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Gary Sheffield on Yankees battles, HOF rules, Dave Parker’s legacy · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: We've got guys in the Hall of Fame that played
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Speaker 1: in Colorado, and I can promise you and I can
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Speaker 1: tell you this, if I played in Colorado, I have
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Speaker 1: a thousand home months right now.
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Speaker 2: The Great Gary Sheffield is here with us for the
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Speaker 2: next couple of days to play some poker and join
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Speaker 2: us for fifteen minutes here, Chef.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you, man, Thanks for coming.
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Speaker 4: Good to be here. Man, it wasn't as easy as
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Speaker 4: we would like. But what happened?
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Speaker 3: Wait you mean modern travel is not easy.
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Speaker 1: Not today many like man, these flights, they have you
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Speaker 1: all over the place. So I was, you know, especially
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Speaker 1: when you go through Atlanta.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, not easy, very busy airport. I dealt with
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Speaker 3: some of that.
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Speaker 4: This new too.
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Speaker 2: With the storms down there, Chef, we will have some fun.
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Speaker 2: I do want to start here just to send my condolences.
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Speaker 2: I know you were very close with the late great
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Speaker 2: Dave Parker, and we wanted to wait to kind of
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Speaker 2: talk about this for.
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Speaker 3: When you came here. So first off, I'm so sorry
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Speaker 3: for your loss. You.
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Speaker 2: Dave Parker was such a fun guy to learn about
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Speaker 2: for me. I didn't get to watch him, obviously, but
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Speaker 2: to learn about as a player, I mean had swagged
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Speaker 2: way before the game had swagged. But what can you
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Speaker 2: tell us about Dave For those that didn't know him
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Speaker 2: or weren't able to watch him.
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Speaker 4: Play well, Dave is like a gentle giant.
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Speaker 1: He was one of those guys that he cared for
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Speaker 1: others more than he seemed like he cared for himself.
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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, you know, the thing is
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Speaker 1: when you walk in the door and you see the
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Speaker 1: potential and you he take you und this wing.
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Speaker 4: He teach you the ropes.
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Speaker 1: You know, he shows you things without him trying to
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Speaker 1: teach you how to play this game, He'll show it
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Speaker 1: to you. And a lot of things that I took
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Speaker 1: from it when I first met Dave when they brought
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Speaker 1: him to Milwaukee is that he don't like rules. So Dave,
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Speaker 1: you know the zoomer pants they had he was back
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Speaker 1: in the day, these loose pants, And then they tried
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Speaker 1: to implement a dress code, and Dave didn't go against
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Speaker 1: the dress code. He just showed up with the same
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Speaker 1: zoomer pants and the next day and the next day
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Speaker 1: and he basically told them that I wear what I
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Speaker 1: want to wear. So this guy here, he was, he
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Speaker 1: was a soldier man. And when I sat back and
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Speaker 1: watched him, and he always told me, he said, when
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Speaker 1: you're the man, you can make, you can make things
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Speaker 1: that happened and the way you want them to happen.
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Speaker 1: And they said, you know, you don't have to follow
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Speaker 1: everything I do, but just just just follow my.
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Speaker 4: Lead when I'm doing the right thing.
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Speaker 5: That we were just talking about how teams don't get
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Speaker 5: veterans in. I was just looking at it. You know
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Speaker 5: how old he was when you played with him. I
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Speaker 5: think he was forty thirty nine, forty years old. He
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Speaker 5: was an All Star. Yeah, All Star the year before.
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Speaker 5: You know, we're talking like war, negative war, barely anything,
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Speaker 5: all that stuff. They still brought him in. This is
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Speaker 5: just a prime example of teams used to get veteran
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Speaker 5: guys in and what kind of impact that made on
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Speaker 5: your elite career.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely it was.
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Speaker 1: It was huge for me because I didn't I was
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Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen years old when I made to the big
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Speaker 1: leagues and that automatically told me I was to start
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Speaker 1: and shortstop. And when I got there in spring training,
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Speaker 1: they decided they wanted me to play third, and like
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Speaker 1: I was like okay, I spent all this time in
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Speaker 1: the minor league playing shortstop. I'm two years out of
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Speaker 1: high school. I've never played third base. I'm not playing
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Speaker 1: third base. I'm looking at Jose Canseeko walk up there.
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Speaker 1: These guys are real close to you, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I say, you know, who you're replacing
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Speaker 1: me with is not Caviken Jr. And even if it was,
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Speaker 1: I still wouldn't want to move. And they just moved
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Speaker 1: me for no reason. But that's when they brought in
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Speaker 1: David and I struggled with that decision. And when they
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Speaker 1: brought Dave Parker in and basically he used to every
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Speaker 1: media session I had, he would stand next to me
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Speaker 1: and he would handle all the questions. He wouldn't let
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Speaker 1: the people deal with me in a certain way because
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Speaker 1: he was basically letting people know I was just a kid.
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Speaker 1: You know, this kid doesn't know nothing about the media.
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Speaker 1: He knows nothing about Milwaukee. This is a culture shop,
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Speaker 1: and y'all treat them like this. And so what that
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Speaker 1: allowed me to do is go out and lead the
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Speaker 1: team in hitting that year that same year, and then
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Speaker 1: the next year they got rid of him, and that's
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Speaker 1: what And then I went back to struggling.
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Speaker 4: So that's what he meant to me. You know, it was.
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Speaker 6: Everything, and it's so great to hear that from better guy.
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Speaker 6: But now here's my real question. Was he the best
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Speaker 6: trash talker you ever played with all.
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Speaker 7: Time, all time, all time.
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Speaker 1: Unbelievable all time, like his his sharpness and quickness with whatever,
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Speaker 1: you know, he called Robbie General Custer. Uh, he called
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Speaker 1: Paul Marley the smartest white man in the world. He
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Speaker 1: told He told Greg Vaughn, I wouldn't want you dave
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Speaker 1: my daughter. He told, Uh, Daryl Hamilton, would you rather
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Speaker 1: have a nose full of quarter of a million dollars?
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Speaker 4: That's our biggest So he was just so off the
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Speaker 4: top with this.
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Speaker 1: It was like he had everybody loose and laughing, and
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Speaker 1: it's just it's a wonderful place, the wonderful guy to
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Speaker 1: be around and play baseball in front of. Because he
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Speaker 1: had everything loose. What did it mean to him to
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Speaker 1: get elected to the Hall of Fame? And to me,
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Speaker 1: the biggest tray, you know, travesty tragedy.
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Speaker 6: Is that he's not going to get to do the
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Speaker 6: speech either when he actually gets inducted into the Hall
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Speaker 6: of Fame. But at least he got to know he
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Speaker 6: was going to a place where he should have been
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Speaker 6: a long time ago.
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Speaker 1: Well that's the part where it was hard for me.
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Speaker 1: You know, his wife is wonderful, Kelly is an amazing woman.
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Speaker 1: I was crying the whole day. And she was like,
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Speaker 1: I know she my wife called her and I couldn't
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Speaker 1: talk at the time. So she got me on the
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Speaker 1: phone and she said, you and you better call me
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Speaker 1: like this whatever. And then she was like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I say, I'm so upset with major League Baseball in
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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame because it's not funny no more.
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Speaker 1: We're playing with people's lives that deserve to be here
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Speaker 1: and they never got a chance to walk across that stage.
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Speaker 4: And that bothered me to the core.
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Speaker 1: And and she said, Gary, one thing that Dave knew
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Speaker 1: is that he's in.
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Speaker 4: And that's what she said to me.
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Speaker 1: And she said, I know what he meant to you, son,
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Speaker 1: he said, but he knew he was going in and
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Speaker 1: that was enough for him.
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Speaker 4: You're about you. Well, that's all the way.
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Speaker 1: My emotions probably came from you, you know, because these guys,
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Speaker 1: you know Pete Rose, you know, I didn't understand the
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Speaker 1: mistake he made.
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Speaker 4: Well, Pete Rose was baseball to me.
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Speaker 1: You know, I grew up watching Pete Rose at a
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Speaker 1: low pass field, and when the guys made mistakes.
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Speaker 4: We still cheered for them. We rooted for those guys.
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Speaker 1: And I remember he had missed the ball and I
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Speaker 1: was in the stand saying, you'll get the next one.
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Speaker 1: So we didn't understand that negative press and that negative
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Speaker 1: stuff towards baseball players. And when Pete Rose had died
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Speaker 1: and didn't get to walk across that stage, I had
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Speaker 1: that same emotion.
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Speaker 2: So did you think that, you know, he should have
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Speaker 2: been in long ago? Were you on that side? And yes,
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Speaker 2: I mean obviously you didn't have to say per se,
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Speaker 2: But what did you think of the way it played
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Speaker 2: out where then he passes and soon after that they
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Speaker 2: changed the rule.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think, man, he's been doing a wonderful job
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Speaker 1: and trying to change some things, and I just think
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Speaker 1: with Pete he made some mistakes along the way after
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Speaker 1: the fact, when they gave him a chance to be
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Speaker 1: reinstated and he didn't take the right steps. I understand that.
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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we want baseball
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Speaker 1: to be represented the right way. We care about the game.
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Speaker 1: We wanted to be spoken in the right way, history
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Speaker 1: told the right way. And Pete Rose not in the
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and these guys not in the Hall
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Speaker 1: of Fame, then how can we really say what baseball
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Speaker 1: really is because we've got guys in the Hall of
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Speaker 1: Fame that played in Colorado. And I can promise you
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Speaker 1: and I can tell you this, if I played in Colorado,
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Speaker 1: I have a thousand months right now.
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Speaker 6: So that kind of question, it's like for you, yeah, right,
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Speaker 6: you didn't get voted in no, no, but you have
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Speaker 6: five hundred nine home.
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Speaker 7: That's because it's on your call back, by the way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll get that for you.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll get that. But you know you mentioned he
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Speaker 7: made some mistakes. Whatever with you.
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Speaker 6: But to me, if you want to talk about this,
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Speaker 6: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, some of those guys, they deserve
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Speaker 6: to be in because of what they did. But then
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Speaker 6: I also look at other people. Al Trodriguez ran but
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Speaker 6: he did, but he did it after this stuff was
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Speaker 6: not like allowed, and he missed a year because he
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Speaker 6: cheated so badly. Right, So that's to me is where
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Speaker 6: it's a different thing, because I don't know, like to me,
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Speaker 6: I look, five hundred nine home runs.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: No, You're right, everybody's circumstances different. You can't treat everybody
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Speaker 4: agree because everybody can't tell me.
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Speaker 6: There's not guys in the Hall of Fame that didn't
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Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying, that didn't do Steroi, right, I mean,
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Speaker 6: come on that part.
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Speaker 1: So the thing is is that, yeah, these guys need
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Speaker 1: to be in. But if you're going to give a penity,
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Speaker 1: you know, give a penity. There was never anything that
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Speaker 1: said only one thing they said, van of life is gambling,
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Speaker 1: nothing else. And so now they've been a judge and
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Speaker 1: the jury and then my case, how do I go
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Speaker 1: from being a witness to a suspect? And so that's
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Speaker 1: where that's for me. My situation is totally different than
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Speaker 1: Barry Bonds. I trained with him, so that's why they
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Speaker 1: called me in as a witness. And once I told
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Speaker 1: him what I knew and what I saw, I said
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Speaker 1: to the juror, I said, let me let me ask
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Speaker 1: y'all one thing.
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Speaker 4: I say, you think Barry Bonds will bring me down
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Speaker 4: here and let me know he's a cheater, I said.
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Speaker 1: Barry Bond's ego is too big to let let anybody
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Speaker 1: know anything about him.
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Speaker 4: He wants you to know he's the.
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Speaker 1: Best now person like me, and I felt like I
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Speaker 1: was one of the top five top ten baseball players
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Speaker 1: in the world at the time. I want to know
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Speaker 1: who's really better than me? And if you gonna, is
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Speaker 1: he gonna let me know? Oh, I'm a steroid user
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Speaker 1: and that's how I'm better than you. He would never
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Speaker 1: do that. So that's that's the whole point. And so
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Speaker 1: everybody's situation different. I walked into a situation. I didn't
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Speaker 1: know what I was walking into. But they don't want
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Speaker 1: to look at it that way. But that's the way
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Speaker 1: you want to do it.
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Speaker 4: Go trick.
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Speaker 1: Check what I did after the fact when y'all said, okay,
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Speaker 1: we're want to test, my numbers went up. Everything I
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Speaker 1: did went up. So I look at all of this
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Speaker 1: is I would suggest everybody put their cards on the table.
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Speaker 1: Let's put all our cards on the table and they
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Speaker 1: see who did what.
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Speaker 3: And you know that most people won't say crap.
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Speaker 2: They're not as transparent, right, and especially the people that
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Speaker 2: did do anything, they're not going to talk right for
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Speaker 2: the most part. Is there anything that can be done?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I know that you know your case has
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Speaker 2: been stated. You've You've been super transparent and open about it.
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Speaker 2: Like do you talk writer to writer? Do you talk
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Speaker 2: to some of them and say, hey, like I want
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Speaker 2: to get an idea of where you're at.
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Speaker 3: Or it's just not worth doing something like that.
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Speaker 1: It's not worth it to me because my thing is
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Speaker 1: I did what I did on the baseball field, and
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Speaker 1: if I got to be I gotta go campaign for
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Speaker 1: what I did.
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Speaker 4: I can't go back and get another home run. This
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Speaker 4: is all start I could. Actually I don't know about that.
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Speaker 4: But see the thing is that this.
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Speaker 1: Whole thing started with me in two thousand and four
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Speaker 1: and the guy John Hayman, and I'll be straight up
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Speaker 1: and i'll name him.
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Speaker 4: I'll make you famous today. But this guy that started
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Speaker 4: all of this.
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Speaker 1: You know, when I got to the Yankees, I went
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Speaker 1: in early, and I went in to drop my stuff
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Speaker 1: off because I lived in Tampa. So I got media
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Speaker 1: coming all out of the woodworks. You know, at my locker,
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Speaker 1: I had probably fifteen people at the locker and it
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Speaker 1: wasn't even spring training yet, and so I'm sitting there
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Speaker 1: talking and I'm answering all the questions, and out of nowhere,
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Speaker 1: John Hayman goes, hey, you've been an advocate steroids. Would
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Speaker 1: you be the first guy to take a test to
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Speaker 1: prove your innocence? And so I knew what he thought
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Speaker 1: was gonna happen. He thought he had a player that
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Speaker 1: he can intimidate and make him freeze. So what I
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Speaker 1: told him? I said, as a matter of fact, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I got my Rose Ross outside. You can ride with
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Speaker 1: me and my Rose Ross and I'll take you to
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Speaker 1: the clinic. You say you have to take this test
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Speaker 1: the PR department with the Yankees, like, no, Gary can't
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Speaker 1: do that.
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Speaker 4: I can't do that. You know you can't do that, and.
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Speaker 1: You know the union and all of this type of stuff.
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Speaker 1: He started to explaining me. I said, I don't care
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Speaker 1: about that. And this guy think he gonna intimidate me.
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Speaker 1: Is he's wrong? I said, I'm not scared of anything.
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Speaker 1: I said, as a matter of fact, I want you
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Speaker 1: to draw my blood as well as you get my urine,
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Speaker 1: and I want you to keep it for the next
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Speaker 1: hundred years. And down he froze. Okay, let's go. He
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Speaker 1: don't have nothing. No, let me make a call. I say,
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Speaker 1: I thought you had it. So then he goes on
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Speaker 1: the air to ESPN after that, and I'm sitting at
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Speaker 1: home with my wife and kids, and I see that
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Speaker 1: he said that he asked me a steroid question, and
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Speaker 1: I got up tight and irate. So I went and
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Speaker 1: got on the station and I told him, and I
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Speaker 1: told the true story of what happened.
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Speaker 4: He asked me the question.
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Speaker 1: I said, yes, you can ride in my car to
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Speaker 1: go do it, and he had nothing and that's what happened.
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Speaker 3: Wow, And I started.
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Speaker 1: Yes, because then you remember that's the same year a
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Speaker 1: Rod struggled and Jeter struggle. They I just hit three
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Speaker 1: thirty nine thirty nine, one hundred and thirty six rbs
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Speaker 1: with the Braves the year before. When a Rod came,
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Speaker 1: they they moved me from third to fifth hitter, and
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Speaker 1: I told Joe Tory.
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Speaker 4: I'm the best hit on this team. I should be
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Speaker 4: hitting third, and they put me fifth.
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Speaker 1: Mass form and they struggle, and so all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: Man matts SUI carried the team, keeping us afloat, and
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Speaker 1: every day in the media, when John Haymen come to
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Speaker 1: my locker, I answered all the question for everybody else.
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Speaker 1: He put the microphone up and says what does it
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Speaker 1: feel like to be overshadowed by Derek Jeter and a
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Speaker 1: Rod This went on for two months, that question.
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Speaker 4: That question, Wow, how did you handle it? I basically
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Speaker 4: said next I said, next question? Yeah, because I was.
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Speaker 4: I was.
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Speaker 1: I just got here. I didn't want to be a distraction.
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Speaker 1: But see, this is what people don't understand about the media.
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Speaker 1: When it came to me, and Jeda even stepped in
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Speaker 1: and say, hey, man, won't you just give them moore
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Speaker 1: and answers, I say, well, that's the difference between me
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Speaker 1: and you. I'm the reason and you're the reason why
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Speaker 1: the world goes around because we are different. Yep, I said,
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Speaker 1: you get to ask certain questions that you would never
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Speaker 1: get the questions asked that I get.
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Speaker 4: See your question is different.
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Speaker 1: They're talking at me, and I said, so you got
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Speaker 1: to respect the fact that I've held it together, this
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Speaker 1: loan for twenty two years based on the questions that
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Speaker 1: I have to answer.
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Speaker 3: That's a great point.
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Speaker 6: Everyone gets different questions, different asked differently. They could be
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Speaker 6: kind of the same, but they're asked differently. I agree, Yeah, depending.
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Speaker 7: On who you are.
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Speaker 3: You've seen that a ton I've.
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Speaker 7: Seen it a ton. My question is, and we're gonna
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Speaker 7: change subjects. We could talk about this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 6: We've talked about this too. Two thousand and four Red
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Speaker 6: Sox Yankees to come back. You were part of it.
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Speaker 7: Yeah. Is that the worst moment of your career?
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Speaker 5: It is?
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Speaker 7: It is because have you had a great series?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had this perception.
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Speaker 5: Look it up.
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Speaker 4: I had this perception of the Yankees before I got there.
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Speaker 1: I felt like when I walked in the door, this
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Speaker 1: is the automatic championship because I knew what my numbers
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Speaker 1: was gonna be.
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Speaker 4: I predicted these numbers in spring training.
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Speaker 1: I told him marked down thirty five home runs, one
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Speaker 1: hundred some RBIs one hundred run scored, three hundred. I
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Speaker 1: did all those things. So that automatically told me we're winning.
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Speaker 1: And so when you look at it, yeah, we lost.
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Speaker 1: But if I was to ask you, if you had
16:30
Speaker 1: to do it, we had to do it over again.
16:31
Speaker 1: We put Mariano on the mound and the ateh the
16:33
Speaker 1: ninth in him. How many chances, I mean, how many
16:36
Speaker 1: time we're gonna lose?
16:38
Speaker 5: History says that time in game seven of the right.
16:42
Speaker 1: And so what happened was that time it didn't happen
16:46
Speaker 1: because he's been in that situation a thousand times, all
16:49
Speaker 1: six of the championships. He's probably been on the mound
16:53
Speaker 1: now when it came to two thousand and four and
16:56
Speaker 1: against the Angels as well, he was on the mound.
16:58
Speaker 1: We was winning and he lost. And I wouldn't say
17:02
Speaker 1: he lost, we all lost, but he was standing on
17:05
Speaker 1: the mound when we didn't win that game. That's good stuff.
17:09
Speaker 5: That's a good that's a good way to look at it,
17:11
Speaker 5: because like you could sit there and be bitter, you
17:15
Speaker 5: could sit there and be whatever, right selfish, like oh
17:19
Speaker 5: I did all my life.
17:22
Speaker 7: That's that's.
17:23
Speaker 5: One team wins, one team loses, and the capitalized.
17:26
Speaker 1: See I always said, and this is where I when
17:29
Speaker 1: I look back at it.
17:31
Speaker 4: One thing Jim Leland didn't do. Jim Leland was the
17:34
Speaker 4: type of manager.
17:36
Speaker 1: He would not let you see the pictures that he's
17:39
Speaker 1: gonna depend on for us to get you out with
17:42
Speaker 1: like sat fences the Florida Marlins. We recruited three players
17:46
Speaker 1: in December, left hand pitchers just for Barry Bonds, just
17:50
Speaker 1: for him.
17:51
Speaker 4: And I guarantee you during the season, Barry.
17:55
Speaker 1: Bonds didn't get to face him at all, but he
18:00
Speaker 1: would set it up for everybody else. But he knew
18:02
Speaker 1: those three guys can get Barry Barnes out and he
18:05
Speaker 1: would not let him see him. And what happened when
18:07
Speaker 1: we got to the playoffs. Every time Barry Bonds third
18:10
Speaker 1: at back and fourth at back, he would he would
18:12
Speaker 1: see these lefties coming in. He got two chances doing
18:15
Speaker 1: the game to beat us. And if he didn't, those
18:18
Speaker 1: next those next two you getting matchup problems.
18:21
Speaker 5: Some people playing chess, some people playing chess, right, and.
18:24
Speaker 1: So what what what the disadvantage Mariano faces facing Boston.
18:30
Speaker 4: We're facing them eighteen times, and he's.
18:32
Speaker 1: Closing out every game that we win, and so they
18:35
Speaker 1: just get You could start seeing the at bats during
18:38
Speaker 1: the season get better and better against him and better.
18:41
Speaker 4: And I'm like that kid Mallard, he just he kills him.
18:44
Speaker 4: And but you're facing him.
18:46
Speaker 1: You got fifteen at bats off of him before the
18:49
Speaker 1: you know, the playoffs.
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Speaker 7: He was kind of the fake Kerry Sheffield too.
18:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you were all they remember them all to
19:00
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20:27
Speaker 2: minutes on the state of the game right now. I'll
20:29
Speaker 2: leave it super broad to start. Where are you at? Like,
20:32
Speaker 2: what do you love about it? What do you wish we.
20:34
Speaker 3: Had more of?
20:36
Speaker 2: Part of this obviously comes up to me when I
20:38
Speaker 2: start to read more about Dave Parker and just the
20:40
Speaker 2: way that he played the game, the things that he said,
20:43
Speaker 2: and I'm like, damn, I feel like we're missing a
20:44
Speaker 2: lot of that right now.
20:46
Speaker 1: And that's what I like about Bryce Harper. Bryce Harper
20:49
Speaker 1: is a little old school, you know. He does it
20:51
Speaker 1: his way, his style, his brand, and he don't compromise
20:55
Speaker 1: for anyone. And I think that's wonderful and I think
20:57
Speaker 1: people gravitate to that. And I see how Key react
21:00
Speaker 1: to him, which is in a positive way, which is
21:03
Speaker 1: good for baseball. But the part I don't like about
21:05
Speaker 1: the game. They turn the kids into robots. The athletes
21:08
Speaker 1: are gone. You have some athletic players, but when you
21:12
Speaker 1: when you take away speed, you take away athleticism.
21:16
Speaker 4: And so.
21:18
Speaker 1: When we're talking about this, they talk about guys that
21:22
Speaker 1: more velocity speeding against that.
21:25
Speaker 4: And so the more speed and more guys I can
21:27
Speaker 4: get on these.
21:27
Speaker 1: Base pads, it'll neutralize that that that velocity because Now
21:31
Speaker 1: I'm gonna.
21:32
Speaker 4: Make you feel your position.
21:33
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you work harder at your craft than
21:35
Speaker 1: just throwing a baseball by me and tricking me.
21:38
Speaker 4: Now we're gonna play the other part of the game.
21:40
Speaker 1: And so for me, uh, this brand of baseball, I
21:43
Speaker 1: don't like to watch it because I don't like to
21:46
Speaker 1: see nothing happening. Because every ind and something should happen.
21:51
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's three strikeouts or whatever, but it's
21:54
Speaker 1: gonna be something that looks different the next ending. We
21:56
Speaker 1: may have three bunts, but we're not just gonna walk
21:59
Speaker 1: up here and try out and not put runners on
22:01
Speaker 1: base and make the pitch up, you know, work and
22:05
Speaker 1: these guys just sitting in the backyard just you know,
22:07
Speaker 1: changing on tea and just throwing the ball and then
22:10
Speaker 1: going back to the doug out nothing else happened.
22:12
Speaker 4: You got to make things happen.
22:14
Speaker 5: Who's who can make that shift? You think teams have to,
22:18
Speaker 5: you think players have to. You talk about like veterans
22:20
Speaker 5: talking to guys at the end of our careers. You
22:24
Speaker 5: talk to guys and it's like, hey, the longer you
22:25
Speaker 5: stay in the game, if you're looking to make money,
22:27
Speaker 5: the longer you stay in the game more money you
22:30
Speaker 5: make right now. The teams put these teams together, and
22:33
Speaker 5: it's they play the brand of baseball that they want
22:35
Speaker 5: to play. Can players change it?
22:37
Speaker 1: No, the players can't change it. That's why I say
22:40
Speaker 1: it's not their fault. I said, the brand of baseball
22:43
Speaker 1: that we're watching, it's not the player's fault.
22:44
Speaker 4: That's what they're asking for. They're asking these.
22:46
Speaker 1: Guys to go up here, hit home run, swing with
22:48
Speaker 1: this uppercut, and that's it. And so you I talk
22:52
Speaker 1: to a lot of kids and when I talk to them,
22:55
Speaker 1: they have no and I mean zero understanding about hitting,
22:59
Speaker 1: like zero.
23:00
Speaker 4: They basically tell me.
23:01
Speaker 1: I remember I went and took this kid on the
23:05
Speaker 1: mentorship of dinner like a mentoring players, and they said
23:10
Speaker 1: to me, well that I said, what happened on this
23:14
Speaker 1: this one one count? And he said, well, they want
23:17
Speaker 1: to swinging on that count no matter what I said,
23:19
Speaker 1: what that means. So basically, they got a scouting report
23:23
Speaker 1: that's set up that says, when you get to this count,
23:26
Speaker 1: we want you to swing, no matter what.
23:29
Speaker 3: For what. Because they think there's a certain.
23:31
Speaker 4: Pitch, they know that a certain picture is coming.
23:34
Speaker 2: They're saying the probability of this pitch. Yes, you shouldn't
23:39
Speaker 2: have a field swing that.
23:41
Speaker 6: Because as a catcher, I'd be like, you know they
23:43
Speaker 6: have we run in the cover to stop right.
23:48
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you're like, oh, it's one one he has
23:50
Speaker 7: to swing. Yes, completely different.
23:53
Speaker 1: But I don't say so because he's a catcher. But
23:58
Speaker 1: I know he can reading. He can read situations. You
24:01
Speaker 1: know what this guy got And I look at your swing,
24:04
Speaker 1: I know what to call. I mean, that's easy.
24:06
Speaker 4: So they don't do that. But they don't do that.
24:07
Speaker 7: They don't do that.
24:08
Speaker 1: No, they basically, he basically told me that when this
24:11
Speaker 1: count happens, we have to swing on this count, not
24:14
Speaker 1: the first pitch.
24:15
Speaker 5: Young young kid.
24:17
Speaker 6: Yes, it's like it's like I watch pictures now with
24:19
Speaker 6: this little thing on their glove or they call their
24:21
Speaker 6: old pitches.
24:21
Speaker 7: How can you throw a ball?
24:23
Speaker 6: As a catcher, you can see the hitter because you
24:25
Speaker 6: see the ball and now you can watch the hitter.
24:27
Speaker 7: But how can a pitchers throw the ball?
24:28
Speaker 6: Most of them jerk their head down right and by
24:30
Speaker 6: the time they look back up, the ball has already
24:32
Speaker 6: been hit somewhere.
24:33
Speaker 7: How do they know what the swing looks like? And
24:34
Speaker 7: they're calling the game.
24:35
Speaker 4: That's why he's rely on you guys.
24:36
Speaker 7: But they don't know the pictures.
24:39
Speaker 6: Joey has it on a sleeve, right, and pitchers have
24:43
Speaker 6: it on their glove where they can call the pitches.
24:44
Speaker 4: But you know you can't.
24:46
Speaker 7: You can't throw the ball look down. By the time
24:48
Speaker 7: you look back up, the balls hit somewhere foul off.
24:50
Speaker 7: I didn't know what you did, right.
24:52
Speaker 4: Well, that's why I say they have to rely on
24:53
Speaker 4: you catchers.
24:54
Speaker 7: I wish because I.
24:55
Speaker 1: Wish they would, but what but the game today is
24:59
Speaker 1: not appilling to watch.
25:01
Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to knock the game. I want
25:03
Speaker 4: it to be good. And the thing is.
25:05
Speaker 1: That when somebody tell you, you know this, AJA, when you
25:09
Speaker 1: do this with your this show that the first movie
25:11
Speaker 1: is that my hands in the afterc it's not in
25:14
Speaker 1: the best position possible. But when I go here, I
25:18
Speaker 1: can go there. I can go there, or I can
25:20
Speaker 1: go here. Once I go here, But when I do this,
25:23
Speaker 1: I'm done. And this is what they're teaching. And I'm
25:26
Speaker 1: not saying you can't have success swinging up sometimes because
25:30
Speaker 1: done Malley. I told her, I can't hit no knuckleball.
25:34
Speaker 1: I don't know how to hear knuckleball, and he said, Gary,
25:37
Speaker 1: slow the wiggle down and swing up. And I did that,
25:41
Speaker 1: and Wakefield and everybody else couldn't get me.
25:43
Speaker 4: Out of this. So I'm saying. What I'm saying technically
25:48
Speaker 4: is I would.
25:49
Speaker 1: Take the data that they have today, but I would
25:52
Speaker 1: take the old school and make it a marriage and
25:55
Speaker 1: create magic.
25:56
Speaker 4: That's what I would. That's what I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:01
Speaker 7: And by the way, you and Wakefield is a bad
26:04
Speaker 7: matchup for r I p Tim, But that's.
26:07
Speaker 3: Wad a bad match saw it.
26:09
Speaker 4: At the beginning. It was bad for me really. Oh yeah.
26:12
Speaker 1: I was swinging down because I swing, I think this
26:16
Speaker 1: and that ball just shoot up, rise up in my swing,
26:20
Speaker 1: just go right by, Like I walked back to do
26:22
Speaker 1: don I.
26:25
Speaker 5: Who was playing third for the Red at that time.
26:27
Speaker 4: That's what the bad matchup was. Then play back, but
26:32
Speaker 4: they didn't know I couldn't hit it.
26:34
Speaker 1: And then when he told me that, I didn't even
26:37
Speaker 1: understand what he was saying, just swing up. I didn't
26:40
Speaker 1: know how to do it. I didn't know how to swing.
26:42
Speaker 1: I was always a guy that swing this way. My
26:45
Speaker 1: first move is this, and when I did it, home run.
26:50
Speaker 5: That's great.
26:51
Speaker 4: It was it was the ball.
26:52
Speaker 1: Just I saw the ball so much better when I
26:54
Speaker 1: just stayed going up. But when I'm when I'm hitting
26:58
Speaker 1: like this, Patro, everything is once that goes here. Pedro
27:02
Speaker 1: got you.
27:05
Speaker 2: What about the game from an entertainment perspective, So you know,
27:08
Speaker 2: we do have the pitch clock that comes into play,
27:10
Speaker 2: so at least that kind of sped things up. And
27:13
Speaker 2: then also the way that obviously we've got the Juggernauts,
27:16
Speaker 2: and then there are some teams that are a tough watch,
27:20
Speaker 2: you know. And it's been going for years now, right,
27:23
Speaker 2: the Rockies, the Pirates, It's been a long time.
27:27
Speaker 3: Any thoughts on how we can get that to change.
27:30
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this. I talk about this a lot.
27:32
Speaker 1: I get a lot of phone calls from a lot
27:34
Speaker 1: of people. The game is an illusion that's going on
27:37
Speaker 1: that the game is being sped up with this pitch clock.
27:41
Speaker 4: Well then it slowed down with the replay, so.
27:45
Speaker 3: The time of the game is down.
27:46
Speaker 4: No, but it's fine.
27:47
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, you're speeding it up in one manner,
27:51
Speaker 1: but then you're slowing it down in another.
27:52
Speaker 4: Just to get it right. And I believe in getting
27:55
Speaker 4: it right.
27:56
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about the whole toutality of the
27:59
Speaker 1: game and who's in it and how it's being played
28:02
Speaker 1: and what's entertaining and watching what's not. Something has to
28:07
Speaker 1: change for who you drafted, because a lot of times
28:11
Speaker 1: I can draft you on potential, and I can draft
28:14
Speaker 1: you because you can do five different things, but they
28:17
Speaker 1: haven't been polished yet. So there's that's called a development side.
28:22
Speaker 1: Some kids need more development and more time to develop
28:25
Speaker 1: into the player that they can be. These scouts are
28:28
Speaker 1: not scouting that way no more. They don't even have
28:30
Speaker 1: to show up at the game anymore. They can go
28:33
Speaker 1: on the data and if you hit a ball one
28:35
Speaker 1: O four in the twelfth grade and then you threw
28:38
Speaker 1: a ball as ninety nine in the twelfth grade, they
28:41
Speaker 1: drafted you just on that alone.
28:42
Speaker 4: Never seen you play.
28:43
Speaker 3: That'speeding now too. They're tracking all of that.
28:45
Speaker 2: They've got a delineation many teams do, where it's like,
28:48
Speaker 2: if he's not at this level, we're good chances are
28:51
Speaker 2: that it's not gonna work.
28:53
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. My son is six y two
28:56
Speaker 1: at Florida State. He was six foot coming out as
29:00
Speaker 1: high school season. They told me that he needs to
29:05
Speaker 1: get bigger, faster, stronger, and then we'll we think he's
29:08
Speaker 1: gonna be a player. Well he's six two, now, okay,
29:11
Speaker 1: I see a kid on his team that's five nine,
29:16
Speaker 1: soking wet? Did they tell him the same thing? That's
29:20
Speaker 1: the question I have. So is it that we need
29:23
Speaker 1: to get bigger, faster, stronger or what is going on here?
29:28
Speaker 7: Agree?
29:29
Speaker 4: And so I don't know the answer to it.
29:30
Speaker 1: And that's why I just have to be able to
29:33
Speaker 1: be a parent to my son and say, hey, we
29:35
Speaker 1: just have to do what we gotta do. We have
29:37
Speaker 1: to work hard and we can't take shortcuts. This is
29:40
Speaker 1: it and that's pretty much it. But when I see, guys,
29:43
Speaker 1: I saw a kid get drafted by the Cubs that
29:45
Speaker 1: probably was five to seven, probably one hundred and sixty pounds.
29:49
Speaker 4: Tell me what superstar in that kind of body? That's
29:56
Speaker 4: an outlier.
29:57
Speaker 7: But where are those guys?
29:59
Speaker 4: Where is that?
30:00
Speaker 1: It's one of those Yeah, oh's like superstar. That means
30:04
Speaker 1: he can play baseball. And that's about it.
30:06
Speaker 6: By the way, Chef and my kid did play against
30:08
Speaker 6: each other. They played against each other. We actually his
30:11
Speaker 6: son and my son played against each other this year
30:12
Speaker 6: and the one but they didn't win the state championship.
30:14
Speaker 7: So we've already had that. We've had that conversation before, but.
30:18
Speaker 3: You got you got time during the last year we did.
30:20
Speaker 6: This out here for the golf turn where I talked
30:23
Speaker 6: about I can't believe they did not win the state.
30:25
Speaker 7: But that's a whole different story. Last before we let
30:27
Speaker 7: you go, you pitched in Williamsport.
30:30
Speaker 6: You hit in Williamsport, so you were like the show
30:32
Speaker 6: he Tani and Williamsport.
30:34
Speaker 7: I was, could you do what he's doing? Now?
30:37
Speaker 4: I thought I could, to be honest with you, but
30:39
Speaker 4: I didn't throw ninety nine and I ninety three.
30:41
Speaker 7: Oh see, that doesn't a big difference. Yeah, thumbering you were.
30:47
Speaker 4: I mean ninety three, that's what that's the average speed.
30:50
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, they say guys throwing harder, so that's probably
30:52
Speaker 1: the average speed. That was me and so I I
30:56
Speaker 1: thought I was more of a pitcher than I was
30:58
Speaker 1: a hitter because of my uncle. That's what he engraved
31:01
Speaker 1: in me that I'm a picture. But my granddad said,
31:03
Speaker 1: you're you're the hitter. And so I did both. And
31:06
Speaker 1: I was eight and old in high school and all
31:09
Speaker 1: the way up, I was the guy and I just
31:12
Speaker 1: felt like I could.
31:14
Speaker 4: Could have done it or not, I don't know, but
31:16
Speaker 4: I was.
31:16
Speaker 5: I sure wanted to kids out there. If you don't
31:19
Speaker 5: know who his uncle is, just hit baseball reference. I
31:22
Speaker 5: won't even give it away. I won't even give it away.
31:25
Speaker 5: It was pretty decent at a pretty young age.
31:29
Speaker 4: He was a mean son of a guy to be
31:32
Speaker 4: a baseball player. Man, it wasn't it wasn't pretty. I
31:36
Speaker 4: tell you, it wasn't pretty.
31:37
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31:43
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31:46
Speaker 1: I used to be obsessed with the game, so it
31:49
Speaker 1: got really bad and my wife said, you gotta quit.
31:53
Speaker 3: This is your come back, Yeah, come back to me. Yeah,
31:58
Speaker 3: this is gonna be good. I'm excited for it. Later
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