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Old Demons Haunt Hokies · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast Braun.
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This is a waste of night. Yes it is sir.
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Yes it is man. Along with Brian Sigler Curtis
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welcome here, y'all. Oh, y'all about to get some
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venting. We got beverages.
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It's been approximately going on for hours since the Hokies fall
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through the Demon Deacons 23:16. And as I just stated in a wasted
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day now, wasting game. Absolutely dude.
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Really a frustrating game to watch?
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This wasn't? I mean, we're not going to do a
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whole lot of x's and o's because watching the game, it wasn't a
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whole lot of x's. And o's, that beat us, we were
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out there. Consistently beating ourselves,
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especially on the offensive side of the ball.
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Yeah, absolutely. So many things today, so many
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wasted opportunities. So many a pending grossly picks
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today, arguably probably the worst game of his career as a
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Hopi. Yeah, I don't think there's
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really a question. I mean, the UVA game was the
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only other game that's even in this realm, in my opinion, in
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terms of how he how he played, and he was significantly worse.
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In this game that I think he was a TV.
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A against UVA, there were more periods of of inconsistency.
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Whereas I felt like you know, he did really well middle of the
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field and like as soon as we got close to scoring range and just
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seem like, you know, the light bulb went off a lot of times and
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play guide inconsistent and you know, he wasn't helped a whole
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lot by some of the calls we got in that area either.
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So it was kind of just one kept feeding the other tonight man.
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Well Play calls. Can I can I get into a place to
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play call that? If I had not been with my
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neighbors and they're giving our kids out in his yard, we pull
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the TV up or watching it, they're both hokey grad.
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Shout out to Ben and Michelle for having us in the kids over
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to watch the game. He's pretty calm watching game.
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Been tip your hat to you when you not once not one time, but
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who comes inside the 10-yard line.
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You run a Jet Sweep, through the fucking short side of the field.
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What the fuck are you thinking? I like it.
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I like the fire because that's what we're going to need to get
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back from this man because this was you know, everybody talks
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about it. I mean whether your Twitter
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timeline, your friends. I mean we all know the Hokies
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are going to have that one game. Where they go out, played down
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to their competition. Make some freaking
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head-scratching calls. Can't get out of their own damn
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way. And then, you know, a lot of
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times that ends up as a loss. And that's what we had tonight,
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man. It was, it was sad because there
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were so many opportunities to get back in that game.
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And none of, I mean, wake wasn't out there videos.
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I mean, they play the solid game, and they played a pretty
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mistake-free game, and that's why they beat us.
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But we can get out of our own way, whether it was all of the
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miscues on offense, and whether it was on defense, He's just
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undisciplined. And I don't I'm not talking
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about just scheme was that was more the early part of the game,
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but in the second half just being undisciplined and giving
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them free first downs. I'm making some bonehead
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decisions. Absolutely,
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you saw that, right? And it's just I mean at least
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the defense, you know, they had their good in their bed.
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Yeah. Which we expecting this year,
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with the scheme change they only gave up 23 points.
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You told me and you won't Friday or Thursday night.
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Thanksgiving 23. As we were sitting here, talking
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Thursday night, we met Taylor Robinson, our number three guy,
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right? Let me pay.
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Or number three guy, we met tendon number two.
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And you talked about, they like to stay in their shells.
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They're very disciplined. You're going to have to attack
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them underneath little short throws.
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They're going to direct the tackling team so you can get 56
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yards. You stir stick, movers movers,
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we averaged 14, 13 Completion. That doesn't sound like a stick
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moving kind of data. Me know like out the gate our
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offensive game plan was apparently run outside to a team
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that sets a really good Edge and throw deep down the sideline to
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a team that allows a lot of underneath stuff in coverage.
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So yeah, we definitely were essentially saying, We think
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we're good enough to attack your strength all day and not take
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advantage of your weakness. Meanwhile not executing the
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plays that are that are even being sent in half the time so
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you know you can bind those things and you know it just
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feels like you know it's kind of the trifecta man.
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We talked about it before but it's like it didn't feel like we
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were properly prepared to play this team especially on offense.
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It didn't feel like we were properly executed.
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Eating. And at times, it just looked
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like we were lost like we like we didn't know like once we move
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the ball into a scoring area, we just forgot what we were doing.
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And I've never, I haven't seen that from this team.
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This year, we've done very good at finishing drives, even even
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when we kick three, sometimes we did a good job of closing
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drives. Making some big plays out of
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nothing and it just seemed like we let little things bother us
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too much like one little thing goes wrong.
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Wrong. And all of a sudden, you know,
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we've got three straight plays that are either negative or
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don't get us the yards. We need to keep moving.
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Absolutely, right. I said one skiing thing off.
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Instantly, let me ask you this. Let's do one said Thursday night
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that do really well. They set the edge.
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Well, ma'am. And what did you say?
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We should attack the middle of the defense.
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What a good, what to do on offense?
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We decided to attack the perimeter of the defense, all
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night, both in the jet Suite game and outside Zone.
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We decided for whatever reason that, you know, once once we
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realize that they were setting a very strong edge with the
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outside Zone that we just kept running it, instead of maybe
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pivoting two more inside Zone where we could really attack
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between the tackles neutralized, bash them, a little bit,
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neutralize those outside linebackers.
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I mean there every time for like the first few drives, every time
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it was a obvious Rush down. They were just run blitzing to
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the side opposite of where Herbert was lining up knowing
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that he was going to run outside Zone that direction.
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So if he was to the left of hooker, they were running some
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sort of run blitz to the right of hooker and just pressing that
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area. And it took too long for us to
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adjust and say, alright well maybe we should start making
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that a true read instead of a just the outside Zone call.
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And once he did that, that's when hooker got some of those
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those rushing yards late in the second quarter into the third
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quarter, but we didn't do it quick enough.
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And then once we found that, that's what they were doing, we
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didn't stay with it. Well enough to really do
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anything there but it was like once the outside Zone wasn't
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working and you know we threw a couple screens to him but we
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didn't do anything else to get Herbert involved in the running
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game at that point like it was like, oh well outside zones not
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working. So I guess we're going to lean
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on Booker now like no manufacture this guy, some
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touches but just stop running into them, strength of the
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defense, got running to strengthen defense, and let's
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make the number 8. You didn't get his name and we
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still don't have his name. You mentioned number eight, the
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linebacker on Thursday about get to him, guess what you do.
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He cannot shed block, while you were so focused on the inside
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the phone and putting Brockett. Number one, if we ended up, we
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need up running away from him, most of the night.
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Right? So, he was unblocked and
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trailing the play, which for an athletic guy.
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Is exactly what plays into what he does.
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The best. What he doesn't do well is shed
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blocks, run at him, make him shed a block.
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Making sure to bought. No, no.
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We just gonna let him run run free on the backside and make
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plays while we set the edge on the opposite side.
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I mean we knew what we were getting with Boogie bash on but
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we can't let somebody that could be neutralized, make plays
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absolutely. So you run to one of the four
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points in one of the first times in it.
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It's when I started getting that hit that ugly feeling in my
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stomach. We get near Midfield at first
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third down and its third like one or two.
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So it shortened well I'm like guess good.
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We're going to we're going to get two or three yards, they run
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the ball and somehow James Mitchell, love them to death.
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Great player potential future probe into all-acc selection,
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right? Trying to block Boogie bash.
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Mm, and I'm sitting here saying every now and then I said it's
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okay. and you did that and it was
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again, it was another outside Zone and I mean he He kind of
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did a little little hump move with with Mitchell, guided got
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inside. And I mean, blue, the play up
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before really got a chance to get going.
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And I mean, that was kind of the story of the night.
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I mean, I think Basham had a good game but like we didn't
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scheme to really take him out of the game.
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And we kind of schemed in a way that gave some of their other
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players, an easier night than they should have had what we
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should have been. We should have been Forcing
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their linebackers in safeties with some underneath and some
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easy throat to make tackles against re-tape.
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Ian Mitchell against herbivory and Flash, but we didn't do
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that. We have to do that.
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The only player that was consistently getting to the
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second level in the running game was hidden hooker.
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We weren't doing anything to get Herbert to the second level.
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There was only I mean we had one good run by by Herbert that
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callback on a hold which was all the bogus and what we will get.
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The referee situation later that was a problem tonight, but
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that's not what losses, this game.
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No. So we'll go ahead and get that
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out of the way. I know, I know there are some
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folks that are complaining about the referee situation to their
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point. They are, right?
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But that didn't cost us the game.
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We shot ourselves in the foot and then there was no way.
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It should have. We should have let the referees
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impact that game and ultimately we did.
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And that's why we lost. So we were moving the All, yes,
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that's that's the frustrating thing is that, you know, we're
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only, you know, 40 or 50 yards behind our, our season average
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in the game. But we're 20 plus points behind
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our season average in scoring. That's, that's significant guys.
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You're talking about, you're talking about less than one
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decent Drive in total yards behind our season average.
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But significantly lower, Our in terms of the points that we put
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on the board that tells me a lot of things, I mean, we've already
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said it once, but holy shit, the amount of points that were left
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on this football field by this offense.
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And that's, that's, I mean, we'll talk about the two missed
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field goals. One probably should have been a
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make that wasn't the other was going to be a difficult make
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anyway. So I mean that, that is what it
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is. You're not, you're not going to
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make all those 50 plus yarders. So, I'll let the one slide.
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The other one probably should have been a make.
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So that's that's at least three there.
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Two times getting inside the Red Zone.
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And not, not just punching it in is, is so sorry. 3 times, 3
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times getting so two times settling for a short three and
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then one time throwing a pic, which I mean, was partially on
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hooker and partially, on the receiver.
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There, we, it was a little high. But we gotta, we gotta talk to
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Hooker a little bit here because all day when he was throwing
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over the middle, he was missing high and you can't miss high
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over the middle. That's that's the cardinal sin
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of quarterbacking. Well, hold on.
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Was it too? Was it three or was it for Hold
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on. Was it for another one?
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Well, there was two picks in the end zone, right?
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No, no, just one. There was just the one, pick the
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little yoga through the seam on the other theme on one, but that
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was that word in the end zone though.
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The other, but we weren't in the scoring area where the other
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thing that I'll say and this again, this makes me mad at
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happen in the UNC game and it's happening again here tonight.
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So once again, I put this on the person calling the place and
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then he's going to get bust a lot and I bust him a lot and I
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probably busted Stein spring way too much back in the day.
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This is a 10-point game and we get the ball and it's like I
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think it's six minutes left. I'd have to go back and look.
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But there was no urgency. We got this, we got this.
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Do we end up to and we're downtown?
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Where is the urgency to get going?
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And I'm sitting here that's on the coaches.
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That's not only on the play caller, that's on the head coach
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because if the head coach is not seen the urgency, you need to be
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streaming like get on your asses and go have enough time to get
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this ball three times. We have two possessions left.
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Now, I want to say we it was it was like 8:30 left and then we
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just need a few texts. I thought you texted me and
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said, we need to score within two minutes and it just wasn't
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happening. Hold on.
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I'm gonna get you on here because I, this is the one
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that's the one, that drove me, crazy.
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And I do have all scoring please up because we kicked a field
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goal. Tom nails like a 50-yarder.
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He was already redeemed of the previous drive.
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He missed, he missed. He came back and made the one
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that Drive. Exactly.
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So here we go. And I might be talking about the
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previous drive when I was referencing the there's five
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minutes left on the positive. There's five minutes left on the
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clock. It literally took us two and a
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half minutes. You could gay to kick a field
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goal to a half minutes to go. What is that?
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54-yard field goal will be what 35-yard line ruff.
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Flee. Yep, it literally took us.
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Let's see 22 to go 35 yard. It took us two and a half
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minutes. That's all that's still go to 1.
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This is on you because if you're not lying to fire under the play
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collars s and under that offense is asked to get going, it's on
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you. At some point, you got to say,
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guys, what are you doing? Get this right, get going, get
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down the field. I mean you know not everything
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can be put on the players at some point.
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The coach has to be cognizant of the situation and understand
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that, you know, There's no, there's no there isn't a way of
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doing this faster than it should be done.
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You got to get up there and do it and consistently on that
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drive. I will say, yeah, you're right.
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They they were they didn't they weren't they didn't seem like
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they appreciated the lack of time remaining in the game and I
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don't know if that is Corn overthinking and not getting the
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plays out there fast enough or what.
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But it just you know, it's frustrating that we're having
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these conversations because this is probably one of the better
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offenses we've ever had. In terms of yeah talent and
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ability and there's no way that that that often should be held
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to under 20 points. Yeah, it's not with the
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playmakers that you have players all over the line.
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It's essentially like it's essentially like maybe they're
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trying to be corporate guys. We're going to put these teams
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in the toughest position possible to see how they do.
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When you're like, your job is to win a football game.
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Not put people in really hard position to overcome the golden
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score will whether it be well, they're giving us the TV that
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you take it. Yeah.
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And I mean I know these things kind of happen, man because I
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mean one of the offenses I was in college, man.
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Was what was the highest scoring offense across all divisions
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that year? But we have one game against a
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team that was like at the time like four and four.
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So I mean we should have been able to score against them if we
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didn't do anything else and we go out there and we put up think
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we put up 18 when it went in like 18 to 12 and it was like
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one of those ugly. Games in early November.
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And I just remember thinking like, Like looking at, we are
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way too talented to not be putting up at least a 30 burger
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against this team and I feel like that's what I was looking
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at them. Like this team is just they're
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not executing and the calls are not flowing.
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And again, like you said, there's no sense of urgency.
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So we had kind of that. Trifecta, that really was, was
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shooting Us in the foot on offense, man.
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So very disappointed across the board.
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I will go ahead and make a note here.
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We had put Brock In as our number one and I had kind of
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thrown in Luke 2, Nu du as as one.
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Be. Luke did not have a good game.
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No, he didn't know he'll float, he looks slow.
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Basham. Got got him a couple times.
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The other defensive end I can't think of his name right now.
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He got him once. Yeah, I know, I know hooker held
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the ball longer than he should have a couple times, but yeah,
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didn't do a very good job on the edge.
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I know this team is good at setting, the Edge.
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But you're supposed to be pretty damn good yourself.
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So sometimes you just got to nut up and he had to take the L when
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it comes and this is going to be an elf or look tenuta, help
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remove tenuta. But again, maybe it's something
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we're seeing with covid more and more.
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As guy says, come back about the linebacking corps.
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Think about the safeties. Maybe this is something you
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can't just throw guys, if they have it thrown right back into
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what they were doing, even with a full week of practice.
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Yeah. And I mean I'd say across the
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board the offensive line did not have a great game, they were
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getting they were getting fitted up but they were not dominating
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the way. We've seen them dominate the
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last few games in terms of just taking over those blocks, even
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even Christian Daris, all had a couple where he either whiffed
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on a pull or something like that.
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Like I think there was one where I want to say it was one where
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hooker kept it, and he whiffed on the pool and, you know,
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hooker was able to fall forward for like 45 yards, but I could
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have been like a 20, 30 yard gain if he just gets a decent,
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block on the pool. So, I mean, there's is a whole
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lot of little things out there that really just kind of Put the
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brakes on the offense and it put the brakes on the offense at the
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worst possible time. Like it wasn't like we had a
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bunch of three announce. We were consistently moving the
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football against this defense and then we would just have
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brain farts. Absolute brain fart.
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All right, the clock back there. Chimes.
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So I think we should move. Let's do talk a little more
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about the defense. We've done a lot of the offense,
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we said I'm gonna apologize in advance for my parents house and
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the only place that I won't wait.
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People up is in a place with a grandfather clock.
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So y'all going to be hearing some chiming?
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No, but it'll also be to me and UK, maybe we should move to the
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next subject. Let's talk about the defense, my
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opinion, Brian. I think they had they're good,
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they're bad moment, I mentioned that earlier.
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They only gave up 23 points, they held a team that had been
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scoring 30 in ACC play Too Well to a whole touchdown under their
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average. But what what what happened and
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you talked about some of the stuff we talked about not
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filling the gap. they were missing tackles when we needed
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to take down, but the drive just before
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half-time Oh God, where we could not get off the field on fourth
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down. That just bugged the shit out of
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me because a couple times we were in place to stop them and
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did not. And that's unacceptable mean
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it's one thing. If, you know, they block you or,
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you know, even if you go out and full speed, miss a tackle,
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that's fine. But when you're essentially
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giving the ground, you're there, you're there to make the play.
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You either are too hesitant with the tackle or you end up, you
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know, letting the running back. Just run you over for the first
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down like no, make the plug. All right Brian, hold on.
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Just so, first of all, that was a lie.
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That was a clock killer 217 plays 75 yards for the touchdown
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to go up. 1710 we never LED in this game.
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You title as the only time we were tied with them.
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So I go scroll through the drive and let's start counting third
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and three. Let me work pass.
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That's 1/3 sticks, they get five but they go for it fourth and
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one again, the 11 yard run, that's to morph into again.
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They get a seven year old paths, that's three fourth and one
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again, 13, they get a five yard, a three yard run plus a 5 yard
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facemask vests for so two or three of those were fourth
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bounds. Yep.
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So they can they got yards on Third and then got enough yours
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to feel comfortable going for it on 4th that, that was such a
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killer because we just had an, it's like, I'm sitting there
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with my neighbor and I'm Saying, we just stop right here.
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We're feeling it. Can get back, get the lead.
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That was the, that was the time that the offense was humming,
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the best. Yep.
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You know, the drive just before that, where we got to 10 and
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then the drive just before the interception that close out the
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half, like those two drives, we looked like a competent offense.
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Pretty much every play. Yep.
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And you having that long drive, where the offense is sitting for
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so long and then they get the end up getting You have seven
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points. I was I was hoping it was like
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I'll just hold them to three here.
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You know, they've had a long drive but despite you know, them
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converting a fourth down before we could get the ball back, when
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they weren't in scoring range, there in scoring range of just
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get off the field, just get off the field, just get off, and he
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just never it never happened, man.
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It that was, that was so frustrated.
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That was the most frustrating defensive driving the game.
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I will say, other than lack of discipline in The second half in
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terms of, I'll see how they handle themselves from a penalty
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standpoint. We put, I thought they played a
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pretty good second half. Well, yeah, man, I mean, the
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beacon settle down and they adjusted, I mean, we gave up
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over, give up about, 250 yards on the ground again, but but I
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expect that against this team, okay?
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But 161 was in the first half, the adjustments were made, they
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got less than 189 yards in the second half.
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So the adjustments were made for the defense, they got 217.
26:36
Wake Forest kick two field goals in the second half.
26:49
They got gassed early. Essentially we got it fixed at
26:52
one thing. I'm learning about ham.
26:54
Pretty quick is just because his initial game plan isn't
26:58
brilliant. He is going to make an
27:00
adjustment. He is good at getting putting
27:03
guys in the right spots on what the other teams doing.
27:08
He's diagnosing and making the right change.
27:10
It was so it's one thing to say, okay, I know what we're doing
27:13
wrong, but the fact that he's actually making changes that are
27:16
having a marked impact on the game that that showing both
27:20
growth in hit from his first game to now and also that, I
27:25
think some of the guys are starting to get a little more
27:27
accustomed to what he what? Does and how what their role is
27:32
within that. Because, I mean, again, like I
27:35
said, other than some of those mental lapses, the defense
27:38
played pretty damn good in the second half.
27:41
You know, they weren't lights out but that's a good enough
27:44
offense, where if you hold them to less than 10 points in a
27:49
half, you're doing something pretty good.
27:51
Exactly. And so, you know, that that sort
27:55
of big ones, you know, they did move from Leverage at times.
27:59
One piece about using the leverage.
28:03
We mentioned earlier wrong gaps. Early cost us some really big
28:06
plays and you know, at least one defense and we just said it, at
28:15
least with defense. We see things that they're doing
28:18
like, we my untrained eyes can literally see.
28:22
Okay, we're playing better. We're doing some things
28:24
different. We're getting to our spots
28:25
quicker. We're doing different on the
28:28
line we're making it. Tougher for them to move the
28:31
ball. Yep.
28:33
And I can respect that and I like that.
28:37
Now, will it? Hams got to figure out and is a
28:42
figure out what to do to start the game hot?
28:46
Yeah, every you haven't read it, even be better because we ended
28:52
up Having a good not great first drive, and then they end up
28:57
scoring first. So We've got to be able to win
29:03
if we don't come out hot on offense, to be able to get a
29:05
stop and still keep that opening kickoff momentum.
29:08
Because when we haven't scored first, it's been kind of a slog
29:15
when we've been able to get out there and kind of put pressure
29:19
on the other team to score points.
29:20
I mean, that's kind of plays into what we do because not only
29:24
can we be more Reliant upon the running game but also the
29:28
defense You know, teams playing behind 10 to take a little bit
29:35
more risk as they're trying to play catch up there.
29:37
And I think our defense takes better advantage of those
29:39
situations. So we get started flat on
29:46
offense, we've lost both. Oh, yeah, and I'm gonna go ahead
29:51
and point it out, man. All three Road games we have not
29:55
started. Well, the first quarter has been
29:57
bad in all three Road games. It's true.
30:05
Do you game though? With the exception of the
30:06
fumble? We sort of control the first
30:09
half carry more than we did. 110,000.
31:03
He was very efficient, but they weren't getting big plays,
31:06
they're making some stick movers and defensive tackles were, you
31:11
know that. That's the that's what drives
31:13
you sort of crazy about the defense is the guys, we
31:16
highlighted all played. They did not play.
31:20
Let's go on a scale of one to 10.
31:22
Do they play 10? Did they play 0 or 1?
31:27
No, did they play five notes? They were somewhere in that
31:29
like, six and a half to eight. Strange.
31:32
Yeah. Right.
31:33
That's where I put them. Maybe I'm putting them on for
31:36
those who say the secondary played an above-average game and
31:39
I say the linebackers and defensive tackles played a good
31:43
game, not a great game. Yes, that's again.
31:47
So they didn't, you know, I would probably be be - for the,
31:54
for the corners. I'd say going to go Masala be
31:56
and probably see the C plus for the The other guy said, I mean,
32:01
they didn't nothing nothing they did was bad and like I said, the
32:08
biggest - that I have for those groups is that, you know, you
32:12
had humid and Pollard that really just had some boneheaded
32:17
discipline plays that that hurts at Key moments, man.
32:21
Well, you would just the targeting and we were watching
32:26
it with our other neighbor, the coach and he said it doing coach
32:29
lat. Ton of believe, what?
32:31
He's like, that's a targeting. He's like, he's like, you know,
32:35
and they're saying, they route because a, they didn't throw the
32:37
flag. They reviewed it after the fact.
32:39
Yeah, hold on. Let's let me pull back on that
32:42
because we're going to get into these rest in a few minutes.
32:47
But yeah, they were playing hot in Hewitt.
32:49
Will talk about pain in the wild but him.
32:52
Yes, he was visibly upset. Now if you remember, if you've
32:56
not heard during the game or any game this year player, Joe,
32:59
Ejected helping stay on the sidelines.
33:02
They had to take you to the back because you, it was livid Hue
33:05
without mine. We he got a sack on that play
33:10
Saget's essentially. Nullified with the targeting 15,
33:14
which would have moved them like to the 34, maybe 40, he gets the
33:19
other half of that which gives moves them.
33:23
Well, the field position it took it was a went from a major
33:28
positive plate. A to like a back-breaking -
33:31
play. Yep.
33:34
In just a couple seconds man between And like, you know, like
33:39
I said, we're going to talk about the rest man, but you
33:42
know, Hewitt in that situation, I get his frustration but you
33:45
can't make something that you got bad words, like, you know,
33:51
don't don't let that beat. You can't let something that you
33:53
can't control beat you and he did in this case he did in that
33:57
case. Yeah.
33:58
And you know, all day and only wise and we'll get into the rest
34:01
but all day. I mean, 10 112 yards, I do math.
34:06
112 yards is Enough. It's into an end zone and when
34:09
you lose by a touchdown, along with three turnovers while,
34:13
countless errors, if it ends up the way, it ends up on the drive
34:20
where we took over with like, just under 10 minutes left in
34:24
that, run were Herbert breaks a big one and it gets called back.
34:31
Doug, number two. I think her it was like a 30
34:33
yard or and again, it comes back.
34:35
And I'm like this, this is the The epitome of the day we were
34:39
having, man. It's just It was completely
34:43
indicative of the day we were having.
34:45
And just man these frustrate me more than ones like you and see
34:52
where you felt like for one reason or another, they just had
34:56
our number like it didn't, this didn't feel like the better team
35:00
won and that's what's really frustrating.
35:04
That's why we're drinking at 11. Not sitting well, I think we'd
35:10
still be having a celebration here in this game but it's like,
35:13
yeah, drinking to be like, what the fuck?
35:16
Hmm, alright so we got to we got to more main topics, we're going
35:19
to touch here. We're so we're going to talk a
35:21
little bit more about the refs here in a second and then we're
35:23
going to take a little bit of a dive into the coaching staff and
35:27
what they need to do going forward.
35:32
Let's go for it. I think the other one I might
35:36
drop more f-bombs and Anybody that is with their children at
35:41
the beginning of this because you know, when I uh, ponds are
35:43
coming, maybe I am. Sorry, I have dropped a lot
35:46
tonight. This is definitely like a listen
35:49
to in the car, on the way to work, not a taking your kids to
35:53
school situation, for those that are actually taking their kids
35:56
to school in this situation. Exactly.
36:00
So okay, first of all the refs, yeah, one of these particular
36:07
calls That stand out to you how their kids catch interference on
36:11
an onside kick and hits the ground.
36:14
You know whether or not it, hit the ground.
36:16
You've got to take a fucking look at that, right?
36:19
You've got to at least look at it.
36:21
No way that Repsol in real-time is that ball did not hit the
36:24
ground. First of all y'all, this got big
36:28
man, upset. His eyes got about is big as a
36:32
damn cue ball. Like, I beg you, if you are near
36:36
the head official at there, you would have probably smacked him
36:38
like no. But I used to coach, I would
36:42
talk so much trash to officials. Man, you they would have had to
36:46
kick me out of the game after that one, because after
36:49
everything we had been through, we finally get a three.
36:51
And, you know, there's time. It's like, and that's the
36:56
double. What?
36:56
Like? Why not?
36:57
Just do flag it. They ended up getting the ball.
36:59
Just a flag it. What's up?
37:05
Because you can't, you can't be up here.
37:15
They showed it and I'm looking like, well, he didn't fair catch
37:17
it. He's like, sitting here, trying
37:18
to catch the ball in there, like, fair catch it to me that
37:21
look like he the kicker. Hit the top of the nose and the
37:27
one where, you know, you slam it into the ground and then it gets
37:30
the high bounce. And that's what it did look like
37:34
in real time. So how they saw that he under
37:37
towed it and it never touched the ground.
37:39
We couldn't there's no way they saw that in real time.
37:43
I mean and like I said, I don't have a problem.
37:46
I have a problem with the flag in general, but if you're going
37:48
to throw the flag at least look at it because there's no way you
37:52
saw it in real time and you were 100% sure that it didn't hit the
37:56
ground on sidekick anyway. Because a to your point is you,
38:04
you can't say what happened. Because if I mean, is there
38:08
Brian has their penalty where if you attempt to on or you you
38:11
attempt to fair catch a onside kick that hits the ground, you
38:15
know, the heck that may be the easiest way to never lose it on
38:19
so I can just throw your hands in the air.
38:21
Just throw them up. Haircuts.
38:22
It's a my knowledge ever since they put in the the kick.
38:25
Catch interference rule. No one has kicked the ball in a
38:29
way that you know people used to be Papa.
38:32
Yep. And to my knowledge, that's not
38:35
taught anymore. It's either you know, you top
38:39
knows it, where it Dives and bounces real quick.
38:42
You do the circle move where it kind of brought him down and he
38:50
got to it. Yes, you can do that or you do
38:53
the little nudge where you just kind of push it forward in the
38:57
middle of the kicking unit and usually try to let the The
39:01
kicker recover, it lets get away from that one.
39:05
Let's go to one with probably near and dear to your heart.
39:08
The huge 30-yard run by juice where they show the play.
39:14
Doug. Nestor was just blocking his
39:15
guy. Yeah and that was a momentum
39:21
breaking play because we get that place like up.
39:23
Here we go. It was about to happen.
39:26
We're about to go pop on in. It's another where you know it
39:30
was away from the bowl I didn't see clearly that, you know,
39:37
we're there was the hands outside of the shoulder pads or
39:41
anything like, like everything was the guy was on the ground
39:44
when the flap was flying. Yeah.
39:46
Like ground already. I mean it's frustrating because
39:52
like, At that point in time an offensive lineman.
39:59
So I know I'm going to be biased here, but if your hands aren't
40:04
outside or you're not pretty much pulling a guy to the
40:07
ground. You should swallow the flag
40:10
every time. Number two.
40:11
You should definitely swallow the flag in that situation,
40:16
where the, it's running away from where the block is taking
40:20
place. And there's not some sort of
40:23
egregious Showing their it's almost like someone said, hey
40:29
these guys are rushing for too many yards reps.
40:31
Take a look at it and they like overcorrected.
40:36
Oh my gosh. Okay.
40:39
All right, well let's get to the the one that That really hurt
40:45
was the huge flag again. I'm out.
40:49
It's we're outside. So the volume we've got it up
40:52
but it's still tough to see just where we at.
40:55
And I don't see a flag where there with Coach who lives
40:59
across the street and eat and he says that's targeting.
41:03
I'm like, well yeah but they didn't floor flag.
41:04
Do you can't review and he's like I think they're reviewing
41:06
it when can you just review a targeting call?
41:10
That's not called on the feet. Is that fun for the game?
41:13
This year, I don't know if that change if it did, I'm not aware
41:16
of it. I think that that's something.
41:19
We be aware of the right that we would have been a big story
41:23
where if you're targeting a guy, they can look at it even if
41:25
there's no flag on the play. I don't know man.
41:30
I'm going to actually look it up real quick.
41:33
Let's go for ten here, efforting, but either way, I
41:36
mean that play goes from a sack where I believe it would have
41:43
Ben. No, Thursday's this is not off
41:47
to use. Apparently this is an old Rule
41:50
and then really, it's just so not off to use door, but
41:56
apparently it was added in 2016. Allows replay officials to call
42:02
targeting from upstairs, okay? Well, let's see if they, if
42:07
Clemson or North Carolina or Miami will get that thrown on
42:11
them at any time this year. Year.
42:14
I'm going to make a bet. Yes I'm gonna have yeah it's not
42:17
going to happen to them but that happens.
42:21
It's looks like a big sack of way behind change the one of
42:27
those momentum building plays and then everything happened
42:31
Hewitt lost his mind you know, in and I think it is because
42:37
it's a guy. That plays hard who's undersized
42:43
to gives everything leaves it on the field that if you look at
42:46
the play did it look dirty. We can't see the launch angle
42:54
from where he would came from. Yeah.
42:58
You know, I mean it was I thought it was more questionable
43:02
than it being like Oh, that's blatant.
43:06
Again, we're however many years into this thing and I still
43:09
don't know what a targeting looks like.
43:10
If you showed me one domain, I don't know where the line is.
43:20
And that's the problem with these things that you don't
43:23
really know where the line is. Because sometimes, you know, you
43:27
think it's definitely an Action and they stay.
43:29
And then sometimes you think, oh, that's not even close and
43:32
then they get kicked. So, you know, I still don't know
43:35
where the line is. Like I said, I know a bad one
43:39
when I see it, but that's about all.
43:41
I know at this point, man. Well, I think it's the piece of
43:45
He's targeting A good rule. Yes absolutely I think they very
43:49
good rule to have it. You're trying to teach better on
43:53
the middle of the game, put in some cases it's well a wasn't
43:58
malicious be did anybody change angles on the was he essentially
44:04
was going for his head as soon as he left or is it one of these
44:08
things? Where the way he left he was
44:11
going for his chest? And his angle came up and just
44:17
got him in the head. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's
44:21
this way like they tried to make it objective in terms of ruling
44:27
out intent. But then they've now they've
44:29
made it objective. In terms of what is and is not
44:33
this type of contact because you know I get you don't want to you
44:39
know. You don't want to assume intent
44:44
either for or against whether the player was going, you know,
44:48
attempting to hit the player in that ring, that range, or or
44:51
region. But at the same time by removing
44:56
intent, you're essentially taking away part of the way you
45:01
objectively. Look at the hit all together
45:04
because I mean, if I'm a guy that's aiming at a chest and all
45:07
of a sudden, my aiming point is now ahead.
45:12
That's a problem. And that's not on the defender
45:15
mean the defender can only do so much to avoid that.
45:19
So I feel like like I said taking away, some of the
45:22
subjectivity is caused only more subjectivity because your end up
45:26
looking at something else different now.
45:27
And it's almost objective to the point of well, this is the rule
45:34
regardless of any circumstances that take place on the field and
45:38
there's very few situations where that That should be the
45:43
case but I don't know. What do I know I'm an offensive
45:46
lineman? Yeah, we gotta say, you know, in
45:51
some of the interviews, you know, they need to be more
45:53
disciplined and stuff. And, you know, but in a game
46:00
like today, there was an unspecified personal foul
46:02
because they call it and they didn't show anything.
46:05
And I hate those. I hate those so much as like
46:07
what happened. If there's a personal but you
46:10
need to show it. You need to get, make sure you
46:13
get the number and then you show the replay.
46:15
So can you tell me why? Hey homes like why it and show
46:26
it? Like I don't know whether it was
46:28
just the camera crew couldn't find what was called or or what,
46:32
at that point. So, you know, let's there's
46:35
plenty of things we can bag on the rest for.
46:37
But as we said at the beginning of this, we should, we shouldn't
46:41
have let The refs be able to determine this outcome.
46:44
This should have been a two score game, going into some of
46:48
the key moments towards the end. You know, whether we ended up
46:52
covering or not, it is, you know, it relevant.
46:57
At this point we should have had, it should have been a two
46:59
score game going into the fourth quarter and we should have let
47:02
the rest even be able to have any sort of say in the outcome
47:05
here. So this is one hundred percent
47:07
on Virginia Tech. But that doesn't mean the rest
47:09
and make some some pretty had a pretty rough day.
47:13
Absolutely release. All right.
47:16
So let's let y'all I think we just the way we've mentioned it
47:21
here. The players, the game plans that
47:25
were out there or not executed significantly.
47:30
Well we've already mentioned that with Hamilton the early,
47:34
the adjustments. He made it, sort of fixed it,
47:38
but again, his issue is multiple times now.
47:42
Teams have, you know, essentially gotten out even in
47:45
the BC game, we don't force a turnover, they're moving the
47:48
ball. He's got his initial game plans
47:52
to your point. What you said earlier on where
47:54
it when we're not humming early on offense or we're trying to
47:56
find our groove, we're not just getting gassed and giving up
48:00
points. Yeah, you're right man, we need
48:03
to just be better out the gate, both on offense and defense and
48:09
that this applies to all these Road games, man.
48:13
All of these Road games, we have not looked great out the jump
48:16
against BC, even though we made some adjustments there out the
48:21
jump, we were not playing. Well, we've got to be better in
48:25
the first quarter on both sides of the ball, but especially on
48:29
defense. Because that's when we really
48:30
struggled to get some stops, we've let big gash plays happen
48:35
in the first quarter in pretty much every game at this point
48:40
except for NC State. What, and fortunately for Duke,
48:44
we were able to hold them to just three points on that one.
48:49
And then obviously some of the other games, it's been, you
48:54
know, a lot worse with with what happened today and then what
48:58
happened against NC against you and see, just got to be better
49:02
out the gate. I don't know if it's a game plan
49:05
issue or an execution issue or just not Not playing well.
49:19
We see plain significantly better.
49:24
That's why I don't think it's as much as in there to Mexico, it's
49:27
an execution of the initial game plan, but the adjustments, it
49:32
better? Why we're playing better.
49:34
The visor point I need to I'll say this, I think what we're not
49:38
doing is We're not dictating terms out the gate.
49:41
We're kind of letting them dictate the terms and reacting
49:45
and then once we figure out, you know, how they're trying to play
49:49
the game, we're adjusting to that and then we're figuring
49:51
out, okay well they're doing this so we can attack here but
49:54
we're not doing a good job of game-planning where we can
49:57
dictate the terms early on in the game.
50:01
And I think that that's what's hurting us right now is that
50:03
we're not asserting ourselves on defense and kind of going out
50:07
there and just You know, taking their will early, it's more of a
50:13
we're going to feel you out. Okay, this is what you're doing
50:15
now. We're going to attack and take
50:17
away some of those weapons but we're not doing that at the gate
50:20
so that's got to get better. I don't know if that's a, you
50:24
know, a game plan issue or just not breaking down the tape the
50:29
way we need to. So we know what they're going to
50:31
try to do. I will say that they had a
50:33
different game plan in the running game than I thought they
50:35
were out the gate, they definitely went more.
50:38
The Bill Smith, one cut kind of quick hitters then the in the
50:42
slow mesh RPO, there were still, I mean they still had the slow
50:44
mesh but it was they went more with Bill Smith on those early
50:47
carries. And yeah, and he said that that
50:50
one cut kind of got us, man. And I think probably what it was
50:54
with the one cut was us where we saw in the UNC game.
50:58
We were times really early in that game.
51:01
We were making in decisions, link to the Fitz late to the
51:04
fits and he was able to get to the second level and Like I said
51:08
he was, he's the guy that early in the down.
51:11
If he got to the second level, he was dangerous.
51:13
And then you know we ended up letting him take advantage of
51:18
that on the edge, man. Well since when they were saying
51:21
we're not we're you have to make a choice.
51:22
Versus the patient guy will deal with him, will let him run a
51:26
little later. Well, let him later when it's
51:29
and he had some success but we also threw him through several
51:31
negative plays in the second half as well.
51:33
So we'll give them credit for understanding what we're doing.
51:38
What we were doing bad on me. Now, we're filling and
51:43
everything. Yeah, well, let's get begin.
51:47
Because we're going to be, we can lash it to defense as
51:51
bronto's over there, and we got it, right.
52:02
You will get 12 of them man. Just wait about
52:15
midnight man. Let's do it.
52:17
The bell of told that night our head coach I told you earlier is
52:21
the first time I'm going to put it this way my confidence and is
52:26
our head coach went down at times today, okay.
52:30
And In what it is. Is I'm going to just, I'll say
52:38
it bluntly, the person he's allowing to run this offense.
52:43
Does not know how to fully run this offense that and I'm gonna
52:48
put it on this analogy or we grew up in a town where there
52:51
are people who essentially have Camaros Mustangs if they go down
52:59
to some of the drag strips and they race them right?
53:02
Yep. I'll work that we worked with
53:06
the guy. Yeah, 68.
53:07
Nova would drag racer. And Big Dave, you have to get
53:16
his car set up and you have to race it.
53:20
Where we go up there. We got.
53:21
You have to really get a car set up, but then you hear about them
53:25
going and they did not have a good thing at the direction
53:27
because they did not know how to drive the car.
53:29
Yep, that's what we have on offense.
53:32
I think, I think the person who is creating, he knows how to
53:38
tune up the part that Big Stone Gap play, Man.
53:41
Jesus, that was a thing of you. There was nobody within him that
53:43
was a beautiful play design, some of the jet sweeps today.
53:47
Beautiful play design. He does not know how to get into
53:51
the car though and drive it. It how you need to drive it on
53:58
every game or on every Drive, make sense.
54:04
It does, man, it does. And I mean, watching it, I kind
54:09
of, I mean, I see some of the same type things that you're
54:11
talking about when we look at, The offensive play calling and
54:18
I'm going to specifically say the play calling because as you
54:21
said, I think the design of the offense is very good.
54:25
Damn boy. But I think that the combination
54:29
of calling and execution leaves something to be desired and You
54:37
know, it there's moments that it looks good.
54:40
And then there's moments that I'm like, I just I scratch my
54:43
head. I'm like, what what are you
54:46
trying to even in do their fourth?
54:50
I get two weeks short sides and you know, I mean a couple times
55:00
we had Jets, we've calls and I don't know if it was a If it's
55:07
sometimes hard to tell, whether hooker is truly reading on the
55:12
Jet Sweep or whether it's a we're giving we're giving it
55:15
regardless. But there were a couple times
55:18
where if he was truly reading and not just carrying out of
55:23
fake that he would have walked in for a touchdown that second
55:27
one. He would have.
55:28
Yeah, nobody on the right side of that field, they all float.
55:32
If he pulls it, he walks and it's an extra four points.
55:36
So again, I can't speak to whether that's a design or
55:39
whether that was just a bad read, but if it was designed, I
55:47
would prefer pretty much. Unless it's like a short yardage
55:52
like a like a third one, where we just want the ball in,
55:57
Herbert's hands. Yeah, I want everything to be a
56:01
read. I want, I want hooker to have
56:04
the option to pull it and go and he.
56:10
Yeah. So like I said, I don't know if
56:12
that's the case. I'm putting my feelings out
56:16
there, situation so well, To one other thing and my opened.
56:23
For those who ask about the analogy I made from about Brad
56:28
cornelison. We don't understand it.
56:30
Please message the B C or D and the BC, or message me directly
56:36
on its, on our, it's on our page.
56:37
And yeah, well, what I mean? But Ron, I messaged you earlier
56:44
in about three, four months ago, they showed the Rose Bowl PC.
56:50
Versus Wisconsin. And if you don't recall when
56:54
that game was on, I legitimately sent you every single freaking
56:57
play. That was called because that was
56:58
full and thick, all in the place and mean kind of share with
57:03
other people. And everybody's like, it's
57:06
brilliant. There's times where he's going
57:08
back to the same thing, same thing.
57:10
And then he sees a slight adjustment and he goes something
57:13
completely that it exposes where they adjusted.
57:16
Yep. It looks like it looks like
57:20
something that was planned, you know, who you thought?
57:25
It's like, I think we're, I'm saying I'm losing the confidence
57:28
in him. Is you got this guy knows how to
57:30
create a good game plan, you know, you know how to call good
57:33
place. That is why you be, that's why
57:35
you got hired to be a head. Coach.
57:37
What you did at TCU is why you got hired at Memphis.
57:43
I believe he's a good head coach but I believe he's also known
57:46
this guy for the last 17 years of his life and I believe he's
57:52
hate to say this. It's there a few times and I
57:56
want with the same program where there's one thing preventing you
58:02
from getting over the hump. And it's your loyalty.
58:07
Yeah, if I'm just in for Wednesday, warrants a design,
58:13
the game plan on calling the next week.
58:16
Because I need to see it work. You're doing is what I'm doing
58:20
and if it's, if I go out there next week and I put 63 points on
58:23
the board that I've already. I've already answered it.
58:26
Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to piggyback off your your analogy
58:30
there. All right, we're gonna go old
58:32
school here guys. So when I say The Fast and
58:35
Furious, I'm not talking about the 2009 movie.
58:39
I'm talking about the original 2001 movie.
58:43
I fondly, yay! As did I Together, possibly 20
58:49
years ago, quite possibly man. Okay, so remember Jesse kind of
58:56
the guy that would set up a lot of the the NOS systems in the in
59:01
the cars but he took his car to the the track and he couldn't do
59:07
it. You don't want Jesse behind the
59:09
car you want? Dom Toretto.
59:13
Yes, Brad corny open is Jessie except we don't have anyone to
59:19
kill him. That is the complete joke.
59:24
I've seen this all the friggin bleep joke, don't worry, buddy
59:29
going to kill all the Jews of corner because I think he can
59:31
design damn good plays. I think that should be this job.
59:39
So I mean, I think I'm going to edit this out now, we're really
59:43
going to keep it in, man, we're going to keep that in.
59:47
There are some guys we can do that.
59:49
I'm a 49ers fan run and actually, your coats are a good
59:53
way to put this to with, um, Frank Wright.
59:58
Those guys know how to designing call?
1:00:00
Yeah, they do. They also know how to be.
1:00:04
Well, Kyle made a few screw-ups here and there, but overall, All
1:00:08
he's been a big boat. Been good head coaches.
1:00:12
It's just not in his DNA to call, he's not in his DNA like
1:00:16
today. I feel like if Wednesday have
1:00:18
been on that call after those first few outside edge runs, I
1:00:22
think he would have ran re-up on inside Zone and then just said,
1:00:26
you want to play that hard Edge. You can go on it.
1:00:28
I'm going to keep going right here.
1:00:30
I think after the first few times, when we took a shot, I
1:00:33
think you said, okay, I'm gonna start peppering you again.
1:00:36
I go back to the game that Rose Bowl game and all that.
1:00:41
Yeah, follow page and gears. You saw him in waiting for us,
1:00:47
we Pine for it because In menu. Close to being out 25-year fans.
1:00:57
We've never had a play caller. The just yeah we've had great
1:01:06
players. We have now we've had great
1:01:12
players. We've had great systems but we
1:01:14
haven't had a great play. Caller at any point that I can
1:01:17
recall, not Ricky bustle had the system.
1:01:21
They had with Mike Vick was just perfect.
1:01:23
Also wouldn't a great play call or he had an ungodly town.
1:01:27
I'm sad because I see this system.
1:01:30
And I think this system, 10 years ago, 15 years ago with
1:01:34
some of the dynamic play. This system would have murder
1:01:37
people. Even evil.
1:01:39
According to Nielsen calling plays, this is the would have
1:01:43
murdered people in the car odd years.
1:01:46
I mean like, like, like I'm on my thinking, average is probably
1:01:52
43, 44 points, a game without blinking.
1:01:57
It could have worked with him. It could have worked in 2004
1:02:00
with your. Yeah I mean there's definitely
1:02:05
could have been a so system. This is what we make it a poll
1:02:11
question. Does Hokie Nation won't get what
1:02:14
they call plays? I think we could probably put
1:02:19
that out there. I'm going to ask you another
1:02:21
question while we're, since we're kind of venting.
1:02:24
I mean this is probably more of a big picture than it is a right
1:02:29
now question. But you know, do is there
1:02:32
anything other than potentially changing the play?
1:02:34
Call duties that we need to look at To get through the rest of
1:02:38
the season. No, I don't think so.
1:02:43
I mean, you know defensively you got a whole new staff.
1:02:48
They're trying to implement some different things.
1:02:50
They didn't get spring Thee. I can't look.
1:03:12
Yeah, I agree. I guess the question is that Has
1:03:18
this staff as a whole? Did they Peak year one?
1:03:21
Or are we going to see them? Get back to the consistency that
1:03:25
we saw in that first year? Because even even at its worst
1:03:31
Syracuse. Yeah.
1:03:35
That's season. Felt different like that.
1:03:39
Other than I think the only other game that had me sweat,
1:03:42
and towards the end that year was other than the Clemson
1:03:46
matchup was, Was the Duke game which I was at that year and
1:03:50
then we just close the door late.
1:03:52
So, I don't think I'm quite there with this unit yet, just
1:03:59
because of what I saw today. I thought we were past the
1:04:04
things where we push through the adversity and end up closing out
1:04:09
games the way we should. Because even in the UNC game I
1:04:14
felt like we push through adversity and close pretty well,
1:04:17
especially on the offensive side of the football.
1:04:20
And, you know, this was a big step back for me and you know
1:04:25
I'm not Not, I'm not I'm not knee jerking or you know, one
1:04:30
game I'm pivoting from best offense.
1:04:33
We've had in a while to, you know, we got to completely gut
1:04:39
this thing. But at the same time, what
1:04:43
happened? Today, shouldn't happen.
1:04:44
And that's got to start and end with the with the coaching staff
1:04:48
and with the head coach. So we got it.
1:04:49
We got to hold that accountable and and try to make some changes
1:04:52
and I know, you know, Fuente took responsibility for this.
1:04:55
One at the podium. But, you know, we still, we it's
1:05:00
one thing to take responsibility.
1:05:01
Another thing to, you know, let's turn it around.
1:05:03
And, you know, we got Louisville coming in at 78 going down
1:05:08
there. So cannot get us a some round
1:05:10
about what you said though. Yeah, when he was tired and he
1:05:14
came in here, he didn't essentially everything.
1:05:18
I mean, yes, he hired. But Foster's that staff.
1:05:23
Yeah. But his fans knew how long can
1:05:29
but do it. How long does bud want to do it?
1:05:31
Obviously, but had heart issues. So you won coach was just what
1:05:39
they had Coke bread corn. Nielsen offensive coordinator
1:05:43
quarterback, coach Zone, burden running backs coach Holloman
1:05:46
Wiggins wide receiver coach Shabbos, tight ends.
1:05:50
Vice offensive line right? Yep other Style.
1:05:55
The ball was Bud. Charlie Tigre for a while.
1:06:00
Be mixed for a while. Kalin Scott.
1:06:06
Who's left on the staff as of right now?
1:06:09
Nobody defensive side is nobody in.
1:06:18
I would say running back. Something better like a bird
1:06:23
takes over running backs. Looking better.
1:06:25
I'm wrong about my hair. OK, Google search.
1:07:08
One of the offensive line coach the offensive coordinator and if
1:07:12
we're talking about what's happening this season it's
1:07:16
pretty easy to. I think the spot the weakest
1:07:18
link of those three. There you go.
1:07:22
And even of the interview if you can separate and say these are
1:07:25
the new coaches, we cannot grade them.
1:07:27
Not this year. It'll probably be the end of
1:07:29
next year before we grade them. We great on.
1:07:32
Who's here? God?
1:07:34
That's good were good. Special teams coach to the fake
1:07:37
punt. Brilliant.
1:07:38
Today you have an athletic guy back there.
1:07:40
You take the risk. Brilliant call.
1:07:42
If so, it consistently goes back to the weakest link.
1:07:49
And I think anybody takes some people felt like Ben's face was
1:07:52
the weakest link. Well, he's proven that wrong
1:07:55
this year, we still ran for over 200 today.
1:07:57
Yep, we gave up two sacks, all right?
1:08:03
If that's your worst game than most people, most teams will
1:08:06
take that damn lie. So that we went, we went spells
1:08:13
in the bearing, the latter days of the Beamer era in the early.
1:08:18
Days of the Flint area where we didn't go.
1:08:22
We go stretches of not getting 200 rushing yards in the game.
1:08:25
So the fact that we're still getting that on a bad day, way
1:08:28
that tells you the steps we've taken this year, Matt taken and
1:08:35
you had to bury the guy but it's like after you had Jerrod the
1:08:39
first year, you had NFL wide receiver and Bucky you had cam.
1:08:44
You had You had has a afford what happens when you've been
1:08:51
drinking and then you lose a game but you had and you had
1:08:55
Gerard you had an okay offensive line, not great.
1:08:58
Not this greater I'd love to see that line with that team.
1:09:02
This line with that team but you didn't have the good a running
1:09:07
back like we do now. But what I've seen is even with
1:09:12
that. We weren't a leak.
1:09:16
We were good. Above average but not great
1:09:21
Elite. So it's like
1:10:14
I feel like oftentimes those calls don't put the players.
1:10:18
Place to have success. Nope, the two calls inside the
1:10:22
Tent today are the ones I pointed, because if you just sit
1:10:25
there and say, yep, you've had some success with Blackshear on
1:10:29
the jet sweeps but you've also had spacing guys spaced out
1:10:31
there. Bunch now I'm sitting here in
1:10:34
just the first one that happened.
1:10:36
I just said to him said to myself just just run the ball.
1:10:39
Just run the ball with Herbert and some ways on get positive
1:10:42
yards. It closer so jump balls are in
1:10:46
effect or You know, Zone read quarterback counters,
1:10:51
quarterback sweets, all on the table, you ran it.
1:10:56
Goes back to the Kentucky game with a freaking back, sweep
1:11:00
short side. When we needed a good.
1:11:05
Yep, it was the worst at the work.
1:11:09
I think me. And you discussed afterwards.
1:11:13
That was that was the change of the game.
1:11:16
You do you call any other play in that game?
1:11:19
You probably becomes Ball but we didn't worst play at the worst
1:11:25
time that set us apart of the game here.
1:11:33
It was the field goal. We missed the 53 order, the way
1:11:38
out there. Yeah the one where if it was me
1:11:42
on Third down, instead of dropping handing back into a
1:11:46
five-step drop. I'm handing the ball off to my
1:11:50
running back and letting us either have a chain of choice to
1:11:56
go for it on fourth or kick a field goal, but instead of
1:12:00
getting a potential at least probably two or three yard gain
1:12:02
on that play, you drop yourself six yards back and take a, make
1:12:07
a 47-yard field goal, a 53-yard field goal.
1:12:11
I mean, and yeah, Yeah, and I mean, so that's execution. 2
1:12:15
news has got to do better Block in the defensive end on that
1:12:17
play as well, but run the ball. If you get 78 yards, you get a
1:12:22
choice to either. Go for it on fourth or kick the
1:12:24
field goal, and worse case scenario, you make that field
1:12:27
goal. Shorter will stand for, it's not
1:12:31
even where it's third and six or seven.
1:12:33
It was Stern for on that play. Yeah.
1:12:36
Before it would have been a 40-second Warner.
1:12:39
It's three and you still don't feel comfortable going for it
1:12:41
leads to 44. 45 yarder where you feel where you know holy crap,
1:12:47
Tampa Bay just walked off. We had a to Two World Series,
1:12:51
all right? But back to this so he would
1:13:05
have had it would have been Get the ball out, the space
1:13:33
underneath the coverage. You know what?
1:13:36
I'll go back even further when we were struggling to move the
1:13:39
ball, that one play where we motion Mitchell out and then got
1:13:42
him out in space. It ended up not being a great
1:13:45
big game because he almost misread the block, but it was a
1:13:48
great design and it got the job done which was get us.
1:13:51
I think we needed three yards on that play.
1:13:53
Wind up, getting like six or seven.
1:13:55
Yeah, like I love that play call like something like that.
1:13:59
Where we're getting the ball out of hookers hands fast.
1:14:03
I mean even what was the other Play where we ran.
1:14:09
Who was it? I think was TV on.
1:14:10
We ran him right? Like, underneath the coverage.
1:14:13
All the way across the formation.
1:14:17
Yes. Oh yeah, we reran the dragged
1:14:19
across the formation and he had room to make a guy missing.
1:14:21
The almost got the first down the end up like three yard
1:14:23
short, like something like that on, on that play would have been
1:14:27
way better than what we ended up going with.
1:14:29
Like you're playing into their strengths too much.
1:14:34
And I mean, I know at some point you're like, well, I'm going to
1:14:37
call this play in the players, have to execute but But okay but
1:14:41
that's that doesn't always work man.
1:14:43
Again sometimes you need to put the players in a position to
1:14:47
have success and not just well this is the play.
1:14:51
You need to execute it. It's one of those weird things
1:14:55
where it's almost like, like like through more stuff like
1:15:04
that maybe on the football team or fraternities where it's like,
1:15:09
We're going to give you an almost impossible mission.
1:15:13
You might complete, but it's almost impossible to complete
1:15:18
versus. That's what he's doing.
1:15:20
Here's the impossible that you probably can complete it coach.
1:15:24
Why don't we do that? That's really easy.
1:15:26
And we're going to get eight yards.
1:15:28
No, no, this is what you gonna do.
1:15:33
Are you saying that for Nelson Lakes to Kobayashi Maru the
1:15:38
often sometimes? Yes.
1:15:42
But I have a question. You see the looks on the faces?
1:15:45
You see the energy level of the guys?
1:15:47
Yeah. You know, for real, like, do you
1:15:51
feel like they're sitting here? Like, like all those guys going?
1:15:55
Oh man. This is when we can run like
1:15:58
tendons are waiting for the play called man.
1:16:00
This would be a good time for QB.
1:16:01
Counter wouldn't be great at Sweet short side.
1:16:05
What what are we? What are we Maybe when we get
1:16:10
into it, maybe there's set up, something weird and you want to
1:16:13
bail out of it. All right, we look to the side
1:16:16
lat. Okay, we're not bailing out of
1:16:19
their check with me. He we're going with us.
1:16:23
I did what I did. And if you think about it,
1:16:27
eventually, the play calls become like that.
1:16:30
Do they give some leverage? Just for one day, give leverage
1:16:33
to him to say if you feel like it's a bad looking bad, play
1:16:35
check out. Yeah.
1:16:38
There's that. If you check out more than this,
1:17:15
The stew for lunch and then have that for dinner.
1:17:17
Oh man, did we ate late? And I ended up, I went all
1:17:23
crazy. Staking State G note, sub-folder
1:17:27
myself, beautiful fat kid, huh? Yeah then I got myself my
1:17:34
sticks, we got salad, but their ranch dressing, some of the best
1:17:40
ranch dressing never. So I just don't hold.
1:17:43
Dude, I think dressing is always baller as well.
1:17:51
I don't know. I think those places like that
1:17:53
they make their home, they might like if it's store-bought it's
1:18:06
somewhere that We didn't really have a run-down
1:18:35
ladies and gentle. We just kind of said, this is
1:18:37
what we want to talk about and kind of went so.
1:18:40
If it's a little little off the normal beaten path, you know,
1:18:44
let us know. But we just kind of felt with
1:18:46
the way the game was played. Both sloppy and very beat
1:18:51
yourself. We figured, we're just going to
1:18:54
run this podcast, kind of the same way and just let y'all know
1:18:56
how we feel and let it ride. So, that's what you got.
1:19:00
Absolutely. Well, guys, that is going to
1:19:04
wrap up this episode of The Boundary Corner podcast.
1:19:09
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1:19:26
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Anytime we lose. We're on the verge of almost
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1:19:52
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