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Patriots Unfiltered 9/19: Dolphins Takeaways and Getting Back on Track · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium, and we're kind of wallowing in our
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  Speaker 1: misery after losing to the Dolphins. Ugh, but we're getting
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  Speaker 1: ready for the Jets. We can't lose to them, right right?
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  Speaker 1: Has this become a must win game?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Three week three?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like.
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  Speaker 8: That in the standings, And just like mentally, I think you,
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  Speaker 8: I don't think you could handle this being the first
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  Speaker 8: time in fourteen wins that you break the streak against
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  Speaker 8: the Jets.
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  Speaker 4: On this one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Aaron Rodgers, you know.
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  Speaker 4: It's still gonna be tough.
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  Speaker 1: Though. Listen, there's no penciling in this win. You know
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  Speaker 1: that's a legitimate defense and we're an offense in the making.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a good way to put it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a nice way to put it.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I might be down to Indianapolis for penciled in wins.
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  Speaker 4: Yea, and that could change.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they looked. Okay, although did Richardson get hurt?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, concussion? Okay, well he was evaluated for concussion.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know if he actually had one, but yeah,
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  Speaker 9: so it's that's that's the only one I had, like
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  Speaker 9: New Orleans and Washington both too, and now.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's Tamara, Evan, Paul, myself, Matt and Nabooth and uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning with Sunday's.
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  Speaker 4: Game and on the seventh day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we had the post game show. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure a lot of people listening and watching now we're
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  Speaker 1: listening and watching back then. But you know, if you
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  Speaker 1: want to relive your takes or amend your takes, well
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit more clarity. I don't know clarity for yourself.
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  Speaker 8: But you know, part of it is just, you know,
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  Speaker 8: getting a lot of negative Patriots energy out there right now.
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  Speaker 8: I had to do the mail bag this week, which
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  Speaker 8: was an adventure in getting angry emails about you know,
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  Speaker 8: all the things that could be done this offseason. But
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  Speaker 8: I think for me, I think it's just offensively. I
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  Speaker 8: think they got to get the offensive line right, you know.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I just I don't want to spend all
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  Speaker 8: my time talking about they got to fire the coach,
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  Speaker 8: they got to get a new quarterback, they have to
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  Speaker 8: get a weapon, like you know, all those things that
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  Speaker 8: just aren't gonna happen in the next fifteen weeks. The
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  Speaker 8: real things that are going to happen, or that they
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  Speaker 8: have to get their offensive line in order, they have
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  Speaker 8: to find a running game, and you know, I think
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  Speaker 8: all the other problems we can kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 8: put a pin in. We'll talk about in the off
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  Speaker 8: season about receivers and quarterbacks and coaches.
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  Speaker 4: And all those things.
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  Speaker 8: But I think the team is pretty much set, and
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  Speaker 8: they have to get Trump Brown back, and then they
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  Speaker 8: have to figure out the right tackle spot, and they
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  Speaker 8: got to get the three guys in the middle playing
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  Speaker 8: up to their standard, and then we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 4: You know. That's where I'm at right now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Evan's crew does a really good job after
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  Speaker 1: the game of getting that all twenty two and highlighting
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  Speaker 1: things and the things that I saw after the game.
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  Speaker 1: You know that people posted that we were seeing early
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  Speaker 1: last year on the old line. Is guys just not
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  Speaker 1: blocking anywhere, like and it's a communication thing, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I just we saw Cole Strange. I saw one
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  Speaker 1: with Cole Strange who didn't have anyone to block, and
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  Speaker 1: then another I forget who it was. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it might have been on Onnu, I'm not sure, but
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  Speaker 1: running out and just no one to block. And meanwhile
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  Speaker 1: Mac is getting sacked because a safety came in right
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  Speaker 1: up the middle, you know. So it's it's a commune,
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  Speaker 1: I don't I think physically. I think our guys are
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  Speaker 1: fine on the line. It's just communication and not knowing
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  Speaker 1: what to do. And I wonder, like kind of job
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  Speaker 1: is Adrian Clem doing right now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't get Vederian Lowe out of there.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, it's just he's not good like
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  Speaker 8: he's not he's not a legitimate NFL left tackle.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that that colors some of it.
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  Speaker 8: But I think all the guys in the middle they
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  Speaker 8: have some responsibility too. It's not just the two new
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  Speaker 8: guys on the edges. Although those two tackles I think
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  Speaker 8: are are probably their biggest issues right now.
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  Speaker 10: I also don't think that you can fully like blame
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  Speaker 10: it on Adrian Clem either, because it's like he hasn't
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  Speaker 10: even had all the pieces.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not blaming, I'm just wondering. I'm sure it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of when the guy when your guard is just
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  Speaker 1: running around with no one to block. That's to me,
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  Speaker 1: that's communication. That's like not knowing somebody didn't call it.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's Mac not calling out the blocking assignments correctly,
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  Speaker 1: or you're not hearing it right or whatever, but that
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  Speaker 1: you know that's there's something wrong there.
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  Speaker 10: I would have to imagine too that it's even just
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  Speaker 10: hard to find a rhythm in communication when you have
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  Speaker 10: a different group out there every single time and you
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  Speaker 10: don't know who's healthy. True, you don't know like who
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  Speaker 10: you're going to be playing with, Like it's not cohesive
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  Speaker 10: when you have different guys out there every week.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it is one of those communication things. Fred.
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  Speaker 9: I think you have it because really, if you look
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  Speaker 9: at it, what they played with on Sunday is basically
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  Speaker 9: four out of five guys that most people would say
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  Speaker 9: that's what you're going to have, you know, you put
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  Speaker 9: Trent Brownett left tackle, and that I mean, that's it.
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  Speaker 9: Most people felt like for now, either that or Anderson
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  Speaker 9: swapped out for Riley Reef. That's what the plan was
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  Speaker 9: going in. So I do think it's more of a
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  Speaker 9: communication issue. And I think back to Dante because whenever
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  Speaker 9: we talk about the offensive line, it always gets back
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  Speaker 9: to Scar and he used to say all the time.
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  Speaker 4: What Freddie.
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  Speaker 9: The five guys need to play together so they see
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  Speaker 9: it with one set of eyes. You know, we can't
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  Speaker 9: have five different people seeing things five different ways. It
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  Speaker 9: needs to be five people seeing it exactly the same.
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  Speaker 9: And I think that's probably hard to do when you
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  Speaker 9: haven't had a lot of practice together.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I do think that that has a chance.
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  Speaker 9: I think Mike's the way you got into that I
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  Speaker 9: really agree with. You're not going to be able to
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  Speaker 9: go and you know, trade for t Higgins. You know
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  Speaker 9: you're not going to add something really significant that transforms
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  Speaker 9: your team. The best realistic hope for improvement is those
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  Speaker 9: five guys up front learn each other and start to
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  Speaker 9: play better and protect Mac Jones better, and they run
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  Speaker 9: the ball.
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  Speaker 8: And run the ball, and I mean that's I mean,
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  Speaker 8: they can't run the ball right now, and that's you know,
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  Speaker 8: like they're better than that. Like I don't I don't
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  Speaker 8: know how good they can be in the passing offense.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, they're they're limited, but but they can at
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  Speaker 8: least have a functional run than they have in the
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  Speaker 8: first Then let's kind of see what happens with the
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  Speaker 8: pass game. I mean, I'm not going to tell you
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  Speaker 8: that they're going to be you know, this explosive, all
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  Speaker 8: over the place offense. I just think that they can
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  Speaker 8: be better. It starts upfront with getting those guys settled.
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  Speaker 8: And you know, it's Cold Strange's first game, it's Michael
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  Speaker 8: and wnu's first game. Andrews Evan I, you know, didn't
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  Speaker 8: play great. So you know, they just and I think
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  Speaker 8: that that's another kind of theme which I'll tie into
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  Speaker 8: the defense, which is just disappointing upfront from the big
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  Speaker 8: boys and Jawan Bentley, and you know, I respect what
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  Speaker 8: the secondary did. They hung on, they were you know, competitive,
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  Speaker 8: I just think they got pushed around up front. And
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  Speaker 8: you know, the one of the things I remember saying
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  Speaker 8: in the offseason and then people gave me a little
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  Speaker 8: crap about it was I'm just worried that, you know,
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  Speaker 8: you're kind of got an expiration date with this defensive front,
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  Speaker 8: and we've been this is what season three, season.
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  Speaker 4: Four of Godshaw Guy Wise.
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  Speaker 8: You know, I thought Wise was okay, but it's just
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  Speaker 8: I wonder if those guys are getting past their expiration
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  Speaker 8: date today. I mean, if they can't get up for
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  Speaker 8: a division game and they get pushed around like they
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  Speaker 8: did against the Dolphins, that's a bigger concern. So I
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  Speaker 8: don almost say I came out of this like reviewing
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  Speaker 8: the game yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: It's not saying I feel better about the offense, but
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  Speaker 4: feeling that I have some clarity about the path forward.
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  Speaker 8: Defensively, I have a little bit more worry because I
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  Speaker 8: think if the guys up front start to fade, it's
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  Speaker 8: going to be a long season.
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  Speaker 10: I also think like something that is just really weird
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  Speaker 10: about the first two games and obviously most of last season,
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  Speaker 10: the turnovers. It's like ball security has been more of
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  Speaker 10: an issue. I feel like the past what's seven team
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  Speaker 10: games and I feel like in the Patriots past before,
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  Speaker 10: and it's just weird. It's just not It's not normal
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  Speaker 10: for a Bill Belichick led team to just be so undisciplined.
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  Speaker 8: I agree and like, but the thing I was thinking
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  Speaker 8: about last night though, was like you had a rookie
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  Speaker 8: make a play and he got and didn't realize there
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  Speaker 8: was a guy behind him. You know, it's not like
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  Speaker 8: to Mario Douglas's fumble. Is this you know what it macked?
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  Speaker 8: You know, like it it's a rookie making a mistake,
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  Speaker 8: like it happens. And you know, I know that this
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  Speaker 8: has been a feature in the first two games, and
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  Speaker 8: it's easy to kind of connect those dots and say
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  Speaker 8: they that they need to be better there. But at
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  Speaker 8: the same time, like rookies, fumbling is going to happen,
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  Speaker 8: like you just you need to have a margin of
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  Speaker 8: error that when that happens. And I think we can
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  Speaker 8: all get into you got to get Douglas right back
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  Speaker 8: out there, because he showed on.
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  Speaker 4: The play the explosive ability that he has.
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  Speaker 8: So you know, I just I think some of it
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  Speaker 8: is tough because it's all kind of getting wrapped into
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  Speaker 8: one kind of thing. But I do think that that
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  Speaker 8: first one it's it's a rookie making a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're minus two right now in the
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  Speaker 1: you know, in that category.
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  Speaker 9: Right and it also it's a little deceptive too because,
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  Speaker 9: and I agree with the way Mike said it, their
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  Speaker 9: minus two because of what actual turnovers are, but that
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  Speaker 9: doesn't take into consideration that Philadelphia went for a fourth
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  Speaker 9: down from their own side of the field and missed
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  Speaker 9: and gave you a short field to try to win
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  Speaker 9: the game in the opener, that's a turnover, doesn't go
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  Speaker 9: dount as a turnover. And then the block field goal
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  Speaker 9: which turned three points for the other team and put
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  Speaker 9: you on the Miami side of the field, and to
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  Speaker 9: start another drive that doesn't count as a turnover, but
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  Speaker 9: that might as well be one, you know. So, like
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  Speaker 9: Fred's right, their minus two, but the other teams have
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  Speaker 9: made these kinds of mistakes too, And to Mike's point,
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  Speaker 9: the margin ferrer is bigger, you.
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  Speaker 1: See, and like just it's only two games. But my
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  Speaker 1: feeling is, even though their minus two and that's not good,
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  Speaker 1: turnovers haven't been the reason why they lost.
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  Speaker 9: I think you could say the first game that was
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  Speaker 9: I don't think it was the reason why they lost this.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, the first game for sure, Like I mean, it
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  Speaker 10: put points on the board for the other team because
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  Speaker 10: of both of those. And I also just hate that
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  Speaker 10: when the defense or special teams does get those turnovers,
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  Speaker 10: they can't capitalize on them.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the thing. They've had ample opportunities to overcome
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  Speaker 1: those turnovers in both games and they just didn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: So like, I don't know, I'm just well, it's.
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  Speaker 8: The beginning of the game, right, I mean, that's the colors,
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  Speaker 8: the kind of you know, the narrative of what the
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  Speaker 8: game is.
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  Speaker 4: You're in a hole and you got to climb out
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 8: But you know, most teams like the first two possessions,
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  Speaker 8: like that's the first two possesions of the game. You
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  Speaker 8: got whatever it is, fifty more minutes to make up
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  Speaker 8: for it. So you know, it's it's I see what
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  Speaker 8: you're saying.
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  Speaker 5: The head coach thinks it's the turnovers. Yeah, said it
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  Speaker 5: after the game. Yeah, he's ass point blank, what why
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  Speaker 5: do you think you guys are getting yourselves so far
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  Speaker 5: behind the eight ball? And he said turnovers. And I
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  Speaker 5: have a whole list of grievances with this team right now,
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  Speaker 5: so I won't get.
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  Speaker 4: His comments are starting to become one of my lists.
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  Speaker 5: Of three hundred percent.
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  Speaker 6: I was.
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  Speaker 5: I have a tangent for that comment. As well, but
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  Speaker 5: I look forward to just to the start. I would
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  Speaker 5: just say that I feel like I'm staring at the
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  Speaker 5: same pig that is wearing nicer close like when I
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: talk about the offense, and the pig is the personnel, right,
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  Speaker 5: Like the personnel is not dynamic. It's I said this
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  Speaker 5: last week, and everybody came at me and said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 5: they threw for three hundred yards and they had three touchdowns,
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  Speaker 5: and how could you say it didn't look better. They
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  Speaker 5: do not have any explosive players. They have two plays
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  Speaker 5: over twenty yards in two weeks, two plays, and one
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  Speaker 5: of them was a screen to Remandre Stevenson when they
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  Speaker 5: were down by two scores late in the fourth quarter
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  Speaker 5: of a game, So I don't really count that one
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  Speaker 5: a whole lot. They have two explosive plays. They can't
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  Speaker 5: run the football either, as Mike has pointed out, and
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  Speaker 5: I agree wholeheartedly that's a big thing. But in general,
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  Speaker 5: I think we blame a lot on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: I understand why, but I don't think that the turnovers
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  Speaker 5: or the offensive line are the only things that we
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  Speaker 5: should be blaming or looking at. Is need needs to
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  Speaker 5: improve with this offense, and I hear you.
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  Speaker 1: But it's hard to judge all those other things when
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  Speaker 1: the line's playing the way it's playing.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, everyone right now, they.
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  Speaker 1: Really execute the way you want to execute. They were
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  Speaker 1: in your calling play like the play calling on Sunday
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  Speaker 1: was to me looked totally like, I know, my line
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  Speaker 1: can't give me time. So these are the plays that
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  Speaker 1: we have to choose from. You weren't your whole playbook
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  Speaker 1: wasn't available to you because of the condition of the.
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  Speaker 5: But but is that justified because I don't feel it's justified.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that that's an excuse fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what I don't you think that the plays
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  Speaker 1: that were called were a result of the confidence in
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  Speaker 1: the line.
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  Speaker 5: And so I asked O'Brien this morning about under center.
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  Speaker 5: They have ran four passes from under center in two weeks.
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  Speaker 5: They have one under center play action pass the entire
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  Speaker 5: way so far. Max dropped back one hundred and seven times,
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  Speaker 5: and he said that he agreed that it's an imbalance
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  Speaker 5: that they would like to correct. And you talk about
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  Speaker 5: the running game, and to me, with the running game,
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  Speaker 5: the easiest thing in football offensively is to put the
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  Speaker 5: quarterback under center and hand the ball off to the
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  Speaker 5: running back. If you can do that, then you can
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  Speaker 5: really build a ton of stuff off of that. And
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  Speaker 5: they have just not really and this is my greate
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  Speaker 5: with O'Brien is that they have just really not done that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're looking at O'Brien, but there was a stretch
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  Speaker 1: last year where they didn't go under center either. Is
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  Speaker 1: this a Mac thing where he just tells whoever is
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, I don't feel comfortable under center. I feel
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  Speaker 1: better having a good look at the at the defense
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  Speaker 1: from shotgun.
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  Speaker 5: It could it be a Mac thing, absolutely, but I
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  Speaker 5: would say to Mac at this point, too bad, because
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  Speaker 5: they have personnel. They have two big backs, they have
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: their interior offensive line is the strength of the offensive line.
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: They have to run the ball downhill, they have to
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: and putting Ramandra Stevenson a two hundred and twenty five
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: bound back in shotgun where he's starting from a standstill
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: and doesn't really have a lot of momentum going into
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage. That's not his game. It's not
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: the type of back that he is. He is not
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: a spread offense running back. He's a running back that
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: if you give him a head star from seven yards
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: behind the line of scrimmage and you turn around and
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: hand the ball off to him that he can make
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: plays with the ball in his hand, and then you
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: start to sequence together the play actions and that's when
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: you start to hit some more plays down the field.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: If they expect to line up and shotgun and be
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: an explosive offense with the playmakers that they have on
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: the outside, then it's gonna be the way that it's
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: looked because they don't have the guys. They don't have
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: the horses on the outside to just say, hey, you know,
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: DeVante Parker, you're matched up against Xavian Howard, just win
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: a rout. You know. They don't have those types of guys,
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: and so they are not an explosive offense right now
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: because they're not calling enough play action. Max only had
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: play action on thirteen percent of the dropbacks. It's not enough.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: They need to call more play action. They need to
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: be able to run the ball. And Mike and I
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: were talking about this upstairs. I don't really love their
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: run scheme right now either. I don't really love what
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: they're doing in the run game, the gun run, the
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: lack of polers, the lack of lead blockers up to
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: the second level. They are running a whole lot of
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: duo and inside zone and it just looks like a
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: muddied mess in the middle of the field. There's not
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: a whole lot of space, there's not a whole lot
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: of get up to the second level for the blockers
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: to kind of try to spring Remandre onto a bigger run.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: I just I think that they need to get back
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: to their bread and butter and this is not it.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: But respectfully, respectfully, you know, you had two rookie guards
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: playing against the Eagles, Like, is that conducive to play.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: Excuse last week because they had Mike on right now?
• 16:38
  Speaker 8: But but I mean, you know, it's two games and
• 16:41
  Speaker 8: you got a good I mean, you know, I'm just
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: saying this.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Is I made that point last week. Maybe he had.
• 16:44
  Speaker 9: They don't want him to turn his back to a
• 16:46
  Speaker 9: pass rush that they think is probably going to be
• 16:49
  Speaker 9: there and that that might call for the play the
• 16:52
  Speaker 9: lack of play action. But the running stuff, to me
• 16:54
  Speaker 9: is different and the time to throw, like I do listen,
• 16:59
  Speaker 9: the top of the list is the offensive line instability.
• 17:02
  Speaker 9: I think we all agree on that. I don't think
• 17:04
  Speaker 9: that's all that controversial. But the whole time to throw, like,
• 17:08
  Speaker 9: didn't I see a bunch of your your stats of
• 17:12
  Speaker 9: talking about how Tua's time.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: To throw was was less. There's one on average.
• 17:19
  Speaker 9: Now, obviously the pages didn't have any pressure because it's
• 17:22
  Speaker 9: impossible to pressure a guide that quickly didn't seem to
• 17:26
  Speaker 9: affect their game plan. They threw the ball in you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 9: different different areas.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Guys, they can get into their routes faster.
• 17:32
  Speaker 9: Okay, so this is what I think Evan's talking about.
• 17:35
  Speaker 9: They don't have a dynamic nature to their offense, that's true,
• 17:37
  Speaker 9: which leads you to have stats like this. You know,
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: they average four point one yards of play in Week
• 17:43
  Speaker 9: two and that was the worst of the week, not
• 17:45
  Speaker 9: including the two Monday night games.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody was worse than that.
• 17:49
  Speaker 9: But mac Jones in two weeks is leads the league
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: in past attempts and passes completed. He is twenty eighth
• 17:59
  Speaker 9: in yards per attempt twenty ninth and yards per completion
• 18:03
  Speaker 9: twenty sixth. In net yards per attempt whether a QBR,
• 18:06
  Speaker 9: that's eighteenth in a rating of twentieth. So they're throwing
• 18:11
  Speaker 9: it a lot and they're completing it a lot, but
• 18:14
  Speaker 9: they're not making any plays with it. So you know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: you can blame the offensive line for that. Sure, I
• 18:19
  Speaker 9: think that's absolutely on the on the list. To me,
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: it's at the top of the list. But I think
• 18:24
  Speaker 9: it also is sort of simplistically eliminating the other issues.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: With the offense.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of I mean, so we've talked
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: to offensive linemen over the year and they always tell us,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: we love it when we're running. You know, we love
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: it when you know we're told you know, we know
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a run play and you can
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: just fire out and you know, dominate. We love it,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: you know when we're when we're running well, and that's
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the game plan right right now, what you're seeing is
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know mac is, I don't know
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: if he's changing calls it the line or whatever. But
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you don't see guys firing out, you know, that's for sure,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And that tells me that there's a lot of you know,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: it was a run play, we're changing to a pass,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: or it was a pass play, we're changing to a run,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: and the offensive line in their head don't have that
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: run mentality right now.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: You know, it's definitely a mentality thing when it comes
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: to running the ball, that you have to want to
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: run the ball like it's as much as we can
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: talk about scheme and what they're doing and what they're
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: not doing in terms of the ex's nose, running the
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: ball is a mentality. But I just at the end
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: of the day, I look at O'Brien and I think
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: he's a great offensive coordinator. He's obviously an experienced guy.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: He knows what he's doing. But at the end of
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: the day, they don't have enough scheme related conflict in
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: their offense right now. There's not enough play action, there's
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: not enough window dressing. It's just we're gonna run it
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: right at you or we're gonna throw it right at you.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: And when you do that, you better have good players.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: You have to have good personnel, and this team doesn't
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: on offense, are not good enough at least like teams
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: like Cincinnati play it that way. They can because they
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: have Jamar Chase and they have T Higgins, they have
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: a great quarterback. The Patriots are a team that they
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: need to create openings for their passing game. They need
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: to scheme guys open, they need to use play action
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: to create larger passing windows to create catch and run opportunities.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Mac just taking ISO shots to Devonte Parker and Kendrick
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Bourne is not going to create explosive plays for this offense.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: So they need to figure out ways to create more
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: conflict in the defense. Because the defense isn't afraid of
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: your receivers, that's obvious, so they need to be afraid
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: of the scheme. And I think right now, you know, Paul,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: just right off those stats about how much Mac has passed,
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: He's also passed the majority of the time and shotgun.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: He's also leads a league in empty dropbacks. Like that's
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: their offense is just let's put Mac in the gun,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: let them survey the field pre snap and make a
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: quick decisive decision with the football. But they just don't
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: have anybody special to then do anything with the ball
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: when he throws it to them. So it's five yards here,
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: it's six yards there, and then they're tackled.
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: The one I really like is Evan talking about how
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: they're running the ball, you know, like the schemes and
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: you know, would you say inside zones and whatnot, and
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: it's a muddied mess. I think you said because politely.
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: They don't want to be They don't want to be
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: leading the league in pass attempts. They don't that's not
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: how they want to play. So they have to figure
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: out a way to more efficiently run the ball. It's
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: it's pretty simple. They don't want to be leading the
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: league in pass attempts. They don't have that kind of
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: an offense.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: I have not gotten a good answer on two things
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: when it comes to the run game over the last
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: two years. One where did the full back go? And
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: why is this such a big vendetta against full backs? Now,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: you had a full back for twenty years.
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: But now that I told you about this too, It's
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: like when Josh left, I had a conversation with someone
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: who excoriated Josh's need quote unquote for a fullback and
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: just went for ten minutes like, we don't we moving
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: on from that, we don't want that. And I just
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: looked at as like, well, well why, Yeah. They just
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: felt like it was too predicting. And this was not
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: a member of the coaching staff. Let me stress that
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: this was not a member of the coaching staff. It
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: was somebody who works for the Patriots football but not
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: a member of the coaching staff, and he just said,
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: there's too much of a predictor. You know, they just
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: felt like they were too predictable. When the fullback was
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: on the field, it was indicating run and it limited
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: what you could do. But I kind of think that
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: maybe you need to eliminate the full back wasn't necessarily accurate.
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: It was maybe to find a different kind of full back.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one that can catch that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: They kind of eliminated the third down back two.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that was on purpose.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that that Yeah, that wasn't definitely on purpose,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: but they didn't do anything this year about it. I
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: mean time Ontcomery is a receiver, a guy.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Pierre Strong, I think they tried to a touchdown.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: You had a touchdown last night.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: What happened to the full back?
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: Why are we anti full back all of a sudden
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: After running the ball behind a full back for twenty
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: years successfully, we now don't like full back? And what
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: happened to the gap schemes? Like so, duo is a
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: gap scheme, but it's a double team. You have two
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: double teams by on the interior. There's not really a
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: whole lot working up to the second level and duo
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: the second level. You're supposed to your running back is
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: supposed to manipulate the second level and make the linebacker miss.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: But the Patriots old scheme was a downhill, gap oriented
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: run scheme where if you didn't have the fullback, you
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: were using pulling guards, so you'd have Shaq Mason pulling
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: through the whole, Joe Toney pulling through the hole and
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: leading the way for these running backs Mike Onnwenu in
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty one doing the same thing. They have gone
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: away from the downhill run scheme. They have gone away
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: from the full back to be this more spread offense,
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: and they don't have the personnel, Like I just really
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: don't feel like they have the personnel to do that effectively,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: at least not yet. And I don't know why they
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: don't just go back to it, Like it's not like
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: O'Brien doesn't know how to coach it, like he knows
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: how to coach everything. I don't know why they had
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: to completely which that entire thing for what they're doing now,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: which is just not working. Yeah, right period, Yeah, okay
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: for two years now.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: It's I mean fair enough, you know, whatever they're doing, right,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: now hasn't hasn't resulted in in a win, you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a win or like Paul said, you know explosive plays,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you know they what was it? The biggest play is
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: twenty two yards and said it happened.
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: I had a thirty two yard screen pass to Ormandri Stevenson,
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: which was when they were down two school they were
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: down eleven in the twelve whatever eleven maybe in the
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: fourth quarter of eleven.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: I you know, one thing I just thought about for
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: the group maybe to consider you know Vic Fangio's thing,
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: cover two right, take away the big plays, I mean,
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: anything into that of why the Patriots weren't more aggressive downfield.
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: I thought that they took some shots and quite frankly,
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: I thought, you know, the more I watched the play,
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: I don't understand how Kendrick Bowne didn't catch that pass.
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: I thought that was a really good throw.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Mac me too.
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: On the first deep ball down the left sideline heading
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: toward the the opposite end of the lighthouse, it was
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: coming toward us in the press box. I thought that
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: he had a chance to make a play on that ball.
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: Inexplicably he only put one hand out.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Eli Apple had his other arm, but kind of
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: you think, so he reached for it, but I I
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: think that a good risk. I shouldn't say that. A
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: better way to play that ball is to then just
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: like swipe Eli Apple's hand out of the way through
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: the contact and and then go up with two hands.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: I thought that was a dime from I thought that
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: was a.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Really good throw. Now he had.
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: They made a couple of other efforts to get the
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: ball downfield, and they weren't necessarily like the one that
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: Kasiki was not necessarily by design. It turned into an
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: off platform play and he missed you. I thought he
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: had a chance to make a play there. He overshot him.
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: But the one to Bourne that that one in particular
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: he had another one to Bourne that had no chance
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: was like out a bound. I thought that took a
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: couple of shots. I thought they took a couple of
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: shots in the opener. They haven't been able to connect
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: on them.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I think interested in.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: The shots that they're taking, like they're taking these ISO
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: shots to these outside receivers when they don't have the
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: outside receivers that make those plays. Now, DeVante Parker can
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: but not against Xavian Howard. He can't. You know, that's
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: been clear for two years, like he can do that
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: against lesser corners. But in general, what I was hoping
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: from this offense was that there was going to be
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: a whole lot more after the catch, Like they were
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: going to hit guys on slants and inbreakers with some
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: speed and allow those guys to then catch and run
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: with the football after the catch, and that's how you
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: were going to generate explosive plays. There's areas offensively. They've
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: been better on third down, they've been better in the
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: red zone, and I think Mac has been better too.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: But they're not scoring enough points because they can't. They
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: don't have any explosive plays. They're five to seven scoring
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: in the red zone.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Red zone.
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, this is my argument from last year. Everybody was
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: fixated on their last in the red zone and said, yeah,
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: that's the Obviously they're not scoring a percentage of time,
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: but the bigger problems they don't.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Get there enough.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: They still don't get there and they still don't.
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: Get there enough. Now they're efficient in the red zone,
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: they're just not there often enough.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and last year they were actually scoring outside the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: red zone. I mean Bill even said it, you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and scoring from anywhere. You know. Well, when they did score,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: it was a lot of times it was from outside
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: of the red zone. You know. So they've got some
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: work to do on offense, for sure. And but I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: will say at their point, I will say that to me,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: my stance hasn't changed since the end of the game.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: It starts with the O line. You know, it's hard
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: to judge everything else if Mac is constantly backpedaling and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: has visitors in the batfield, you know.
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: And even you know, to you a point like this
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: is totally anecdotal. You know, I suppose you could do
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: a study and watch all the plays, but like.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: If only we had somebody that does that.
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: No, but I'm but this is not scheme related. This
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: is just like you can watch a play and say,
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: like Mac is sort of throwing the ball off his
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: back foot. Occasionally he's throwing the ball while while moving backwards.
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: Like Fred said, well, the ball's hanging and because the
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: ball takes a little bit more time and some of
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: the passes are complete, some of those throws that he
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: made in the fourth quarter are just like, oh my god,
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: how is that not going to get intercepted? But the
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: the flip side of that is, yet some of them
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: are being completed and then the guy gets tackled immediately
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: you're looking for yak. Well, there's a reason you're not
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: getting yack. Not not just because your receivers aren't explosive.
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: It's because the balls taking them so long to get there.
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: Really through no fault of Mac, because he's under pressure
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: when he's throwing it, and he's throwing it before he
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: wants to, and it's on a guy and now you
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: know there's there's multiple guys there to make a tackle
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: before you can even get a chance to.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do any all that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: I do think I thought Mac had some good off
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: platform kind of throws. I thought he had some good
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: throws in this one with guys in his face getting
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: it out quick.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: You know, I do think he's better this year. You know,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: I don't feel like we need to like blow him
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: up tomorrow like some that were writing to me. You know,
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not going to say I'm excited about
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: the offense right now for all the reasons you guys
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: are talking about. But I definitely see improvement in Mac.
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: And you know, I just I would like to see
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: him with a running game and you know, give him
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: some support. I just think, you know, so many people
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: are so apoplectic right now, and it's like, well, what
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: are the steps we can take right now to make
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: this better? And I think that that's tangible steps on
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: the offensive line. Get Trent brown Back. I don't I
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: don't know about right tackle though. I mean, I think
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: we can all agree Calvin.
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: And Calvin, well, yeah, you could make that move. Calvin
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: Anderson definitely struggled the other day. Do you think if
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: you know, short of making a move outside the organization
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: is there, do we revisit the one you think?
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: You know, could could Antonio Mafi be the right guard?
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: Antonio Mafi really struggled, Yeah, I mean he I think
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: he'd let up a sack on the second play he
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: was in the game, something like.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: So becomes the right guard.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: I mean possible. They're going to have to figure that
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: one out. I mean, I you know, I just think
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: if you get Trent brown Back and he plays up to,
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: you know, a solid level, and he was really good
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: in week one, you know, those the interior guys though,
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: that's you know, I think everybody's given a little bit
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: of a pass to some of the shortcomings in the
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: middle there in that game last week. But you know,
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: I think those things. I mean, you got he just
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: you absolutely have to be able to rely on strange
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: Andrews and the WHENU and you know, I don't think
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: it was there just yet.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I trashed Mac last week. Everybody knows that. I
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: thought he was better in this game than he was
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: last week.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, I do too. I thought he was under more pressure.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought he handled pressure well. I thought he
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: made some off platform on the move type of plays
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: that he doesn't normally make. And I thought that his
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: footwork was better in the pocket. From start to finish
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: in this game, I thought he was ready to play.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: He looked like he was ready to go, and he
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: actually made some plays later in the game in this
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter to get them back in it
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: that I've never seen the make before. That throat touchdown
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: through to Hunter Henry. I have never seen Mac Jones
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: make a play like that before.
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll play the Evan role in the whip like it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I hated that play. I don't want to ever see
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: that again.
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: See I mean, like, but here's that made me a
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: scared me and I talked a little bit to Zoe
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: about it yesterday on the broadcast, goes no, no, and
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: I said, so, I'm just gonna guess that you were
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: with me, and he said absolutely. It was the role
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: throw across the body. He can't do that, especially in
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: the end zone.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: But but he did it off script like that wasn't
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: I know that's right, that's no.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: No, I know we can't.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that you do this, but like this,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: this this irks me because we can't sit here and
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: put Patrick Mahomes in the Sports Center Top ten every
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: single time he does that. But when Mac Jones does it,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: sit there and say oh no, no, no, no, can't do that, like.
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: Oh, I think you absolutely can. There's a skill set
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: that's far. But he Josh Allen, but he he made
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: that throw a lot better than I think any of
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: us expected mac Jones to make it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: I just think it was just so close.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: But that's how.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: I don't want to see it again.
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: I think Alan like because I think that those guys
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: more often than not have the arm strength to get
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: the ball where it needs to go.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Mac doesn't.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: But what if it's better, what if he's improved in
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: that area.
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: Then then I'll say, Okay, he can now make that throw.
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: I've seen him make that throw about ten times in
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: his time as the Patriots. That's the first time it
• 32:16
  Speaker 9: was completed. If he's going to like I literally have
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: seen that ball be picked off about four times, is.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: That if he's going to see that to his repertoire,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: they need him to add that type of playmate.
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: That's a different argument. If you're telling me he has
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: a skill set now that he's developed that he didn't have.
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: I'll be willing to revisit. Absolutely, I'm stubborn, but not
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: that stubborn.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: I appreciate that, all right.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: So we're going to open it up. Eight five to five.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Pass five hundred is the ace ticket. Hutline web radio
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com is the email address for focusing
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: on the game passed. We'll get into the Jets tomorrow
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: when we turn the page Wednesday. But of course, if
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you know there's something you on your mind that you
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: want to talk about with the Jets game against the Cowboys,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you can you can bring that up any indicators that
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: you saw. But you know, I think the Jets are
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: what they are, a good defense with no offense.
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean I you know, I think Breessee Hall.
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: I mean, not to get into it, but I think
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: that this is a threatening running game. Given what I
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: saw from the Patriots defensive front last week, I think
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: I have some concerns about that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I also would just say.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: He was mad by the way he wanted the ball
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: more and so you know, you got holing Cook.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: I mean, I haven't really dove into that game how
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: they were so you know, unproductive, but.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that part, that part scares me.
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: But I also think, like, you know, can we just
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: can I just give a little credit to Miami. I
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: just going back watching I thought Miami's outstanding offense, Like
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: they're just.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: They're really good, you know, and that's it's just like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: what what do you do?
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: Like, I know, everyone you know wants the defense to
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: be this shutdown, awesome defense. But you know, sometimes you
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: just have to acknowledge that this is a team that
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: is firing on all cylinders right now here in Week two,
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: and they're really hard to defend, you know, and certainly
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: the Patriots defense has some shortcomings, but you know, you
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: just have to acknowledge when a team is really well
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: coached and has a lot of really good players, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: you know it's it's you have a very slim margin
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: for err no matter what.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: I have grievances with the defense too, But I agree
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: with Mike's general point.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but I.
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: Still but my grievances would be the same as they've
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: been for the last two plus years. When they play
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: against a good offense, that's generally what it looks.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they were chasing it the whole night. Yeah, they
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: looked like they were in a blender.
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: That the the the optimism that I took out of
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: Week one going against a good offense completely disappeared in
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: this one. Ycause that's what I agree, that's what I've
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: seen for the most part. Now it's one game. Hopefully
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: they'll bounce back. They'll face more good offenses down the road.
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: Now they won't. It won't be won this week. This
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: would be one. I expect them to hold the team
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: under two hundred total yards because that's what they do.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: They mad it was offense fantastic. McDaniel called a fantastic game.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: He he had a great plan and he called a
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: really good game. He he had to have known going
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: into the game that Belichick wasn't going to give him
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: the big plays, and they had all sorts of window
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: dress seeing sideline to sideline stuff, and they just got
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: the Patriots defense trying to run with them sideline to
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: sideline instead of up the field. And it was a really,
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: really good plan. But there's just too many instances for
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: the Patriots defense where their overreactions to motions and eye
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: candy was was really bad. Their eye discipline was all
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: over the place. And then you just have certain guys
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: that I just I still can't really understand why in
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: these matchups, when you know you're going against these fast offenses,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: why certain guys are in certain spots that that's also
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: you know, something that is a little bit heads.
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: I want to get into that a little bit later
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: in the show. I would also add, you know, the defensively,
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: like you said, you know that with Breis Hall, I
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: respect the Jets running game.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: I do.
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: I think both of those guys are dangerous. I don't
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: think I'm worried about the run defense based on Sunday Night,
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: because I don't think I think that was more scheme
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: related not and I don't say straight up game. I'm
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: not taking it to Patriots fans. They wanted them to
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: run that was the game. No, they didn't want to
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: play as poorly as they did upfront. They didn't play
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: well up front, but they asked fewer guys to stop
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: the run than they're going to this week against the
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: Jets because of obvious reasons. You know the way that
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: Miami can hurt you, right, So they asked a lighter
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: box to take care of the running game and they failed.
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: They Now the guys that failed are going to be
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: the guys that are out there too. You know it's
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: the you mentioned, it's the wise bar More, gotcha. I
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: know it was in the crosshairs for some people. Those
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: guys are going to need to play better against the Jets.
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: But there's not going to be the same game plan
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: that you saw against Miami. They're going to have more
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: guys up front, the safeties are going to be bringing wood.
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: They If they have a hard time stopping the run
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: this week, then I think you can be concerned about
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: run defense.
• 36:47
  Speaker 10: I wouldn't even be surprised if the Jets like lean
• 36:49
  Speaker 10: on the run a lot just to like limit That's.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: All the can we talk about bar More? Because I
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: just am not feeling him that this game, Like I
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: just I might my cost. My comp to Evan.
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: My comp to Evan upstairs was he's Adam Butler, you know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: and I don't think that's what anybody wants right now,
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: and nobody wants him to just kind of be a
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: situational pass rusher guy.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: But that's who I mean. He had won tackle in
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: the game. He missed a couple of tackles.
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: He just seems like he's got all this energy, but
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: he doesn't know to go to the right spot to
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: make the play. And you know, I'm just I'm disappointed,
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: you know, I just I watched him. I mentioned him
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: as a guy that you know needs to be able
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: to get in the backfield. Paul, you mentioned about how
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: fast Tua gets the ball out.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: You know, there has to be a way to disrupt
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: the quarterback. I mean, talking to Covington.
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: Last week, it's like, no matter who we play, we
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: have to find a way to.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Disrupt the quarterback.
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: And even if two was getting the ball out in
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: two seconds, there has to be a way to get
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: at least him. And they did it on a couple
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: of plays where you know, it was like a late
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: shift kind of thing. Somebody comes, somebody doesn't offensive line
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: is a little bit uncertain, and it forced Two to
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: make a quick, bad throw not obviously not enough.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: I think what he had like six and completions old game.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: But I just bar Moore is one.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: I am really disappointed and why again, he just doesn't
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: He's just he looks like Adam Butler to me.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: He's got all this energy, but not really that productive.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: I thought that the lack of pass rush was more
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: on the secondary and the game plan than the actual
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I am confident that the Patriots have good pass rushers.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: That's one of the things that I think that we
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: can all say, Judean ouch Uh. Those guys can get
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: after the quarterback. We saw that in Week one. I
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: think they can do that. They were terrified of Miami's speed.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: They just worked. They were terrified of Miami's speed. They
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: came out in that three deep safety look and they
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: were eight yards off the ball in the entire game,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: and there just wasn't enough resistance on the receivers underneath
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: off the line of scrimmage. And if you don't jam
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: those types of guys, if you don't disrupt the routes
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: and the timing of the routes, then two is going
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: to get the ball out in two seconds, and that's
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: what happened.
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: And I thought it was weird, Like the Dietrich wise
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: comment about you know, someone asked him about being and
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: five against two and he's done nothing special against us.
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: I'm paraphrasing the words special not special. Was definitely part
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: of what he said. He's done nothing special or he's
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: he's not doing anything special. You know, stuff like that,
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: which I find really odd because have they ever made
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: to I mean, the five games that they want. You
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: could make an argument that Tua didn't win any of
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: the five games. I would argue against that, but you
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: could make the argument that Tua himself didn't go out
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: and rip them apart in any of the five wins.
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: Did they ever make Tua look bad in any of
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: the five games?
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: No, not even when Brian Flores was the interception they
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: got here.
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: No, No, I'm not.
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: Talking about he never made a bad play. But did
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: they ever make him look bad? Like on Sunday? He
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: never looked bad for one second of that game.
• 39:43
  Speaker 10: Noe, Like he didn't like I feel like Jalen Hurts
• 39:45
  Speaker 10: stuff only was like uncomfortable and like.
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he had some things to be perfect perfect example
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: they had. They had Jalen Hurts off his game the
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: for the most part of in that game I never
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: saw I don't really remember even like the the interception
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: and he like the whole game, he said, we're not
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: going to do that. We're not going to take that's
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: what they want us to do. That's what And then
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: finally he's ten yards in the clear and he says,
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: there it is.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: I got one.
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: And Gonzales, well, first of all, he made a terrible throw.
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: But Gonzalez makes a great play to come over and
• 40:18
  Speaker 9: high point.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Can't just give him Gonzales a compliment?
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Did you hear me on Gonzales during the game on
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: it was a terrible throw?
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, What did I say during the game, Don't don't
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: be disingenuous, you just say it like a big man.
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: And what did I say about Gonzales, It was a
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: great play by Gonzales.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: You can't get me on him.
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: He's my guy, He's barbar was also my guy and
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: misparing to Adam Butler.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: Gonzales in this game was my shining light. Gonzales was
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: going out there and going toe to toe with Tyreek
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: kill that that was a really, really good performance. He
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: had safety help a lot, So just a really really
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: good performance.
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: To circle back, I'll put a bowl on the interception
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: in the same exact play could happen with the same
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: exact bad throw, and Miles Bryant is the guy who
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: recognizes as it goes over plays it exactly like Gonzalez does.
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: He doesn't pick it off. Yeah, he doesn't high point
• 41:11
  Speaker 9: the ball like that. No, Like he's a six to
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: two athlete who went up with another athlete and won
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: the battle like that's because he's that talented.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: That was one of the most him I've seen a
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Patriot player make in like three years. Just here athleticism.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: He was great.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Am I crazy to kind of like Myles Bryant now.
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: Based on that game a little bit, if you want
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: to give me some Miles Bryant.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Off the Eagles game.
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: Eagles game, I'm here. He made one good play in
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: that game. He chopped that guy down. I mean he's
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: thirty five yards on the sideline.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: That's a tough play. That's a tough play to Jalen Waddell.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: But I don't know.
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: I just I think I think he plays tough, and
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: I think he's had his ups and downs and he's
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: you know, went up against Jayalen Waddle, and Jayalen Waddle
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: went up and made a catch over I'm sure I
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: don't know I.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Go up and make a catch over him. He ran
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: by him.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: We kind of jumped up in it was an underthrown.
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: Thank you, But I'm saying it was good play.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying I think I like how he's giving.
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: The stiff that when he's used correctly, he's he can be.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Really to me, Miles Bryant is like the equivalent of
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: like a utility man in baseball, where he just can
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: kind of move around the secondary and play where you
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: need him to play. And they're the perfect coaching staff
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: to protect that type of player. The fact that John
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Jones and Marcus Jones gets hurt in like the first
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: quarter and they have to put Miles Bryan on Jalen
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Waddle isn't Miles Bryant's fault. Like they had injuries at
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: the cornerback position and they were thin. That wasn't the
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: plan going into the game to have Miles Bryan on
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: an island against Jalen Waddle.
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: And I'll say one more thing about the defense in general.
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: Freddie before I know you want to hit those phones.
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: Tackling was not good, not this game, not as good
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: as Week one.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: They missed eight tackles, but the tackles that they missed
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: then for some reason lead to like really big plays,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Like they didn't swarm to the football in this game
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: like they did in Week one, which I thought was
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: maybe the most disappointing.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Daniels might have had a more spread out and there's
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: more speed on that team, you know.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: I just.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: When when Jabriel Peppers misses a tackle in the backfield
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: and then that run still gain gains eight yards like that,
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: that to me is pursuit and like hustle to the football.
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: I was disappointed Juwan Bentley in this game, and I
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: feel like I annually have one of those games where
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: I kind of, you know, see what he's limited at
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: in games that he's limited in. I just I think
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: he was, like Evan said, chasing it all night long.
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: Just couldn't couldn't get ahead of the play, couldn't make
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: those stops that you know, we're kind of used to
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: him saying. I hope he needs to have a big
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: game coming back, But I just that I worry about
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: the veterans up front right now.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: That's you know, those guys.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: Was just to put in a in a bad spot personally,
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: I think by the coaches and he's trying to cover
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: the flats and stuff like that, and they're putting him
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: in conflict, and well, it just what are we doing?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Would you say? But because of the threats that the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Miami offense posed and the way that the Patriots game
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: plan defensively for that, it wasn't a good game for
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: instinctual play on defense because there was so much that
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: you had to like remember on every play depending on
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the look that you were being given.
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know, Fred, because I mean, if
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: you're going to come out in you know, a kind
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: of what three high look where they're all in the
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: middle of the field and then you kind of roll
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: the dice out of that, you have to know that
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: they're gonna then hit the checkdowns and run the ball.
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: And you know, I don't know what they were doing
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: in the run game that really should have thrown off
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: the defensive front all that much. Like you know, I mean,
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: it's I think some of it was just getting pushed
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: around a little bit with with those big boys up front.
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: I don't know with Bentley, I don't know, I don't
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: know what to tell you where where his mind was
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: in this, But you know, it's just it's not like
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: they're they're have all this crazy motion with their run game.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: I mean a lot of times it's just they're just
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: running the zone.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Like they run a lot. They run a lot of
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: blockers in from the edges, and they have really good
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: job of Shanahan's great at this too, of setting up
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: angles for blockers, so like they don't have tight ends.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Just like take Jawan Bentley square right, They'll have him
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: come from like an angle and that allows him to
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: leverage the block a little bit easier. They're really good
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: at that in the Shanahan tree. But in general, with
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: the running game and just with the whole offense, I
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: thought that they were way over reactionary to some of
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: the motions and the different type of things that Miami
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: does with the window dressing and instead of just playing
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: your assignment and playing downhill in the run game, they
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: were worried about Okay, you know, now Tyreek's going in motion,
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: and a lot of the plays that they hit off
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: of the motions weren't to the person that went in motion.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: They were sending tyreek on those wheel motions, and then
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: two guys were jumping him and it was leaving what
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: you know, the guy openings in the middle of the
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: field or underneath when everybody is looking over at number ten.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: And I thought in the running game too, they're running
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: these like split flows and the tight ends are coming
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: up across or they're inserting, and everybody is just flowing
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: to the movement and it's leaving holes other places for
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: cutbacks and things like that. And it it just to
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: me this was a really poor game in for the
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: defense in terms of I discipline, like knowing where your
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: eyes are supposed to be and not getting lurd out
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: of gaps and Lord out of space.
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: I saw some plays though out of map who are
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: not many, maybe one or two, but just that seemed
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: to me like he was seeing it better, at least
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: from a few snaps that linebacker a little bit he had.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: You know, It's just.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: It's it's hard when you can't see you know, Bentley
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: defeat a block and you know then you see map
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: who just kind of you know, just get around to
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: guy using yeah, like running around blocks, you know that,
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: and so you know, you talk about the rookies intriguing
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: you a little bit that intriguing with map who I
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: still feel like White is he needs to understand how
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: to play within the defense. I think he's got a
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: lot of and I wanted to I'm glad you brought
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: White up.
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: Did you guys see like, did he take us? You know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: I don't want to say a step back, but was
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: quiet in this game?
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah he was?
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: I think so he made the game.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: He made one play where and this is one of
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: the frustrating, uh you know plays in terms of the tackling.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: He they ran like a zone sweep and to a
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: the snap is over to his head, so the ball
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: goes over to his head. Tua has to catch the
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: high snap and he hands it to the running back
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: and Keon White presses the guard ten yards into the backfield.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Those two things both happened, and the run still gains
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: seven yards. Ye, so Godshow had him the back initially,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: but it's Godshow with all this space and you have
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: this three hundred and thirty pound nose tackle trying to
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: chase the chicken with all this space to go in
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: sideline to sideline. He whiffs on him and then there's
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: just nobody else, and he and the back ends up
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: gaining on a play that should have been a four
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: yard loss.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: They gave up seven yards exactly. That's exactly what I'm
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: talking about.
• 47:55
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: It's just like he's all power. He can push the
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: guard ten yards in the backfield. But now he's disrupted
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: the integrity of the defense and it turns into a
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: big game. So I think he's going to be really good.
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: I just you know, it's it's that awareness of you know, knowing.
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: I wasn't saying that, like, oh, I'm really disappointed in
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: Keon White. I just was saying I didn't really notice
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: him much in this game.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Was he quiet? Was he blocked?
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: But you know, so you guys are get I mean
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: he did draw the draw the hold, right, Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: I drew trying to backdoor his own plays.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: It's I'd love to see him play more. I mean,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: I think that's that's him. Just get him on the
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: field more, get him more experience.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: You'll get more experienced. Eight five five pass five hundred
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: is the a ticket hout.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Line trying to bring it back positive.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll get more experience.
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: No listen, I'm I'm good with You got to be
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: positive about those three trios the least of the problems
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: right now, Can you.
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: Just tell you they have about forty eight least of
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: the problems, but they're going too.
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: If they had just hit three offensive picks last draft,
• 48:46
  Speaker 8: and you know, now we got three defensive picks, like
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: we would really be cooking.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: Can we just use Marty mop who correctly? Please one time.
• 48:53
  Speaker 10: I definitely think to your point, Mike, they're paying the
• 48:55
  Speaker 10: price for bad draft class and also bad free agencies.
• 48:59
  Speaker 10: Were you pick these players who, like I keep saying,
• 49:01
  Speaker 10: are off brand, they're not good enough, and now you're paying.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: The price for it.
• 49:05
  Speaker 10: And it's unfortunately now it's like they just have to
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: control they can control and do the best with what
• 49:09
  Speaker 10: they have.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Godshaw's the tough one. I mean, I think they've had
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: some hits.
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: I mean, Hunter Henry right now is resurgent, and I mean,
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: you just I can't imagine this offense without Hunter Henry
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: right now. But you know, it's just it's God Shot,
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: it's too much of the up and down with him,
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: you know. And I just I think, as I you know,
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: if I do look put my eye towards the future,
• 49:25
  Speaker 8: I feel like you.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Need a guy in the middle.
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: You need a big body, a big, dominant kind of
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: player in the middle.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: I just look at it.
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: It's like, you know the guys you're picking, right, So
• 49:34
  Speaker 9: you you take Godshaw as one of the free agents
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: and you give him some money, then you re up him,
• 49:38
  Speaker 9: and then you still take a Godshaw type player.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: In the second round. And I'm not saying ke On
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: White's bad.
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: I like Keon Wahite, no, you know, but I just
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: might they have been better off you know, taking a tackle.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: Oh, you mean, spreading out the assets to both sides
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: of the football.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Right, So this is.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Like from a big picture standpoint, they they're close to
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: what their vision of winning games is. They want to
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: win the game on defense.
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: No, they want they want to be tough against the run,
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: and they want to you know, make plays on special teams.
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: And you know, here we go super Bowl, Right, So
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: that doesn't work that way anymore in this league.
• 50:15
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: And they've held two really good offenses to twenty five
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: and twenty four points and twenty five of those you
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: know it was really eighteen.
• 50:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, for I would say absolutely check week one, not check.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: I don't disagree, But in terms of the actual outcome
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: of the game, of the points that Miami scored, they
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: scored twenty four. That should be in theory a winnable
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: game for the Patriots still only give up twenty four
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: points against an offense that scored thirty six the week before.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: But I think what it all boils down to, which
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: is what we've talked to about a ton in the
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: fourth quarter of these games, is that because they've used
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: all of these assets to bolster the defense to try
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: to win this way of you know, in the twenties,
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: with great defense and all this type of stuff, they
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: don't have players to make plays offensively when the when
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: the car are down in the fourth quarter. So now
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: you run into a situation where they're competitive in these
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: games because their defense is good, but they're not winning
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: games because they don't have enough on offense. But they
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: use all the resources on defense. Like all your top
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: three draft picks are on defense. Your highest played player
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: on the team is a defensive player. It's Matthew Judon.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: And at like what point do you have to look
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: at it and say, well, we still need to score,
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: like period, Like we can't win these We're not gonna
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: win seventeen to fourteen against a team like Miami.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: But against a team like the Jets, you might.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: You might get that one week reprieve.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: Right, this is gonna be Bill's favorite game of the year.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Anthony and Seattle. What's up, Anthony, Hey,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: what's up? Right?
• 51:42
  Speaker 13: What's up my people?
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Anthony?
• 51:45
  Speaker 13: Hey, I'm gonna be stubborn. I'm gonna hold out a
• 51:47
  Speaker 13: hope on my prediction. And uh, at least for just
• 51:50
  Speaker 13: two more games. Well, really, one more game. If we
• 51:52
  Speaker 13: lose to the Jets, it's over. If we lose to
• 51:55
  Speaker 13: the Jets and then we lose to the If we
• 51:57
  Speaker 13: beat the Jets and then we lose to the Cowboys,
• 52:00
  Speaker 13: over because you just can't be good teams. And but
• 52:03
  Speaker 13: I want to go off my test and and then
• 52:08
  Speaker 13: I'm gonna get.
• 52:09
  Speaker 14: Out of you guys, out of your hair.
• 52:10
  Speaker 13: But okay, we got Paul there and Evan there. So
• 52:14
  Speaker 13: Paul I saw a little bit of the teflon Mac
• 52:16
  Speaker 13: thing uh after this game, and you know what I
• 52:22
  Speaker 13: get it.
• 52:22
  Speaker 14: You know, I heard a whole lot of the you know, uh,
• 52:26
  Speaker 14: you know, we need wide receivers and we need you know,
• 52:30
  Speaker 14: uh uh uh offensive line.
• 52:32
  Speaker 13: And we got to run the ball better, and yeah.
• 52:36
  Speaker 14: You need all those things because he's not good enough,
• 52:40
  Speaker 14: Like you've got to surround him with all of that.
• 52:43
  Speaker 13: It's too hard, you know. And I get he's a
• 52:45
  Speaker 13: good kid. He works hard, he tries hard, so it's
• 52:47
  Speaker 13: it's you know, he says and does all the right things,
• 52:49
  Speaker 13: so it's easy to say, like, oh, it's not on him.
• 52:53
  Speaker 13: It's not his fault that he's not talented enough to
• 52:56
  Speaker 13: overcome some of that stuff.
• 52:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say that that that apps is happening
• 53:01
  Speaker 9: right now, But I don't think this is a Teflon
• 53:03
  Speaker 9: Mac game, like and I've been that that's like sort
• 53:06
  Speaker 9: of like a phrase that I sort of kind of used.
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: I wouldn't necessarily put this one. I think Mac did
• 53:13
  Speaker 9: about what you all you could really hope for given
• 53:16
  Speaker 9: the way that the game unfolded.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: I don't think he was perfect by any means. I
• 53:20
  Speaker 9: think the pick was atrocious. But I don't think this
• 53:24
  Speaker 9: would be a great Teflon Matt, even for like a
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: guy like on my side. This wouldn't be one of
• 53:29
  Speaker 9: those games like yeah, in like that game against Miami
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: when he like, No, this wouldn't be one of the
• 53:33
  Speaker 9: ones I would have in the holster.
• 53:36
  Speaker 13: Yeah, that that that pick though, That's that's one thing
• 53:38
  Speaker 13: I was going to get at. You know, Evan, I
• 53:40
  Speaker 13: didn't fight you too, uh too. I didn't fight back
• 53:42
  Speaker 13: on it last week when I when I brought it
• 53:44
  Speaker 13: up when he threw the one a booty that that
• 53:46
  Speaker 13: stopped the drive at the end. But like, I'm gonna
• 53:48
  Speaker 13: fight you on it this week because I'm like, it's that,
• 53:51
  Speaker 13: it's that jump ball that he liked. And here's like example, what.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Is he supposed to do? Like, who is he supposed
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: to throw it to down the field? Go ahead, go ahead,
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, here's the thing.
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: Okay, I'm gonna give you some examples. Okay, with Tyreek Hill,
• 54:05
  Speaker 13: the one that threw the tet Tyreek Hill, you got
• 54:08
  Speaker 13: two Alphas down there, Hill and Gonzo, so you can
• 54:12
  Speaker 13: look at that as fifty to fifty. The one with
• 54:14
  Speaker 13: the one that he threw the wattle, well, you got
• 54:16
  Speaker 13: one Outpha down there, so that's eighty twenty. So his
• 54:19
  Speaker 13: guy came down with it. But like, for some reason,
• 54:21
  Speaker 13: I wish that somebody had the kind of kind of
• 54:24
  Speaker 13: confidence in me that he has in Devonte Parker because
• 54:27
  Speaker 13: he believes there's two alphas down there when he sees
• 54:30
  Speaker 13: him and Zavian Hellerton.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: No, he doesn't see. To me, I don't think it
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: was about a mentality. It was a bad throw.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: It was a bad throw, and I'm not excusing the
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: bad throw. But at the end of the day, I
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: told you off the top of the show, they have
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: two plays over twenty yards thanks Anthony. Two plays, and
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: that's not because of the quarterback right now. The reason
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: why they have two plays over twenty yards is because
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: they ain't got anybody on the outside who can do
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: what Jalen Wattle did to Miles Bryant. That's That's just
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: the bottom line. I'm not going to sit here and
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: say that Mac Jones would be an MVP quarterback if
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: he had better weapons. I'm not saying that. But you say,
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: in that situation like he trusted DeVante Parker, who else
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: is he supposed to trust?
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: I would just say that all the criticism you want
• 55:11
  Speaker 9: to throw for that one individual play, you know, much
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: like Tua. I think you want to criticize Tua for
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: the pick go. I mean, terrible play, terrible decision, the
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: Mac pick on first and ten from the twenty two.
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: That's what you thought was your best chance. Like, okay,
• 55:27
  Speaker 9: you have one on one down that side. You know,
• 55:30
  Speaker 9: pre snap, I'm looking at whatever I see.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: You have to come off of that. You have to.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: I don't disagree because it he terrible all around. He
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: in general, he needs I agree with the caller that
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, that's not a matchup
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: that favors the Patriots and the quarterbacks got to know that.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: The quarterbacks got to know high that this is not
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: where I'm going to win this game. Is throwing it
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: t's X on the outside with Parker. That's not how
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: I'm going to win the game. But it would be
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: nice just to for Mac for a second. It would
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: be nice if his receiver every once in a while
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: made a play for him. That would be nice. And
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: Kendrick Bourne dropped a deep ball that he made a
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: good throw on Parker. Can't be that win that matchup.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: I agree with that, But one.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Time one the Bourne one, I think is in that category.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 56:17
  Speaker 9: I mean, I remember Hunter Henry reaching behind his head
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: to bring in a fourth and twelve pass, Like I
• 56:23
  Speaker 9: think this is where I sort.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: Of get a little bit too far. The other way.
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: So I think the Hunter Henry play, I don't think
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: you can throw it any better than Mac threw it
• 56:31
  Speaker 9: on that So I'm gonna I'm gonna leave this conversation
• 56:34
  Speaker 9: with a positive on Mac. I don't think Mack could
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: have thrown that deep ball to Kendrick Bourne any better
• 56:39
  Speaker 9: than he did. And and the fact that he put
• 56:40
  Speaker 9: one hand up.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 56:42
  Speaker 9: You know, we haven't gotten into this yet, like we
• 56:45
  Speaker 9: haven't gotten in any of the drama yet. I think
• 56:47
  Speaker 9: this drama bruin too like for him to not have played,
• 56:51
  Speaker 9: you know what, half half the plays after two touchdowns
• 56:54
  Speaker 9: the first week he plays half the snaps. Is that
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: just because his boy Parker's back and he has to
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: play one hundred percent of this apps? Or is it
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: because they didn't like the effort on some of those plays.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: His heart riding in week one was shaky, like some
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: good rounds.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Did you have to think of what Mac had to
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: say about you know, we have to it can't be
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: just a couple of us.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Us clarified that this morning. I didn't I didn't love it,
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: didn't hate it.
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: I would just say to it felt like they really
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: were purposeful and trying to get Juju involved.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: A lot of plays design specific me.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: So do you feel Harry Vibes were just force feeding
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: him even though he's not one of our better players.
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure he would have been a part of
• 57:35
  Speaker 9: the offense at all. If they didn't have to bench Douglas.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't didn't have to bench Douglas.
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: No, no, no, they they didn't have to bench Douglas. You
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: and I wouldn't have been bench Douglas. But the point being,
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: I think if Douglas doesn't fumble that I'm not sure
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  Speaker 9: you see much of Juju.
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  Speaker 8: If if that's what was interesting to me though, because
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  Speaker 8: it's like, were those plays designed for Douglas and then
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  Speaker 8: they just rolled them over to Juju or you know,
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  Speaker 8: I don't know, it just it seemed they were intentionally
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  Speaker 8: trying to get involved.
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  Speaker 9: I just mean, the best player that Juju was involved
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  Speaker 9: when was an evan off platform play, the role to
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  Speaker 9: the left and the Sideline. That wasn't a play designed
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  Speaker 9: for Juju. It was two guys making a play on
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  Speaker 9: the run.
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  Speaker 4: On the go.
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  Speaker 12: Everyone, a very pleasant, good evening and welcome to Foxboroughs
• 59:19
  Speaker 12: Gillett Stadium for this prime time encounter of New England Patriots.
• 59:23
  Speaker 12: M Miami Dolphins and AFC Beast showdown Stevenson's second down
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  Speaker 12: and twelve of.
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  Speaker 6: What's summing of Jones's sacked.
• 59:32
  Speaker 12: Three Dolphins get to the quarterback with a jail great
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  Speaker 12: lad by David Long Junior the x tight hit.
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  Speaker 16: Yet both tackles get lost here with the Blitz look
• 59:39
  Speaker 16: perfect timing by the Miami defense, Max's gonna have to
• 59:42
  Speaker 16: extend his count here a little bit.
• 59:45
  Speaker 12: Doutless motions to the right to join Yoseki. Two receivers
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  Speaker 12: stacked les Stevenson in the back of Flitzer's coming.
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  Speaker 6: A rush up.
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  Speaker 17: The moment cost little for Tubs.
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  Speaker 6: Pharsing us in mine off chuck down, Who's from behind?
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  Speaker 6: Stevenson dimes on it for New England initially, but then.
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  Speaker 12: The Dolphins taken a the Mario Douglass had the ball
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 12: chopped away from behind and it looked like romondre Stevenson
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 12: had a shot at it, diving car at the loose
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 12: ball before the Dolphins.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 17: Come away with a turnover by New England and.
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  Speaker 6: Then screen set up for Wattle right slat spreads past.
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  Speaker 16: The forties, speaks past the thirty across the twenty.
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  Speaker 12: Five as he stepped out of an ankle tackle and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 12: then lost his balance inside the twenty. Eventually hopped to
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 12: his feet and was pushed down by Devi and now
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 12: Marcus Jones is writhing in paid earlier in equipment issue
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  Speaker 12: for Jones.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: In this case it is an injury. Hot men in
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: motion left and then orbit.
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  Speaker 17: Motion into the Batchelor circles back to the right, a.
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  Speaker 12: Gift to Poster runs in the left, runs into the pylon.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 12: I'll hop into the end zone and a touchdown for Miami.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: Gonna get tough. You've gotta get the buy out. On
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: the right side, he's got collapse.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 16: I don't know about four times tonight Gonzales gets pinned
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 16: in right there, and this is Moster sets it up inside.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 16: He's pompstant. He's done us twice tonight. That's a hell
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 16: of a run by him. Poor job by your perimeter
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 16: trying to collapse that ende. You've been condensed down inside
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 16: multiple time.
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  Speaker 6: Side. Something's got to change.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: You need the personnel swarts.
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  Speaker 12: But again Otomid goes in motion to the right, the
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  Speaker 12: lion starts to block that way, and then most Are
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  Speaker 12: runs left.
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  Speaker 6: He say, let's to viking down inside. You can't you
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: can't you gotta stay home. Take the gap Attecrity. They
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: talked about it all week.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Stay in your spot.
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  Speaker 11: I'm a rookie Chad Ryland, come on kid, fourth round
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 11: pick from Maryland, who made two extra points last week
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  Speaker 11: with his first career field goal attempt from forty nine
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  Speaker 11: yards out near Hashmark Herringer.
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  Speaker 17: The fellow rookie knee down right hand.
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  Speaker 12: Extending, waits on the snap from Cardona, Joe snaps the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 12: back barringer holes Ryland swings the leg kick lifted to the.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: Up Riot heads fucking, but it's good.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 17: And his first career field goal and the Patriots are
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 17: on the board in a ten to three games.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: We want it turn on to go here in the
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: second how go buy a lot? Takes a snap, throws
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  Speaker 6: it right.
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  Speaker 17: By Hill at the goal line in front of file.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 17: Down here and toutch down Miami.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: One of the easiest drives you'll see all week.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 17: Have the Dolphins we have eleven sat against the spair
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 17: as they celebrating the.
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  Speaker 6: Unzone, stretching their lead to sixteen to three. You've got
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: picked a part.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 16: That everybody until you get down inside the five, then
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 16: you give it up an easy one.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 6: They will this isn't even about ocean of speed and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: hans off here. You don't even jamming him. He's he's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: he's on the line of scrimmage inside the five.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 16: It's gotta before we've got no jam on him, the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 16: most dynamic receiver.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: You don't champ him.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 17: He takes the staff, he dropped back.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 12: He looks down vy Sackoo Jay was there for the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 12: Patriots along with Judog Matt. Judea will celebrate in the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 12: red sleeves. Another sack, his second in his many winks.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 16: Shoo Jay in the middle, foot Cha in the middle.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 16: Make him more athletic, get him over to the center. Now,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 16: all of a sudden, you start looking at where we
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 16: don't have a got a block. Now it's a little guy.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 16: That's jude On off the back edge. But man, you
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 16: push the pocket here ouj tries to get the swim move.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 16: He got up under the guard and it's him a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 16: jude On. He's teaming up on ta.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: Tag of my loaf from the gulch cloister to his left.
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  Speaker 6: Takes a snap. The blots are coming. I throw across.
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  Speaker 17: I'll take away and.
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  Speaker 12: Buy dugger a good play on a throw that gos
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 12: there for as you come a streaking across the middle,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 12: Kyle able to drop knock it away. Jason Sanders most
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 12: accurate field goal kicker in Miami history.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 6: The Dolphins have had a good lineage of kickers.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 12: Joe said, He's forty nine yard try from the far
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  Speaker 12: hash right hash towards the now and flows north end
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  Speaker 12: toward the lighthouse, snaps to Bailey.
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  Speaker 6: The kick is stack by Schooler.
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  Speaker 12: The ball is losing to forty five step by the
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  Speaker 12: angling Dugger recovers on a block by Brendan Schooler.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: The patrons take over at the Miami forty nine.
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  Speaker 16: That kick the game changer right there. What a judge
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 16: by Schooler on this. We saw it from up here,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 16: untouched from the left side, left defensive side. He turns
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 16: that corner gets there, man, it just might be the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 16: break that you need.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 12: Max dans In throws it right and I'm all gonna
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 12: be kicked off by Howard, fronting DeVante, Parker and Exam
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 12: and Howard comes up with another interception for Miami.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: I don't what are they talking about. There's nothing what
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: they're trying to converse? Where the officials took their fourty
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: yard on Yeah, they stepped out of it on the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: field because an interception.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Oh now, Miami time out.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: Remember golf for the first two Japan about forty five
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  Speaker 6: trips to the left.
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  Speaker 12: Now he'll Springsiang Slam, baked by Tango by.
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  Speaker 6: Lord, chased by Judi.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 17: Unload the deep ball down the left side.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 12: Right now, it's gonna be a setting lifting gun Dallas, the.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 17: Rookie fix it up the bay.
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  Speaker 6: She had to take over ten to fifteen.
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  Speaker 16: I'm sorry, Tyreek Hill is going forward at the snaps.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 16: This has happened about three times tonight. They do so
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 16: much of it that the referees fall asleep. I want
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  Speaker 16: to play by Gonzalez, ad jump ball, Wait to catch
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  Speaker 16: it at the highest point, kid, big moment for him
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  Speaker 16: right there.
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  Speaker 12: Wow, Christian Gonzalez, the rookie first round pick. Where a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: forty one and a half bene berda coen my pointing it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 12: That's the second time in as many weeks that Gonzales
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 12: has come up with a big play for the Patriots.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 12: Last week it was a fourth down breakup against the Eagles.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 12: Now the Dolphins have a chance to distance themselves from
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 12: the past. First and ten from the forty three forward
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 12: cams it off to most sprints straight.
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  Speaker 17: I had it.
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  Speaker 12: He's gone because that's one story to the ten to
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 12: the upside like that touch down Miami.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: For going forward at the motion.
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  Speaker 6: I'm telling you the hell the run by.
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  Speaker 1: Moster increased it.
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  Speaker 16: His side angle again at this I'm showing it from
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 16: the rear angle here on NBC. But they're moving forward
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 16: at the step with the potion. It's about four or
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  Speaker 16: five times the forty three yards. No chance to catch
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 16: him in the open field. Sanders comes on for the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 16: point after trial from the two.
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  Speaker 17: White hash marks, stamping a handoff.
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  Speaker 6: Stevens and tucks the Shoulders runs up.
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  Speaker 17: Coming a lot is getting to the end zone. Touchdown Adrians.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 16: Quarterbacks trying to fall here, man, I mean these last
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 16: two drives are all on Mac all on Mac keeping places,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 16: multiple plays alive under duress, tackle for breaking down.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: He's stepping out of the pocket and you need him.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: You need him tonight. He's somewhat carrying you. So the
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  Speaker 6: Patriots are out of timeouts exactly six six.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 12: Sick up another contestic catch in the game on the
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  Speaker 12: line right there, four and three from the thirty three.
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  Speaker 12: We get dregs left and putting the two Ton ends
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  Speaker 12: stack two receivers right joints. Jones steps forward to identify
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 12: the protections. Now he takes the step, he back pedals.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 12: He's pressured up, he said. He throws into the air
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 12: side finger tip catch by Kasiki's reaching out laterals it back.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 17: Pop by Strange. He's wrapped up.
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  Speaker 16: He drives col tacklers will put across the thirtieth to
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  Speaker 16: the twenty nine.
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  Speaker 6: Seemingly when the first down gonna clock. It got a claw.
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  Speaker 17: Handred's gotta get to the line of scrimmen.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 12: Want a heads up, Blake and with forty seconds ago,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 12: kaz Sicki trying to reach out with a biger tip
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  Speaker 12: catch and put the.
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  Speaker 16: Ball across the line again and then plateral's back the
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 16: Strange your.
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  Speaker 6: First down on the further review, he knew he didn't
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: have a play official. We'll take another look.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 12: We want to catch by Strange and then turning and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 12: then turning forward kiss and he lands across the thirty
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  Speaker 12: yard line.
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  Speaker 1: Have the review.
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  Speaker 4: The runner was down, sort of playing the game.
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  Speaker 5: The nine line the one.
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  Speaker 6: I did.
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  Speaker 12: Thirty two seconds one last time, Tunguo I loa to
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  Speaker 12: the knee. He is now five to zero against the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 12: Patriots as the Miami Dolphins starting quarterback.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: The Dolphins atop the ANC East.
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  Speaker 12: The Patriots now were their first and two stars since
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 12: two thousand and one. They've got to go to New
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 12: York next week to play the Jets and that defense.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been since two thousand and one since the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Patriots started oh and two, but we all know what
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: happened that season. Yeah. True, but that's got hurt.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that is word for word what my was on
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: a main radio station. He said, you know that one
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: turned out pretty well? Said yeah, LEDs got hurt and
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 9: Brady came in and saved the day.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Let's get to the phones. Eight five to five, Pats
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  Speaker 1: what's up?
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  Speaker 18: Hey, guys, thanks for taking the call again, no problem.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 18: So many things to talk about this game, right, and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 18: you've covered a lot of them. I know you've briefly
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 18: touched on the defense. On that side of things, I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 18: think good teams on defense make the offense win different ways,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 18: and the offense is called that bluff when they're good.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 18: So credit to the Dolphins there. Maybe things would have
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 18: been different if John Jones could have played and they
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 18: could have manned up one of those guys. You know,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 18: I think the story is just on the offense. I'll
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 18: give you a little something to chew on, where no
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 18: further than the box score first three quarters seven possessions
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 18: zero three zero in the box score, and it just
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 18: has to be better than that. For many of the
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 18: reasons you guys are pointed out. I think the most
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 18: important ones maybe those formations. Smack seems to succeed the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 18: most in shotgun and then they can't run the ball
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 18: because no one's scared of him passing when they're in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 18: the you know, in the eye or the single back.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 18: So that's all I got, all right.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Thanks Tony.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he's right about the starts, like you can't just
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 9: give away possession after possession, and that's what they're doing.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick writes in mass Native Living in Dolphin Country
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: and the Florida Keys super frustrated like everyone else. Seems
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: like the whole world knew we needed a receiver an
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: O line upgrade, and Bill did nothing about it. Got
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: to think we'd be at least one in one if
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: that had happened. Anyway, we're owing two and the sky
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: is falling. But taking a step back. If you're owing
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: two and I told you the teams you lost to,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: both by one score were both going to end up
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: in the conference championship game at the end of the season,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: would you feel better about it?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Ask yourself, how far fetched is it that that's really
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: actually what happens.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not speaking for you guys, but no,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: it would not make me feel better because that's kind
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 9: of a confirmation of what I've been thinking. They can't
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 9: stack up against the good teams.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, they don't need to end up in
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: the conference championship for me to believe that those two
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 8: offenses are really good. I mean, I think Philadelphia didn't
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 8: play that great. They didn't probably play up to what
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 8: they really are going to be. But Miami did play great,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 8: So I mean I do think that there's something just
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 8: to be said that, look, the first two games out
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: of the gate, you played arguably two of the best
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 8: offenses and most unique offenses.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: In the league.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 8: And not to make excuses, they need to be better
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 8: against those teams, like Paul said, but you know, those
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 8: are two really really tough, tough teams to match up
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: right out of the gate.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: So you know, take it for what it is. Is
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: there's no excuses. They got to be better this week
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: against an offense that's not going.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: To be what those two offenses.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: They also made some really really good in game adjustments
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: defensively in this game. They came out and zoned three
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: high safety and Tua just picked them apart, and they
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: they really went away from that and completely changed their
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: game plan and basically just trusted their guys to play
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: their usual style of defense after that and make plays
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: on the outside, which for the most part, they did.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: And I thought that the adjustments were really what held
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: Miami to twenty four points. If they had kept what
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: to do and what they were doing at the beginning
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: of the game, then Miami would have scored forty.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 9: So you don't think poor execution did that like maybe,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 9: I mean, I mean they missed two field goals, the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 9: second one after you drop a snap for no reason,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 9: like it's third in less than a yard. You drop
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 9: a snap and then you have to kick a fifty
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: five yard field goal and that's why you miss it.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were otherwise like perfect.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: I mean it's it's like any team perfect the whole
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: game with everything, like you know, you do some mistake.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 9: Like I would push back against the perfect. I think
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 9: they dropped passes. I think they missed some plays, and
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: I think the one that you were talking about with
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 9: Tyreek Hill, to me, I think could have been a
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 9: big play. I think the Patriots did enough to hang
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: on defensively. Yeah, that's the probably the best compliment I
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 9: can give the Patriots defensively is they did enough to
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 9: hang on. But I think the same performance is generally.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 9: I think they allowed a thirty point game. I think
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 9: the other team, you know, not being prepared and missing
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 9: out on special teams cost them six points minimum. I
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 9: would say even more because I think the fumbled snap
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 9: was like that can't happen, Like that's not not playing perfect,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 9: that's playing I wanted. I knew I had something I
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: wanted to ask you guys. I random stream of consciousness
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: in the I don't know if you guys saw this,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 9: but in the game book, after the fourth down, the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 9: lateral play, there was fifty one seconds left and there
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 9: was two kneel downs. One of them says fumble play aboarded.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: Did he fumble another snap?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: He did?
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they talked about de Marcus Covington talked about it.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: They were talking about that's why you hit the center,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: even on kneel downs, because you never know what's going
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: to happen. Yeah. I didn't get it, but yeah, he
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: did fumble it.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: But I'm not trying to say that the defense.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 9: No, I wasn't suggesting that you did. I was just
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: saying I think that the adjustments were wherever.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: I think the defense played well enough, But.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: I don't I do.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 9: I think if you play like that against that offense,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 9: you're gonna lose nine times out of ten. I think
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 9: you're going to get thirty on you nine times out.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: I think if you play like that with the way
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: that you need to win football games, and that's all
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: they could do, that's all they could do, right what
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: they did. I agree, But I think at the bottom
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: line is is you gave up twenty four points and
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: you needed twenty five to win, and they can't score
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: twenty five, right, like, and that's the band plan.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: I would say this is where I'm going to be
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: on Pro Patriot.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 19: Like.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 9: I think that they played him the only way you
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: can possibly play them. You can't let them run free
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 9: and throw bombs, and they didn't.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I think that Jonathan jones injury was tough, and it
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: just shows the depth. They don't have a lot of depth.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: It's a house of cards had a lot of spots,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: so when.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: One guy like that goes down, it really does affect
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: really Like.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: The only position group that I feel fine about regardless
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 9: is safety. I think that they can lose the safety
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 9: or two. I wouldn't want to see dugg Er leave,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 9: but I think that if you put Adrian Phillips into
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 9: a bigger role, there's not a huge drop off. Jalen
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 9: Mills and Adrian Phillips haven't played a ton in the
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 9: first two games. I feel fine with those guys on
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 9: the field.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: Phillips seems like he's more special teams right now. Cody
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 8: Davis out, I mean, it seems like that's kind of
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 8: what his role has transitioned to, being kind of the core.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: Twhy I had them on my surprise cut list.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: If you recall to be fair though to them at corner,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: they're now down all three Joneses. Yeah, so yeah, take
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: you take away three corners from anybody's cornerback room, and
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: you're going to start to have some depth issues.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Right Sam and Halifax. I really like the postgame podcast
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: and Evans upon further review, right up, I found them
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: both to be well balanced and informative. I definitely catch
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: myself falling into the mac apologist camp at times, and
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I'll say that so far this season, I think Mac
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: has been good ish. He's had some plays that definitely
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: stand out compared to his first two years, I feel,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: especially given some of the old line issues and skill
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: position players on the field, but with some real bad
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: throws in both games that just make you question his arm.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: My question is to do with the benching of Pop Douglas.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: You discussed your thoughts postgame about the benching rookies after
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: fumbling rule. Bill has and question it given Douglas' skill
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: set compared to the other guys out there. Bill has
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: lots of these quirks. Is this unwritten rule or behavior
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: the most frustrating or does something else come to mind?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 9: No, the mostrust drafting that he thinks that running the ball,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: playing good special teams is the formula to success.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: There's plenty, there's plenty of that.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, I just think it's unfortunate if they did
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: have all those plays kind of planned for Pop Douglas and.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: Then they ended up going to Juju.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: What what different place?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: You know, like, how many if you had gotten Pop
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: Douglas that many touches? I mean that what did Juju
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: end up with? I mean just a couple of five catches.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: Twenty eight yards? You know, might you might have got
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: a little something I would have liked to see popping that.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't, But I just like I'm gonna give
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 9: them a little defending Again. I don't think the plan
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 9: was that, like you fall down seventeen to three, you're
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 9: chasing two scores the entire second half, you're game plan.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: And I even think some of those plays to Juju
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 9: weren't necessarily is not like we got to get Juju
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 9: the ball. There was that little bubble screen that was yep,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 9: and that was to me, that's a to Mario Douglas.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Play Tony writes, saying, I feel like channeling my inner
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Andy Hart channeling his inner Edward G. Robinson and the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Ted Commandments. Who is your Messiah?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: Now's yeah? I seen Andy credit for that.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I seem to recall the great Billy O'Brien had some
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: guy at quarterback, Edward Brady or Patrick who won the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: AFC East Division and even the AFC Championship prior to
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: the great offensive coordinators arrival. Oh, he might have even
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. I think even the Great Billy
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: O'Brien needs players, including an O line, to execute his plays.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: It's all about the players, or at least a very
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: large part, and the Patriots simply don't have the players,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: haven't had them for a few years and won't for
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: a while.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: I agree with the emailer, like I said at the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: top of the show, it's the same pig with nicer
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: shoes and nicer lipstick on it, Like it's the same
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: personnel in terms of the middling personnel. It's just that
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: Billy Oh is better at designing an offense than Matt Patricia.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: He makes it look better.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, But to Evan's point, and if you don't want
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 9: to depress yourself, don't do this exercise.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: I did take the numbers from last year on average
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: per game, and then look at the numbers from this year.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: You will not like what you see.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say, I don't do that. I don't
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: look at any numbers.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: They don't.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: Don't do it, don't do it.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: Defend them. They have been better situationally, third down in
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: red zone they have, and it looks better.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 9: And I would totally say, like I know that, you
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 9: know sometime, like you know, oh sure, all the totally
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 9: subjective things are better.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: No, I'm watching. It looks better. They have a plan,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: they have a design. Do I agree with every play call?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 20: No?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 9: There was that run that we talked about in the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 9: post game show to Ezekiel Elliott.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Coming out of the two minute wanting. I just saw wanting.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: I turned into my mother.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 9: That was an atrocious call. That was a waste of
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 9: a play. The quarterback sneaks on second one wasted downs
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 9: in my opinion. So I'm not telling you this guy
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 9: knows what he's doing and Matt Patricia didn't. But I'm
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 9: just saying the results are what they are because that's
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 9: what the person.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I am going to say. He knows what he's doing.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: And Patricia didn't, but still you need the players. You
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: need the players Rick and Dallas. I feel like the
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Patriots have been repeating the same cycle the last few years.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: They start the season with a solid defense but no
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: game changers on offense, lose games the last minute, which
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: gives everyone hope when just enough games, doing large part
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: to superior coaching from Bill Belichick, to miss out on
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: high draft picks and finish the season eight to nine
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: or nine and eight. Then in the offseason they avoid
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: big name free agents, use their early round draft picks
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: on defense, and let their best players walk without resigning.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Then they start the process all over again. Honestly, I
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: don't see anything changing anytime soon. I hate being so pessimistic,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: But do any of you see anything changing? I am
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: looking or am I looking at this the wrong way?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 10: I feel like something has to change, Like if they
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 10: are like under five hundred this year because of this
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 10: personnel issue has to change. Whether it's coaches, whether it's
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 10: more than that, who knows, but something has to change,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 10: Like you can't just continue to just be eyeing when
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 10: you're coaching to take you farther than what It can't
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 10: it can't.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: It's just it's such a difficult thing for me because
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: they have a floor every single year. They have a
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: floor because Bill Belichick is their head coach. Like they
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: are not going to stink because Bill is their coach,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: and they're going to be in a lot of games
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: that Frankly, Miami has a lot more talent than they
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: do on their roster. But they hung in there and
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: they were incompetitive in the game, I think because of
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: the system, because of the fundamentals from because of the coaching.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, like Paul was saying, he
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: wants to he still thinks running the ball in defense
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: and special teams is going to win football games in
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty three and it's not. So that's where Bill
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: holds his own self back. But like it, I feel
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: like this is always in a pretzel with me. It's
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: like they're good because of Bill Belichick, but they're also
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: bad because of Bill Belichick, and which Bill do we
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: care more?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 10: Morre and right now with this, they're just gonna have
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 10: a bunch of moral victories where they're gonna be like,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 10: to your point, Miami's roster is really good and we
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 10: held them to this cool, but you still lost.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 9: And it's going to be a bunch of What worries
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 9: me is that he thinks that way. Like I agree
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 9: with what Evan said, I thought, like I said, the
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 9: game plan defensively, I thought was a good one. I
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 9: thought the offensive game plan by Miami was better. But
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 9: the reason that I worry is I think he takes
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 9: a game like that and says, did you see what
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 9: I did?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: That high flying that putting No. Thirty six on us?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: But I would say, what's the difference?
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: He still lost?
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 9: Like you think that the way to win games now
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 9: is holding those teams below their average and you can win,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 9: but you can if you can't score. And this is
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 9: going on now, three plus years of not really being
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 9: able to score with those offenses. He thinks it's great
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 9: because those offenses not getting their career nights against me.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: And you also look at what we were talking about
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: this earlier, what he said postgame. Somebody asked him postgame,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: why do you think you guys have gotten off the
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: slow starts and gotten yourself into these holes? And he
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: said turnovers, right, that they turned the ball over too much.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: And on the surface, I can see what he's saying.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, just because maybe you don't
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: throw pick six against Philadelphia? Are you gonna score? Like,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: you're probably gonna There was like a minute left in
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: the third quarter when they turned the ball over the
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: second time. They had one fumble on the second series
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: of the game. That's why you fell behind seventeen to three, right,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: because the Dolphins then went like eighty five yards off
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: of that fumble. Right, Which is another thing that's not
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: exactly like not all turnovers are created equals, you know,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: like sometimes you give up a fumble.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 9: Okay, maybe you took points off the board. Maybe you
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 9: would have got a field goal there and ends up
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 9: being a ten point swing, but you can still stop them. Yeah,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 9: liked't they didn't go that touchdowns right because of the
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 9: fumble to him. Those are their margins though, right, are
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: like if we don't if we don't turn the ball over,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 9: we don't throw an interception. You know, where is that
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 9: the twenty three years something like that that macked through
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 9: the interception of Parker.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: Terrible.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: If you don't have those two turnovers, Like even if
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: you give give give us ten points on those two drives,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: a field goal and a touchdown because of two turnovers,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: there's the game, right, And that's the way that he's
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: presenting it. At least I don't know if that's actually
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: how he feels, but that's the way.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 9: I think that is how he feels, and I think
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 9: he completely ignores those plays from the other side. Yeah,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 9: like I said, with the fumbled snap, which had nothing
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 9: to do like to me, at least the Brendan school
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 9: of blocked field goal, that's entirely on the Patriots. Wonderful scheme,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 9: even better execution to block a field goal, fumbling a
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 9: snap on third and an inch when they get the
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 9: inch and the game is over and they're just gonna
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 9: be you have to use your timeouts now, and now
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 9: you're gonna end up kneling on the ball. That's the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 9: only reason why you got the ball back, not because
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 9: of some wonderful play that they made. He doesn't look
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 9: at it that way.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Though, Colin Denver, I feel like you need to refocus.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: So here goes my rant, and I mean it with
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: the best intentions. Members of the show spend the majority
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: of last week being defend of their takes on the
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Patriots rather than talking about the Dolphins. Why did you
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: even mention Van Ginkl, Xavier Howard or vic Fangio barely
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: any mention of Armstead being out. I come here to
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts on the last week's game on Tuesday,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: in a preview of the next week's game on Wednesday
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: and Thursday. Let's complaining about people calling you negative on Twitter.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: More football, please.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: You didn't listen to Catch twenty two.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 9: Also Thoughts on Hill, he also didn't listen to the
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 9: first hour. I don't think anybody talked about being defensive
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 9: about their takes.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: The whole first hour was strictly football the game.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 9: Also, Thoughts and Mike talked about vic Fangio's too deep defense.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Thoughts on Hill, of all people calling Patriots fan terrible
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: people ironic, don't you think?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: Oh so now we care about what other people say.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: Right now you know how it works, and he is
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: a terrible person.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Let's see Jack and and Aba as a fundamental At
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: a fundamental level, football reduces to a basic proposition, can
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: your guy philosophically defeat brute force, speed, quickness, or guile
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: the man across the line of scrimmage from him. After
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins game, we can see that the Patriots simply
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: aren't good enough to beat the guys across the line
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage. How did the Patriots end up in this predicament?
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: How did the Patriots get out of this predicament draft better? Yeah?
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: I think you just have to get It's funny, you know,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: I wonder, you know, like he game it out a
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: little bit.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 8: You know, it's funny you kind of stuck with with
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 8: Bill and his floor and you know, I just I wonder, like,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 8: you know, when they finally do turn it over and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 8: you know it might be a couple of rough years
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 8: as you're you know, trying to rebuild the roster and
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 8: in the mold of the new head coach, how how's
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 8: that gonna fly? How are three four win seasons gonna
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 8: fly during the during the rebuild.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: Not I'm not saying this to say we can't fire,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: hes gonna get just so you know.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 9: I say I would not say a three or four
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 9: win season is acceptable with with the new coach, Like
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 9: why what you know, why.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: Do you have to do that?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 9: Like those are the teams, but those are the teams
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 9: that are sort of losing purpose that win three and
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 9: four games like Arizona.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: It just is a question of again, you know what
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: I said, this is the mental pretzel. I walk myself
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: into all the time, is that he's the reason why
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: you have this like eight or nine win floor, but
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: he's also the reason why you're you know, he's holding
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: them back in other areas. And it goes back to
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: Paul's you know, just said change philosophy. That's how they're
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: going to get out of this. And at what point
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: in time is he going to look at not just
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: like the game evolving and all that kind of stuff,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: but just look at every single week the Patriots go
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: into the matchup and they have an offense that is
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: worse than the offense that they are facing just in
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: terms of personnel every week last week, how many Eagles
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: do you draft in a draft on offense before you
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: draft the first Patriots offensive player?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: Oh god, probably at least eight or nine when you.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: Think about the quarterback, the two receivers Dallas got right,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: and probably the offense probably all five offense, maybe four
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: out of five offensive line. So at what point are
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: we going to look at it? And and the Eagles
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: have done this while also still maintaining a good defense,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: Like it's not like the Eagles defense is crap because
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: they've spent all of their resources on offense, and then
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: you go into net last week and they have two
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: all world receivers that are in a different ballpark than
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: anybody on your roster. And at what point do you
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: look at that and say, we need to also load
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: up like this, like we need to have better playmakers
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: on the outside. I mean, this week they got Garrett Wilson.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: The Patriots don't have anybody that's as good, anywhere close
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: to as good as Garrett Wilson.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 8: That's why it's the draft, you know, I mean, look
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 8: at you know, look what Philly did. I mean, it's
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 8: you know, it's right there staring in the face. They
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 8: weren't you know, it wasn't we have an average quarterback.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 8: Let's go, you know, break the bank and just try
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 8: to get an amazing receiver with them. They had a
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 8: good team in place, and they said, hey, we feel
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 8: like we're one player away. Let's go get aj Brown.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 8: You know, they had things in place around him already
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 8: that you know, fostered that success. But I mean, so
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 8: I'd love to see the numbers just on how many.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 9: Guys they've drafted and play themselves well and for like
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 9: the last majority for Philly specific to the point that
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 9: you guys are just making They didn't. They feel like
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 9: they have some weapons on offense, right with with Smith
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 9: and Brown and Goddard to go with the running game. Well,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 9: they didn't then take the draft this year and say,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 9: you know what we need, Let's get another receiver, another
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 9: running back. What does Bill do? But we're pretty good
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 9: on defense, so let's go out and get three defensive
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 9: players with the first three picks. And I don't I
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 9: don't mind any of the three picks. If you told
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 9: me that those three guys are the players, I'd say,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 9: oh yeah, I mean I'm less convinced on Mapu, but
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 9: Keon White and especially Christian Gonzales, I'm fine with those picks.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 9: But might you have been better served to maybe take
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 9: one of those three guys and then grab a tackle
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 9: and maybe you're not dealing with this, you know? And
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 9: I watched that kid play again last night for Cleveland.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 9: He does not look out of place at Alton jan Johnson. Yes,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 9: and that was a fourth round pick, right.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well he fell because it's yeah fourth round, yep.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: So you had opportunities to get that guy.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: They drafted, uh, Jake Anders.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: And then Vederian Lowe's not playing Jake Andrews.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 9: One.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 5: I don't get they drafted Jake Andrews. I think there's
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: first Their first pick of the fourth round is Jake
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: Andrews if I'm not mistaken, and Dwan Jones went like
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: three picks later.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: So I think that argument.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 9: But the Eagles, the Eagles took like they said, okay,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 9: we have we have enough around Jalen Hurts. Now let's
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 9: you know, we're gonna be losing some guys in defense,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 9: and that defense is definitely in transition. They're struggling in
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 9: the early going, but they get you know, the kid
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 9: who falls into their lap because of you know, the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 9: the driving thing at Georgia. He's been really good, right,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 9: He's been really good the first.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: Couple of weeks.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 9: And you know, of course Nikobe Dean gets hurt again
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 9: because that's what he did in college. But you can
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 9: still see what they're trying to add defensive players because
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 9: they feel pretty good about the offenses.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 8: It's the perfect example because it's like David Andrews, one
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 8: of your captains, one of your best players. They drafted
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 8: a center, like you know, and even when you're there
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 8: in day four, like you know, day three, like round four,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 8: like there's still good players available.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: Jones had had to have been off their draft board.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: For the reasons why he fell to the It's a
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: great question because he he was a top fifty talent
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: in the draft, no question, no question, and he fell
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: all the way to the fourth round because of work
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: ethic issues. I think I had heard a report that
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: he was telling teams that he actually would rather have
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: been in the NBA instead of the NFL. But he
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: weighs three hundred and eighty pounds, so the NBA wasn't
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: going to happen, so he just decided to pull on.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: A Caleb Williams. Yeah, I don't like the situation there.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: I don't want to go this much.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he he was just he interviewed really oddly, Like
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: he just said some weird things in interviews.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: And my backup professional career now if I can't, you know,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: I've got options. We six ' eight.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 10: I just think at one point, at what point are
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 10: you going to be willing to evolve? Like I was
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 10: doing a panel with Matthew Slater and one of the
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 10: questions was, like, with being a great leader and wanting
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 10: to maintain your level of success, you also have to
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 10: be willing to evolve in order to be able to
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 10: still be able to be competitive, which your competition that
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 10: is chasing after you. And now it's like your competition
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 10: is not chasing you, they're surpassing you because you're not
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 10: You're not evolving at all. You're thinking, like, my coaching
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 10: is good enough. I don't need to evolve. Even though
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 10: the NFL is changing, They're way faster, quarterbacks are different.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 10: I'm going to continue to do things the way I'm
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 10: used to doing it. And it's like you can't continue
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 10: to do that.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 8: I mean, I just wonder if it's coming for all
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 8: as old men, if we're all going to be setting
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 8: our ways and.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: This is so it is.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 9: Maybe that's why it bothers me so much, because I
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 9: know it's I'm looking in the mirror, right, I mean,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 9: who's more set in their ways than me?
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: But I think it's psy frustrating about it. From from
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: for Bill is he evolves on defense, on defense schematically,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: they are very very ahead of the curve like they
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: they were first of all. Like I know that some
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: people don't like give him the credit, but I personally
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: think that Bill Belichick invented the moneybacker. Patrick Chunk came
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: back from his first failed stin and they made him
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: like a hybrid linebacker safety, and he invented a position
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: for that type of player, because.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 9: I can tell you he was been trying to do
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 9: that for a lot longer before that, right, But me,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 9: Tank Williams, who's the agent he brought Adrian Phillips over
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 9: for Adrian Wilson.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Who's the guy that they drafted with Pete Carroll. He
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be that nick Uh what do they
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: call it?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: You're talking about the elephant?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: No, no, not the elephant, yeah, no, no, no, no,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: it was oh shoot, my wife babysat for his kid.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: A couple. Who was the safety that we brought in,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: the big nickel?
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: Oh Victor Green?
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, that Victor.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: You know, just so you know, I just went we
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: drafted this guy.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: Oh come on, you remember, come on, Paul, Remember he
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be the big nickel, a big, big guy,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: big Bucky Jones to Bucky.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: Jones, and they and Bill took to Bucky Jones and
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: Wade him a good player on the first Dynasty teams.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: And so he he brought Patrick chunk back, and he
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: recognized that tight ends were turning into legitimate pass catchers
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: and they weren't gonna be able to just put linebackers
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: on tight ends anymore. That those guys are gonna be
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: receivers now. And they made Chung a tight end stopper,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: and and that's how that position evolved. They this three
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: safety look is something that teams do in college against
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: air raid teams. They this is a tight front with
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: a three safety look is a college thing. And Bill
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: just did it for the first time maybe as an
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: NFL team that I've ever seen on Sunday night. So
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: he evolves defensively, he drafts guys, you know, like Dugger
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: and Marty Mapu and these guys that can play these
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: hybrid roles, and he's got all these different blurring lines.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: But offensively, they just they just don't They they just
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: don't keep up with the times.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 17: And I just.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: But it's not it's not that he can't.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: I think it has to do with personalities. I think
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: it has to do with money.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: And well, that's dumb. I'm giving him more credit than that.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think it's like, you know, control of
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: the locker room. Who's going to be loyal to me.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: Those are all the wrong reasons.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just telling I think that all plays if.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 9: You're really interested in doing what's in the best interest
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 9: of the team, those kinds of things shouldn't even fact.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: But I think in his mind, money is and who's loyalty.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: I've got guys on my team that you know, it's
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: all me, me, me, me me. That's not going to
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: be good for the team. I think he feels that way,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: you know. And I think there's certain players that he
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: tries to avoid, you know, guys he doesn't want to
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: coach in that car.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 9: Would you describe Travis Kelcey like that, I would. I
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 9: think he's sort of a spotlight guy, wants all the attention.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: So it was Gronkowski but you know, lately.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: But I don't know. I don't know. I don't hate
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey all that much.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 9: I'm not telling I didn't. I didn't ask you if
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 9: you hate it, but I don't. I think that he's
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 9: sort of like in that category, one of these guys.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean he doesn't work hard.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if Tyreek Hill works hard. I
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: think he's not.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about Kelsey.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 9: No, but I'm saying, like, what is like, why would
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 9: a coach openly say I don't want that because of what?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: Because he's too good?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 9: Like he's gonna be good, He's gonna be good, and
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 9: he's gonna want attention. Like no, like if you think
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 9: that he's good. Now, no one wants a lazy player
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 9: who doesn't work hard. No one wants that at any position.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 9: I don't think it's better to have a linebacker who
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 9: doesn't work hard than it is to have an offense.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's less like you know,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: the like outgoing personality more than if he doesn't get
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: his touches, he's gonna complain.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: So what you know, it's your job to keep that
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: on the rest.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: I know, but I think there was a little if
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: he's good enough too, he should be getting the touches regardless, right.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: But I think it was probably in all seriousness.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 9: And I know I don't like Tyreek Hill, so it's
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 9: probably gonna come off as well, you just don't like him.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 9: I think there was an element of that with those
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 9: comments the other night about the fans. You know he's
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 9: got that he you know he I think he had
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 9: a huge impact on the game with his presence, but
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 9: he probably looks at it saying, I gotta get mine
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 9: five or forty in a touchdown, I gotta get.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: Mine, you know, And these fans are yelling at me.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: They're nasty.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: By the way, I wanted to ask another question. I
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: have to stream of consciousness. It's just coming here. He
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: said the quote they were saying things that I wouldn't
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: say in church.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 10: So badly wanted to quote tweet that and be like, what.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 9: Would you say in church that you wouldn't be comfortable
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 9: saying outside of church?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: Also?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: Right would you say it?
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 20: Like?
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 10: Also would you be comfortable going in church and breaking
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 10: your child's arm and beating your wife?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not getting into that.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: I'm crazy.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: What like to me when I went to church? I
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: was on my bes.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: He missed the analogy. What he meant to say is
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: he said things.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: Or something like that, but he said church.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: I said church because he messed it up.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 10: I just like I did not like how he was
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 10: acting like he was holier than that, Like he's the
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 10: wrong person to be doing that. Now, if Matthew Slater
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 10: said that and said they were saying things to me
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 10: that you know you wouldn't stay in church.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: Sure, but no I would.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 9: I would say the same thing, it doesn't make sense, Matthew.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 9: The only difference is I would have an opportunity to
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 9: go up to Matthew and say, Matthew.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: What did that mean?
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: You bring up a good point? There passed metaphor.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: A lot of hot dog.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: I will say.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 10: Paul had a really good one on Twitter yesterday about
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 10: reading book.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: Oh not really, I was just making fun of my
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: short book or something.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 9: That chapter book and that chapter closed and that the
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 9: no that, yeah, I think stuff like that. That chapter
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 9: was closed in Patriots.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: See him in the locker room? Did you ever see him? Also,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: by the way, officially gone officially.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Let's get to the phone.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 9: We're up to date on Patriots mark than ever when
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 9: Ronnie Perkins was signed by a Denver Patriots practice.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 10: Also one more note, one more note in case Devon
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 10: Godchaw's not at practice tomorrow, baby girl today?
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, what's market takes Sunday.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 12: Off to take all?
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 20: I got kind of a serious question.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: I'll try to make it quick.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 20: In like the Boston tradition where great players become great
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 20: coaches become great, great gms.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, let's face it, Ara back and what he
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: has the best ever?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 17: But Bill and Brady were.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 20: You know, something we'll never see again ever. I mean,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 20: and I would Brady ever consider coming back in like
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 20: a coach's position and have Bill go to management or
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 20: become his like Schenechiar something like that to bring Brady
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 20: back into the fold because he has so much knowledge
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 20: and we know he's a winner.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 13: I mean this year when we come on, we've probably had.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 20: About four or five years of this stuff coming up.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 20: But you guys, ever considering Brady.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 16: Coming back in with Bill.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: Great players don't always make good coaches.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 18: That's he brought us to the seventh game with the
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 18: Stanley Cup.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, okay, he wasn't a great player, Tommy Heinsen.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Tommy Heinsen wasn't a great player.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 9: Tommy Heinsen absolutely wasn't great play. But that's a whole
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 9: different era.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Ted Williams couldn't coach hitting.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think we have a great treatment at all,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 9: you know, I mean, he's Tom Brady. I think he's
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 9: got I don't think Tom Brady doesn't watched at all.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 9: In New England or Boston coaching.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: Why would Tom Brady coach? Yeah, oh god, the hours
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: and the and all that stuff.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: No way, Yeah, I'd be very surprised.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 20: Zero and you know, two and fifteen lea games and four.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: And listen, anything you could get to have Tom Brady
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: come back here, anything, any reason, you can have Tom
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: Brady here on for it. But he's not coming back
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: to coach here or anywhere. Thanks Mark, just to.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: Ring the bell. He just rang in there.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: He was fifty five.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: But I went to school with that guy.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: He said he was fifty five, and I thought he's
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 5: Terry O'Reilly.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm fifty four. I remember Terry Y.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you were young.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 9: But he and he also just knows a coach and
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 9: you don't coach, y, Yes, you do as a coach
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 9: in the seventies, right, he played in the seventies, but
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 9: he coached, coached, and he was born.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: In the seventies and I know, but he was as
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: a player.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 9: He was the coach that led the team that finally
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 9: broke the of curse in eighty eight. Now, I would
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 9: also say, as you know, Mike, I like to correct
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 9: in accuracies. They did not go to the seventh game
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 9: of the Stanley Cup Finals. They went to the Stanley
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 9: Cup Finals, where they were swept in four Okay.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: Detailed he played till eighty four, eighty five. I was
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: like nine. I remember, I totally Yeah, I'm not surprised.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: I remember Rayborn.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Terry o'rally. You're lucky you do.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 9: He was my Terry O'Reilly was a was a like
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 9: a third third line checking grinder who could fight, couldn't skate,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 9: but he had some skills.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: He would score twenty.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: Even I know that.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, Todd's Todd.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: That's true. Hey guys, first game a couple of weeks.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 19: I know that you probably mentioned it already, but I
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 19: had to ticked my way to the doctor, so I'm
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 19: going to bring it up again, and I'm a little
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 19: bit upset about it. His answer, mister Belichick's answer after
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 19: they asked him, all why didn't Douglat's go back on,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 19: and he said, yeah, well we had excellent or no,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 19: we had very good.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 9: Everybody had good games. The answer was everybody else had
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 9: a good game, but somehow they only sco at seventeen
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 9: points and only had two hundred and eighty yards so
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 9: is the game.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 19: Isn't a chance that the game has gone past him?
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 19: Because he seems to be really good at coaching situations like, hey,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 19: look they've locked that field goal that they can call
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 19: up certain defenses and stuff like I can take your
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 19: one guy away and make you play like this. But
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 19: they don't seem to be able to coach a game.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 19: He doesn't seem to be able to manage a game.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 19: I think Brady did that for him to a certain extent.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 19: He kept the ball moving, he kept open on the field,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 19: kept their you know, their opposing offense off especially you know,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 19: seems like the cold set back in the day, and
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 19: you know, I think we're just he needs the synergy
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 19: and he doesn't give the offense enough credit. And I
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 19: don't know why he doesn't look at the offense and say, hey,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 19: I need to have at least X level like a
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 19: floor for my offense. I don't want to. I don't
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 19: get it. He doesn't. He hasn't had that. He hasn't
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 19: seen that. Like when they when they lost Brady and
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 19: they hired that guy from the Carolina that the hairdo
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 19: guy I thought they was just couldn't throw.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 18: A past by yards devoted Cam.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 13: I was like, what are they doing?
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 19: I don't don't.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: That's not right.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: I hear you, Okay. I mean when they signed Cam Newton,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: we were all excited.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 12: I was.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: We were hoping that he come back to form at
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: some point.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 9: But you know, those are the bad takes that Paul
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 9: has that no one ever criticized. I'm not going to
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 9: be I'm not going to be high on someone that
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 9: didn't pan out.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a fraud and say, oh
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: I never liked that. I loved that we had a
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: special show for it. I think, right right from my
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: back door.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: So I when it comes to in game management, though,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: it's I don't think it's Brady. I think he misses Ernie.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: I really think he misses Ernie.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: I think it's all of it.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 9: But I also think they had a lot of other
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 9: good players that were like the Mike Rabel types of
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 9: Teddy Brucen types that they were like coaches on the field.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: They had a lot of let me.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: But when it comes to like game management and like
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: decision like no pint, like challenge, no challenge like I
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: just remember you know, Edelman tells these great stories about
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: Ernie and like, you know, Bill referencing Ernie or saying,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 5: you know, Ernie would do this, and I just who's
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: in his ear now, like who's managing the game for him?
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 9: A couple quick anecdotes related to this. Now we had
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 9: Matt Smith and I got a chance to talk to
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 9: Rodney Harrison for another Pats from the past that would
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 9: be I don't know if that's yeah, okay, so it
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 9: is out. So it was about a half a we
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 9: we talked a little bit about and I brought up
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 9: the the I think it's the three AFC Championship when
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 9: Rodney and Tie sort of switched spots in the secondary.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: Evan, do you remember this?
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 9: They sort of, Okay, I know, I know it's early,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 9: but I didn't know if you've got a chance to
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 9: go back and break down that I wish.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: Now that I work for the Patriots, that's like actually
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: an off season dream of mind.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 9: So basically without getting you know, you know, I don't
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 9: want to say things that I don't know what I'm
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 9: talking about. So very simplistically, Rodney went up in jams
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 9: the receivers while ty Law came back and sort of played.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 9: They more or less switch from corner to safety roles.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: That's what happened on Gonzo's pick.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, so I had sort of asked them about that.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 9: It was just something that Bill had come up with it.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: No, we did it.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 9: We did it on our own, and we went to
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 9: Bill and said we think that we could do it,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 9: and Bill said, well, if you guys think that'll work,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 9: go ahead. This is kind of what I'm talking about.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 9: They had players that were on the field that were
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 9: like coaches, that could understand concepts and schemes and at
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 9: times maybe even knew as much, if not more than
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 9: the guys that were telling them what to do.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: And it worked.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 9: The other anecdote I'll say is from the last Super Bowl,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 9: the one in Atlanta that they beat the Rams thirteen
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 9: to three. Do you remember how that game unfolded. It's
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 9: ten to three, Patriots is trying to run the clock out,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 9: and it's like fourth down in a yard and there
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 9: is this big conversation on the sideline and finally Brady
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 9: just what are we doing?
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: Just kick the field goal?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 9: The game is over, right, like Ernie's there, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 9: Bill's there, And the quarterback had to say, what are
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 9: we even talking about again?
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: Like Dan Campbell, I'm allergic to kicking.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: No, just kick it.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: The game's over. Once we made Once we kicked the
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: oblong big skin through the h we'll all be exhilarated.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, going back to the whole thing
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: about it that way, how Bill treats the defense differently
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: than the offense, and he favors the defense. And you know,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: just something that came to mind. And you know, like
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: there've been guys on defense like Tully Bandacaine, James Sanders
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: that he extended from like money, and it's like, well,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: he's given them a little bit more money than I
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: think there was.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: Well, Sanders is definitely one of those.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: Has he ever done that for an offensive guy? Like
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: a guy that he's like, why is he giving him that? Lineman?
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like Shaq.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: DeVante Parker but more than this, but more than we
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: thought he was worth.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, like guards, he's given guards like top of
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 9: the market money and Tuney and maybe to.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: Friend's point, wait, we would not skill guys. They want
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: a free agency and Stefan Gilmore it's the chefter right
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: boom Patriots pay Steffon Gilmore massive contract.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 9: I don't they don't do that if at all, But
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 9: they don't do that often with offensive guys. Yeah, but
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 9: definitely not skilled.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: Now I will say that offensively, especially in the last
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: like let's say half decade, you need to trade for
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: those receivers, either draft him or te because they don't
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: like T. Higgins is not going to be an unrestricted
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: free agent, right, Like he's not going to be available
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: as a free agent in March, like you know a
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: bunch of other players. Yes, I don't think he will be.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: They'll extend him before I think they'll I think they'll
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: trade him on the franchise tag or trade him before
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: that point. Okay, yeah, yeah, so they they'll find a
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: way to leverage that into getting something for T. Higgins.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: That's more than just a compic. Right, So those got
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: you have pretty cheap. You have to aggree. You have
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: to aggressively pursue those guys, is my point. In the
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: trade market, like Tyree kill A J. Brown, Stefon Diggs,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: like those guys got trade Adams. Yeah, they don't just
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: come available.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 9: Even like lesser guy like Marquis Brown, like you have
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 9: some some modicum of talent at that position, you have
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 9: to trade for him if you want to just can't
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 9: find that sweet.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 8: Spot of like the Welker restricted free agent or the
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 8: Randy Moss distressed asset, you know, those kind of things
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 8: like they just haven't they haven't really been out.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: There for him to those are his favorites.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, zach'son Boston. What's up, Zach?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 21: I got Thanks for taking my call. You know, I
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 21: just wanted to say that I don't think as far
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 21: as the offense and speed, I don't think it's far off.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 21: You know, back when we had Brady so the same
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 21: type of receivers we always had and we made it
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 21: work with him. So you know, I really don't understand
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 21: that part. But I just wanted to say one thing
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 21: one call, and I brought up Patrick Chung and you know,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 21: I got into an argument with my brother about Patrick Chung,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 21: I want to say last week, and I called Patrick
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 21: Chung a tightening a tight end race there. You know,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 21: I remember in twenty fifteen when Pat Chung held Travis
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 21: kelce to I think it was twelve yards and he
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 21: also covered t Y Hilton that that year and he
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 21: l t l I Hilton till like twelve yards, And
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 21: I said that, you know, I don't believe that Kyle
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 21: Dugger is there yet. I don't think he can cover
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 21: tight ends as well as Pat Chung did, And I
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 21: just want to know y'all start doing that.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: Well. I don't think that that's a covering tight ends
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: is an issue, Like I don't think that that's something
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: that we're really I.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 9: Don't think Douger is great cover. I also think that
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 9: what Bill used to do is what he did on Sunday,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 9: Like we're going to limit Tyreek Hill, he limited Travis Kelsey.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 9: How many points of Kansas City score that night? Do
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 9: you guys remember, I don't know forty forty?
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: Now the Patriots scored how many forty three?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 6: Three?
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a game winning field.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 9: Goal because I know block your ears might so Tom Brady,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 9: because Tom Brady recognizes that we're in a shootout. They
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 9: went over to twenty five and he didn't say, well,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 9: we tried. But I also just put forty three on
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 9: the board in one.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: Anyway, maybe their weapons now or not or are not
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 5: that far off to twenty years ago at the beginning
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: part of the dynasty, but one that was twenty years ago.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: But here's where I have to come clean and say,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure that it was the same game. But
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go game I may not have been
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: the game that Kelsey only had twelve years.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: I was very convincing.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 9: I think I want to come clean before the ship
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 9: before the show as wrong, wrong, Paul.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: They only lost twenty seven to.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 17: Twenty that night.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure you're right. I think it was the
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: forty three they that was the game that they they
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: stood up. I think it was High Tower and I
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: think Tyreek Hill that was his two hundred year night.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: So they stood High Tower up over Kelsey, and every
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: time Kelsey released off the line of scrimmage, High Tower
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: just put a forearm into it.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: It's like, I like your favorite thing.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah No, but I like Patrick Chung, and I do
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 9: think that what Evan said about him earlier is accurate.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 9: The changed completely the way they used Chung the second
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 9: time around. I don't think he was necessarily a tight
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 9: end or race.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: I think Harrison was the tight end.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 9: If they had if they had Rodney Harrison right in
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 9: the two thousand and six, they would put Rodney Dallash
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 9: Clark wouldn't have done a thing right. I wasn't even
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 9: there for this conversation and I feel like the same
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 9: with me.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: Same with me. I was there either, but it's just
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: has become a show thing anytime Dallas Clark or Rodney here.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: But why have to say Dallas Dallas Clark.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: Why do we think that their weapons are equal to
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman?
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: And I think that's what gets lost in like the
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: you know, and the everything. No actually need a wide
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: receiver and it's like, well, they could get an amazing
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: tight end to that. I didn't want to.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 9: I know, the guy was a little you could tell
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 9: he was down just about the state of the team.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 9: So I don't want to jump in even if you
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 9: wanted to decide I agree with you guys. You know
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 9: you're just missing Gronk and Edelman and and the other
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 9: players that they've had. But even if you want to
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 9: make that argument and say it's roughly the same as
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 9: it was in the glory days, how you can just
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 9: sort of flippantly just ignore the fact that you had
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 9: the greatest player whoever played, right, that's the difference, Like, yeah,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 9: maybe maybe the personnel around Brady wasn't all that different
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 9: than it is now.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: I would argue it is. I would argue Brady had
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: far more to work with in most of those years.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: But what's the difference between the greatest quarterback of all time?
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: Even three or four, when yes, they had a great defense.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: There were games where Brady would pass for three hundred
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: and sixty yards in three touchdowns.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: Four there was as stacked as you could get.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: Right, and you know, like so even with lesser receivers,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: Brady made them better. David Gibbons, what did he ever
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: do when he left?
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: You know, like people like that it's bilitating knee injury. Yeah, tragic,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: Actually it was career ended.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 9: I would absolutely love a Dion Branch right about now.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 9: Please give me Branch, Givens, Troy Brown and David Patton.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 9: That's not better than what you have right now.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 8: Right And that's what you know, to tie it back
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 8: to your point of you know, kind of having to
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 8: go out and get these guys and really have to,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 8: you know, be aggressive.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: And it's like if they hadn't hit on Gronk, who was, you.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 8: Know, himself a distressed asset, and the draft and Julian Edelman,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 8: you know what would have happen over those last ten
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 8: years if they hadn't Because it doesn't seem like they
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 8: want to go out and get those guys. They just
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 8: happen to hit on them. And then you go back
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 8: to like the drafts, it's like they didn't hit on
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 8: more of those guys. You know, they didn't hit on
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: another tight end after Gronk, they didn't hit on another
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 8: receiver after Edelman, and you know, and here we are.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 10: I still want to know who this comes down to.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 10: It's like I feel like, obviously growing his team are
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 10: doing the work, but it's like I feel like it's
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 10: not being received, like they're doing the work, and I'm
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  Speaker 10: sure they have those these great players on their boards.
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  Speaker 5: And then Bill's just.
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  Speaker 10: Like, no, I want these guys on defense, and it's
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  Speaker 10: just it's unfortunate.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I think for Billy thinks defense is safer picks. I
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  Speaker 1: understand it more. I can scout it better, and there's
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  Speaker 1: less of a chance something to that, there's less of
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  Speaker 1: a chance of fail if we take the guy that
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  Speaker 1: we like on defense.
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  Speaker 5: And it's just a that they want to win this
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  Speaker 5: type of way. They want to win, playing the game
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  Speaker 5: in the high teens in the low twenties, and they're
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  Speaker 5: gonna count on the defense to carry them. But in
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  Speaker 5: the defense for the most part in the first two
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  Speaker 5: weeks has has has carried them. But when you need
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  Speaker 5: the plays in the fourth quarter and you know, they
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  Speaker 5: don't have the playmakers for Mac to really go to
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  Speaker 5: in the game, and they don't have, you know, an
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  Speaker 5: all World Hall of Fame Tom Brady level quarterback, it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: well he held them twenty four points, So what good
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  Speaker 5: did it do. I feel like this is just.
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  Speaker 10: Getting like stale, and like he can't continue to live
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  Speaker 10: like this, especially down the stretch when you're gonna have
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  Speaker 10: even more injuries, Like injuries happen. You have three corners
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  Speaker 10: down right now, like who else is gonna get hurt?
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  Speaker 10: And it's like you can't you can't avoid that happening.
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  Speaker 5: It's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: It was a recent interview he Bill did and he
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  Speaker 1: used the words sustainable. Well, that's not sustainable. I think
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  Speaker 1: he was talking about the rams maybe or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he feels like building a good defense is more
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  Speaker 1: sustainable over a course of c than building a great
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  Speaker 1: offense just because of the money.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, Well, why not have good a balance?
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  Speaker 1: Though I'm not saying he's right. Yeah, I'm just thinking that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he's right if that's what he's thinking.
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  Speaker 8: And I mean, and to that point, like I've always
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  Speaker 8: thinking a little little anecdote of you know, defense is
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  Speaker 8: about destroying.
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  Speaker 4: An offense is about creating. It's harder to create things,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like you would think, like it's harder to
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  Speaker 4: go I need to put more effort into the offensive
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  Speaker 4: side of the ball to get guys who can make
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  Speaker 4: something out of nothing instead of like, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: just see the look on key on White's face, and
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  Speaker 4: you're like, you're gonna go destroying offense, you know.
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  Speaker 6: With just a look.
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  Speaker 12: You know.
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  Speaker 9: It's just you can make an argument that the way
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  Speaker 9: the game has evolved, it's kind of harder to stop somebody.
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  Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, I mean, is it like don't even try anymore? Though,
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  Speaker 4: It's like it's like you can only get to a
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  Speaker 4: certain level.
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  Speaker 9: And then Bill would never get to the Nick sabe
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  Speaker 9: and comment that has gotten so much attention over the
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 9: last four or five years when he said that, But yeah,
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  Speaker 9: like devote more time to replang it, Like, I don't
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  Speaker 9: think it's harder to keep an offense together. I don't,
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  Speaker 9: First of all, we all know what I think about money,
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  Speaker 9: and we don't have to get into that this late
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  Speaker 9: in the show. But I think that might be part
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 9: of it too. I think Bill does very much still
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 9: believe in the economics of the of the structure, and
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 9: that's another to me philosophy that's past its time. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: do you think when you most recently with Patrick Mahomes yesterday.
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  Speaker 8: Like on when you this offseason will be kind of
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 8: a barometer for how he feels because they feel like
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 8: if they kind of overextend themselves to keep on when
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 8: you're nothing against him when you But I just think
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 8: we can all agree at this point, like you can
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 8: find a guard. You just drafted two guards, like yeah,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 8: I need they need more and to like sign him
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 8: to a contract or to franchise him.
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  Speaker 9: Unless he signs like a really reasonable deal, I'd be
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  Speaker 9: stunned if he comes back because of what you said.
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  Speaker 9: The second thing, you know, I have Mafi, I have so,
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  Speaker 9: I have Jake Andrews. I have to have one of
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  Speaker 9: these guys that should.
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  Speaker 5: Have seventy six million dollars in cap space projected right
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 5: now next year for the Patriots.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: He saw something that was more than that well.
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  Speaker 5: Miguel has its seventy se okay, I trust I try
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 5: to trust him. I do, he has it ad seventy
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  Speaker 5: six million. So there's a lot that goes into that
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 5: of how many guys are really signed for next year
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: that are impact players for you, that aren't just rookie
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: you know, on rookie contracts from the last couple of
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 5: drafts and stuff like that, and you know, and when
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: he was obviously a big one dugger ouch. But a
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: lot of the reason why they have so much cap
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 5: space because they don't have a lot of players.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 9: I mean, we're all talking about how the offense is struggled.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 9: Who had been two of the better players on offense,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 9: Henry and Kaseki, right, ye, they're both up.
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  Speaker 5: Especially Henry, and they have no tight ends and they
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: got it.
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  Speaker 8: They're gonna have to rebuild the tight end group and
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 8: the and the offensive line essentially.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's I think it's just Als Parker and
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: ju Jules back.
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  Speaker 1: What's up? Al al al big aal al you're there,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he is, Yes, Hey.
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  Speaker 3: So first time caller, a longtime listener. I think the
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: one of the first episodes I listened to is when
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: Fred absolutely dominated Andy and the contest.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: Oh and killed him?
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  Speaker 1: Don't well I did real push up?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: Yes, you did right, he's got short arms.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: Though I've emailed a couple of times, I'm gonna try
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: to keep it short. But first I want to, like
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: Paul side in the street a little bit and fight
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: with the fans about something they haven't even argued yet.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: I'll bet they have.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: How's a good listener. I can tell you he knows
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: you go ahead.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people give build a
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: coach a pass because talent isn't the same as other
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: teams have, and they give Bill a GM a pass
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: because he's such a great coach. But I think at
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: this point we've we've just gotten to the point where
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: he's not a good enough coach to out coach Build
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: a GM every If you go into every week without
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: talent that can match up like you're you're gonna win
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: less often than you lose. And I think the way
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: that this team has played the start, if Rogers was healthy,
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: I would really see them going zero to four. And
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: this is like four years after Brady left to like this,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: This isn't a rebuilding team. This is the team and
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: it still kind of looks like this. I don't know
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: what happens when Bill leaves, but I think it might
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: be time to find out. And I know it's probably
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: a little bit early to start talking about Paul's little pole,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: but I think we might be headed down that road
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: All right, hey, listen, Al, that's a good call.
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  Speaker 9: No, it is a good call, and he's not you know,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 9: I think the way he put it is true. So
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 9: now you're going into games with less talent than the
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 9: other team consistently. Is he a good enough coach to
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 9: overcome it enough to make you a playoff team?
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  Speaker 19: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know we're going to find out, because a
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: lot of the games this year, the other team's gonna
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: have one.
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  Speaker 1: We'll solve that tomorrow's show at noon. As for this show,
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