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The Witchery Re-Brand, Indy Clinton's New Puppy, Lily Brown Moves In & the Controversial Lingerie Campaign Dividing Opinions · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: on today's show, TikToker Indie Clinton sparks pet rehoming debate.
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: Lily Brown moves into Jet.
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: Kenny's father's mansion. Jade Tunchi's not so steamy wedding night.
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: Sarah's Day's Prada Sunny saga continues and the rugby lingerie debate.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: Empowering or sexist.
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  Speaker 2: But first, Australian fashion brand Witchery has come under fire
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  Speaker 2: for its controversial rebrand. Customers took to social media in
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  Speaker 2: their droves, disappointed by the brand's decision to ditch its
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  Speaker 2: size 20 option. Many also labelled the new range as underwhelming.
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  Speaker 2: This has been such a bad look for Witchery. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a great wrap and it's been all over
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  Speaker 2: my For You page. And I don't think I have
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  Speaker 2: ever seen such backlash hurled at such a beloved Australian
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  Speaker 2: fashion brand before. Yeah, and I'm sure Witchery's new head
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: of design, Kirby Hanaran, has been feeling the heat because
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  Speaker 2: she has been brought in by the brand to shake
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  Speaker 2: things up and she certainly has done that. So she
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  Speaker 2: used to work at Country Road as the women's wear
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  Speaker 2: and accessories designer and And she's been hailed as the
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  Speaker 2: person behind this rebrand. Now, the rebrand was entitled Bold Awakening,
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  Speaker 2: and it was clear it was a big attempt for
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  Speaker 2: Witchery to distance itself from its old branding. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: as part of the strategy, the marketing team ended up
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  Speaker 2: wiping all of Witchery's old content from TikTok and also Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: And it is a.
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  Speaker 2: Clear statement to say, forget what you know about Witchery.
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  Speaker 2: This is our new brand. This is a whole new
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  Speaker 2: era for Witchery. Now, you touched on their strategic marketing plan.
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  Speaker 2: Part of this was to drip feed customers a new
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  Speaker 2: taste of what this new look was.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be.
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  Speaker 2: And it seemed to be an attempt to build hype
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  Speaker 2: and anticipation, but it didn't do any of these things.
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  Speaker 1: All it seemed to build was anger.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's because loyal customers didn't recognize themselves in
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  Speaker 2: this campaign at all. And they began calling out witchery
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  Speaker 2: for its lack of diversity in not only sizing, but
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  Speaker 2: also in age. And when it came time for Witchery
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  Speaker 2: to officially reveal its rebrand, customers were furious when they
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  Speaker 2: discovered that the brand had ditched its size 20 option.
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  Speaker 1: And on top of that.
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  Speaker 2: There were also no diverse body shapes used in its
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  Speaker 2: fresh marketing campaign. All we saw was one very thin woman,
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  Speaker 2: in fact, in crop tops or in short skirts. And
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people online were saying that this rebrand
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  Speaker 2: almost looked like Kukai 2.0 because that brand is infamous
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  Speaker 2: for only stocking very small sizes and for glamorizing very
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  Speaker 2: thin women.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one angry customer wrote, it's a clear picture of
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  Speaker 2: who Witchery wants to see wearing their products and it's
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  Speaker 2: nobody over the age of 25 or larger than a
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  Speaker 2: size 8. So disappointing not to see diverse representation. Now,
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  Speaker 2: a day after this backlash, suddenly new photos emerged on
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  Speaker 2: Witchery's website and also their Instagram account showing a plus
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  Speaker 2: size model wearing several of the new designs. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: had a look at the photos and I was trying
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  Speaker 2: to compare them to the original photo shoot.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, this doesn't look like it's filmed
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  Speaker 1: on the same day.
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  Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I don't understand why. Why
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't you roll those photos out originally?
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  Speaker 1: Because there was already backlash mounting when they were doing
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  Speaker 1: the teaser photos. Yeah, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: They were drip feeding this rebrand for a week. And
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  Speaker 2: the first photo they shared, everyone was like, this doesn't
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  Speaker 2: look like witchery to me.
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  Speaker 1: Where is the inclusivity?
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  Speaker 2: So they already had that precursor that, fuck, people aren't
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  Speaker 2: going to be happy if all we're going to see
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  Speaker 2: is size six models. I do commend them for acting
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  Speaker 2: quickly and trying to add some inclusivity, but it just
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  Speaker 2: feels all a bit tokenistic now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't know why they dropped the ball so
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  Speaker 2: badly in the first place because they're talking about this
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  Speaker 2: new era for 2024. And surely part of this new
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  Speaker 2: era isn't going back to this super skinny look that
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  Speaker 2: was popular.
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  Speaker 1: In the 90s and early 2000s.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's clear Witchery's PR team have been working
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  Speaker 2: in overdrive because it responded to the backlash on the
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  Speaker 2: launch day by updating its original Instagram post. So the
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  Speaker 2: post read, we've done a lot of work to improve
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  Speaker 2: our sizes and fits, ensuring they are more true to
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  Speaker 2: size and consistent across our collections. From size 10 and up,
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  Speaker 2: our sizing has become more generous. So if you were
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  Speaker 2: a size 20 with witchery before, we welcome you to
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  Speaker 2: try a size 18 instead. Now, this didn't sit well
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  Speaker 2: with customers. They said they felt like the brand was
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  Speaker 2: trying to gaslight them.
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  Speaker 1: And I can see why. This is just wild to me.
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  Speaker 2: This is a terrible response from them because in the past,
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  Speaker 2: witchery has already been criticized for having inconsistent sizing. So
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  Speaker 2: women don't know what size they actually are or what
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  Speaker 2: size they should buy online when they go into witchery.
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  Speaker 2: And they're just trying to cover their ass by basically saying, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we really do offer a size 20, but.
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  Speaker 1: We call it a size 18.
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  Speaker 2: But it seems like they're backtracking and being like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we actually do offer a size.
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  Speaker 1: 20, but we just call it an 18 now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of this gaslighting being like, well, don't you
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  Speaker 2: want to be known as a size smaller?
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  Speaker 1: Like it's sort of. Well, what more.
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  Speaker 2: Disturbs me about it is the fact that they're telling
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  Speaker 2: their loyal customers, go into the store. If you are
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  Speaker 2: a size 20, just try it on, see if it fits.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that would be quite daunting to not know
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  Speaker 2: if you're actually going to fit in the size especially
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  Speaker 2: now they've done this whole rebrand that's targeted at 25
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  Speaker 2: year old stick figures why would you feel welcome to
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  Speaker 2: go in there because you've already had it reiterated to
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  Speaker 2: you on their instagram account that you're not welcome this
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  Speaker 2: is the type of people that we would prefer to
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  Speaker 2: offer our clothing to now this story was widely covered
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  Speaker 2: in the mainstream media and also it went viral on
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  Speaker 2: social media which did push for witchery to come out
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  Speaker 2: and explain why they cut the size 20 and And
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  Speaker 2: they put out this lengthy statement and claimed that it
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  Speaker 2: was due to the bottom line. So they said that
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  Speaker 2: while inclusivity is very important to the brand, its size
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  Speaker 2: 20 accounts for a small percentage of sales. I just
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  Speaker 2: think it's not good enough to say that it's too
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  Speaker 2: expensive for a brand to be inclusive. Surely there are
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  Speaker 2: other areas of your budget which you could cut instead. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I think they'll be highly regretting their move. It's obviously
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  Speaker 2: done a lot of damage to their branding. I also
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  Speaker 2: think like we're not talking about some small influencer brand
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  Speaker 2: that genuinely might not be able to afford to actually
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  Speaker 2: increase their sizing. We're talking about a huge brand. Witchery
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  Speaker 2: is owned by the Country Road Group. This isn't some
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  Speaker 2: small little boutique shop. Yeah. And another issue has been
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  Speaker 2: Witchery's new direction when it comes to its target demographic.
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  Speaker 2: So it's clear that they are going for a younger demographic.
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  Speaker 2: The marketing line is that they want to target women
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  Speaker 2: who feel forever 30. Now, historically, they have catered for
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  Speaker 2: 30 to 50 year olds. When I think of witchery,
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  Speaker 2: I do think of more mature workwear. I did see
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  Speaker 2: a couple of stylists on TikTok saying that when they
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: are working with mature women, they do opt for witchery.
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  Speaker 2: Like they never take their younger customers there. I kind
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  Speaker 2: of think of it as the place where I would
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: go into witchery with my mum and we'd both be
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: able to find something we liked. So if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the new collection, It's very different to what we've
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  Speaker 2: seen before. So they've got new bubble skirts, crop tops,
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  Speaker 2: low rise pants and double denim. I don't think if
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  Speaker 2: you're in your 50s, you're going to be wanting to
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  Speaker 2: wear some of this stuff to work. I actually don't
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  Speaker 2: think this rebrand is as bold as they were hoping
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  Speaker 2: because the whole line is about this bold awakening from
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  Speaker 2: the clothes. But when you look at them, A lot
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  Speaker 2: of the clothes are your sort of staple pieces.
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  Speaker 1: They've got black crop tops, black jackets. It's not really
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  Speaker 1: that bold.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what they're going for. So the new head
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  Speaker 2: of design said that everything has been designed with the
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  Speaker 2: ability to mix and match together to make a capsule wardrobe.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that this is something that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of brands are already doing. They're focusing on capsule wardrobes.
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  Speaker 2: We're not seeing statement pieces anymore. And that's due to
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  Speaker 2: the cost of living because People don't have the money
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  Speaker 2: to waste on a statement piece that they're only going
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  Speaker 2: to wear once. They want pieces that you can wear constantly.
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  Speaker 1: I think people are needing to justify their purchases.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're going to the shops and you see
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  Speaker 2: this brightly colored top or something that really stands out,
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  Speaker 2: you're hardly going to go, yeah, I'm going to spend
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  Speaker 2: $ 100 on this and I'm going to wear it and
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  Speaker 2: wear it and wear it because people will notice it.
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  Speaker 2: And even if you look at brands like PE Nation,
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  Speaker 2: they were very much known for their bold and bright colors.
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  Speaker 2: But they unveiled this new look at Fashion Week and
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  Speaker 2: they've gone very toned back. So it is a big
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  Speaker 2: shift that we're seeing. And as you said, it seems
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  Speaker 2: to be due to the economic downturn. I really think
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: Witchery was hoping to get a similar reaction to the
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: reaction that Dish got in 2020 for their rebrand. So
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: if you remember, Dish used to sell a lot of
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  Speaker 2: statement pieces and I used to think of them as
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  Speaker 2: being more of a fast fashion brand and have that vibe.
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  Speaker 2: But they switched to sell more staple items.
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  Speaker 1: Basics. Yeah, basics.
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  Speaker 2: And now they're very popular and they charge a lot
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  Speaker 2: for their pieces. Well, last year they reportedly made $ 62.
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  Speaker 1: Million in profit.
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  Speaker 2: And this year they're expected to make $ 98.
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  Speaker 1: Million in profit.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the Witchery team did have a look
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  Speaker 2: at the way Dish has rebranded itself and thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I might like a slice of that. Mm-hmm. I find
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  Speaker 2: it interesting that Witchery are trying to market towards women
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  Speaker 2: in their 20s and 30s, but they haven't adjusted their
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  Speaker 2: pricing for women in those age categories to be able
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  Speaker 2: to afford. Because I had a look online, they're charging
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: $ 399 for a blazer.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And let's remember, they've pissed off their most loyal customers
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  Speaker 2: who actually have disposable cash on them.
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  Speaker 1: So they're going to really have to work hard.
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  Speaker 2: On marketing and these new pieces to the 25 year
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  Speaker 2: olds out there.
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  Speaker 1: Could this be a stroke of genius though?
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  Speaker 2: Because I haven't heard anyone talking about witchery for quite
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: some time now. They're now all over my TikTok page.
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: They're all over the media.
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  Speaker 1: And whilst it is for now in a negative light, I.
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  Speaker 2: I went and jumped on their website and thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: some of these staples are actually quite nice.
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually quite like them as well.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's an unpopular opinion, but if they are trying
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: to appeal to the Gen Z market, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how successful they will be because Gen Zers are very woke.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: They're very conscious about what's happening in the world. And
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: I think they want to support brands that are offering diversity.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not what witchery has portrayed itself to do.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. And are we going to really
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: see Gen Zers spending $ 250 on a pair of pants?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've got to remember, even though they fit into
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: the Gen Z category, they're really zillennials. They're on the
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: cusp of being millennials. And this brand is saying that
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: they want to target women who are forever 30. So
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: I think that they are still thinking, okay, Women in
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: their 30s, it's probably the time of their lives where
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: they are spending money on themselves. They do have a
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: bit of a disposable income. It will be very interesting
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: to see where they go from here. Are we going
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: to see more photo shoots with people who are diverse,
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  Speaker 2: not only in body type, but also age? Because I
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: think that that's what their customers really want to see.
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: I can see a little nose under the bed.
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  Speaker 5: It's your puppy.
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  Speaker 2: TikToker Indie Clinton has caused confusion after revealing her husband, Ben,
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  Speaker 2: gifted her a golden retriever puppy for her birthday. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this comes just weeks after Indie told followers she was
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  Speaker 2: considering rehoming her five-year-old Kelpie, Billy, after he nipped at
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  Speaker 2: her son.
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  Speaker 1: Sophie, can you bring us up to speed?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so in mid-June, Indie explained that she had a
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  Speaker 2: hypothetical predicament.
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  Speaker 1: So she did reiterate, this is hypothetical.
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  Speaker 2: So speaking on her Instagram story, she asked her followers
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  Speaker 2: whether what they would do if they had a dog
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  Speaker 2: that didn't really like kids except for their own. And
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: that dog in question had bitten a handful of kids
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: but hadn't drawn blood. She continued saying, what if you
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  Speaker 2: always trusted this dog 110% around your kids, but one
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  Speaker 2: night things changed.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what else she said.
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  Speaker 3: And then one night the dog was inside because it
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  Speaker 3: was cold. Your child pats the dog like any child
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  Speaker 3: should be able to pat a family dog and the
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  Speaker 3: dog reacts and nips him. So, in my head, right,
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  Speaker 3: hypothetically speaking, I would only allow that once.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if it ever happened, it's once and the
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  Speaker 5: dog's gone. Like, you can go get rehomed. You can
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  Speaker 5: go to another family that doesn't have kids. But when
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  Speaker 5: push comes to shove, that's quite a hard decision to make.
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  Speaker 5: So has anyone been in this position, not saying it's me,
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  Speaker 5: what would you do with your dog? Would you never
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  Speaker 5: give it another chance? Would you separate it for good
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  Speaker 5: and it has no quality of life? Would you chain
• 12:32
  Speaker 5: it up downstairs?
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  Speaker 2: Now, late last week, Indie jumped on her TikTok live
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  Speaker 2: to confirm what we all knew, that she was talking
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  Speaker 2: about her Kelpie, Billy. So she explained she was set
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: to rehome Billy, but got cold feet. She said she'd
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  Speaker 2: found him a new home on a farm with another Kelpie,
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: but when it came to the crunch, she couldn't go
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: ahead with it. Instead, she decided the best decision was
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  Speaker 2: to get a second dog, with a theory being that
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  Speaker 2: it will be a friend for Billy and calm him down.
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  Speaker 2: Now it was Indy's birthday on Friday and her husband
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  Speaker 2: Ben surprised her with a soft toy lion in a
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  Speaker 2: tub with a card saying a golden retriever.
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  Speaker 1: Puppy is on its way.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if he couldn't find a golden retriever toy
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  Speaker 2: because I was thrown by this lion. Yeah, you've got
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  Speaker 2: to go to Ikea to get those cute little golden
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: retriever puppy toys. Now Indy explained that she originally wanted
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: to go to Hawaii for her birthday, but she had
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  Speaker 2: an inkling that that Ben might be getting her a dog.
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  Speaker 2: So she didn't want to be overseas in case the
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: dog arrived. So it's very clear that they have had
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: a discussion about getting a second dog. This wasn't just
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: a surprise that was sprung on her by Ben. Indy
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  Speaker 2: shared a photo of her present on Instagram writing, I
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: got a puppy, a golden retriever. She quickly followed up
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  Speaker 2: with a photo of her Kelpie and wrote, still got Billy, wink.
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  Speaker 2: Just adding to the fun and giving him another bestie
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: I don't have to be pregnant with. Now, I'm guessing
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  Speaker 2: once she posted a photo of the present, people asked
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  Speaker 2: a lot of questions about, oh, did you rehome Billy
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  Speaker 2: and replace him with a puppy?
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  Speaker 1: Because that's what it seemed like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was giving similar vibes to Perth influencer, Kyrie Harvey.
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  Speaker 2: She copped a lot of backlash when she rehomed her
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: family dog, Socks. And that was a different situation because
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: it was due to her not being able to manage
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: the breed. So her dog was very large and he
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: kept escaping from her backyard and It wasn't down to
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: him being aggressive with kids. I do think that Indy
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  Speaker 2: wanted to make it very clear to her followers, though,
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  Speaker 2: that she wasn't replacing Billy. However, I think that this
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: situation is worse and comes with more judgment because it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't sound like any of Billy's aggression has been addressed.
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  Speaker 2: And this just seems like a band-aid situation. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: in saying that, she may have got the dog trainer
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  Speaker 2: in again.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But she's reiterated that the dog trainer said that there's
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: nothing that you can do. But she might have him
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: outside at all times around her kids. We don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the actual issue is. I think the reality is...
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: She probably shouldn't have shared it online because she is
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: going to be absolutely copying it in her messages. I
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: actually don't think she is though. I think that Indie
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: is a very popular creator and people want to see the.
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  Speaker 1: Best in her.
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  Speaker 2: And I just fear for her though, because as you know,
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: we are aunties to two golden retrievers. Kate has two
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: massive golden retrievers at home and they are a huge commitment. Well,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: I think Kate also, I mean, they had one golden
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: retriever and then they got Sunny as a puppy. And
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: I think they kind of bought her as a friend
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: for Shadow and thought maybe it would calm him down
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: It doesn't.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: It doesn't.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Getting a second dog is never a resolution to the issue.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: And particularly not a resolution when a dog has been
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: aggressive around children. And I think the worrying thing is
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: that because she's publicly spoken about it, now there's going
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: to be a lot of judgment if something does happen
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: with her children, which God forbid does not happen. My
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: other fear is adding a new dog into the mix
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: potentially is going to stress Billy out even further and
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: lead to more aggressive behavior because a lot of dogs
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: don't like change.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: So having this new puppy that's.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Going to be getting more attention than him in already
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: what seems like a chaotic situation just doesn't make any
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: sense to me. All right, family check.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Jad's here. I'm here. Baby's here. Checked. Wait, we need
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: to do our outfit too.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: What?
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Show them your hat.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, chirpy boy.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: You're making him cry.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Chirpy boy.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Hey, guys, says your dad.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Jade Tunchi and her husband, Lockie Bricky, have revealed on
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: their podcast that things weren't exactly hot and heavy on
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: their wedding night. The couple said, whilst it's a nice
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: idea in theory, the emotion of the day and the
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: hectic lead-up zaps you of any energy.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think I slept the night before. Then we
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: had this whirlwind of a day.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: It was amazing.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: It was beautiful.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: And then I think we got back into our room
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: at maybe like 11.30, midnight.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Then you got to shower because you're filthy.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: And then you want to debrief.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Then you want to chat. And then you realize I've
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: been up for 36 hours.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: You're probably still hungry, actually, because you realize you haven't
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: eaten anything at your own wedding.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Most people.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: So let me just tell you. You hear it here first.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Jad and I did not consummate the marriage on our
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: wedding night.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Lockie went on to say that they spoke about it
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: the next day and were worried it was weird that
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: they didn't consummate the marriage, but they said, well, we're
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: going to be able to sleep together for the rest
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: of our lives. So it's not bad that we've missed
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: out on one night.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is weird.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I think this is probably the reality for a lot
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: of couples on their wedding nights. People forget you've probably
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: been up for like over 24 hours. You do not
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: sleep before I mean, sometimes you're sharing houses with relatives
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't seem to think that
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: this is weird of them.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Well, Jade predicted that only 5% of couples are consummating
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: their marriage on their wedding night with probably more people
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: stopping by Macca's on the way home. Yeah, it's an
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: interesting one because I think that there's so much pressure
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: for couples that they must do it on the wedding night.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: But I think it's kind of irrelevant now that people
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: aren't waiting for sex after marriage.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Is there some kind of.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Superstition or old wives tale around not consummating a marriage?
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Is it considered bad luck?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Look, there are a lot of superstitions when it comes
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to weddings, but I haven't heard of that one.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I just think that couples don't.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Hold as much value on it anymore because in the past,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: your wedding night was the first time you were ever
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: going to have sex with your partner.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Like it was built up to be a bigger thing.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I have actually been to a wedding where it was
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the first time this couple was having sex. And oh
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: my God, the wedding finished so early. And I felt
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: so sorry for the couple because everyone's like winking at
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: them and nudging them. And I mean, imagine the performance
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: anxiety because when you've had a massive day like this,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you've been up for 24 hours.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: You probably, you know, my wedding. Sounds awful.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was fucking sweating. Like, you got to
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: have a shower. Like, you know, by the time you
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: probably get to it, it was like four o'clock in
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the morning. So I don't think that it's going to
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: be an enjoyable experience if it is your first time.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Here we go. Here it is.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Model and gladiator Jet Kenny sparked confusion when he posted
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that he was in the process of relocating with his
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: influencer girlfriend, Lily Browne. Now, the couple have been doing
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: long distance for about a year and a half now
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: with Lily based in Brisbane and Jet living with his
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Ironman dad Grant on the Sunshine Coast. Now, the couple
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: have spoken on Lily's podcast about their desire to eventually
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: live with one another, but complained how expensive the housing
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: market was. And also, they couldn't decide on which city
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: they were going to live in. Yeah, and after seeing
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Jet's post, followers were convinced Lily and Jet had purchased
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: a house together and were starting renovations. However, it turns
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: out Lily is moving into the upstairs wing of Jet's
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: father's house.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And from what I've heard, the house is absolutely epic.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, from all reports, it is a stunning canal front mansion.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: And it's not really surprising.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Because Jet has two very famous parents, as we touched on.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: His dad was an Ironman and his mum, Lisa Curry,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: was an Olympic swimmer. And in 2011, they separated. And
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: at the time it was reported that they were fighting
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: over their $ 80 million empire. So this house has got
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: to be pretty nice because When you hear that someone's
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: moving in with their boyfriend's parents, you're.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Sort of like, wow, that's embarrassing.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, I probably want to move into this place. Yeah,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: not in this instance.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: No.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: It sounds like quite a good idea. Let's throw to
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a snippet of Lily's plans for their wing of the house.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Crazy high ceilings. We come through here. So this is
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: the room we painted. We haven't done the roof, but
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: we did everything else. Wow, it kind of looks blue. Vibe. Yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And yeah, this is probably going to be our bedroom.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: We're thinking, although there's no fan or air conditioning, there
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: is fan and air conditioning out here though.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I just like that this room is big.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Cause I was thinking could do podcast.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Up here, work up here.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I had to slow down this video so I could inspect.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: What was going on in the background.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Cause it looks like you can even see the beach
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: from the top window of their bedroom. It also has
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: a very tropical vibe because the mansion is surrounded by
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: palm trees. I did spy a blue bathroom vanity though.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: So they've got to get rid of that. I think
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: that is within their plans to totally rip.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Out all of the bathroom.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: It's like a sky blue, like this kind of very
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: bright blue color. I've never seen a bathroom like it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I do wonder what this means for Lily's pajama line
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: chill though, because her warehouse is based on the Gold Coast.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And in a previous podcast, it sounded like she was
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: very much pushing for Jet to relocate there. Well, she's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: spoken before about struggles with money. So maybe this is
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a monetary thing. She's obviously saving a bit of cash,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: staying at Jet's dad's house. And surely she's got staff
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: that can do stuff, you know, at the Gold Coast warehouse. No,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: she has a completely one woman job. So she is
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: managing this all on her own. She did mention in
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: this clip that she will be setting up a home
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: office for And also a podcast studio there. So it
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: looks like she's trying to run everything from Jet Kenny's
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: dad's house.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: We have some new lingerie that just came in the
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: mail and we want to try it on and see
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: how we feel.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: A controversial lingerie campaign featuring three female rugby sevens players
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: has divided opinions. While some have labelled the campaign as
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: regressive and sexist, others argue it's empowering. Amy, can you
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: tell us more about the campaign? Yeah, so the campaign
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: was titled Strong is Beautiful and it was created by
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: lingerie company Blue Bella. So it features Rugby Sevens players
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Jasmine Joyce, Celia Quinash and Ellie Boatman. And all of
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: these women are set to represent Great Britain at the
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Olympics this year. Now, just to be clear, Team Great
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Britain and also Great Britain's Rugby Seven team has nothing
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to do with their campaign. this is an independent campaign
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: that the three women have entered into.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: So the photos in this campaign show the women on
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: a rugby pitch and they're decked out in lingerie, wearing
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: footy boots and long socks. And in some of the photos,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the women are either holding rugbies or there's this weird
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: shot where two of the women are hoisting the other
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: woman up. I don't know if you've seen that kind
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: of pose in rugby where they throw them up in
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the air.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: The whole clip was awkward, wasn't it? It just looked
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: out of place.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: And the women also looked very awkward and almost embarrassed
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to be in it. Yeah, it did have a real
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: awkward tone to it. So what I found most interesting
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: about this story is Blue Bella's marketing pitch because it
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: relied heavily on some stats from a 2022 Women in
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Sport survey. So in this press release, Blue Bella said
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: their campaign was aimed at encouraging teenage girls not to
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: drop out of sport and to show girls how they
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: can look muscular and strong as well as feminine. So
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the release referenced stats, which showed over half of female
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: high school students dropped out of all sport at the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: age of 16. Blue Bella's CEO, Emily Bendel said, we
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: have to change the perception that the strong female form
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: is not feminine. The idea that strength and femininity do
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: not go together is a really damaging perception for keeping
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: women in sport, but also more broadly. So basically they're
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: trying to say, that being feminine is wearing lingerie whilst
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: playing sport. The only way you can be feminine is
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to strip off your clothes, chuck on some undies.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And get on the pitch. Yeah, because that makes complete sense.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's not surprising that this campaign has
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: received widespread backlash. So former tennis star Martina Navarato-Lover labelled
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the campaign as regressive and sexist, while former long-distance runner
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Mara Yamunchi dubbed the ad as exploitative, demeaning, sexist, regressive rubbish.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: She said portraying women.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: As sex objects will not encourage teenage girls into sport. Now, interestingly,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: following this backlash, the Women in Sport organisation, who were
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the ones that released this initial study, came out and
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: distanced themselves from the campaign. So its CEO, Stephanie Hilborn,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: told the media they felt very uncomfortable being mentioned in
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: this campaign without their knowledge.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: She said, we don't.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Believe sexy lingerie and discussions about teenage girls dropping out
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of sport should be in the same campaign. She said,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: this ultimately won't inspire girls to stay in sport. Girls
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: don't need to be told to look pretty on the pitch.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: They need brands to showcase their strength, resilience, skills, and
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: what they are capable of. She finished by saying, elite
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: female athletes should be better paid so they don't feel
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the need to supplement their incomes. Now, others have argued
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: that this campaign was celebrating the athletes as opposed to
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: objectifying them. So fans of the campaign took to social
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: media to praise Blue Bella for featuring strong, muscular bodies
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and highlighting that lingerie is for everyone. So one follower wrote,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: love that this ad campaign is showing my 13 year
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: old that strong is beautiful. So good to show her
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: that the typical airbrushed bodies aren't the norm. Well, another said,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I don't remember outrage when Bex posed in Armani pants.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Was that branded sexist? A rugby journalist called Elmer Smith
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: also came out in defense of the campaign saying women
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: should be able to do sexy, fun, playful campaigns that
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: show the other side of their life.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, they're serious rugby players.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean they can't be sexy lingerie models
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: as well, especially if there's a paying client involved. I
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: think the thing that we gloss over a lot is
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: when we look at these things is people presuppose a
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: male gaze and exploitation and power being at play. But
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: what if subjectively they weren't even looking to appeal to
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: a male gaze? After hearing the sides for and against,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: do you think that this campaign is sexist or empowering?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: It's a tough one because I really respect the opinions
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: of the high profile women who have spoken out and
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: said that they find this regressive and sexist.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Think this would be a totally different story if it
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: was World Rugby putting these women in lingerie and saying, hey,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: come check out our hot players. That's not what's happening here.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: This was an independent campaign that three of the rugby
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: players decided to take part in. So they looked at
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: their campaign and thought, okay, yes, this aligns with my
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: morals and values. And I think that we are showcasing
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: strong bodies in lingerie. I think people are seeing the
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: headlines of rugby players in lingerie and thinking, oh, this
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: is to promote the game itself.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: That's not what's happening.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: But why do we continually have to sexualize female athletes
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: for people to take notice?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Like, why is it only that these women are strong and.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Powerful because they're in lingerie? Why can't they just be
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: in normal clothes?
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Like, why can't they be in their rugby kit? And
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: people go, wow, they are strong and powerful.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: And that's because it's a campaign for the lingerie. This
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: isn't a campaign for people to come and watch rugby.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. That's why they're in the underwear.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I understand all of that.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I think what annoys me about this campaign is is
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: that this company is trying to push this message of
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: body positivity and they're acting like they're doing this amazing
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: work by encouraging women to continue to play sports. When
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: in reality, they're selling lingerie. And what is this ad
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: really telling young women? That in society, we will only
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: respect you and we will only consider you strong and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: beautiful if you're in lingerie.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I don't understand. Why can't they be beautiful in their
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: rugby gear?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is a clever marketing tactic from a
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: lingerie company who were trying to sell underwear at the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: end of the day.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I've got an issue with the campaign over.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I actually think it's quite positive.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: This is an opportunity for women to build their profile
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: through ambassador roles and through paid work so they're getting
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: paid to be in this campaign yeah but if they
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: might not find being in their underwear regressive they might
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: find it empowering we constantly see male athletes like david
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: beckham in this style of advertising and for them it's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: empowering but if there's a huge disparity in power when
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it comes to the male athletes doing it and the
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: female athletes doing it i wonder if these women were
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: earning decent wages, like if they were earning what Beckham is, would.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: They have been in this campaign? I don't think that
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: they would have.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I think the point you're probably making is that they
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: would have more power to say, I don't feel comfortable
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: in this scene.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that scene.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I want to be maybe a bit more covered up
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: because we did actually see the lionesses appear in a,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: also appear in a lingerie campaign. Well, it was for
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the same company and it was, so basically this Strong
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: is Beautiful campaign has been running for eight years. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: this is the first time there has been major backlash
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: over it. And a Guardian journalist by the name of
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Barbara Ellon She made some really good points about this
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: campaign because we referenced before it all just felt a
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: little bit off. So you mentioned before the likes of
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: David Beckham appearing in underwear commercials. If you think about
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the photos that have come out of Beck's modelling for Armani,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: all the photos, he looks smouldering and they're moody and
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: that is because everything was handled by an agent. So
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the photos were taken in the best lighting, everything was
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: signed off on and the men would have been highly
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: compensated for their brand partnership. However, the female rugby players
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: involved in this campaign were earn about 800 pounds a game.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And this is what concerns me. It's this disparity of power.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: And the whole campaign just looked awkward. The lingerie was
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: really revealing, especially when you compare it to the lioness
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: shoot you mentioned. So interestingly, the lioness's photo shoot with
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Blue Bella it didn't spark any controversy. And this is
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: probably because there is a big difference in the quality
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: of photos and also the status of the players. So
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the soccer players who were involved, they were photographed in
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: a studio with beautiful lighting, and they appeared to have
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: more of a say in what lingerie they would appear in.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: So some of the players, they had track suits on
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: as well as a bra, or they had a top
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: on and some underwear.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It wasn't so in your face.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you think that this is a clever
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: tactic to get more people talking about women's rugby? No,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: it's an attempt to jump on a campaign pretending it's about,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you know, empowering women and getting more girls into sport,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: but it's actually just about selling lingerie. And the issue
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I have with it is that women have been objectified
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: for so long. And by continually promoting female athletes in
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: this light, we are telling young girls that women are
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: only valued for their appearance. And if you look at
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the success of the Matildas in recent times. This success
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: hasn't been generated from them stripping down and being in
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: lingerie and ads. Yeah, that's a bit archaic, Amy, because
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: what if these women wanted to be? They might find
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: it empowering to show off their muscles. They might find
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: it empowering to be sexy in front of the camera. Yes,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: they might, but the whole marketing- This is three women's
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: decisions from the team.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. It's not the whole team.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I understand that, but the whole marketing campaign has been
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: prefaced as, We are doing this to help encourage young
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: girls to play sport.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: It's bullshit.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are probably a lot of women who
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: look at rugby and it is quite a dangerous sport.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of head knocks. It's probably not that glamorous.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: So they're trying to bring a little bit of glamour
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: to the sport.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but do it without having them in their underwear.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: But maybe they want to be. Like maybe that was
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: their decision.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: But it's... I would... I.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Assume that it hasn't boosted any more numbers going to
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the rugby.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: It might have boosted lingerie sales. I actually beg to differ.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like a lot more men, not that that's
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: necessarily a good thing, but I feel like a lot
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: more men are probably going to be tuning in and
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: wanting to watch the women's rugby. Yeah, but it's young
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: women that they apparently want. And if you look at
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: what the Matildas have done, it is a prime example
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: of what other sports could do. The fact that the
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: media jumped on board and actually started promoting women's soccer
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: in Australia was pivotal.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Into how many young girls have now got into soccer.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: It started with the Amazon doco, which showcased the playing squad.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: When you watched it, you got to see the girls' personalities.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: You got to see how hard they worked. And that's
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: why Australians fell in love with them and they've got
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: behind them. We're not going to inspire young girls to
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: play sport by sticking women in lingerie with some bullshit
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: notion of it being empowering.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: I have a confession slash story time.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Sarah's day really isn't having any luck with her Prada sunglasses.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: She admitted in a recent.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: YouTube video that she lost her replacement Pradas. Remember my
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Prada sunglasses that first of all, the first pair got
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: stolen and then I bought them again because I loved
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: them so much.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I lost them.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: If this isn't a sign from the universe to stop
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: buying designer sunglasses, I really don't know what is. Yeah,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: because listeners might remember that back in November last year,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Sarah had her designer sunnies stolen from a Cronulla post
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: office when her back was turned. And she ended up
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: creating a whole load of theatrical storytime videos about the incident. Yeah,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: in one of the videos, she threatened the thief saying,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: You've been caught red-handed on CCTV and you've got 48
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: hours to return my sunglasses or I'm going to the police.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: She was slammed online for this with people saying that
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: they were first world problems. and for also wasting important
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: police time on a pair of sunglasses. Well, I was
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: actually quite surprised that they didn't end up finding this
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: thief because I remember seeing a photo of the alleged
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: thief circulating online. Yeah, and it was someone who lived
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: in the area, so I'm surprised that she wasn't dobbed in. Now,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: because the police were unable to get these sunglasses back,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Sarah said that she was forced to buy another $ 650
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: pair of the exact same Prada sunglasses again. She did
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: preface that they were 30% off at the time so
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: she could justify the spend. Well, despite vowing not to
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: buy Prada sunnies again, Sarah decided to try her luck
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: with Celine's this time. So she headed into the sunglasses
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: hut looking for a pair of $ 880 Celine trophy sunglasses. Now, unfortunately,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: they weren't in stock. So the shop assistant persuaded her
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: that two is better than one. And she ended up
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: walking out with two different pairs of Celine sunglasses. I'm
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: not sure of the price of them, but Celine is
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a very expensive brand. I do want to point out
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: that her husband, Kurt, said he didn't like either pair
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and was very underwhelmed, which is just what you want
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: to hear when you've dropped a lot of money. If
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: it was me and I had already spent around $ 1, 200
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: on Sunny's, I'd almost be opting for the service station sunglasses.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think we're ever going to see Sarah rocking
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: servo sunnies.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And I get it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: In Australia, you're going to want something that's going to
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: protect your eyes and have UV protection.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can get that and not spend $ 880. Yeah, exactly.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, would you not cut your
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: losses and go for something slightly a bit cheaper, maybe
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: just without a designer logo on it? Yeah. All right, well,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: we have some bread for you. What do you think? Yeah, disgusting.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: It's just so heavy and doughy. Forget takeaway shops and
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: all-you-can-eat restaurants. Melbourne fashion influencer Rosalia Russian and her nightclub
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: mogul husband Nick are treating their kids to Michelin star
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: restaurants whilst holidaying in France. The funniest thing about this
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: is that the swanky restaurants haven't really been impressing the kids.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: So Their 11-year-old daughter, Willow, has made her feelings known
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: in a journal. It made me laugh because for some
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: reason I got in my head that maybe she had
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: a little notepad that she was writing this all down in,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: but she's keeping a journal on her mum's notes section
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: of her phone. Yeah, and when you say journal, it's
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: more of her reviews on some of Paris' best restaurants. Yeah,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: so the family dined at the Eiffel Tower, and Willow
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: did point out in her review that.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: This cost her dad money.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: $ 1, 060. I wonder if she thinks that that's outrageous or
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: does she think that's normal?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing she.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Did think it was expensive because she listed the price.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Rosalia wrote Willow's budding food critic career off to a
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: good start. Her journal from dinner with a laughing face.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Now in this review, Willow started off strong by saying
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: that their starter of smoked tomato was terrible and course
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: one didn't fare much better with Willow saying it was
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: a weird thing with lobster at the bottom.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Disgusting.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: She described course two as a weird baked cheese thing,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: which was okay, I guess. It was then quickly followed
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: by third course, which was a weird seafood infused sauce
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: with a lobster covered in beetroot jelly and described it
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: as being horrendous in capitals. I mean, I don't know
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: what they're expecting because I know most 11 year olds overseas,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: they just want to go to McDonald's.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly. I would have thought the dessert would have been
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: a hit because she did explain that they had chocolate
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: ice cream with cocoa powder on top and a mousse.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: But she said it was weird and had nuts on it,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: which were bad for her brother and too strong. It
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: appeared their dining experience didn't get any better because a
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: few days later, Rosalia revealed she was struck down with
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: terrible food poisoning after eating at a Michelin star restaurant
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: at the Louvre.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So she said she wasn't hungry. So she ordered a
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: light salad. That night, she woke up at 3 a.m.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and started vomiting. So she vomited.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry for anyone eating, but she vomited a
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: total of 10 times, describing the experience as the worst day.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Of her life.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: To add to it, they were catching a flight to
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Italy that day and she was prescribed anti-nausea tablets, but
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: she struggled to stand up at the airport and she
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: ended up vomiting again all over herself and also the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: bathroom sink. One positive from this trip is I really
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: think that Willow should get into TripAdvisor reviews and she
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: should slam the Louvre restaurant.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how pissed off would you be?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: All these Michelin star chefs and they've got this 11
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: year old who probably would never like their offerings, just
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: giving it to them. Well, that's all we have time
• 38:26
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