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To Be QB? Or Not To Be QB? Wemby’s Spurs Hype & Superteams · Fanatically Speaking with Kent

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what's up everybody welcome to fanatically speaking
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i'm kent i'm log off i'm the log off legend and
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i'm a social media I don't want people to think
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that I get on the internet and start hating people
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on social media. That's not what I do. The first
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half was absolutely, absolutely horrible. You
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know, just inept offense, inept defense, special
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teams, you name it. I'm going to turn into Oprah.
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Why were you so angry? He sucks this season.
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This game, whatever, whatever's going on, right?
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And then in the very next pitch, guess what?
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They double Homer. And he's like, told you that.
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Why are you always knocking down people? Listen,
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you got the highs and the lows. Yeah, so I knew
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that. You need the highs and the lows. So I do
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that, yeah. I'm trying to be the voice of reason
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here. I am what I am. Hey, what's up, everybody?
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Welcome to another episode of Fanatically Speaking.
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I'm Kent, the co -host and promoter. I am Log
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Off, the Log Off legend, hater of social media.
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I'm the co -host and producer of the show. And
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this week, what we're going to do is we're going
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to change things up a little bit. We're going
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to ask some questions and just kind of dive into
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them as best as we can. I want to ask you a bunch
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of questions. I want to have them answered immediately.
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The first question that we have this week is,
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which quarterbacks in the NFL do we think should
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hang it up? Now typically when you think about
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that question you think about older quarterbacks
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quarterbacks that are a little bit longer in
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the tooth But this qualifies to all quarterbacks
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and I'm curious what you got kid. But what do
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you think? Yeah, I think I think sometimes careers
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end early I also think though sometimes the NFL
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gives up on guys early and it's Certain guys,
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but you know, I've seen I've seen the NFL, you
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know give up on a Donovan McNabb a Cam Newton
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a Steve McNair, but they also gave up on like
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a Kurt Warner. The Rams gave up on him, even
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as good as he was. The Giants just had him, gave
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up on him, and then he resurrected his career
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in Arizona again to have a Hall of Fame career.
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So it's a tricky, you know, it's a tricky, it's
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a tricky, right, basically, because you would
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think the NFL, Baker Mayfield, it was over. Sam
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Darnold, it was over. Daniel Jones, it was over.
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Like this season in general, they've been able
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to show that they can still play. So sometimes
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it's true. You think it's over for guys, but
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amazingly this year there's three guys. Baker's
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done it for a few years now, but I think there's
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multiple guys this year, like we just talked
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about, that have done it. And looking at that
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kind of big picture, when you think about the
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quarterbacks in the league that have bad coaching
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situations, and I actually think about this,
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and I'm not gonna get too Eagles heavy, but a
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quarterback like Jalen Hurts, who's had constant
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carousel changes with the coaching staff, head
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coaches, offensive coordinators, and it's a big
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thing that I don't think people think about.
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that affects a quarterback's development, especially
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young quarterbacks and quarterbacks that have
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unique skill sets. So, you know, you're talking
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about like a Daniel Jones who was, you know,
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a rare white running quarterback. He was super
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crazy athletic, had some running ability, you
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know, paired with Saquon Barkley of all players
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and they still couldn't find a way to make that
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work. He leaves, goes somewhere else and has,
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you know, one of the best starts of the season,
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you know, for any team in the league this year.
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So that's I think that is a big point with you
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know Maybe not to give up on quarterbacks a little
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too early But I'm gonna be clear the people that
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I have on my list who need to hang it up. They
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got to go Okay, ain't no help for them So if
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you want to throw a name out there you can or
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I can go ahead and just start up You know taking
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a blowtorch to people because I'm ready and these
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are quarterbacks that are playing right now These
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are active quarterbacks in the NFL that are currently
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signed to teams in one way or another They're
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being paid by NFL teams, and we think that they
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should hang it up. Okay. You're probably going
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to say Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins is definitely
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one, and he's another journeyman quarterback.
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Traveled around. He's made a lot of money, you
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know, capitalizing on that franchise tag, you
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know, type contract. He's made a lot of money.
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a lot of money freelance hired gun quarterback
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and I think his his obviously injuries and age
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of kind of caught up with him you know he's not
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the most athletic quarterback anyway but Kirk
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cursor certainly one of one of the names on my
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list the other name I'm gonna say is probably
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come a little out of nowhere because I think
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he's still in his athletic prime but I don't
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want to see Deshaun Watson play another snap
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in the NFL dude no I don't blame you there I
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mean Not one more snap, not one more snap. When
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you talk about guys who, and this is like a whole
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different topic, but guys who just fell off,
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he fell off. Now, unfortunately, he fell off
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after he got paid, scandal, all these things.
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So now he's injured and he was injured before,
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even when he got signed or traded. So yeah, I
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mean, that's a really good one. I don't think
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anybody really cares. Don't think anybody cares
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to watch him play again Yeah, nobody wants to
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see him play again and and just thinking about
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it like Like bird's -eye view of Deshaun Watson
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so you think about so all the scandal and stuff
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that You know that that happened with him all
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the allegations and the lawsuits the injuries
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on top of it Then he had his let the last year
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he played was a horrific year Terrible, you know
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stats, you know wasn't a good locker room type
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guy But the other thing is, is name another team
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that's gonna take a chance on him to begin with.
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No one wants to take that risk with the legal
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issues that he had coupled with the injuries.
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Then you add that he was a bad player. He came
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in highly touted, he had all the potential in
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the world to be great. and it just didn't work
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out for him. Yeah, I think that guy should go
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and you know fully guaranteed first fully fully
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guaranteed contract ever in NFL history. He's
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got the money. He'll be OK. I don't feel bad
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for him. He put himself in this situation. Yeah,
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I don't ever want to see him play a snap and
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I don't think any fans of any other teams want
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to see that either. No, and again, it's a it's
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it's different topics, but he could be a sports
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villain. He could be a guy who fell off all these
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things. And if he had the talent, a team would
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take a chance. We've learned that in sports.
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Correct. Sports don't care. They want to win.
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Sports don't care. They don't care. Yeah. I mean,
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yeah, teams brought in Michael Vick after, you
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know, he did, you know, a year and a half in
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prison. Right. So yeah. So if you can play, if
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you can show that, yeah, they'll absolutely bring
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you in and give you a shot. Yeah. I mean, you
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know, there's teams waiting on Henry Ruggs, you
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know? So Deshaun Watson, last time he was good
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was in Houston. He wasn't really good, I think.
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at the end of that Houston stint. And then in
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Cleveland, he's never really showed us anything.
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So everything combined, yeah, that's a really
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good one to just say, hey, maybe just hang it
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up. Maybe just go live your life and don't come
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back. Yeah. Out of sight, out of mind. I do have
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another name. It's probably a little more controversial.
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I did want to just kind of land, land the segment
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with it. Do you have any names that kind of stand
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out to you? Mean we could talk about those although
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we talked about kind of an old and young guys
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And guys that the league gave up on or they just
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we just said, you know, they it's got to go I
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Don't have any more names I was just gonna talk
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about how you know, it's funny how some guys
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get picked up off their couch No matter how it
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doesn't matter how old they are. Joe Flacco keeps
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getting jobs Yes Jake and Jake DeLone used to
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just keep getting jobs Vinnie Testa Verde There's
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a really good one and that's a different that's
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a different Category than like the Aaron Rodgers
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the Tom Brady the Brett Farbs the Warren Moons
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who played up into their 40 Yes, no, that's true
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and and there is a you know, just kind of a I
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Want to say, you know Ryan Fitzpatrick was another
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one of those types of guys. He played everywhere,
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you know, Josh McCown was another one of those
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guys, you know, who could just just keep getting
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jobs, being on rosters. But the other guy that
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I'm going to say should hang it up. And, you
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know, I'm glad we're not in the same room, but
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I'm going to go ahead and take out Carson Wentz.
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OK, now I am going to use your own point that
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you just made. And I'm going to use that as a
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part of my argument, which is the fact that not
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only has he been bounced around quite a bit.
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And there always seems to be those guys that,
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you know, much like a Joe Flacco where it's like,
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yep, let's just bring this guy in. I don't know
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what Carson Wentz is like in a locker room, but
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having a good locker room guy is key in the NFL.
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And we've seen guys who have careers for years
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past their prom, past their, you know, their
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impact on the field to actually be able to help
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a team win. because they're a really good teammate
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because they know that they can have to help
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help guys along. And, and you know, when, when
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the going gets tough, they're the guys who've
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got to say the speeches in the locker room, you
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know, they're the ones that kind of, you know,
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help a rookie, you know, understand what the
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practice scheme is, you know, read playbooks,
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understanding things like that. I don't know.
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I can't speak to that about Carson Wentz. I don't
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know, but from everything that I've seen about
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his career, it seems like no one wants him to
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be on their roster long -term. And of course,
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we see what happened with him this year. He had,
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you know, he got an opportunity to play, got
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injured. There is some controversy there because
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they felt like he threw, he feels like he, they
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threw them out, threw him out there to protect,
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you know, their, you know, their, their draft
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pick and JJ McCarthy. But for me, I just think
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it's like, I feel like the tapes run out on them
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and it's probably time for him to take a step
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back. I know you disagree. I'm going to go ahead
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and shut up. Go ahead and give me what you got.
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No, I disagree. I don't know if he's a everyday
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starter in the league, but I think he's been
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good enough to be a backup, right? It seemed
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like he had a good connection with Jefferson
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in Minnesota. I mean, he still can make plays.
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but he also has that, he's like a Jameis Winston,
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right? He can show you these flashes still of
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these great. Jameis is another good one. Hold
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on, great locker room guy with his own set of
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issues. You won't hear of any players that he's
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played with say a bad thing about Jameis. He's
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a good locker room guy, really good rah rah guy.
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Yeah, and not everybody's that, and it's gonna
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play into some of this too. But Wentz, yeah,
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I mean, I think he still could be a backup. I
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think he's serviceable, especially if you just
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go look at every roster and look at their quarterbacks.
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You'll be like, yeah, I take Carson Wentz over
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that guy. And that's what I always say is like,
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maybe he's not a starter. I used to say that.
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Maybe he's not an everyday starter for a franchise.
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But he's better than a lot of these backups and
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a lot of guys that these teams have right now
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on their roster. The other thing I was gonna
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bring up is. not every guy like you talk about
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not every guy can be a backup and and stay in
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the league forever and do that mentor and that
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rah rah like Jamis and One of those guys I mentioned
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earlier was like cam Newton I felt like the league
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gave up on him at one point where he could still
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offer you something I Think but at the same time
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he wasn't gonna be a backup is You know just
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because of the way I mean of who he is. That's
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just not his thing. So I think there's a lot
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of guys like that. They may just say, hey, I'm
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gonna step away. If I can't play anymore, I'm
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done. They don't wanna be a backup. I think it's
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a two, there's two sides to it, right? The league
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gives up or the player just says, I can't do
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it anymore. And then there's that backup role
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they could hang on and still play. Cuz I don't
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think we're just talking about like just starting.
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We're talking about just guys staying in the
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league. Yeah, I'm talking about guys that need
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to go away. Yes, I'm talking about guys who need
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to go into their secondary sports career. Yeah,
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but at the same time, it's a paycheck. They want
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to hang on as long as they can. But Deshaun Watson
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definitely is one that would be one you just
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say, yeah, go sit down. Just go retire. Do whatever.
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I don't think Like I said a team doesn't want
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to don't really want you fans don't want you
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Based on everything personal personal life Scandal
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and your play on the football field is a big
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combination there True true and and I'll just
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I'll kind of end on this You mentioned cam and
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the thing about cam Newton that you know I'll
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throw out there and give him his flowers is he
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might be the best college football quarterback
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of all time. That team that he had at Auburn
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that he dragged to a national championship and
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won on his back. It's it's unprecedented. It
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wasn't pretty, but they won that game purely
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because of him being an athletic specimen that
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helped him in his career. Even though his career
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wasn't crazy long. but he's also a really really
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big personality we saw the things that he's doing
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right now you see those hats that he wears he
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he needs the attention and he needs everybody
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all eyes on him it's hard to have that do second
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third on the depth chart behind your young up
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-and -coming quarterback who just wants to show
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up and punches clock every day and go home you
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know and candidate is opportunities in new england
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you know i think you got a good enough run there
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I wouldn't say that he probably needed to hang
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it up, but it's kind of hard for some of those
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guys. The names that we're throwing out there,
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they were never huge quarterback names. And I
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think that's why we're like, okay, yeah, dude,
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you can go ahead and step away. It's okay for
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us to never see you again. That was probably
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one of the greatest, if not, like you said, greatest
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seasons for a quarterback in college football.
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Cuz he only had the one at Auburn. And then -
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you know he's never officially retired and he
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won't he won't say the words or he won't do it
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he feels like he doesn't have to so that's the
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other thing about cam in the nfl is he you know
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he won't retire which which might be holding
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him back for the panthers honoring him so somebody's
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gonna have to give one day there i mean cam will
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be fine he'll be all right he's doing enough
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we see his face enough but he'll never throw
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another nfl pass again so even if even if he
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hasn't retired officially like turned into paperwork
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we know what it is and you know and not only
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that in the nfl him the only thing him not turning
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in that paperwork is doing is just delaying you
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know the pension that he gets from being a player
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he'll collect it when he files that paperwork
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when he's ready to get that from the from the
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league And then, yeah, and then the Panthers
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will absolutely honor him because, I mean, we
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already know the level of greatness that he brought
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toward the Panthers. For sure. That's easy to
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say. Yeah. I'm sorry. What was your question
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again? Question number two. I'll set this up
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a little bit. So Victor Mwembenyama, last year's
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overall number one pick. We know He's super tall,
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he's super skinny, and he's also very, very great.
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He's been showing out since the tip off early
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this year. I'm sorry, early in the season, beginning
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of the season, and the Spurs have been absolutely
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balling, dominating teams, even really good teams.
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So my question is, is the hype around the Spurs
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and Victor Wimminyama real, or is this just kind
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of a really hot start to the season? Now I'm
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going to defer to you because you are indeed
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a Spurs fan and I'll go ahead and let you have
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the floor. I think it's a mix. I think we're
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seeing what Wimby can be. We already know what
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he is. But I think we talked about this on a
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previous episode of what's that ceiling and I
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mean he's going to be amazing. He puts up crazy
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numbers. He's a freak of an athlete. Nothing
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like we've ever seen. So I think it's a mix though.
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that it's a hot start and the hype is real. So
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again, it's a mix. I believe in the hype, I believe
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in the spurs, not just because I'm a fan, but
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I liked all the pieces they have. They just have
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a good organization and a good system and they
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just know how to win. It's taking them some time
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to build back up. You gotta have the players
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to do it. They've done a really good job of drafting
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guys and then now making some deals. So. I think
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with everything, I think it's real. I think,
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again, we talked about, are they gonna be the
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top team all year or up there? Probably not.
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But being a top four team in the West, maybe.
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And I say hot start only because we see other
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teams having hot starts and then we see the Bulls.
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The Bulls are undefeated at the moment at this
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time of recording. Do we believe in the bulls?
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I know we're talking about we and be but again,
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it's so early and you've seen teams Who were
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without stars? beating teams with stars It's
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just like we talked about with the NFL that first
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month I don't know how long it's gonna take an
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NBA and again each night's different as well.
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So at the moment I'm just going with the Spurs.
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We're saying I'm saying it's a mix and the hype
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is real Okay And to piggyback on that, it is
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a long season. It's 82 games. Injuries play a
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huge role in the NBA because one starter being
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injured could definitely affect your teams and
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where they sit in the playoffs, especially in
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the Western Conference. However, one of their
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better players isn't even playing. Darren Fox
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isn't even out there yet. And they're still out
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there dominating. They've got good roster balance.
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Wimiyama covers a lot of ground on the floor
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as a player. I do believe that the hype is real
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and I'm gonna go ahead and shift things. I'm
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so impressed by how they're winning because they're
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winning in every way. They're winning with shooting
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threes. They're winning rebounding. They're winning
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playing great defense. They're winning, you know,
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blowing teams out. They're winning, shooting
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effectively. As a team, not just when Benyama,
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he's got a really good core of support. And the
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Spurs, like you said, they're a great organization.
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They did a really good job putting a really good
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balanced team around him. I'm going to say that
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they're absolutely a top five team in the West.
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And if they don't make. Oh, I mean, a Western
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Conference finals is really hard for a player
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that young, but I think he's so dominant and
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then that team is so good. They're so well coached
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and that organization is so balanced. I have
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to say that if they aren't competing. For Western
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Conference even if it's just a semi where it
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gets to a game six or a game seven then to me
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this season would be a massive disappointment
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because This is an opportunity. We all knew that
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women Yama was gonna be a really really good
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player This puts him on a Hall of Fame trajectory
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if he could get to a championship this early
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this sets that franchise up for an unbelievable
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amount of success, even to say that they had
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David Robinson and Tim Duncan. You know what
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I mean? This sets it up so early where they could
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go and have a player like this lead, because
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when they got Tim Duncan, they still had David
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Robinson. They still had Greg Popovich. They
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still had a core, really good championship team,
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championship level team. But if he shows his
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ability to be able to lead without tons of veteran
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plays and without a veteran resume, I think it
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gives him a chance to leapfrog a lot of the great
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players in the league that we thought had championship
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aspirations. He could just wipe that out for
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the next three or four years easily if they stay
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healthy. Yeah, the main thing is if he stays
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healthy. That's the biggest thing, right? Because
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we've seen him kind of go back and forth with
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injuries early on. So if he's healthy, yes. And
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don't forget the spurs. Everything you said.
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Perfect, right? Fox hasn't even played. We like
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their lineup. We like their roster. Young, veteran,
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defense, which is what Spurs basketball is all
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about. And don't forget, I believe they still
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have draft picks. But if not, I mean... Draft
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capital, yeah. Yeah, and I think it's a destination
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now. They were named in the offseason as a destination
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when KD was getting shopped and... Other guys,
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so let's not think that they can't make a move
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to add one more guy right it during this season
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and Then they really would be in that conversation
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of challenging the thunder and whoever else is
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gonna be at the top so For real. Yeah, I mean
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like I said, I think the hype is real I also
22:14
think it's just a hot start in the NBA. So you're
22:16
filling it out. They've got all the pieces They've
22:19
got the everything you need to make that jump,
22:23
especially when you just match them up against
22:25
everybody else in the West. Outside of the Thunder,
22:28
that's gonna be, again, they're the ones you're
22:29
chasing. But yeah, Spurs right now, I think,
22:33
like we said, top four, top five, and maybe they
22:35
make a move, you know? Yeah, yeah, and Wimbayama,
22:39
I mean, his stats are crazy. 30 points a game.
22:43
you know, um five or averaging almost five blocks
22:46
a game. Yeah, you know, uh 1314 rebounds a game
22:50
again. It's early. Those numbers are probably
22:52
flatten out a little bit but that is incredible
22:54
along with the support and everything that he's
22:57
getting and you're talking about draft picks.
22:59
I think what's probably most valuable for them
23:02
as opposed to draft picks is the talent that
23:04
they have on that team and the ability to make
23:06
trades. So, they've got good good players on
23:10
that team that they could trade to get better
23:13
fits you know they've got veterans on that team
23:15
that they could trade you know lower the salary
23:18
so that way they're not you know approaching
23:20
the salary cap and and Wimby still on his rookie
23:24
deal so you package those picks with some players
23:27
move some salaries around they could really make
23:30
a lot of noise but I guess for me the answer
23:33
to the question is I do think that the hype is
23:35
real but I think it's only for this year And
23:42
I think that they'll be able to make some noise.
23:45
For me, I will be disappointed, man. If they
23:47
don't make a huge run, I'm gonna be like, damn,
23:50
man, you guys missed a huge opportunity to come
23:52
out of nowhere and shock everyone and take the
23:56
basketball world by storm. Yeah, I agree. Yeah,
24:02
you old spurs, Homer. A little bit. I have to
24:06
be honest. I'll be honest. I mean, I'll be honest
24:09
about him. Like I said, I think they're doing
24:11
really well. And like I said, there may be one
24:13
move away from really being a contender. All
24:25
right, so we'll go right into our third question.
24:28
So this one was more about just kind of the collaboration
24:31
of players in different sports. in all the different
24:34
sports leagues. And, you know, I think the biggest,
24:38
I have to say the best example was, you know,
24:40
the LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Miami Heat super
24:43
team that was actually kind of combined together.
24:46
We saw what they did, you know, two championships
24:48
in four years, four finals appearances. But the
24:51
question is, is why don't super teams win like
24:55
they used to? It used to be a thing where you
24:57
get a compilation of talent. It was pretty much
25:00
a lock. unless something devastating happened
25:03
with an injury or something to that effect where
25:05
a super team was expected to perform. So what
25:09
do you have on that? What kind of stands out
25:11
to you when I ask you that question? A lot of
25:14
it is in basketball, it affects the depth of
25:18
the roster. They change the rules, all these
25:22
things with the cap and where teams can keep
25:25
their free agents, this, that, and the other.
25:28
You see teams like the Suns tried it and it didn't
25:33
work. You know, not enough depth. And they also,
25:37
one of their super team members were, you know,
25:39
an old aging injured guy in Bradley bill. So
25:44
I think it's that. And I think it's just got,
25:46
you gotta have the right chemistry and you gotta
25:48
be selfless. That's the thing you gotta have.
25:51
Everybody's gotta be selfless credit to the heat.
25:54
They were very selfless. When it was Bosch Wade
25:58
and LeBron That's what you got to have to have
26:01
a super team To work for basketball though. Again,
26:06
it's I think it has to do with the roster you
26:07
get three guys on max deals You're picking up
26:11
just veterans and they got to play well together
26:13
and it just it kind of faded out And now you're
26:16
seeing teams that are building through the draft
26:19
even the Warriors. They built through the draft.
26:21
They added KD For a few years, but at the end
26:25
of the day they drafted everybody the Thunder
26:28
drafted or used Draft capital to make deals,
26:34
right? Or use a veteran who wanted out to make
26:39
a deal to get a young guy Barely out, you know
26:42
barely in the league like a SGA So I think that's
26:46
the way to build the teams now It's just T you
26:49
see like the Pacers play as a team and again
26:51
being the Spurs guy team basketball works, man.
26:56
Uh but yeah, you have to have that right fit
26:58
with super teams. I think we're like what now
27:01
about 10 years past the super teams at least
27:05
in basketball but the super team I'll give you
27:08
because it just happened and and it is fresh
27:10
on my mind is the the Los Angeles Dodgers in
27:12
baseball are a super team. Correct. And they
27:16
just won. They are and they just won again back
27:19
to back. World Series and you look at that lineup
27:23
and I know I switched sports just there but you
27:25
look at that lineup because I have to say this
27:27
What are the team has three MVPs in their top
27:31
for their batting order? No, no, no No, no, that's
27:38
a great example and yeah, and that's not even
27:41
us over No, no, no, no, you're good. I was gonna
27:44
cross over to uh... to both football and uh...
27:48
based on that there's like two super teams exist
27:49
in other sports of the dodgers are good example
27:52
the i get the only thing about baseball being
27:55
an outliers the fact that there is no salary
27:57
cap So as long as you can just continue to pay
28:00
guys you can acquire whoever you want I mean
28:02
we've seen we've seen other teams attempt I mean
28:05
obviously the Yankees are the textbook example
28:08
of that and then you saw what the Yankees did
28:11
where John Carlos Stanton, you know playing for
28:14
the Marlins, you know wins an MVP You know, they
28:18
bring in new ownership who just happen to have
28:20
association with the Yankees and the first thing
28:22
they do is trade him there Yeah, you know, so
28:24
I mean so these are types of things that have
28:25
been a you know attempted in baseball before
28:28
is just a little different because it's long
28:30
as you've got the big enough checkbook you can
28:32
pay anybody and but is but but it but it's still
28:36
and it's still hard to do because in and out
28:38
of that let you finish with the dodgers but the
28:40
other thing is just keep in mind okay the dodgers
28:43
yes very hard to do what they did even with the
28:46
super team that series went seven games into
28:50
extra innings so so even with the super team
28:53
that's what it took for them to overcome it and
28:56
actually become, you know, back to back World
28:58
Series champion. So even with that, it's still
29:00
tough. Even when they had all the talent pitching,
29:03
hitting, fielding, you know, front office management,
29:07
branding, you know, L .A., it took all of that
29:10
and it still took extra innings and everything
29:12
happening the way that they needed it to to win
29:15
at the very end in a game seven. Yes, I will
29:17
say the game, the series, everything. It wasn't.
29:22
The big names that stepped up except on the pitching
29:25
side. I mean Otani's Otani He had some big hits.
29:28
He had some big games Freeman with the walk -off
29:31
home run in the one game Yamamoto gets MVP. He
29:36
was the big free agent acquisition in the offseason
29:40
coming from Japan so But the names that helped
29:44
that game last night and made plays were not
29:46
those names, you know, so I give them credit
29:50
for that. Baseball is weird like that. You'll
29:52
get a team like Toronto this year that you know
29:55
Vlad Guerrero Jr. You know Beau Bichette. You
29:59
know some other names, Max Scherzer. But most
30:02
of that team is guys you never heard of, right?
30:06
And they all got together and what we talked
30:08
about team playing well. But still. Even though
30:12
it went seven games, ultimately I'm watching
30:14
it and I'm like, when you have to face that lineup
30:17
for the Dodgers over and over again, even when
30:20
they have bad games, it's still tough. Like when
30:24
you say, okay, the top of the order, Otani, right?
30:28
Then number three, Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts.
30:31
And the other guys on the team are just as good.
30:34
They're just not MVPs. But when you have to face
30:36
a Will Smith, Tiasko Hernandez, Max Muncie. I
30:40
mean, it just never ends. And like you said,
30:43
the pitching staff, I mean, they put so much
30:44
money. And everybody is treating them like the
30:47
Yankees because the evil empire went out. Like
30:50
you said, they got Stanton. They went out in
30:53
the back in the day, got A -Rod. The big contracts,
30:56
they've got the money. And baseball is just weird
30:59
that way, right? Where the owners, if they want
31:02
to spend the money, they'll spend it. So just
31:04
hope your baseball team has a big owner. It does
31:07
hurt I mean that's a conversation for another
31:09
day another episode where you know does baseball
31:12
need a salary cap because Teams can compete but
31:18
like this would have been the one of the biggest
31:20
upsets ever if Toronto would have pulled it off
31:22
if not the biggest upset When you have the greatest,
31:25
I don't think The only the only reason I'm gonna
31:30
disagree with that is because it went seven games
31:32
because like so if if if it went the other way
31:36
yeah and the Dodgers ended up losing I wouldn't
31:39
say it would have been it would have been a huge
31:40
upset because they were competitive the entire
31:42
series they won the games when they needed to
31:44
to get to a game seven and it just didn't work
31:46
in their favor I mean if they would have got
31:48
swept sure I'll give you that okay but but I
31:50
mean but like but they were like they were right
31:52
there like they had it they would have had an
31:54
opportunity to win it even if they didn't and
31:57
it's just so funny when you said that I i don't
32:00
even know if i've ever told you this like the
32:02
dodgers i've always considered them yankees west
32:05
oh yeah they're the west coast yankees like that's
32:07
what they do they just they're going to throw
32:09
a lot of money around they got big checkbooks
32:11
the bank accounts are crazy and they're going
32:13
to pay money for everything because it's 20 million
32:16
people in that metropolitan area and they know
32:19
that they can afford it they're going to sell
32:21
tickets people are going to watch the games the
32:23
dodgers are big or a big deal so they've got
32:26
the money to be able to throw it around yeah
32:28
and they do it in a way i mean they They defer
32:30
money on the contracts. So they're smart that
32:33
way. So I wish, you know, I wish the Atlanta
32:35
Braves would do the same. And as a Braves fan,
32:38
again, it sucks to watch Freddie Freeman in a
32:41
Dodgers uniform win another World Series. What
32:44
do you have on like, what'd you say, football,
32:47
super team? Yeah, for football, it's one of those
32:50
things that's never really worked out. Quarterbacks
32:53
make so much of the money. And when you think
32:56
about star players, the risk for injury is so
33:00
high that even when you have a good top heavy
33:04
roster with lots of elite talent, it's never
33:08
really gonna pan out because there's only 16
33:11
games. A guy gets injured, he could be out for
33:14
weeks. It's never really gonna happen. I would
33:16
say the last, what I would classify as the last
33:19
real super team in the NFL was the Mahomes, Kelsey.
33:24
you know, uh uh Tyree kill Kansas City Chiefs.
33:27
Okay. To me, those those are kind of the that's
33:32
the last like all three of those guys top top
33:36
top at their position. Okay. And it just happened
33:39
to work out and on top of that, we're going to
33:41
give you Hall of Fame coach and Andy Reid. Yeah.
33:43
So, it's like it had to be a you know, perfect
33:46
everything. Role players, awesome. Defense, great.
33:49
Special teams, you know, not the strongest division,
33:56
you know, they were able to get the one seat
33:57
host of playoff games, win a Super Bowl. So everything
34:00
kind of had to work out great for them. And then
34:02
you see what happens when somebody gets hurt,
34:04
you know, and things don't go the way that they
34:06
wanted to. It's hard to have that in the NFL
34:08
as a whole. So just off the top of my head, that
34:10
was the first like last Super Team that I can
34:12
think of. And still everything had to go perfect
34:15
for them, you know, to be able to win those Super
34:17
Bowls. Do you put the Eagles in there as a Super
34:21
Team? because what are the what other team has
34:23
the quarterback the running back and the wide
34:25
receivers that the philadelphia eagles have wow
34:31
so do i classify the eagles as a super team because
34:35
those are the main positions and i mean okay
34:38
you know so i uh okay that's a that's a tougher
34:47
question than i thought it would be i knew it
34:49
was coming That's a tougher question than I thought
34:51
it would be, and my answer to that is going to
34:53
be no. And the best way that I can explain that
34:56
is to me, a super team has more to do with the
35:04
talent and their presence. And those players,
35:10
as great as they are, I don't think they have
35:12
the presence as other... you know, super teams
35:16
historically. Think about some of the other teams
35:17
that we've mentioned. We mentioned, you know,
35:20
the LeBron James, Chris Bosh, D Wade, Miami Heat,
35:23
you know, Spolcher as their coach. We mentioned
35:25
the Kansas City Chiefs, Mahomes, Kelsey Hill,
35:28
Andy Reid as their coach. You just mentioned,
35:30
you know, the Dodgers. All of those teams, all
35:34
the players and the coaches have a presence.
35:38
that kind of transcends what their level of talent
35:40
is. I mean, hell, Kelsey, Kelsey was a big name
35:43
back then. He wasn't even engaged to Taylor Swift.
35:46
Like, you know what I mean? And, and Hill was,
35:48
you know, out there racing, you know, Olympic
35:51
track stars, you know, playing for the Chiefs.
35:54
Mahomes, you know, face of the league at that
35:56
point, you know, shattering, you know, passing
35:59
records, you know, throwing for 50 touchdowns
36:01
and such. So I think it's more than, than just
36:03
the level of talent. I think you have to have
36:06
I'll just I'll use the phrase universal appeal
36:08
where it has to be bigger than more than just
36:12
the sport and how good they are. Saquon's awesome,
36:14
dude. AJ, amazing. Hertz still in my eyes, top
36:19
five quarterback. Oh, for sure. You want that
36:20
guy because he's got an ability to go out and
36:22
win games for you. But outside of football, it's
36:25
not really much there. Saquon's got a lot of
36:28
buzz, you know, because he had a really good
36:29
year last year. But there's a lot of people who
36:32
don't know what Saquon look like. Well, they
36:34
should. especially if they watch commercials
36:37
now because like he's got these little Caesars
36:38
commercials which are really funny now which
36:40
are really funny true now he didn't have him
36:42
last year well no no he was and that's all i'm
36:45
saying that's all i mean i got it just you had
36:48
to have you got to have a little you got to have
36:49
a little more dude i mean come on man we can
36:53
go the Miami Heat they were they were uh it was
36:55
a showstop it was box office everything Press
36:59
conferences to postgame press conferences games,
37:02
you know, I mean commercials, you know Like they
37:05
they ran the state of Florida man for the entire
37:07
four years that they were together So, you know,
37:09
the Eagles just don't have that and honestly
37:11
kind of happy that they don't Okay. Well, that's
37:14
not the type of city they are either but Exactly
37:18
blue -collar hard -working grab your lunch pail
37:21
go to work and they take your ass home type of
37:23
city I've never seen a picture of Jalen Hurts
37:26
in the club. No Just haven't seen it, you know.
37:30
There's barely pictures of him smiling. That's
37:33
true. You know somebody. Ain't no way. And I'm
37:37
going to have to see if I can clip that. There's
37:39
not even pictures of him smiling at the wins.
37:41
He don't even cheer. He don't even celebrate.
37:43
He don't even cheer. He don't even fist pump.
37:45
That dude, yeah, he picks up his helmet, walks,
37:47
goes out, shakes the hands, you know, shakes
37:48
the hands of the opposition, daps up. Maybe their
37:51
coach does a, you know, a post -game interview
37:53
on the field, and it takes his ass in the locker
37:55
room. I tell you what. So yeah, and that's how
37:57
I like it. Yeah, I would say that's, you know,
37:59
I'm glad he's the Eagles quarterback, and definitely
38:01
that's what you want in your leader. You know,
38:04
he's all about business, so. I mean, some people
38:07
like that flash. Some people like all the extra
38:11
that Cam was doing. Some people like that. Yeah,
38:13
I mean, I liked it too. But at the end of the
38:15
day, when you're winning, you do like that side
38:19
of a quarterback that just says, I'm about business,
38:21
I'm about winning. I don't care about anything
38:23
else right now. Let's get to the next one. So
38:26
Hurts in that sense is definitely great. But
38:30
just to clean up the... tidy up this super teams.
38:34
I think basketball, I think super teams is over.
38:38
And then I just think it is as far as winning,
38:41
like we're talking about why don't they, you
38:43
know, win like they used to. I just think it's
38:45
over. I think again, it may come back, but it's
38:49
going to take that right combination, that right
38:51
chemistry and that selfless from these stars
38:55
if they joined together. And then you just got
38:57
to find the right role players. It's a it's a
39:01
it's a it's a it's a it's a recipe that not everybody
39:04
can can uh cook with is if i guess we say i love
39:08
this shit no i love this shit because i i like
39:10
it where it kind of feels like sometimes we rambling
39:13
and then you drop a gym like that that i didn't
39:15
see coming because hold on because i'm gonna
39:16
ask you to elaborate on this i need an explanation
39:18
for this sir okay so are you saying the you're
39:22
saying that the collection of players of them
39:27
Creating combinations of teams by themselves.
39:30
So you're saying that that players is free agents,
39:33
you know I don't I don't want to say conspiring
39:36
because that has a negative connotation But but
39:39
getting together because like what happened in
39:41
Phoenix that fizzled out, you know with Booker
39:43
KD and Beale You know that was more the team
39:47
making that happen as opposed to You know, LeBron
39:51
D Wade and Bosch on a plane deciding to do it.
39:54
So are you saying this from a team perspective
39:56
or are you saying that it's over from a player
39:58
perspective and it working in them winning championships?
40:01
I just think it's over. As far as it it working,
40:05
I don't care how they do it like Miami when they
40:07
did it. Within the rules within free agency,
40:12
but you also it was Miami, so the only you know
40:15
you gotta be a city, a destination city. to make
40:19
that happen. Uh you know, Detroit. I got you.
40:23
I mean, there's teams like Detroit, Brooklyn,
40:27
name the team that's got cap space every year.
40:30
These stars ain't ganging up together to go join
40:33
these teams. Don't go live in Detroit. So, so
40:36
is it more about so, okay. So, wait, wait, wait.
40:38
Here's the thing. So, is it, that's no, that's
40:40
another great question. Is it more about the
40:42
team or is it more about the city? It's everything.
40:45
Now, that, that's it. That's if the guys are
40:48
getting together. So that Miami year was that
40:51
that just happened. It was a perfect storm where
40:54
they're all free agents, right? All contracts
40:57
up at the same time. Miami had the salary cap.
41:00
Pat Riley was like, we're going to get we're
41:02
going to get three guys because I think the original
41:06
plan was what LeBron Wade and Carmelo and Carmelo
41:10
Anthony. Yes. So and but Carmelo had already
41:12
signed his deal with New York and extended it.
41:14
So they had a plan and that's okay. But Only
41:17
teams like a Miami and New York or LA can really
41:20
pull that off as far as free agent wise, right?
41:24
Maybe a Texas team. I got, but I got one more.
41:26
No, no. Cause it's funny. Cause when you said
41:28
that there's one more team and I'd love to see
41:30
it, man. I think it'll just, Oh, I think it'll
41:33
make me feel good. And I think it would be good
41:35
for, I think it would be good for sports in general,
41:37
like forget the NBA and forget, um, like basketball.
41:42
I would love, I would love to see. Oh man, don't
41:48
take me out for this. I would love to see a super
41:52
team in Atlanta. I would love to see a super
41:55
team for the Atlanta Hawks. I would love to see
41:58
a player like Anthony Edwards go there and get
42:01
two ballers to come with him and just shut the
42:05
league down and just turn the NBA into the 90s
42:12
Atlanta Hawks slash Freaknik. Right. I mean,
42:16
yeah. But again, it is love to see it. But again,
42:20
you talk about they got to be in a place to take
42:23
less money like they did in Miami. So your superstars
42:27
have to take take less money, join together.
42:30
It all has to work. And again, guys like to get
42:34
their money nowadays. And again, it's set up
42:36
for, you know, if you're drafted by a team, you
42:38
get paid more if you stay with that team. So
42:42
it's just tougher. Now can a team make trades?
42:46
I mean the Knicks are trying right? They're trying
42:49
to make a super team I think LA is close, but
42:54
not quite there, but if Austin Reeves gets playing
42:56
like he's playing maybe And Luca is playing out
43:00
of his mind so LeBron comes back who knows I
43:04
think there's but to see I guess to see Because
43:08
it's the threes the max right so three guys of
43:12
superstar status joining, it's just gonna take
43:14
the perfect storm. But again, teams can make
43:18
trades, but as far as free agent, I just think
43:21
the days are over, I just think the way it's
43:22
set up and the way guys are wired, I don't see
43:24
it happening. Like you mentioned Phoenix, they
43:27
tried it, it didn't work, which what was funny
43:30
was before that, they had went to the NBA finals,
43:34
right? So they said, we didn't win, so we need
43:37
this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, we're
43:39
gonna fire Monty Williams. and we're now we're
43:41
going to win and they never even came close.
43:44
Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. It boy did it flame out
43:47
and uh but you know, I know Bradley Beal is happy.
43:50
I guess he got he got out of DC and he got some
43:53
money. So yeah, you know, good for him. Fun.
44:04
Now, we're having fun. All right, everybody,
44:06
you know, we typically like to end our shows
44:08
with a fun topic, something silly, something
44:10
kind of off the wall, you know, just something
44:12
that we can kind of just have some fun with.
44:14
So the topic for this episode is who is a player
44:19
that had all the hype coming into their sport
44:24
and then it never worked out for them. They fizzled
44:28
out one way or another. There could be, you know,
44:31
it could be tragedy. It could be, you know, you
44:34
know, injury. you know playing time just didn't
44:37
work out for them you know they just weren't
44:40
that good maybe they were just overhyped but
44:43
for some reason they came in just didn't work
44:46
out for him that's the question um kent do you
44:49
want to lead off or you want me to go i'll lead
44:51
off i'll be quick guy i'm going basketball and
44:55
this guy he was on um you know before he got
44:57
in the league he was he was on magazine covers
45:00
and they he was the next best guard going to
45:05
play in the NBA, all the hype in the world. Sebastian
45:09
Tailfair. It's such a good name, man. He had
45:15
so much hype, so much hype. And what's funny
45:17
is, to let everybody know, when we talked about
45:20
this briefly before the show, we both had that
45:25
name at the top of our list. both of both of
45:28
us did and and and I'm and I'm gonna let you
45:31
go because like I said because there's a couple
45:32
of things about him I don't know if you forgot
45:34
but I'm gonna let you go ahead and I probably
45:36
did and take off I just know again he went he
45:39
was supposed to be the next best thing and he
45:41
just got winner I became a journeyman in the
45:43
league never really gave you anything to say
45:47
oh that guy's a star he just ended up being you
45:50
know a regular just a regular guy in the league
45:54
yeah Yeah, he became a Jag. The main things that
46:00
I remembered about Sebastian Telfair was that
46:03
his games were nationally broadcast on television
46:07
as a high schooler, that he was on all the magazine
46:10
covers, and the other thing that they made sure
46:13
to let you know was that he was from New York.
46:16
He was going to be the next great New York point
46:18
guard. He was also six feet tall. which is, you
46:22
know, may have been generous in terms of how
46:24
tall he actually was. So, you know, maybe he
46:27
was 5 '11", I don't know. But, you know, he had
46:29
a lot of hype coming in. You know, he was a,
46:32
you know, a high draft pick. And that gentleman
46:35
averaged seven points for his career. It just,
46:38
yeah, just did not pan out for him. So, you know,
46:40
that's a damn good pick. Cousin of Stephon Marbury.
46:44
Stephon Marbury's cousin, which also did help.
46:46
you know because Marv Starberry you know was
46:48
kind of a whole thing and but you know but Stefan
46:50
Marbury was a Hooper too so yeah that connection
46:53
absolutely made sense. Yeah I think uh I think
46:55
LeBron started that and then you know the hype
47:00
trained for high schoolers and then tailfare
47:02
was supposed to be that next one and and like
47:04
we said he just never panned out. Yeah, it just
47:08
didn't take off for him and you know, and that's
47:10
not a knock on him You know, maybe it wasn't
47:12
his fault, you know, it's just some sometimes
47:15
you fit sometimes is where you go You know, I
47:17
mean he was he became a journeyman. Yeah, or
47:19
in Boston Minnesota to Clippers Cleveland T Wolves
47:23
Phoenix like he bounced around the league a lot
47:26
and he had a very short career his career lasted
47:29
less than a decade Yeah, I mean you in the NBA.
47:32
Yeah, you can't you know the players that's the
47:35
one thing we talk about now like archmanning
47:37
they the players don't make the hype the media
47:40
and everybody makes the hype and uh correct you
47:42
know it is what it is but hey he plays and sometimes
47:45
it's to their detriment yeah i'm with you yeah
47:47
and uh so so who do you have all right so uh
47:50
mine um same thing his this player's success
47:53
wasn't necessarily in high school it was more
47:55
in college uh razzle dazzle just you know showstopper
48:00
elite athlete um had had the name had the look
48:04
had the um the speech had the personality he
48:09
was highly touted he got a lot of uh a lot of
48:13
facetime which is rare especially when you're
48:15
talking about college football because usually
48:17
you don't really associate a face with a name
48:20
unless it's you know a star quarterback uh but
48:23
this was a running back and i'm gonna go with
48:25
one mr reggie bush yeah And Reggie Bush, one
48:29
of those players where he was a kind of a do
48:31
-it -all type of athlete at USC. And he was doing
48:35
it all, running back, catching passes out of
48:37
the backfield, returning kicks, just supreme
48:40
athlete, started dating Kim Kardashian. It was
48:45
just this whole thing. Who hasn't? got got drafted
48:51
by the saints and it just never took off you
48:55
know he played you know ten years had two thousand
48:59
yard seasons you know uh... is is jars per carrier
49:02
whenever really great it it just never really
49:06
worked for him as as hyped as we thought he would
49:08
be we thought that he would have you know here's
49:12
that like say kwan has had working with every
49:14
last night or mcafee you know where where it's
49:17
like where they come in and it's like you make
49:21
an immediate impact on that team and everybody
49:23
knows that you're the guy. And you've got all
49:27
this extra charisma on the side of your athletic
49:31
ability. And he still had that, but it just never
49:34
really worked out for him as a player. And obviously
49:37
playing at USC, those games were huge. Big college
49:41
program at the time. I think everybody was expecting
49:44
a lot more from him. And I think it's fair to
49:45
say that he was expecting a lot more Heisman
49:47
Trophy winner. And it just never happened for
49:50
him. So yeah, I was going to take Reggie Bush
49:51
as my pick. Yeah, not in the league, right? NFL,
49:54
like you said, Reggie Bush never became what
49:57
we thought or what everyone thought he would
49:59
be. And I think Saquon McCaffrey is a good comparison
50:03
to say that's what we thought he'd be. He just
50:06
never ended up being that. You know, won a Super
50:10
Bowl, but he was just, again, he was a part of
50:12
that team. He was a key piece, but again, not
50:15
the superstar level for the hype that he got.
50:19
And I told you this, and I think we disagreed
50:21
on this. It's so early, but I don't want Travis
50:26
Hunter to end up like Reggie Bush. I agree with
50:29
you. And I will say Travis Hunter's hype is nowhere
50:33
near as big as Reggie Bush's. And I think a lot
50:36
of that just has to do with, like, the media
50:37
coverage. Like, Reggie Bush was, I don't want
50:41
to say he was more marketable. I mean, Travis
50:43
Hunter's a big name, but, like, the Reggie Bush
50:46
push was massive. It was. I mean, he might, yeah.
50:50
I'm sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, go ahead.
50:53
No, I was just saying, I think, well, both of
50:54
them were, at some point... mentioned as the
50:57
top pick of the draft. True. And then the Jags
51:00
made a huge trade to get Travis Hunter. So I'm
51:04
just expecting. He's on their roster. Yeah. I'm
51:07
just expecting more from him. And I just said,
51:09
I hope he doesn't end up a Reggie Bush. I agree
51:13
with that. You know, the Jaguars have never been
51:17
a fantastic organization. But so they were hoping
51:19
that bringing him in as a player would help them.
51:23
But they're going to have to give that young
51:25
man some help. You know, they'll have to help
51:27
out Travis Hunter. And I did have, I had another
51:31
point. Oh, very interesting thing you said about
51:34
Reggie Bush. You mentioned Reggie Bush and you
51:37
mentioned the fact that, you know, he won a Superbowl
51:40
with the Saints. Yes. I guarantee you that if
51:42
you were to go to on the street, any bar, any
51:45
football game, and you ask anyone if Reggie Bush
51:48
won a Superbowl ring, I think you'd be surprised
51:52
at how many people say no. They wouldn't remember.
51:54
He was that much of a non -factor. I mean, he
51:57
was on the team and he played, but you don't
52:00
think of him as Super Bowl champion Reggie Bush,
52:02
even though he is one. And I think that kind
52:04
of helps accentuate my point. I got you. That
52:07
makes sense. Hey, like I said, he never lived
52:09
up all the way to the hype. Yeah, never panned
52:11
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