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Did you say 'horse'? · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 1: This is a Bramble Jam podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This week on your gabbl gavel. If you fall off
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  Speaker 2: a horse, can you see the trainer? Judge Gino's here
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  Speaker 2: to say, did you say horse to kick your sister's
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  Speaker 2: car and a church parking lot? Can you sick it soon?
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  Speaker 2: Or is the Good Lord coming? Ud? Judge Faith tells
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  Speaker 2: us real people. Okay, so you just assistance, Joe gab
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  Speaker 2: You know what I realized, all right, gabble gavel is
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  Speaker 2: because the video is recording. Do we have that now?
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  Speaker 2: Do we have that? Good? Great glad? We did? Everybody want?
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  Speaker 2: I'm bad? Ye a boy? Whoa gavel? Gavel? What up? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I like gree today. Judge Faith the inner Judge Gino
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  Speaker 2: bringing it strong, fantastic dynamic. Do just May treating you good?
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  Speaker 2: Late May Memorial Day.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what I will say. We got a good bit
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  Speaker 1: of showers in April. And I will say flowers They're good.
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  Speaker 2: They're good. Flowers are good. Good to know.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think, and I don't know if those two
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  Speaker 1: things are connected. Do you think the April showers somehow
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  Speaker 1: brought the mayflowers?
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe I've heard that there's a rumor going
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  Speaker 2: around that occasionally those buy a botanical, big botanical, big botanicals,
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  Speaker 2: getting them.
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  Speaker 1: Big botanical rumor everybody, Uh, you want me to go first?
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  Speaker 2: You want to go first?
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  Speaker 1: Sip of corn heads, it's tails, I'll go first, right
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  Speaker 1: Judge Faith Hazel Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: Hazel Jackson is suing as Jackson.
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  Speaker 3: I'm for real, never meant to kick the church tire.
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  Speaker 3: I love manns. Hazel Jackson will work on it more.
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  Speaker 3: Is suing Virginia Oxley.
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  Speaker 1: Meet Virginia for five thousand dollars that breakdow is, three
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars for car damages, two thousand dollars for lost wages.
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  Speaker 1: We're kicking a tire, not attire, kicking the car.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Hazel and Virginia are sisters, oh, sister. Sister said, they.
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  Speaker 1: Used to be very close, almost inseparable. Hazel says, you know,
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  Speaker 1: though we're sisters, we bicker, We do a little bicker
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  Speaker 1: and every once in a while, but nothing quite like this.
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  Speaker 1: So Hazel and Virginia don't go to the same church.
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  Speaker 1: Hazel is one day looking for some dishes that she
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  Speaker 1: needs for a pot luck. She calls her friends for
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  Speaker 1: some reason things maybe the friend knows where the dishes
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  Speaker 1: are I'm not sure. Her friend says that Virginia has
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  Speaker 1: the dishes.
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  Speaker 2: Genia's sister has a sister. Virginia has the dishes.
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  Speaker 1: So uh, Hazel says, at the time, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: had We hadn't been talking, me and Virginia. We had
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a disagreement. There was a disagreement
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  Speaker 1: between Virginia and my husband over a car that we sold.
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  Speaker 1: We don't get a lot of information about this, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but some sort of argument happened around the sale of
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  Speaker 1: a car. They hadn't been talking. She knows that her
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  Speaker 1: sister has her dishes, and she believed that she was
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  Speaker 1: keeping the dishes hostage so that she they would have
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  Speaker 1: to talk. That was like her way, Like she would
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  Speaker 1: never come out and be like, hey, we.
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  Speaker 2: Need a fixing. She would do you think your dishes? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: That that's exactly right, that's exactly right, Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So she goes to Virginia's church, goes inside and is
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  Speaker 1: trying to get Virginia's attention so that she can get
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  Speaker 1: her dishes, and Virginia's ignoring or ignoring her. Virginia leaves,
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  Speaker 1: goes and gets into her car. Hazel opens up her
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  Speaker 1: car door and says, hey, I need my dishes, yells
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  Speaker 1: at her and slams the door as hard as possible.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Virginia gets out of the car and hits Hazel's car,
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  Speaker 1: does one of these numbers on the on the hoods,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as you do. So She's like, I could
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  Speaker 1: play this game too, and she gets back in her car.
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  Speaker 1: Hazel says that her nephew then came and opens up
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  Speaker 1: Virginia's trunk, gets the dishes from his mom and gives
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  Speaker 1: it to to to Hazel. So Hazel has her dishes
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  Speaker 1: and in the process of doing this, after getting this,
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  Speaker 1: and she walks back by Hazel's door and.
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  Speaker 2: Slams her hand on the window. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Virginia then gets out of the car and does, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm quoting here, uh hiya kick.
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  Speaker 2: Hiya kick, karate kick karate kick to Hazel's car.
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  Speaker 1: And this specific kick is why we're here today, because,
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  Speaker 1: as you can see in the pictures if you watch
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  Speaker 1: this episode, this left quite the dent in the there.
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  Speaker 2: Is body Damna.
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  Speaker 1: So a little bit back and forth, and eventually somebody
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  Speaker 1: got hurt here and by somebody.
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  Speaker 2: I mean something something.
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  Speaker 1: So Hazel's husband is here, uh, just kind of sitting
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  Speaker 1: sitting down, and Faith calls calls him up, and it's like,
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  Speaker 1: what's well, why are you here? What's going on? And uh,
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I was in the car the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: Of course of course he was. Yes, I wasn't do
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  Speaker 1: it a lot. I didn't really helping the matter, but
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  Speaker 1: I was there. And I just want to say that
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  Speaker 1: I think that for g is jealous of her little sister.
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  Speaker 1: Since her little sister has a successful catering company, has
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  Speaker 1: a has a husband like myself. I think she's jealous,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's that's where the problem lies. The
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  Speaker 1: root of it is the jealousy.
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  Speaker 2: Here got it. That's all he had to say. That's
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  Speaker 2: all he has to say. Matters.
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  Speaker 1: So Faith asked Virginia how she feels about everything. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Virginia is the older sister, Hazel's her little little sister,
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  Speaker 1: and Virginia starts.
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  Speaker 2: To tear up.
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  Speaker 1: It is clear that she cares a lot about her sister.
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  Speaker 1: She says, I love Hazel a lot. She's my blood sister,
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  Speaker 1: same parents, and I hate that this has happened. I
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  Speaker 1: feel embarrassed because I'm the I'm one of the leaders
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  Speaker 1: at this church, and my sister comes in there, starts
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  Speaker 1: starts hitting my car, yelling, and then I, I, you know,
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  Speaker 1: lost lost my cool and now I got a you know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody in the church that I'm a leader over and
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  Speaker 1: knows my family business, yeah, knows that I kicked my
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  Speaker 1: sister's car.
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  Speaker 2: To the Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I really I really didn't want to go there,
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  Speaker 1: but she pushed me and here we are. So Hazel
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  Speaker 1: says that, so we have the car damage, saying. She
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  Speaker 1: also says that she runs a catering business. How did
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  Speaker 1: that lose her wages? She runs a catering business, and
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  Speaker 1: she's done some events at this church before and she
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  Speaker 1: has not had any business from the church since. And
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  Speaker 1: she believes that this event with her sister kicking her
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  Speaker 1: car lost her business. And Judge Faith is ready to
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  Speaker 1: rule once again. To remind you, five thousand dollars. Three
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  Speaker 1: thousand of that is for the damaged car, two thousand
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  Speaker 1: of that is for the lost weight.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna get the lost wages because
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  Speaker 2: you can never unless you had a contract in place
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  Speaker 2: for the church in the catering company. You're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: get that. I think she is gonna get the three thousand,
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  Speaker 2: not because she necessarily wants to give it to her,
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  Speaker 2: because Hazel did provoke the fight. But it's damage to
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  Speaker 2: a car that is like, you can't there's no way
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  Speaker 2: to get around it. Everybody admits it's what happened. So
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  Speaker 2: she's gonna get three k.
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  Speaker 1: She's not gonna get jack squat Wow. Judge Faith says, uh, Hazel,
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  Speaker 1: you provoked this. You hit her car twice? Yeah, you,
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  Speaker 1: and you're lucky that it didn't cause damage to her car.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all need to figure this out. But if it had,
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  Speaker 1: she would have vowed right.
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  Speaker 2: She's just saying that doesn't She's just saying, y'all are
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  Speaker 2: y'all our sisters?
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  Speaker 1: Is his family business? Figure it out. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: she throws it out.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. She says, get out of here, get
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  Speaker 2: out of here.
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  Speaker 1: Got here now, I will say, in judge face defense,
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  Speaker 1: because I understand where you're coming from.
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  Speaker 2: We don't get any paperwork showing the damage of the car.
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  Speaker 1: We have a picture, we don't see any any receipts
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that. I don't know if any of
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  Speaker 1: that was brought and it was cut from the TV.
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  Speaker 2: From the TV. The TV could have been.
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  Speaker 1: But h as far as we know, there was no
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  Speaker 1: paperwork showing the repairs to the car. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know it entirely. Where that number. Judge fer Faith said, family,
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  Speaker 1: figure it out. I do figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, you're ready to go to Judge Gino's court.
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  Speaker 2: I am so personal injury court. Christine Robinson is suing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a low boy for this thirty five thousand past medical,
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  Speaker 2: pocket change, five thousand, future medical fifty thousand, pain and
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  Speaker 2: suffering ninety thousand total. All right, so I need you
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  Speaker 2: to know something up front. Both Christine and Rebecca interrupt
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  Speaker 2: the other and interrupt Judge Gino regularly. Judge Gino only
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  Speaker 2: gets mad at Rebecca Connolly. Interesting person that like is
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  Speaker 2: the defendant. And it's because when she is very like
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  Speaker 2: she runs a horse farm, and she's very like uptight
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  Speaker 2: and like she doesn't And the other one is Christine
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  Speaker 2: is in a full like you know that thing Rob
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  Speaker 2: Gronkowski war around his elbow while he played football. She's
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  Speaker 2: in one of those and a sling and so there's
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  Speaker 2: something all the way up to her shoulder on her
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  Speaker 2: right arm. So rob The best part of this case
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  Speaker 2: is the beginning where Judge Gino goes Miss Robinson, Christine Robinson,
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  Speaker 2: what is it you do? And Christine says, I'm a
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  Speaker 2: CPA by day and Gino, without missing a beat, goes,
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  Speaker 2: what's that. Judge Gino been on the bench for ten years,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know what a CPA is, and she says it's
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  Speaker 2: an account and he goes, oh, I thought that had
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  Speaker 2: to do with horses, and I thought I was being punked.
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  Speaker 2: But Judge Gino, in all of his years to im
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  Speaker 2: personal Injury court, and.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think happened here is I
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  Speaker 1: think he read information about the case beforehand, knows that
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  Speaker 1: there's horses involved.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure if he met.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody out on the street and they said I'm a CPA,
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  Speaker 1: he maybe I'm giving them too much.
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  Speaker 2: But I think I think he didn't know what it was.
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  Speaker 2: So she says. Christine goes on to say, riding is
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  Speaker 2: what I picked up as my hobby about four years ago.
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  Speaker 2: It's a passion about I go to at least twice
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  Speaker 2: a week. It's been therapy for me. I've had a
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  Speaker 2: lot going in my life and riding keeps me sane.
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  Speaker 2: And she starts to tear up a little bit. How important,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So you go to Rebecca Connolly. Rebecca
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  Speaker 2: has owned and operated this stable for fifteen years. There
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  Speaker 2: are over twenty horses in the stable. They have an
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  Speaker 2: award winning training award winning award winning Wow. And before
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  Speaker 2: she can finish this awards, I don't know the horse
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  Speaker 2: horse World magazine HWM. It's a horse World magazine magazine.
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  Speaker 2: Christina in rupt her and goes and I'm an experienced rider.
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  Speaker 2: I know how to trot, I know how to canter.
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  Speaker 2: She starts listing. It was like a maybe even situation.
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  Speaker 2: She starts to listening, maybe even cant maybe even look
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  Speaker 2: good and sad, maybe even Yeah, it is the I
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  Speaker 2: do know how to dig cantor. And then Gino's like,
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  Speaker 2: would you consider writing for four years to be experienced?
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  Speaker 2: Rebecca says, no, No, that's not a lot of experience.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think she can trot and canter. She can
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  Speaker 2: trot and canter. Now, watch me trot, watch me trot trot,
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  Speaker 2: watching cant yeah, watch me, watch me, watch me nay nay,
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  Speaker 2: nay nay. Oh man carry on. I was trying to
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  Speaker 2: think of it them I got I got there. Uh
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  Speaker 2: all right, so Christine continues on. I can't, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I can't. Watch me try watch me can uh. Christine
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  Speaker 2: continues on. My trainer and I from the stable talked
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  Speaker 2: and we decided together it was time for me to
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  Speaker 2: move on to jumping time everyone, because I know the fundamentals.
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  Speaker 2: Now at this point, Rebecca's interrupting, she made that decision.
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  Speaker 2: She made that decision. Gino's quiet every now really not happy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a chance. Quite now. Chris says,
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  Speaker 2: I did some competitions, even placed second in those. This
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  Speaker 2: is before she started jumping like other competitions like equin competitions.
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  Speaker 2: And I know how to ride, so it was time
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  Speaker 2: to learn how to jump second place truck. So we
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  Speaker 2: worked on how to jump. We worked on a jump
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  Speaker 2: and I jumped the first and then the second jump
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  Speaker 2: the horse completely bolted. She got the horse got spooked
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  Speaker 2: by something and it threw me on the ground. And
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  Speaker 2: they said, what genisys what spooped the horse? And she says,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was My trainer bolted out of the
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  Speaker 2: arena right before I started making the jumps. He just
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  Speaker 2: took off, running out of We're gonna get there, okay, Rebecca,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how this is. Rebecca says, that's not true.
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  Speaker 2: Gina says, so you blame miss Connolly and the stable
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  Speaker 2: and the trainer for what happened. Christine says, yes, it's
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  Speaker 2: negligence for the works for the trainer, works for Rebecca.
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  Speaker 2: The trainer's there. Don't worry. He's got a cowboy hat.
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  Speaker 2: And how else would we know. Rebecca says, I was
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  Speaker 2: in the front office when this happened. I did not
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  Speaker 2: witness it, but I heard something happen. I heard screaming.
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  Speaker 2: We immediately called one one. We we got on immediately,
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  Speaker 2: we came. I ran to the riding arena. I saw
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  Speaker 2: Christine on the ground. We got the horse out of
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  Speaker 2: the way.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: At this point, Judge Gina says, so we have a video.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to the plasma for the video. So we
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  Speaker 2: have a video of the incident. So we watch uh uh.
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  Speaker 2: We we bring Christine over, we watch her jump one time,
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  Speaker 2: the first jump, and on the second jump, the horse
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  Speaker 2: just takes a left turn in Albuquerque, like right before.
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  Speaker 2: It just zip and it it just throws her right
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  Speaker 2: off the horse and gets trampled. And Christina get is
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  Speaker 2: trampled by the horse. Yeah, yeah, she gets the horse. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't get trampled. She get falls in the ground. She's
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  Speaker 2: there and and the horse, the horse she gets bucks away, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: And it's clearly traumatic for her. And Gino sees it
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  Speaker 2: and goes, can we roll that back and watch it
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  Speaker 2: in slow motion? We're gonna get to a horse trainer
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  Speaker 2: near in the video. No, the trainers don't where to be,
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  Speaker 2: So we go back and slow mo and it looks
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  Speaker 2: like the horse gets spooked by something and just zip
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  Speaker 2: and then tosses her. So Rebecca says, well, Christine sees
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  Speaker 2: one thing, I see another. Falling off a horse is
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  Speaker 2: an inherent risk in riding. It's part and parcel of
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  Speaker 2: the sport of the sport. Yeah, Gino says, well, how
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  Speaker 2: did the horse get spooked? We don't know if the
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  Speaker 2: horse get spooked, is what Recca says. We don't know
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  Speaker 2: that for sure, but there are a lot of reasons
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  Speaker 2: that horses can get spooked. Ghosts, it happens from time
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  Speaker 2: to ghost would be a big gremlin for sure. So
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  Speaker 2: they bring up gramletch would definitely spook a word. Zombies, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you bet you got it. Credit cards, you got it.
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  Speaker 2: So spirits, No, they're okay with spirits, actually believe it
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  Speaker 2: or not. Their spirit friendly. It's just a spirit thing.
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  Speaker 2: You wouldn't get it. Judge Gino says he's going to
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  Speaker 2: bring in a professional horse trainer. She's been doing it
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  Speaker 2: for thirty years. Great. I love it when he brings
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  Speaker 2: in experts. After basically them saying it wasn't the trainer
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  Speaker 2: running away blah blah blah. So oh no, no, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not to the trainer yet. I'm just kidding wrong trainer.
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  Speaker 2: They asked if the trainer Megan Trainer, not Megan Trainer.
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  Speaker 2: It's all by the base, but you wow no. Uh so,
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  Speaker 2: then Rebecca pulls out a waiver. She said, I have
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  Speaker 2: a waiver signed by Christine. Gino goes, you know this
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  Speaker 2: the waivers a legal document, right, miss Robinson, you understand
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  Speaker 2: if you signed this, it's legal. Christine says, I did
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  Speaker 2: read it. I understand it, and then he says it
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  Speaker 2: states acknowledges that horseback riding is an inherently dangerous activity
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  Speaker 2: and can cause serious injury, in some cases death. You
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  Speaker 2: knew it said that. And at this point Christine says, honestly, Judge,
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  Speaker 2: you know I didn't read the waiver. I just signed it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's because she just handed it to me and
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  Speaker 2: said you need to sign it. And Judge Gino says,
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  Speaker 2: hold on, a waiver is a legal document and if
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  Speaker 2: you have someone sign it without giving them the proper
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  Speaker 2: time to sign it, and then he rips the waiver up.
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  Speaker 2: He rips the waiver that he's been brought that has
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  Speaker 2: it up in court, he rips it up.
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  Speaker 1: I just here, can I tell you that my problem
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  Speaker 1: with this is that literally every waiver experience I've ever
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  Speaker 1: had is hey, yes, correct. It is up to me
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  Speaker 1: whether or not I read it. It is not up
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  Speaker 1: to if you hand me a waiver. It's not up
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  Speaker 1: to you to be like, don't you dare sign until
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  Speaker 1: you read a try word?
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  Speaker 2: Don't you do it? Don't true do it? So Gina's like,
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  Speaker 2: did you have proper time to sign this? And Rebecca
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  Speaker 2: or Christina is very like, She's like, I wasn't given
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  Speaker 2: enough time. I was given Uh, they just put the
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  Speaker 2: form down and sign it. And then she says, I
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  Speaker 2: just ask for more time. Then she said, I was
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  Speaker 2: given five minutes, and then she said I was given
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  Speaker 2: two minutes. So you never really get a firm answer
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  Speaker 2: from her. She but she asked. Then he asked, Rebecca,
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  Speaker 2: did you give her enough time to sign it. Rebecca says, yes,
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  Speaker 2: she had all the time she needed. We had multiple conversations,
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  Speaker 2: not just a conversation when we handed her the waiver.
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  Speaker 2: She had a lot of time to do you have
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  Speaker 2: a second copy of the waiver? Yes? Uh, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I ripped that felt. So let's get to the injury.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: She broke her bones in her arm and shoulder area,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: pins and needles all throughout, and then she gets really
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: sad about the fact that she has thirty five thousand
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: medical bills, doesn't know how she's going to pay it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: At this point, Rebecca the horse trainer looks at her
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and goes, Christine, I am sorry, and Rebecca starts crying
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: and it is sincere like, I am legitimately sorry that
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: you got hurt. It hurts my heart that you got hurt. Oh,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Gina's gonna love that. Yeah, he loves it when people
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: feel bad. That's right. Well, Christine says, sorry doesn't cut it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: You're responsible, and Gina's like we brought a professional trainer in.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Let's hear from the trainer. The trainer's name. No, no, no,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: not a professional trainer. My bad. We Let's hear from
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the trainer that bolted. Here, from the trainer that bolted.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: His name is Hank Marfield. He wears a cowboy hat.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: He's been doing this for a long time. Uh, he's no,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: it isn't trainer. All believe it, but or not. He trained.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: He's been working with Christine for two years. He put
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it through the paces, the right procedures, proper techniques. She's
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: always done an excellent job. They worked on jumping for
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: four months before they tried these jumps the real house.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: It sounds like they're really taken that really take their time.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: She seemed ready to jump. Christine said, you shouldn't have
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: left the arena. Gina says, what happened? He said, well,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: right before she started to jump, I heard a horse
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: in distress. Never a good sign. I needed to go
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: deal with that. We have twenty horses in our stable.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: We were responsible for all of them. I looked at
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Christine and I gave her a gesture. I pointed to me,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: and then I pointed out that I was leaving, and
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: she seemed to nod at me that she understood that
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I was going to go check on this situation. Christine says, absolutely,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: that did not happen. Is using sign language.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Why can he not just say it because across the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: way give him the horse room.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but that's what he did. She said,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: that is not true. He said nothing, he did nothing.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I heard the fence banging as he left. So and
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: she goes, you run. Her horses have a peripheral view.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: They can see a lot further to their left and
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: right then we can see that could have easily spooked him.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: So the trainer says, she seemed to nod at me
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: for confirmation. Christine says, that's a lie. At this point,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: judge Gina's bringing in a professional, so really quickly, yes, sir,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: so we do have a video, but for some reason
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: we don't in the video. We don't have him running.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: We don't have them before. That's stupid, but we don't
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: have him. Apparently he's sprinting as the horse hits the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: second jump and the fence flying open. Is what does it?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: We have a horse being spooked over here out in
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the that's what he's gonna go run.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Here's a horse in distrust.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Here's a horse in distrust. Right, and then this horse
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: gets spooked again. I don't want to keep bringing up ghosts.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Could be it seems like we have a ghost problem.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Gunshot, So they bring a professional in gunshot would pick
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the horse problem. Different problem, different problem, different horse problem.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not here. I love animals. Was it worth it? Absolutely?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: For the for the double decker community was worth it? Uh?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Gino brings in a professional. This woman's been training horses
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: for thirty years. Here's what she says. Brand She says,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: some horses are more spooky than others. Yeah, yeah, Uh.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: They take information from all sides of their body, and
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: their eyes can see almost a full one hundred and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: eighty degrees. And it looks, based upon the video that
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: her approach is good and her form is solid on
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the first jump. And then this movement is very rapid.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: If someone was leaving quickly, it could cause that to happen,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: they asked. Then he goes over to the trainer, the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: horse trainer, and said Hank and says, hey, did you
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: leave rapidly or did you go slow? He goes, I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: got out of there pretty fast. I did judge Gina
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: is ready to rule nine thirty five past five future
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: fifty pain and suffering.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I do want to just say this, this feels very
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: weird to me that we don't have some sort of
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: other camera angle, so only when we got because it
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: just feels like all of this would be pretty cut.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: And dry with another camera angle.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Only when we got The trainer is saying that he
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: did leave very quickly does make me feel like sign
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: So signing a waiver that says there's inherent risk riding
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a horse.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Doesn't cover.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: If the if something is going on that is extracurricular,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that is the the barns the ranch's fault, right Like,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you can't say there's an inherent risk in horseback riding
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and then and then start throwing mud at the horse
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and expects for the horse to just be normal. You'd
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: be a mud throwing situation, which would be the ranch's fault.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: The the trainer should know that running out of the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: arena could spook a horse. If there is someone he
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: is training who is in what seems to be mid jumpings.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: She does one jump and then he's running out, I think,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and then she goes she decides to go.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's tough, because why why you shouldn't have gone if.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: The trainer wasn't there.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like there's just not enough details for
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: me to give an actual good verdict on this.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I'll say that. I say that she'll get some money. Though.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: So I was mad at judge, you know, all case,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: because he kept getting mad at the horse owner, the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: stable owner, and not at this woman and for like
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: saying the things she was saying. And I was like, man,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: he's going to give her the money. He gives her
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: no money. And the reason he gives her no money
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: he says, it pains me to not give you any money.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: But the case is moot. And here's why it's moot
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: is because mute. Nope, it's not that we could hear it, Bartholona.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Just put it right here. Just put it right here
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: while we're recording the gabble. Oh perfect, great. Here's the
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: thing I didn't know this, This case should have never
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: gotten there. There is something called the equine rule. Did
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: you know this equine rule? I didn't know it. It
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: is a law in all fifty states, and the equine
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: law states this. Are you ready for this? No? Person,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: operation or partnership is liable for personal injuries two or
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: for the death of a rider that may occur as
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: a result of the behavior of equine animals while engaged
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: in any equine activities. So basically, we weren't meant to
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: ride horses. If you die while riding a horse, no
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: one is responsible. But the person doesn't matter, doesn't matter.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: So he says, you've assumed the risk as soon as
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you get on the horse. It pains me to rule
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: against you. But you've assumed the risk and you don't
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: are not gonna get any money? Wow? Does she cry? Yeah?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: She could cry like a little baby. Little baby. They
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: shot the horse. They did, not just kidding a little baby.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Oh I feel bad. I just I yeah, it's it's messy.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I part of me.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I just feel like there were not getting all of
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the information. There is something missing from this case because I.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Think they needed a filler case only ninety k. The
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: rule says, you can't get any money. Why'd they take it?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Are they taken it? Just don't do it? Don't? All right? Well, godspeed,
• 25:14
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• 25:16
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