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• justice for: were honestly a weird time. Yeah. Yeah. Like ⁓ every adult that satanic cults were hiding in daycares. ⁓ Heavy metal music was summoning demons, and somehow everyone's mom was convinced that Dungeons and Dragons was gonna ruin your life forever. ⁓ my gosh, satanic panic. But every once in a while there's a case from that error that you have to stop and go, wait, maybe people weren't panicked enough. Welcome back to another episode of Justice 4. We are your host. I'm Jackie. And I'm Sam. What the fuck, dude? Yeah. I mean, we we've had a very solid rule in here that like everybody satanic panicked too much. Yeah. But did we finally find where we didn't panic enough? Yeah. ⁓ Okay. Do we actually have some like weight to this? Like, do we find a true, like not in a good way satanic cult? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. ⁓ this We gave you guys a couple of really heavy weeks the past couple of weeks, yeah? Sorry. So sorry. so this one's still heavy. This one's still fucked. Fucked. But it's not children. There we go. ⁓ no, as always, we look at pictures first, and I am very intrigued based off the pictures she showed me. Yeah because I'm all I'm so confused. And then I got to the end and I'm all, ⁓ yeah, I forgot it's a cult. Yeah, we're talking about a cult. Sorry to spoil that. ⁓ it's fine. I say it pretty early on, so we're good. So really quick before we ⁓ get into this bad boy. Shameless plug. That's the word I was going for. Shameless plug. Hey, ⁓ I'm wearing maybe our season three merch. Yeah, except for it's gonna have a different little logo up on the front, still the heart hands. ⁓ it should be out by now. We we should have completed that and did it. ⁓ if it's not Yeah, go ahead and yellow this. I I don't I don't know. You're still gonna be here listening. We're still gonna be doing this, but we're gonna it's yeah. Yeah. With that though, please go follow us on all of our socials Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Spotify, Apple, iHeartRadio. 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So listener discretion is heavily, heavily advised during this. But now ⁓ buckle up buttercups. I'm just gonna Full blown NASCAR this shit 'cause God damn. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, she said fucked up way too many times for me to not NASCAR this. Yeah. I need you to keep your arms and legs inside the moving vehicle at all times because we are heading to Montemoros, Mexico. Stop. I need to change my buckle. We're gonna go upside down hardest at Elyches for the mind eraser, because that's what I feel I need now. Yep. We are heading to Montemoros, Mexico in 1989. Okay. It's about to be a bumpy ride. Our story starts with a 21-year-old pre-med student named Mark Kilroy. Mark was born in Chicago on March 5th of 1968, to James, who goes by Jim. And Helen Kilroy. And he had a brother named Keith. Can I say that that's just like I love that last name. Kilroy? Yeah. Yeah. What a last name to have. I know. That's super cool. I like it. I like it. So he was born in Chicago, but his family did eventually end up moving to Texas, where he grew up in Santa Fe. Okay. Which is actually just right outside of Houston. All right. So not the Santa Fe you're probably thinking of, which is New Mexico. Santa Fe, Texas. Okay. Everything I read about Mark basically described him as this like ideal person. He was smart as hell, athletic, friendly, got good grades, like genuinely one of those people where everyone around him says the exact same thing about him. And you said he was premed, right? Yes he was. Yes. I will get into this in a second. That vibes. Mm-hmm. We're rocking with Mark. We're rocking with Mark, is Mark's rocking with us. Finally I get to say that about a Mark in an episode, and every time I say that, it goes horribly wrong. Yes. We ⁓ no, not we. He, Mark, played baseball, basketball, and golf. He was in Boy Scouts, Student Council, Honor Society, like super overachiever behavior. Okay, okay. Mark originally went to Southwest Texas State and then I'm sorry if I say this wrong, Terramon State on a basketball scholarship. Okay. ⁓ he ⁓ eventually ended up transferring to the University of Texas in Austin because he wanted to become a doctor. Yeah, I was about to say he's gonna need a bigger school than than that to do all that stuff. Yeah, yeah. ⁓ I didn't put it in here, but he was in a fraternity. If you couldn't tell by these pictures, he was like a pu popular frat guy in the eighties. I think my exact thought was why does he look like an eighties douchebag? And it's because they were frat boys and I'm all either. There it is. Like he just looks like like Mark in the best way possible. I'm sorry. But like in every eighties movie of the typical douchebag, that is like I was like, that's Yeah. It's 'cause Mark, you should have smiled in some pictures. If you just would have smiled, I feel like we would have been less douchey looking. He did have a couple that he smiled at ⁓ my bad. Whatever. Anyway. It's fine. It's fine. So during college, there's one thing that everyone looks forward to. It's one of the most iconic times. The wet t shirt contest? Close enough. Spring break. ⁓ no saying that hand. So on March 10th, 1989, Bradley Moore, who is one of Mark's best friends from childhood, headed to Austin to pick up Mark. And then they traveled over to Santa Fe to pick up Bill. Huddleston and Brent Martin, where they drove for nine hours down to South Padre Island. Okay. They checked into a Sheridan hotel around midnight and then headed up to the beach the next morning when they woke up. Now, if you've ever been to South Pod ⁓ my goodness, South Padre Island during spring break, first of all, my condolences. Secondly, you already know it's fucking chaos. Trying to think like Daytona Beach, spring break. What a great time. Yeah. There's thousands of drunk college students sunburning themselves into basically leather. Making horrible decisions. And they never were sunscreen back then. So no yikes. ⁓ while also making light choices that absolutely should not have been documented on film. And they weren't, because it was nineteen eighty nine. Yep. Girls Gone Loud didn't come out for a few more years. I We will check that afterwards. That's not necessary to this episode, but I'm very curious about when they that came around. So Mark and the boys had pretty basic plans in mind for this entire trip. Go to the beach, drinks drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, drink. Meet some girls, you know. Drink some more. Yep. Spring break 1989. Yep. They called their parents every day, actually, when they got to the hotel, just to let them know that they were safe. I still love that. Good for you. Good job, boys. Mm-hmm. So back to the first night that they got there. They ended up meeting a group of girls from Purdue University. I have zero weight in that. I know. Indiana. Okay. I was like, I don't even know where it is, but I have zero weight in that. Barry Morphe went to Purdue. Just to slide that little tidbit in there. I forgot about that. Mm-hmm. Anyway, so they ended up meeting this girlfr these this group of girls from Purdue University and ended up partying with them all night. The next day they went to the beach in the morning, got Mm-hmm some suntan a little bit, aka sunburnt, and they went back to the ⁓ resort to have some lunch. Then they went back to the beach that was like right behind the resort where they watched the Miss Tanline contest that happened every single day. Was it just who had the best tan lines? I think so. I don't know. Once that was over, they decided to go and take a nap before their evening shenanigans. Okay. Mm-hmm. Me too. ⁓ Now, one of the big things that did there was cross over the border into Mexico to party ⁓ because the drinks were cheap and the drinking laws a lot more relaxed. And you're just like right there. Yeah, you're literally right fucking there. Right there. ⁓ So that was actually their plan for the night. ended up leaving the hotel and made their way to Port Isabel, Texas, where they ended up having dinner at Sonic. Uh-huh. And then they met another group of girls from the University of Kansas who were also on the way to the border. So they kinda ended up deciding to caravan down with these girls to Brownsville, Texas, where they parked their c their cars close to Gateway International Bridge, where they ended up getting out of their cars and crossing the border on foot. Okay. Yeah, into Matamoros. Okay. Mm-hmm. Matamoros is no small city, by the way. It is the second largest city in the area, and it had a population of five hundred and twenty thousand three hundred and sixty seven back in twenty sixteen. That's a lot of people. Ten years ago. Yeah, that's so it was I mean probably maybe take like a hundred thousand away for the It was probably smaller in the eighties, but it's definitely but not that much smaller, yeah. Yeah. During the daytime, Montemoros is full of tourists, mostly in the bars. There's restaurants, there's shopping, normal tourist stuff. Yeah. But behind the scenes, there's cartels and violence. Drug trafficking, corruption, and apparently ritual human sacrifice. Yeah. I know how insane that sounds, ⁓ and I wish I was exaggerating, but we're gonna put a little pin in this and I'm gonna come back to that later. I am now certain that Sam has spiraled after Logan episode we are back to it's not spontaneous combustion, but human sacrifices in Yeah. ⁓ All right. This is how I cope. This is how she copes. It's it's apparent now now we can't not see it when she does it. So all right, that's I was not ready for that. I'm ⁓ I'm intrigued. Yes, yes, yes. Are you guys because I'm really trying to figure out how we ended up in this. Like we we are having a great time, we are pre-med, we're being safe, we're calling our parents, we're hanging out with girls from other universities. ⁓ I mean Mark's rocking with us. We shouldn't go across the border into Mexico, but also it's nineteen eighty nine and it's fun and it's a bigger city, which I don't know if that makes us better or worse. I don't Okay. Yeah. I'll quit spiraling. Join the party, girl. All right. So the group ended up partying at a nightclub called Sergeant Peppers. ⁓ I love that so much. I know me too. ⁓ they were still with the girls and then they decided. Me too. Sorry. I wonder if it's still down there. I didn't look. We're gonna look at that afterwards. We have a lot of things to Google after this episode. We will remember none of them. No, we're not. Okay, so they're Sergeant Peppers. Yes. Okay. the boys stayed there, partied a little bit more, yada yada yada. Calm down, Leticia. and the boys ended up making their way back to the hotel in the early morning hours. So they went back to our hotel. Okay. Did they call their parents? Probably the next day, yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. So then it's March thirteenth. So they've been down there for a few days now. All right. Mm-hmm. They wake up and attend another Miss Tanline contest. Mark ended up meeting up with one of his former fraternity brothers. Okay. At a party, ⁓ some condo as well. I don't know. They knew a lot of people down there apparently. ⁓ didn't the normal what their plan was, beach, drink. Yeah. Girls. And then around 10 30 p.m., Mark and the boys went back over the border into Montemoros. Okay. This specific night, Montemoros was flooded with at least 15,000 college kids on the main city street. The sidewalks, streets, and clubs were just all packed. So the boys decided to go to the bar that had the shortest line. And that bar was called Los Sombreros. Okay, okay. Mm-hmm. Mark and his friends did end up deciding to go to a couple of other bars as well. Sorry, I put the names of the bars in here just because they're awesome. Okay. So they ended up going to a few other bars before they ended up at a place called the London pub that had temporarily I know, that had temporarily renamed itself the Hard Rock Cafe for spring break. Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. were saying that some the tourists like at this bar that some of the tourists were actually like throwing beer from the balcony. ⁓ So this was a little crazy, but I mean, whatever. ⁓ they were having a good time. Americans. I know. Always ruining good things. Always. Mm-hmm. ⁓ But everyone was having a good time. And then at some point, Mark actually got separated from the group because he was talking to a girl that he had met earlier at the Missed Han Lance contest. Get it, Mark. Get it. Get it, Mark. I mean, he wasn't bad looking. No, he wasn't. So good for you. But then around 2 a.m., good guy Bill, his friend Bill, gathered all the friends minus Mark, ⁓ to head back to their hotel as they walked out. out of the bar they found Mark leaning against the car. You know, good old Jake Ryan status here, talking to little Miss Tanline. The group started they he gathered, gathered Mark and Miss Tanline, and they started walking back to their car towards the border. Because they once again they probably like walked across the border. Yep. So there's thousands of people ⁓ currently trying to leave the bar, right? Sounds like Yeah. Leaving the bar to cross back over to border. Or okay. At least walk over. to cross over the border because of how many people were there, it actually caused Bill and Mark to be separated from Bradley and Brent. Okay. But not like a lot. ⁓ but could they still see each other or like was it just like they're ahead of us and we're behind them. I think it's that. And then when this tan line was still with Mark. Okay. So I think they just figured like it's not a big deal. Everyone knows where the car is, we'll meet up at the car. Cool. Do we have a picture for Lil Must Stanline? No. I do wanna point out this is the part where there's some discrepancies on how much they were separated. Okay. Because there was some saying that they were separated, but then there was some that he they were kind of there and maybe just ahead or behind. Like you still had eyes on them, but there's just too many people to kinda like weave up there and you're like, I have eyes on them, we're back here, we're fine, and we'll all get up there together once we get through this crowd. Yes. But it was a big enough detail that they were separated that I needed to put it in here. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Cool. So Miss Tan Lance, still with Mark. But they ended up stopping at some steps at a house. ⁓ so he could say goodbye to her. Okay. ⁓ Bill actually had to stop and go pee at this time So he popped into like this little really quick. Well men do. Yeah. While Mark like waited for him nearby, but not in the alley. When Bill was done and came out, Mark wasn't there. Where'd Mark go? He kind of figured that maybe he just went back to the little Miss Tan lines and he so this is the discrepancy part because it says that Bill then went and found the other guys, but they weren't far. So Was did we drop Loma's tan line off across the border or before the border? Before. So was she I'm gonna assume that she's from down in the Texas area and knows people across the border in Mexico and so she was just like going to a house over there. Maybe that was just their the spot that they decided to split. Or there's that too, and she could go whichever way or wait for friends. But I'm really wondering if like we were in the crowd. Uhhuh. Right? And we got separated. Yeah. And so the ones up front realized they couldn't see the ones in the back. So they just kinda like pulled over and like stopped. Yeah. And Mark was doing that and like Bill was like handling a pee in this alley. Yeah. And so like either like Mark or not Mark, Bill like walked a little bit ahead or maybe Bill had stopped back before the alley. Like before, like was ⁓ Mark's like, hey, I'm gonna say bye to her right here, and Bill's Word, I'm gonna go in this alley real quick. Yeah. And he came out and he wasn't there, but he looked over and saw the other group just standing there, and he was like, ⁓ cool, they're right there, and we'll just go over there. Hold that thought in for a second. Okay. Because something else is about to come up in a little bit that I mean, I'm just it doesn't make sense. So that's why I'm very confused about the discrepancies of their separation. Let me tell you about this. So you know I just came back from EDC. Yes. For you guys, it's 170,000 people a night on the Vegas Speedway. And we were literally walking at the back of a stage crowd. Okay. There's four of us. And our guy on the end, literally, he was right there. We thought that he went around this like a vendor type thing like this, like it was like a beer bucket, okay? Yeah. He was gone. I remember texting us back. Nowhere to be found. We did not find him for like two hours. We eventually found him again. And then But it was just so weird because we were right there and then we turned around. So like he even said he stopped to look around for us and we had not gone for more than ten feet. But and there wasn't that much I mean, I'm talking like ten feet in front of us. Like we're walking this way, and then he went this way, we went this way, and just gone. It was crazy. So I understand how a separation, like can happen. At that point in the night, that was a big deal, but afterwards we were like, okay, I see what happened. It was right here, it's really quick. So like we thought that we were probably separated for maybe ⁓ maybe by like ten, twenty people, but that was enough that we couldn't see each other. Absolutely. You know, so I could see that this separation could have just been that and a crowd leaving to exit. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ I do wanna point out really quick though, that this is the exact fucking reason why girls go to the bathrooms together. Like not only do we pee holding hands, that's also where we rap battle. No, I'm not gonna go into detail. Go to the bathroom with your friends, dude. It's not that bad. I mean hold it for ⁓ shake it off. Whatever you gotta do, stay together. Stay with your fucking friends. Yeah. Okay? So yeah. So Bill did end up meeting with meeting up with Bradley and Brent, okay. Where they decided to search around the area, still in Mexico, might I add, for a few hours. Hey, we don't leave our friends behind. Period. But they couldn't find him. They even crossed o back to the border to see if maybe he was just waiting at the car. Like he went to the car when he couldn't find them because yeah. Because but he again, he wasn't there. They waited in Brownsville for a while. for him to show up just in case, but he never came. Then around four thirty AM they decided maybe he just went back to the hotel with little Miss Tamline. So they decided to head back to the hotel themselves, thinking he would show up again in the morning. Okay. But then the next morning came. There was no sign of Mark. So they reported him missing to the local police. I like how quick they did that. I I really like how quick they did that and they weren't like, ⁓ he's off with somebody or he's doing this, like they really took their friend into account. Yes. I'm also very confused about how Mark was taken by somebody and so many people. We're gonna get to this in a second. I figure. So now initially, authorities treated this like a pretty routine missing person case because apparently people disappeared in Montemoros fairly often and usually turned back up drunk with no memory of what happened. ⁓ That's still not reassuring or encouraging, that's not okay. Yeah. ⁓ This fact alone that they're just like, ⁓ he's probably drunk. ⁓ That ⁓ Well no, it's it's the fact that they say it like people get drunk and up a day or two later with no recollection of what happened. that part. We're not talking about eating the worm. Yeah, absolutely. We're not talking about like going on a bender and doing all this. Like for authorities be like, ⁓ it's fine. This happens all the time here. No, bitch, figure out why it happens all the time here. Yeah. Yeah. You're about to tell me. I already know. Mark was one of sixty people who had disappeared in Montemoro since the beginning of the year. So that's about roughly about 20 people a month. But remember that they were only about halfway through the month at this point. So basically the police heard he was missing and was like, okay, and ⁓ I don't like this. Same. But thankfully, Mark's case quickly got a lot of attention because his uncle worked for US Customs. ⁓ I was one thousand and ten percent going to assume because he's a white college educated man who was pre-med and was from across the border. A white man 1000% I was putting this all in the baskets of it's a white man who's pre-med. Well his uncle also works for the US Customs. So that helps move along. It helps definitely helps. So not only did the police in Montemoros have to t step the fuck up, ⁓ but it also started getting national attention in the US. Love this, love this. The police in Montemoros were worried that they would get so like get bad publicity and tourists would stop coming to the city. That's a lot of their revenue. That's their economy. Is these fucking drunk college kids coming over. It's a tourist. It's the same thing as so Vegas has a deal with the media that they do not report deaths on the strip. Period. Because you never hear that makes you don't ever hear about it. We learned about this in the back of an Uber. After because we were literally in Vegas and we had saw clips on TikTok of somebody who had jumped from the stratosphere and we asked our Uber driver this is our Uber or taxi driver why you haven't seen it on the news. And he was telling us all about it because he was out driving that morning when they had all the crime scene tape and everything out. And he goes, So Vegas hotels have a deal with the media here that you don't report on deaths on the strip on like the news stations and like local news stuff because ⁓ tourists who are in the city watch it on the TVs and the hotels and they don't want it to make national news. So if there's like shootings and deaths on the strips, if you do hear about it, yeah. It's 'cause it got out somehow. But they do major damage control. Yeah. I think Disney does something similar in Orlando. That makes so much sense. Like I think genuinely the only like thing I've heard about Vegas was that massive music festival. Yeah. And there's been like a couple others, but you see them go away so fast. That's cra I never even thought about that. Yeah, we lear yeah, we learned that on like ⁓ in the past couple years on a trip out there. It was crazy to me, but it makes sense. basically, they're worried that their economy is about to plummet. ⁓ So they decide to shift the blame. ⁓ And say, ⁓ he actually disappeared in Brownsville. So there's no reason you need to be looking in our city. Like Brownsville, Texas? Yeah. There's no reason that you need to be looking here for him, because he was in Texas. No, he wasn't. Uh-huh. But thankfully all of his friends were very fucking set, like, no, he fucking disappeared there. And his uncle is very much on the side of his friends. Yeah. And these boys were being responsible. They were calling home every single night. Yes. They were sticking together. They were doing this. Like, yes, we're crossing over the border, but so is fifteen thousand other college kids and adults. So like it's not like these boys were selling drugs or taking things back and forth across the border. They weren't you know what I mean? Like they were being college kids. Just college kids. And like and in the best way too. Spring break. So But because they stuck to their guns like so fucking hard, the Mexican Federal Police Force ended up coming on and vowed to work on the case and actually help all of the US investigators. No shit. Mm-hmm. A police task force was actually created in Brownsville as well, and one of the commanders from the Mexican Federal Force assigned Mexican agents to accompany. every single US agent into Montemoros. Together they ended up speaking ⁓ to informants, witnesses, like gathering information and followed up on tips together. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I that's Hell yeah. But to be real though, mm hmm, we see this happen in Mexico a lot. Until the until another ⁓ like agency lights a fire in their ass or like threatens to come in, like they will keep doing their same thing that they do. But as soon as like you get the FBI involved or customs, like they suddenly are like, Well shit. Mm-hmm. Pretty much. So together Mexico and the US ended up suspecting that there was foul play involved. So no shell. How long did that take? Actually not very long. Okay. So actually everything that I'm telling you happened f fairly quickly. Okay. I I get into data a little bit later. even they suspected foul play, there weren't ⁓ any leads could ⁓ make that firm conclusion. Okay. ⁓ The police up retracing the guy's steps. They the guys actually walked them through their night, which was really nice. ⁓ And they put out a description of Mark to multiple jails and hospitals in the area. ⁓ Nothing came it though. Okay. Mm-hmm. ⁓ They ⁓ Also decided to put the boys, so Bradley, Brent, and Bill, the bees, into hypnosis sessions to see if there was anything that any of them could remember. We did so many cases for so long without hypnosis, and in the past six months, it's like every fucking police department in the US used hypnosis from the sixties to the eighties, and it's hilarious to me. Yeah. What did their hypnosis come to do? So under hypnosis, Brent, ⁓ please remember, was not with Mark and Bill. He was part of the separate separation. So this is why I'm fucking confused. Brent was questioned and he mentioned that he saw a young Hispanic man wearing a blue plaid shirt and a visible scar across his face talking to Mor Mark right before he disappeared. He recalled the guy saying Hey, don't I know you from somewhere? However, he couldn't remember if Mark ever replied to him. On top of that, all of the boys do not recall the exact location or time that he disappeared from. So that's super frustrating. So like I said earlier, they got separated in that crowd. Mm-hmm. But I'm wondering if by the time that he had stopped to say goodbye to Loma's tanline. That the boys were there. And that the boys were standing up over here. Like they had a visual on them and were like, ⁓ they're right there and saw Bill go down the alleyway to go to the bathroom and like obviously you see what's happening. Like you're like, okay, cool, they're right there, they're gonna walk up here. You're talking to your friends, you turn into this, and you turn back around, they're gone. Like you see Mark talking to some guy, you see Bill go down the alleyway, they're like, Okay, cool, we're standing up here, they're walking this way anyway, and then you turn, you talk to your friends, look back, and now he's gone. Yeah. So like I could honestly see that because especially if Bill didn't spot the group up there before he went in the alleyway, but then he got right back up to them. Yeah. I'm gonna assume that. I mean he came out and they were like boo boon. Yeah, yeah. And of course we're drinking. Yeah, we're drinking whatever. And so like I could honestly see that like Bill came out that alleyway, still didn't see the group up there. Looked around for Mark first. Mark wasn't there, so he backtracked a little bit to where the steps were. It's like okay, he's not there, but then as he walked this way, he saw the group up there. Yeah. And I could see Brent not really remembering that interaction after everything else happened afterwards. Yeah. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. So basically, investigators suggest that Mark was kidnapped for robbery or ransom, but most likely robbery since there hadn't been any calls for payment. Yeah. Yeah. They fully believed that at this point he was murdered and his body was dumped in a remote location. So they used helicopters and ATVs to look along the Rio Grande River, but his body was never found there. Okay. But They did keep investigating. And honestly, the deeper investigators looked into this, the worse it got. Because meanwhile, living in Montemoros was a man named Aldolfo Costanzo. And let me tell you guys, this man was fucking out of his damn mind. Okay, yeah. Costanzo was ⁓ also, I can't decide if I want to call him Al Adolfo or Costanzo, so I call them both. Just know I'm it's the same fucking It works. Yeah. ⁓ Costanzo was born in Miami in nineteen sixty two. Okay. ⁓ his father did end up dying when he was very young, and eventually his mother became involved. So he's twenty nine at this point. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ and eventually his mother became involved with men connected to ⁓ An occult in drug trafficking ring. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. From a young age, his mother did believe he had psychic abilities. And that honestly feels like we're at the beginning of a really bad horror movie. ⁓ So could Costanzo eventually became involved and I'm so sorry probably gonna say this wrong, either Palo or Palo Mayombe and Santaria. That one I know how to say ⁓ Thank you, Sublime, for making me aware of what Santa Ria is. ⁓ Though ⁓ I want to s say right now, ⁓ it is very important to say that Costanto was ⁓ not a representative either those religions. ⁓ Okay. Okay. So please don't hate on any of that because of this fucking man. This man basically twisted spiritual practices together with his own psycho fucking pathy and cartel violence together into something completely horrifying. He convinced people that he could protect them from bullets and police and Death? Sir, like that's not What the fuck? That's not how any of this works, bud. Mm-hmm. But apparently he was like charismatic as hell. Well, generally cult leaders have to be. So I mean you saw that picture of him. Yes. So yeah. He actually worked as a model at one point. He read tarot cards and built a cult following in Mexico City before becoming connected with drug traffic here. traff traffickers. ⁓ my gosh. Okay. So he had the cult and then was like let's get into some drugs. He's like, what else can I do? Okay. Let's get the cartel involved. So there are a handful of people that were involved with Costanzo. They didn't just see him as a drug lord though, they saw him as a prophet. He controlled everyone around him through intimidation, loyalty, and psychological manipulation. And he had a fucking band of followers. There's so many people that like I'm only gonna mention a couple, like a little bit more in depth, but It was crazy. Okay. How many people were involved and like loved this man. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting. Mm-hmm. And unfortunately, Mark crossed paths with this cult at the worst possible moment. So a few weeks went and there was no answers for Jim or Helen. ⁓ They actually ended up coming to the area ⁓ and handed out over twenty flyers, missing person flyers. Jesus. ⁓ They offered rewards. They ended speaking to some politicians, went on television, they were ⁓ desperately trying to find their ⁓ His case is Actually ended up on America's most wanted as well. Okay. So they did the damn thing. They did it. They did it. Mm-hmm. And then almost by accident, investigators got their break. April first, nineteen eighty nine. So just a couple weeks. Yeah, I'm like, that's not that's not that long after. It's not long after. Mexican federal police noticed a truck speed through a drug checkpoint without stopping. That's not suspicious. ⁓ huh. Instead of immediately pulling the driver over, they decided to secretly follow him. I was about to be like, did they use a drone? But it's it's nineteen eighty nine. It is the eighty nine sorry. I got so excited for drone footage of this and then realized what year it was. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But no, they secretly followed him to a ranch outside of Montemoros called Rancho Santa Elena. Okay. When they reached the ranch, they ⁓ so they came, they watched whatever he was doing. And it's a small building. If you go and look at pictures, a small little like shack, essentially. They waited for that driver to go away and they went onto the property and searched around where they found drug evidence and strange cult related items which immediately raised some red flags. What do they consider cult related items? I will tell you in a little bit. Because I don't know what I was there a giant pitcher of Kool-Aid on the counter with some I don't I'm sorry, continue. I'm just really like I won't go into detail. No, I go more into detail later, but basically sacrificed ⁓ animals. Okay. Okay. Heard. Yeah? Okay. Okay. So they ended up ⁓ following the driver again. and capturing him and identified him as Seraphim Hernandez Garcia, who was connected to a local drug family ran by Adolfo Costanzo. I am so surprised. I did not see that coming. Yep. Police decided to keep investigating instead of just arresting him right away so they could get more evidence of everyone who was fucking involved in this ship. Did they show a picture of the guy to like Brent and Bill and them to see if it was the guy that was with ⁓ I'm sure they probably did, but I don't have reports of it at all. But I I'm sure they did. Okay. So a few days later, police arrested several members connected to the ranch, including a caretaker for the ranch. Like a groundskeeper or like okay, we have Hagrid, perfect. ⁓ During questioning, actually the groundskeeper ⁓ identified a photo of Mark Kilroy and confirmed he had seen him on the property. He was unaware he worked for a Colt. ⁓ no, he was very aware. ⁓ Okay. So then eventually they finally arrested ⁓ Seraphim. I'm really sorry if I'm saying that wrong. Seraphim? Okay. S E R A F I N. Sorry. Let us know if we Yeah. We try so hard not to butcher names, but I can also call him Garcia because I do talk about him more. So if I call him Garcia That's right. So Togar C the same person. He was the driver. Cool. Gotcha. He eventually was actually arrested and confessed that multiple people had been murdered under the orders of the cult leader, Adolfo Costanzo. Okay. According to the confession, Costanzo believed human sacrifice gave his drug organization supernatural protection from police and violence. He specifically ordered his followers to abduct a white. American male for sacrifice and Mark was chosen after being separated from his friends. Huh. Uh-huh. I wonder how he could have been chosen after being separated from his friends. That's crazy. I wonder who would have known that he was separated from his friends. The cult members kidnapped Mark off the street, took him to the ranch, held him overnight, and brutally tortured and murdered him as part of a ritual. they buried his body along the ranch with several other victims. ⁓ I'm actually going to get more into detail on this in a moment, but I need to repeat that for you really quick. That one of them confessed not just to Mark's murder, but to multiple other murders. Multiple fucking murders. So this is literally one of the few times that I can say Mark was simply in the wrong place at the wrong. I want it fucking imaginable. There's It this was just a random like It genuinely was. Random. Like there was nothing he did. There's nothing where it like he just happened to fit the description they wanted and he managed to get separated whether that was of the doing of somebody else or just naturally happened. ⁓ let's up a moment so I can tell you about what was confessed about Mark's capture and murder. ⁓ right here I'm gonna give you another It's ⁓ intense. Okay. Okay. Okay. ⁓ So on night that ⁓ Mark taken, he was standing on the side of the road as one of the guys lured him closer to the truck. And that is when Garcia and a guy named Mario were wrestled him into the bed of the truck. I was wondering how they got him. You know what I mean? Because he's he's not a small dude. No. And he was athletic. And he was athletic. And like I I was genuinely curious how they got him. ⁓ remember he was a big sports guy, so he fought back. Good. ⁓ one of the guys actually said that he broke free from the truck about two when they were about two blocks away from they originally took him and he started running. No. But unfortunately, it's a cartel and a cult at the same time. And there's a lot more people. There was another vehicle close by that ended up stopping him and more members intercepted him, holding him at gunpoint. He was then subdued and handcuffed and thrown into the car, not the truck. they ended up driving ⁓ away the city. ⁓ Towards the city's like outskirts where the ranch sits and that's where they left him in the car overnight. Okay. Mm-hmm. The next day the caretaker came out where the ⁓ this person ended up feeding him bread, eggs, and water. Weird but okay. Mm-hmm. And then Costanzo and a few of his other men came to the ranch to see the to see Mark. They duct taped his face and mouth and walked him through a field with his hands still behind his back and put him into a storage shed. Throughout that night they tortured and sodomized him. Then he was led out into the field ⁓ when they were done torturing him. Where Costanzo killed him by chopping at the back of his neck and head with a machete. Jesus Christ. ⁓ my god. then they ended up removing his brain, ⁓ where it was boiled in something called a ingaga in no ⁓ my gosh, ingaga Ingaga. What's that? ⁓ which is an African metal pot that was used to stew human and animal remains as part of a ritual sacrifice. Holy shit. It's about to get worse. Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I warned y'all. I warned y'all. ⁓ Mark's legs were then chopped off above his knees so they could bury him easier. And a wire was inserted into his spinal c column So once his body had decomposed, they would be able to pull him out from the soil easier. the cult members then dug a hole into the ground and buried his body. The removal of the legs were not part of a ritual, but it just made it easier for them to bury him. ⁓ Garcia, the driver, actually agreed to take the police to the location of his body, ⁓ which happened to be marked by the ends of the wire coming out of the dirt. ⁓ he also told them that once the bodies were removed from the ground, I stress bodies were removed from the ground, the members would wear the wires and bones as necklaces to ward off danger and injury. Okay. Mm-hmm. That's enough internet for today. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Mark's remains were found on April eleventh of nineteen eighty-nine. So almost a month after he was captured. But is honestly really impressive. I'm not gonna lie. For cartels in Mexico and how much desert there is and other stuff, I'm I am genuinely shocked at how quickly this happened. All because this fucking driver skipped a tr a checkpoint. Yeah. Literally by accident. And then he essentially started confessing right away. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ on the same day, four other suspects along with Garcia were taken back out to the ranch where police held them at gunpoint and made them dig up every single grave. ⁓ there were fifteen bodies, ex other bodies that were exhumed on site. I mean I kinda like the police making them do their labor for them. I g I I really enjoy that. Can we start doing that in the US please? 'Cause ⁓ Mark's remains were matched with dental records. ⁓ most of the other bodies were identified as rival drug dealers or prostitutes. So that's why most people weren't looking. Mark was the only random victim out of all of them. ⁓ I do hate to say that three of the fifteen bodies have still never been identified. ⁓ that's sad. Mm-hmm. during the raid ⁓ the ranch, ⁓ also found hundred and forty three pounds of marijuana, a hundred and eight grams of cocaine, twelve firearms, and eleven vehicles. Read tiny cartel. ⁓ Yeah. Read tiny This was just one location. This was just one location. Mm-hmm. And it wasn't he's pretty new into the the cartel side of it, remember? Yeah. He dealt more with the cult side. the iron pot. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh-huh. We have to talk about that now. Sorry guys. The iron pot, ⁓ they discovered remains of a human brain. A goat's head, chicken feet. ⁓ that's the picture you showed me. Yep. Okay. ⁓ huh. so chicken feet, a turtle, a bunch of different herbs, a horseshoe, and some coins, and they were all mixed together with animal blood. I have a small silver lining again. La bad despite. Okay. ⁓ okay. Yay. At least they weren't eating people? I don't sure. Yeah. So the next day the police held a press conference and the suspects that confessed were actually paraded around the building's balcony and they were allowed to answer questions from reporters. I ⁓ she told me about this while showing me pictures. How do we implement this in the US? it's in Mexico though, so Miranda rights aren't a fucking thing. Nope. So you don't have to remain silent. ⁓ this is fun. Mm. Interesting. Only the balcony part. Like I just found that so interesting. I was like, because if you look in the picture, the picture's a picture of They have their microphones on like giant flagpoles, like extender, like you it's a giant extender selfie stick, and they're like, Hello. ⁓ one of the guys that was ⁓ Paraded around though. His name was Elio said that he was an ordained executioner in that Adolfo is actually the one that murdered Mark himself. How does one become ordained in execution? I I'm sorry, Mexico. Do you ⁓ is white? Yeah. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. There's some more. Okay. So two weeks after the bodies were exhumed, the police actually went back to the ranch where they ended up burning down the shack. And like and before they burned it down, they actually went through and did their own ritual with like sage and like all this other stuff. And then once it was all burned down, they laid a wooden cross over the ashes. Did we collect enough evidence first? We're good. Okay. We're good. Okay. ⁓ April thirteenth, there was a memorial held for Mark in Santa Fe, Texas. It was supposed to be a prayer so ceremony for his safe return, but it was turned into a memorial service. Okay. A hundred and fifty children pinned yellow ribbons outside of the ⁓ on the church's trees. There was another memorial held in Brownsville, Texas, where over twelve hundred people showed up all in support. All wearing yellow ribbons that said miss you mark on them. ⁓ I love that. Mm-hmm. When news broke publicly about all of this, people lost their fucking minds. Because remember, this was peak satanic panic era. And it had nothing to do with our satanic panic that we had in the US. ⁓ except unlike a lot of those stories, this one was horrifyingly real. Yeah. I'm surprised you haven't caught on to this yet. I've mentioned a lot of arrest. Uh-huh. Except Well on the standlines. And Didn't we arrest Adolfo? Nope. ⁓ I thought he was in the people who were arrested. Nope. That motherfucker is nowhere to be found. So authorities launched a massive international manhunt for this guy. Alright. Mm-hmm. And honestly, this manhunt kinda sounds like it came out of a fucking movie. There was rumors that he fled to Miami, Chicago, Houston, like there was Tips coming in. The original Brian Laundrie. Sure, yeah. Remember how everyone was like, He I saw him here. He's in Cuba. He got on here. ⁓ yeah. That's Hey, his Instagram went live and he was on water. I know. But that's crazy. Was it one of those like everybody like watching the TV as they're like manhunting for him? Yeah. Alright, alright, alright. so actually you guys He went to Brownsville. Where he and four other people hopped onto a plane. I get it, go the last place they'd ever suspect. Right where it happened. Yeah. Crazy. ⁓ it didn't happen in Brownsville, that's where they said it happened. Yeah, yeah. It was across the border. But that's wild. Yeah. So but in Brownsville, that's where they started and then him and four other people hopped onto a plane in McAllen, Texas, which I believe was pretty close. Why would you fly out of the US and not Mexico? I don't know. But they flew to Mexico City, where he had an apartment, apparently. Why wouldn't you just drive there? I don't fucking know. I don't know. So we love dumb criminals. Yep, yep, yep. So they're still having this manhunt for him, but the police actually ended up arresting multiple people while trying to find him, like people who lived in his at a different apartment. ⁓ some family members, like just anybody trying to get to him. Anyone connected with him, they're like you're arrested. God, I love Mexico. Same. ⁓ it was a lot. ⁓ I'm not gonna dive into these people because it's gonna confuse everyone. There's information out there if you're really, really that excited about it. But they're not key players to Mark's story. So they're not. But now we need to tell you about one of the biggest recruits he had. Okay. Sarah. Aldrate. Now earlier guys, you guys didn't get to hear this because we cut it out. I left it out I clicked a little bit and it hit me that she showed me pictures earlier and there was a female and I was like holy shit, is that little Miss Tan Lines herself? Let me let me tell you about little Miss Sarah, okay? She is also known as La Madrina or the Godmother Sarah was Cad ⁓ Costanzo's most devoted follower and second in command. Now this woman, this specific woman, kind of fascinates me because she has a double life. She was an honor student, she was a cheerleader, and a college student in Texas studying physical education. But behind the scenes, investigators believed she was helping allure people into the cult. Sound familiar? I was correct. So when I was saying separated intentionally, or not, ⁓ my god, I have to tie my shoe. ⁓ my god, it hurts. I had to stop for a second. ⁓ so I'm gonna tell you right now, it's all speculation. There is no connecting evidence that it like the guys didn't say, Yes, she was missed handlines. Yes, this was her. She learned her in, learned Mark N. The investigators are saying that she very specifically got. other people to come and join the cult. Because they can't necessarily confirm that it was her that night because we don't have pictures, we don't have video, and they went to four Miss Tan Line competitions in four straight days. So they're all gonna start running together. ⁓ So I will say though, some former members of the cult claimed people fear feared her as much as they feared Costanzo. Let me guess, she played the sweet innocent act, didn't she? ⁓ I'll tell you that in a little bit. They still haven't fucking found him though. Okay. ⁓ Yeah, we still have not found Adolfo. So at one point the police literally consulted witchcraft practic practitioners to help them track him down. What? Well, ⁓ thankfully, ⁓ because of these witchcraft practitioners, I don't know how, but tracked him down to an in Mexico ⁓ on May 6th, the police surrounded the building and proceeded to raid the apartment. Unfortunately. ⁓ The police were fucking idiots and a black car pulled up and the cops just walked right up to it and Costanza literally saw it through the window and instead of, you know, like surrendering surrendering like a normal person, he fucking open fired on them. So did they catch him? well, I mean, he thought he was in an action movie. And after nearly an hour of being surrounded by police, ⁓ Costanzo ordered one of his followers to kill him rather than let authorities capture him alive. ⁓ actually he pulled one of his other followers into like a hug. His name was Martin, ⁓ where a different follower named Alvaro shot Both of them with a machine gun. Which honestly tracks because you know, cult leaders always think that they're invincible until consequences show up. I just enjoy how much of a pussy he was that he couldn't do it himself. Pretty much. And had to take somebody else out with him. ⁓ the other guy was cool with it. The other guy wanted to be. Because they were besties. No, I don't care how much I'm besties with somebody. I'm not getting into a hug with a machine gun in my back. Yep. Love you, but nope. Mm-hmm. So Sarah, ⁓ the guy who shot both of the dudes, ⁓ in a Bunch of others were also arrested at this time. ⁓ ⁓ multiple people who were arrested ⁓ convicted for murder, drug trafficking, and or j organized crime charges. Okay. ⁓ I'm gonna get into a couple of them just because they are ⁓ Okay. So ⁓ one of the followers was charged, ⁓ he was admitted to the hospital after being diagnosed with AIDS. Okay. ⁓ he said he was actually Costanzo's lover. Along with Sarah, ⁓ but she had no signs of the disease in her like immune system. So they were like, I d we don't know if we believe this guy. But he ended up dying on February eleventh of nineteen ninety. So a little less than a year later. Well, mm-hmm. We also need to go back to what they were doing to these people. The sodomizing, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ back A little bit on June second of nineteen eighty nine, a police chief of the federal judicial judicial police in Mexico was indicted for drug trafficking and was also linked to Adolfo. ⁓ so so that that explains why we have like sixty people missing in like two and a half months and they're like, It's fine. Sarah's the one that turned him up. Interesting. ⁓ there were also a few other members that confirmed it, but the chief, of course, said, Well, I mean I was only involved in this for religious reasons. ⁓ he said he was possessed by spirits at a young age and Costanto was helping him out with that. ⁓ he was also not charged for anything. So just throwing that little tidbit in there, a little fun fact for you. Okay. August nineteen ninety, the guy who shot Costanzo and Martin ⁓ got charged with their murder and sentenced to thirty years. Right on. Yeah. Right on. Period. ⁓ two other members were also convicted of murder and sentenced to 35 years. The ranch caretaker ⁓ was also arrested and actually got accused of trying to pull the cover up but he was ultimately released in December of nineteen ninety after paying five hundred dollars for a bond. Interesting. Yum. Okay, don't love that, but Yeah. ⁓ May third of nineteen ninety three, Sarah was convicted of murder and sentenced to sixty two years in prison. Okay. Four other members, including Garcia, the driver, ⁓ were all convicted and sentenced to sixty seven years in prison. ⁓ combined the charges were as follows multiple homicides, possession of narcotics, involvement in organized crime, police impersonation, illegal body desecration, illegal possession of firearms, and illegal possession of weapons exclusive to Mexican armed forces. Forces. Okay. The drug the drug bitch. The judge said that Sarah received a lesser sentence because she was not charged with the use of weapons. I mean there was only a few years difference, so I have another fun fact for you. I love a fun fact. Mexico's judicial system does not have parole. No sh I didn't know that. I have no idea. However, they do allow their prisoners to file motions at an appeal court to reduce their sentences after being in for several years. Apparently it's pretty common for this to happen. ⁓ I also learned that Mexico does not have the death penalty or life sentences. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting that they don't have the death penalty. Yeah. Cause I feel like we'd be number one for firing squads. ⁓ hell yeah. ⁓ what? Yeah. That's crazy shit, right? I have no fucking idea. Well, I mean there are actually a lot of countries that think that having the death penalty or a life sentence without the possibility of parole is inhumane and that's why Europe has a lot of extradition issues. But That's impressive. I know. I don't know. Very interesting. ⁓ so then March twenty-seventh of nineteen ninety-eight, three of the members that were ⁓ char or sentenced to sixty-seven years ended up getting their sentences reduced to fifty years. Okay. ⁓ that also included the driver. As of two thousand nine, ⁓ I couldn't find anything after that. There were still two suspects that remained at large and are wanted for Mark's murder. Okay. Mm-hmm. Sarah actually ended up speaking to the press in two thousand three, of course denying having any part in Mark's death or the deaths of any of the other victims. She also said that there was a lot of famous people involved with Costanzo, and the police hit all of them. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. She said that she believes in God, but she was never going to ask for the public's forgiveness because she was innocent. ⁓ then about a year later after that press ⁓ talk, she ended up talking to them again and she said that she was tortured to confess to the crimes, saying that she was stripped naked, blindfolded, hung upside down where she was beaten, and had her toenails yanked. She claims that she had been beaten so badly that a doctor told her she would never be able to have children. She actually went on to publish an autobiography in the early 2000s where she detailed how she ended up meeting Costanzo, ⁓ how she was taken hostage by him, and ⁓ all of her version of what happened. Honey, you don't get to become a number two as a woman in a as a hostage cartel as a hostage, especially when we see what they've done to all the other hostages. And the fact that you were allowed to allegedly, supposedly, walk around and recruit. ⁓ and the fact that other members were equally as scared of her, if not more. I I'm gonna go with your full shit, honey. And we also have seen somebody else recently doing this very innocent walk in front of everybody. And we all know she was a massive recruiter. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Just saying. She did also claim that the police killed Costanzo during the raid instead of one of the members killing him. So whatever. but then after she released all this, a lot of the other members went on to claim that they were also tortured into confessing. Whatever. I'm sorry, the bodies were found ⁓ on the property with the stuff, and ⁓ there's a really big assumption that you are a recorder. I'm we're not taking leaps and bounds to get here. Correct. And however, you know what, Mexico might not have the death penalty, but I support their interrogation tactics. Yes, yes, yes. So generally now is when I like to talk about our victim, Mark. I already kind of explained who he was. Everyone said the exact same thing about him. He was smart, he was athletic, he was just a genuine person. And everyone saw that. Everyone believed that. I I believe No, I love everything everything about this and my my my 80s frat douche jokes are just it's a joke. It just it's very like from a snapshot of Tyne and you know how you just have those like difficult but no. Him and his friend group, they seem genuine and real. They were good kids, they were having a good time and they're really responsible about it. Like I can't tell you how many like things we hear about how irresponsible people are being like you're so dumb. Like this should not have happened to him. They did everything they were supposed to be doing. Yeah. Like they stuck together. They didn't like you know what I mean? Like they knew where they're they probably also had a meeting, like, hey if we get separated, we'll we'll find each other at the car. Yes. 'Cause this is well before cell phones. Yeah. And You know, you can get a time from anybody. They probably all had watches on back then. So I'm just saying that like they probably had their safety meetup plans, especially because they were calling home every single night. They were keeping their family in the loop. They weren't just like, ⁓ we're going into Mexico and it's fine, not at all. Like they were aware that they were in another country. They were aware of what they were doing. You know? Absolutely. ⁓ so I do want to give a lot of credit really quick to Mark's parents, Jim and Helen. I'm going to explain why in a second. ⁓ but I just wanna say like they they were sh his whole family. ⁓ my goodness. I can't believe like it is it's absolutely insane how much they were able to get done and taken seriously and quickly But they ⁓ like I've I know what happened with that case and like the fact that this family got what they got in eighty nine. I think she was early two thousands, like nineties. ⁓ It's insane. ⁓ Let's talk the legacy that came from Mark. I would love to. Okay. So two months after Mark's death was confirmed, his parents created the Mark Kilroy Foundation to honor his memory and continue his dream of helping others. The foundation focuses on drug awareness, education, and prevention through programs connected to the Just Say No campaign. No shit. Yep. Since nineteen ninety-four, ⁓ the Just Say No campaign has partnered with Safe. which is substance abuse free environment, local schools, governments, businesses, and donors to provide year-round programs for students in Santa Fe and Hitchcock. Counselors regularly visit schools to educate around 800 students each year. And during the summer, the foundation offers free activities like fishing, swimming, golf, tennis, and archery serving hundreds of children annually. We literally grew up with safe in schools with us. And the just say no. And the just say no. That's literally from elementary school on. We had that. That was what we had before dare. I had no idea that that's where this came from. It was because of Mark. And it's crazy because he wasn't even doing anything with drugs. He wasn't on drugs, he wasn't selling them, he was not a part of it. It's just that wow. Yeah. That's where that comes from. Yeah. That's crazy. I that's wild, right? I had no idea. No idea. No idea. So Jim end up ⁓ did tell the press that him and Helen were not angry with the killers and that he hopes they go to heaven and see their son so they can apologize to him. ⁓ at the time they did end up meeting with President George H. W. Bush and after the meeting ⁓ the president asked citizens what he could do to improve the country. So honestly, I can't like imagine the strength it took for the Kilroy's to go through this. Like, especially with how random it was. It was literally random. Random. This was probably like we've had some random ones, but this is like probably one of the most random, wrong place, wrong time, absolutely. Just what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know. I I I feel like they were truly one of the blessed like obviously it's a terrible situation, but they were blessed that they were able to find him and lay him to rest and know what happened. There's so many people. There's still three victims whose families have no idea. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. ⁓ So ⁓ Helen Kilroy ended up dying in twenty fourteen ⁓ from which is Lou Gehrig's disease, at the age of seventy. ⁓ his father, Jim, ended up dying in twenty twenty four, so not that long ago. This case is just devastating. It is. I mean, at least they they got closure while they were here. Yes. And they didn't have to wait for it when they saw him again. They're all together again. I will say I did not find any information on Keith. I was about ask about his brother, but honestly, after all of that, I I see him living a very private life. Yeah. I believe he is still the cause the foundation is still very up and running and I believe he is involved in it. But I don't think he wanted to But also that foundation is very I'm pretty sure that that was huge. His parents didn't really need to keep running that once the two thousands hit. But it was it's its own very large thing. I mean there's those are the commercials Do you remember with like the the person melted into the couch about not smoking marijuana? That's the safe. That is what those commercials were. Like those were the best commercials, by the way. This is your brain. This is your brain on marijuana. ⁓ I thought it was just on drugs. They would change it. ⁓ Psh. Yeah. Or like the one where it's like, she's just like melted into the couch and it's like, is this what you want to look like? And I'm like, well, that kinda looks like funny. She's always been like that. Since she tried marijuana. Yeah, it was so great. Those commercials are amazing. But we they have a website. They still have a website. It's still very active. So we are going to link it in our show notes. We'll add it to our resources. Yes. ⁓ just like you we did with the Love is Greater Than Hate foundations. Yes. Absolutely. We are finding where so many of these foundations and things started through episodes that we didn't even know it was connected to until we are in the episode researching it. Pretty much. It's crazy. Crazy shit. Crazy, crazy shit. so I think one of the biggest parts of how de why it's so devastating is not how he died. Obviously how he died was horrid, but it's just how random it was. Like just for the fact that thousands, tens of thousands of students crossed the border during spring break. And he was like the only one taken. Yeah, and Mark just happened to run into the wrong people. I'm glad that this is a baby cult. I'm glad this got stopped at baby cult, baby cartel entry level because if he gotten access to these bigger cartels, this would have been wild. But also, he was a little crazy crazy for this to get into bigger cartels because somewhere in there someone's not gonna be riding with this anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy shit. This was this was wild. That is for sure. Yeah, this I at no point did I see half of this coming. Yeah. Yes. ⁓ so now we need to know we got justice, man. I personally genuinely believe we got justice. I do as well. We have a foundation, ⁓ his legacy is being carried on. We got every I mean we have a lot of arrests. We have Adolfo is dead. ⁓ Lots of people still in jail. Allegedly Lil Miss Tain Lines. Taken care of in this kind of, we don't really know. I just in my brain it makes it happy that that's tied up with a bill right there. Yes. ⁓ I think we got justice. I believe we got justice as well. Like genuinely it's just in this one, yes. Yes. Especially with how much this foundation has really done for our country. Yes. Crazy. Crazy for sure. I really don't have questions for the jury at this point. I mean, like, have you guys heard of this case before? ⁓ did you know this is where the foundation started from? Like there again, there was so much information for this case, but I was not about to try to lay all that out because we would confuse everyone. I was confused reading half of it. Do you think Lomas Tanline and Sarah are the same person? That's a good question. But that's what we got for you. ⁓ I liked this one. It was absolutely a senseless and tragic loss, but it has led to so much good in our Yeah, at no point did I know where this episode was going at one time. No. None. No, no, no. So yeah, no, that Interesting shit. I see how you went from nine to fifteen pages overnight. Yeah. And I left out a lot. I left out a lot. I'm in a documentary on this. Is there any documentaries? There is. ⁓ there's a few documentaries out there. There were some books that were written, tons of podcasts on this. ⁓ I'm definitely gonna have to go watch a documentary on this. ⁓ But ⁓ that was our episode for today. It was rough, but it wasn't as rough as the past couple weeks. Yeah, we're sorry about that. We will try to not do children episodes here for a minute. ⁓ we're sorry about that. But I had to do mine. Same. Yeah. Same. We got through it though. We got through it together. We did. And here we are. I'm sorry for everyone who messaged me saying you ruined my fucking day. I'm aware. I ruined a longer time than. ⁓ my sister Snapchat and just crying. Yeah, she Yeah, straight up crying. 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