmas time is like that.
37:03
No, everyone wants to be together at Christmas time, but
37:05
it's like, can't we just do that somewhere else?
37:08
And then we all those Canadians want to know for Christmas and
37:11
then it can't go away. Like I lived in Indiana for like
37:15
5 years and and I was born and raised here in Arizona.
37:19
And I'm telling you, like that first winter, well, all the
37:22
winners kick my ass. Like I was, I was in long Johns
37:25
in like September, Yeah, all the way up until May.
37:29
Yeah, yeah. No, I usually wear my ski pants
37:31
from September till May. OK, well, that makes me feel a
37:34
little bit better. But all the guys that I worked
37:36
with, like they're just wearing jeans and a shirt and a jacket
37:40
and I'm like, dude. And it's like, you know, 30°,
37:44
probably 40 fifties, you know, and I'm, I'm cold.
37:50
No, I get it. I hated it.
37:52
I hate it too. My hands.
37:53
And my hands don't hurt down here.
37:56
My shoulders don't hurt down here.
37:57
My first, my first week in Indiana, I was, I was going to
38:01
school and I had my van up there and there was a ice storm that
38:09
just passed, right. First time ever being in ice
38:14
storm or whatever. And there's like a thick piece
38:16
of ice on my windshield and I'm like, damn.
38:20
So I go up to my room, I get a pot and I boil it.
38:23
Oh, no, he wrecked your windshield.
38:25
I thank God I didn't, but I just like threw it on there, you
38:29
know, and I had my van started already.
38:31
So like the, so like the heat was kind of warming up.
38:35
The ice melts, you know, I let my instructors know, hey, I'm
38:38
probably going to be a little bit late.
38:40
You know, I show up all late and they're like, what's what's
38:42
wrong? Because they all know that I'm
38:43
from Arizona. What's wrong, Shane?
38:46
And I told them they're like, dude, you did.
38:50
Don't ever pour boiling water on ice on your windshield.
38:54
I'm like, why? Like, 'cause it'll freaking
38:56
break it. I'm like, ah, shit, I see.
38:57
I didn't know that. Yeah.
38:59
And I'm like, that's something you need to tell me day one.
39:01
Yeah. Salt is your friend with ice.
39:04
Yeah. Oh.
39:06
Yeah, so see, I would be absolutely clueless 'cause I'm
39:09
born and raised here too. And if we ever, if we ever
39:13
moved, it would be because of Nate's job.
39:16
And more than likely it would send us to like the Midwest.
39:19
And that like shatters me internally because I know that
39:24
I'm a struggle. Oh yeah.
39:26
Oh yeah. You know what I mean?
39:27
And I don't know anything about what you need to do when it's
39:30
really cold. You know what I mean?
39:32
I I just. Dress warm.
39:33
Yeah, I don't. Have to get a whole new
39:35
wardrobe. Yeah.
39:37
Oh, yeah. That's like the worst part is
39:38
like having to put on a bunch of clothes just to go outside and
39:41
then come back in and then take it all off.
39:44
It's like, gosh, yeah, I know. It's it's like routine.
39:47
We just, we don't know any better.
39:49
But I did kind of laugh because my dad is Canadian and he got,
39:52
he come down to the States and he got his citizenship and stuff
39:55
and he's like, I love those ice storms in Texas.
39:59
He's Canadian, so he knows what they're all about.
40:02
But. The other ones don't.
40:04
And he's like, it is so entertaining that they get to
40:08
watch the, you know, the classical music and the cars
40:10
floating and the people falling and stuff.
40:13
And then there was a girl from up north that had they run a
40:17
ranch in Texas and in the winter, so they'd come down and
40:20
bring a bunch of horses and run this ranch.
40:22
And that's when they had all that snow.
40:25
And she was like, instantly, like, they're pretty smart for
40:28
being Canadian, like being up north and dealing with the cold
40:31
all the time. It was like, tarp in the
40:32
trailers, get some generators, got gash, like, get the cabs
40:35
inside the trailer, get them dried.
40:36
You know she had it all figured out.
40:39
Nobody else. Nobody else did.
40:41
It was just kind of trying to be resourceful where you don't have
40:44
that stuff ready. Right.
40:46
Right. Exactly.
40:47
But yeah, we're used to the cold.
40:49
We don't know how to deal with the heat.
40:51
See, I could. I could do the heat.
40:53
What's it like here in the summer?
40:54
Because that's awful. I mean, the worst could get like
40:57
120. Yeah.
40:58
Like frying eggs on the sidewalk.
41:00
People try yeah or they, there's there's been people that have
41:03
put like cookie dough on cookie sheets and just put them on
41:06
their dash. But like it's also, we always
41:08
joke when you you need like oven mitts to like use your steering
41:12
wheel because the steering wheel gets really hot or if you have
41:15
leather seats. Oh yeah.
41:18
And you're wearing shorts. Oh yeah.
41:19
They. Get sticky.
41:20
Yeah, well, they not only do they get sticky, but like.
41:22
They burn. Yeah, I'm like getting second
41:25
degree burns on the backs of my thighs.
41:26
And then your skin sizzles to the seats.
41:28
Yeah. Pretty much.
41:29
And then, like trying to get up and out of this is first, she
41:33
and you wouldn't get it 'cause you don't wear hoochie daddy
41:36
shorts. You're right.
41:36
Yeah. So like with girls, like if
41:39
you're wearing shorts or whatever, even if you're sitting
41:42
in one of those like vinyl boots or something, like your legs
41:45
start to stick and when you get up, it's like, I'm pretty sure a
41:48
layer of skin just peeled off and I'm leaving it behind.
41:52
I did that on a saddle once thinking it's hot.
41:54
I'm just going to ride in shorts.
41:56
And then the mayor reared and I went to get off and I left half
41:59
my ass in the cell. Oh yeah.
42:00
I was like, oh that hurt for days in the shower.
42:03
Oh, I bet. Oh my gosh.
42:05
But yeah, that heat leather no, and they find it funny too,
42:08
because like our options on our vehicles are so different than
42:12
your options on your vehicles down here like not not
42:14
different, but what we need like we need 4 by 4 yeah, we
42:18
definitely need 4 by 4. You guys don't down here, no.
42:21
Not really, no. Unless you're actually, like,
42:24
going, like going off the road, but for the most part and like,
42:28
heated seats and heated steering wheels are pretty important for
42:31
us. Yeah.
42:31
Like it is for me. That's what sold me my first one
42:33
time. Yeah, Was the heated steering
42:35
wheel. Yeah.
42:36
My truck's got a heated steering wheel and heated seats, and I
42:38
really love it. Yeah, I really love it.
42:40
Right? Yeah.
42:41
I tickled it yesterday and it was 60°.
42:45
I had the heated. Steering wheel on it and my
42:48
heated seat, but that was just because I use that more so for
42:50
my lower back relief, yeah. So you're not, you're like, not
42:54
even cold. No, I'm cold right now.
42:56
Oh, OK. Yeah, the guy I climatize quite
42:58
well to Arizona I. Was going to ask because yeah,
43:01
because I'm sitting here and I'm like every once in a while I
43:03
start shivering inside. Yeah, yeah.
43:06
No, my hands are cold. Definitely have.
43:08
A hand warmer. Do you want it?
43:09
No. I'm going to suck it up because
43:12
it could be so much worse your. Hands are going to turn black.
43:14
Could be so white because that's what they do.
43:17
Like when your hands start sweating?
43:19
My hands. My hands aren't sweating.
43:21
Yeah. So how long have you just did
43:24
you grow up with horses? And that was my, that was my, my
43:29
mom got me a pony. OK, OK.
43:32
And some just never outgrow it. And I just never outgrow it.
43:36
Like then when I had kids and I dropped them off and I'd be
43:38
going somewhere with the horses and she's like, could you come
43:40
down and down without the horses?
43:41
And I'm like, no, no, I can't. So home is where the horses are.
43:47
So I'm in Canada and they're like, oh, you're home.
43:49
And I'm like, well, no homes down there now.
43:52
Yeah. Like that's where they live.
43:53
That. So this is like, this is like in
43:56
your blood. I I might be genetically
43:59
deformed, but yeah, horses are in like.
44:02
Horses are in my blood. Yeah, like I, I don't, I don't
44:05
recall except for a brief stint for probably a month in my life
44:10
where I've never had a horse with me.
44:12
Like, damn. Oh, wow.
44:14
Yeah. I'm like, I just can't.
44:15
Like I, I always dream of that holiday.
44:18
Like somebody just wake me up and there's a beach and you can
44:20
hear it and, and there's not a horse to be seen, right?
44:23
Because I'm, you know, chasing horses all day.
44:26
I'm under them or I'm on them or I'm hauling them or I'm breeding
44:28
them or I'm doing something and it and then I get to that beach.
44:33
I'm. Like, I wonder what my horse is
44:35
doing. Yeah.
44:37
Oh, I wonder what race is coming up.
44:39
Like, can I be ready for that one?
44:40
Can I be ready for that one? Yeah, No, I'm now did you were
44:44
you on a ranch or anything or No, I was just on a little when
44:48
my mom had a quarter section and raised on that and you know, had
44:52
the dairy cow and the horses and the pony and, you know, scruffy
44:57
little bow dunk kids that that's that's what that was our toy
45:01
like that was our wheels. You know, you want to go to your
45:03
friend's house, you jump on your horse and off you go.
45:06
And then, yeah, I never got to be like, I never got to rodeo or
45:09
anything like that growing up because I couldn't afford it.
45:11
But. And then my mentor being Sharon
45:15
Camarillo, and she was always like, you make that run count to
45:18
get to the next run and, you know, make that horse count.
45:21
Be a nice horse, go to the next one, right?
45:23
Like, you're forever building up.
45:26
So. And I just kept adding to my
45:28
repertoire. Like, you know, I coach figure
45:30
skating because, you know, in Canada, you're either at the
45:32
rink or on a horse. Like, that's just how I grew up.
45:36
We had horse season and hockey season, like, and yeah, then I
45:40
just was like, I loved horses so much.
45:42
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And every horse is different, but the anatomy doesn't change.
48:03
They don't need a 2.0 upgrade. They don't need any of that
48:06
stuff. Same as the barrel pattern.
48:07
It's one to the right and two left and you go really fast.
48:09
Like, you know, And how do you make it faster?
48:13
How do you make their feet more the most efficient to the ground
48:15
that you can possibly make? How do you make that horses
48:18
stride as big as you can possibly make?
48:20
How do you make it so that we don't fall off at 90 miles an
48:22
hour? Like, you know, it just keep
48:24
adding and building and and like between feet and saddles and all
48:30
of that. It just kind of like grew into
48:32
what movement Plus really is, which is ideally getting people
48:36
to a enjoy the sport of barrel racing, being comfortable being
48:39
with your girls and getting faster and faster, right.
48:43
How do you how do you feel more secure when you start aging too?
48:47
Like we've got a lot of ladies that when I brought the saddle
48:51
to Canada, I was like, here's a good friend.
48:53
She's kind of like her second mom.
48:55
I'm like, she'll give me an honest opinion, love it or hate
48:57
it, but she's not going to go out and trash it, right?
49:00
So she loved it. She's like, I've never felt more
49:03
secure, like more balanced sitting on her horse because I'd
49:06
see her lean and I'd see her forward again and tested in the
49:08
back of my mind where I'm like seeing forward riders.
49:10
Does this work on everybody? And it worked on her too.
49:14
So got her centered. She doesn't.
49:16
Her horse would fall down in the arena.
49:18
Her, you know, it's like, how do I make her safe to enjoy it so
49:21
we don't lose? Because she's she's a great
49:24
lady. She laughs.
49:25
You can hear her laughing across the parking lot.
49:28
You know one of those ones, you don't want them to leave the
49:30
sport because they feel unsafe or they don't feel secure,
49:34
right? This settles helped, right?
49:37
Just making them feel that center where you've got a seat
49:39
belt. But the design into the patent
49:41
of this like with the your women's pelvis, the angle of
49:44
your femur, the forces that are generated between the tree and
49:47
your horse and putting them all together just changes the ride.
49:52
So how do I get a little girl to be more confident, right?
49:57
Get her sitting up straight so she doesn't feel like she's
49:59
pulling forward learning more about saddles that you know, I,
50:04
I didn't know about C pockets like the Hell's AC pocket.
50:08
Well, that goes by the junk in your trunk, right?
50:11
So everybody's built differently.
50:14
So when girls are like, I'm in a size 14 and it's like, that's
50:17
like jamming A7 into a size 3 jeans, right?
50:20
Like get rid of the numbers, get rid of the go back to feel.
50:25
But that seat pocket, if you're not hitting that seat pocket,
50:28
you're not going to feel that stability coming, sitting down
50:31
on your pockets coming into turn.
50:33
You're going to be pulled forward.
50:35
OK, because I was just about to ask.
50:36
So when they say like sit on your pockets, is that?
50:38
A sit in that pocket of your seat, like sit on the pockets of
50:41
your jeans because that's where like our brains can get there
50:44
and you know, you have three kind of positions on your
50:47
pelvis. So when you're like up and go or
50:49
sit neutral or sit down to stop or sit down to turn, but.
50:53
The saddle's supposed to help that.
50:55
Yeah, you know, it's supposed to be a tool to help get that gap
51:00
between human and horse to come together as one.
51:05
And everybody's different. Every horse is different.
51:07
Every every rider has different goals.
51:10
But. At the end of the day, comfort
51:13
for humans and horses has to be 1, right?
51:17
Yeah, you got an I'll fitting saddle, you are.
51:20
Going to have. Issues in your horse, in the
51:23
travelling, you're going to have them on one end or the other.
51:26
Their quadrupeds are supposed to be on all four moving cleanly.
51:30
And you know, we see muscle atrophy where they're like, they
51:33
get these big hollows behind their shoulder blades because
51:37
your saddle's not fitting. Why isn't your saddle fitting?
51:39
Is a gullet too wide? Is a gullet too?
51:41
Are the bars not right? Like, so then you take saddle
51:44
fit, and you got all of these, you know, secrets.
51:47
Yeah. And I can understand why saddle
51:49
companies do that. Like, we got an SRB 3, and then,
51:51
you know, we got AW4 and we got, like, all the different numbers
51:54
that people tag saddles on because you see one thing on
51:58
social media and you get a number in your head and like, I
52:00
need a 42° bar. Sweet.
52:04
Cool. Who measured it?
52:06
We're looking at a triangle. There's three corners on that
52:09
triangle. Which angle did they measure to
52:11
get 42? Because we don't know.
52:13
Yeah. You know, And, you know, we.
52:15
I watch a lot of that Wendy who is from Burns or isn't from
52:19
Burns anymore, I don't know. But Wendy has like, so much good
52:22
information. And she's like that older gal.
52:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's excellent.
52:27
And she's like, she's educating people and it's beautiful.
52:30
And Nancy's from Brazil learning English in learning English in
52:35
New Zealand. And I don't know if you've ever
52:37
gone to New Zealand, but I look at them and go, what'd you just
52:40
say? Like, your English and my
52:42
English do not match. Right.
52:44
OK. So then Nancy's learning that on
52:46
top of her Portuguese. And I'm like, sometimes the, the
52:50
language barrier gets tough. If she can't explain something.
52:53
We'll go back to Wendy and Wendy'll get like, she'll pick
52:56
out a video of what she's trying to explain.
52:58
And one of the, one of the videos that I'd watched was
53:02
like, everybody wants an angle for their horse.
53:05
This is what I've been told this what I've been taught, this is
53:07
what fit. But there's so many angles that
53:09
run through a saddle. It's like, well, which one,
53:12
right. And again, where, which triangle
53:15
are they measuring from? So when you say triangle, like,
53:18
is it like the front part of the Yeah, like the, the slope of the
53:22
saddle, like the, you know, 'cause you got, our horses have
53:25
changed so much in the last 20 years.
53:27
The saddles haven't changed a whole bunch, you know, but yeah,
53:31
the angles. So we try to keep it simple.
53:33
Like do you have a thoroughbred? Do you have a semi quarter
53:35
horse? Do you have a quarter horse?
53:36
Or do you have a really big quarter horse, right?
53:38
Or do you have a crossbred, right?
53:40
There's draft crosses, there's gypsy crosses, there's, you
53:43
know, there's all kinds of different crosses that people
53:46
can build and then they struggle the same way with the saddle
53:48
fit. So therefore when we custom,
53:50
we're hand making them anyways, so we can go out and actually
53:52
take those measurements, take the top line, rebuild their back
53:55
in the factory, build that tree around that horse.
53:58
Full wet back is what you want. I've got a roping ambassador in
54:03
Canada and he's feral. I love this kid.
54:05
He is absolutely feral. I bought a horse off and he had
54:08
saddle sores everywhere. Stint rot like he doesn't He
54:11
thought that was normal, right? Because you know, he, he was
54:15
raised and he just didn't just didn't know.
54:18
And he's like, I broke 4 trees off my big buckskin, 4 saddles
54:22
off my buckskin last year and I'm like, what are you doing?
54:27
So I'm like, well, we're going to test it.
54:31
So I threw a rope saddle at him and he's like, my horse never
54:34
works so good. And I'm like, what's the
54:35
difference? When it fits right, that horse
54:37
will push back into that saddle, push those shoulders up into
54:39
that saddle. So you put a already made Franco
54:42
saddle on his horse, on his horse, on his horse, because
54:45
we're not going to get that specific kid rides too many
54:47
horses, right? So we just kind of give him a
54:49
generic tree that was like not a generic tree, but just a kind of
54:52
our standard quarter horse tree because I looked at his horses.
54:54
They're kind of standard quarter horses, big and beefy.
54:58
And he's going to test it. I'm like, OK, fingers crossed.
55:04
OK. Everyday I'm like, is that phone
55:06
going to ring and say, because we have warranty on our tree,
55:08
right? Five years on the tree, same as
55:10
you know, lots of other saddle companies will warranty that.
55:14
Then this summer I get, I asked him probably in the spring.
55:18
I said, you know, what have you pulled with that saddle so far?
55:22
And he's like, well, I got my truck stuck.
55:25
So he unloaded his horse and pulled his truck out of the the
55:29
mud. Like, I don't think we're
55:31
designed to pull trucks, but OK. And then I get a video from a
55:35
lady. Hold on time out.
55:37
He pulled his truck with his horse off his saddle, off of his
55:42
saddle. Oh, what?
55:44
Yeah, OK. So you know, deli up and give
55:48
her guns like his horse is his horse is something else.
55:51
Like I'm talking like he said, wish me luck when he sent me a
55:56
picture of this buckskin horse. He goes, this is where I break
55:58
saddles and you know, maybe he doesn't pull a slack, maybe he
56:02
doesn't. I don't, I don't know, I don't
56:04
care. All I know is he's feral.
56:07
He's awesome. He's broke 4 saddles and so far
56:12
I am still standing and he'd pick up rides and there was a.
56:15
Bull with his. Feet in the dirt like a donkey.
56:18
And he sends me the video of him like got the rope on, hits the
56:22
end of that slack, jerks that bull up off his feet and then
56:25
Lopes off with him. He's like, I did feel my saddle
56:28
flex in that one. He says, I thought it was a
56:30
goner. But the next day I get a video
56:33
from another lady that like, there goes your saddle.
56:36
And it was a ranch rodeo for a memorial and the ranch rodeo.
56:39
They have a truck and trailer in the arena.
56:42
And I mean, granted, it was only a half ton truck and A2 horse
56:45
trailer, so it's not a great big one, but they it was too muddy
56:51
and they couldn't get the truck to go into the arena.
56:54
So here's my saddle dallied on and they're pulling a truck and
56:59
trailer. There's three horses, but
57:00
they're pulling this truck and trailer into the arena.
57:03
And. They're like, there goes your
57:04
saddle again. And I'm like, OK, this is not
57:07
what I want to promote, right? But we're definitely strong
57:11
enough to last that kid. And if anybody can out pull that
57:14
kid on his horse, good luck. Yeah, like, I don't want to
57:17
challenge that, but I'm so cool. I'm pretty confident in our rope
57:21
saddles and you know the quality that we're setting out there and
57:26
we're trying not to be like out of market.
57:28
We want everybody to be able to afford them too.
57:31
So can. We grab.
57:33
Oh. They're napping.
57:35
It's OK. But can we grab maybe my sorrel,
57:38
she's the thickest quarter horse out of the out of the two and we
57:42
could try like just explain like what we're looking for when
57:45
we're fitting a. Saddle.
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Absolutely. Heck yeah.
57:48
We can absolutely do that. And I think if we can just
57:52
simplify it and get people to not be overwhelmed, right?
57:56
Go on social media and they're like, oh, you need this song or
57:58
this song. Because it's super even that.
58:00
What's her name? Wendy.
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I feel like she can get super overwhelming because I'll watch
58:05
some of her videos and I'm like. But there's so much really to
58:08
understand, like do you understand the anatomy of the
58:11
horse And you understand this part, this part, this part?
58:13
Like there's we have like I just call some no go zones, right?
58:19
Cartilage on the top of the shoulder blades, it can turn
58:21
into like cauliflower ears. You know, when you see UFUFC
58:24
fighters, that cartilage does that same thing on the top of
58:27
the shoulder blade. So if you've got a gullet that's
58:29
sitting on that, then all of a sudden it gets bigger and bigger
58:32
and the saddle gets tighter and tighter and the horse gets up
58:34
more upset or more sore. And then you start looking at
58:38
other issues that start to crop up, like, you know, the horses
58:42
dropping on the front end, putting a little more weight
58:43
there. People go to the vet thinking
58:45
it's a hawk. They won't get to their hips and
58:47
you know, it's not the Hawks, it's the front end.
58:49
You know, it's so it goes back and forth constantly.
58:52
We can just go like this is an ogo zone.
58:54
This is where you're having issues and I mean try
58:58
everything. I'll help you fit your saddle.
58:59
I'll help you fit anybody else's saddle.
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I've lots of times we've done a saddle nights and I mean your
59:05
saddle fits really good. The only thing I can't see when
59:08
I strap that saddle down is the Withers, right?
59:12
20 years ago, our horses don't look the same, right?
59:16
So we get a lot of thoroughbred influence in our horses, and our
59:18
length of our wither is getting longer and longer across that
59:21
horse's back. But the seat of your saddle
59:23
doesn't come back any later, right?
59:26
So how do we accommodate that horse's anatomy to the saddle
59:31
fit? And you know, we look at the
59:33
difference between men's and women's trees, right?
59:35
Like we want to sit on this part of our pelvis because that's our
59:40
natural. Men sit up a little bit more.
59:43
You know, then I think we kind of make it like overwhelming.
59:47
I mean, like, oh gosh, now I now I got a saddle that I can only
59:49
sell to a woman. Well, possibly.
59:52
But it's comfort for you and your horse at the time it's
59:56
answering that problem. And, you know, saddle fit is
1:00:00
kind of everything to keep your horse going for years and years
1:00:02
and years. Yeah, you know, it, it just, it
1:00:05
does get overwhelming, but. Find your team, find people that
1:00:09
you can trust. I know we get sold all the time
1:00:11
in the horse world, but trust your gut in that fact that it's
1:00:16
a yes or a no. Yeah.
1:00:18
If it doesn't feel 100% better than what you already have, keep
1:00:22
going. Yeah, keep going because there's
1:00:25
going to be. The answer is going to be out
1:00:26
there. You just got to find it and quit
1:00:29
being influenced. So many horse people lose their
1:00:32
confidence. It's easy to do.
1:00:34
It is super easy to do because I know for me, like I feel like I
1:00:38
feel really, really good one week and then the next week I'll
1:00:40
be like. So do I.
1:00:42
Well, this'll I mean. WTF man?
1:00:44
Yeah. It'll definitely humble you.
1:00:45
Oh yeah, I'm telling you, I swear, every time I get out of
1:00:49
the saddle I feel like I'm humbled in some way, shape or
1:00:51
form. Well, and it doesn't it doesn't
1:00:53
matter who you are because I mean I was it was over in a Gila
1:00:56
when I first started down here and I'm trotting up and down the
1:00:59
road and you see Coats Arena. But I don't think it's like I
1:01:02
don't think of it as the Larry codes, right.
1:01:05
Wonderful gentleman. Same thing.
1:01:08
Like there's room for all of us, right.
1:01:10
But I'm like, Oh my God. So now I'm just like a little a
1:01:14
little bug in in the big pond. And here's the saddle maker,
1:01:18
right? Years of experience and here's
1:01:20
me that's Canadian, still not aware of rattlesnakes and stuff
1:01:25
like that, right. And then behind him lives Sue
1:01:29
Smith. I'm like, Oh, my God, like I'm,
1:01:33
I want to be her when I grow up too, right?
1:01:35
Like I, I, your idols are standing down here, being from
1:01:39
up there. And then, you know, you're
1:01:41
jumping into the pond. And then I go to the barrel race
1:01:43
and she's in her too. And I'm like, I'm humbled.
1:01:46
But I'm like, I'm actually not too bad at what I do.
1:01:51
But at the same time, it's like, there's the big duck.
1:01:53
Yeah. And then you're like, I've got,
1:01:55
am I good enough? And then you kind of get that
1:01:56
nerve. And then you just got to settle
1:01:58
back down and go, no, I know what I'm doing.
1:01:59
I didn't get here, didn't get here by accident, Right.
1:02:03
You know, this, this didn't catch my attention by accident.
1:02:07
It's something that you keep, keep going forward, keep going
1:02:12
forward. And then you, you know, you let
1:02:14
your brain stop you from moving to the next step because you're
1:02:19
intimidated or you're humbled or.
1:02:20
Yeah. I mean, we're humbled every day.
1:02:22
Yeah. I mean.
1:02:23
It doesn't matter what it is. Doesn't matter.
1:02:25
We just kind of put more like, I don't know, more ranking on the
1:02:30
the horse industry, like, oh, I'm not as good as that guy.
1:02:32
Yeah. Well, maybe, but maybe you're a
1:02:35
better person. We don't know, right?
1:02:38
Or maybe your kids are better behaved or, you know, we all
1:02:40
have something different. I always try to look at people
1:02:44
that, you know, are low, that we, that I categorize like
1:02:48
higher than me or whatever. Just I always, I always just try
1:02:52
to like look at them like they're just human.
1:02:54
They are, you know, they, they bleed like I bleed.
1:02:56
They, you know, they're, you know what, it's funny, They do
1:02:58
the same stuff I do. So roping saddles, OK, I'm
1:03:05
pretty confident, right? Dun Dun Dun at the NFR, Like I'm
1:03:09
going to be like team ropers are all doing a signing in the same
1:03:11
building that we're in. I'm going to go, OK, we have a
1:03:17
saddle Rep in Canada, David Schmidt, Colton Schmidt's uncle.
1:03:21
Colton is like running for the world.
1:03:22
I'm watching the team rope and I'm like, come on, come on, come
1:03:24
on. All right, Like, broke my heart
1:03:26
in the final round for him, right?
1:03:29
What a classy kid. Like, just luck of the jar or
1:03:33
something happened. I don't know.
1:03:34
I'm not a team Roper, so I can't even analyze his run.
1:03:36
But he was like there to win the world's anyways.
1:03:39
They're having a signing and I'm going through and there's like
1:03:41
all these. I'm like, give me the name of
1:03:44
the number one kid, you know, that's going to cause you grief
1:03:46
in the future. Colton was that.
1:03:49
Colton was the only team Roper of that group of 30 that had a
1:03:53
name right off the top of his head.
1:03:55
And I said, Colton, your grandfather taught me how to
1:03:57
rope. And I mean, granted, I was
1:03:59
young. I was only like 19 or whatever.
1:04:01
And, you know, you put a beer can on top of the dummy in your
1:04:04
rope and you snap the beer can off and you can go for a $5,
1:04:06
like, jackpot kind of thing at the end of the night.
1:04:08
And I'm like, yeah, I'm rocking this right.
1:04:12
But Colton's grandfather taught me how to rope.
1:04:15
The Schmidt family name at home is like a very solid family
1:04:19
name. They've helped so many people.
1:04:20
They've done such good for the roping community, the rodeo
1:04:23
community. And then here's the kid that, I
1:04:26
mean, he, when I was learning to rope, he wasn't even born yet,
1:04:29
right? His parents, well, maybe he was
1:04:30
born, but I mean, those kids all were born with a rope in their
1:04:34
hand. So it's only natural to watch
1:04:36
him. I mean, he doesn't know me from
1:04:37
Adam, but I really want to I, I was like, why am I not your
1:04:41
sponsor? So it's still, I haven't reached
1:04:44
back out to him. You know, great ideas.
1:04:47
I we're just a small company. I can't offer like thousands and
1:04:50
thousands of dollars in sponsorship, but I can order, I
1:04:52
can, I can organize deals and long term stuff.
1:04:54
But, you know, I'm confident that we will be there.
1:04:58
You know. And I, I think we have a decent
1:05:01
product. Like I said, it's not when we're
1:05:03
not no $10,000 saddle by any means.
1:05:06
We're not going to try and break the bank, but we're going to try
1:05:09
and make people comfortable and make them, you know, go damn, I
1:05:12
want this to be your favorite saddle in the trailer.
1:05:14
Like I want this to be your go to saddle, right?
1:05:17
You know, and I've got a lot of girls in Canada that are like,
1:05:19
oh, I just love myself. I can't, you know, one girl
1:05:22
calls it her ass grabber because she doesn't ride like it keeps
1:05:26
you centered, right? I had a horse that bucked on the
1:05:29
way home from third barrel. She was dirty.
1:05:30
She has counterfeit and I'd rode her for like 8 months, never
1:05:34
once bucked. I always kind of laughed because
1:05:35
it's like, well, she doesn't buck when you get in the South.
1:05:37
She's good right until the $20,000 race and then she does.
1:05:41
And I don't, I don't ride a bucking horse.
1:05:43
I bail like a little bitch like I am out.
1:05:46
I find a soft place to land. It's just that when she was
1:05:49
coming home, it was between the 1st and 2nd barrel and then the
1:05:52
timer line and then that alley. By the the time I realized what
1:05:55
was going on, we're in the alley and I'm going to rack my head
1:05:57
off the pipe. So I'm just doing everything I
1:05:59
can and I'm cussing her and whatever.
1:06:01
You're not supposed to swear in the arena, but under the
1:06:03
circumstances, I think it was justified.
1:06:05
My hat's over my face. I can't.
1:06:07
I'm like, I'm like, oh, and I do not ride a buck in horse.
1:06:11
And like, my knees are kind of shaking and I get her stopped
1:06:13
and I'm like, oh, and she's an outside horse and I'm like, I'll
1:06:15
be the last ride. I ride on you, you bitch.
1:06:18
I get off, I pick up my hat and I walk out of the arena.
1:06:21
The only reason I stayed on that horse was because of the saddle
1:06:23
because it kept me in the middle and I didn't.
1:06:26
Feel like I got bopped to one side or pulled forward or
1:06:28
anything like that. So there's the girl that calls
1:06:30
it the ass grabbers. She goes out, we're at an event,
1:06:33
she goes out and tries to saddle and she goes, you know what I
1:06:35
learned? My horse can long trot.
1:06:38
I'm like, no shit, they all can if they're not bothered, right?
1:06:42
So she's like, OK, And she's just I've been trying to get her
1:06:44
to be a Rep for a long time because she just loves her
1:06:46
saddle so much. She's like, Oh, I wouldn't do
1:06:48
you any justice. I'm like, we don't need you to
1:06:49
do justice. We need you to to be able to
1:06:51
educate people. We don't need you to be out
1:06:53
there winning up. You know, don't go winning,
1:06:56
right? You don't need to be winning,
1:06:58
right. If you're winning and you're and
1:06:59
you're an influencer, you're be able to communicate with people.
1:07:02
Great. But anyway, she she gets home
1:07:04
and she goes, I don't ride young horses because I don't I don't
1:07:06
ride the book, right. She goes the new ass grabber.
1:07:11
Done it twice now. Wow.
1:07:13
Look at you go. That's awesome.
1:07:14
So. I just kind of laugh at her and
1:07:16
I'm like, how's your ass, grabber?
1:07:16
And she's like, good. I'm like, do you need another
1:07:18
one yet? Like you're going to be a Rep
1:07:19
yet? Yeah, the finals.
1:07:21
Just name it that. Yeah, I would like have a
1:07:23
special saddle that's named the Ass Grabber.
1:07:25
I would love to, but you know, then also then it gets to
1:07:28
professionalism, you know, all that stuff.
1:07:30
And I'm like, so because this is where we're at and it can be
1:07:35
very candid. So me and the Kiwi kid, we're
1:07:37
always out there like joking and laughing and we're delirious.
1:07:40
Most of the time we're overtired.
1:07:42
That's why everything is funny. But we're like, fuck yeah,
1:07:44
Franco, fuck yeah, Franco. And I'm like, I don't think
1:07:46
Nancy would like that if we decided to hashtag that.
1:07:49
So. And in barrel racing, it's like
1:07:52
if you're not scared, go faster, right?
1:07:54
Like that's where you should be all the time.
1:07:56
Go If you're not scared, going. I love, I love the alleyway
1:07:59
because that's where nothing's gone wrong yet, right?
1:08:01
You just run down the alleyway. That's like the most freeing
1:08:04
moment of the entire barrel Run is like running to 1st.
1:08:07
And I want to be the fastest 1 to the first barrel.
1:08:10
And it's like full scent. Yeah.
1:08:12
So then it ended up being full scent Franco and it was like,
1:08:16
you can I like full send it just full send.
1:08:18
And then my breakaway Roper, same thing, full send it like
1:08:21
part of the full send Franco team.
1:08:23
And then it gets on the truck and then it's like, OK, like we
1:08:25
just need it to catch on. And then you can watch all these
1:08:28
girls that are riding and they hashtag us.
1:08:30
I can see how many are actually out there.
1:08:31
And it's quite rewarding to see what we built from the time it
1:08:35
landed in North America to now, right?
1:08:37
You know, we start small in Canada.
1:08:40
You know, we got to get our shit together before we get to the
1:08:43
States. This is the kahuna of the horse
1:08:45
industry, right? We don't want to come down here
1:08:48
looking like a fool. And I mean, you're still going
1:08:51
to be under that eye yet. We just need people to get a
1:08:54
chance, right? So when you go sit, when I'm
1:08:57
telling you sit, sit, sit in it. And then talk to me about it
1:09:01
because I can preach you anything you want about a
1:09:04
saddle, right until you sit in it.
1:09:07
You're not going to know what I'm feeling, what I'm talking,
1:09:10
any of that. Just get in it, go for a ride in
1:09:13
it. And I think maybe we're the one
1:09:15
of the only companies. I don't know, I haven't really
1:09:17
like compared to see like what all the other saddle companies
1:09:21
are doing. But I'm like, come try the
1:09:23
saddle. I don't know how to wrap a horn
1:09:26
because I'm not a Roper, but I'll take the saddles out and
1:09:30
all the breakaway ropers can make runs in them too.
1:09:32
Go try it before you ever need to purchase one, right?
1:09:37
Try one And we're willing to do that.
1:09:39
I have a stack of demo saddles for barrel saddles.
1:09:41
That's awesome. I have 5 different.
1:09:44
I only have 4 now, 3 breakaway saddles.
1:09:47
You know, like I can sell off some of my demos, but I'd like
1:09:51
to keep enough so that I can still get people in the saddle
1:09:54
and be like, this might not fit your horse, but at least get the
1:09:56
feel of it 'cause like where that saddle puts you, does it
1:10:00
get you up and out where you need to be?
1:10:02
Does it get you down and down and into your pockets?
1:10:04
Like what do you need? And the forces that go like
1:10:08
roping is different forces on the, on the, our bodies and the
1:10:11
horses bodies compared to barrel racing.
1:10:14
And it's all been put together so that if you're going sideways
1:10:18
off a head horse or stopping on a heel horse, that saddle puts
1:10:21
you where you're supposed to be. Yeah.
1:10:24
Especially if it fits you and your horse together.
1:10:27
So we're not trying to be, I'm not trying to do anything but 1%
1:10:31
of the sales in this country. 1%.
1:10:34
I mean, it should be realistic. It should be.
1:10:37
I mean, when there's 9000 teams show up at the, at the roping,
1:10:42
1% is lots. I don't need to, I don't need.
1:10:45
I just want, and I want to share it with everybody.
1:10:47
Like I want to share it with my reps I want, you know, the
1:10:50
reward maybe financially or product wise or whatever, you
1:10:55
know, lots of incentives for our reps Lots of, you know, I want
1:11:01
to cover every part of this province.
1:11:03
I want to get every grill racer from the like I can go down to a
1:11:06
12 inch saddle. So 12 inch to, you know, the
1:11:09
senior, we haven't made a mule saddle yet.
1:11:11
I'd love to try. Oh, that.
1:11:12
'D be cool. That would be cool.
1:11:14
You know, but all your crossbreds and stuff, we can do
1:11:16
that, you know, weird fit and horsey just can't seem to get
1:11:19
comfortable. Give us a try, right, We'll do
1:11:22
it. But our reps, I'll share
1:11:24
everything. I'll share it all.
1:11:26
I don't care. Yeah.
1:11:27
Everybody wins. And then our ambassadors, like I
1:11:30
need ambassadors. I need, I need a kid that's out
1:11:33
there. And I always say kid, 'cause I'm
1:11:34
like, I'm always the underdog. Give me the underdog.
1:11:36
Give me the one that like nobody suspects.
1:11:39
And I want to get in there and have that relationship with them
1:11:43
and then build up and when they get to the NFR we can say.
1:11:46
Like, yeah, I'll be there with. You right, that's really cool
1:11:49
We'll we'll do that. I love I love hearing you talk
1:11:52
about it 'cause I like I could I could like feel your passion.
1:11:55
I could like hear it, you know, and you're not just selling a
1:11:59
product like you, like you believe in it.
1:12:00
Like I believe in it. You're like all in I, so I'm
1:12:03
like I said, a movement girl, right?
1:12:05
So I'm, I'm all trying to prove this patent.
1:12:08
Like I want to be like, it moves the shoulders.
1:12:10
When you free the shoulders of that horse, the stride
1:12:13
increases. If I get, if I get 6 inches
1:12:15
longer stride, that's cool, right?
1:12:18
That's freeing up that horse's movement.
1:12:20
The feet are good, the teeth are good, the saddle's good.
1:12:22
You know, everybody knows what they're doing.
1:12:25
And you can change a horse's stride.
1:12:26
Like from the first year that I rode this little Gray mirror
1:12:28
that I'm running. I measured her stride in the
1:12:31
alleyway coming down the alley. That's my fastest point, right?
1:12:35
I mean, we could probably catch a stride coming home 'cause
1:12:37
she's pretty wide open there too, but she would squirt out
1:12:39
from her saddle literally 'cause she's kind of like trying to
1:12:41
call her a pig. Like her biggest, like where you
1:12:45
put, where you put your cinch, That's the the biggest part of
1:12:48
her body. So when she like, pushes off it,
1:12:50
it goes so hard that the saddle slips back an inch and then it
1:12:54
just gets narrower and narrower. So by the time I get to the
1:12:56
third barrel, I feel like I got Tourettes right because I like
1:12:59
my, my timing is like so off because I get to like the third
1:13:03
and I'm riding a foot further back on her than I should be.
1:13:06
You know, have you ever tried doubling and running barrels?
1:13:08
Like is it being the guy in the back?
1:13:11
Like you can't see it, right? So I'm like, what is wrong with
1:13:14
me? Like my first is great.
1:13:16
My second is quick. And then I get to 3rd and I shut
1:13:18
the bed like every time. But it was my saddle.
1:13:21
My saddle would slide. So again, learning fit and it's
1:13:24
like the pad makes a difference. The cinch makes a difference.
1:13:27
You know, if you got one of those struggles.
1:13:28
So I, I actually thinned out my pad.
1:13:32
I thinned it out because made the saddle fit better, you know,
1:13:36
and then my cinch when I'm running, I have to have a sticky
1:13:42
cinch because she runs with so much force.
1:13:45
But the first year that I measured her angles to the to
1:13:49
the year that I got in this saddle, I opened up her angles
1:13:52
3-4 degrees. Oh wow, 4°.
1:13:55
Now it might not be as much on the ground as I'd like, but put
1:13:58
that into 50 or 60 or 80 strides, right.
1:14:01
I'm I'm and I ride a Midget like she's only 14114 two.
1:14:05
She's quick. Yeah, she's a little girl, but
1:14:08
she's she's got a heck of a stride on her And yeah, when she
1:14:11
stretches right out that saddle, the saddle would just go.
1:14:14
But working with fit and all of that stuff, it's like, OK, try
1:14:18
this, try this, try this, you know, and then you go back to
1:14:20
Wendy, right? Because she's got so much good
1:14:22
information. And it's like, OK, your cinch is
1:14:24
too long, right? You know, that makes a
1:14:26
difference. How does that horse feel?
1:14:28
Like we're definitely there for the movement part of it.
1:14:31
And that's what I'm in the US for, is the movement part of it.
1:14:33
And like 1%, that's all I care. 1%, That's cool.
1:14:37
You'll get there. Yeah, we'll get there.
1:14:38
You'll probably get more than that.
1:14:40
Hey, I'll take anything more than that.
1:14:42
But you know, if I'm going to set a goal for myself and get a
1:14:44
goal for, you know, I want to Rep in every corner of this
1:14:47
country, right? Michigan, Louisiana, I mean,
1:14:50
girl in Idaho, I'll try it. You know, I want all of them at
1:14:54
least try, right? I mean, you just want that
1:14:58
opportunity. I just want the opportunity in
1:14:59
it. I mean, we only had 4 million
1:15:01
people in Alberta and we did a lot.
1:15:04
Yeah, we got 300 million here. Yeah, you got, you got more
1:15:08
horses than we have population. It's yeah, and, and less miles,
1:15:14
but I mean, more coverage. We have more social media now.
1:15:16
We have more, you know, everybody has a story.
1:15:20
Everybody has a story like, you know, we got.
1:15:23
And the ability is like, you know, everybody's got a story.
1:15:25
So you have a bad back. Maybe your saddle's too deep.
1:15:29
Yeah. Right.
1:15:30
Everybody thinks they need that deep seat to keep them secure.
1:15:33
You need the seat pocket to keep you secure, right?
1:15:36
But girls with back injuries drop that saddle down to a
1:15:39
normal the like the the cantle, you know, a Cheyenne roll a
1:15:44
pencil roll, drop that down a little bit and then see how that
1:15:50
makes your back feel. Yeah.
1:15:51
Right. There's so many different things
1:15:54
on a saddle that can create your body to hurt, my body to hurt,
1:15:57
right? You know, that's interesting.
1:15:59
And the difference between a men's and women's trees.
1:16:02
Look at your knees when you sit in that seat.
1:16:04
Oh, I know, right? That's the one thing that I
1:16:06
remembered from sitting and I want to sit in it again and.
1:16:11
I probably leave one for you to play.
1:16:12
On because like it would it, it was insane like sitting in and
1:16:16
then I sat in the in the roping saddle.
1:16:18
You had a men's tree there and I sat and I'm like this is awful.
1:16:21
This is like what I sit in now and I, I went back and sat in
1:16:25
that barrel saddle and where my where my legs just naturally
1:16:29
went incredible. It felt so much better because
1:16:34
even now, like, so I have AI ride in a Sheridan saddle right
1:16:38
now and every time I get in that saddle, I have to like push my
1:16:43
legs forward, like to like where 'cause where I where my legs
1:16:48
were in this saddle versus like where they are in my current
1:16:52
saddle. Oh my God damn.
1:16:54
You know, I get more. Yeah.
1:16:56
And then like, because it is more like the stirrups piece.
1:16:59
Like, yeah, I can start that way, but getting them to stay
1:17:02
there is kind of hard. Yeah, just watch your knees.
1:17:05
Like if you sit in that saddle, if your knees pop out, it's kind
1:17:11
of like in barrels, like you know how you blow off the second
1:17:14
barrel like that? They just won't finish it.
1:17:17
It's probably because two strides before that is where the
1:17:20
problem hit. Like the horse didn't prepare
1:17:22
for the turn, something like that, right?
1:17:23
So then all of a sudden they lost balance and they blow off.
1:17:26
Well, your knees are pointing out, go back 2 steps, go back to
1:17:30
your femur and like your pelvis and your SI joints and see where
1:17:34
that problem is because it's probably there causing it to do
1:17:38
this. So girls that complain about my
1:17:40
knees hurt when I ride so they go get a crooked stirrup.
1:17:43
We'll go back to the tree, go back up.
1:17:46
I was going to say, 'cause that's something.
1:17:47
Like the base, right, 'cause like the, the tree is like the
1:17:50
base of everything between you and the horse.
1:17:53
Exactly the base. It, it's the what connects us,
1:17:56
right? So if you've got like, you can't
1:17:58
put a, you know, square peg in a round hole, right, right.
1:18:01
So sometimes we're just keep doing that over and over again
1:18:03
and 'cause we're, that's, it's normal.
1:18:06
You know, women never rode way back in the day.
1:18:09
Men rode and when women started riding, they rode side saddle
1:18:14
and then we progressed, right. So we have a lot of trees that
1:18:19
have a patent on them for like it's a narrow twist for a woman.
1:18:22
It's this for a woman, it's that for a woman, different options
1:18:24
for a woman, but not from the base, like not from the actual
1:18:29
base. So when you like talk about the
1:18:32
horses are different now than 20 years ago.
1:18:37
Is that kind of where you see Franco saddles is a little bit
1:18:41
different than everybody else? Like you feel like you guys are
1:18:44
kind of we didn't start until 10 years ago.
1:18:47
So so you guys are kind of like, you know, evolving, evolving
1:18:52
more ahead of the game a little bit or I wouldn't say that we're
1:18:55
smarter than anybody or anything like that, not at all.
1:18:57
But what I would say is that I don't care what the horses
1:19:01
change like because we can hand make and custom those trees if
1:19:04
we need to and we make that adjustment for what we're
1:19:08
dealing with now. Like in New Zealand, there isn't
1:19:12
like they're breeding. So when Nancy first started
1:19:14
sending me saddles, she's sending me all these like 7 inch
1:19:17
gullets and full quarter horse bars.
1:19:19
And I'm like, I'm just not getting, I'm just not getting
1:19:22
it. Like I don't, I can't.
1:19:24
She's like, well, you need to sell saddles.
1:19:25
But then she came over and she's like, oh, I get it now because I
1:19:30
got so much thoroughbred influence in her horses, even
1:19:32
though they might be like beefy on the bottom and thick horses,
1:19:35
their Withers aren't, right. So she's now realizing, like my
1:19:41
most common tree is a 6 1/2 quarter horse, this most common
1:19:45
right now to fit a multitude of horses.
1:19:48
So I usually start with that and then go from there to, you know,
1:19:52
see what that looks like, see what that fits like.
1:19:54
But yeah, I know as far as like our evolution of it now we're
1:19:57
just, we're just going with the flow.
1:19:58
We just, you know, we can measure that horse.
1:20:01
We can, we can put a, you know, put the top line in.
1:20:05
So that at the factory they can follow that top line like I've
1:20:07
got some top lines that the Withers just keep going for
1:20:10
days. The the tree itself just has to
1:20:14
accommodate that. Yeah, we can do that if we don't
1:20:17
have something standard, you know, we can go from a six inch
1:20:21
gullet to an 8 inch gullet to, you know, 4242° bars, you know
1:20:26
that angle thing which is like 43 and some and 98.
1:20:29
Now there's I don't know what numbers they got.
1:20:30
They everybody's got their secret numbers.
1:20:32
I mean, and I think it's just to try and get away from that like,
1:20:36
oh, I, I need a 14 inch or I need this or I need that, right?
1:20:39
You know what I mean? Like people get to or if you
1:20:42
give them a number, that's what they focus on, right?
1:20:44
And you can't focus on that. You have to focus on what you're
1:20:47
looking at. So if you're looking at A at a
1:20:51
bar and it goes like wings out when you're, you know, you cinch
1:20:55
the saddle up and all of a sudden your leather's away from
1:20:58
your horse at the bottom. Well, that that's putting that
1:21:00
pressure point all the way down that horse's spine.
1:21:03
So we need to narrow that up and get that saddle to hug that
1:21:07
horse so it can move freely and then get it to fit us at the
1:21:11
same time. So we're not really trying to
1:21:14
change the saddle world at all. Like we still need to have that
1:21:17
same. It's just that we look at our
1:21:18
horses and the breeding and the, you know, we used to have the
1:21:22
foundation quarter horses, the big stocky guys, right, that can
1:21:26
pull Playhouse and you know, all kinds of things.
1:21:29
And then we get the race horses and then we put them together
1:21:32
and then we create genetically like something different,
1:21:35
something different. Look at our dogs, they say.
1:21:37
Let's. Measure like both of the girls
1:21:39
because they're built so differently.
1:21:40
Well, they didn't bring my tool, which is like I got halfway here
1:21:44
and went shit, but I can show you.
1:21:47
Yeah. Just things that you look for.
1:21:49
Heck yeah. Yeah, that'd be so interesting.
1:21:51
So let's take a break really quick.
1:21:53
Look at shoulders, right? These shoulders need to be
1:21:56
moving free, right? The first thing I look for is
1:21:59
the top of her shoulder. Blade.
1:22:00
The hard part, right? Find the Bony part.
1:22:03
So it's right here. So she's actually only got
1:22:06
between her and her with her. She's only got a really narrow
1:22:09
little gullet right in here like she needs.
1:22:11
To be OK. Right then we look down here and
1:22:14
we find the the last rib because these last two ribs are like us
1:22:18
they're floating. So we don't want any pressure
1:22:20
with the tree on these last two ribs.
1:22:22
So we kind of got from here to here and and then we look at the
1:22:25
length of the weather, right. She comes back to here, so we
1:22:28
can't have your seat coming back in too early.
1:22:30
And then we look down here how how much room does she have to
1:22:33
cinch right. So her flat spot is quite.
1:22:37
Some horses are like they got a belly that starts right here,
1:22:39
right? So you don't have this big area
1:22:41
to cinch a horse up to. Yeah, because where should the
1:22:44
cinch? Like realistically, where should
1:22:46
the cinch be? We want the cinch to be
1:22:48
comfortable, so it doesn't OK. Right.
1:22:50
We want we. Want her shoulder to move back
1:22:52
and forth? Free in here.
1:22:54
Right. So then we throw the saddle on
1:22:56
and we see where it kind of sits on her.
1:22:58
I'm looking for the gullet. I want 2 fingers here, right?
1:23:01
So see where this concho is, Look for the conchos.
1:23:05
That's where your hard parts of your tree is.
1:23:08
So if we want, what was the conchos, The conchos that you
1:23:11
can't screw into leather, so you can screw into wood.
1:23:14
So I want to see where my conchos sit next to her shoulder
1:23:18
blade, see how it's like lined right up.
1:23:21
So this gullet is sitting right on her shoulder blade.
1:23:23
So that's where that cartilage in your ears, like you get
1:23:26
cauliflower ears. She's going to have that hair.
1:23:28
So this gullet's too wide for her.
1:23:30
OK. And how do you know how wide
1:23:32
this gullet is? The gullet is the 6 3/4 and then
1:23:36
this is a Quarter Horse bar. OK, so if I was to cinch this
1:23:41
bad boy up, that's the other thing most people like.
1:23:45
Could you just sit? I got no room back here.
1:23:48
So this tree is sitting flat on her back right now, So it's like
1:23:52
pushing on her without even getting in the saddle yet.
1:23:54
Yeah. OK.
1:23:56
And I have an adjustable rigging on these, Right.
1:23:58
So I want this saddle. I know.
1:24:00
And Wendy likes to put her saddles way back.
1:24:02
And I I just don't. I want my.
1:24:04
I want to be in the center of this horse.
1:24:06
Yeah. OK.
1:24:07
So if I take a triangle from here to here, perfect.
1:24:11
Isosceles triangle. This is our middle.
1:24:14
This is where she's going to be balanced.
1:24:15
Not not that's where you're going to be.
1:24:18
Your best balance on your horse is in the center of her.
1:24:21
OK, so this cinch is completely the wrong length and it's just
1:24:24
for demonstration purposes only. So please don't ever ride your
1:24:27
horse with a cinch like this. This length.
1:24:30
I don't care about the cinch part so much, but the but.
1:24:34
What's good is like to see you explain what.
1:24:37
Yeah, and not a good thing, right?
1:24:39
I mean, yeah, this is not a good, this is not a good thing.
1:24:42
It. Looks like, but yeah.
1:24:44
How do you how do you know when it's wrong?
1:24:46
Like the first thing I look for is that saddle actually look
1:24:48
like it's sitting. Like if I was to put this on a
1:24:51
saddle stand, like we look at this one, this is what a saddle
1:24:54
should look like, right? Like, you got your angle up.
1:24:57
You see a lot of saddles when they get on a horse look like
1:24:59
they're sitting down. Your goal, it's too wide at that
1:25:02
point because it's falling down on your horse.
1:25:04
So then you got to pick that up. Yeah.
1:25:07
So the bars might be right. Like this part might be right.
1:25:11
We can't pad the bars. We have to have the right bars
1:25:14
on a horse in order for them to move.
1:25:16
Otherwise you put a pressure point down their back.
1:25:18
But if you get the gullet, pull that gullet in and keep the bars
1:25:22
the same, you might have a better fit, right?
1:25:24
So that's why like the options are endless on our barrel
1:25:28
saddles. We have adjustable riggins OK so
1:25:30
we can use the front or the back so.
1:25:35
Oh, I see. I like that.
1:25:38
So just quick and easy. The only problem with this is
1:25:41
that sometimes it's here and on the other side.
1:25:43
It's on the other side. So now your tree is going to
1:25:45
twist when you go to cinch it up, it's a tree or barrel.
1:25:48
Saddles especially still have a little bit of flex to them,
1:25:50
right? They're like a creaky old wood
1:25:51
chair, like they got to break in.
1:25:53
They still have a little bit of movement.
1:25:55
OK, so I'm happy with it going straight down.
1:25:58
Now you cinch this bad boy up and I don't need to put a whole
1:26:04
bunch of pressure on it. OK?
1:26:07
I just need to. I just need to see how this tree
1:26:10
is going to react when I put some pressure on it.
1:26:13
OK, so I add like 5 lbs. I'm going to put my hand under
1:26:16
this poncho because this is what's going to, it's either
1:26:19
going to pull in on my hand or it's not.
1:26:21
So this isn't terrible. This time we know if our bars
1:26:23
are correct. So put your hand over there.
1:26:25
When I cinch up on that saddle, does it squeeze on your hand or
1:26:28
does it pull away? Do it again.
1:26:31
Kind of pulls away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:26:33
So that's what we want. OK, So when that, if that does
1:26:37
that, we know our bars are probably correct.
1:26:39
So how do we know that we go to the front of that horse and we
1:26:41
look at them straight on. Does that leather?
1:26:45
Does this leather here match the shoulder?
1:26:49
Looks like. It looks pretty good.
1:26:51
Yeah. So we know now that her bars are
1:26:53
like a Quarter Horse bar, OK, Right.
1:26:55
Yeah. So in our world, that's a 40°
1:26:58
bar, but in somebody else's world, it could be a.
1:27:02
Who knows that, right? But it's understanding what
1:27:04
you're looking for as a rider. Does that settle fit like this
1:27:07
Fits. Yeah.
1:27:08
And it doesn't pinch down on her.
1:27:10
But I think your gullet's too wide, because when you go into
1:27:13
force, yeah, it's going to hit on the shoulder.
1:27:16
Blades so this gullet is still. Too wide.
1:27:19
That gullet is too wide. Interesting, and this is a 6IN.
1:27:22
Three quarters 3/4. Holy shit.
1:27:24
But look back here. You're flat on her back.
1:27:27
Yeah, So I don't want that either because now this saddle
1:27:30
is automatically pushing on her. All I know right now is I have
1:27:33
narrowed it down to you need a quarter horse bar.
1:27:35
OK, so now I need to find the gullet because if I can narrow
1:27:39
up that gullet, see, because it's sitting down here, it's
1:27:42
also sitting down here, which is why we have that on her back
1:27:45
right now. Then you get on there and bomb,
1:27:47
bomb. Right, Right.
1:27:49
It can't it can't be perfect all the time.
1:27:51
Yeah, right. So and then I look, how is she
1:27:55
sent? OK, that's on the back.
1:27:58
That's on the back of our rating.
1:28:00
So there's some girls that are like, oh, can I get a saddle
1:28:02
that fits both horses and possibly if they're fairly
1:28:04
close, I can use one on the front, one on the back, right.
1:28:07
And I can use a three quarter inch pad or 1/2 inch pad like I
1:28:09
can move it so that you can use the same saddle on two different
1:28:13
horses. Yeah, but it may not.
1:28:15
So we know that this we, we've got one narrowed down.
1:28:19
Yeah, we, we know we need a, a quarter horse bar like a
1:28:21
standard quarter horse. So then we go to the next saddle
1:28:27
there so it sits a little better.
1:28:29
This is a 6 1/2 and fill. It.
1:28:32
And now we've got a little bit of space right there.
1:28:36
You want that little bit of space up there.
1:28:39
I just got to get rid of all my straps and parts and pieces.
1:28:43
Like this is like real life stuff right?
1:28:44
I'm just going to throw saddles all day long.
1:28:46
Saddles don't look perfect on the stand.
1:28:48
They might have straps. Yes, you have their space back.
1:28:51
There now, and it's not like pressing down on her back.
1:28:54
So this one is a 6 1/2. See where my shoulder like I
1:29:00
still feel that it's too wide in the gullet.
1:29:04
I would go a six and 1/4. On 6 1/4.
1:29:07
Or 6 right? Because what was that other?
1:29:10
1. 6 3/4 OK, so and it's funny because our trees are the same,
1:29:15
but our factories are different. One was made in the old factory.
1:29:18
We have a new factory. We have one because we need to
1:29:21
split up. We have our women's saddles in
1:29:23
one and our men's saddles in another now.
1:29:25
And you know, our tree is what we go by, but how that saddle is
1:29:31
put together, the factories are different, right?
1:29:36
So now we're going to going through consistency with all of
1:29:38
our women's saddles are getting made in the same place.
1:29:41
Now when they put that leather all together, it doesn't change
1:29:45
the tree, but it changes the feel and appearance sometimes,
1:29:48
right? But I don't care as long as
1:29:53
there we go feel that. So when I cinch this girl up,
1:29:57
put your hand under there, how do you feel?
1:30:00
Pulls away, right? Yeah.
1:30:02
It pulls away from you. So that tree opens up.
1:30:05
Those shoulders can go through and you.
1:30:07
Yeah, like the. Yeah, like, like if you put your
1:30:11
hand under here, there's no pressure added to your hand as
1:30:14
you cinch, as you cinch it up. OK, so it's loose now, right?
1:30:21
Now when I cinch it up, feel how it pulls away from your hand.
1:30:23
Just a hair. Yeah.
1:30:25
So that tree opens up. So now those shoulders can move
1:30:27
free underneath here, and that saddle's not going to impinge
1:30:31
them. And you should.
1:30:34
Yeah, it's not supposed to because we don't want to clamp
1:30:38
down on that horse. We want to hug that horse,
1:30:41
Right? And now I've still got my space
1:30:43
back here, right? So that tree is not sitting dead
1:30:47
on her back. Now when she goes to move, she's
1:30:50
got room to move. After she's in a full body
1:30:54
sweat, that whole back should be wet.
1:30:56
Yeah. OK, if we have a big dry patch
1:31:01
again, go back to Wendy's videos, close that horse down.
1:31:04
Is that does that spot dry faster?
1:31:07
That's a hot spot. That's something to keep an eye
1:31:09
on. Right now.
1:31:10
We should have a full wet back again.
1:31:12
I don't really like this, right? I would narrow that up just a
1:31:16
little bit more for her to make sure that how old is she. 15. 15
1:31:22
So the saddle's not meant to fit a horse its entire life, right?
1:31:26
They're very different from the time they're 3 till they're 30.
1:31:29
So then it's like, OK, well, I can't afford $5000.
1:31:33
Every time a horse changes, it's like, OK, cool.
1:31:36
So in Canada, I started, if you're in a Franco, I'll be
1:31:38
loyal to you. You'll be loyal to me.
1:31:40
Your saddle women are famous for gaining 40 lbs, losing 40 lbs.
1:31:44
I gave my horse to my kid. My horse went lame.
1:31:45
I'm changing a different horse. I'd have to buy a new saddle.
1:31:48
Come back to me. I'm we're going to have a used
1:31:50
market as well. So come back to me.
1:31:53
It might not be exactly what you ordered or the custom that you
1:31:56
had before, but I mean, we can make that horse happy and you
1:31:58
happy at the same time. You gain 40 lbs.
1:32:00
It doesn't really matter to me if your saddle's still in really
1:32:02
good condition, somebody else can use that saddle and I can
1:32:06
find one that works for you. So this is where I would try
1:32:09
with her. I'd put a just a nice half inch,
1:32:12
three quarter inch pad underneath her and give her and
1:32:16
see what she feels like. What seat size do you run in a
1:32:19
1515? OK, so this one is a 14.
1:32:22
So what's going to happen is that's going to pull you forward
1:32:24
when you go to stop. I just want you to feel her
1:32:27
movement in it, even though you might be kind of buffing forward
1:32:30
just a little bit. But yeah, that's OK.
1:32:32
That's going to be, that'll be the saddle that I would put on
1:32:35
her for now. And I would and I would again
1:32:39
try to narrow up that gullet to make sure that she's
1:32:41
comfortable. Yeah, because it'll notice it in
1:32:43
the stop. She'll either push back into
1:32:45
that saddle or she will not. OK, hey, so far.
1:32:49
Yeah. So that's where I would start
1:32:51
with her. We appreciate you coming out and
1:32:53
doing all of this with us. I appreciate it.
1:32:55
I'm pretty pumped. Are you good?
1:32:57
Are you pumped? Yeah.
1:32:59
Do you want to say? Yeah, I'm pumped.
1:33:00
I'm great. Say thank you too.
1:33:01
Thank you. You friends, everyone's gonna be
1:33:09
friends, and plus, you better ride like you ride.