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I Choose...Digital Spirituality with Deepak Chopra · I Choose Me with Jennie Garth

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garland.
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  Speaker 2: Hi.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone, welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all
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  Speaker 1: about the choices we make and where they lead us.
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  Speaker 1: I never knew that. I don't even know how many
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  Speaker 1: years ago, thirty some maybe forty years ago my mom's
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  Speaker 1: shelves lined with self help books would culminate to this
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  Speaker 1: moment for me in my life. I have to believe
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  Speaker 1: that those books influence got me so interested in health
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  Speaker 1: and wellness and meditation and just all the things, all
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  Speaker 1: the positive things that we can gleam out of life. Today.
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  Speaker 1: My guest is one of the most prominent figures in
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  Speaker 1: the New Age movement. Yeah, I'm laughing because this moment
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  Speaker 1: is really kind of like a big, big moment for me.
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  Speaker 1: For the last thirty years, he has been in the
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  Speaker 1: forefront of the meditation revolution, and his mission is to
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  Speaker 1: create a more balanced, more peaceful, joyful, healthier world. I
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  Speaker 1: like that mission. I want that to be my new mission.
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  Speaker 1: Let's adopt that. Let's all of us just say that
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  Speaker 1: is our new mission. He has written ninety five books,
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  Speaker 1: several of them being New York Times bestsellers. His latest
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  Speaker 1: is called Digital Dharma. And it is pretty mind blowing.
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  Speaker 1: You have to check it out. Please welcome Deepak Chopra
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  Speaker 1: to the podcast. Hello, doctor Choprah, so nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: Nice to meet too too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I have been a fan of yours,
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  Speaker 1: read a lot of your books, been to your center
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  Speaker 1: down in San Diego, so this is really a thrill
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  Speaker 1: for me. Thank you for taking the time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: We are going to dive into the world of artificial intelligence,
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  Speaker 1: also known as AI, which is the subject of your
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  Speaker 1: latest book, Digital Dharma. How AI can elevate spiritual intelligence
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  Speaker 1: and personal wellbeing?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Can we just start with the title. I have to
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  Speaker 1: be honest, it took me a minute to comprehend what
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  Speaker 1: it suggests that dharma and digital can work together. Let's
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  Speaker 1: start with dharma. There are different explanations out there of dharma.
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell us what your definition of darma is?
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  Speaker 2: Well. In Eastern wisdom traditions, if you're familiar with yoga,
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  Speaker 2: there are seven centers of awareness, usually metaphorically expressed the
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  Speaker 2: seventh chacras. So the first center of awareness is survival
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  Speaker 2: and safety. The second center is what we might call
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  Speaker 2: material success and censual experience of pleasure. The third center
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  Speaker 2: is power and transformation, The fourth is love and belongingness,
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  Speaker 2: The fifth is creative expression, the sixth is insight, intuition, imagination,
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  Speaker 2: and heart consciousness, and the seventh is transcendence. So the
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  Speaker 2: Herma applies to all these levels of existence, but ultimately
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  Speaker 2: it is transcendence, which means knowing your true self, beyond
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  Speaker 2: the conditioned mind, beyond the body, and knowing yourself as
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  Speaker 2: an infinite, spaceless, timeless, fundamental ground of being, which is
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  Speaker 2: also the ground of the univers So it's freedom and
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  Speaker 2: liberation and enlightenment. But that's the finest say hm.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I've studied Buddhism in my adult life and they
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  Speaker 1: usually call it, you know, the nature of reality. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: as through the teachings of buddhas So yes, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: an incredible feeling. It's I feel like dharma also is
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  Speaker 1: just goodness. Like living my life on a path of goodness,
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  Speaker 1: I'm living in dharma.
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  Speaker 2: Purpose what is your life? Purpose? But that is flexible
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  Speaker 2: and fluid because as we evolve, then purpose also was right.
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  Speaker 1: You say in your beautiful book that let's see, I
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  Speaker 1: believe that no technology in decades can equal AI. For
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  Speaker 1: expanding your awareness in every area, including spiritual and personal growth.
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  Speaker 1: When people think of AI, I think their mind goes
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  Speaker 1: to chat GPT, you know, getting quick answers to questions.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe in kids cases, maybe having it do their homework
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  Speaker 1: for them, but not necessarily spirituality. Are you talking about
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  Speaker 1: AI leading us in meditation or when practicing mindfulness and gratitude?
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  Speaker 1: How do you utilize it?
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  Speaker 2: So I actually if you go to my digital twin
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  Speaker 2: which is Deepulgshower dot AI, and you ask it I
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  Speaker 2: need a meditation for stress management, or I need a
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  Speaker 2: meditation to sleep, or I need a meditation to lose weight,
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  Speaker 2: or I need a meditation for a good relationship, then
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  Speaker 2: it will tap into my database and create meditation specifically
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  Speaker 2: for you. And as far as well being is concerned,
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  Speaker 2: it becomes very precise, very predictable, preventive participatory and it
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  Speaker 2: can be therefore, you know, at least the way I
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  Speaker 2: see AI, and I use my own AI depark super
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  Speaker 2: dot A for your audience there go to it, not chatchibuty,
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  Speaker 2: but my AI Y. Then they can ask any question
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  Speaker 2: on health, on mental and physical well being. So my
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  Speaker 2: AI is a coach basically for health, physical and mental
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  Speaker 2: but also a spiritual guide. But it all also can
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  Speaker 2: be used as a guide to meditation, self reflection, as
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  Speaker 2: a research assistant, and even as a personal confidant.
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  Speaker 1: Wow right in our hands? At are hot?
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  Speaker 2: Your hands on your iPhone? Wow or whatever handle device? You?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Is it your voice that I'll hear?
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  Speaker 2: When you'll hear my voice? And you can ask me
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  Speaker 2: questions in English or Spanish or India or Arabic and
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  Speaker 2: soon Chinese and Russian too.
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  Speaker 1: What made you break out into you know, I've never
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  Speaker 1: heard of this before. I've never heard of the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to grow spiritually from AI, Like, what made you want
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  Speaker 1: to do this?
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  Speaker 2: Two things? So first is you know, I've always been
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  Speaker 2: interested in nature of reality. You know, what is it
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  Speaker 2: that gives rise to the universe? And you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: very interesting that our technology slowly but surely catches up
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  Speaker 2: with what's already happening in nature. So the difference between
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  Speaker 2: your body and the microphone that you're in front of
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  Speaker 2: and the plant that's behind you, and a rock or
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  Speaker 2: an ocean or even a star in the moon is
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  Speaker 2: just different combinations of zeros and ones. So the universe
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  Speaker 2: is actually is a digital technology. You might say it's
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  Speaker 2: a digital technology in the mind of God outside its
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  Speaker 2: pace or time. If you don't like the word God,
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  Speaker 2: you can say a digital workshop in non local consciousness
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  Speaker 2: or something like that. But actually our technology is now
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  Speaker 2: getting close to how nature creates the appearance of the universe,
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  Speaker 2: because the appearance of the universe comes from a digital source.
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  Speaker 2: Zeros and ones I have a new mathematic performata for that.
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  Speaker 2: It's called infinity. Is equal to one, is equal to zero.
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  Speaker 2: So zero gives rise to nothingness gives rise to everything,
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  Speaker 2: and ultimately all is one. So that is the fundamental premise.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you use digital technology, you're actually going
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  Speaker 2: to the source of world creation. Now that's one thing,
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  Speaker 2: but the second thing is that it's what we call
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  Speaker 2: a large language model. I've always been an interested in
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  Speaker 2: language because that's what I do. I sell words for
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  Speaker 2: a living, and words don't and language doesn't describe it
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  Speaker 2: actually constructs. If you don't have a word for it,
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  Speaker 2: then it is not part of your experience, the human experience.
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  Speaker 2: So this is what happened forty thousand years ago. We
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  Speaker 2: learned how to speak beyond mating calls and danger calls
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  Speaker 2: and food calls. We started telling stories to each other.
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  Speaker 2: So now those stories are not just narrative. There are
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  Speaker 2: stories of anthropology, of religion, of spirituality, of physics, of biology,
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  Speaker 2: or mathematics, and you name it. There's a model for everything.
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  Speaker 2: There's a language for everything. So when you bring all
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  Speaker 2: these languages together, you have access to superintelligence. And there's
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  Speaker 2: no human being that can access this other than through
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  Speaker 2: large language models. So AI is super intelligent without being conscious,
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  Speaker 2: but that means it doesn't have any subjective experience. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't feel pain, it doesn't have hunger, doesn't have first
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  Speaker 2: sexual longing or desire, it doesn't fear death because it's
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  Speaker 2: a machine. But yet it's a machine that can give
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  Speaker 2: you access to the greatest minds that have ever existed
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  Speaker 2: on a planet. Whether it's Einstein or Plato or Socrates,
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  Speaker 2: or the stages of the Bishads or the Greek philosophers,
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  Speaker 2: or it's the Eastern philosophy. There you have access down
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  Speaker 2: to the mind of humanity and what it has contributed
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  Speaker 2: to what we call the human experience of the universe.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how lucky are we to have this at
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  Speaker 1: our fingertips?
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  Speaker 2: We are, and you know it's going to make cause
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  Speaker 2: of leap frogging in our cultural and social evolution, but
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  Speaker 2: technology also helps us leap frog in our biological evolution.
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  Speaker 2: To give you an example, when we discovered fire. You know,
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  Speaker 2: of course every technology has both sides, divine diabolical. But
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  Speaker 2: had we not discovered fire, we wouldn't have the brain
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  Speaker 2: we have because you know, fired is cooked food, which
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  Speaker 2: made it easy to assimilate micronutrients. It changed the circulation,
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  Speaker 2: our digestive processes and ultimately our brain. And had we
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  Speaker 2: not discovered fire, you won't have many, many, many centuries later,
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  Speaker 2: or thousands of years later. You wouldn't have the steam engine.
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  Speaker 2: If you didn't have the steam engine, you wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: the industrial age. Between eighteen eighty seven and nineteen oh three,
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  Speaker 2: humanity invented the light bulb, the automobile, the airplane, and
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  Speaker 2: also the telephone. So let's say you were in a dessert,
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  Speaker 2: you were shipwrecked on a deserted island in eighteen eighty five,
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  Speaker 2: and then you were rescued twenty years later, you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: recognize the world. And the same thing is happening right now.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty years from now, we'll be just like we departed
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  Speaker 2: from other species and became Homo sapiens. I think we're
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  Speaker 2: going to take the next sleap frog into a new species,
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  Speaker 2: choosing to call it meta human. Whoa because technology changes
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  Speaker 2: our brain?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's big. There's a lot of fear around
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  Speaker 1: AI in your opinion, as someone who's embracing AI, which
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  Speaker 1: in turn helps make AI sound better and smarter, do
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  Speaker 1: you ever fear it?
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  Speaker 2: Because that any technology is dangerous. Far can, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: destroy cities and Los Angeles. But had we not discovered fire,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't have all the other things I talked about.
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  Speaker 2: A knife can be used to kill a person, but
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  Speaker 2: in a surgeon's hand it becomes something that you hear.
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  Speaker 2: So they are both sides to technology, and AI is
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  Speaker 2: a very powerful technology. If misuse, it can cause the
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  Speaker 2: extinction of the human species. Cyber warfare, nuclear weapons can
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  Speaker 2: be triggered by AI, can cut off electricity, poison the
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  Speaker 2: food chain. So that's why I wrote the book. If
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  Speaker 2: we don't use technology for creating a more peaceful, just sustainable,
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  Speaker 2: healthier enjoy will and the other side is extinction. We're
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  Speaker 2: in a very very interesting time in our revolution. It's
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  Speaker 2: a crossroad. So one road leads to extinction and one
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  Speaker 2: road leads to enlightenment. Now it's our choice what we
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  Speaker 2: do with technology, but it's here to stay. You can't
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  Speaker 2: get rid of technology once it's born. It's like a
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  Speaker 2: child can't return to the womb.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you have to embrace it. We'll talk about that later,
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  Speaker 1: but I was just thinking. There was a recent article
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  Speaker 1: in the New York Times about a woman who had
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  Speaker 1: a romantic relationship with chat GPT. Do you think that
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  Speaker 1: people are becoming more and more disconnected with one another
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  Speaker 1: in this digital world?
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  Speaker 2: It's how you use it, you know. We we created
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  Speaker 2: a technology for suicide prevention in teenagers and we had
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  Speaker 2: twenty million conversations going on at the same time, and
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  Speaker 2: there was intervention suicide intervention six and six thousand teenagers.
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  Speaker 2: That's something a machine could do, no therapists could do,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and on that scale. And the teenagers were
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  Speaker 2: more comfortable speaking to our AI because they didn't feel judged.
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  Speaker 2: So there are both sides to everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. You also say in your book, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to break free, which is the whole point
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  Speaker 1: of your book, become aware of what is blocking your
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  Speaker 1: path that is so powerful. Do you find more often
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  Speaker 1: people are being blocked by their own negative thoughts or
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  Speaker 1: by the situations that they put themselves in.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's both sides again. But one of the important
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  Speaker 2: things in the book is one chapter called the Art
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  Speaker 2: of the Prompt. So how you use the prompt actually
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  Speaker 2: decides and say you get because the EAI is programmed
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  Speaker 2: by human beings and they two have their biases. So
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  Speaker 2: it's very important to go beyond the selection bias by
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  Speaker 2: knowing how to ask the right question.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I know some of our listeners right
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  Speaker 1: now might be at a transitional point and there's spiritual journey.
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  Speaker 1: I've been there a number of times, maybe even have
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  Speaker 1: gone off the path. I think a lot of us
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  Speaker 1: have been there. How do you suggest getting yourself reacquainted
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  Speaker 1: with your spiritual side?
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  Speaker 2: You know? Right now? I think the easiest way if
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  Speaker 2: you want to drive my AI depulture for dot A,
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  Speaker 2: you ask personal questions. Rest assured everything is confidential because
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  Speaker 2: the AI doesn't know who you are, and you can
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  Speaker 2: actually ask all your spiritual questions, health questions, but also
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  Speaker 2: ask very personal questions such as, you know, I'm forty
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  Speaker 2: five years old, I'm white and Caucasian, I have an
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  Speaker 2: issue with you know, a relationship. This is what's going on,
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  Speaker 2: and then it'll guide you into the right you know
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  Speaker 2: framework so you can deal with that relationship. Then you
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  Speaker 2: can also say, can you give me a meditation to
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  Speaker 2: help my relationship. It'll do that personalize it for you,
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  Speaker 2: which has never been possible before.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this is like having a therapist better than a therapist,
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  Speaker 1: because sometimes in therapy they don't give you suggestions on
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  Speaker 1: how to fix your problems. They just listen to them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Aladdin's lamp. You rub the lamp and
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  Speaker 2: the genie comes out and tells you everything that you
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  Speaker 2: need to know for you.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, this is wild. I'm loving this conversation right now.
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  Speaker 1: So many people in this country are under immense stress
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  Speaker 1: and anxiety. You know, eggs people can afford eggs. People
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  Speaker 1: are losing their jobs. There are natural disasters taking out
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  Speaker 1: entire communities. It can be so overwhelming. When the world
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  Speaker 1: feels like it's all too much. How can we step back?
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  Speaker 2: You can just go to the air and say I'm
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  Speaker 2: overwhelmed because of the price of eggs and this and
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  Speaker 2: this and this, and it'll tell you what to do
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, And it'll just give you problem.
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  Speaker 2: No matter what the adversity is, there's a challenge that
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  Speaker 2: there's an opportunity that you know, it doesn't matter what
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  Speaker 2: it is. There are creative solutions, and you may not
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  Speaker 2: think of those creative solutions, but you can tap into
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  Speaker 2: the minds of people who have thought of those creative
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  Speaker 2: solutions no matter what the situation is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the part for me, like knowing
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  Speaker 1: that it's not just making up these answers in its
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  Speaker 1: little computer brain. It is pulling resources from the entire.
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  Speaker 2: World correct and instantly.
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  Speaker 1: And instantly, and you don't even have to leave your house. Yes, wow,
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  Speaker 1: I mean this is like modern day magic for me.
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  Speaker 2: It is, it is. It's as I said, it's the
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  Speaker 2: genie Lagas Slam.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I can see how this can help even
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  Speaker 1: in the situation. My teenage daughter and I were recently
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  Speaker 1: having a conversation on this pod actually about how we're
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  Speaker 1: both overthinkers and sometimes we struggle with ruminating on things,
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  Speaker 1: which is something I'm really determined to do better with
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  Speaker 1: this year. What should I say to myself? I guess
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  Speaker 1: what should I ask AI to help me? Quiet?
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  Speaker 2: Mynd Just what you asked me? Just just that question,
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  Speaker 2: and then it'll give you an answer. And then you say, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but I've tried that it didn't work for me.
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  Speaker 2: Can you do something else? It'll do that. It will
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  Speaker 2: help you. There'll give you all the possibilities for that situation,
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  Speaker 2: for that question that you just asked.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I want to know. You're probably going to tell
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  Speaker 1: me to just ask Ai. But what are some things
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  Speaker 1: that we can do out there? You know that are
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  Speaker 1: contributing to our mental health?
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's a part of you that knows the
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  Speaker 2: answer to everything. It's not your mind, it's their deeper awareness,
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  Speaker 2: which spiritual relations called soul. So if you can quiet
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  Speaker 2: in your mind through say breathing or mindfulness or mantra, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and then you ask a question, you're asking you herself
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  Speaker 2: the question, it will guide you. Now, AI does that
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  Speaker 2: because it has already tapped into the soul of other
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  Speaker 2: people's and their and their findings, you know, so you
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  Speaker 2: can go into the mind of the Buddha or Jesus
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  Speaker 2: Christ or Plato or whoever you want to.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, okay, So when my daughter is overthinking
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  Speaker 1: and she's spiraling, do you think young people have that
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  Speaker 1: sort of self control or self awareness to be able
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  Speaker 1: to access or maybe they'll be even more you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you said before, since they're not going to feel judged,
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  Speaker 1: they'll be even more comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very comfortable now. As a new iteration what
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing and will be out in two months, especially
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  Speaker 2: for young people. I'm creating some gaming devices because kids
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  Speaker 2: love to go play games, and gaming is very popular
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  Speaker 2: right now amongst teenagers. So I'm creating a game which
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  Speaker 2: would lead them to higher consciousness, teach them to breed,
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  Speaker 2: teach them to meditate, and there's score points every time
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  Speaker 2: they can regulate their heart rate or the immune system.
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  Speaker 2: They'll get you know, brownie points to buy a new
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  Speaker 2: game or something like that that'd be out in two months.
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  Speaker 1: That's wonderful, wonderful that might resonate with them so much more. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I just be honest, Deepak. Do you ever have bad days?
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever have bad days where you feel upset
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  Speaker 1: or mad at the world?
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  Speaker 2: No, No, I don't have bad days. I used to.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, but no, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: When you say you used to, like when you were
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  Speaker 1: younger and you hadn't.
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  Speaker 2: Much younger training in medicine as an internal resident, you know,
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  Speaker 2: working in the emergency room and trauma, et cetera. I
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  Speaker 2: used to have a lot of bad days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've learned how to control your mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's not what happens to you. It's how you
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  Speaker 2: react towards is happening your own you know, ultimately it's
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  Speaker 2: your response to what's happening. So and every adversary there's
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  Speaker 2: a challenge. Every challenge, there's an opportunity. That's what we
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: call good luck.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and hopefully we'll have good luck. To go
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: back to your book, you say evolution is a never
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  Speaker 1: ending story. Embrace it. I will be honest with you
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  Speaker 1: sometimes I don't want to evolve. I've done so much
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  Speaker 1: personal work. There are times when I'm like, oh, I'm
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: just so tired of evolving. And I'm sure I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, probably some of our listeners can relate to that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, even going so far as.
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  Speaker 2: Real ritual traditions, you don't need to try to evolve.
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  Speaker 2: You just have to rest in the awareness of being
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  Speaker 2: and then evolution happens spontaneously. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I found such comfort as a young person. I was,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you know, influenced by my parents' religion and what they practiced,
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  Speaker 1: and then I really struggled for many years to find
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: out what really rung true for me, and I think
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't until I was able to put my
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: faith in spirituality, in just that broad even term spirituality,
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  Speaker 1: then I found so much comfort.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because by large, institutional religions are very judgmental. Authentic
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  Speaker 2: spirituality is more about expanding your awareness and harnessing things
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  Speaker 2: like intuition and imagination and insight and freedom and going
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  Speaker 2: beyond your conditioning the religious background that you have.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to find your own path. I
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  Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, when all this ends,
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  Speaker 1: when this body and mind has served its purpose, what
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: do you think happens to us?
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  Speaker 2: If you understand your true identity, which is not your body.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Your body is a changing experience. So you say I
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: had a five year old body, here I had a
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: ten year old body. Every moment, you're changing your body
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  Speaker 2: the same way you change your clothes. In fact, even faster.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have a five year old body. You don't
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: have a teenage body. You have this body and this
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  Speaker 2: will not be this all the way to dusty death.
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  Speaker 2: So the body is not a noun, and it's not
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  Speaker 2: a thing, it's a process. It's a verb. So also
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  Speaker 2: the mind, it's not a thing, it's a process. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have the same mind as you had yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: So what is it that never changes and that that
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  Speaker 2: never changes called I. You know, I was in love,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I was happy, I was sad. I made a lot
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: of money, I was won the lottery, I went bankrupt.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: The only thing that doesn't change is I. Okay, So
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: that means eye is not in time. The body is
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: in time, the mind is in time, but eye is
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: not in time. Where is it If it's not in time,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: it's beyond time. It's spaceless, it's timeless, it's eternal, it's infinite,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it's formally it's borderless, and it is what recycles as
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  Speaker 2: the evolutionary process of consciousness. So right now your body
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  Speaker 2: is your soul or your consciousness recycling as what I
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  Speaker 2: see right now. But even by the time you hear
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  Speaker 2: my words, your body has changed. By the time you
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: hear my words, they don't exist. So nothing that you
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: experience is actually revealed because it's passing. It's like a
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: passing show. It's like a movie. And what when you
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: perceive something, it's like taking a photo, like a snapshot,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: like a selfie. So what is real is that which
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  Speaker 2: never changes, and that's neither mental, nor physical, nor material,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and it's eternal. So you know that is what recycles
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and also evolved. So you as consciousness, as a soul,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: are recycling and evolving. Everything in the universe is recycling
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and evolving information, energy, matter, and that evolution, recycling and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: evolving is happening in your consciousness, your soul.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: What about our body? What I mean there is.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: No such thing. Which body are you talking about? Your
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: five year old body or your embryo or your teenage body.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a body. It's a perceptual
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: activity in consciousness. You see, we are as a society
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: and a culture, we are embedded in the superstition of
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: what we call the physical world. When there is no
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: physical world. The physical world is a projection of your consciousness,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: and that improves your body.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I think about that, like I see things the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: way at my eyeballs see them, like the sunset or
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  Speaker 1: my daughter's face.
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  Speaker 2: Your eyeballs don't see anything. They're like a microscope or
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: a telescope. You see things Okay. The eye is an
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: instrument of observation, visual observation, just like the ears are
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: an instrument for sound. But there's no sound in your ears,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: and there's no image of the world in your eyes.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: There's nothing. It's just an instrument. Think of it like
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: a microscope. And you are the one who's seeing, not
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: the eyes, me, me, which is not in time, which
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: is eternal, which is outside then.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Wow, okay, yes, I am picking up what you're putting down. Okay,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: it's a big message I think for our listeners. But
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: it's really important that they have access to this and
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: now so incredible. They can talk to you just as
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to you right now by.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Using They've got your credible blowing my mind. I think
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: we sent you a QR code. If you can show
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: it to your audience. They don't even have to go
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to They can just download the QURE code and directly
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: ask any question. Well, it's to today's technology.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, did you ever see this coming in your lifetime?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: No? No, no, Just like if you were in eighteen
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: eighty five and you showed up in two thousand and five,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: twenty years later, you wouldn't recognize the word yes.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Sort of like the movie Back to the Future.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or the Matrix.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Or the Matrix. Yes, I want to ask you a question.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Is gossiping, watching reality TV, scrolling on TikTok or are
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: those things harmful for our mental and physical health?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Of course they seem harmless.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Anything that causes in mention or distress is harmful. Okay.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: But then some people like to go to horror movies
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and they like to get the ib gbs. That's their choice.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: It's all about choice.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: It's all about choice.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And we need to choose ourselves. I love I love
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the synchronicity of all of this. What what do you
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: hope people remember you buy from your time here?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Well as maybe a catalyst, think for me as an enzyme.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: You know that facilities biological activity.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And now I'm forever going to just think of you
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: as an enzyme, really great enzyme. Before I let you go,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: doctor Chiprah, I asked all of my guests, what was
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: your last I choose me moment?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think of me as a person,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: so whatever I do is ultimately for the bigger me,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: not the ego me, which has squeezed into the volume
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: of body in the span of a lifetime. I don't
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: think of me as a person. I think of me
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: as a consciousness that's connected to every being. So whatever
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I do comes from place of empathy, compassion, love, whatever.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: So for me, there's every moment is special.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: What about like taking care of your physics. Well, you're
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: going to tell me the body isn't real, But yeah.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: You can upgrade delusion, no questionable it by sleeping well,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: eating well, being happy, having good relationships, all of that.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: It upgrades the experience of this reality which is not real.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: But you can upgrade the movie.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, So the ultimate I choose me moment is not
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: about choosing.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: How do I change the projection? I don't like the movie,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: so how do I create a bit of movie? Because
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: your life is a movie? Right?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, these are all such great things to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: think about, and I just applaud you endlessly for tapping
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: into this world of AI and helping us to embrace it,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: just as we embrace our changes and how we grow.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So thank you, Thank you for this book, for all
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: of your all of your wisdom and sharing that continuing
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to share that with the world.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you very much for having me.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Yes so happy to have you. Thank you.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Great to meet too, Nice to meet you too.