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Steve Price | 19 June · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 2: Good Evening, working to Friday Night's Steve Price with You.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up on the program tonight. The disgraceful idea that
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  Speaker 2: levels of care for Australia's elderly would be judged by
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  Speaker 2: a computer algorithm with no challenges allowed. Well, the government
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  Speaker 2: has finally listened to the backlash and they've dumped it.
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  Speaker 2: The minister who has been in charge, Sam Ray. What's
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  Speaker 2: about time he was dumped as well? Details coming up.
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  Speaker 2: Victoria's teen crime wave rages on as a desperate Allen
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  Speaker 2: Labor government tries to spin the latest crime stats as
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  Speaker 2: some sort.
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  Speaker 1: Of turning point. What a joke that is.
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  Speaker 2: And on the day of their release, news that a
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  Speaker 2: week ago a father at a school pickup was bashed.
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  Speaker 1: He died yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Plus that remarkable outcome in the UK, Andy Burnham sweeps
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  Speaker 2: to victory in the maker Field by election. He's now
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  Speaker 2: expected to contest The Labor leadership will talk to Sophie
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  Speaker 2: Ellsworth about that, and we'll have an update on the
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  Speaker 2: tragic news of a life threatening truck crash involving former
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  Speaker 2: AFL superstar Tony Modra. But first, you know a politician
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  Speaker 2: is in big trouble when they think bragging about the
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  Speaker 2: crime rate in their state that has slipped backwards is
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  Speaker 2: something to brag about. But this, after all, is Victoria. Ironically,
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  Speaker 2: at around the same time, de Cinterer, Allen was spooking
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  Speaker 2: a one point nine percent decline in overall crime with
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  Speaker 2: stats released yesterday. That's one point nine percent down over
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  Speaker 2: four years, the first dip in over four years. Two things,
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  Speaker 2: two terrible events were unfolding, one in a courthouse, the
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  Speaker 2: other outside a suburban school at pickup time now here.
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  Speaker 2: The premiere is via Facebook, telling Victorians they deserve to
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  Speaker 2: feel safe.
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  Speaker 3: Victorians deserve to feel safe in today's crime statistics show
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  Speaker 3: our tougher laws are making a difference. The criminal incident
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  Speaker 3: rate is down nearly three percent, youth offending is down
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  Speaker 3: six percent. These are the biggest reductions in offending since
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  Speaker 3: before the pandemic, and more repeat offenders are being refused
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  Speaker 3: bail and held to account.
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  Speaker 2: You're kidding yourself, lady Jasender. Allen claims the criminal offense
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  Speaker 2: rate is down nearly three percent and youth offending down
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  Speaker 2: nearly six percent.
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  Speaker 1: You heard her there, and she makes the claim.
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  Speaker 2: More offenders are being refused bail and held to account. Now,
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  Speaker 2: how can she stand there and say that with a
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  Speaker 2: straight face and expect people to believe it. It shows
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  Speaker 2: how delusional to cender Allen has become. All in a
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  Speaker 2: week when the polls are so bad for her and
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  Speaker 2: her government, they couldn't even find someone brave enough to
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  Speaker 2: put up their hand to take over her job. So
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  Speaker 2: let's deal in a little real time reality. As Premier
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  Speaker 2: Allan boasted about bail refusals and being held to account,
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  Speaker 2: a sixteen year old boy who bashed an off duty
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  Speaker 2: policeman just after being freed following a multi million dollar
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  Speaker 2: fire bombing of a Vodkas warehouse he was involved in.
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  Speaker 2: He was back in court for the police bashing. It was,
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  Speaker 2: of course, the children's court, so no names. The teenager
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  Speaker 2: of the sixteen year old with two mates, had beaten,
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  Speaker 2: kicked and threatened to stab a male police officer in
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  Speaker 2: an unprovoked attack on the twenty ninth Debain. The sixteen
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  Speaker 2: year old had only been out of youth detention for
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  Speaker 2: one night after that fire bombing when the attack on
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  Speaker 2: the police officer took place. So, in Jacinta's words, held
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  Speaker 2: to account, what do you reckon? Happened in that children's court. Well,
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  Speaker 2: i'll tell you Children's Court president Jack van Destein said
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  Speaker 2: of this kid quote he was, this is van Destein.
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  Speaker 2: He was satisfied a youth supervision order would suffice, pointing out,
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  Speaker 2: in Van Deerstein's own words that he the kid had
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  Speaker 2: strong family support and employment prospects. And then this the judge,
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  Speaker 2: the magistrate, I'm very conscious of the support you have.
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  Speaker 2: You need to make the most of that support, job
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  Speaker 2: prospects seriously. And with that off, the sixteen year old
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  Speaker 2: went pretty sure. I would not describe that as being
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  Speaker 2: held to account. Now, while that was all happening in
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  Speaker 2: Jacinta's Crime Nirvana, we learned that a week ago today,
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  Speaker 2: a sixty three year old man, a school dad on
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  Speaker 2: school pickup duty, was allegedly attacked by two men known
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  Speaker 2: to him in front of terrified parents and their children.
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  Speaker 2: This is at a primary school at three in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: He was allegedly bashed with a pole or a metal
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  Speaker 2: torch and fists and left for dead. Happened outside the
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  Speaker 2: Strathead Primary School three fifteen pm a week ago. A
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  Speaker 2: week ago yesterday, vic poll in a media release at
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  Speaker 2: one fifteen yesterday announced that man had died from his
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  Speaker 2: injuries in hospital. Parents on the spot of the Herald's son,
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  Speaker 2: children were screaming and parents were frantically pushing their kids
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  Speaker 2: in the cars to escape. And as I said, the
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  Speaker 2: man died and homicide squad detectors are investigating. So while
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  Speaker 2: the crime stats might show a modest improvement, they are
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  Speaker 2: being measured against the worst crime surge I can remember
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  Speaker 2: of any state in Australia. Ever, car thefts are at
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  Speaker 2: a twenty year high. Ad old offending jump by ten percent,
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  Speaker 2: possibly because many of those teenagers turned eighteen, and the
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  Speaker 2: numbers showed teenagers were behind sixty percent of all robberies,
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  Speaker 2: fifty five percent of carjackings and forty nine percent of
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  Speaker 2: home invasions. Police arrested oney three hundred teenagers involved in crime,
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  Speaker 2: gangs and the premiere of Victoria she is gas lighting
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  Speaker 2: as usual and she brags about crime coming down. Absolutely delusional, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but now it's what can only be seen as an
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  Speaker 2: embarrassing backdown by the federal government. Hasn't there been a
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  Speaker 2: few of those in the last twenty four hours. It
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  Speaker 2: should have happened though along time ago. This is the
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  Speaker 2: federal government over that controversial age care algorithm. This is
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  Speaker 2: where your elderly parent sits down, goes through a series
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  Speaker 2: of questions, and then what happens is it's fed into
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  Speaker 2: a computer and the algorithm spits out what level of
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  Speaker 2: care they were allowed to have at home. It's been
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  Speaker 2: dub Robot two point zero, quietly conceding that humans now
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  Speaker 2: will be allowed to override the funding decisions it spits out.
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  Speaker 2: Along with an outstanding campaign from News Limited the Tabloids
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  Speaker 2: led by Julie Cross. She's done a great job and
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  Speaker 2: a personal experience of my own with my ninety one
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  Speaker 2: year old mother, this program has been agitating for this
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  Speaker 2: cruel computer assessment to be dropped. A couple of Fridays back,
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  Speaker 2: we had in the studio the daughter of ninety one
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  Speaker 2: year old John Wilson. His daughter, Lynn Meehan told us
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  Speaker 2: how her father's algorithm calculated package arrived a couple of
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  Speaker 2: weeks after he had already passed away and they had
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  Speaker 2: his funeral. This was ten month after he applied.
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  Speaker 4: Dad was a teacher for thirty four years, taught at
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  Speaker 4: Bentley High. After that he did some.
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  Speaker 5: Water reader met a reading made his.
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  Speaker 4: Taxes, always paid his taxes, never disobeyed the law in
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  Speaker 4: his entire life, But when he needed a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of assistance, he didn't get anything.
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  Speaker 2: Tragic story and too late for John. Now I'm expecting
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  Speaker 2: my mother's package to take at least twelve months. Junior
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  Speaker 2: Minister Sam Ray, who's in charge of this who we
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  Speaker 2: have asked onto the borrogram with no surprise, no surprise
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  Speaker 2: at all. No Luck won't even answer our calls. He
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  Speaker 2: needs to take responsibility for this mess. But don't hold
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  Speaker 2: your breath. Interestingly, news the algorithm judgments were to be
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  Speaker 2: dumped was slid out quietly yesterday amid the other backflip
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  Speaker 2: of all backflips, the Capital Gains disaster. Former Liberal MP
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  Speaker 2: Nicole Flint and I have talked about this cruel way
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  Speaker 2: of deciding what level of in home care old or
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  Speaker 2: Ossie should get, she joins me from Adelaide.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, the old political trick, slip out the
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  Speaker 2: bad news on a day when no one is watching.
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  Speaker 1: Eh.
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  Speaker 6: It's absolutely appalling. Steve and I just want to start
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  Speaker 6: by saying thank you so much to you and Julie
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  Speaker 6: Cross and the Herald's son and news generally and the
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  Speaker 6: brave family members who've spoken up about this, because without
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  Speaker 6: this sort of agitation and media attention and digging into
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  Speaker 6: what the problem is, labor would still be getting away
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  Speaker 6: with this. So of course they've tried to bury it
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  Speaker 6: because this is absolutely shocking. I'm actually quite concerned that
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  Speaker 6: they haven't completely overridden the algorithm. The reading that I've
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  Speaker 6: done suggests that they're now going to allow humans to
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  Speaker 6: have input into the decision, but at this stage the
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  Speaker 6: algorithm will still be in charge of deciding whether or
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  Speaker 6: not somebody gets a home care package and at what
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  Speaker 6: level and when it's deliver it. We are going to
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  Speaker 6: have probably hundreds of thousands of vulnerable elderly Australians in
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  Speaker 6: absolute limbo let alone. They're desperate family members who just
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  Speaker 6: want the very best for them and Steve, honestly, this
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  Speaker 6: sort of seems like some sort of awful sci fi movie,
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  Speaker 6: which is humans versus the machines. The machines have actually
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  Speaker 6: taken over here at the cost of people's lives, people's safety.
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  Speaker 7: You've got staff.
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  Speaker 6: Members and bureaucrats quitting because they're all pulled by the system,
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  Speaker 6: and you've got desperate family members who just want to
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  Speaker 6: see vulnerable elderly parents and family members cared for.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're reading of it is right because my
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  Speaker 2: understanding when I quiz the person who was conducting our interview,
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  Speaker 2: she said, in answer to my question, can we challenge
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  Speaker 2: your challenge the result once it comes out? She said, no,
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  Speaker 2: we are told we cannot. That seems to me to
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  Speaker 2: be what has changed that if you're not happy with
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  Speaker 2: in our case, my mother got a Stage three package,
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  Speaker 2: and if you think that she should deserve six or
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  Speaker 2: seven or whatever, you could not go in the past protest.
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  Speaker 2: You now will be able to ask the person who
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  Speaker 2: did the interview to protest on your behalf.
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  Speaker 1: That's my understanding of it.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, okay, yep, that's my understanding too. But still the
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  Speaker 6: algorithm will make the final determination. So I understand that
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  Speaker 6: Senator Ann Rustin is going to introduce a private member's
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  Speaker 6: bill to overturn that and actually put human beings back
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  Speaker 6: in charge, which they should be, because, as I said, otherwise,
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  Speaker 6: we are already living in some sort of sci fi
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  Speaker 6: horror movie and I don't want that for any of Australians.
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  Speaker 2: My only worry with it is if we now get
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  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of people challenging it. It might end
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  Speaker 2: up meaning that the waiting times actually blow out more
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  Speaker 2: and we get to an even more unmanageable situation. While
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  Speaker 2: I've got you there as a fellow South Australian, huge
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  Speaker 2: news today about nineties Afil Crow's great Tony Modra just
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  Speaker 2: such a dreadful accident last night. He was in his
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  Speaker 2: cattle truck down near his farm and went around a
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  Speaker 2: corner apparently and collided with a tree. The reaction in
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  Speaker 2: South Australia today, I think you and I probably need
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  Speaker 2: to try and explain it to the rest of the country.
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  Speaker 2: In his prime, how big Tony Modra was in Adelaide.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you're a Crows fan by the way.
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  Speaker 6: Steve, of course I'm a Crows fan. There's only one
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  Speaker 6: football team in soccer Australia. That's the Adelaide Chris, thank
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  Speaker 6: you very much. So we got on board with the
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  Speaker 6: Crows as soon as they were formed. Madra started playing
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  Speaker 6: for them in nineteen ninety two. A lot of South
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  Speaker 6: OSSI has called him Godra because that's how good he was.
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  Speaker 6: He kicked five hundred and eighty eight goals over one
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  Speaker 6: hundred and sixty five games in his position of full forward,
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  Speaker 6: so that's about three and a half goals per game,
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  Speaker 6: which is just extraordinary. He's up there with the absolute
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  Speaker 6: legendary great full forwards of Ossie Rules. And I guess
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  Speaker 6: what's a bit different about Modra though, that is he's
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  Speaker 6: just such a humble man. He is so well respected
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  Speaker 6: because he's just a truly lovely, gentle human being.
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  Speaker 7: He never sought the spotlight.
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  Speaker 6: He was a server, he was from country South Australia.
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  Speaker 6: He's back being a beef farmer.
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  Speaker 7: And this is just tragic.
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  Speaker 6: It's just so Yeah, everyone in South Australia is just
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  Speaker 6: hoping and praying that he'll make a speedy recovery. Signs
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  Speaker 6: and reporting tonight is that you know he's still in
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  Speaker 6: a critical but stable condition and that he's improving. So
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  Speaker 6: let's hope that continues because he's one of the really
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  Speaker 6: good humans and also just one of our absolute South
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  Speaker 6: Australian footy icons.
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  Speaker 1: Here as a proud South Australian nicole.
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  Speaker 2: You said that brilliantly. Thank you very much for joining
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  Speaker 2: us tonight. I'll talk to you again soon. Let's hope
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  Speaker 2: Tony Modra does make a full recovery. Let's stick on
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  Speaker 2: politics now, and these figures you won't believe. They're from
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  Speaker 2: the Australian Bureau of Statistics. They reveal that a staggering
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  Speaker 2: eighty percent of cigarette smoked in Australia last year were
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  Speaker 2: illegal cigarettes. You may not be surprised by that at all,
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  Speaker 2: eight out of ten though the government's crusade to tax
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  Speaker 2: smokers into submission, we know it's cost the budget billions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars. It's handed a multi billion dollar black market
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  Speaker 2: straight to criminal gangs. Melbourne has a Deputy Opposition whip
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  Speaker 2: and co chair of the coalition's new Illegal Tobacco Task Force, Mary.
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  Speaker 2: I guess those figures eighty percent illegal don't shock you.
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  Speaker 7: No, they don't, Steve, and you only need to look
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  Speaker 7: at the three hundred fire bombings and associated time with
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  Speaker 7: this to see where the proceeds of those crimes are
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  Speaker 7: going the illegal cigarette and the Cigarette Commissioner had estimated
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  Speaker 7: that the illegal mark head with the BATO was about
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  Speaker 7: fifty to sixty percent, but the Australian Bureau of Statistics
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  Speaker 7: has to flown that out of the water, saying now
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  Speaker 7: that only twenty percent effectively of the tobacco market in
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  Speaker 7: Australia is legal, so the proceeds of those times are
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  Speaker 7: going to some really terrible activities. Smoking rates are not
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  Speaker 7: going down. The first time in thirty years in Western
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  Speaker 7: Australia has been an uptick in smoking rates and the
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  Speaker 7: Criminal Intelligence Wastebader apport shows a four percent increase across
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  Speaker 7: Australia in the metro and regional areas. So the government
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  Speaker 7: are just failing on every front here and they will
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  Speaker 7: not address the elephant in the room, which is the
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  Speaker 7: exorbitantly high tobacco exercise taps.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about Task Force in
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  Speaker 2: the moment. I don't know if I've got a wrong
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  Speaker 2: sense of this, but it seems to me that there's
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  Speaker 2: been a little bit of a move on from burning
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  Speaker 2: down tobacco stores and they're now concentrating on booze shops
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  Speaker 2: and the entertainment industry. That may indicate to me you'd
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  Speaker 2: be better to judge to make a judgment on this.
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  Speaker 2: To me, that means to me that perhaps the illegals
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  Speaker 2: have won the war. They don't have to keep burning
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  Speaker 2: down shops anymore because they've got all the customers.
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  Speaker 7: Well, the federal government through its stubbornness on this issue,
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  Speaker 7: have just completely outsourced the market to whichun of eighty
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  Speaker 7: percent to crime gangs and tobacco lar laws. And so
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  Speaker 7: there is a really close link between elicit tobacco and
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  Speaker 7: the growing illegal alcohol market which we're now seeing take hold.
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  Speaker 7: And my real worries, Steve, is that if as a government,
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  Speaker 7: this federal government don't really tackle illegal tobacco, we are
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  Speaker 7: going to see the illegal alpho ole market get completely
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  Speaker 7: out of control. And nobody wants to see that.
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  Speaker 2: What will the task force attempt to do? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the government has all the power. I mean they clearly
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  Speaker 2: don't want to bring down the excise on tobacco because
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they're desperate for money, and the
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  Speaker 2: Border force don't have the resources. It wouldn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: try and stop these things coming in from the country.
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  Speaker 2: What would your task force have the government do?
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  Speaker 7: Well? The Coalition's Task Force has done the policy homework
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  Speaker 7: that the federal government refuses to do so after over
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  Speaker 7: the last couple of months and at a Richard pullback,
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  Speaker 7: my co chair and I have done a range of
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  Speaker 7: consultations with economists like Saul Eslack, who is certainly not
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  Speaker 7: tied to any one party. He said that the excise
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  Speaker 7: taps should be coming down. We've done a number of
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  Speaker 7: health roundtables with people like doctor Nick Poatesworth, the former
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  Speaker 7: Deputy Australian Chief Health Officer, who happens to also be
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  Speaker 7: a respiratory specialist. We could not get a better qualified
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  Speaker 7: medical person on this issue. He said the excise taps
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  Speaker 7: should be coming down. We've consulted with small businesses and
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  Speaker 7: retailers like Janet and the long Warry friendly grosser in
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  Speaker 7: my electorate who was round rated. And we've also spoken
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  Speaker 7: to law enforcement at a state and federal level. You
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  Speaker 7: mentioned Border Force. Now interestingly there's a Senate inquiry on
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  Speaker 7: this issue at the moment, and Border Force have come
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  Speaker 7: as close as they are allowed to with the constraints
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  Speaker 7: that they have in saying that enforcement alone will not
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  Speaker 7: fix this issue. In other words, we need a Swiss
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  Speaker 7: army knife approach of policy options, and so that's the
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  Speaker 7: work that the Politician's Task Force have done. We've completed
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  Speaker 7: our work and we'll be moving to the next steps
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  Speaker 7: very shortly. But we're prepared to have an honest conversation
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  Speaker 7: with Australia about this issue in a way that the
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  Speaker 7: government are not there all over the place. Late last
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  Speaker 7: year Murray Watts of Senate estimates that there was no
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  Speaker 7: link between the very high excise tax and elicit to
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  Speaker 7: back oone crime. But then you've had Julian Hilly, Assistant
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  Speaker 7: Customs Minister, more recently say that you'd have to be
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  Speaker 7: deluded aline not to see the link, and more interestingly
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  Speaker 7: last week month Butler said that he did see a
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  Speaker 7: link there, but there was not yet any work done
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  Speaker 7: on modeling effectively to a plant a solution. And so
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  Speaker 7: they're all of the things that Richard Knight, they will
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  Speaker 7: be very hard on.
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  Speaker 2: Keep up the fight. Mary will keep an eye on.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Mary Aldred there. And that's just crazy,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it. Eighty percent of cigarettes and now illegal all right?
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  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break the budget back down, that's
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  Speaker 2: fulling nobody Campbell Newman joins me straight after the break,
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  Speaker 2: welcome back to Price with you. Yesterday has to be
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  Speaker 2: announced as backflip Thursday. Anthony Albanezy Jim Charmers out there
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  Speaker 2: trying to clean up the mess at their own budget
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  Speaker 2: created after five weeks of argument. Concessions on capital gains
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  Speaker 2: tax overhaul backflipping on trust with the higher taxes. The
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  Speaker 2: response from business community still has been swift and blunts.
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  Speaker 2: Not good enough from a Queensland Premier Brisbane Lord meet
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  Speaker 2: Campbell Newman, our Friday night regular joins us from Brisbane.
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  Speaker 2: I increasingly looked at that pair yesterday and thought to myself,
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  Speaker 2: neither of these jokers understood what they were doing.
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  Speaker 8: No, Steve though clearly didn't. And you know, I'd be
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  Speaker 8: betting money that Jim Charmers and Albow didn't actually know
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: what a testamentary trust really was. It might have been
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: some vague notion in the back of their mind. My lawyer,
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: a great lawyer by the way, was talking to me
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: over lunchesna He reckons that any will produced by a
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: competent lawyer in the last twenty years would have at
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: least been offered up with the concept of having a
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: testamentary trust embedded in it, because it's a very useful
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: mechanism to protect your children. And I just don't think
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: they got it. But the fascinating thing that the politics
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: is because it is a train wreck, it's a complete
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: roads ash of a budget. Is the chism now that
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: must be building between the PM and Charmers. Another one
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: is you remember Charmers has always been touted as the
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: next PM sort of thing. Well, I think that's on
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: the back burner for a month of Sundays surely. Like
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: I think the world's caught up to Jim Charmers and
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: he's been found wanting.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Increasingly people are saying, well, we wouldn't expect Anthony Alberinezi
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: to actually be there come the next election. I mean
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: he's already said publicly, yeah I'm going to be there.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I'll stand again. But you can't trust him out his
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: word anymore anyway, and this is going to be the problem.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know the political machinations of this as
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: well as anybody. Once you lie like they did, it's
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: very hard then for anyone to believe what you tell
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: him in the future. Even if you look down the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: barrel of a camera and say, you know, fifty times
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I've said that I won't touch a negative gearing, Well,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: if you look down the barrel fifty times and say yeah,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I'll be there next time for election.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: Leaves you.
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: Well, absolutely, the coalition or one nation could go through
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: the Parliament asks a series of questions get that on
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: the record and then run a series of ads just
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: with the answers and going clearly alive, clearly alive, clearly
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: not true, no intention of delivering. I mean you know
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: albo shot as well, of course. I mean when you
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: get to a negative net favorability of minus twenty four ish,
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: it's oscillated around a bit. I mean, that's terminal. You
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: actually don't come back from that. People stop listening to you.
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: They don't believe you in this case with him. But again,
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: I think the interesting thing is that Charmers as a
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: future PM labor PM. I think that's over and our too.
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: I think his reputations in tatters nationally with the community,
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: but perhaps more importantly on these matters inside the caucus.
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: This is the guy that delivered this.
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: Complete sham nozzle to them that is now hurting them
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: every single day.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I think you're one hundred percent correct.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what surprised me most about that stunt
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: in the press club the other day for I get up.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I was under the impression get up and disappeared. I
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: haven't heard about them for years.
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: Well, this is a big rejuvenation, supposedly, but I think
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: it was an own goal, because all the people who
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: currently support Hansen, and quite a few others who maybe
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: thinking about it, would have watched and gone, there they
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: go again. You know, that same mob, and now that
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: it's identified as being get up that same mob who've
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: given us people dressed up in kohala bab koala skit
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: through koala suits and platypus suits, et cetera, gate crashing,
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: interrupting people on the conservative side of politics. They're trying
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: to get a message out. I think they're going you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: that just says it all. They would do it to
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: Pauline Hanson. I just think it just strengthened her day,
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: and she took it well on the occasion. I think
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: they made a big mistake by doing it. Mate, didn't
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: help them at all.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: You, as well as anybody, knows how important confidence is
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: in politics. I think she's found a level of confidence
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: that she's never had in the thirty years she's been
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: in public life.
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: It's actually extraordinary, and one day I think there'll be
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: more than a few books written about whatever happens, about
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: how this has happened. But yeah, like Pauline hands is
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: out there speaking confidently, proud. If you like and brave
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: to continue to say the things that she believes. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: don't believe in everything she says, but I can tell
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: what there's quite a few things that I go, gee whiz.
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: I wish someone in the Coalition would have the strength
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: to say it. And by the way, the reaction to
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: some of the things that she said by the coalition
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: both Tremngus Taylor and I think Garth guys, you really
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: you're verbling her like the Labor Party. Monoculture is not
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: what you're saying. She meant, what Paul and Hanson meant
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: is that we have one flag, one government, an ethos,
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: the rule of law, respect to democracy, but our democracy
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: in our system and our jude A Christian sort of heritage.
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: That's what she's talking about with monoculture. Don't try and
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: pretend that she's against us all enjoying a suvolarchy or
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: a or a fantastic ty Green Curry. I mean, she's
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: not saying that at all. She's saying that people have
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: to have an allegiance to an Australian identity. Fundamentally, we talked.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Last week and they'd raised off the back of the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: fire of a liary and it was rolling up through
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: two and a half three million, got up over four million.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a political fundraiser like that in
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: your life?
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: It's extraordinary, mate, sort of when I go back to
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: my time in politics, I mean, we'd be green with envy.
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: I mean, I just checked before the show. By the way,
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: it's up to it's over four point seven midion heading
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: towards four point nine seventy five thousand individual Australians have donated.
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: I was just trying to remember if it was three
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: point two million or two point two million when we
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: spoke a week ago. But anyway, you know, like it's
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: at least a million and a half extra. I mean
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: that just shows that she's got her own communication channels,
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: that she's speaking to people in a way that they're
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: responding to. And I think at the moment the sort
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: of the train we'll move on with great momentum, the
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: handsome train.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just got to spend the money wisely. Now,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Campbell was good to catch up. We'll see your next Friday,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Campbell Newman. There, I just quickly want to jump across
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the other side of the world to London where that
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: by election that played out overnight.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: This blok Andy Burnham.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Has that by election in that seat and the clock's
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: now really ticking for Keyr Starmer. Sky One his contributor,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: News Corp Australia's European correspondent, Sophie Ellsworth has been keeping
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: an eye on it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: That was Make a Field. We talked about it a
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: week or so ago. He won. I must say in
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: his victory.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Speech he's a bit up himself, this bloke, isn't he.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: He's talking about his victory being you know he's going
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to change the world.
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: Now, well he needs to just calm down a little
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: bit because he's not Prime Minister yet, Steve. But he's
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: certainly making his way into this residence behind me at
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: ten Downing Street, and he looks to be the country's
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: next Prime minister if all the experts are saying what
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: he's right, and it is that he will challenge sa
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: Keir Starmer, which he is yet to do, and if
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: he does, he's expected to get the keys to ten
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: Downing Street. Now he needs support of twenty percent of
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: the Parliamentary Labor Party, so that is eighty one MPs
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: and he needs to meet several other thresholds to ensure
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: that he can run as a candidate against Sekre Starmer
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: in the leadership race. So this is looking like we
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: could have a new Prime Minister here in Britain in
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: the coming weeks.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Steve so for just to let our audience know why
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I think he's a bit up himself. Here he is
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: after the victory was announced. He's what he said, this is.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: A final chance to change.
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: This is what people said directly to me on the
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: hundreds of doorsteps that I stood on. We must hear it,
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: we must act upon it, and we must get it right.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: There will be no second chance.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So is he fundamentally different to Kei Starmer? And what
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: is he going to do about the issues that you
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and I talk about on a regular basis, particularly the
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: problems with illegal entrance into the UK.
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: Well, he's more left leaning than Secure Starma. I would
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: argue he's in the soft left of the Labor Party.
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: He's being critical of the Labor Party. He's flip flopped
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: on policies. He said that he wants to rejoin THEEU,
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: then he backpedaled on that. He's also very much for
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: mass social housing building across the UK, and he's come
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: out on several other policies including softening the issues relating
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: to migration, so some voters are confused with what he
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: actually stands for. Steve, but the Labor Party incredibly concerned
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: that if they stick with secure Starma, they will lose
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: the next general election, which must be held here by
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: twenty twenty nine. So the idea is boot him out
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: yet this guy in and hopefully they improve themselves in
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: the polls because Reform are winning the polls across the country,
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: similar to Paul Enhancent in Australia, They're very very popular
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: here in the UK. Despite the fact that Labour won
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: this might make Afield by election.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess that particular part of the UK
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: where that by election took place, Manchester, Reform was not
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: as strong there. Their presence and all their candidate weren't great.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Well, Steve.
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: It's really interesting because in the local elections in that area,
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: Reform won pretty much every single seat in that Makefield
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: constituency are nearly thirty seats, so it was really interesting
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: going into this that Reform had a damn good chance.
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: They had a plumber candidate, a very knockabout chap that
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: was running for this seat said some sexist comments in
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: the past that were dragged up off his social media
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: from over a decade ago. Experts here are saying that
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: didn't help him with the female vote. Andy Burnham is
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: very popular in Manchester. He's the mayor. He's done many
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: good things for them there. But being the mayor of
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: Manchester is very different to being the Prime Minister of
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: this entire country which has enormous problems on its hands.
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: The Labor Party are very much out of favor here
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: in the UK. Reform is a massive threat to them.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Steve.
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: So, if you think politics in the UK is about
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: to get really interesting, it's only just getting started here.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Good on your Sophie. Sophie ELL's with here. I'll talk
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: to her again next week. I'll be filling in actually
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: co hosting with Peter Kredlin all next week. Peter will
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: be in the UK up front looking at those sorts
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: of issues. So coming up on the program tonight, the
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: soccer u's ready for battle with the US tomorrow morning,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: five am on the East coast of Australia. But Australian
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: fans can't get a ticket. I'll talk to Patrick Clancy, he'll.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Join me next. Welcome back to Steve Price with you.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I reckon that most of Australia is going to be
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: up at five o'clock tomorrow morning Australia and Eastern Standard
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: time when the Battle for Seattle takes place, this showdown
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: between the soccer Oos and the hosts of the World Cup,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: the USA. It all happens, as I said, tomorrow morning,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: well before the sun comes up. But I reckon, we're
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: going to break some TV records tomorrow morning. Patrick Clancy,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: so one of them is the chairman of the Football
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Supporters Association of Australia's in the studio, going to break
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: some records tomorrow.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: I reckon.
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: I think there will be millions of Australians waking up
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: at four am, five am tomorrow to watch this huge game.
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: It is one of the biggest World Cup games we've
• 31:34
  Speaker 12: ever played in. It's against the hosts obviously, and I
• 31:37
  Speaker 12: think we're a bloody good chance.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Really.
• 31:40
  Speaker 12: Yeah, definitely, we played probably as best as we've ever
• 31:43
  Speaker 12: played at a World Cup against Turkey.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: That was very gritty, very physical, very they always had
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: control of the game.
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: You felt, Yeah, that's your typical Tony Popovich team, very gritty,
• 31:56
  Speaker 12: just mentally so strong and fitness wise. Probably the fittest
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: team at the World Cup.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: How good are the Americans?
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: Now, the Americans are good, They've got some players in
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: some pretty good European teams. But I put that mental
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: health up against sorry, that mental strength up against the Americans,
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: and the fitness wise, which you'll see in the second half,
• 32:21
  Speaker 12: and just the general talent across the team, and I
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: think I think we can win it.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: So Patrick, it's a case of the old case of
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: a really good team beats a team of really good players.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 32:32
  Speaker 12: That's always been the case with Australian teams. We've come
• 32:34
  Speaker 12: up against some really strong teams at World Cups. I
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: remember back in two thousand and six we played against
• 32:40
  Speaker 12: the Croatians, a really really strong team, and it was
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: a cauldron of Croatian supporters in Stuttgart and we overcame
• 32:50
  Speaker 12: them and we qualified to the next round.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: We've got live sites all around the place. Tomorrow you're
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: going to be in fed Square. At one point there
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: was some silly decision to shut down live sites at
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: fed Square. Well, the government backflipped on that. Thank goodness,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that'll be packed on it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: Fed Square is one of the iconic places to watch
• 33:08
  Speaker 12: the World Cup. Not just in Australia but around the world.
• 33:11
  Speaker 12: There'll be international media outlets that will run footage from
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: fed Square, particularly if we score and win the game.
• 33:19
  Speaker 12: It is a magnificent place to watch the game. The
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: atmosphere is amazing, the passion is amazing, and yeah.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I guess every tourist also who's in Melbourne who's a
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: football fan to.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Be there, Well, you got it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm sure they'll try and be there, but you know,
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: it's a capacitive about seven thousand, so you'll have to
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: get there early. Gates open at four am. I if
• 33:38
  Speaker 12: you're in Melbourne, take us to Seattle.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: What sort of I mean this stadium I keep hearing
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: today they talking about how it's the loudest sports stadium
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: in the United States. The Americans got off to a
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: cracking start in their game when when they smashed the
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: opposition in game one. The crowd inside is obviously going
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to be very pro American didn't affect Popovics team.
• 34:02
  Speaker 12: No, I think they've got.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: The mental strength to overcome that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: As I said, you know, back when we played Croatia
• 34:09
  Speaker 12: in two thousand and six, again similar sort of team,
• 34:13
  Speaker 12: just really focused, really strong, and I think we can
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: overcome that. There'll be somewhere in the vicinity of eight
• 34:21
  Speaker 12: thousand Australian fans in the crowd.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: They'll be just as loud.
• 34:25
  Speaker 12: They did a fantastic job in Vancouver last weekend and
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: I'm sure that they'll be looking forward to a win.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: What are the fan Association members who are over there
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: telling you about ticket prices?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: Look, ticket prices has been a huge issue leaning into this.
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: FIFA have really made this very difficult for fans right
• 34:46
  Speaker 12: across the globe. It is very It's the most expensive
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: World Cup to ever go to, so it has been
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: very hard.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: So they went to this surge pricing method, didn't they.
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: Oh look, it's just cowboys style. You can sell your
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: ticket for whatever you want. And the great thing for
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: FIFA is they collect thirty percent on the way through,
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: so it's in their best interest for those tickets to
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: sell as much as possible, but it's not in the
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: best interest of football fans and they need to fix
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: this up for the next World.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: How many ossies would be in Seattle got at the idea.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not sure.
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: Somewhere in the sort of vicinity of six to ten thousand,
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: and we reckon about we reckon about eight thousand of
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: the game.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: What would you pay to get a ticket?
• 35:27
  Speaker 12: Now, I reckon for that game you wouldn't get any
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: change out of two grand for the worst seed in
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: the stadium US dollars.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And then if we get to so we play the US,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: we then play again next Saturday, don't.
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: We next Friday?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Next Friday? And it's a daytime game back here.
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: Correct, twelve noon. It's in San Francisco against Paraguay. Really
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: good chance that they are a pretty strong team from
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: South America. But you know, again, I think we line
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: up quite.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Well, so have all the mathematics works. So we've obviously
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: won the first game. If we were to say, draw
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: with the US, that would put us in a pretty
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: good position. Yet because Paraguy lost by so much of
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the Americans in the first place.
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I think a drawer against the US would
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: probably see us through to the next round. We want
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: to win, though, because the higher we finish up in
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: our group, the better chance we are of meeting a
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: sort of a weaker opponent in the round of thirty two.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Good luck in fed square you might need it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: No thanks to fleas and good luck waking up at
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: four am and enjoying the game.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: We'll be up. Good on you, mate, Patrick, thank you
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: very much for that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I have already set my phone folks for five am.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I want to bring in now scot And news host
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Am Woodsmith. Kel Richard's one of my favorite people to
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: pull apart. This story that unfolded during the week just
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: flowed me four Victorian labor MPs elected representatives. People are
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: supposed to be smart, who know how to run things,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: who presumably went to school, have been caught in a
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: spelling blunder while doing a media stunt to get this
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: promote online school literacy. You honestly could not make this
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: stuff up, Kel Richard's one of Australia's greatest words. Smiths
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: joins me, now, Kel, could you you.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Could believe this?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: When you saw this, you would have gone, I'm not
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: surprised at all.
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: No, No, you're quite right. And people need to understand.
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: What they were doing is they were saying to people,
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: tell us your experience of school and misspelt the word
• 37:19
  Speaker 13: experience in the third syllable. They reversed the E and
• 37:22
  Speaker 13: the I and Steve, I'm like you, I'm saying, how
• 37:25
  Speaker 13: on earth could this ever happen. Obviously, those little posters
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: they were holding were produced by publisher or some program
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: like that. At no point did anyone think, oh, we
• 37:34
  Speaker 13: should hit spellcheck. Didn't occur to them, did it? And
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: they hadn't heard a proof reading. I keep saying to everyone,
• 37:41
  Speaker 13: never hit send on a text or an email until
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: you proofread it.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Now that's distressing. Mind you. You made the point.
• 37:49
  Speaker 13: They went to school, and that might be the problem
• 37:51
  Speaker 13: because the education system has failed a whole generation of kids.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Can I tell you what happened in education.
• 37:59
  Speaker 13: I was talking to David cill probably the world's best linguists,
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: on my radio show, and he said, in the UK,
• 38:04
  Speaker 13: and the same thing happened here. For forty years, they
• 38:07
  Speaker 13: stopped teaching spelling and grammar. And the reason is they
• 38:12
  Speaker 13: were taken over by a very trendy system called whole language.
• 38:16
  Speaker 13: They'd researched the really good readers and they discovered that
• 38:18
  Speaker 13: good readers don't spell out words by letters.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: They look at the shape of the word.
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: So they had this bright idea, We'll teach all the
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: little children to read and write by the shape of
• 38:29
  Speaker 13: the words. Now, if you're teaching the shape of the words,
• 38:32
  Speaker 13: you don't need to teach spelling, you don't need to
• 38:34
  Speaker 13: teach syntax. And that's what happened for forty years. They
• 38:37
  Speaker 13: finally woke up that it was a dumb idea and
• 38:40
  Speaker 13: it's been dropped and they're going back to teaching spelling
• 38:43
  Speaker 13: and syntax now. But there's a generation they failed. There's
• 38:46
  Speaker 13: an age cohort out there who never had this sort
• 38:49
  Speaker 13: of who don't have the tools to work with the
• 38:51
  Speaker 13: English language. And look at the age of those labor
• 38:54
  Speaker 13: members of Parliament. I would think they are in that cohort, Steve,
• 39:00
  Speaker 13: I would.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Think they probably are.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to make it an admission here.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I write a lot, and when I
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: write for the newspaper, obviously I need to spell correctly.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: And I've become a little bit lazy because I know
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: spell check is there.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I kicked myself about it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: But it's more my fat fingers hitting the wrong key
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: on the keyboard on the laptop than it is about
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: not being able to spell, I must admit. But when
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you have a whole generations that have all had spell Check,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: how can we expect them to know how to spell exactly?
• 39:35
  Speaker 13: And the point is you know what should be there.
• 39:38
  Speaker 13: You know what's right. I know it's right because we
• 39:40
  Speaker 13: came through and it was still taught. I've been a
• 39:43
  Speaker 13: senior producer and dare I say at the ABC New
• 39:47
  Speaker 13: Israel and if you saw the copy I got from
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: young journalist Steve, you would shake your head in disbelief, honestly.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: So there's a whole generation.
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: They are now out in the community as business people,
• 39:59
  Speaker 13: as teachers, as politicians, fairly obviously as lawyers, and they
• 40:04
  Speaker 13: don't have the tools to work with grammar. So and
• 40:07
  Speaker 13: by the way, some of those people, some of the cohort,
• 40:10
  Speaker 13: are now teaching in schools and they have to teach
• 40:13
  Speaker 13: little children what they were never taught when they were
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: in school. And the anecdotal evidence is they are struggling.
• 40:20
  Speaker 13: But you and I were taught it. So we know
• 40:22
  Speaker 13: what we want to do. Even if we don't get
• 40:24
  Speaker 13: there somewhere, even if you have from time to time
• 40:26
  Speaker 13: what is called an FFV, a fat finger error, we
• 40:30
  Speaker 13: know it's wrong, we.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Know it, we know what it should be.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Well, a woman who one of the politicians, she tried
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to make up for the mistake, and so she said
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: put up a sign saying I must get my text
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: out to fix the problem. How do you reckon she
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: spelled text.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: She compound me oh.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: T e x t R instead of tex CEA.
• 41:00
  Speaker 13: Yes, you're exactly right, and it underlines my point. They
• 41:06
  Speaker 13: were not given the tools in school, so they don't
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: have the tools.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: They don't recognize when it's wrong. They need to have.
• 41:12
  Speaker 13: They need to be hardwired with a little chip in
• 41:14
  Speaker 13: their brains that works like a spell check machine.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Quite frankly, Kel, great to catch up and you'll see
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: you on the Credlin program next week. Kel Richard's there.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: As I said, I'll be co hosting with Peter next week.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: She'll be live from London from Monday. Okay, after the break.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Our Friday night panel Joe Hilda Brand and Christy McSweeney
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: join me after the break to discuss AI recruitment. Welcome
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: back Friday Night panel Times Sky News regular Joe Hilda Brand,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: love to see him every Friday night and contributor Christy
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: McSweeney's with us as well. Welcome to you both. Now, Joe,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: you and I well know probably better than anyone, you
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: should never overwrite a story. I was tipped off today
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: something that's going to appear in a rival paper to
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: yours in Sydney tomorrow in the Good Weekend magazine written
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: by some bloke that I've never heard of, and he
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: has written what appeared to be something as long as
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: the Bible about the rivalry between Melbourne and Sydney because
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Melbourne is poised to become apparently the biggest and most
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Liverpool city in the world, which is a joke in itself.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I have lived in both cities, as you know, Joe.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: More time spent in Melbourne, but I've spent sixteen years
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: living in Sydney as well. The well, I just never
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: get into the rivalry, and people say to me, what's
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: the better city? All I say, well, they're both great.
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. I'm a bit like you, Pricey. I
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: grew up in Melbourne and then moved to Sydney in
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: two thousand, actually the Olympics year, when the place was
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: just pumping, and I thought, who are all these uncouth,
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: loudmouth bogans. And they're a bit racist too, I might add.
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: And then a few of the years later I was
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: back in Melbourne. I think, oh, are all these pretentious
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: tosspots going around? And they're skivies and Armen Lattes. So
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: I think both cities have plenty to offer for everybody.
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: But I could tell you that there's not much rivalry
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: in Sydney for Melbourne.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: I think we like to go down there and consider
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: ourselves a bit fancy and call for a bit and
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: then retreat back to the ghost dazzling Harbor city.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I got to ask Christy time Out magazine is going
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: to appoint Melbourne as.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: The world's most livable city.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Did anyone from Time Out Magazine, Christie, spend more than
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: five minutes here, because if they did, they would be
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the Australians Australia's worst ever crime crisis.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: There's kids running around with the machetes, potholes in every
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: road you drive your car on, the government's broke How
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: can we be even in the top one hundred cities,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: let alone the top Well how much.
• 43:47
  Speaker 14: Did the Victorian government pay time so they can get
• 43:51
  Speaker 14: that headline and put it across their social media seeing
• 43:54
  Speaker 14: see and wave it around. I don't know. I think
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: there's some sort of deal there, because you wouldn't say
• 44:00
  Speaker 14: that Melbourne in its current climate and it is a
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: great city, and it is fantastic. But tell the people
• 44:07
  Speaker 14: out on the suburban fringe, who have no arterial roads
• 44:11
  Speaker 14: to the freeway, living in house and land package estates,
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: who were promised train stations, who were promised bus stations,
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: who stand out there in the rain on the middle
• 44:21
  Speaker 14: of a major highway every day just to get to
• 44:25
  Speaker 14: a train that probably won't be running now. That is
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: not a livable city.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: No, if you ask me and my great mate Peter
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Kredlin took brad Baton for a wander through the CBD
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: last week and they spent all of their time tripping
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: over homeless people who are living in the city. And
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: apart from that, they then had to run away from
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: people who were affected by drugs, who were running around
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: half naked stealing wine bottles out of bottle shops. I mean, seriously, hey, Joe,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: let's talk about something really exciting. Five o'clock tomorrow morning.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
• 44:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely huge.
• 44:57
  Speaker 9: Obviously I will be going to get sweet, sweet, sweet
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: revenge on the US of A. Even though I am
• 45:04
  Speaker 9: half American, I am one hundred percent Australian. And after
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: just being blown away by Australia's performance against Turkey on Sunday,
• 45:14
  Speaker 9: It was amazing, like they had ninety percent of the
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: ball and yet every time we got it we somehow
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: managed to score a goal. I reckon these soccer us
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: can do absolutely anything, and I think the victory against
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: the US will be all the sweeter. Given the lip
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: that we've been copying from the Americans, it makes me
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: think they might be a little bit nervous.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Christy.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I heard an interview this week on radio with John Bertram, who,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: of course brilliantly back in nineteen eighty three we were
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: three to one down against the Americans, came back with
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the Australia to win, to win the America's Cup.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: We stuck it up America.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: They took them twenty years to recover from US beating them.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could do that tomorrow.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, these people are so up themselves.
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: Steve is a West Australian. You are speaking my language here,
• 46:00
  Speaker 14: invoking the great John Bertram and the Australian too. It
• 46:05
  Speaker 14: would be absolutely fantastic to see the soccer Roos stick
• 46:08
  Speaker 14: it to the Americans. Not in the least because in
• 46:12
  Speaker 14: the USA that college athlete soccer program for boys and
• 46:16
  Speaker 14: girls is so competitive. They put so much money into it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 14: These guys are worth so much money, they get all
• 46:23
  Speaker 14: the opportunities. Poor soccer who's over here in Australia. You know,
• 46:27
  Speaker 14: Australian sport often beats these big guys on the smell
• 46:29
  Speaker 14: of an oily rag. That would be amazing.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Yep, Fremantle was certainly good. When we came back and
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: tried to defend it, it didn't go too well since then, Joe,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I wanted to get your thoughts on this story about
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: artificial intelligence.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: It's not just screening your job application now, it's conducting
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the interview and deciding whether you get the job.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: How does that work? That's a machine. It's doing a machine.
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: That's right. Why doesn't the machine just go and do
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: the job itself instead of deciding which human it's going
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: to actually employ and which it's going to convert into
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: plant food. I have grave misgivings about AI, and to
• 47:03
  Speaker 9: be honest, the more I hear about what its incredible
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: capabilities are, the more I'm aware of a lot of
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: the foibles that I see. Maybe that's just in its
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: kind of current primitive state, but I think it will
• 47:13
  Speaker 9: change how we think of things and what it actually
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: means to be human. I'm pretty sure that pretty soon
• 47:19
  Speaker 9: we're going to be looking at that and saying, do
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: we really want a machine deciding the people that we
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: want working next to us? Don't we actually want to
• 47:27
  Speaker 9: be able to pick up on a more human vibe,
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: So I think the machines will have to take a
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: back seat.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Christy's one of the most smartest people I know.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: How much do you use AI for?
• 47:40
  Speaker 14: Look, it's really interesting. I'm not, but thank you for
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: the wonderful compliment.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I am actually on.
• 47:46
  Speaker 14: The board of New Southwest's largest technology and startup festival.
• 47:50
  Speaker 14: It's called Spark Festival, So I actually work in this
• 47:52
  Speaker 14: space of AI, and whilst the Australian government is doing
• 47:55
  Speaker 14: its best for AI policy to be a union led
• 47:59
  Speaker 14: industrial style negotiation, the AI economy and the innovation it's
• 48:05
  Speaker 14: creating in Australia and the jobs and the young people
• 48:08
  Speaker 14: working in looking at our sovereign capability is huge and
• 48:12
  Speaker 14: it's being ignored. That's my first point. So I actually
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: do know a lot about it, but a lot of
• 48:18
  Speaker 14: it works with humans, you know, this recruitment stuff though
• 48:22
  Speaker 14: this is an Outsourcingark This is not top tier AI,
• 48:25
  Speaker 14: this is not innovation.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: No, not at all, and I continue not to understand it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Christy and Joe, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Make sure everybody you get up at five o'clock tomorrow
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: morning watch the soccer rows and hopefully we can beat
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the Americans. Rowan Dean is up next. See you next
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: week